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Title: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 05, 09:08 PM 2018
I'm looking for anyone to test a very simple Dozens System.  Preferably using Roulette Xtreme 2.0 software (:.uxsoftware.com).  But other testing methods is fine.

System:  Simply follow and bet on the current Dozen.
Progression:  Keep adding 1 unit, win or lose, until Balance reaches a new high, then re-set back to 1 unit, each time.
European Roulette - NO Limits Table
Test: 100,000 spins

I just need to know the largest Draw-down at any given point.  And the largest Bet units reached.  I am thinking that a 100,000 unit Bankroll should cover the largest draw-down period.

I am willing to pay a minimal small fee to compensate you for your time & efforts (PayPal or Bitcoin).  Or if anyone can give me a resource where I can hire someone who would know coding language for the Roulette Xtreme 2.0 software.

Thanks!   8)
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 06, 04:25 PM 2018
FYI -- I've begun manually testing a different version of this, where you just stick with 1 particular Dozen (easier, faster to test, compared to "following" a Dozen).  There will be long periods where it looks really good, but then out of the blue you will hit very large draw-down period of over 2,000 spins (-70,000 units) which obviously will make you hit any & all Table Limits.

So this will only work if you are going to bet Penny units, and maybe a $1,000 Bankroll might be enough.  Obviously this won't be worth it to most if not all players, BUT to a Day Trader it looks very tempting on a NO Limit Table.  📈   ;)
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: foreverBOB on Dec 06, 05:19 PM 2018
Can be coded easily. I can do it in excel tomorrow. Pm me your emailaddress, there is no need to pay for this.
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 06, 05:58 PM 2018
I did too this morning with Excel.  File was too large to share if 100k spins are to be tested.  I guess a file with a few hundred spins  couls be shared.  You'd have to drag down for 2 minutes until 100k.

I saw once in a 100k spin test a drawdown of 590 000 units and came back with 70k units on the doz.  Normally, past 10k it does not come back.

You'd get normally a few thiusand new highs then it would fail down a million at spin 100k. You indeed could play a long time.

But for sure a br of 100k units gets wiped out soon or later.

Foreverbob, i'd be curious to see how you code it with excel.  Share!
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 06, 06:23 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 06, 05:58 PM 2018I saw once in a 100k spin test a drawdown of 590 000 units and came back with 70k units on the doz.  Normally, past 10k it does not come back.

Is this test with Excel, or with an actual Roulette testing software like Roulette Xtreme 2.0 (:.uxsoftware.com)?
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Normy2000 on Dec 06, 06:27 PM 2018
I will post the Rx code tomorrow morning for free (5 minutes code), sorry, no time tonight.  O0
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 06, 06:32 PM 2018
Quote from: Normy2000 on Dec 06, 06:27 PM 2018I will post the Rx code tomorrow morning for free (5 minutes code), sorry, no time tonight.

Cool, thanks!   8)
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Normy2000 on Dec 06, 06:45 PM 2018
Here my friend:

[reveal]
system "Hottest Dozen"
// Coded by Normy2000
method "main"
begin
    While starting a new session
    begin
        put 0 on record "Prev Bankroll" data
        put 1 on record "Bet Unit" data
        clear record "Target Dozen" Layout
    end
    copy last dozen to record "Target Dozen" Layout
    Call "Bet"
end

// ****************************************************************************
Method "Bet"
begin
    if Bankroll >= record "Prev Bankroll" data
    begin
        put 1 on record "Bet Unit" data
        put 100% Bankroll on record "Prev Bankroll" data
    end

    if Bankroll < record "Prev Bankroll" data
    begin
        Add 1 to record "Bet Unit" data
    end

    put 100% record "Bet Unit" data on record "Target Dozen" layout
end
[/reveal]
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 06, 06:53 PM 2018
Quote from: RP501 on Dec 06, 06:23 PM 2018
Is this test with Excel, or with an actual Roulette testing software like Roulette Xtreme 2.0 (:.uxsoftware.com)?
Yes,Excel.  She is my mistress.
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 06, 07:28 PM 2018
Quote from: Normy2000 on Dec 06, 06:45 PM 2018Here my friend:

REVEAL: SHOW

WOW!!!  The RX Code worked!!  My first time seeing the RX software work in automated mode - like MAGIC!!!  Thanks a MILLION NORMY2000!!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Normy2000 on Dec 06, 08:14 PM 2018
Cheers!  8)
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 06, 08:20 PM 2018
Quote from: Normy2000 on Dec 06, 06:45 PM 2018system "Hottest Dozen"
// Coded by Normy2000
method "main"
begin
    While starting a new session
    begin
        put 0 on record "Prev Bankroll" data
        put 1 on record "Bet Unit" data
        clear record "Target Dozen" Layout
    end
    copy last dozen to record "Target Dozen" Layout
    Call "Bet"
end

// ****************************************************************************
Method "Bet"
begin
    if Bankroll >= record "Prev Bankroll" data
    begin
        put 1 on record "Bet Unit" data
        put 100% Bankroll on record "Prev Bankroll" data
    end

    if Bankroll < record "Prev Bankroll" data
    begin
        Add 1 to record "Bet Unit" data
    end

    put 100% record "Bet Unit" data on record "Target Dozen" layout
end

It doesn't look like it's adding 1 Unit, win or lose, and that it's not going by the "previous highest" bankroll, not just the previous high.  And it's betting 2 units on the 1st Dozen, in addition to the 2nd or 3rd Dozen.  Although the way it is currently, seems to be working still.   ;D

<img src="link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/06/RXCapture.png" alt="RXCapture.png" border="0" />
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 06, 10:32 PM 2018
Quote from: RP501 on Dec 06, 08:20 PM 2018It doesn't look like it's adding 1 Unit, win or lose, and that it's not going by the "previous highest" bankroll, not just the previous high.  And it's betting 2 units on the 1st Dozen, in addition to the 2nd or 3rd Dozen.

I think there was a glitch, now it's working.  I did a couple of 25,000 spins, and it eventually tanks every time.  :o

<img src="link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/07/RXGraph-ChasingDozensFitzroyMethod.png" alt="RXGraph-ChasingDozensFitzroyMethod.png" border="0" />
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 06, 10:40 PM 2018
Yeah, this was already known over 100 years ago by the shareholders of Monte Carlo.
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 07, 12:00 AM 2018
Quote from: Let Me Win on Dec 06, 10:40 PM 2018
Yeah, this was already known over 100 years ago by the shareholders of Monte Carlo.

Do you have any contributions to make in the game?
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 12:16 AM 2018
Yes, lots.

But I am really bored of reading countless versions of wait for x to happen then do y followed by a lengthy negative progression.

It's absurd as all these methods were discussed and clearly demonstrated to be specular lossers in textbooks written during the last century.

Come on, don't waste my time or your time with this bullsh!t.
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 07, 04:15 AM 2018
Quote from: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 12:16 AM 2018It's absurd as all these methods were discussed and clearly demonstrated to be specular lossers in textbooks written during the last century.

Not everyone is well-versed in the game of Roulette.  That's why we come here to find-out & test and "see" for ourselves.

Didn't mean to waste your time.  Since you are so convinced that Roulette can't be beaten long-term, then perhaps you're better off not wasting your time in here.   ;)
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 04:29 AM 2018
I didn't say roullete cant be beaten did I?

Why are you making assumptions?

The solution could be found within the binomial parachute.




Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Normy2000 on Dec 07, 08:09 AM 2018
Quote from: RP501 on Dec 06, 08:20 PM 2018It doesn't look like it's adding 1 Unit, win or lose, and that it's not going by the "previous highest" bankroll, not just the previous high.  And it's betting 2 units on the 1st Dozen, in addition to the 2nd or 3rd Dozen.  Although the way it is currently, seems to be working still.   

Humm! I don't know what program you are running? but the following picture show result for the program i sent you...
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 07, 09:39 AM 2018
Quote from: Normy2000 on Dec 07, 08:09 AM 2018Humm! I don't know what program you are running? but the following picture show result for the program i sent you...

I just started using the RX 2.0 software, and apparently I did something wrong initially, but I figured it out and it worked fine.

The Fitzroy progression method with adding 1 unit until Bankroll reaches a new high -- it eventually tanks within 25,000 spins.  So it doesn't work.

Can you give me an RX code using the Labouchere progression with the Dozen, but have it re-set when it reaches a new Bankroll high, instead of resetting after the sequence is done?  I know the Labby is for EC, but want to see how it would work with 2-1, but resets when new high hits instead.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: RP501 on Dec 07, 09:42 AM 2018
Quote from: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 04:29 AM 2018The solution could be found within the binomial parachute.

Ahhh, you found the Holy Grail of Roulette?  How much is that System selling for?   ;D
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 07, 09:49 AM 2018
Quote from: RP501 on Dec 07, 09:39 AM 2018

Can you give me an RX code using the Labouchere progression with the Dozen

I really would like to know how to code the Labouchere with Excel.
The tough part is to put the nrs in a side-bank as reference to know what units are next.

Anyone?

This site is rather user friendly for different simulators.  I'd personally change some parameters, but it's a good basis:
link:s://:.bettingsimulation.com/
Title: Re: Need someone to test a simple Dozens System.
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 03:02 PM 2018
Not selling anything?
Otherwise I would post in the for sale section?

I even made a new topic about it but of course there is no interest so I shall not bother either. No worries there.