Hi! I am new here, joined few minutes ago. I am trying to understand how those roulette computers works. I saw this tutorial on your page how to make one:
roulette-computers.com/how-to-make/
I was thinking about it, because i can't afford a device like that anyway, and the shipping because it could be high(If i ever will be able to buy a device like that, i would not like if something broke when they ship it). I don't know if it's even worth playing roulette, i was thinking more about black jack, because there you don't need devices.
So after thinking about it, i get few questions.
-1. How could we get the accurate timing for the last revolution? How that system works? Do we input multiple revolutions, and get the average? Human's reaction time average is around 250ms, so it means the input could be even +/- 250ms. That's a big difference.
-2. If we use the uber version, do we know the exact number of revolutions, and the drop point? It's even possible to calculate the exact number of revolutions?
-3. How to map the ball deceleration? Is it constant (at least at some moment, i am not talking about dirt or dust)?
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Reaction time is irrelevant. You are not clicking after an unexpected event.
How the uber version works is not disclosed.
There are many algorithms. A simple algorithms is a few lines of code, but it wont deal with things like ball deceleration rate changes. Modelling ball deceleration rate is probably the most complicated part.
Can we use ur compi in well known casino? If not where does ur compi work legally
Computers are legal in about half of casinos. I know because as a requirement for anyone to join my teams, they must provide written legal advice from within their chosen jurisdiction.
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Quote from: Madi on Sep 16, 10:22 PM 2018
Name one or two with their country name
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Madi, I could even show you written advice from lawyers, but I wont. I'm not going to disclose where we play. But I'll tell you two places its legal and we don't play though: Finland and Sweden. There are far more legal places available than we have time to focus on. We don't break laws, despite the encouragement from partners to do so, and knowing we could easily get away with it. But assuming they become widely illegal, its not particularly going to bother me. I'm almost retired from roulette - Ive been discussing it with my partners for some time. Could be weeks, but more likely 6 or so months. 20+ years of play is enough. I have many other business interests.
And yes, gaming law is state-by-state, not usually national. So it can be legal in one state, but not another state - within the same country. There are at least 3 legal states in the USA. But we don't play there either.
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Madi,
Have you looked into slots? Maybe you could try and exploit the trot on slot machines?
Broken wheel detected general.
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 15, 09:45 PM 2018How could we get the accurate timing for the last revolution? How that system works? Do we input multiple revolutions, and get the average? Human's reaction time average is around 250ms, so it means the input could be even +/- 250ms. That's a big difference.
No, such what you wrote is reaction time to something unexpected - say lamp was turned off and turn on.
With the ball, all are slightly different here human see and he is ready for some reaction when will come time. So when we measure ball speed our reaction time is +/-25 ms and after some special training, we can reach even better.
Of course, that depends on the person - are some who have problems to have accuracy +/-80ms or even more...
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 15, 09:45 PM 2018How to map the ball deceleration? Is it constant (at least at some moment, i am not talking about dirt or dust)?
About what you not talk is maybe main part :)
If ball track will be ideally clean - deceleration is such as we see in all spins, but dust makes it be random. And that is one of main reasons why after 1000ms ball rotation next one time can be 1150 but next 1200...
Of course are also types of throw, but that is like other storry - that we can at least heard or notice, with dust/wet is real problems.
Can i talk how i am trying to do it, and if it's correct, or i get banned, because the owner is a seller of them?
I don't wanna sell the devices, i just wanna make one for my self, and see if it will be work. Btw i am making a software, not a device, for online stuff, so i think we will not be enemies. PS. I am not from USA, my english is not 100% as you can see.
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 17, 11:48 AM 2018or i get banned, because the owner is a seller of them?
Ok, be calm usually the owner, not much interest in the new poster.
But you always are welcome - all can have nice minds :). But we must hear them :)
Quote from: Steve on Sep 16, 10:35 PM 2018
Madi, I could even show you written advice from lawyers, but I wont. I'm not going to disclose where we play. But I'll tell you two places its legal and we don't play though: Finland and Sweden. There are far more legal places available than we have time to focus on. We don't break laws, despite the encouragement from partners to do so, and knowing we could easily get away with it. But assuming they become widely illegal, its not particularly going to bother me. I'm almost retired from roulette - Ive been discussing it with my partners for some time. Could be weeks, but more likely 6 or so months. 20+ years of play is enough. I have many other business interests.
Steve, MPR is going bonkers - duplicate numbers, freezing, and then giving multiple results at once - so I've been only paper testing and nothing else. I also lost my password for the primary acct cause I inadvertently changed it by typing in another password with the aid of Lastpass chrome extension because I got locked out by your program/server trying to get back in, another malfunction of MPR.
Can you get my acct back. I don't want you to think I am switching accts after my lackluster start. Just a tad frustrating, if MPR won't cooperate with you even though it always had a bug sometime or another.
And pertaining to the above. This is the perfect time for you to transition from computers and I'm only a few years younger than you and we're both relatively young. I really don't see the reason why I'm being kind of ignored when I've been the one you've been searching for quite a long time a la your earlier posts about transitioning from computers to precognition, etc. On top of all this, it's tangible. Quote from: Steve on Sep 16, 10:35 PM 2018There's a whole other world of professionals in the gaming industry that take the facts for granted. They find it bemusing how most players really have no clues. But hey, why look a gift horse in the mouth.. the clueless gamblers pay the bills. It's their money to lose.
If i wanted a busy forum full of shit, i would shut up. But I prefer to be honest and direct, even if it pisses a few people off. Real men or mature adults don't get pissed off by information that conflicts with their beliefs. They check facts for themselves and progress.
I'm hoping you mean that because we are going to discuss things in the near future.
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 17, 11:48 AM 2018Can i talk how i am trying to do it, and if it's correct
The basic algorithms are explained on my site, but you'll have to write the code yourself. I only reveal the basics.
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 17, 11:48 AM 2018i get banned, because the owner is a seller of them?
You can sell it here if you want, but it needs to be in the sale section of the forum and adhere to the same rules for system sales. If you were to become a competitor, it's not me you need to worry about. There are two other sellers who will stalk, harass and lie about you, if your technology is clearly better (that's how they compete). However, another seller, like me, who has a brain and isnt a dick (Jafco) will not care about "competitors". I do sell technology, but I developed it primarily for me own use - in particular the Uber and Hybrid versions. Casinos are my competitors. The lite and basic versions were intended only as basic devices - they're cheaper and more like computers you can buy from other vendors, but they have serious limitations. For a comparison, see :.roulette-computers.com/comparison.htm
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 17, 11:48 AM 2018i just wanna make one for my self, and see if it will be work
If you just want to test, try my free computer at :.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/ which has the same algorithms and much the same accuracy as my Lite version computer.
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 17, 11:48 AM 2018Btw i am making a software, not a device, for online stuff, so i think we will not be enemies.
Enemies? No. Every business has others selling something similar anyway. But this industry has a few nuts.
Moxy: I'll respond to your post on the appropriate thread.
And Moxy,
QuoteReal men or mature adults don't get pissed off by information that conflicts with their beliefs. They check facts for themselves and progress.
Yeah I meant it. And I also know what I'm talking about. If something is incorrect or has holes, I'll let you know about it. I tend not to sugarcoat.
But if it's me who is wrong, then Ill proudly admit it because I pride myself on having the balls to admit being wrong. It's the only way to progress understanding.
Anyway dont discuss it here - its not a relevant thread.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 17, 11:21 PM 2018
And Moxy,
Yeah I meant it. And I also know what I'm talking about. If something is incorrect or has holes, I'll let you know about it. I tend not to sugarcoat.
But if it's me who is wrong, then Ill proudly admit it because I pride myself on having the balls to admit being wrong. It's the only way to progress understanding.
Anyway dont discuss it here - its not a relevant thread.
Of course. I meant just us two in a more personal manner if/when we eventually meet up.
@Bebediktus3
I am trying to build a software for live roulette online, so few questions for somebody who can "guess" the correct way of doing it:
-How to model in correct way the deceleration of the ball?
--What i am gonna do, i take multiple timings of revolutions, and by the average i model the deceleration for 1ms. So over let's say 500 revolutions of different spins, and taken at different speed, i put there let's say deceleration value for 1 ms is equal -0,080 speed per one millisecond.
-What speed should be used for the initial speed of the ball when the prediction process starts?
--When i take the timing of the revolutions, i take the average speed of the last two, so if it's 750ms, 800ms, then i set 775.
Those two for now.
Really not sure in good understanding your question
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 17, 11:53 PM 2018-How to model in correct way the deceleration of the ball?
--What i am gonna do, i take multiple timings of revolutions, and by the average i model the deceleration for 1ms. So over let's say 500 revolutions of different spins, and taken at different speed, i put there let's say deceleration value for 1 ms is equal -0,080 speed per one millisecond.
Are many ways how to describe ball moving and I think nobody knows where is that "best". What you write here I do not understand ball deceleration are not stable value - it always changes. Every program creator describe ball movement how he thinks is better, but that not means that is "best".
And that are technical things, but I hardly believe that somebody will say you in the forum, on what he worked maybe several years.
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 17, 11:53 PM 2018When i take the timing of the revolutions, i take the average speed of the last two, so if it's 750ms, 800ms, then I set 775.
Last two usually are not enough - clocking errors will do its job and quality of predictions will be pure...
If anybody wanna talk about that, i have discord, or just message me. I wanna get some tips.
Quote from: Pontoon21 on Sep 23, 04:02 AM 2018If anybody wanna talk about that, i have discord, or just message me. I wanna get some tips.
can you elaborate more?
what are you trying to achieve? do you have programming skills ?
Pontoon, start by learning visual ballistics. Then a basic roulette computer can literally be a few lines of code.
Creating a computer to beat modern wheels is quite different. You need proper understanding of the physics, and suitable algorithms. There are a lot of other challenges to deal with. It's like a formula. If one part is wrong, you can end up avoiding the winning number.
@Roulettebeater Yes, i have acceptable skills. I don't get how to model the initial speed in the most accurate way, and how to model the deceleration in the most accurate way. I asked too if we need to know the exact number of revolutions, before the ball will land, or it can be around +/- 1? I already did a system, but i don't know if i have any edge, seems to work a little, but i want something more. I am testing it on a hard wheel with around 18 diamonds, and fast timings input.
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There are much better games. I just wanna take the challenge.
I ask again, because it's very important question for me, do i need to know the exact number of revolutions, before the ball will land, or it could be +/- one?
Do i need to know where exactly the ball will go out of the track (I mean, the exact position of the wheel), or it can be +/- 120 degrees?