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Title: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Let Me Win on Oct 11, 03:38 PM 2018
This was posted in 2009 on the old VLS forum.

I thought it looked interesting does anyone want to discuss it?  It will work best when being for betting either Red or Black

This is a 'up as you win' staking plan.

Look at the 5 last outcomes in the betting registry (of the actual placed bets): You next placed bet should be equal to the number of w's you see in those 5 last spins.

(Note: for the first 5 bets, start with 1 unit and alter your bet based on the number of w's you get.)

Example:

Start with 1 unit

Win
w <-- 1 w, next bet is 1 unit again
Loss
wL <-- 1 w, next bet is 1 unit
Loss
wLL <-- 1 w, next bet is 1 unit
Win
wLLw <-- 2 w's, next bet is 2 units
Win
wLLww <-- 3 w's, next bet is 3 units
Loss
w[LLwwL] <-- 2 w's, next bet is 2 units
(notice how we only look at the 5 last results)
Win
wL[LwwLw] <-- 3 w's, next bet is 3 units
Win
wLL[wwLww] <-- 4 w's, next bet is 4 units

Etc.

Non explosive. Limited to 5 units as maximum bet.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Oct 12, 07:37 AM 2018
Hi Let Me Win,

Thanks for re-posting stake plan. For the selection could use same idea for EC selection:

RBBBR----->bet 1 on B

R[BBBRB]----> W = bet 2 on B

A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 11:17 AM 2019
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 12, 07:37 AM 2018
Hi Let Me Win,

Thanks for re-posting stake plan. For the selection could use same idea for EC selection:

RBBBR----->bet 1 on B

R[BBBRB]----> W = bet 1 on B

A.

Came back to this today...
Did a few real number tests in which it seemed to handle mixed, series, and cross-combo results.
Used mild progression. Started playing with 1u bets - increased stake to 2u when behind 5x stake from highest plus result (-5 from highest bank)

r b r r b b r b b r b r b b b b b b b r r b b b b b b b = +10

r b b r b b r b b r b b b b = +5

b b b b b b r b r b b r r b b b r b b r r b r r b r r b b b b r b r b r b r b b r b b b r r b r b r b r r r b r r b r r r b r r b r b r r
= +5

b r b r r r r r b r b b b b b b = +5

b b b r r b r b b r r b b r r r r r r b b r b b r r r r b b r r b r b b b b b b b r b b b = +5

b b b b r b r b b r b r r b r r r r r b b b b b b b = +5

b r r b b b b b b b = +5

b r r b r b r r b r b r b b r b r r r r b b r r r r r b b b b r b b r r r r b r r b b r r r b b r b r b b r r r b r r r r b b b r r b b b = +5.5

r r b b b r b b r b b r b b r b b r b r b b = +5

Highest Bet = 2u

The first 5 r/b results from each session are tracking bets - bets commence on the outcome of the 6th spin.

:)

Regards,
Atlantis.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 14, 11:28 AM 2019
Hi A,

Did you just pick red or black and stick with it throughout?

Looks excellent how it handles so many varied games
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 14, 12:29 PM 2019
(USING 1 AND 2 INSTEAD OF W/L OR R/B, IT COULD COUNT FOR ANY EC)
Quick test just to see if I'm getting it right.
Just tried flat betting to start off. Also, I got betting straight from the off
A, would you increase to 2 units when -5?

1 - bet 1u on 1
1 - win , 2u on 1    +1
2 - loss, 2u on 1    -1
1 - win, 3u on 1     +1
1 - win, 4 u on 1    +4
2 - loss, 3 u on 1    0
2 - loss, 2 u on 1    -3
2 - loss, 2u on 1     -5
1 - win, 2u on 1     -3
1 win, 2u on 1     -1
2 loss, 2u on 1    -3
1 win, 3u on 1     -1
2 loss, 3u on 1    -4
1 win, 3u on 1    -1
1 win, 3u on 1    +2
1 win, 4u on 1    +5
1 win, 4u on 1    +9
1 win, 5u on 1   +13
2 loss, 4u on 1   +8
2 loss, 3u on 1    +4
1 win, 3u on 1    +7
1 win, 3u on 1    +10
1 win, 3u on 1    +13
2 loss, 3u on 1   +7
1 win, 4u on 1     +10
2 loss, 3u on 1    +6
1 win, 3u on 1    +9
2 loss, 2u on 1     +6
2 loss, 2u on 1     +4
2 loss, 1u on 1    +2
2 loss, 1u on 1    +1
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 01:27 PM 2019
Hi BW,

I'm not using that staking plan and I track the first 5 outcomes so your results:

1  1  2  1  1  2  2  2  1  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

would give a profit of +3.

Highest bet = 1u.

A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 01:30 PM 2019
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 14, 11:28 AM 2019
Hi A,

Did you just pick red or black and stick with it throughout?

Looks excellent how it handles so many varied games

The bet is made on the *dominant* EC from the LAST 5 results on a rolling basis. Fully automatic.

A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 14, 01:43 PM 2019
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 14, 01:27 PM 2019
Hi BW,

I'm not using that staking plan and I track the first 5 outcomes so your results:

1  1  2  1  1  2  2  2  1  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2 2

would give a profit of +3.

Highest bet = 1u.

A.

Not sure how you're playing it...track 5 each time and then just bet once?

12112 bet 1u on 1?
22211 bet 1u on 2?
11112 bet 1u on 1?
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 02:11 PM 2019
My game session target is +5

Hope this explains it....

Track 5 results...
1 1 2 1 1 ------- 2  2  2  1  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -1

1 2 1 1 2 ------  2  2  1  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -2

2 1 1 2 2 ------2  1  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

2's dominate so bet 2 = WON -1

1 1 2 2 2------1  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

2's dominate so bet 2 = LOST -2

1 2 2 2 1------ 1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

2's dominate so bet 2 = LOST -3

2 2 2 1 1------ 2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

2's dominate so bet 2 = WON -2

2 2 1 1 2------1  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

2's dominate so bet 2 = LOST -3

2 1 1 2 1------- 2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -4

1 1 2 1 2--------1  1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON -3

1 2 1 2 1-------- 1  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON -2

2 1 2 1 1---------1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON -1

1 2 1 1 1--------- 1  1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON  +0

2 1 1 1 1---------1  2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON  +1

1 1 1 1 1---------2  2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +0

1 1 1 1 2---------2  1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -1

1 1 1 2 2--------1  1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +1

1 1 2 2 1---------1  1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +2

1 2 2 1 1----------1  2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +3

2 2 1 1 1-----------2  1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +2

2 1 1 1 2-----------1  2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +3

1 1 1 2 1-----------2  1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +2

1 1 2 1 2----------1  2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +3

1 2 1 2 1----------2  2  2  2

1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +2

2 1 2 1 2---------2  2  2

2's dominate so bet 2 = WON+3

1 2 1 2 2--------2  2

2's dominate so bet 2 = WON+4

2 1 2 2 2--------2

2's dominate so bet 2 = WON+5 TARGET

1 2 2 2 2-------- END

Highest bet  = 1u

A.

Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 02:19 PM 2019
I think I make slight mistake   :sad2: and the result should be + 4. But hope you get the "rolling" method from the example  ;)
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Feb 14, 02:42 PM 2019
Basically, after you've tracked the first 5 results, it is then simply continuous betting each spin... I aim for target of +5. I decide to use a modified gr8player progression with 5 steps - but you can experiment and find one that you're comfortable with. Just use a MILD progression and this method, whilst easy to learn and operate, requires patience and some waiting. Always keep track of +/- at all times.
A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 14, 02:48 PM 2019
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 14, 02:19 PM 2019
I think I make slight mistake   :sad2: and the result should be + 4. But hope you get the "rolling" method from the example  ;)

Yes got it mate. Simple when you get the hang of it. Def worth further looks
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Mako on Feb 14, 02:55 PM 2019
Seems like it would be easy to code into RX or Excel, good necro post atlantis.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Mister Eko on Feb 15, 09:04 AM 2019
Atlantis

Are you playing flat bet, or when is the time when you change your bets to 2 units?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: mommo on Sep 19, 06:13 AM 2019
Simply great positive progression system
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Let Me Win on Sep 19, 06:49 AM 2019
Yes, much better than a kitchen martingale 😂
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Normy2000 on Sep 19, 07:38 AM 2019
This Rx code follow the R/B dominant in the last 5 spins. Flat bet.  O0

[reveal]
system "Normy EC test system.dgt"
// follow the winner in last 5 hits
method "main"
begin
    while starting a new session
    begin
        call "init"
    end
    call "tracking"
end

// ------------------------------INITIALIZATION-------------------------------
method "init"
begin
    copy list [1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18,19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36]to record "RED#" layout;
    copy list [2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35]to record "BLACK#" layout;
    copy list
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Let Me Win on Sep 19, 07:56 AM 2019
Thank you for that.

Is it complicated to add the staking plan?

Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 20, 03:24 AM 2019
Thank you, Let me win for reminding me about it.
It's quite good but you need patience.
I had forgotten about this - now why did I forget?? or why would I forget it if it's that good?
I dunno and can't remember.
Hi Normy - good job on the .dgt but I had to REM this line to get it to work...?

    copy list
to record "zero" layout

to

// copy list to record 0 layout

Seemed to work oK after that!
I'd also like to check it with the prog too - if possible.

A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Normy2000 on Sep 20, 07:09 AM 2019
Hi A,

I use the record "zero" to be sure i always get 5 red/blk. (in green)
        if  record "last spin" layout is not found in record "zero" layout
        begin
            Track Last Number for record "trigger" Data times to record "tracked numbers" layout
        end
This way we wont get 2r +2b + zero = no winner and no bet...

I can add prog if it is well explain, right now, i dont get it.

Regards, Normy
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 20, 01:47 PM 2019
I altered the program line causing the error to:

copy list
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 21, 05:54 AM 2019
Hi Normy,

I use a target of +5
The bet I like to use is  series of 5 bets.
Start with: 11111

WHENEVER I reach a new high. I go back to 11111 immediately and restart the cycle of 5 bets.

If I drop 5 'points' behind my current highest bank total I increase the 'points' by +1 unit.

For instance
bet 1 = W  +1* restart series of 1's
===================
bet 1 = L   +0
bet 1 = L   -1
bet 1= L    -2
bet 1 =W   -1
bet 1 =L    -2
bet 1= L    -3
bet 1=W   -2
bet 1=L    -3
bet 1=L    -4    now 5 behind highest total - increase bet by +1u
==========
bet 2 =L   -6
bet 2=w   -4
bet 2=w   -2
bet 2=w   +0
bet 2=L    -2
bet 2=w   +0
bet 2=w   +2*    restart at 1u
===========
bet 1=w  +3*     restart
===========
bet 1=w   +4*     restart
===========
bet 1=L    +3
bet 1=L    +2
bet  1=L    +1
bet  1=L    +0
bet  1= w  +1
bet 1=L     +0
bet 1=L     -1    now 5 behind highest total - increase bet by +1u
===========
bet 2 = w  +1
bet 2= w +3
bet 2= w +5*  -  target STOP

A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Normy2000 on Sep 21, 07:50 AM 2019
May i see an example where it go up to 3 or 4 units per bet please.

And the correct line in the code (line 17) should be: copy list [number 0] to record "zero" layout

Regards, Normand
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: zorro on Sep 21, 08:02 AM 2019
Hi Normy, hi Atlantis,

I'm new to RX, would you be so kind to tell me the shortest  way to paste the copy into RX ( Designer/System Editor/...and then ???

would be great and helpful. So many thanks in advance.
Z.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Normy2000 on Sep 21, 08:54 AM 2019
Try this Atlantis

[reveal]
system "Normy EC test system.dgt"
// follow the winner in last 5 hits
method "main"
begin
    while starting a new session
    begin
        call "init"
    end
    call "win/loss"
    call "tracking"
end

// ----------------------------------------------------------
method "win/loss"
begin
    if bankroll >= record "HighestBR" data
    begin
        Put 100% of bankroll to record "HighestBR" data
        put 1 to record "Progression" data
        put 100% of record "HighestBR" data to record "5 points" Data
        subtract 5 from record "5 points" Data
        if bankroll >= 5
        begin
            stop session
        end
    end

    if bankroll <= record "5 points" data
    begin
        add 1 to record "Progression" data
        subtract 5 from record "5 points" Data
    end
end

// ------------------------------INITIALIZATION-------------------------------
method "init"
begin
    copy list [1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18,19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36]to record "RED#" layout;
    copy list [2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35]to record "BLACK#" layout;
    copy list [number 0] to record "zero" layout
    put 0 to record "red count" Data
    put 0 to record "blk count" Data
    put 0 to record "5 points" Data
    put 1 to record "Progression" data
    Put 0 to record "HighestBR" data
   
    set flag "skip1stSpin" to false
end
// ----------------------------------------------------------
method "tracking"
begin
    if flag "skip1stSpin" is true
    begin
        copy last number to record "last spin" layout;
        if  record "last spin" layout is not found in record "zero" layout
        begin
            Track Last Number for 5 times to record "tracked numbers" layout
        end
       
        if record "tracked numbers" layout count < 5
        begin
            exit
        end
       
        clear record "red count" Data
        clear record "blk count" Data
        put 1 on record "tracked numbers" layout index
       
        loop until record "tracked numbers" layout index > record "tracked numbers" layout count
        begin
            if record "tracked numbers" layout is found in record "RED#" layout
            begin
                add 1 to record "red count" Data
            end

            if record "tracked numbers" layout is found in record "BLACK#" layout
            begin
                add 1 to record "blk count" Data
            end
            add 1 to record "tracked numbers" layout index;
        end

        if record "red count" Data > record "blk count" Data
        begin
            put 100% of record "Progression" Data on red
        end
        if record "blk count" Data > record "red count" Data
        begin
            put 100% of record "Progression" Data on black
        end
    end
set flag "skip1stSpin" to true
end
[/reveal]

Zorro, in file editor, click on Files -> New. Then erase all text and paste the text from the Reveal button. Then save the file with the name you want.

Regards, Normand
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Normy2000 on Sep 21, 09:15 AM 2019
If you dont want to end the session at +5, add 2 slash (//) at line 24   
//        stop session

It work fine with live spins from Dublin  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 21, 09:17 AM 2019
bet 1 = W  +1* restart series of 1's
===================
bet 1 = L   +0
bet 1 = L   -1
bet 1 = L   -2
bet 1 = L   -3
bet 1 = L   -4  now 5x1 behind highest total (+1) so increase bet by +1u
==========
bet 2 = L   -6
bet 2 = L   -8
bet 2 = L   -10
bet 2 = L   -12
bet 2 = L   -14   now 5x2 'points' behind (-4) so  increase bet by +1
==========
bet 3 = L   -17
bet 3 = w  -14
bet 3 = w  -11
bet 3 = w  -8
bet 3 = L  -11
bet 3 = w  -8
bet 3 = w  -5   
bet 3 = w  -2   
bet 3 = w  +1* LEVEL HIGH so restart
===========
bet 1= L  +0
bet 1= L  -1
bet 1= L  -2
bet 1= L  -3
bet 1= w  -4  now 5x1 behind highest total - increase bet by +1u
============
bet 2 = L  -6 
bet 2 = L  -8
bet 2 = w  -6
bet 2 = w  -4
bet 2 = w  -2
bet 2 = L  -4
bet 2 = w  -2
bet 2 = w  +0
bet 2 = w +2* NEW HIGH so restart
==========
bet 1 = etc.............

But there might be a better way???? Or even the original way on Page 1?

The last file you asked me to try didn't work for some reason... not sure why. Could not get numbers to appear in RX when pressing 'Spin' after loading .dgt file
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Normy2000 on Sep 21, 09:22 AM 2019
Be sure your starting BR is 0, if more than 5, it wont spin...  8)
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 21, 09:29 AM 2019
Got it!

Works now.

A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Normy2000 on Sep 21, 09:47 AM 2019
To have the progression like you just describe in previous post,
Change this:
    if bankroll <= record "5 points" data
    begin
        add 1 to record "Progression" data
        subtract 5 from record "5 points" Data
    end

for this:
    if bankroll <= record "5 points" data
    begin
        add 1 to record "Progression" data
        put 100% of record "Progression" data to record "temp1" data
        multiply 5 to record "temp1" data
        subtract 100% of record "temp1" data from record "5 points" Data
    end
it start at line 28...

But i got better result the way it was.
See with the new way:


Regards, Normand
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 21, 10:02 AM 2019
Thanks very much. Was trying to curb rising progression.
That first graph is amazing. :)
Anyone else got any progression ideas?
A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Winner on Sep 21, 11:53 AM 2019
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 21, 10:02 AM 2019
Thanks very much. Was trying to curb rising progression.
That first graph is amazing. :)
Anyone else got any progression ideas?
A.
What bet selection are you using Atlantis?
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: Chris555p on Sep 22, 06:12 PM 2019
Hi Atlantis,

Assume if u are still at -10, what ur next bet size will be for the next 5 spins pls.......? Thanks


Chris
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: boyd30 on Sep 23, 06:09 AM 2019
Imagine in best case you get only two hits in five attemps. And this not in the beginning, maybe after raising the bets 4-5 times. Could this bring to a new high?Then you need a special progression.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 01:40 PM 2019
Quote from: Winner on Sep 21, 11:53 AM 2019
What bet selection are you using Atlantis?

Dominant colour out of last 5 results R/B.

A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: atlantis on Sep 23, 01:53 PM 2019
Quote from: Chris555p on Sep 22, 06:12 PM 2019
Hi Atlantis,

Assume if u are still at -10, what ur next bet size will be for the next 5 spins pls.......? Thanks


Chris


Hi Chris,

Depends.

If you start and get down 5 units from your previous highest bank you start playing at 2u.
So if you are -5 from the get go you increase to 2u
But say you started off winning 3 spin in a row -  your bank is +3; you'd need to increase to 2u if reaching -2 (5u down)

If you started off with 15 straight losses (5x1= 5; 5x2=10; total = -15) you would start playing at 3u and would only need to increase to 4u if losses went to -30 (5x1=5; 5x2=10; 5x3=15; total = -30)

I try to achieve +5 then stop.

Any time I get to level high - restart with 1u bets series.

Hope you get it! I might be overthinking it and Like I said there could be a better way...
A.
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: thelaw on Sep 25, 09:11 PM 2019
Quote from: Normy2000 on Sep 21, 09:15 AM 2019
If you dont want to end the session at +5, add 2 slash (//) at line 24   
//        stop session

It work fine with live spins from Dublin  :thumbsup:

Hey Normy,

Is this flat betting only or using a progression (if so which one?)?

Thanks! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marven's 5 Level Staking Plan
Post by: ice789 on Feb 05, 09:35 AM 2020
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