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Title: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 08, 06:49 PM 2018
Unicorns aren't real, but the house edge is.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 08, 07:06 PM 2018
Mmmhh...
My shadow looks like a unicorn when I wake up then stand up in the morning.  Get it?

Too bad those sweet dreams weren't true.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 08, 07:14 PM 2018
Unicorns aren't real

But the fact no one is listening is real.

3 days without you posting and look whats happened. 10 old topics carry on with members discussing systems and methods.

Not 1 topics with new disciples all discussing AP.

What a waste of your time.

You go to a class to listen to a teacher or you buy a book and read it. When they knock on your door without asking they are a Jehova's Witness

Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 08, 07:25 PM 2018
There must very few AP players roaming on forums, maybe also in casinos.  They probably discuss one with another privately instead of openly discussing strategies.  Good tips aren't free, I guess.

It actually is entertaining  to read different topics and ideas, EVEN IF they don't change odds.  Guess some are less suicidal than others.

Back to title: some medieval paintings depicted strange creatures.  Did they exist?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: wiggy on Oct 08, 08:01 PM 2018
Unicorns aren't real!

But they make great ice-cream.  :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 08, 08:14 PM 2018
Wise words from a “pro”

There is a houses edge! Wow!

Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Taotie on Oct 08, 08:28 PM 2018
Unicorns aren't real, but the house edge is.

...and you're a real pain in the arse. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 08, 08:54 PM 2018
Unicorns aren't real, but the house edge is.

This unicorn is living on the edge:

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Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 08, 08:56 PM 2018
What are you going to do to overcome the house advantage?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 08, 09:03 PM 2018
Gonna find a wobbly wheel and play mental physics

I will then win due to luck and variance and call myself a pro
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: MoneyT101 on Oct 08, 11:16 PM 2018
What are you going to do to overcome the house advantage?
The forum takes 1 step forward and then 3 steps back. But to answer your question....

1.Win before the House has an edge
2. You can also end the session affected by the House edge and let it finish.  Then start again.

If your house edge Issue is only the uneven payout.  Then it’s not really a problem!

The actual problem is the fact that if you continue to play the losses pile up and build a hole for you.  So picking more winners or finding a way to make the losers not affect you is the real problem for a player.  NOT THE HOUSE EDGE!

I’m not claiming to be an expert; far from it.  This is just my personal opinion based on studying alternatives of how to beat this monster.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Taotie on Oct 09, 01:20 AM 2018
What are you going to do to overcome the house advantage?

I'm going to employ my Unicorn System.

The system works by using my own fantasy number stream then playing repeaters before they happen.

 I call it the unicorn trot gallop.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 01:57 AM 2018
Nobody should care about anyone's willful ignorance. For me the problem with bullshit is it misleads people who actually want to learn. And i particularly don't like blatant liars on my forum. I don't want to aid them. Id prefer truth to be known.

Let's face it. All forums are loaded with clueless people. Few members have solid knowledge.

Ultimately everyone is responsible for their own knowledge. Let willfully ignorant people stay that way. People who want to learn will learn.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 02:33 AM 2018
Steve
I think people wanted to listen to you at one point because you can put things in a constructive way but for all your insight and experience you made a big mistake endorsing a bitter, agenda ridden narcissist like Caleb
A proffessional troll.
He couldnt care less about anyone who hasnt got Proffesor or Dr.  infront of their name.
Hes comfy as f*** now he has been promoted. Firstime in his sad career in forums
You may keep him here because you agree with him but you are unfortunatly endorsing the whole package by doing so...which has clearly damaged peoples view of what you say.
I wish you saw that because I like you.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 03:51 AM 2018
Calebs approach is often poor. I explained why hes allowed. Basically the majority of discussions and systems are so incredibly incorrect, and ignorance is so rampant, that his presence, while annoying to many, is actually beneficial and productive. Thats how bad the knowledge on forums is.... someone widely considered a troll is beneficial.

Look at it this way.. sometimes people are so blind, you can't be nice and say "excuse me but flat earth arguments are dead wrong". At some point you need to slap them.

Where i don't agree with caleb is at some point you have to let people be ignorant. I too get carried away with it, but not to his level. Thats because the lack of basic knowledge drives me insane, like youve got to be kidding, the facts and verification are in your face.

People often perceive him incorrectly too. No doubt hes an ass sometimes. Keep in mind he doesn't start that way. He starts with basic facts, and gets attacked. Thats when he becomes an ass. Probably partly for ego, partly for gratification, partly to genuinely help.

The forum is like real life in the sense you'll find people you don't like. But you can just ignore them. If anyone is incapable of that, they'll find real life far more difficult.

And if he constantly butts in on discussions where he isn't wanted, let me know and i'll ask him to start his own thread, or irritated members to post in the system players forum.

I understand my decision is unpopular. But again in my judgment, if he maintains balanced behavior, he'll bring more good than bad. How he behaves at other forums is not my concern.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 09, 03:53 AM 2018
Ultimately everyone is responsible for their own knowledge. Let willfully ignorant people stay that way. People who want to learn will learn.
Summed up nicely
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 03:59 AM 2018
which has clearly damaged peoples view of what you say.

Anyone smart enough to consider the message alone and verifiable facts,  without personal opinions or emotions, would be unaffected.

All it takes is wanting the truth no matter what, and proper verification.

Not everyone feels the same way,  or is at the same stage of learning. I personally prefer truth no matter what. I refuse to lie to myself.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: MoneyT101 on Oct 09, 04:20 AM 2018
Want to know whats crazy?

In your arguments with TG, he never denied those facts you and caleb stand behind.

From your arguments with ppl that claim to have a different way of looking at roulette no one denied your facts.  They even tried to have a mathematical explanation with you and caleb about how nobody can prove roulette is not beatable.

Your facts are solid and they are true and no one is denying they exist.

The problem and the arguments happen because your not listening to the other side; which agree to your facts.

But

still believe they can win using methods based on facts that you're not aware of.

Anyone smart enough to consider the message alone and verifiable facts,  without personal opinions or emotions, would be unaffected.

All it takes is wanting the truth no matter what, and proper verification.

Not everyone feels the same way,  or is at the same stage of learning. I personally prefer truth no matter what. I refuse to lie to myself.

which person is smart enough?  the one that argues about facts and cant have an open mind or the one who found a way and shared clues and didnt ask for anything in return from anyone but still got attacked.

You only know, what you know.   It doesnt mean there isnt more you can learn or that your right.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Nimo on Oct 09, 04:25 AM 2018
Anyone smart enough to consider the message alone and verifiable facts,  without personal opinions or emotions, would be unaffected.

All it takes is wanting the truth no matter what, and proper verification.

Not everyone feels the same way,  or is at the same stage of learning. I personally prefer truth no matter what. I refuse to lie to myself.


This from someone who espouses all about the math on one side of his mouth while saying voodoo such as precognition can be viable with the other.  Where is the math there?  How can your customers take you seriously when you say bullshit like that?

At least Caleb is consistent with his message.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 04:47 AM 2018
Where is the math there? 

In well-done trials for which ive done personally in groups, and others have done. They are statistically relevant but not enough. And thats why my work on it continues.

Pioneering work is better than what we can mathematically prove doesn't work, isn't it nimo?

How can your customers take you seriously when you say bullshit like that?

If i was concerned about image, i wouldn't publicize my work on precognition. And if someone is so ignorant and close-minded to not research and consider credible evidence about something, that's not the type of person i want to deal with. You mistook me for someone who gives a shit. I put logic and fact far ahead of what people might think... without considering what might make extra money. I can afford to be true to what i believe.  And if i couldnt afford it, I'd rather be broke but with integrity.

It's the same reason i talk about conspiracies. Because it's fact. I wont shut my mouth just to please people. That won't change the truth, will it?

At least Caleb is consistent with his message.

I only appear inconsistent to someone who doesn't know better.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 09, 05:12 AM 2018
Your facts are solid and they are true and no one is denying they exist.
:thumbsup:
That's why I said earlier, read (fill in your name) post and we know his knowledge limit
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 09, 05:18 AM 2018
And if someone is so ignorant and close-minded to not research and consider credible evidence about something, that's not the type of person i want to deal with.
Say it to yourself
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 09, 05:33 AM 2018
Where is the math there?
Good question

If anyone(steve included) can find any math posted by steve on any forum, post the link below pls
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 06:36 AM 2018
MoneyT you missed a lot there.

In your arguments with TG, he never denied those facts you and caleb stand behind.

How could he? They were simple truths everyone could understand. To deny them would be suicide.

But when it came to other more complicated points.... he made obvious contradictions he couldnt explain. He even showed his own poor understanding. Few people understood the relevance. And when it came to testing his theories, outside clearly flawed games, they fell flat. All he could do is duck and weave with vague excuses and explanations. Again few had the knowledge to see through his charade.

I suggest carefully read what i said, and see his responses. Its all there.

The problem and the arguments happen because your not listening to the other side; which agree to your facts.

No, his points were understood. He was just incorrect. And when it was explained, he had nowhere left to go except vague nonsense like 2 comes after 1.... and oh i won on parx which is realistic, i lost on mpr because i didn't use my system there etc. Again it's all there for anyone to read.

which person is smart enough?  the one that argues about facts and cant have an open mind or the one who found a way and shared clues and didnt ask for anything in return from anyone but still got attacked.

It wasn't about having an open mind. Carefully read the start of the turbo thread. You see i had an open mind. I gave him ample time and an open mind. The problem was he was speaking shit. But it's clear few people properly understood it, and what caleb and i were saying.

When someone has a poor understanding of something, it's easy to accuse others of being a "naysayer" or if being close-minded when they do understand it.

You only know, what you know.   It doesnt mean there isnt more you can learn or that your right.

I agree. But you're not understanding what I'm saying. Turbos claims and logic was full of holes and contradictions. They were not being understood by many members, so they assumed caleb and i had the problem of being negative nancies.

It has all been explained before. Everyone is free to believe whatever.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 06:57 AM 2018
In all i waste a lot of time explaining things to people. It wastes my time. A narrow-sighted person would say it's to sell. If selling was my focus, I'd shut up, have a busier forum, get more traffic and more sales.

Taking hours to carefully explain things to perhaps 30 active readers? Its not a smart move for business.

I do it genuinely to help people. When i explain the matters, sales or money is not at all a consideration. At all.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 09, 07:01 AM 2018
Steve

Your „tired of losing system“ ad/pop up is disturbing the hell out of us.

Is there anyway to hide it permanently ?

Don’t ger angry, I wish you luck, though !
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 07:07 AM 2018
Just stay logged in and you never see it. Ill add something to say this.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Nimo on Oct 09, 07:12 AM 2018
If i was concerned about image, i wouldn't publicize my work on precognition.


So what you are saying is that you don't care about your image and that you don't have 100% faith in your own product that you are selling, so you are instead trying to become the real Henry Sugar. 
Do you see this future roulette computer customers?  He doesnt have 100% faith in his own product, he has to look elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 07:30 AM 2018
So what you are saying is that you don't care about your image

I care that people understand I'm honest. Smarter people know how to find out rather than believe lies. People understand that especially when they deal with me closely. Otherwise I don't give a f***. Is that clear enough for you?

and that you don't have 100% faith in your own product that you are selling

Never even remotely said that. Now you're being a dick.

I have more than enough faith in my technology to repeatedly demonstrate it publicly, and give it free for known neutral people to openly evaluate them - as I've done. My players use it almost daily. I watch from home. There's much more, but you're not interested in that. You just want to throw mud.

Do you see this future roulette computer customers?  He doesnt have 100% faith in his own product, he has to look elsewhere.

Nimo you're really being a dick now. I've had an interest in precognition for a very long time. I've said many times I believe it may well become the next generation of advantage play. I also have technology that sees through cards. Not IR, but using passive radiation from only the top of the card. Must mean my computers are useless.

As it is now, I'm close to retirement from roulette. Over 20 years. My interest in roulette will continue, as it will in precognition.

You know little about my life Nimo. I don't need any of this to be comfortable.

As for "future computer players", I just don't care if you or anyone doesn't like the idea of computers. Anyone interested can easily test them on any wheel they want. It hardly makes a difference if you want to discredit them. Just like others who attack me, all their lies count for nothing when someone tests my computers for themselves on any wheel.

Nimo showed a good example of how being honest makes you a target. Truth isnt convenient for everyone.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Nimo on Oct 09, 07:40 AM 2018
I care that people understand I'm honest. Smarter people know how to find out rather than believe lies. People understand that especially when they deal with me closely. Otherwise I don't give a f***. Is that clear enough for you?

Never even remotely said that. Now you're being a dick.

I have more than enough faith in my technology to repeatedly demonstrate it publicly, and give it free for known neutral people to openly evaluate them - as I've done. My players use it almost daily. I watch from home. There's much more, but you're not interested in that. You just want to throw mud.

Nimo you're really being a dick now. I've had an interest in precognition for a very long time. I've said many times I believe it may well become the next generation of advantage play.

As it is now, I'm close to retirement from roulette. Over 20 years. My interest in roulette will continue, as it will in precognition.

You know little about my life Nimo. I don't need any of this to be comfortable.

As for "future computer players", I just don't care if you or anyone doesn't like the idea of computers. Anyone interested can easily test them on any wheel they want. It hardly makes a difference if you want to discredit them. Just like others who attack me, all their lies count for nothing when someone tests my computers for themselves on any wheel.

Nimo showed a good example of how being honest makes you a target. Truth isnt convenient for everyone.

I'm just showing everyone that this is what you do, you twist words to fit your own agenda under the guise of truth.  When someone else does it they are a dick, but when you constantly do it your halo glows brightly. 

People tend to see the truth, if you have to keep saying your honest then something is wrong there.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 09, 07:41 AM 2018
I care that people understand I'm honest.
I understand  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 07:53 AM 2018
you twist words to fit your own agenda under the guise of truth.

...or maybe I just tell the truth

When someone else does it they are a dick,

Any intelligent person just saw how you twisted the words. It's different from telling the truth.

if you have to keep saying your honest then something is wrong there.

You're right. Im a lying c***. Better?

Nimo, knowing if im telling the truth isn't hard. Math is not an opinion. Neither is what people see when they test my technology.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 07:59 AM 2018
And none of that is relevant. You started attacking me and why? You can't invalidate my points by trying to discredit me on irrelevant matters.

I could be a unicorn, but it wouldn't change the accuracy is what ive said, would it?

Again focus on the message, not the messenger. Please let's not waste more time.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 09, 08:14 AM 2018
You're right. Im a lying c***. Better?
Oh no I won't call you that

You're my yoda :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Nimo on Oct 09, 09:10 AM 2018
Again focus on the message, not the messenger. Please let's not waste more time.

I was just showing you the mirror on how the message is delivered. 

Agreed, let's focus on the topic of this thread.  The unicorn is Scotland's national animal.  It has been shown on crests in Scotland and other parts of the world for centuries.  In roulette terms, it does exist, Turbo and others have found it, broken it, put a saddle on and go for a ride.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 09, 11:35 AM 2018
This thread should in no way be offensive to anyone.  It was merely designed to make everyone think about how they gamble and the house advantage.

If you were in the casino, and you read the unicorn comment would you be offended?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 05:14 PM 2018
This thread should in no way be offensive to anyone. 

Thats not true.

(https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/S-IElqtqis78ohgy/upset-teen-girl-crying_bfmqitpgbe_thumbnail-full01.png)

What's next caleb? There's no friggen Santa??

You asshole.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 09, 05:35 PM 2018
Random side note, do you ever look at yourself in the mirror and go dammmmnn then stare for a bit and go damn ?  :xd:

i wanna share with you the result from today's real session..I feel wonderful, as wonderful can be. It makes me wanna say f**ck off. And by the way I've been meaning to say. i bet only 12 numbers

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Total Profit ***Flatbetting*** = +372
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Mako on Oct 09, 05:41 PM 2018
Nice RB, killed it!  8)
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 09, 05:50 PM 2018
Nice RB, killed it! 


Thx Mako!

The  #Hits according to the law of probability are 66 out of 206 trials.
but my system had 79 Hits out of 206 trials...thx to the so-called accurate predictions.

Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 09, 06:59 PM 2018

Thx Mako!

The  #Hits according to the law of probability are 66 out of 206 trials.
but my system had 79 Hits out of 206 trials...thx to the so-called accurate predictions.

206 so? ::)
How does it do over 50k trials flat betting?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 07:18 PM 2018
(https://ladydanville.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/santadied-sm.jpg)

Asshole.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 09, 07:20 PM 2018
But seriously RB, most members do it. The short term tests are meaningless.

Testing manually is far too time consuming because to test enough spins takes a long time.

Use something like roulette xtreme.

The old saying "but i'll never play that many spins" is short-sighted. What if 100 players all use the same system? Who's a winner and loser? What is the overall result of everyone combined? Can you be sure you'll be one of the winners?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 09, 09:07 PM 2018
Unicorns aren't real, but the house edge is.

Yes they are, they eat Holy Grain.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: -Katalyst- on Oct 09, 10:32 PM 2018
@Steve - being attacked?

"the seer, the seening, and the seen are the same"

....thing I don't understand is why is it so hard for some on here to digest that system players can and are making profits - consistent profits for long periods ((*many approaches can be used profitably - it’s up to the user))
* yes am aware of your stats on luck prevailing for a yr or so

 **if you have the mindset - it can be lucrative - HG or no HG (Caleb/ et al - 50 or 50000 jigs) - dynamic adaptive play & creating the window - people focusing on profits and minimizing losses will come out ahead - period!

**as said before - I understand this business is not for everybody but in saying that, the answers/leads for making a comfortable living have already been shared by a few generous system posters on here and previously on the web

**the opportunity is there to loose - should one choose to**

-best wishes-
   ;)
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: -Katalyst- on Oct 09, 10:36 PM 2018
....& 'holy grain' can be harvested in a multitude of ways! ........with the right seeds!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 10, 12:03 AM 2018
The thread seems to upset some people, but it shouldn't have. 

Walking into the casino there was an add that would come up about once every minute or so on various TV monitors in the casino.  The add, actually an informative note read, "It's true...that unicorns aren't real, but the house advantage is."


How many of you would have been bent out of shape reading that in the casino?  :o
It seems that the casino isn't always a safe place from the facts either.

Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 01:27 AM 2018
thing I don't understand is why is it so hard for some on here to digest that system players can and are making profits

The thing you're not getting is we've all made profits with a bad system too. Almost every system wins for a while, then tanks. That's not what we're talking about.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 10, 01:41 AM 2018
Almost every system wins for a while, then tanks.
Why do you qualify your statement?

And that's your opinion
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: -Katalyst- on Oct 10, 02:21 AM 2018
 - not getting what you’ll are spraying on here? - sure!  ::)

....and I'm not talking about winning for a while - *as noted - you are entitled to your opinion though  :thumbsup:


@ Caleb - you implying that you are in shape?
  Pls!  :xd:

Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 03:19 AM 2018
Why do you qualify your statement?

Because not every system has no effect on prediction accuracy

and I'm not talking about winning for a while - *as noted - you are entitled to your opinion though  :thumbsup:

Show me one long-term chart with realistic conditions.

Understand my opinion is based on knowledge of the system and its principles, the fact that the talkers here tank on mpr, and all the short term charts they're posting to supposedly prove their system works.

My opinions are actually just facts. Show me otherwise.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 10, 03:29 AM 2018
Steve, general :

RX? Do you think is needed ?
Maybe, but the issue is that I don’t have the predictions at hand!
I get the predictions from a computer program.
The program requires data, actually I am inputting the data manually.

By the way, if you check the outcome, you will see that the edge achieved is approx 7% against the house!

I tested in the past many „flatearthers“ systems ! All failed after 100 spins, as you know the variance gets aggressiver with the time.

I don’t always believe in bullshit but sometimes you should take the shit out of the bull and make from bull‘s steaks delicious barbecue.

Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 04:19 AM 2018
Rx just makes it easier to test enough spins. It would take too long to test enough spins manually. Think in terms of hundreds of thousands of spins.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 10, 04:40 AM 2018
Steve

I can make a deal with you, if you want !
Do you know how the prototype of an electronic device that can be used on land based casino should look like ?

I am planing to start developing a device that can do the work for me, the device should be small, smart and undetectable!

It should take some data in input and provide result.

Device won’t work as a traditional computer that needs to be hang over the wheel !

The player needs to input data manually and be able to read the result from a small display !

Do you have any idea ? Or experience ?

The algorithm should be handled secretly!
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 04:52 AM 2018
Coding an app with key input and analysis is easy.

Device won’t work as a traditional computer that needs to be hang over the wheel !

You've got the wrong idea about roulette computers. They don't hang over the wheel. Players with my hybrid could even be strip searched and all there'd be is a normal phone.

Do you have any idea ? Or experience ?

Piss easy.

But you can't be vague with programmers. You need precise algorithms that can code.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: -Katalyst- on Oct 10, 04:53 AM 2018
@ Steve -  - your opinion is 'based on knowledge of the system and it's principles' ....who's system and who's principles?! - your view and take on it? - competent at VB/AP you guys maybe - but system play? :question:

**to an extent - I see your logic/angle ......at the same I am voicing for certain posters past and present that have graciously shared info and have been ridiculed/barked at - just because things weren’t apparent, it didn’t necessarily mean that they did not have something
**to be clear - I’m in no way referring to majority of system plays on here - been at this for 20 plus yrs to know that even when you have got something special on paper/comp - the real test comes when successfully applied in real cash conditions

**I have said this before - do you honestly think the ones that have got something would have divulged/layed it out for all to see
**When you were doing your ground work -  did you find all the answers in one place, **were they obvious and did they make sense at the start!? ....**they were all ideas/leads - you had to go and wrk at it for self before you convinced yourself that they were indeed axioms! ....same with system plays  :thumbsup:

Haha! Yes - best we move on
- it's cycles of circles here!


 ;)
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 10, 05:00 AM 2018
Coding an app with key input and analysis is easy.

You've got the wrong idea about roulette computers. They don't hang over the wheel. Players with my hybrid could even be strip searched and all there'd be is a normal phone.

Piss easy.

But you can't be vague with programmers. You need precise algorithms that can code.

I guess you mean mobile app !
But the issue is that lots of casino don’t let you use your mobile when you are near the roulette table!

That’s a big concern for me, as this solution isn’t viable at least in the long term

What other possible solutions are left ?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 10, 05:14 AM 2018
Because not every system has no effect on prediction accuracy
:thumbsup:

Good eyesight, strong legs and functioning brain
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 06:25 AM 2018
But the issue is that lots of casino don’t let you use your mobile when you are near the roulette table!

They never see it.

That’s a big concern for me, as this solution isn’t viable at least in the long term

Do you know what I've been doing for over a decade? This is right up my alley. Hiding it is never a problem. Neither is covert use. The problem is more avoiding detection if you are winning larger more worthwhile amounts.

What other possible solutions are left ?

What you want is easily done. Ive already done it with different versions and I worth with this technology and associated issues literally almost every day. First I suggest do proper testing of your algorithms as there's no point if you arent 1005 sure it works.

Good eyesight, strong legs and functioning brain

Welcome to the club. Have a cookie.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 06:51 AM 2018
who's system and who's principles?!

Whoever invented the universe.

your view and take on it?

It's not a view or opinion. It's just understanding of basic verifiable principles.

I am voicing for certain posters past and present that have graciously shared info and have been ridiculed/barked at

When they are incorrect, i explain their mistake and how to verify it themselves.

do you honestly think the ones that have got something would have divulged/layed it out for all to see

No but I'm not talking about that. Im talking about clearly incorrect theories and logic.

When you were doing your ground work -  did you find all the answers in one place, **were they obvious and did they make sense at the start!? ....**they were all ideas/leads - you had to go and wrk at it for self before you convinced yourself that they were indeed axioms! ....same with system plays  :thumbsup:

Youre missing what I'm saying. Im only talking about clear mistakes
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 10, 12:07 PM 2018
:thumbsup:

Good eyesight, strong legs and functioning brain

Welcome to the club, did you already have a cookie as steve told you ?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 10, 12:17 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

Before you move forward on anything you need to strip the progression from your system.  Test it flat betting.  If it doesn't win flat betting, then coding it is just a foolish waste of time.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 10, 12:42 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

Before you move forward on anything you need to strip the progression from your system.  Test it flat betting.  If it doesn't win flat betting, then coding it is just a foolish waste of time.


hey General,

do you have an idea how can i make the system usable in land casino?
look steve suggested a mobile app, but as you know casino staff are really idiots, they won't let you in peace.


Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 10, 12:55 PM 2018

hey General,

do you have an idea how can i make the system usable in land casino?
look steve suggested a mobile app, but as you know casino staff are really idiots, they won't let you in peace.

In the US, I wouldn't use any kind of electronic device of any kind whatsoever.

In Australia and parts of Europe and Maccau you pretty much can in many locations.

Why do you feel you need to use an app in the first place?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Roulettebeater on Oct 10, 01:25 PM 2018
Hey General.

Fresh stats.

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Total played spins =81


Hitrate (31) above probability (26)... edge against house +5.6

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Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 10, 01:55 PM 2018
In Australia and parts of Europe and Maccau you pretty much can in many locations.
Until your winnings exceed norm sd
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 10, 03:39 PM 2018
Unicorns aren't real, but the house edge is.

Correct, but you forgot the last part of the sentence.

Unicorns aren't real, but the house edge is and so is precognition.

When you use precognition the house edge does not matter anymore.
 
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 04:38 PM 2018
Correct, but you forgot the last part of the sentence.

Unicorns aren't real, but the house edge is and so is precognition.

When you use precognition the house edge does not matter anymore.

I cant understand why Caleb doesnt comment on pregognition. Its right up his street to bombard with gifs and insults.

Doesnt want to upset Steve I guess.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I have no desire to tell people they are wrong and I am right.

All I can do is give my view.

I think precognition is completely bonkers. The brain cant move objects or see into the future or bend spoons.

The wonderful thing about the brain is the fact we can be abstract and fantasize about moving objects, seeing into the future and bending spoons.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 10, 04:48 PM 2018


I think precognition is completely bonkers. The brain cant move objects or see into the future or bend spoons.


 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: I burst out laughing and nearly spilt my drink when I read that.  :lol: :xd:

I remember when I used to think the same.

All I know is that precognition is real. I used to be a skeptic but having researched and practised it myself I know for certain it is it is 100% real.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. All I can say is do more research.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 05:35 PM 2018
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. All I can say is do more research.
I dont argue with fanatics...flat earthers...spoon benders....Bible bashers.

Its pointless to argue with someone who really doesnt want to believe the opposite of their view, which brings me nicely back to my post to Caleb earlier in this thread (which he conveniently ignored like he always does)

System players wont listen to AP's and vice versa. Its a poinless act.

I went to a psychic medium once but when got there there was a sign on the door which read "Psychic Medium show cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances"  :lol:
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Gitano on Oct 10, 05:51 PM 2018
 :twisted: :twisted: :xd:
Advantage Players does not study statistic ?!?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 06:25 PM 2018
Turner, precog may be a grey subject when it comes to getting an edge. I explained why I believe what I believe. It makes no difference to me what anyone's opinion is. I'm not going to cry about it like a system player.

But you're forgetting there's a difference between what may be true (still being researched, tested, refined and developed) and something that is already proven to not work (and can be mathematically verified).

Many system players can argue something like after 10 reds, black is due. Most players at least know that's false. But they dont understand slightly more complicated things like "repeaters" is equally false.

Don't tell me systems are still in development. I'm not talking about systems that may use a working principle. I'm talking about systems based about losing principles. You cant develop "after 10 reds, WHICH is more likely to spin next?? I'll just DEVELOP my theory then I'll eventually have the HG"

Advantage Players does not study statistic ?!?

Of course we do. But you're not understanding a system player's idea of winning with statistics is:
In 37 spins, some numbers will repeat, so let's bet on the repeaters. (and they ignore the rest of the statistics that proves repeaters will repeat with the same frequency as other numbers).

An advantage player's idea of statistics is:
When the ball hits a pocket, it mostly bounces 9 pockets to the winning number. The data suggests an edge is achieved if we bet on this number and 2 neighbors either side.

See the difference?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 06:52 PM 2018
Turner, precog may be a grey subject when it comes to getting an edge
You say that like precog is real but getting an edge is a grey area.

Precog doesnt make any sense to me. Why is there no proof?....like ghosts or aliens.

Yeah, there are 1 billion videos on you tube but none are proof. they are all fakery or optical illusions.

No ghost or alien has been photographed conclusively and theres also no proof that the brain is no more than a concentration of biological cells.

Show me the proof and I will believe.

rather like I spend years seeing volcanos on video, but dont believe them. You can make me a believer by taking me to a volcano. Simple.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Gitano on Oct 10, 07:15 PM 2018
Ok, I have a question for you !
I've tried to use visual, but in my opinion it is very difficult and need a super brain and eyes to win often.. after two spins start headache in me..need a lot of concentration and it leads to me to bet really random... :o :o
I want to ask to you about that; someone have created an average file or create a database for example with the start points and land points and and see if there are good connections with number spun..?I think is difficult too..but  it could be an advantage playing,  for example in airball.
Do you think this is doable?

BR
Gitano

Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 07:20 PM 2018
You say that like precog is real but getting an edge is a grey area.

I believe it is real, and I explained why. But I dont understand the working mechanism.

Precog doesnt make any sense to me

Neither would have radio waves to people before they became common knowledge.

Why is there no proof?....like ghosts or aliens.

There's ample proof aliens are real, to the point where it's not worth discussing. As for ghosts, that's more complicated. I think it's possible, but I dont really know.

Yeah, there are 1 billion videos on you tube but none are proof. they are all fakery or optical illusions.

There are countless fakes. Anyone who knows anything about the technology can easily spot them. I should point out Ive seen a ufo myself clear as day. But I think it was probably man-made rather than alien. I can't be sure. But as for what I saw, as clear as day.

No ghost or alien has been photographed conclusively

Ghosts and ufos are completely different things. If ghosts could be seen, I believe it would be partly a matter of the person's consciousness, like the ability to see auras, which by the way i was able to see at one time. I didnt really believe it was possible, until I could see them as clear as you see anything else. I cant see them anymore, besides a faint haze, I'm not entirely sure why. I used to be able to see clear colors and emanating energy. Yes I know what you and other must think. If I particularly cared, I wouldnt say it.

Never seen a ghost though. I'll believe it when i see it. If they were real, I dont think its something physical equipment could photograph but you never know.

Show me the proof and I will believe.

Of ufos? Easy. Start with:

Nazi Bell
Viktor Schauberger
Project paperclip
Nazi ufos
Anunnaki

There's much more. It's something that will take many years to understand. And basically you'll conclude it is LIKELY that:

1. There exists a secret government (shadow government, aka military industrial complex), which appears to be run by groups of super-wealthy elite, who have had ufo technology for a long time.

2. Probably most of the ufos which are seen are actually man-made

3. There still exists many alien races, which should be no surprise considering the size of the universe.

4. Earth and its inhabitants are a controversial subject among ET races. Some want to help us, some want to use and control us as a resource. Some dont give a crap and rather let nature take it's course.

5. Governments at the top level know about it all. The leaders we elect are mostly clueless. Elected leaders are not at the top. but the conspiracy is not traditional politics. It's basically a bunch of super-wealthy elite families, who may have made a pact with particular alien races.

6. Our civilization is being systematically dumbed down and controlled in every possible way, with everything from advertising to banking.

Yes I know what you and others may think. Again I don't care. You'll just have to do the research for yourself.

It's important to understand MOST information about these matters is bullshit. There are nut-jobs with unsubstantiated claims everywhere. I believe some of it is deliberate disinformation. Like I believe the flat-Earth trash is probably deliberate disinformation to keep people distracted from what really matters. But it could also genuinely be nut jobs with no clue.

In all, the truth is a tangled web mixed with truth and bullshit. It takes years have a reasonable understanding of what's happening. And still you'll only know parts of it.


Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 07:27 PM 2018
I've tried to use visual, but in my opinion it is very difficult and need a super brain and eyes to win often.

Then you're probably using a bad technique, dont understand what's really required, or need more practice.

after two spins start headache in me..need a lot of concentration and it leads to me to bet really random... 

As above. I find it very easy.

And did you assess the scatter first? If you dont know what I'm talking about, that's a clue to the problem.

I want to ask to you about that; someone have created an average file or create a database for example with the start points and land points and and see if there are good connections with number spun..?I think is difficult too..but  it could be an advantage playing,  for example in airball.
Do you think this is doable?

It's do-able but not with all wheels, and conditions are too volatile to look at pocket distance alone. You need a lot more to know when there's an edge. You'll have a lot more success on slower rotors. And if the scatter is bad, dont bother.

In my experience, almost every wheel can be beaten one way or another. But often it's not practical in a casino environment with the main cause being spins are too infrequent. It depends on the method though. Rather than limit yourself to just one method, understand which approach is best for the individual wheel you're playing on. Like I tell my players, a strategy can be great for one wheel, but totally useless for another.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 10, 07:29 PM 2018
Steve,
I bet you've read some Zecharia Setchin.  If not, I'll double up and bet you've read some David Eyk (Ayk? Haykes?)
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 07:32 PM 2018
Steve,
I bet you've read some Zecharia Setchin.  If not, I'll double up and bet you've read some David Eyk (Ayk? Haykes?)

No, I may have seen some of his material, but his name doesn't ring a bell (neither names). There are a lot of people that share the same beliefs because there's enough evidence to back it up.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 10, 07:37 PM 2018
You say that like precog is real but getting an edge is a grey area.

Precog doesnt make any sense to me. Why is there no proof?....like ghosts or aliens.

Yeah, there are 1 billion videos on you tube but none are proof. they are all fakery or optical illusions.

No ghost or alien has been photographed conclusively and theres also no proof that the brain is no more than a concentration of biological cells.

Show me the proof and I will believe.

rather like I spend years seeing volcanos on video, but dont believe them. You can make me a believer by taking me to a volcano. Simple.

Initially scientists did not believe in quantum phenomena.

Have you ever heard of the double split experiment?
How is it possible that the reality of particle changes just by observation? The materialist worldview is a deadend when it comes to explaining reality. You are stuck in a very old and incorrect paradigm even when it comes the facts.

Precognition is a phenomena that has been proven statistically by many experiments

Professor Jessica Utts, a statistician from the University of California

She says: "Using the standards applied to any other area of science, you have to conclude that certain psychic phenomena, such as remote viewing, have been well established.

http://deanradin.com/evidence/Utts1996.pdf
http://deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm

Again just do the research.... but it seems you want to believe it is false because the supposed 'scientific community' (in fact only dogmatic materialist skeptics believe this) claim it is not possible according to science.

Here is Brian Josephson a Nobel prize in physics winner who believes in esp/psi


As he states....
"I would question your statements about the vast majority who dismiss it and a few who believe it, because it is a fact that once you profess a belief that it may be true then this may damage your career prospects"

"quite a number of scientists believe that it is real but don't come out and say it.... its part of sociology science is a bit like a club which has its rules as to what you may believe and what you may not"

The majority of people seem to be duped and brainwashed into the incoherent worldview of materialism that they think everything outside it is 'spooky'.

The reality is.....
precognition is real.
Telepathy is real.
Telekinesis is real.
Apparitions are real. 

All of these things and more are real.
It is all a part of reality we just need to understand it better.

To any else reading this DO MORE RESEARCH..... TAKE THE RED PILL!!! WAKE UP!!
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 08:03 PM 2018
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Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Gitano on Oct 10, 08:18 PM 2018
Yes Steve I understand very well what you said and my lack of knowledges,
But playing in an airball roulette that is a machine..nothing more than a simple"machine..not a ghost or a precog  :wink:..could be simply beaten in your opinion?
We have two second to bet the sector, is doable to play I mean.. the issue should be study before the statistics of the biases..the averages spins won/lost/landed - that one took by the visual spins (start and land ball before starting bounce)  collected before (a lot of data I mean..) ??
Where can I learn something about the asses scatter you spoke about ?
Thanks
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 10, 08:29 PM 2018
airball roulette that is a machine..nothing more than a simple"machine..not a ghost or a precog  ..could be simply beaten in your opinion?

"Machine" is an over-simplification. It's still a real physical wheel. Generally focus on live dealer wheels. Earlier auto wheels were easier to beat. Newer models are more difficult. You can beat some, but dont bother unless you already know what you're looking for.

If you mean VB, the rotor on an auto wheel will probably change its speed. You need to assess the angle it will change. Some claim 360 degrees random, but rarely it is. Like some just select between pre-defined speeds. All that does it increase the amount of possibilities; most of which overlap. So it doesn't make much difference at all. Some do the randomization properly in which case you don't bother. Most will significantly reduce your edge. To make you totally lose any edge would have a backlash from players who lose trust in the wheel, because of visible manipulation of the wheel.

Where can I learn something about the asses scatter you spoke about ?

The method you use depends on your system/approach. I suggest the following:

1. Pick one diamond you can clearly see

2. As the ball slows down, note the number under your diamond when the ball is above this diamond for the LAST time in the spin. This is number "a".

3. The wining number is "number b"

Repeat this for 30+ spins separately for each direction, and you'll get data like:

a,b
a,b
a,b
a,b

4. Submit the data at http://roulettephysics.com/jaa/index.php/jump in "quick jump"

You'll get something like this:
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If the rating is 70% or better it's usually ok.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: luckyfella on Oct 10, 10:26 PM 2018
Ok, I have a question for you !
I've tried to use visual, but in my opinion it is very difficult and need a super brain and eyes to win often.. after two spins start headache in me..need a lot of concentration and it leads to me to bet really random... :o :o
I want to ask to you about that; someone have created an average file or create a database for example with the start points and land points and and see if there are good connections with number spun..?I think is difficult too..but  it could be an advantage playing,  for example in airball.
Do you think this is doable?

BR
Gitano
VB is not difficult

You have to know what you are looking for

When the conditions line up place your bet, it's that simple
Physics dictates that the outcome will come inside known parameters, that's science
The key here is condition

A much simpler approach is to use math
It works with any wheel since the physical attributes is not required
So long as you can count, you can play it

Precognition......hmmm show me ghost and fairies
It's ok to take a backseat on this one
You first :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Joe on Oct 11, 06:33 AM 2018
How is it possible that the reality of particle changes just by observation?

This is a common misconception. It's not the mere observation which changes the behaviour of the particles, as though there is some mysterious force coming out of our eyes, lol. It's the measuring which has an effect, not the human observation. An analogy is using a volt meter. Measuring a voltage changes it slightly because of the impedance of the meter.

You don't need to have a materialistic world view to believe that precognition doesn't exist, because (a) there is no known scientific mechanism which would allow precognition and (b) there is no scientific evidence that it exists, even though people have believed in it for thousands of years.
If people want to believe it, that's up to them, but like Turner I don't understand why the general doesn't comment. As far as I'm concerned it's far more unlikely that you can win at roulette using precognition than a system.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 06:43 AM 2018
there is no known scientific mechanism which would allow precognition

Same for radio waves once too. Have some foresight.

there is no scientific evidence that it exists

Nonsense. Research properly.

it's far more unlikely that you can win at roulette using precognition than a system.

That depends on the system. Certainly not if youre talking about the typical system using known ineffective approaches.

I don't understand why the general doesn't comment

He already said he thinks it's nonsense. It doesn't appear to be something hes spent much time on. Neither his or anyones negative opinion about it is going to bother me.

And if hypothetically precog was proven nonsense, id move on. Im a grown man only partial to reality, whatever it may be.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Nimo on Oct 11, 07:14 AM 2018
So since this thread moved into the metaphysical/paranormal realm, unicorn's are real, they could be interdimensional beings, or animals from a parallel universe, or aliens from another galaxy. 

In 95% of ghost investigations they found toxic mould in the dwelling that caused hallucinations.  3% of the people claiming to see ghosts were found to suffer from some sort of mental illness.  1% were on mind altering substances, leaving 1% unexplained.

As for auras, Steve your description is almost identical to Nikola Tesla's in his autobiography.  He suffered from migraines as well.  Most that do see auras suffer from migraine s.  Using MRI imaging when an aura was seen the ociptal region of the brain lights up like the Vegas strip, the nerve impulses that cause migraines they believe stimulate the optic nerves which the patient thinks they see auras. 

Since some of you believe precognition is possible, why is it so far out of the realm to think that maybe some system players "see" patterns that would cause them to alter a system to what they feel is the play, rather than saying its curve fitting.

I too am curious why Caleb is so silent on this topic.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Joe on Oct 11, 07:17 AM 2018
Nonsense. Research properly.

Steve, I don't mean youtube videos, I'm talking about serious peer-reviewed scientific research. Many investigators have tried but their studies have all been shown to be flawed or the results insignificant. You're always saying systems should be tested properly, doesn't that apply to precognition research too?

All the evidence is anecdotal, same goes for systems too. You can dismiss so called winning systems as being down to luck, but you can also dismiss anecdotes of precognition as being down to coincidence or flawed methodology.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 07:32 AM 2018
they could be interdimensional beings, or animals from a parallel universe, or aliens from another galaxy. 

Now thats just silly. Where's the proof?

In 95% of ghost investigations they found toxic mould in the dwelling that caused hallucinations

Maybe. I don't really give a shit. Ghosts is not my thing. I believe there is something after death but I'm busy and will get to that later. Whether or not someone can see spirits is inconsequential as far as I'm concerned.

3% of the people claiming to see ghosts were found to suffer from some sort of mental illness.

Like the 98% of system players who think their system works.

1% were on mind altering substances

Nothing compared to 54% of system players.

leaving 1% unexplained

Compared to 0% of system players unexplained?

As for auras, Steve your description is almost identical to Nikola Tesla's in his autobiography.  He suffered from migraines as well.

And he was probably the greatest genius of our known history. What's your point?

Most that do see auras suffer from migraine s.

 Huh? I think youre just making up random shit.

Using MRI imaging when an aura was seen the ociptal region of the brain lights up like the Vegas strip, the nerve impulses that cause migraines they believe stimulate the optic nerves which the patient thinks they see auras. 

I must have brain damage. I'll get right on it.
But i dont get migraines.

why is it so far out of the realm to think that maybe some system players "see" patterns that would cause them to alter a system to what they feel is the play, rather than saying its curve fitting.

Because it's retarded to think 1+1=8.72 and think only the winning sessions matter.
The problem is they don't understand what they're doing or saying.  Other people who understand tell them about it but are attacked for being honest.

I too am curious why Caleb is so silent on this topic.

Simple.  He's watching Rick and Morty. The bitcoin babe recommended it and i love it, so i understand. Bitcoin babe has a sense of humor too. But her fees are too high.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 07:50 AM 2018
Steve, I don't mean youtube videos, I'm talking about serious peer-reviewed scientific research

So am i. Really, I'm not stupid.

Many investigators have tried but their studies have all been shown to be flawed or the results insignificant

Probably because they tested with charlatans or people with purely latent ability.

You're always saying systems should be tested properly, doesn't that apply to precognition research too?

Sure. Read what i wrote. It helps to test properly.

You're still comparing systems. If you understood the math of losing systems, you wouldnt compare them.

All the evidence is anecdotal,

Rubbish.

You can dismiss so called winning systems as being down to luck

No, if it were short term results it's plain inconclusive. What im talking about regarding specific approaches is clear eventual loss from provably ineffective approaches that can and have been tested long term.

you can also dismiss anecdotes of precognition as being down to coincidence or flawed methodology.

Like i already said, the available results may not be conclusive enough. I explained why. Read back. It doesn't mean it isn't legit. Again, more testing etc is needed.  It's not like proving 1+1 doesn't = 43.7654, is it?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Joe on Oct 11, 08:12 AM 2018
Rubbish.

So do you have a link to some serious peer-reviewed study which shows that precognition works?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Joe on Oct 11, 08:15 AM 2018
You're still comparing systems. If you understood the math of losing systems, you wouldnt compare them.

I do understand it.
Maths doesn't make something true. The maths is only as good as the model you start with. Garbage in - Garbage out.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: -Katalyst- on Oct 11, 08:20 AM 2018
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** ‘One of the great mysteries of the universe- why am I always right’  ::)

Haha! - couldn’t resist!  ;)
- maybe more peeps need to tackle that Q

*Based on what you have just highlighted about precog (**and am not negating it) Nimo & Joe have just presented valid considerations - and yet you refute
-  but heh! - each to their own - I know there are systematic ways - and it seems many on this forum do so too  :thumbsup:



**do agree with what you have shared  about ET activity and absorption into this planet

....perhaps if one were to extraplate/hypothesis and conclude with an open mind - would we not consider ourselves descendants of extra terrestrial beings ....or is that pushing the boundaries on here ........too much!?   ::)

**well we are all learning
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 08:43 AM 2018
Have you ever heard of the double split experiment?
You are confusing the sub atomic world with Newtons gravity driven world

The brain is at molecular level.
Quantum double slit makes no sense as a an example to justify spoon bending

Selective reading. Typical of the fanatic
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Nimo on Oct 11, 09:00 AM 2018
Selective reading. Typical of the fanatic
Selective reading, and answering too!
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Let Me Win on Oct 11, 09:00 AM 2018
It's hilarious people talking about precognition as if it was something serious.

If you believe that bullsh!t don't waste your time with Roulette because James Randi will give you 1 million dollars.


Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 09:14 AM 2018
It's hilarious people talking about precognition as if it was something serious.

If you believe that bullsh!t don't waste your time with Roulette because James Randi will give you 1 million dollars.
Funny that....WOV prize for the holy grail is mentioned a lot....no mention of Randis prize
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 11, 11:30 AM 2018
Sriracha is the secret to making it all work.  Lots and lots of it.

Not relaxation.
Not meditation.
Not staring at candles.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 12:17 PM 2018
Sriracha is the secret to making it all work.  Lots and lots of it.

Not relaxation.
Not meditation.
Not staring at candles.
Chilli sauce......Why?
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 11, 12:26 PM 2018
The secret is likely linked to a specific bacteria found in certain brands of sriracha and the capsaicin effect.   (8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide.)
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 01:10 PM 2018
I know what chillis do...I meant more....
What is it relating to as a secret...what is it benefiting and thus what is it making you do better
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: The General on Oct 11, 01:18 PM 2018
I know what chillis do...I meant more....
What is it relating to as a secret...what is it benefiting and thus what is it making you do better

Nothing I could say would help you understand how.  Drink a quart and you may see things differently.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 01:23 PM 2018
Nothing I could say would help you understand how. 
Of course it can.
What is it you are saying will happen
Just a buzz...or can you now do specific things you cant normally do
Are these things everday enhancements like concentration or are we talking supernatural things
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 05:56 PM 2018
So do you have a link to some serious peer-reviewed study which shows that precognition works?

Yes. Or specifically the results are statistically relevant, but still not conclusive proof. I explained why already.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 05:58 PM 2018
would we not consider ourselves descendants of extra terrestrial beings ....or is that pushing the boundaries on here ........too much!?   

We may be.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 05:59 PM 2018
Quantum double slit makes no sense as a an example to justify spoon bending

Spoon bending does not appear to be at all related. I dont know of any credible evidence to suggest it is anything more than a magician's trick.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 06:09 PM 2018
It's hilarious people talking about precognition as if it was something serious.

Equally hilarious that people discount it so easily, without real experience, and without researching properly.

If you believe that bullsh!t don't waste your time with Roulette because James Randi will give you 1 million dollars.

Randi is a fraud. I approached him with the Masaru Emoto rice experiment because I replicated it myself. It's not the words that do it. It's your attention and emotion. Randi's response was a reference to his terms of service, saying the offer is only open to "celebrities". Normal people are forbidden to take his challenge. His challenge is in the interest of discrediting phenomena, not in unbiased science.

Chilli sauce......Why?

He's pulling your leg. He wants the response "I tried your chilli sauce suggestion and it was soo damn hot!"

Anyway we are going in circles.

Let's simplify. Precognition has had significant positive trials. But it's not conclusive enough to say it's fact. I believe it's fact, but I'm not 100% convinced. I'm 99% convinced.

Regarding remote viewing, the evidence is more conclusive. But it's not precognition as far as i know.

In either case, we just dont now FOR SURE, at least yet.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Regarding the comparison to systems.... What's more likely:

1. an approach used by a system that's mathematically guaranteed to lose, and has been tested extensively and proven to fail will still lead to the HG......

2. Precognition which has had significant positive trials, which are statistically relevant, but still needs more testing.

Without a biased answer, clearly #2. Thing is if it were tests of a more scientifically accepted field, the results would be conclusive enough.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Steve on Oct 11, 06:22 PM 2018
It isnt related to precognition, but here is what I believe is one credible case of "paranormal" abilities. Yes I know there are many fakes.


I dont think it should be such a big thing though. Some people are able to focus biological energy. It's very rare, but we can probably all do it with practice. There are definitely some credible cases of people being able to generate a mild electrostatic charge on their fingertips enough to burn newspaper.

Our bodies are loaded with energy. Why wouldn't it be possible?

Yes its possibly a magician's trick. Most probably are, but Im not sure about all.
Title: Re: Unicorns Aren't Real
Post by: Turner on Oct 12, 05:38 AM 2018
Steve
I always appreciate your concise answers
Cheers