Gzgzbee
Not forgot you.
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Today's game. Collecting more info. won all bets.
10L, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10L, 10w, 10L, 10L,
10L, 9,10w, 8, 9, 8, 10L, 8, 9, 10L,
7, 9, 8, 10L, 10L, 10L, 9, 8, 9, 8,
9, 10L, 10w, 9, 9, 10L, 9, 9, 10L, 9,
8, 9, 8, 8, 8, 9, 10L, 9, 10w, 9,
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Notto,
I have my coding skills ready! You get my PM?
Nice chart! 👍
HI Gz
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Running about the same as yesterday. But at the new high spin 77 i was understaked also at the high at 173 was again understaked, my mistake. But still able to get new highs.
GzgzBee don't look back in anger, you'll get it.
Notto,
The draw downs/bank roll drops look garrish and the current progression doesn't enable you to win dirt... even if you win.
Try flipping the progression upside down. Run an up as you win progression. It will work much better for you.
Here's why:
1. Your starting bet can be much larger enabling you to win far more than you currently are when you're lucky. The drawdowns will be far less severe and in better balance with your wins. (The occasional big win is better than the crumbs)
2. You won't need to risk a ridiculous amount of money to win a puny amount of money.
3. You won't look as much like a newb when you gamble.
Why would i read what you post, i started to read 1st line and could see it's wasting my time looking further.
So don't post here anymore as your be wasting your time.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 27, 01:47 PM 2018
Why would i read what you post, i started to read 1st line and could see it's wasting my time looking further.
So don't post here anymore as your be wasting your time.
Good luck Notto. You're going to need it. :thumbsup:
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Job done in under 20 spins
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General another win and #11 came as Harvan71 left
How many times have we said words similar to "instead of jumping around trying every new system, test and master the one system you feel is strongest to see where its highs and lows are over time and devise a way to play it"...
Notto keep it up, you're doing great. :thumbsup:
General would you have had a bet yet?
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Hi Notto.
Looks good.
Do you have RX ? If not maybe you should have a look at it.
It's a great tool for testing.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you shogun, but i like to know what happens in short runs, so it's over 40 to 60 spins, those averages behave perfect.
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This is on the gold standard MPR, oh yeah Random.org numbers. ( must finish the 1000 random.org games and show the data is the same as the other non-hit time tables)
You see start is 27864 and ends 27964, i'm 1 unit down as bet #'s 15&20 when it should have only been #15.
I won't spell it out but the 10L i won on clue #27
I stopped on the repeat of #33 as 9/10 is most common, time i took the screenshot another #33, did make me laugh.
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Not good luck Notto but goodnight General i think
Hey Notto I respect your work so much 8). The system? We wait for 10 numbers and we start betting on those 10 for 10 spins right? it should repeat a number in 8/10 times? Please answer :D
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Could the two experts answer. Yes.
1 pocket to many or cause and effect.
Dream on
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Ricochet100
You bet spin 1 then spin 2 stop on a win.
So Vaddi; magic #8 ?
So you need to increase if no repeat by spin 7, if you play just 8 and the repeat happens break even.
On sheet you see 8 in 1st block of 10 spins we got 2 repeats, the average is 1 repeat 9/10; so when the 8 repeated on spin 9 you would have bet Vaddi's way 8 spins total 36 units, so breakeven. But we want to make a profit.
So use the prog: 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3; here you would have total 44 unit out, return 72
Next block of 10 spins gave 9/10 #30 repeats, 15 units bet, win 36 +21;so you stop betting, see out the 10 spins.
What a start. Win +35; stop see out the spins.
Why, because 9/10; 1 repeat is most common.
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So 10 spins end 9/10; just 1 repeat
#5 is the 1st bet
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Ricochet100
See the method
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its to easy for the experts
So if we lose a block of 10, we bet those 10 numbers and it should hit. So do we use a progression? If we lose a block of 10 we are down -92 units. How do we proceed after losing a 10 block?
Thank you. Great work
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Hello Notto
This looks like another really strong system and I look forward to playing it. However, wasn't this all discussed in the thread 'Best Clue to Win' which you took down a couple of days ago?
Just a quick question, what if you bet on 10 spins using the progression 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3 and you have no repeats, therefore a loss for the 10 spins. On the next game do you increase those original progressions to make up for the loss on the previous game?
By the way, I'm currently recording the results of 200 games of KTF. I played game 71 this morning. When I have completed 200 games I will be sharing the results on the forum. KTF is such a strong system.
Anyway Notto, thanks for sharing this system. Look forward to playing soon.
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Gzgzbee there's a good win on #24, remember look back in anger pun
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General got to go to bed. More than one way to skin a cat
This is last reply tonight.
Someone asked about the prog's.
This is where it started to see the best of 3 ways. Answer in 62 days.
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So 26.11.18 new high, so drop back to unit of 1; another win +21 more units.
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Nice steady game.
There's a reason for the dip. So here you go General; it's looking back for a losing 10 (10L)
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So look back as quoted in earlier posts. Spin 65 win +156; so we see out the spins to 71.
Spin 71 is bet and we start to descend. At spins 71-80 we have 10L.
Here is where you’ll need to decide how you carry on. So let’s assume you have a Turbo bank roll; take a thousand units to win a thousand.
The losing 10#’s are 4-6-29-8-0-15-5-3-36-30; you know you lost the 10spins as spin 81 is #31.
So look back there’s a losing 10 (obvious), now you bet the losing 10 with the prog: going to 4 units on the 10#’s and bet the #31 with the single unit.
I’ll move along and at spin 86 you’re betting the losing 10 and #’s 31-20-21-22-33-17; Zero hits and wins. The zero is from the losing 10; so a win, but we’re still down to the high of spin 65.
Now look back 10 spins 0-17-33-22-21-20-31-30-36-3; so here is another losing 10#’s, so you bet these 10#’s with single unit and bet also 31-20-21-22-33-17-0; so 10 singles and another 7 single making some of the 10L have 2 units on. Next number to hit is #30, which is one of the losing 10; so win spin 88 a new high to spin 65, now +162.
Now if you look back 10 spins there’s only 8 losing #’s, so you only have to bet spins 81-88 with 2 units and lose, so re-bet last 9#’s with 2 units and win #22. New high +200
So you see looking back you can find 10 losing #’s.
Here’s the warning, could a losing 10, lose for another 10spins, answer yes. But is it a rare event?
You have options here, do you commence betting the found losing 10 straight off; or wait some spins, remember you’ll be betting in a block of 10 spins anyway.
So how far would a losing 10 take to win, would you wait 5 spins or bet for 5 spins, this is where your experience of play comes into the game.
Code that then :thumbsup:
onward we go
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Turbo's grand just made it :lol:
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9-8-9-9-8-8-7-10L-9-9
9-10L-8-8-9-8-10w-7
BBB 10L should come to the 8-2 ratio ?
Hello Notto, thank you for the explanation and clarification. Take a look at this numbers: 9 sessions, +65 Units. Am I on the right path? :D Thanks for the system.
27
6 -1
23 -2
18 -3
35 -4
18 -5 +36
+21
8
16 -1
17 -2
5 -3
31 -4
12 -5
34 -6
31 -7 +36
+8
36
14 -1
4 -2
2 -3
33 -4
28 -5
4 -6 +36
+15
11
18 -1
9 -2
17 -3
11 -4 +36
+26
35
13 -1
23 -2
34 -3
5 -4
36 -5
4 -6
21 -7
6 -16
10 -18
2 -27
-89
10
12 -1
19 -2
26 -3
26 -4 +36
+26
19
31 -1
3 -2
34 -3
12 -4
7 -5
7 -6 +36
+15
8
16 -1
11 -2
18 -3
30 -4
3 -5
36 -6
10 -7
15 -16
18 -18 +72
+10
27
16 -1
16 -2 +36
+33
Quote from: Ricochet100 on Nov 28, 12:47 PM 2018
Hello Notto, thank you for the explanation and clarification. Take a look at this numbers: 9 sessions, +65 Units. Am I on the right path? :D Thanks for the system.
27
6 -1
23 -2
18 -3
35 -4
18 -5 +36
+21
8
16 -1
17 -2
5 -3
31 -4
12 -5
34 -6
31 -7 +36
+8
36
14 -1
4 -2
2 -3
33 -4
28 -5
4 -6 +36
+15
11
18 -1
9 -2
17 -3
11 -4 +36
+26
35
13 -1
23 -2
34 -3
5 -4
36 -5
4 -6
21 -7
6 -16
10 -18
2 -27 -30
-89 -92
10
12 -1
19 -2
26 -3
26 -4 +36
+26
19
31 -1
3 -2
34 -3
12 -4
7 -5
7 -6 +36
+15
8
16 -1
11 -2
18 -3
30 -4
3 -5
36 -6
10 -7
15 -16
18 -18 +72
+10
27
16 -1
16 -2 +36
+33
-92 for a losing 10
Looks good
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Profit on all today.
Gzgzbee you could record jackpot247 its on sky 176 after midnight.
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 10:55 AM 2018
Never mind Steve's system challenge, I'd be impressed if even one of the HG claimers could even beat the MPR! LOL!!! :twisted:
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General still the starting bankroll unlike Bombus your mate. Nice win rate
MPR :smile:
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Winnings on MPR goes with R-sim
Is this thread about a version of KTF? If so, which version?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=21079.msg213213#msg213213
I posted this on the other thread.
I give you guys an important pointer.
You may bag easy wins betting from spin1.
At the same time your bets will be fully exposed to potential sleepers that can damage your br.
Your graph shows that clearly.
Don't start betting too early.
If you read the relevant thread that discussed this topic in detail you will find part of the solution has already been found by the earlier group of members a few years ago.
The purpose of the OP of that thread is to point members to the easy part of the solution.
The key part of the solution about how not to bet too early is a stumbling block to them. And still is today.
Solve that and you get the complete solution.
Note - I did not post the link to the thread. If I did some members will be angry with me I want no part of that.
Just be resourceful to search this forum for this popular thread - not difficult to find it.
Watch this video.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=21079.msg213116#msg213116
First understand the math - it can be a challenge for those without math background or formal study in statistics.
Look up Khan academy videos to learn more about the basic math of distribution.
After you have learnt the math, then comes the hard part.
Figure out how to apply this math to your systems play.
If you successfully do that, you have solved the key part of the solution above.
Your systems play must have math as the basis of your design, always remember that.
Good luck. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Ricochet100 on Nov 28, 12:47 PM 2018
Hello Notto, thank you for the explanation and clarification. Take a look at this numbers: 9 sessions, +65 Units. Am I on the right path? :D Thanks for the system.
27
6 -1
23 -2
18 -3
35 -4
18 -5 +36
+21
8
16 -1
17 -2
5 -3
31 -4
12 -5
34 -6
31 -7 +36
+8
36
14 -1
4 -2
2 -3
33 -4
28 -5
4 -6 +36
+15
11
18 -1
9 -2
17 -3
11 -4 +36
+26
35
13 -1
23 -2
34 -3
5 -4
36 -5
4 -6
21 -7
6 -16
10 -18
2 -27
-89
10
12 -1
19 -2
26 -3
26 -4 +36
+26
19
31 -1
3 -2
34 -3
12 -4
7 -5
7 -6 +36
+15
8
16 -1
11 -2
18 -3
30 -4
3 -5
36 -6
10 -7
15 -16
18 -18 +72
+10
27
16 -1
16 -2 +36
+33
Do you prefer to be up 50+units with a loss of under -20 on that bad spin sequence, or
you are now up +65 with that loss of -89 ?
***don't ask me to show you how to do that. Learn the math properly, then figure how to apply it to optimise your bets. Be prepared for lots of hard work with learning and finding out facts - in short educate yourself. Don't start if you are not prepared to put in the time and hard work.
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***don't ask me to show you how to do that. Learn the math properly, then figure how to apply it to optimise your bets. Be prepared for lots of hard work with learning and finding out facts - in short educate yourself. Don't start if you are not prepared to put in the time and hard work.
My I ask, what is your connection to Diksexlic, if any?
I have asked what system this tbread is about. KTF? Do you have any comment on that?
Still
Have you looked at the non-hit time tables ?
Quote from: Still on Nov 29, 01:01 AM 2018
My I ask, what is your connection to Diksexlic, if any?
None
I have asked what system this tbread is about. KTF? Do you have any comment on that?
KTF thread - bet on unhits after 10spins.
This thread - bet on hits to repeat from spin2 for 10 spins with notto's progression.
No comment.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 29, 03:46 AM 2018
Still
Have you looked at the non-hit time tables ?
You mean the stats you've been showing? Pretty sure. You would be under, or over average on any given Sunday. Do you play the averages?
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Is this thread about a version of KTF? If so, which version?
Nothing to do with KTF. It's what the averages in the non-hit time tables show.
The averages for repeats are 1,3,5,7 and 30
So this topic is all about the repeat in 1st 10 spins; the most common for 1st 10 spins is 9/10; So with 1 repeat the most common, when the repeat happens stop see out remainning spins
So did you tape jackpot247 GzgzBee
Well this is result for 1st 10 spins today
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Oh look its a 9/10
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All 3 columns keep going up up up... 8)
Sorry Notto - I’m still confused about what happens when you loose a block of 10 (down 92 units).
How do you approach the next block of 10? Do you do it with an increased progression?
Thanks Notto - I appreciate you sharing your systems.
Jono
On the above sheet; it shows 3 betting methods.
1. Is a flat bet using 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 if you lose this prog: you’ll be -55.
2. This prog: we could say is flat bet as well as it uses 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3; this is a -92 loss
But you could take that loss and start the new 10 spins using the above. Or?
3. Use the 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3 if lose raise by 1 unit to 2 units 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-6 if lose again raise by unit of 1 again.
So on the sheet above you can see it lost the opening 10 spins, so all 3 betting methods lost. The next day the betting methods all lost again. Now you can see the first two ways lost their flat bets; but the third way, where you raise by unit of one, lost 184 units; so the next day it will raise another unit to 3 units.
On the third day we see the opening 10 spins won. It won with 8#’s repeating. 1st option breaks even; 2nd option wins +28 and 3rd option wins 84 units, 3 times the flat bet option. So; all of the 3 options are showing negative profits.
The 1st 2 options just flat bet. The 3rd option carries on at 3 units. It will stay at 3 units until showing a profit to the bank roll, unless there’s a loss at 3 units, then you up to 4 units; keep adding if a loss happens and no new high to the bank roll. When new high is achieved drop back to unit of 1.
The new high for option 3 was achieved on the 27.10.18 if memory is right I think it was +3 units, enabling the next day to be bet with unit of 1.
At the bottom there are 5 cells colour coded and on the 14.11.18 the opening 10 spins lost. You can see it won with unit of 4; purple. You can see it still was not at new high as it had to use 5 units. You see using the 5 unit gained a new bank roll high on 26.11.18; the next day wins using a unit of 1.
Jono i did the above in word encase timed out and see General nosing about.
If he comments you can take or leave the above, up to you.
General you still looking
Thank you. I appreciate the comprehensive reply Notto. I will try out the progression of increasing 1 unit after a 10 spin loss (2-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-6 etc). I will let you know how it goes and share the results on Monday.
By the way Notto. I just played my 76th game of KTF. When I have completed 200 games I will share the results on this forum (KTF thread). KTF is a solid system. I don’t know if I’m just being lucky but after 76 games the system is proving to be very resilient .
Thanks again Notto
Rather than counting how many games you've played, count how many bets that you've placed.
Then calculate the expected win and how many standard deviations you are above/below
Good luck. :)
Absolutely, I’m counting games, spins, repeats etc. After 76 games I’m up to about 600 spins.
I try and play one or two games a day so it could be two or three months before I post results.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 29, 02:35 PM 2018
The averages for repeats are 1,3,5,7 and 30
I didn't get this.
In the first 10 spins, average repeat is 1.
What is the 3,5,7 and 30?
Spin 1-10: 1 rep
Spin 11-20: 3 rep
21-30 :5 rep
31-40 :7 rep.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 01, 04:49 PM 2018
Spin 1-10: 1 rep
Spin 11-20: 3 rep
21-30 :5 rep
31-40 :7 rep.
Thanks. Kinda thought, but the "and 30" threw me off.
Usual at 60 spins is 50/50; so 30 repeats and 30 non-hit.
If you have watched or played to 40th spin, how many non-hit have hit?
So say LOTT has happened that will be 23 or 24 or 25 non-hit have hit.
Now you have 20 spins to find between another 7-6-5 non-hit.
So think 20 spins betting 7 #'s or 5#'s, have you looked to what these non-hit have as average to hit and what their known max spins are.
Yesterday on jackpot247, Gzgzbee could tell us if he watched or taped the show how many non-hit hit after spin 40?
Well there was a total of 56 spins.
Game started 8/10; at 40th spin we had 25 non-hit's, and by spin 56; 30 non-hit had happened.
So 16 spins and 5 non-hit happened.
Easy really.
Gzgzbee
Here are today's numbers from jackpot247.com
But first here is the non-understood TROT; after spin 10
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So you see the non-hit took 1 spin each for the first 5 non-hit after spin 10.
What is the average to hit for non-hit up to the 19th non-hit; answer 2 spins.
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Oh yeah General i spent all day making these up, so you can say curve fitting. Funny thou how your posted star burst spins went along to the averages very well.
Hi
I am attaching 20 games (200 spins) of Notto's repeater system (sorry, I'm not sure of the name??)
Over 20 games, I finished 106 units in profit. At game 12, I was 142 units ahead but by game 18 I was down -238 units. However, I got repeats in the next couple of games and was able to finish with a profit of 106 units.
I used Notto's suggested progression below. Hopefully this is correct. Let me know if I have got it wrong.
Progression one: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3
Progression two: 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-6
Progression three: 4-4-4-4-4-4-4-8-8-12
Progression four: 8-8-8-8-8-8-8-16-16-24
Whenever I had 10 spins with no repeats (loss) i moved on to the next progression. I stayed on this progression until my bankroll reached a new high and then I went back to the lowest progression. The highest progression I reached was level four. See attachments below.
If you're interested, I have attached a scoresheet. Feel free to use.
Please correct me if I have used incorrect progressions.
Thanks to Notto for sharing the system!
Jono
I just +1 on a loss and reset at new high, not 1-2-4-8
But that could be okay. The other day i had on MPR, 3; 10L then 2 win another 2;10L then another 2 wins, then another 2;10L then it just gave 9/10's and 8/10's and a new BR was achieved.
With a BR on MPR of 30'000 and still the original starting BR intact, it rides those 10L's easy.
But remember the expert Steve, according to him i'm losing.
No worries Noto.
Can I please confirm the progressions should actually be:
Progression one: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3
Progression two: 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-4
Progression three: 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-5
Progression four: 4-4-4-4-4-4-4-5-5-6
Not a problem. I will play another 20 games using this progression. I will post the results again. All good practice.
Thanks again Notto
I track with this fancy piece of paper.
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1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3
2-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-6
3-3-3-3-3-3-3-6-6-9
and so on
Thanks for clarifying Notto.
As soon as I get the time, I will record another 20 games. Thanks for the table too Notto :).
Jono,
Just for the heck of it, try turning your progression around. Increase it as it wins rather than as it loses. You won't win as frequently, but when you do the wins will be much bigger.
Good luck. :)
Quote from: The General on Dec 03, 02:27 AM 2018
Jono,
Just for the heck of it, try turning your progression around. Increase it as it wins rather than as it loses. You won't win as frequently, but when you do the wins will be much bigger.
Good luck. :)
General,
i thought you are not fan of progressions!
but i still like your idea on flipping the progression up down..
a more satisfactory version would be : flip a coin before each spin, if head increase your bet, if tail decrease it.
J247
Bigbroben, ignatus, Steve, SamNL, MartyV, The General and 19 Guests are viewing this topic.
Love it the experts are viewing
I am not an expert!
I agree with the positive progression, though.
If the 1,1,1,...,2,2,3 play with 10 nrs is to be won more often than not, why not try a pos prog then?
Not us, but Steve and sidekick General.
Quote from: The General on Dec 03, 02:27 AM 2018
Just for the heck of it, try turning your progression around. Increase it as it wins rather than as it loses. You won't win as frequently, but when you do the wins will be much bigger.
Are you sure it's a good idea?
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This one: 50 wins back to back.
Cherry picking, but hey!
O0 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 03, 03:40 AM 2018
General,
i thought you are not fan of progressions!
but i still like your idea on flipping the progression up down..
a more satisfactory version would be : flip a coin before each spin, if head increase your bet, if tail decrease it.
Roulettebeater,
When playing biased wheels I usually do play a progression. (An up as you win, down as you lose.) Edge/expectancy x confidence level in playing conditions = bank to bet ratio. In a pinch just bet 1% to 2% of your bankroll at each spin. By using such a progression you can turn a small bankroll into a vast amount if you have an edge because of the compounding interest like effect. If you'd like to try it on a biased wheel stream then I can post a simulation for you. What I don't like though are up as you lose progressions because mathematically they don't make sense, and you can't win dirt with them. If you're already at table max or trying to stay under the radar then you can't always use a progression. Also if you're playing VB it's more complicated because you're often betting larger on some spins than others based on the quality of the prediction.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 03, 08:31 AM 2018
Are you sure it's a good idea?
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This one: 50 wins back to back.
Cherry picking, but hey!
O0 :thumbsup:
Bigroben,
I hope that's working better for you and you guys have fun with it. :)
So General should we start a fund to give to you for making this the HG.
Jono did you win with J247 #'s today
Quote from: The General on Dec 03, 01:58 PM 2018
Bigroben,
I hope that's working better for you and you guys have fun with it. :)
I could also cherry pick the other way:
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But in the end, it's about: Sky's the limit or the Pit is bottomless.
Sorry Notto and General - I haven't played yet. Monday yesterday and busy at work.
I will try and play another 20 games tonight. It would be interesting to flip the progressions. I'll see how it goes.
I'll be back later with a shit hot idea
Mako and BBB plus Jono get your thinking caps on.
... I'm so excited. I can't wait! Where are you taking us? I brought my bathing suit just in case.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 04, 01:10 PM 2018
... I'm so excited. I can't wait! Where are you taking us? I brought my bathing suit just in case.
Bro it's not that brilliant after all.
I tried bringing the repeated #'s from the blocks's of 10's; It's stayed infront but better to just bet for that 1 repeat in the 10 spins.
The repeat in 10 spins
4 hottest
and 36*1-5-25 have got me to 2nd spot; by betting for repeats.
In the real world i'd watch the trot pick up a bet whether for non-hit or repeat knowing 1-3-5-7 and 30 happens
Jono Rheti ask's when do i bet ? Turbo said bet every spin Oh yeah from GF
Looks a good set of live spins
Make it concrete:
Here's a set of Spins from the first of June from Wiesbaden.
When do i bet ? and How much ?
1
20
0
28
28
26
14
15
7
23
15
36
13
27
32
3
5
0
16
19
16
15
14
8
35
9
4
25
9
6
4
1
24
35
35
4
26
0
35
22
15
8
13
7
33
29
5
15
26
18
22
11
2
14
33
36
13
36
21
30
12
35
11
30
11
5
5
33
26
28
26
14
29
9
22
26
31
32
3
23
17
7
10
9
2
28
35
28
6
36
31
2
22
15
24
30
36
21
13
29
11
2
10
12
9
23
0
15
1
3
3
15
34
33
29
36
35
5
15
22
17
34
11
13
19
3
9
19
33
20
31
7
32
1
18
1
8
10
18
33
25
15
0
34
36
9
1
12
2
35
19
35
28
25
36
24
4
23
32
9
24
17
6
29
6
8
17
32
2
2
35
21
26
11
3
14
3
6
7
11
8
9
5
9
15
19
22
25
9
2
24
24
16
27
20
7
28
5
13
28
8
I bet this is what you were hoping to see?
The above nrs, neg prog:
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Positive prog:
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Or flat:
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You choose.
Bro you're a star :thumbsup:
Sorry Notto I get fairly busy during the week so I haven't been able to respond.
Anyway, I just finished another 20 games (200 spins) using the slightly milder progression which you suggested. Please see below. As you can see, I went up and down a fair bit.
My lowest point was at game ten when I was at -231. However, by game fifteen I was at +72 units. I kept playing and by the end of game twenty I was at -2. I will record another ten games over the weekend and see how it goes. Maybe I should try a slightly more aggressive progression?
Sorry Notto, I don't have an answer to the question you asked on the earlier post.
I was reading Big Bro Ben's post and he looks like he has achieved good results.
Notto, I'm off to record the results of game #80 of KTF - What a system...!! I'm trying to break it but not having much luck....
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 05, 02:51 PM 2018
I bet this is what you were hoping to see?
What a stud... :love:
Do this attached set Ben, see which of the 3 bets does best for it.
Bro you've started something now
Could you run these thru :thumbsup:
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Quote from: Mako on Dec 05, 03:50 PM 2018
Do this attached set Ben, see which of the 3 bets does best for it.
I'd say: flat!
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Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 04:09 PM 2018
Could you run these thru
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Unless you guys wanted games on 200 spins?
I kept the same parameters as earlier.
Ben, thank you buddy, perfect. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 27, 12:38 PM 2018GzgzBee don't look back in anger, you'll get it.
Do you remember this quote?
This could be playing with fire; get your fingers burnt.
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So you have the #'s above.
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Here are spins 1-10 and it's lost; spin 11 is spin 1 for the next 10 spins.
The question is do you give up on these opening 10 spins
So remember the quote above "don't look back in anger", you'll get it.
What do i mean look back. These spins aren't dead you've played them. So the question is do you carry on betting these losing 10 #'s. Will your BR let you bet for another 10 or 11 spins?
There's info on non-hits and how many hit in 37 spins.
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Carry on with a bit of faith and you've won.
Now the look back part. If you look back from spin 12; you can see where the repeat came from and now you have 7 losing #'s, that have not repeated.
The question is do you now bet these 7#'s at the same time of betting spins 11-20
Now if you'd bet those 7#'s you have won.
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So now look back to see if there's a losing 10. No there's only 3#'s; so you carry on betting spins 11-20.
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So as you're betting spins 11-20 you have to keep looking back; for a losing 10#'s or bet the 10 #'s back from the win on #8. It gets heavy keep looking back but they are repeating
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So you had faith in betting the losing 10#'s win with #0; so you are now at the same position of spins 1-10 a losing 10/10
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Carry on with prog: and you win.
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Now if you look back from the winning number, you can see another block of losing 10#'s.
It's your decision whether to bet these losing 10#'s or just carry on betting 21-30
But do remember you could get your fingers burnt.
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So win in 1st 10; see out the 10 spins and watched for a losing 10#'s; #14 back
Now betting these losing 10#'s at the same time as spins 11-20; win with the #12 and then just bet spins 11-20 when #14.
Just watching for losing 10#'s at the same time of betting in the present block of 10.
So back to the Generals gold standard MPR.
No one is on so lets presumme the numbers haven't moved.
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So look to #14 there's 5#'s, commence betting spins 21-30; when the 1st #12 hits spin 24; theres 10#'s but the 12 is one of that 10#'s, so look back there's 7#'s, so bets gone, but we are betting in spins 21-30 and win.
Now do past spins mean nothing?
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 07, 04:52 AM 2018But do remember you could get your fingers burnt.
Remember the above. Just picked up a losing 10 and commenced betting, took 25 spins. So bust, but laid the full amont other next few spins and lost just 20 units.
So you'll need big BR.
Hi notto,
first of all i want to say thanks for your system.
Im played it in the last 2 weeks, with surprising results. i will post a report of my games once the number of my played games are relevant.
Im playing your system 1-10 in a different way you posted it.
I start with your progression (1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3) but im stopping at first win (im not going to bet until the end of 10 spin block).
For example if im having a repeat at 4th spin, my progression is 1-1-1-1 -> win (+36 u - 10u (4 +3+2+1bet) )= +26 unit
After i have a win, i start a new game with the next sequential spin i get from roulette.
In this way, the spin's blocks im going to play are not fixed to 10# but they can change related to where (and when) my win happens.
Of course, if no repeat in 10 spins, i get a lost, and start a new game with +1 progression (so 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-6).
What do you think its more profitable ?
Stopping on first win and starting a new block, or playing 10 fixed spin's block ?
Did you run some test on these different approaches?
Maybe you did, but i was not able to find it in this forum (this system seems to be splitted in 3 different posts : the best clue to win, KTF and this one).
Thanks,
tondeni
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Yes i stop at the win; see out the remaining spins.
The best way ? have a bit more idea in 47 days
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Follow the blocks of 10 spins
Love old posts
Nimo
The 1st circled 29 are the 15#'s on marquee when i started.
You know the rest; end +83
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Gold standard MPR
From this
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To this just betting 1st 10 spins
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But the reason post;it's because you can see spins 11-20 where the average should be 5 non-hit, but the usual is 7,+2
So you've been told up to the 19th non-hit they have an average of 2 spins. You can see the red cross and circle.
Let's assume you are ultra safe and wait to see if a non-hit misses the average to hit.
Can't tell if the last # 27 misses the average; But the circled 34&11 wins as the #12 is not in those 20 spins
So its all an illusion
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you reverse engineers
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Perhaps the named goofs at GF could try and work it. Maybe not the BIG DOGGGGGG
BBB
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1st 100; 2 losing 10's
2nd 100 spins; 3 losing 10's
3rd set only 70 spins; but we've only had 1 losing set of 10.
You know the Prog: +1 on loss and only drop back when higher than the last high; so by the end of 160 spins, we get back to positive; but not the high of 204.
So question would you drop back to unit of 1 or like here carried on untill the new high of 277; now enabling me to drop back to unit of 1.
Remember the BR is 3000
BBB
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so we got 2 losing 10 in this 100 spins,
7 losing 10's over the 300 spins
Now if ratio was 7-3 it's now time to stop? as the score could have been 21w-9L
Or if your ratio 8w-2L; 24w-6L; could it win 9 out next 10 blocks?
So Bro
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Ok Bro we've had 80 spins and got a losing 10; but as you can see its betting unit of 1 and new high
Now we've had 8 L's with 20 spins to go; but if ratio 7-3 is the case then L's are coming?
So would you peeps carry on?
Things to remember for get the Saint; you know all the blah
So how hard was that.
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New high and only 8L's in 40 blocks.
Goodluck; but you won't need to; just stick to the 1 in 10 and use the 80'000 on this; not a phone >:D :twisted:
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BBB
didn't keep track of the L's but just recklessly ploughed on. the 25 unit had to be bet flat 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3
But Ben at 500 spins the L's where low, so a losing 10 had to come.
Mako's rare event didn't appear.
Looks like the system wins until...and then wins until.
Quote from: The General on Dec 26, 08:09 PM 2018
Looks like the system wins until...and then wins until.
Thats all we can ask for in a negative expectation game
Take the wins when they come
Perhaps roulette is not the game for you if you can’t handle the swings.
Go back to you echo chamber
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 08:39 PM 2018
Thats all we can ask for in a negative expectation game
Take the wins when they come
Take them until they stop, then go back to the ATM .
Quote from: The General on Dec 26, 09:21 PM 2018Take them until they stop, then go back to the ATM .
I suppose thats you included
Did you ever bust with a bankroll like 8000 and ur progression method +1 and stay at that level till profit
You might wonder where Mako is.
Yes I do actually.
He is here!
Got back from a family vacation yesterday, now I need a vacation from the vacation....
Did you find the HG while I was gone? Cool, send it on over. :xd:
Yeah right, I saw you were looking for it at GF... ;)
That circus actually has an interesting thread going on for once, something you and I have seen in testing, but not something that can be put into a bet that survives.
Gzgzbee
Not had a reply from you.
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