Ho! this seems to be too good to be true? You tell me....? :o :ooh:
BET Every LINE (doublestreet) that hits, Until 4 Lines are bet.(No change of bets IF the Lines hit, before 4 lines bet!) NOW when 4 Lines bet, start progression/ DoubleUp for *Each loss*, until reaced a new high(No change of bet, when hit)... (Normally you reach a new high after 2-3 hits in a row) Then Stop/Restart game..(Begin anew bet 1 single Line etc..)
Test 1. (5u bets, Random spins)
It looks like the 6x6 system of hermes
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Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 27, 10:05 AM 2018
A: poor IGNATUS can't handle the fact that after 7 years of posting a new method daily on every single roulette forum on the Internet he still hasn't realised that however many times you rehash if X then do Y followed by a lengthy negative progression is never going to work.
Your "systems" are the perfect, literal examples of pieces of sh!t.
These are the absolute worst roulette ideas ever conceived by the hands of man.
Well? why bother even replying to you? You haven't even tested it. so? stfu? :/ You are reported to moderator.
I hate having to deal with Dunning-Kruger sufferers.
If you didn't have the intelligence of a gnats armpit then you would realise there is absolutely no need whatsoever to test it.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 27, 10:28 AM 2018
I hate having to deal with Dunning-Kruger sufferers.
If you didn't have the intelligence of a gnats armpit then you would realise there is absolutely no need whatsoever to test it.
As i said, until you have tested it, stfu? thank you :/
Test 2. (25u bets, Random spins)
When you start the progression with the 4 double streets bet i think the progression can get really high. Not for me.
But is still love your systems ignatus!
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 27, 10:05 AM 2018
A: poor IGNATUS can't handle the fact that after 7 years of posting a new method daily on every single roulette forum on the Internet he still hasn't realised that however many times you rehash if X then do Y followed by a lengthy negative progression is never going to work.
Your "systems" are the perfect, literal examples of pieces of sh!t.
These are the absolute worst roulette ideas ever conceived by the hands of man.
Awesome. And your system is?
Don't criticize without offering something. Too easy to do.
You can take a dump on someone, that's fine, if you choose to live your life that way that's up to you. But offer something in return, show the path towards the light instead of just playing the very tired and cliche "I live in mom's basement and I'm mad about how my life turned out" routine... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 27, 10:05 AM 2018
A: poor IGNATUS can't handle the fact that after 7 years of posting a new method daily on every single roulette forum on the Internet he still hasn't realised that however many times you rehash if X then do Y followed by a lengthy negative progression is never going to work.
Your "systems" are the perfect, literal examples of pieces of sh!t.
These are the absolute worst roulette ideas ever conceived by the hands of man.
It’s apparent this person is looking for attention. so its best not to give it
But, this seems like someone who is upset they are a virgin and is taking it out on ignatus lol
You can pay a prostitute ya know
Ignore him ..love reading your systems ..keep it up ..forum would not be the same if you stopped ..you are one of the main driving forces still left on here ..
Test 3. (25u bets, Random spins)
Well, thank you all for your support, but i guess i rather would need more people acually TESTING this...and then we can talk about the results?...hm :question:
Now, about the progression, from my testings i haven't gone beyond "dubbling up" 5 times? and that it's not the end of the world , with a normal BR/MM?....
I'd say? it works, very well? For being a 24 numbers(progressive) bet? It's the best so far? (atleast that i've played/invented?) hm..?
Hi, any more testing?
If you bet 1 line, miss, then 2 lines, hit, we are at a new high. Do you reset, or continue until you are betting 4 lines?
Also, have you come to any conclusions regarding Target / Stoploss?
Quote from: daveylibra on Sep 28, 06:14 AM 2018
Hi, any more testing?
If you bet 1 line, miss, then 2 lines, hit, we are at a new high. Do you reset, or continue until you are betting 4 lines?
Also, have you come to any conclusions regarding Target / Stoploss?
hi davey, you don't stop. point is, with this one, to continue bet, (even if you win before 4 lines bet) ...
About BR ? not sure yet, but a pretty low BR/SL would work fine, i believe? (but i will continue test)... as i said before, i haven't gone beyond doubling 5 times, so far,....
Example gameplay; link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/be3e81ae4d2ba27de3604385a3d41f56 (link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/be3e81ae4d2ba27de3604385a3d41f56)
Hi Ignatus!
This is Fantastic! :)
Ignatuas - feedback brother! ;)
- Stop losses & MM skills def needed with this one as it tanks - starting off with 100 - I reached 800 each on the 4 spread - * if you are proficient then when the bets do get larger you will feel and know whether to pull out or stay the course
- when it does go south, possibly look at a higher entry point/bet and subsequent bets - *this ones good for strategically hitting 5-10- 30% of bank roll and walking (all perspective with your BR size)
Ignore 'let me win' he must have been having an off day
-*plenty on here enjoy your contributions - yeah good on 'Mako' - very learned response that :thumbsup:
- on the flip side Ignatus
- *extrapolate (look outside the circle) - perhaps 'let me win' was giving you something worthwhile *take another look
- when they shut you out - often they also give you a way in - there is always something great in moments as such
:)
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Sep 29, 09:20 AM 2018
Ignatuas - feedback brother! ;)
- Stop losses & MM skills def needed with this one as it tanks - starting off with 100 - I reached 800 each on the 4 spread - * if you are proficient then when the bets do get larger you will feel and know whether to pull out or stay the course
- when it does go south, possibly look at a higher entry point/bet and subsequent bets - *this ones good for strategically hitting 5-10- 30% of bank roll and walking (all perspective with your BR size)
Ignore 'let me win' he must have been having an off day
-*plenty on here enjoy your contributions - yeah good on 'Mako' - very learned response that :thumbsup:
- on the flip side Ignatus
- *extrapolate (look outside the circle) - perhaps 'let me win' was giving you something worthwhile *take another look
- when they shut you out - often they also give you a way in - there is always something great in moments as such
Nice Katalyst, I haven't gotten to testing this yet, looking forward to it.
I'm still doing runs of Iggy's "Triple X" from a couple weeks ago, which actually is quite impressive in how well it works (low variance due to it being a 3 number bet basically, you can dance between the raindrops for a long time before losing).
Regardless, these types of systems all stimulate thoughts about the game by those who test or goof around with them, it doesn't matter if they perform or not...and that's the point. Good work Ignatus. :thumbsup:
When?
Any update here or have we already moved on
What most members need is a user friendly version of rx to more easily automatically test systems. Rx requires you to learn its language which is beyond most users
Quote from: Steve on Oct 10, 08:50 AM 2018
What most members need is a user friendly version of rx to more easily automatically test systems. Rx requires you to learn its language which is beyond most users
Most my systems are very easy to code, "IF A hits bet B" etc, problems arise when some kind of memory of bets are required, (i haven't learned that yet)...but coding RX is not that diffucult, i'd say..
Ignatus, but most of the systems you create aren't coded? Normally you say something like "still testing" or "doing great so far...", which I guess means the system isn't coded otherwise you wouldn't bother to post the system rules at all. No point in posting a system and then saying "it doesn't work" ;D And if it did work you probably wouldn't post it either. ;-).
Quote from: Steve on Oct 10, 08:50 AM 2018
What most members need is a user friendly version of rx to more easily automatically test systems. Rx requires you to learn its language which is beyond most users
Ya, I thought of coding an app which gives you a bunch of checkboxes and radio buttons, fields etc etc so that a user could put together system rules without having to do any coding. It wouldn't be too hard to do but you would still be quite limited in the kinds of systems you could create. Only a programming language gives you the ultimate flexibility.
I’ve used rx before
I just stopped using it
Not too hard to use
Just intimidating for non technical people
Joe, you could easily make a user friendly one and sell it for a $20 a download lol.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 10, 12:00 PM 2018
Ya, I thought of coding an app which gives you a bunch of checkboxes and radio buttons, fields etc etc so that a user could put together system rules without having to do any coding. It wouldn't be too hard to do but you would still be quite limited in the kinds of systems you could create. Only a programming language gives you the ultimate flexibility.
It sounds like a noble venture. It probably would benefit many of the newer guys, but what you'll inevitably run into is that some of the older system players will insist that your program has a bug in it because their system doesn't win when they test it. Steve encounters this on the MPR on a regular basis.
Quote from: The General on Oct 11, 11:49 AM 2018Steve encounters this on the MPR on a regular basis.
Real casinos are especially buggy. Or they must use magnets. It happened to me in the early days. I was walking back to the cashier with winnings from my dozens system. Then I saw a long streaks of reds on another table. I of course had to bet black. But nope, red again. The same happened for a few more spins and I lost all my winnings.
And when I had no money left, black won.
So there, conclusive proof the casino cheats. That's the real reason they have cameras. They're watching and ready to press the magnet buttons.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 06:38 PM 2018
Real casinos are especially buggy. Or they must use magnets. It happened to me in the early days. I was walking back to the cashier with winnings from my dozens system. Then I saw a long streaks of reds on another table. I of course had to bet black. But nope, red again. The same happened for a few more spins and I lost all my winnings.
And when I had no money left, black won.
So there, conclusive proof the casino cheats. That's the real reason they have cameras. They're watching and ready to press the magnet buttons.
Can you provide proof this has never happened ?
I'm sure it has happened. But I seriously doubt in a properly regulated and legal casino - the casino owner would risk massive fines and other serious consequences. The casino already has the edge. They don't need to cheat further.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 10:34 PM 2018
I'm sure it has happened. But I seriously doubt in a properly regulated and legal casino - the casino owner would risk massive fines and other serious consequences. The casino already has the edge. They don't need to cheat further.
Banning legitimate players that win regularly is cheating
I can't see why they won't cheat in a corrupt environment
Ok technically having the house edge is not "cheating". It is their advantage, but it's the player's fault if they dont understand the payouts are short.
The technical definition of "cheating" has an element of being unlawful. Casinos are usually private property, so they can kick you out or ban you for any reason. When the casino is run by the government, usually they cant kick you out unless you're breaking the law (for example, South Africa).
I've dealt a lot with legalities with the roulette computers. In some places, computers are legal and not "cheating". But in other places it is clearly "illegal" and "cheating".
The bottom line is in any casino, if the casino notice you're winning a bit too much, or your behavior is suspicious, one way or another they wont let it continue. So again avoiding detection is very important.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 10:50 PM 2018
The bottom line is in any casino, if the casino notice you're winning a bit too much, or your behavior is suspicious, one way or another they wont let it continue. So again avoiding detection is very important.
If the casino has the house edge, they will eventually get back their temporary losses
For a player who wins regularly yet do not violate any house rules, the ban clearly contradicts first para
My point is to highlight this contradiction
This widely used HE assumption is not accurate
The proof is in the terms and condition and the application thereof
Hello mate!
can you explain this from mathematical and propability side for me like no roulette player?! I want to test your roulette things in another place!
"BET Every LINE (doublestreet) that hits, Until 4 Lines are bet.(No change of bets IF the Lines hit, before 4 lines bet!) NOW when 4 Lines bet, start progression/ DoubleUp for *Each loss*, until reaced a new high(No change of bet, when hit)... (Normally you reach a new high after 2-3 hits in a row) Then Stop/Restart game..(Begin anew bet 1 single Line etc..)"
so street is 1-11payout that means is 8.25% to win, so you betting on doublestreet that means you betting with 16.5% on win, can you tell further?!
maybe there is possibility that we can "chat" somewhere else like skype or something?! :)
BTW, I can test for you, many of your strategy's in longrun, if you will moderate and try to explain for me in another format, from percentage sides, and what you doing/waiting/increasing/downcreasing when :)
thanks, waiting for answer.
Hi :) i can't explain the maths or probability, :s..
But as with all or (most) my old/new systems, you need to find the perfect progression, for this one, i got the suggestion to use a positive progression, (haven't tried that) but perhaps you can if you want,
Furthermore most/all my strategies are not long-term winners, (it's Hit'n Run) so it's much about monemanegement, so make it profitable-- That IS to find a good Bankroll/Stoploss/Wingoal etc...
So that's pretty much what i know? You must try to find the best -progression and moneymanegement- to make it work/make it profitable.
Cheers
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 23, 05:37 AM 2018
Hi :) i can't explain the maths or probability, :s..
But as with all or (most) my old/new systems, you need to find the perfect progression, for this one, i got the suggestion to use a positive progression, (haven't tried that) but perhaps you can if you want,
Furthermore most/all my strategies are not long-term winners, (it's Hit'n Run) so it's much about monemanegement, so make it profitable-- That IS to find a good Bankroll/Stoploss/Wingoal etc...
So that's pretty much what i know? You must try to find the best -progression and moneymanegement- to make it work/make it profitable.
Cheers
ofc I understand all what you saying about BRM, etc. thats what Im searching and trying to find.
but if your strategys are only for hit n run, so where is sense to play? okey, hit n run, but if your hit n run, dont work more than 51% of time, there is non sense to play at all! simple need to configure it, for that "profit per period" covers "loss per periods/sessions" from mathematical and propability side(i can help you with that) I understand how rng are working, he have limits for any deviation from "normal" for every winning chance.
im searching strategy, betting etc, who can survive even 52% of time(sessions) and even with 1 000 000 unit bankroll.
you are interested and have time(time after time) to chat with me, somewhere private place?!
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 23, 06:03 AM 2018but if your strategys are only for hit n run, so where is sense to play? okey, hit n run, but if your hit n run, dont work more than 51% of time
Not true? most my systems old/new, with a proper mm/progression has a winrate around 70%, The "best one", i had 88% winrate, (That is, short term, with a set wingoal/stoploss) that was "Dragon's Treasure" played with +1/-1 progression etc, ..well? you have to test and find what you like,
im sorry i don't have time to talk private, if you have more questions, you can post in the threads , furthermore i don't know much more than i have already said? :S
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 23, 07:08 AM 2018
Not true? most my systems old/new, with a proper mm/progression has a winrate around 70%, The "best one", i had 88% winrate, (That is, short term, with a set wingoal/stoploss) that was "Dragon's Treasure" played with +1/-1 progression etc, ..well? you have to test and find what you like,
im sorry i don't have time to talk private, if you have more questions, you can post in the threads , furthermore i don't know much more than i have already said? :S
so okey, here:
dragon treasure is play with 8 splits it means split is 17-1 payout(like 18x 17 win and 1 initial bet it means 5.5% to win) you play 8 splits, it means 5.5% x 8 = 44% winning percentage for your game. till there OK.
but here start to confusing - "Procedure: BET the 2 unhit splits within ALL 4 Doublestreets within Dozen 1 and 3. As any Split hit, you re-bet the 2 unhit splits within that particular Doublestreet hit," there I dont understand you are betting on 2 splits, or 8 splits in general? and now you saying something about doublstreet, what is like street is 11-1 payout it means(12x +11 and initial bet) its 8.25% x 2 = 16,5%
so your base game in this dragon streasure is: 4x doublestreet (16,5% x 4 = 66%) or 8 splits (44%)?
maybe you have can advice simple another one of your many systems what have "monotone type game" what in your theory had minimum 60% winrate in longrun, with some kind of given betting progression, i can only wait "unhit" numbers.
i dont ask for unbeatable system for longrun, and what will never lose and "what are fighting to get every bet in profit or break even", but im searching for something, that can win like you said "6 of 10 games/sessions/periods(numbers of bets) that means you will win 60 000 000 of 100 000 000 bets.
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 23, 07:48 AM 2018but here start to confusing - "Procedure: BET the 2 unhit splits within ALL 4 Doublestreets within Dozen 1 and 3. As any Split hit, you re-bet the 2 unhit splits within that particular Doublestreet hit," there I dont understand you are betting on 2 splits, or 8 splits in general?
I the beginning it's a progressive bet? You bet each DS hit two unhit splits (within doz 1 and 3) until all 4 DS have been hit, then 8 splits bet (2 splits Bet with each DS).....As you have all 4 DS bet , as soon as 1 split hit, you simply re-bet that particular DS two unhit splits... and so on, very simple.
(If you have more questions, about DT, perhaps post in in the particular thread..)
Cheers
MAYBE, your strategy is something like simple betting on 66%(in roulette terms 4x doublestreet) and when other side numbers are not hitting some X bets, then you start to bet on other side 44%(8 splits) with your given betsize (progression) to cover every bet till break even point? and you letting max losing streak till something like 16 in row, till reset by new?
simple im very weak in this all roulette sleng term words... its for you, and other roulette peoples here all to understand is easy, for people who dont play roulette is not, sorry. :) it the same, like you will go to poker forum, and read there threads you will not understand they therminology and slengs ;)
Ignatus, gets this further. Looks good
Quote from: houseworx on Oct 23, 08:04 AM 2018simple im very weak in this all roulette sleng term words... its for you, and other roulette peoples here all to understand is easy, for people who dont play roulette is not, sorry. it the same, like you will go to poker forum, and read there threads you will not understand they therminology and slengs
It's simple. If the pill don't hit your repeaters, the dolly wont land on the felt you want, then you go back to the ATM = your system is crap.