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Title: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 02:41 PM 2018
I am raising my hand against any kind moderation. Here the moderation means controlling your speech by the admin.

Any member can go against the forum rule and admin can do their job. I would say ban would be good  for specific time depending on each case.

Why not moderation?

Cause in this way some people got right to control your speech. In some cases intentional delay is made to reach your speech to the people .

Lets assume  a moderated member is sending some info which may be related to true HG. Why the info should stuck in admins hand and need his/her permission to get through just bcz he has done something wrong before.

A moderated  person might have a say.we need to hear it as well.

I can see a lot of people got warning level( 30% moderation ) stick to their profile for unlimited time. Why these has not been taken down?

I seen in moderation thread someone modrated /banned with no end time.

Why is that? Bcz he used double abusive language. Punishment should be double specific time. Shoudnt it?

Or just bcz he insulted mod he got no end date ? And in case of  general member insulting there is specific time.

We definitely want to hear from moderated member without anyones approval. Speech doesnt need permission. If anyone breaks the rule he should come back with free speech after specific banned period without begging anyone to release his/ her speech.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Mako on Nov 21, 02:58 PM 2018
Madi I like your posts, and I like how you look at the game.

And usually I would be in the "free speech" corner, but not here.

There's a phenomenon in Roulette forums where the 'losers' (people who have yet to find a winning or break-even method of play, and have thrown a large amount of money away trying) take out their anger and frustration on those who are still experimenting with new ideas.

It's tiresome, counterproductive, and needless. 

So even just for that single reason alone, the moderation changes are welcome. 

But, that's not the only reason...all you have to do is spend some time at GF to see what a lack of moderation gets you. ENDLESS ego challenges, insults, distracting arguments that have nothing to do with the game, and just general douchebaggery.

We have good people here, most of whom contribute in a positive way.  The enhanced moderation helps keep it that way, and I feel Turner is doing a good job at it so far.  I haven't seen a case where I thought "ooooh, that was a big harsh", or anything close.

I appreciate where you're coming from, but again, If you read any thread, any thread at all at GF, you know exactly what a lawless wild west of non-moderation winds up devolving into... :xd: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 03:26 PM 2018
I have been a member at GF from last two years.

I am not promoting lawlessness. I am agianst that.

I am saying about short ban instead of moderation. Moderation is just slowing down your speech  intentionally .

I have been there and thats a brutal dictatorship .that is another lawless teritorry. There is lot inside that.

A short ban depending on cases will reduce admins power dramatically and his workload will be less
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: RouletteGhost on Nov 21, 03:51 PM 2018
The lawlessness at GF is unhealthy for any forum

Moderation needs to happen when forum integrity is at stake

It’s not a free speech issue. A platform to be an ass hole does NOT have to be provided. You are free to leave a forum that’s moderated and post on a forum like GF, or create your own

OP is wrong and can create his own forum.

If you don’t like the rules set forth by a forum owner don’t post.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 03:52 PM 2018
Quote from: Mako on Nov 21, 02:58 PM 2018





The enhanced moderation helps keep it that way, and I feel Turner is doing a good job at it so far.  I haven't seen a case where I thought "ooooh, that was a big harsh", or anything close.

:xd: :thumbsup:

You got very  less idea about inside. I am giving you an example.

Read rule number 8.

Then. What? You will find one of steves mod got at least 2 id and using very often like a boss.

But unfortunately you wont have that courage to raise this matter infront of everyone.sorry
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 04:02 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 21, 03:52 PM 2018You will find one of steves mod got at least 2 id and using very often like a boss.
Well, Iggiv isnt usually here, so that leaves myself.

Can you elaborate please, because I have never had a second name in this forum...ever.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 04:11 PM 2018
There is no need to  do moderation. No need to beg to mod or ask permission for ur speech. There need to be time limitation. No unlimited . A short ban may be key. A moderated person must have a say  after moderated. Why his good speech is slowing down
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 04:12 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Nov 21, 04:02 PM 2018
Well, Iggiv isnt usually here, so that leaves myself.

Can you elaborate please, because I have never had a second name in this forum...ever.
From mpr
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 04:15 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 21, 04:12 PM 2018

From mpr

I said elaborate, not make it even more cryptic.

Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 21, 04:24 PM 2018
Exactly what do we moderate here?

Should we allow blatant trolling and deliberately inflammatory behavior?

If you have something fair to say, it won't be moderated.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 04:25 PM 2018
Mod for mpr has got two id. Do i need to indicate two id as well or you can have those?
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 04:35 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 21, 04:24 PM 2018
Exactly what do we moderate here?

Should we allow blatant trolling and deliberately inflammatory behavior?

If you have something fair to say, it won't be moderated.

No one saying to allow. The process is to make painfull waiting to get approval . Person can have say against you that you deleted his necessary post during moderation time. We cant hear that. And specifically need timeframe which is unfair
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 04:48 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 21, 04:35 PM 2018
No one saying to allow. The process is to make painfull waiting to get approval . Person can have say against you that you deleted his necessary post during moderation time. We cant hear that. And specifically need timeframe which is unfair

I can guarantee all posts are let through on a moderated person unless they break rules or they continue with exactly what they were moderated for.

Read this carefully, because it is true

People who are moderated are usually moderated because of the defects in their personality, be that ego problems, hatred of authority, jealousy etc

Because of that, I usually get insulted for several posts, then it stops, and I mean stops.

Because of their personality defects, they cant have their posts monitored, so they stop posting.

What you think is me deleting all their posts is them stopping posting.

Some never get it. If you post normal, I let it through.

Some wont ever get it like Lucky7Red, who is still posting insults about me that get deleted. He hasnt posted one decent post since moderation.

One more insult and he is banned.

Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 05:04 PM 2018
I got you turner. Did you got the person i mentioned. ? I will wait to see update in your thread. Thanks
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 05:08 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 21, 05:04 PM 2018
I got you turner. Did you got the person i mentioned. ? I will wait to see updated in your thread. Thanks

Obviously you mean Taotie. He was Skakus here for years but that account is dead....Bombus elswhere

Taotie posts with many IPs. All legit, all from Australia.

He isnt associated with any other name. One slip up is all it takes where a VPN user forgets and it is caught in our records.

That inevitably happens. It has happened perhaps 5 time that i know of.

Taotie is Taotie and no one else

We have no way of detecting a link between users if their 2nd names are on a VPN

Ive known him a long time. I like him... I have a similar sense of humor, but he is more bold  ::)

IMO, his wide range of posting (including wind up merchant) leaves me wondering why he needs a 2nd name when he just posts what he feels like posting anyhow.....no holds barred.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 21, 05:15 PM 2018
Can anyone honestly say they were moderated without breaking the rules? If so, let me know details and I'll check the deleted posts.

Can anyone identify any part of the rule they don't agree with?

It's easy to criticize. But be honest with yourself, and you'll likely find all rules are balanced and justified for a productive forum, and the only posts that get moderated are because of of the rules. They arent nazi rules. They're very simple and fair.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 05:22 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 21, 05:15 PM 2018They arent nazi rules. They're very simple and fair.
And posted for all to see
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: -Katalyst- on Nov 21, 05:55 PM 2018
FairPlay Turner - keep it up  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 06:13 PM 2018
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Nov 21, 05:55 PM 2018
FairPlay Turner - keep it up  :thumbsup:

LOL...now I am worried

I do a full absolve of Taotie and then someone from Australia pops in and thanks me



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Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 06:15 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Nov 21, 05:08 PM 2018
Obviously you mean Taotie. He was Skakus here for years but that account is dead....Bombus elswhere

Taotie posts with many IPs. All legit, all from Australia.

He isnt associated with any other name. One slip up is all it takes where a VPN user forgets and it is caught in our records.

That inevitably happens. It has happened perhaps 5 time that i know of.

Taotie is Taotie and no one else

We have no way of detecting a link between users if their 2nd names are on a VPN

Ive known him a long time. I like him... I have a similar sense of humor, but he is more bold  ::)

IMO, his wide range of posting (including wind up merchant) leaves me wondering why he needs a 2nd name when he just posts what he feels like posting anyhow.....no holds barred.

Oh. This answer is likely . I dont mind. I got screenshot with time but i wont upload . Bcz next ans would be any person can get two id with admins permission.

A better idea. U guys can easily see when “bombus” just log in. Or can ask any member if they saw in recent past.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 06:19 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 21, 06:15 PM 2018Bcz next ans would be any person can get two id with admins permission.
Thats a big fat no

If I see someone with 2 names I politely ask which one they want to keep so I can ban the other. Its not allowed at all. Period

PM me the suspect names
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 21, 06:40 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Nov 21, 06:19 PM 2018
Thats a big fat no

If I see someone with 2 names I politely ask which one they want to keep so I can ban the other. Its not allowed at all. Period

PM me the suspect names
You can go to leaderboard  and can have as much as you want
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 21, 06:50 PM 2018
Madi, the leaderboard is nothing to do with forum, IMO.

But Taotie or is it Bombus or whatever aka's he's had; do you remember i got moderated for a picture i put up of what Taotie was and soon got pulled down

Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 21, 07:05 PM 2018
Of course...moderated notto....stick to what you are great at. Being open about how you play
That fits in great with how this forum should be

Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 21, 07:24 PM 2018
Turner if i post that pic how long got before you remove
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Herby on Nov 22, 03:35 AM 2018
I've been  reading more than 15 years in several forums.
So I can say some types of people are the same everywhere.

About 1% of the people are to a degree of illnes self over esteemed.
They have to be moderated .

Since moderation this  forum tends to be better.

Turner does his job superb.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 22, 04:08 AM 2018
Thanks Herby, the cheques in the post O0
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 22, 04:52 AM 2018
Quote from: Herby on Nov 22, 03:35 AM 2018Turner does his job superb.  :thumbsup:
Turner does an excellent job.

Money in the bank
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 22, 12:42 PM 2018
You have just been sent a personal message by luckyfella on #1 Roulette Forum Message Board.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

Hi Madi,
I got moderated by Steve to silence me forever. Read my last few posts that got me moderated.
I knew Steve will moderate or ban me for making those post he calls 'trolling'.
Thats bullshit !
Raise my case if you want a real case of abuse of moderation power by Steve.

Reply to this Personal Message here: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;f=inbox;pmsg=50136;quote;u=6734
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 22, 12:44 PM 2018
This man have a say. I never thought that this will come .
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: RouletteGhost on Nov 22, 01:28 PM 2018
Moderating makes this forum much better

It is not a free speech issue. A forum has a clear set of rules. If you disagree then post elsewhere or make your own forum

Steve does not have to provide a platform for what he does not want to
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 03:57 PM 2018
What a load of childish crap from luckyfella. Ive never moderated anyone who wasnt clearly breaking the rules. And they knew what they were doing.

Luckyfella will have known better. Him not being grown up enough to admit his fault is not an abuse of power. Just claiming it was is a childish rant.

If anyone wants to push any mod, knowing theyre breaking rules, they get what they expect. So dont cry about it.

Luckyfella if you can abide by simple rules you dont need moderation. But dont blame others for your conduct.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 22, 04:11 PM 2018
Steve you can reconsider your decision. These are also member may be a bit deviated. They may correct themselves. Still u got the same power for next time. Thansk

Rest is your decision
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 22, 04:15 PM 2018
Lucky

I just raised the matter to steve . If he consider you to come back with full free writing thats  good for you. Just dont let me down otherwise i wont be able help others to come back iin a positive way. Stay positive and contribute in a positive way if you can.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 05:04 PM 2018
Luckyfella, you were moderated because you kept trolling me, saying things trying to annoy me. What did you expect? Are you saying you said those things without such intent? It wasnt just one post - it was a few and you didn't want to let it go, probably because you werent getting the reaction you wanted.

I dont like to have to moderate. It just creates work. I've removed the moderation. Please understand I don't see myself as above you or any member. And you can give fair criticism where its due. But I'm not going to tolerate blatant bullshit and attempts to annoy any member, including myself.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 22, 05:12 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 05:04 PM 2018
. I've removed the moderation. Please understand I don't see myself as above you or any member. And you can give fair criticism where its due. But I'm not going to tolerate blatant bullshit and attempts to annoy any member, including myself.

Best example of “fair go”.👍
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 06:45 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 22, 04:15 PM 2018
Lucky

I just raised the matter to steve . If he consider you to come back with full free writing thats  good for you. Just dont let me down otherwise i wont be able help others to come back iin a positive way. Stay positive and contribute in a positive way if you can.
Thanks Madi
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 06:50 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 05:04 PM 2018
Luckyfella, you were moderated because you kept trolling me, saying things trying to annoy me. What did you expect? Are you saying you said those things without such intent? It wasnt just one post - it was a few and you didn't want to let it go, probably because you werent getting the reaction you wanted.

I dont like to have to moderate. It just creates work. I've removed the moderation. Please understand I don't see myself as above you or any member. And you can give fair criticism where its due. But I'm not going to tolerate blatant bullshit and attempts to annoy any member, including myself.
Clearly, I don't agree with you and Caleb (AP) of your constant activity to derail system threads.
You have explained your reasons.
You have put up warning banners.
It's best both of you stop that annoying activity.

Turner and you should put Caleb on moderation if he continues to do that.

IMHO.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 07:07 PM 2018
I dont care if you don't agree. It just means you haven't tested properly. It's not something to argue about. The test results are what they are. But thats not what you were moderated for.

Caleb is allowed to point out truth. If anyone thinks he is over the line, let me know personally and ill explain my decisions.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Taotie on Nov 22, 07:10 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 21, 06:15 PM 2018U guys can easily see when “bombus” just log in. Or can ask any member if they saw in recent past.

Madi, I did play mpr as taotie but that account got fried when the game rebooted, so now I play mpr as bombus.

I've got a few other accounts on mpr for doodling around and stuff, but I haven't touched them since creating the bombus account. I only play as bombus now.

Sometimes when I have a large and complicated bet on the table and the game freezes I will open an incognito window and log in with another account. By logging in another account and clicking ready it gets the game going again so my bombus bet resolves. Then if the game stays glitchy I will keep the second account open and clicking ready for a while, but if the game frees up I close the second account.

There you go, MPR hack for you guys.


Anyway, what is all this about? I've not done anything to you have I?
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 07:43 PM 2018
Do you know what happens to cause a freeze? Like someone logging in or out? If we can replicate a problem, it is easily fixed. Otherwise the programmer would just take guesses. I have not been able to replicate freezes. The only time Ive seen them is like when the programmer is working on the game.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 07:54 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 07:07 PM 2018
I dont care if you don't agree.

I don't care if you don't agree too.

It just means you haven't tested properly.

To ME this is nonsense.

It's not something to argue about.

I agree we should not argue.
We have to agree we disagree on this point.
The persons who continue to argue(troll) is you and Caleb.


The test results are what they are.

The test results prove me right.

But thats not what you were moderated for.

I agree. It was a below the belt punch in retaliation.
I apologise for this.


Caleb is allowed to point out truth. If anyone thinks he is over the line

Caleb is way over the line(troll) for posting the same sarcastic posts and gifs in many systems thread. You have to be blind if you don't read them. Turner just have to be brave and upright to put Caleb on moderation even he knows that you don't agree.
If he does that he gain my respect.


, let me know personally and ill explain my decisions.

I have already pointed Caleb out to both you and Turner.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 08:15 PM 2018
Lucky, is the solution of a mathematical equation an opinion?

If YES, then when does 1 + 1 = 42 depend on opinion?

If NO, then what equation and solution are your referring to? ie what test results are you referring to? (the one that proves you right)

Answer the simple questions, and we'll see who has the problem.

And dont go on about how im losing sales and trying to hide the truth etc etc. Computers arent at all relevant here. Its an argument narrow-minded and uneducated people use when their logic is incorrect.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:21 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 08:15 PM 2018
Lucky, is the solution of a mathematical equation an opinion?

No. It is not an opinion.

If YES, then when does 1 + 1 = 42 depend on opinion?

If NO, then what equation and solution are your referring to? ie what test results are you referring to? (the one that proves you right)

I will not post the equation and solution on forums.
I have posted the basis of the equation on this forum, you just have to find it.
If you disagree with the basis that I posted I am prepared to point you wrong.

Most people ignore my post. Only the very few found it useful. Read my pm.

No surprise that very few understand and appreciate the math.

Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:37 PM 2018
This is the approach that is based on math. The actual design will never be posted on forums. Forget about accusing me of sales and scam. It won't happen.

If anyone has specific questions that need clarification I am prepared to explain when I have the time. But not reference to my systems design.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20854.msg211069#msg211069

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15824.msg212022#msg212022
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 08:41 PM 2018
Luckyfella, perhaps you misunderstood my question. I was just asking what testing you have done.

Now I see you posted RS results over 272 spins.

And the links with your post has many mistakes and misunderstandings.

But I'm not going to argue further. Happy winnings.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:50 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 08:41 PM 2018
Luckyfella, perhaps you misunderstood my question. I was just asking what testing you have done.

Now I see you posted RS results over 272 spins.

I agree 272 spins is too small a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusion. The graph is a sample reference of what is possible. It is never meant to be the empirical evidence to substantiate the design.

And the links with your post has many mistakes and misunderstandings.

This is the trolling insinuation  activity I strongly disagree to.

Since you make such a claim the onus is upon you to prove it.

Until and unless you have provided proof to substantiate your OPINION it means nothing - I don't have to respond.

It is only your status as owner of this forum that I respond to your useless OPINION.


But I'm not going to argue further.

We should stop this argument.
It is up to you and Caleb.


Happy winnings.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 09:00 PM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:50 PM 2018This is the trolling insinuation  activity I strongly disagree to.

It is not trolling to tell you there are mistakes.

Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:50 PM 2018Since you make such a claim the onus is upon you to prove it.

I've lost count of the number of times I clearly explained:

a. Why approaches like you described dont work.
b. How everyone can properly test it for themselves. So they know its not opinion.

Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:50 PM 2018Until and unless you have provided proof to substantiate your OPINION it means nothing - I don't have to respond.

As above. I guess you either missed or didn't understand it.

Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:50 PM 2018It is only your status as owner of this forum that I respond to your useless OPINION.

My responses wouldn't be any different on another forum. Truth doesn't change between forums. You don't have to treat me any differently to any other member. If you were around for the past 10 or so years, you'd know I don't shy away from criticism even on my own forum.  I have nothing to hide. Last time I posted on another forum though, all I did was tell the truth and the admin added the banner "compulsive liar" to my name - because it revealed his deception and misconduct. Then he removed my posts from the thread, on an "uncensored" forum.

Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 08:50 PM 2018We should stop this argument.
It is up to you and Caleb.

You see it as an argument. I see it as me trying to explain what you clearly don't understand.

But I've been where you are before. I am no better. I'm just at a different stage. The difference between perhaps me and the typical system player is that, in less time, I wanted the truth no matter how brutal. It took me years to wake up and properly understand, and that was with very intense studying and testing. It really shouldn't have taken me that long, but I was stubborn and willfully ignorant.

You see my responses as trolling. But really, Im trying to help. Not necessarily you - just everyone who wants to learn.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:10 PM 2018
 Steve, don't waste your time posting a wall of text stating your OPINION.

Post the relevant MATH to substantiate your claim of "mistakes and misunderstanding".

I will respond if you do that.

MATH is all I want to read.

You and Caleb can continue your 'trolling help' activity on systems threads.
I had my say. I 'm done, spent too much time on nonsensical stuff already.
Thank you for allowing that.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 09:30 PM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:10 PM 2018Post the relevant MATH to substantiate your claim of "mistakes and misunderstanding".
I will respond if you do that.
MATH is all I want to read.

Your problem is not just with math, but also with logic. Examples:

QuoteOfc it shows variance is a huge monster that kills your br

Variance is not what kills your BR. It's that the payouts are unfair.

QuoteReconfigure your understanding of LIMIT
Example
If you are betting opposite red=black, don't think of how many total consecutive reds
Instead think of how many consecutive blacks

The odds of red or black spinning next are 18/37. It's irrelevant how many consecutive reds or blacks there are.

If you want proof, just test lots of spins where there are lots of consecutive blacks (or reds), and see the frequency red or black spins next or anytime soon.

This has been tested exhaustively. It's a very old fallacy.

Quote(minimum gap is one example, google to read up on TGs work)

Gaps don't change the odds. And there are no limits to random. It's like a bell curve, where you can look at a group of spins and see the distribution. Then you might conclude there's a limit.

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/11/22/source0782c.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Fwz9A)

But test a larger sample, and the amount of possibilities just move with the sample size.

Saying "random has limits" is like a dog chasing it's tail, but the tail is just too short no matter how quick he turns.

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/11/22/source925b5.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/F0OsS)

But if you want it expressed as math, then it's simple: on the european wheel there are 37 numbers. Only 1 wins per spin. There's a 1 in 37 chance of winning.

On the second spin, there's a 1 in 37 chance again. If a different number spins, then on the 3rd spin, there are 2 numbers that recently won. Then there's a 2/37 chance that one of those numbers will repeat, and so on. The math is really simple. But people make big elaborate systems around what are really simple things, mostly because they think they see patterns that arent really there.

For example... the law of third. That's not a pattern. It's like saying in 100 spins, there are around half-half reds/blacks. They think it's "predictable". And sure it is. But the predictability is because there are the same amount of red/black pockets. You cant use that to change the frequency of wins. And because the payouts are short, you still lose.

It has been explained many times. In terms of math and logic. How it is not understood by ow is beyond me. And now that I've explained it, again, you'll go back to what you were doing before as if it was never explained.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:34 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 09:30 PM 2018
Your problem is not just with math, but also with logic. Examples:

Variance is not what kills your BR. It's that the payouts are unfair.

The odds of red or black spinning next are 18/37. It's irrelevant how many consecutive reds or blacks there are.

If you want proof, just test lots of spins where there are lots of consecutive blacks (or reds), and see the frequency red or black spins next or anytime soon.

This has been tested exhaustively. It's a very old fallacy.

Gaps don't change the odds. And there are no limits to random. It's like a bell curve, where you can look at a group of spins and see the distribution. Then you might conclude there's a limit.

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But test a larger sample, and the amount of possibilities just move with the sample size.

Saying "random has limits" is like a dog chasing it's tail, but the tail is just too short no matter how quick he turns.

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But if you want it expressed as math, then it's simple: on the european wheel there are 37 numbers. Only 1 wins per spin. There's a 1 in 37 chance of winning.

On the second spin, there's a 1 in 37 chance again. If a different number spins, then on the 3rd spin, there are 2 numbers that recently won. Then there's a 2/37 chance that one of those numbers will repeat, and so on. The math is really simple. But people make big elaborate systems around what are really simple things, mostly because they think they see patterns that arent really there.

For example... the law of third. That's not a pattern. It's like saying in 100 spins, there are around half-half reds/blacks. They think it's "predictable". And sure it is. But the predictability is because there are the same amount of red/black pockets. You cant use that to change the frequency of wins. And because the payouts are short, you still lose.

It has been explained many times. In terms of math and logic. How it is not understood by ow is beyond me. And now that I've explained it, again, you'll go back to what you were doing before as if it was never explained.
I agree with what you posted above.
Nothing new.

I do not use any of the usual stuff you posted above.
It's silly of me if I did.

I repeat - post the relevant MATH, besides those that's widely known, to substantiate your claim.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 09:47 PM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:34 PM 2018I agree with what you posted above.
Nothing new.

Yet that contradicts with what you said earlier.

Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:34 PM 2018I do not use any of the usual stuff you posted above.
It's silly of me if I did.

Again a contradiction.

Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:34 PM 2018I repeat - post the relevant MATH, besides those that's widely known, to substantiate your claim.

I already posted the math. It being widely known doesn't change its validity. If anything it should make it more pertinent.


Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:51 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 09:47 PM 2018
Yet that contradicts with what you said earlier.

Again a contradiction.

I already posted the math. It being widely known doesn't change its validity. If anything it should make it more pertinent.
I am done with your useless opinion.

No further response required.

Have a good day sir.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 10:10 PM 2018
I only hope others can follow the conversation and learn from it.

Earth is flat.... no it's not..... prove it..... here you go...... I never said it was flat...... yes you did, here's exactly what you said..... that's your useless opinion, conversation over.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: The General on Nov 22, 10:29 PM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 09:10 PM 2018
Steve, don't waste your time posting a wall of text stating your OPINION.

Post the relevant MATH to substantiate your claim of "mistakes and misunderstanding".

I will respond if you do that.

MATH is all I want to read.

You and Caleb can continue your 'trolling help' activity on systems threads.
I had my say. I 'm done, spent too much time on nonsensical stuff already.
Thank you for allowing that.

Lucky,

We're not your enemy.  You're kind of missing the point.   We're just trying to show you the math and facts.  We did our best.  Contrary to popular believe, I'm not the international sales rep for "It doesn't work."   Sometimes I speak up, sometimes I don't.

Regardless,  there are plenty of people that would love to tell you that you're wrong on the wizardofvegas forum too.  Lots of unbiased mathematicians are waiting for you there.  See if you can convince them that they're all wrong as well, or perhaps listen to their point of view and learn something.


Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: The General on Nov 22, 10:39 PM 2018
Why does Luckyfella remind me a bit of Albalaha?
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 10:43 PM 2018
For the record, it silly to suggest that I disagree with what math says.
It's plain silly and stupid to argue about math.

Math is fact based.

Not an opinion.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 10:44 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 22, 10:29 PM 2018We're not your enemy.

Yes. Also Lucky don't take it personally. Sincerely I don't want to appear like I think I'm better than you or anyone, because its not what I think. I do however have reason to believe I know more about the topic. Remember we all started much the same way. But seriously its not genius complicated stuff.

And it's not about opinion (said that countless times now). The math is not an opinion. Really Im just trying to help. The discussion only goes wayward when you start saying crap like "ah you're just selling stuff".
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: The General on Nov 22, 10:45 PM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 22, 10:43 PM 2018
For the record, it silly to suggest that I disagree with what math says.
It's plain silly and stupid to argue about math.

Math is fact based.

Not an opinion.

Is there something in particular that I've said that you disagree with?  The reason I ask is because I don't recall discussing much with you in the past.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 22, 10:59 PM 2018
General

I got a question for you. Some of the member at GF play different system and they  do upload their system. But i have never seen to raise a single word?
Why r u so scared to critisize them?
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: The General on Nov 22, 11:08 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 22, 10:59 PM 2018
General

I got a question for you. Some of the member at GF play different system and they  do upload their system. But i have never seen to raise a single word?
Why r u so scared to critisize them?

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I guess because some of those bitches scare the shit out of me.  :xd:
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 22, 11:23 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 10:44 PM 2018
Yes. Also Lucky don't take it personally. Sincerely I don't want to appear like I think I'm better than you or anyone, because its not what I think. I do however have reason to believe I know more about the topic. Remember we all started much the same way. But seriously its not genius complicated stuff.

And it's not about opinion (said that countless times now). The math is not an opinion. Really Im just trying to help. The discussion only goes wayward when you start saying crap like "ah you're just selling stuff".
Steve, as owner of this forum I have a question for you.

Why do you have a systems forum given your position with it ?

I am not disagreeing with your point of view about systems.

I find it strange that you have to go on threads to post those wall of text on chosen systems threads.

It is a glaringly strange contradictory position that you may want to explain yourself.

To better understand you. I try to hold back my bias opinion to hear you out.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Madi on Nov 22, 11:24 PM 2018
General

Dont forget to get a nappy before you log in.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 22, 11:59 PM 2018
Lucky, this is a roulette forum.  But unfortunately truth isnt always convenient, understood or popular.

And theres nothing wrong with prison bitches. You know at least they wont have a headache. You see scary, i see opportunity from starvation.

The gf crowd are mostly rejects from other forums. It reflects the quality of discussions, and the admin.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: The General on Nov 23, 12:31 AM 2018
Luckyfella,

Just curious,  where or when I have trolled you? 
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 23, 09:40 AM 2018
I know the mods will be on this thread, so I'll ask here:

could it be possible to raise the maximum attached file size?
1,5Mb is rather small for complicated Excel sheets.

Possible to allow .xlsm docs too ( Excel with macros)?

And to allow files to be attached in PMs?

Thanks
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Turner on Nov 23, 01:01 PM 2018
Its a Steve thang
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 23, 02:14 PM 2018
Macros can be viruses and appear on website scans. I cant allow them.

For larger files please use a file sharing service because the server runs on an ssd drive. Its faster hosting but has limited space.
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 23, 04:06 PM 2018
Alright!
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Nov 23, 04:27 PM 2018
For me is a very strange feeling, looks that some guys here simply not want to win...
Are simply moment - if want to win must do something, if not then not win, are some axiom. But you not do that and even more fifght against that...where is the reason for that?
Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 24, 05:38 AM 2018
Madi the three forum experts looking for their next victim; Vultures waiting to pick apart a system; General, Steve and Taotie.

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Title: Re: DO YOU HAVE A SAY
Post by: Steve on Nov 24, 05:44 AM 2018
I apologize notto. Youre right. We should never say random accuracy bets doesnt work. How dare we.