Hi.
Recently I had a very bad experience with a guy that I believed is honest and reasonable.This guy is member of this forum with nick junscissorhands.The reason why I even started conversation with him is his understanding principles of Vaddis concept.He offered Vaddis system for 5ooo$Euro and I believe that original Vadis HG worth that much.But after receiving 5000$ junscissorhands decided that amount is not large enough and he raised the price to 10000$ and than dropped it by 2500$.On the end he wanted 7500$,but its not what was mentioned in original agreement.To proof that I can provide the original e-mail conversation which happened prior that transaction.
I want everyone who will read this to consider the option of not receiving what you paying for from junscissorhands.
I said this guy was a scammer from the beginning
He is a clown
No one listens to me
It’s dead beats like this why the old posters left
Scissor hands you are a loser.
Why not just get a refund and not get the system?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 24, 08:56 PM 2018It’s dead beats like this why the old posters left
Please provide a list of deadbeats
I gave him three options.1.Fulfill his obligations regarding the original agreement.,2.If he think his system got 100% more expensive than make a refund ,because I am simply not ready for method for 10 000$.3.If he will not go ahead with option 1 or 2 than I will make the situation public to make sure there will be no more scams happening on his end at least on this forum.In reply to that he said
" Maybe i will find you my friend.
I have the resources so."
I don't really got what he wanted to say by that ,but it doesn't sound like he is planning to make any refund.
Also exactly why do you believe Vladis is the HG?
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 24, 09:23 PM 2018" Maybe i will find you my friend.
I have the resources so. Good luck with your daytime job."
Well I'm interested to see his response. Sounds like he threatened you.
Because his concept creates an enclosed system within 37 spins.This enclosed system created certain events which can be exploited.
He got reason for it.I promised to make his life miserable.While hiding under someones name I managed to gather :
His real name and real address(through international banking wire transfer).
His withdrawals transaction IDs (from his Unibet screenshots).
Even his very rear and memorable tattoo on the top of his right hand(from screenshots he sent while flashing stacks of his cash.).
The forum has become
“It can’t workâ€
And
“Message me†(aka private scam sales)
Shake my fu*king head.
Sounds like it.
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 24, 09:31 PM 2018his concept creates an enclosed system within 37 spins
That's not hard to do.
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 24, 09:31 PM 2018This enclosed system created certain events which can be exploited.
His system wouldnt be "creating" any events. It sounds like Winkel's line crossing thing. None of it changes the accuracy of predictions, so it isnt any more profitable than random bets.
Anyway that's another story.
Let's hope he does the right thing and refunds your money, especially considering you received nothing for it.
Every reasonable person with such a huge leak of personal info regarding gaming should come to his/her senses.If not - big mistake.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 24, 09:38 PM 2018The forum has become
“It can’t workâ€
And I suppose your idea of a productive forum is fairies and unicorns dancing everywhere, and everyone has the HG and wins with provably ineffective systems?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 24, 09:38 PM 2018“Message me†(aka private scam sales)
There's a forum rule prohibiting selling via PM, because that's what scammers do. Is it my fault members believe scammers in private? Is it the internet's fault that scammers exist?
The forum rules are that selling must be in the correct section, and in the open. But as per your idea of a perfect forum, we aren't allowed to say "it can't work".
So what SHOULD we say if it can't work?
Does this forum must have PM option?
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 24, 09:50 PM 2018
Does this forum must have PM option?
Many members use it because it's useful. We cant just ban it. That would be like banning email.
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Here's his profile signature:
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A bit suspicious...
The thing is he is always nice and polite .Too bad he changes his story.His real name indicates that he is asian origin.At least this is the person I sent money to.
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 24, 11:19 PM 2018The thing is he is always nice and polite
Would he get trust by being an asshole? When buying anything, focus on verifiable information rather than someone's word alone.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 24, 11:29 PM 2018
Would he get trust by being an asshole? When buying anything, focus on verifiable information rather than someone's word alone.
True
HI GUYS
ROULETTE GOST HAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT 100%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
I AM VERY SORY KANAM BUT I AM A VICTIM OF JUNSCISSORHANDS TO
I PURCHASED FROM HIM LAST MONTH A SYSTEM FOR 515 DOLLARS
I PAYED THROUGH WESTERNUNION SO I KNOW HIS COMPLETE NAME...... ADRESS
YES HE IS AN ASIAN
HE LIVES IN HOLLAND
NEEDLESS SAYING THAT I I POST THE SYSTEM I PURCHASED FOR HIM ALL MEMBERS THEY WILL LAUGH FOR THE NEXT YEAR
OF COURSE I AM CRYING FOR MY MONEY.......
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20871.msg211215#msg211215
Did you guys not read what I wrote ?
More important, don't part money to any seller of books, video or systems, or AP or roulette computers or whatever.
You have been warned.
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 25, 02:45 AM 2018
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20871.msg211215#msg211215
Did you guys not read what I wrote ?
More important, don't part money to any seller of books, video or systems, or AP or roulette computers or whatever.
You have been warned.
Yeah, those guys are total cunts. Books can never teach you anything. There's no way to beat roulette at all. There's no history of wins with AP or roulette computers. None at all. And the demos you see of them must use magnets.
He lives in holland? I live in holland!
Lets get him!
Btw, what happened to JEKBH?
HIS NAME
KA SHING KWOK
I HAVE HIS ADRESS AND A NUMBER OF TELEPHONE
MICHAEL
Any relation to the flight crew here?
KAN@AM@
- might be worth while talking to 6th to gather further information about JuneSc
- 6th mentioned that he knew someone who recently bought a program from JunSc, might be worth pursuing that lead
....Srry to hear that you have been short changed and wish you the best in recovering what you can
KA SHING KWOK
REGENBOOG STRAAT 33
3328 HS DORTRECHT
ZUID-HOLLAND
THE NETHERLANDS
Sorry to hear you lost money to this clown....
Before I discovered this forum, I lost $430 to Permutations Pro. It’s run by a guy called Charlie Barley who has videos all over YouTube. If anyone wants to see what $430 gets you, pm me and I’ll send you a link to what I received....
Quote from: poluvolo on Oct 25, 06:24 AM 2018
KA SHING KWOK
REGENBOOG STRAAT 33
3328 HS DORTRECHT
ZUID-HOLLAND
THE NETHERLANDS
Uh is that pronounced "ka-ching crock"?? Either a fake name to make fun of victims, or his parents didnt like him.
Btw chances are he has scammed before on forums. Just like the john legends, charles hampshires, etc.... many of them repeat the same crap then change names. Then their followers continue looking for the secret long after theyre back with another name. Ive explained it many times because i can do ip activity traces, but some people thought i was lying and just trying to censor the hg.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 07:11 AM 2018
Uh is that pronounced "ca-ching crock"?? Either a fake name to make fun of victims, or his parents didnt like him.
Btw chances are he has scammed before on forums. Just like the john legends, charles hampshires, etc.... many of them repeat the same crap then change names. Then their followers continue looking for the secret long after theyre gone. Ive explained it many times because i can do ip activity traces, but some people thought i was lying and just trying to censor the hg.
No, I think sounds like cok or choke!
How about the "Win 3 million now" scam?
How so many people fall with so blatant deception, I get it, when there is something they WANT to believe then reason steps aside!
The level of ignorance in some people is truly astounding. To the point where i can't understand how they function daily. Seriously. I just don't get it.
I mean it's ok to not understand some things. But to have it spoon fed and still reject it, and even attack the person explaining blatant truth, is strange.
Anyway i didn't think the scammed people have much chance of getting money back. Your best chance is report to your local police, with each report giving details of others that were scammed. The police are useless though. You have to really persist if you want them to get off their asses. Police are to protect the system that enslaves you, not to protect you. Most police don't even understand that.
I mean sure police can protect and serve you sometimes, but that's not their primary function.
Quote from: poluvolo on Oct 25, 06:24 AM 2018
REGENBOOG STRAAT 33
Regenbogenstrasse -> rainbow street
Essentially internet forums are dying off
They are littered with undesirables and sellers. As well as people looking for scouts to check wheels for them
Can’t talk about strategies anymore
Nothing matters and nothing can work even if results are positive. Why fight that uphill battle anymore?
It’s sad actually. But hey, it is what it is.
Look at GF. That’s top of the food chain for undesirables and it’s really sad.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 07:11 AM 2018
. ..i can do ip activity traces, but some people thought i was lying....
Ofc you can
You have access to PMs
Simple solution that for some weird reason(we all know) you refuse to accept -
More important, don't part money to any seller of books, video or systems, or AP or roulette computers or whatever.
You have been warned.
You are only paying money because it’s not good enough to make money.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 11:35 AM 2018
You are only paying money because it’s not good enough to make money.
"not good enough" is an overstatement
Trash is about right :thumbsup:
When an infection of ignorance runs it's course, the system junkies become low hanging fruit for the gypsies and scam sellers. If the Junscissorhand scam seller didn't take all of your gambling bankroll then you can bet another gypsy will take the rest. ::)
My suggestion, learn the basics. Read on the history of the game. Learn some basic probability and listen to the experts.
Ghost,
Pay close attention, because this could easily have been you that lost the money.
False, loser. I wouldn’t pay money,
Especially that kind of money for “vaddi holy grail†bullshit
Go back into the hole you crawled out of General.
You only fall into my description in this thread. You tried to sell a book. Because what you say you do doesn’t work. The book would have been more profitable. Spill the beans loser.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 01:24 PM 2018
False, loser. I wouldn’t pay money,
Especially that kind of money for “vaddi holy grail†bullshit
Question, what makes you think the Vaddi is bullshit but the "trot" or "grassroots" isn't? ::)
Nothing can beat the house edge/math
Some methods work better than others
Never play with money you can’t afford to lose.
Play for a statistically insignificant number of wins
Have fun and eat good food
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Oct 25, 02:02 PM 2018
For my part, I know very badly what happened to Kanam.
It is very sad that someone cheats on you in that way, but sometimes you pay attention to those who are really scammers and to whom we are not, they say scammers are to know us about anything.
I wish he had trusted me and not him, I would not have cheated him and I would have taught him how to win.
I did not send anything to that person, Ami years ago the same thing happened to me with an Italian, I sent him money and he sent me a system crap, then he told me that he had something better and he sent me another one that did not work until the game and I saw that I only took my money, so I said that I would never cheat anyone because I know what it is, but nobody paid attention to me and they believed Jun and now look, we already know who is a scammer, EL.
They can not tell me, I do not sell to anyone and when they do they can tell me.
I hope you can get your money back and next time trust someone who really is serious.
Greetings: thumbsup:
Sergio takes a lot of shit on the forum, some of it deserved as he likes to parade his "charts" around, but I've never heard of anyone having been taken advantage of by him, or money exchanging hands with him that went wrong.
Sorry Kanam, no fun for sure, but don't worry, you're a student of the game and you'll find a way to make back the loss in the longrun. :thumbsup:
Also Caleb, come on, no need to pick on RG.
Frankly some of the people who give RG grief (like Ken, Nathan, and most of that old crew) I doubt actually play systems that are dramatically superior to anything RG is doing...
If it's not AP/VB, it's fallacy, and if it's fallacy, then we're ALL in the same boat.
Claiming you have a suite on the Titanic versus the people below in steerage isn't going to make a difference at the end... :xd: (not you Caleb, talking about the aforementioned group).
Quote from: Mako on Oct 25, 04:52 PM 2018
Frankly some of the people who give RG grief (like Ken, Nathan, and most of that old crew) I doubt actually play systems that are dramatically superior to anything RG is doing...
Bingo
They play methods as well
Their chips are at the same house edge on the mat mine are
The old crew is the old crew cause their spent
RG, you criticize Caleb for being negative. Isn't saying "a winning method doesn't exist at all" even more negative?
Rather than say nothing works, is it more accurate to say some approaches do work in the right conditions? You keep changing your mind. You recently said this about a method that is guaranteed to lose, but you dont understand why:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 07:37 PM 2018
This method works fine
Wins a lot more than it loses
With discipline it’s a sure shot.
It’s time consuming. So $1 units isn’t worth it
Then you also said:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 09:26 AM 2018Nothing matters and nothing can work even if results are positive.
You need to understand even random bets can win sometimes. And with progression, most systems will win for a short time. If lots of players do the same, the overall result is a loss. That's the same as the same player doing it repeatedly. Short term wins doesnt mean the system has a legitimate edge. How you cant understand this is beyond me.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 01:47 PM 2018Some methods work better than others
You are not understaning most "systems" are a collection of random bets - with random bet types and bet amounts. It doesnt matter what the player thinks the patterns are, or how elaborate their bet selection or progression is. What separates one system from another is the odds of winning (based on amount of numbers covered) and amount bet.
For example, consider a system that bets only 1% of bankroll. It will "survive" a long time, and an inexperienced player would say "it lasts a long time and is therefore better than the martingale", when actually it's the same shit. Maybe you understand such a simple example, but you don't understand more complicated systems are the same shit too. That's why you say "some systems are better than others".
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 01:47 PM 2018Play for a statistically insignificant number of wins
Have fun and eat good food
What you described is gambling on a night out with friends. Very different from a serious approach to beat the casino.
Quote from: Mako on Oct 25, 04:52 PM 2018Also Caleb, come on, no need to pick on RG.
He isnt picking on him. RG attacks Caleb a lot more than the other way around.
Quote from: Mako on Oct 25, 04:52 PM 2018Frankly some of the people who give RG grief (like Ken, Nathan, and most of that old crew) I doubt actually play systems that are dramatically superior to anything RG is doing...
I dont think anyone believes nathan or ken have anything better. Or maybe they do. After all some believe in flat earth.
Quote from: Mako on Oct 25, 04:52 PM 2018If it's not AP/VB, it's fallacy, and if it's fallacy, then we're ALL in the same boat.
This is often misunderstood. WHATEVER method you use, you MUST increase accuracy of predictions to overcome the unfair payout. There is no way around that. It is not specifically that anything other than VB etc is fallacy. It is the belief you can win with crap like repeaters that's fallacy. It's very easy to prove, but many people struggle with it.
Kanam are you still in contact with scissors? Has he flat out refused to return money yet, or not responding? I doubt he'll be around again - at least not under the same unsername.
Hi never touched the subject of refund even when I asked for.You might be interested to see this:
Question:
"Jun,let get is strait.After receiving 5000$ for the system ,which was an original price agreed on,you over the sadden decided that it worth more for at least 2500$.And now you want me to pay you another 2500$ to get what I already payed for?Or I get it wrong?"
Answer:
"Exactly, the first part was a deposit."
Your only conversation from now on should be: Just send me back my money. You are trying to cheat me. I received nothing for my money.
Questions:
Did he send you ANYTHING for your money?
Do you have saved a full transcript of your conversations with him?
At the beginning of our conversation he said that I will have full system which guarantee profit within 37 spins.But when he had to explain more than just law of the third( which Vaddi explained for free) he wrote that his system worth more than 5000$ and he would like to receive another 5000$.A bit later he dropped that 5000$ to 2500$.After he this that I asked him to fulfil his original obligations or make a refund.Otherwise he will be exposed on the forum .
* Check if there is a civil tribunal for dispute resolution in Holland. Initiate a dispute, and they'll send a summons to him. It will be an easy case to resolve.
* Report the matter to western union.
* Report to the police. And keep persisting with them because they are shit and lazy.
Exactly where did your conversation take place? And is there any record?
Good idea.
I got all records of the conversation and it was done througt email from the very beginning to the end.
I've now added this text to the top of the personal messages area:
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It may help some people, but there will be the occasional member who says i'm just tying to beat my "competition".
Kanam, honestly i'm not sure what's a bigger problem. You being scammed, or you still thinking the system you attempted to buy actually works.
Anyway let's hope the big red warning will help some people.
Most likely this sign will make members more cautious.
If I will ever be in possession of the system that creates profit in every 37 spincycle , than I will announce that its possible, but will never try to sell it.I believe that Vaddi created HG because he never made an attempt to cash on it.He actually refused to sell it.
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 25, 11:23 PM 2018
I believe that Vaddi created HG because he never made an attempt to cash on it.He actually refused to sell it.
Common sense tells us whoever can win at roulette will
NEVER sell it
Don't be the fool to believe the sellers shitty story
True they may never sell it... unless they have something even better. Then to maximize their revenue from their best method, they're best to both use it themselves and license it... just like I do :thumbsup:
Interested players can see all the proof they want including on any wheel. They can even test themselves free, so theres no need to rely on trust.
Keep trying luckyfella.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 26, 01:03 AM 2018
True they may never sell it... unless they have something even better. Then to maximize their revenue from their best method, they're best to both use it themselves and license it... just like I do :thumbsup:
Interested players can see all the proof they want including on any wheel. They can even test themselves free, so theres no need to rely on trust.
Keep trying luckyfella.
You are butthurt so it must be working
Oh yes, Steve is another seller
$80k for a money making roulette computer, your dream atm machine :thumbsup:
Hurry while stock last !
You're confusing my technology with blue angel's $2 or so amazon ebooks, which unfortunately arent worth the bandwidth cost to download.
You've got no idea about much and i dont have time to educate you.
This topic was open to prevent potential money loses,not to insult each other.
I have been trying to help. Read back. Lukyfella just came to troll. He didnt like being igored so reposted. Blue angel acted like his fallacy ebooks for sale are better than my technology.
There's a difference between responding to attacks with explanations that some find inconvenient, and trolling.
Perhaps I should be more vigilant when people are obviously looking for trouble. Trolls make it a personal mission whether their arguments are screwy or not. Its different to unbiased discussion.
Anyway if scissors still refuses refund, best pursue options i listed.
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 27, 11:59 AM 2018
This topic was open to prevent potential money loses,not to insult each other.
I know.
A big issue with this forum...and others is that every post starts as multi colored paints dripped into a white base.
By page 3 they are all the same dull grey.
And so im taking a harder stance against trolls. If anyone is clearly trying to start trouble or annoy someone, report them.
It isn't a license to cry about someones opposing opinion, or someone not believing you. Just when it's obvious someone gets off on the drama, and can't act like an adult, they'll be warned and ultimately moderated. For more blatant cases, there won't be a warning.
Ill write a clearer set of guidelines for mods.
It will be nice to participate in positive and productive conversations without unjastified accusations.
Does this pic look real?
And this?
And this?
And this?
All these pics from Junscessorhands.I wonder if this is money that he won from casino or money that he scammed from other fellow players.
Could be drug money too or even cash after a week close of a store. ...could be anything. Girls like to show of with their bodies, guys do it with cars and money. Dont get fooled.
Take care
The tattoo is fake and so is the rolex
So is the money.
I made a video of $50k cash count to make fun of a scammer that made a video of much smaller amount. Cash display is a scammer trick. So is showing things like expensive cars that are probably hire cars. Real proof is testing before buying, not multiple photos of the same cash in different places. Cash probably from his life savings, of scamming people.
Kanam you are wasting time and need to report the scam as suggested.
I am in the process of reporting JUnscessorhands as international scammer to his local police department.
What about this?
They will probably tell you to report to your local police first, then it will be referred to them. That's how most international complaints are handled. It will easily be forgotten unless you follow-up to ensure they get off their ass. I've been through it before, been scammed many times.
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 29, 05:42 PM 2018
What about this?
Seriously Kanam. "What about this??" Why are you still asking?
Don't you think such crap is easily faked? Don't you think a scammer would use those methods because they are easily faked?
Even his signature says dont be so naive.
you got the point.
on other hand ,than more examples of scaming materials players will see ,then more cautious they will be with their money .
Most people need to learn for themselves. I was once scammed over about a 5-year period by one guy. And I didn't believe people warning me, until it was way too late. Then I became one of the people warning others. I warned one guy who got really offended and basically acted as if I was a terrible person for speaking against what appeared to be a really nice and religious man. The scammer had him fooled too.
I learned a lot from it. One of the lessons was how nice some guy seems means nothing in business. Maybe you now learned that too. One of the first times I had lunch with him, he paid from a huge wad of $100 bills from his pocket. Even back then I thought it was a bit like showing off, but I dismissed it because he seemed really genuine. It's a long story. If I ever find him, I'll cave his head in. I ended up finding his daughter but it wasn't her fault her dad is a piece of shit. Rather than hassle her I decided to let it go.
Anyway back on track, follow all the avenues I suggested. Ive been through all the reporting processes a few times.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 29, 06:15 PM 2018
Most people need to learn for themselves. I was once scammed over about a 5-year period by one guy. And I didn't believe people warning me, until it was way too late. Then I became one of the people warning others. I warned one guy who got really offended and basically acted as if I was a terrible person for speaking against what appeared to be a really nice and religious man. The scammer had him fooled too.
I learned a lot from it. One of the lessons was how nice some guy seems means nothing in business. Maybe you now learned that too. One of the first times I had lunch with him, he paid from a huge wad of $100 bills from his pocket. Even back then I thought it was a bit like showing off, but I dismissed it because he seemed really genuine. It's a long story. If I ever find him, I'll cave his head in. I ended up finding his daughter but it wasn't her fault her dad is a piece of shit. Rather than hassle her I decided to let it go.
Anyway back on track, follow all the avenues I suggested. Ive been through all the reporting processes a few times.
Really honest of your experience Steve ..and tbh anyone with a hg would not sell it
They wouldn’t have to
I wouldnt sell a HG, as in give anyone access to the secrets. At least not until I'm finished with it.
If I had the HG, I would both use it myself, and look at ways to code it into software that others could use then pay you part of winnings or an ongoing fee. This would maximize revenue, which is why I do it with my technology. If you play only by yourself, your revenue is limited. You cant just win $1m overnight and expect no problems. Using teams is a much better option, if you can maintain secrets. But it's still not the HG. If this could not be done without risking the secrets, I would exclusively use it myself.
Saying if something worked it would not be sold at all is incorrect. But if its something like an ebook that contains the HG that beats all roulette, real wheel and RNG, that's just asking for trouble if you think its not a scam.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 29, 06:15 PM 2018Anyway back on track, follow all the avenues I suggested. Ive been through all the reporting processes a few times.
Did you ever got your money back through these procedures?
Well Kanam, thanks for having lived this, I will not need to walk the same path.
Silverthorne is way cheaper, by the way!
Anyway, it's ok to pay for some stuff, just for the heck of learning tactics and find new avenues. I did spend a few bucks for books on Amazon. Although some claimed to explain revolutionary unfailable method, aka HG, I never believed them but was curious about their ideas. 10$ here and there.
But 5000$! I mean...
I wish you good luck with this.
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Oct 29, 08:29 PM 2018Did you ever got your money back through these procedures?
Once, yes. Other times, no. If you have details like the scammer's real name and address, and you have clear records of the conversation, there's a good chance of getting somewhere.
Check your pm in a few minutes as I need to explain something that will help. I'm sure scissors is reading. I emailed him a few days ago but he hasn't responded. Pretty clear scammer wants to run with your money.
Most likely he is here under different nickname.At least he can't make his tricks here anymore.
For all we know he could have scammed under a different name before. Anyone new could come here or on a forum and say they have the HG, and usually there are a few people who believe it. Ive been scammed before too so I cant say I was any smarter back then. But you learn some good lessons.
Anyway its not over. I suggest focus on the approaches I explained without delay.
Scissors, you're a piece of shit. Not a man.
Well.Its will stay on his conscience.