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Title: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 18, 04:29 PM 2018
My Machine is designed to estimate ball velocity and predicts final position based on some standard baselines that need to be measured on the wheel. i have implemented it in C and Java.

This system predicted the correct 1/8th of the wheel in 7 of 33 trials giving an expected yield of 56%
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 05:41 PM 2018
Don't forget to patent it.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 18, 06:08 PM 2018
My system doesn't require a machine and it's predicted correctly 1 out of 1 trial, having won 100% of the time!
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Winner on Dec 18, 10:21 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 18, 06:08 PM 2018
My system doesn't require a machine and it's predicted correctly 1 out of 1 trial, having won 100% of the time!
There’s days I can hit on vb but I lose more then I win with this.doing something wrong.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Taotie on Dec 18, 10:47 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 18, 06:08 PM 2018
My system doesn't require a machine and it's predicted correctly 1 out of 1 trial, having won 100% of the time!


Mine too, no machine, but mine's won 3 from 3 trials with real money. Unfortunately I only ever go to the casino on my birthday so it's taken 3 years for me to prove it works.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 19, 03:45 AM 2018
Glad to hear that we have lots of gurus here, everyone claims that he has a HG!

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 19, 03:46 AM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 18, 05:41 PM 2018
Don't forget to patent it.

No need, unless I reveal it.
Now some idiots come and say, if it’s winner you should sell it !


No, I won’t sale it !
Perhaps I will create a website where players can use the system within a “pay as you win” service
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 08:27 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 18, 04:29 PM 2018
My Machine is designed to estimate ball velocity and predicts final position based on some standard baselines that need to be measured on the wheel. i have implemented it in C and Java.

This system predicted the correct 1/8th of the wheel in 7 of 33 trials giving an expected yield of 56%

How are your stats now?
How many trials, how many hits?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 08:46 AM 2018
Hi

Yes result is extraordinary !

Here the evidence, following graph shows the distribution!

Vertical axis : pocket or position (not the number !)

Horizontal axis : # trial

position or pocket 0 is the initial prediction (focus point), the zone that range from 0-18 is very hits saturated, that’s my zone !

I play zone 0-18, the house defends itself with zone 19-36 !

The house can defeat me with the weak zone !

The advantage is obviously for me !
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 08:49 AM 2018
I understand your machine created an earthquake.  Fantastic!
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 08:53 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 08:49 AM 2018
I understand your machine created an earthquake.  Fantastic!

Yes earthquake !
:xd:

Sorry had to upload image first , I am at work ! I explained the graph above
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 10:07 AM 2018
Is zero the point where the ball leaves the track or where you expect the ball to land?
If it is where you expect it to land, how do you write the number of pockets if it is less than calculated?

Thanks
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 12:52 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 08:46 AM 2018
Hi

Yes result is extraordinary !

Here the evidence, following graph shows the distribution!

Vertical axis : pocket or position (not the number !)

Horizontal axis : # trial

position or pocket 0 is the initial prediction (focus point), the zone that range from 0-18 is very hits saturated, that’s my zone !

I play zone 0-18, the house defends itself with zone 19-36 !

The house can defeat me with the weak zone !

The advantage is obviously for me !

(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21157.0;attach=39037;image)

I thought you were supposed to be a programmer?  This graph is and it's axis are impossible to read.  Can you make a better graph that's easier to read?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 12:52 PM 2018
Roben
I didn’t understand your question, can you explain it please. ?
Thanks
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 12:57 PM 2018
General

Easy, open your eyes and follow me:

Vertical is : pocket where the ball land
Horizontal: # trial/ spin

System predicts pocket 0

Most of the hits occurred Between pocket 0 and pocket 18

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:13 PM 2018
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=link:%3A%2F%2F:.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2018%2F12%2F19%2Fsource83fb6.png&hash=aac1703e4b44591dc987d80662c8ac96)

Why don't you make a graph like this that's easier to read?

Do you want me to help you with some software?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:20 PM 2018
Your graph is symbolic !

Mine is actual and obtained by validating every spin with the expected and actual for 1000 spins
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:21 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 12:52 PM 2018
Roben
I didn’t understand your question, can you explain it please. ?
Thanks

Yes.

There are only positive results, that is, from 0 to 37 or so.
If zero is the point where the ball leaves the track, ok.  But if zero is your bull's eye, certainly there must have been negative results, i.e. ball landing before your target, like 4 pockets counterclockwise.  Along with the positive value, where the ball lands further than expected...
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:22 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:20 PM 2018
Your graph is symbolic !

Mine is actual and obtained by validating every spin with the expected and actual for 1000 spins

Roulettebeater,

Your graph doesn't make any sense. 
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:23 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:21 PM 2018
Yes.

There are only positive results, that is, from 0 to 37 or so.
If zero is the point where the ball leaves the track, ok.  But if zero is your bull's eye, certainly there must have been negative results, i.e. ball landing before your target, like 4 pockets counterclockwise.  Along with the positive value, where the ball lands further than expected...

hold on, your assumption is correct if I have two directions, to simplify the algorithm, I have picked only one direction and it’s CW (clockwise)

Ok ?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:24 PM 2018
(link:s://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half/public/field_blog_entry_images/matrix-1460603554sdB.jpg?itok=1Xt3ImBP)

Roulettebeater,

The graph above makes more sense than yours.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:25 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:22 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

Your graph doesn't make any sense.

General
I don’t think you have anything that I am missing.

though - thank you for offering the help !
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:27 PM 2018
General

Like that, you won’t learn anything from me.

If you have any valid point, ask it ! But please calm down and come to the point, don’t try to overheat the discussion
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:27 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

I'm sorry, but you're really hard to follow.

First you say this..."roulette has a prebuilt edge for the house. that means there is no way to come ahead in the long term.
physics's law of motion can tell you where the ball is gonna leave the rim, although the bounce of the ball is  chaotic and unpredictable!"


(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21157.0;attach=39037;image)

And now you're trying to post graphs like this that you say prove you can predict using your "ingenious roulette machine".  ::)
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:31 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:27 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

I'm sorry, but you're really hard to follow.

First you say this..."roulette has a prebuilt edge for the house. that means there is no way to come ahead in the long term.
physics's law of motion can tell you where the ball is gonna leave the rim, although the bounce of the ball is  chaotic and unpredictable!"


(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21157.0;attach=39037;image)

And now you're trying to post graphs like this that you say prove you can predict using your "ingenious roulette machine".  ::)

I still defend what I’ve said !
The game is protected by an edge.
And no system can win in the long term except AP that is based on physics.

And yes, the ball bounce is chaotic, but I wasn’t aware of the fact the ball bounce has a trend to follow, and it will be almost always the same.

So if you know the exit point, the task is almost done !
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:35 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:31 PM 2018
I still defend what I’ve said !
The game is protected by an edge.
And no system can win in the long term except AP that is based on physics.

And yes, the ball bounce is chaotic, but I wasn’t aware of the fact the ball bounce has a trend to follow, and it will be almost always the same.

So if you know the exit point, the task is almost done !

(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=link:%3A%2F%2F:.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2018%2F12%2F19%2Fsource43a28.png&hash=8c46e8b95b7cb993e54d93ec882cb6b0)

You said that, and then a short time later you magically post your graph of what you say is 10k ball scatter distances.  (By the way, it was actually only 7100.)  So which is statement is true?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:39 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:35 PM 2018
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You said that, and then a short time later you magically post your graph of what you say is 10k ball scatter distances.  (By the way, it was actually only 7100.)  So which is statement is true?

General

Why the confidence is minimal among us ?

Do you think that i Test with pen and paper ?
Fancy that !

I automated the test, I took a chunk of 10k spins and imputed them into a software program, apparently 7100 spins were considered valid spins because they were recorded with spin direction !
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:39 PM 2018
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/20/source.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OsMEV)

Ok.  Let's say your calculated target is 0.  Ball lands on 21.  That would be +5, right?

Ball lands on 29.  This would be -7 or +30, right?  So your bull's eye spot, if playing 1/8th of the wheel, is the target +/-2 for a total of 5 nrs.  So, the worst results are the ones from 16-20, and your best from +35 to +2 (or -2/+2).

Right?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:45 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:39 PM 2018
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/20/source.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OsMEV)

Ok.  Let's say your calculated target is 0.  Ball lands on 21.  That would be +5, right?

Ball lands on 29.  This would be -7 or +30, right?  So your bull's eye spot, if playing 1/8th of the wheel, is the target +/-2 for a total of 5 nrs.  So, the worst results are the ones from 16-20, and your best from +35 to +2 (or -2/+2).

Right?

Exactly, you hit the nails on the head !
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:48 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:39 PM 2018
General

Why the confidence is minimal among us ?

Do you think that i Test with pen and paper ?
Fancy that !

I automated the test, I took a chunk of 10k spins and imputed them into a software program, apparently 7100 spins were considered valid spins because they were recorded with spin direction !

What you're doing isn't VB!  You can't measure wheel speed using automated software LOL!!!  You're just chasing dealer signatures.

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:49 PM 2018
So in your graph, the darkest areas should be at the bottom towards zero, and above, towards 37.  I see the most dense region is from 5 to 20.  Do I conclude the ball lands mostly about 12-15 pockets further than expected?

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:50 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

Can you post the graph data so that I can paste it into a graph that's easier to read?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:51 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:48 PM 2018
What you're doing isn't VB!  You can't measure wheel speed using automated software LOL!!!  You're just chasing dealer signatures.

Wrong !
Let me give you a tip :

Consider the rotor travelling at 5 seconds.

Dealer spin ball from 19 and it landed on 36.

Question : will you then be able to calculate ball speed ? Yes or no ?

Come on general!! I thought you have some experience!

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:54 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:51 PM 2018
Wrong !
Let me give you a tip :

Consider the rotor travelling at 5 seconds.

Dealer spin ball from 19 and it landed on 36.

Can’t you them calculate the ball speed ?

Come on general!! I thought you have some experience!

Roulettebeater,

That's not the wheel speed.  The distance between 19 and 36 does not represent wheel speed.  You're just graphing the dealer's signature yardage.  That method is as old as the hills.
I'm beginning to think that there's a translation problem between English and your native language.  You're just not understand what wheel speed represents.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:54 PM 2018
You oughtta know how many revolutions it does too...
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:55 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:49 PM 2018
So in your graph, the darkest areas should be at the bottom towards zero, and above, towards 37.  I see the most dense region is from 5 to 20.  Do I conclude the ball lands mostly about 12-15 pockets further than expected?

Yes Roben !

And that’s the margin of the chaotic bouncing !

Note : the spins studied are all taken from one specified online wheel.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:56 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:55 PM 2018
Yes Roben !

And that’s the margin of the chaotic bouncing !

Note : the spins studied are all taken from one specified online wheel.

Roulettebeater,

Can you please post the data used in the graph so that I can graph it in an easier to read graph?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:56 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:54 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

That's not the wheel speed.  The distance between 19 and 36 does not represent wheel speed.  You're just graphing the dealer's signature yardage.  That method is as old as the hills.
I'm beginning to think that there's a translation problem between English and your native language.  You're just not understand what wheel speed represents.

Again, general !
Open your eyes and see what I wrote !

I wrote : consider rotor speed at 5 seconds!

Apparently, you don’t know the equation
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:57 PM 2018
I suppose Roben is me...

You should do 2 columns in excel: one for the scatter, and one for how many spins resulted in x-pockets.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 01:59 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:57 PM 2018
I suppose Roben is me...

You should do 2 columns in excel: one for the scatter, and one for how many spins resulted in x-pockets.

I'd like to see some kind of coherent data.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 02:01 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:57 PM 2018
I suppose Roben is me...

You should do 2 columns in excel: one for the scatter, and one for how many spins resulted in x-pockets.

link:://:.pichost.org/image/OGYRi
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 02:05 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 02:01 PM 2018
link:://:.pichost.org/image/OGYRi

Roulettebeater,

Why are you posting the graph of the ball scatter?

Can you instead post the graph of your predictions?  Meaning a graph that represents the distance in pockets between your predicted number and where the ball actually lands?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 02:09 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 02:05 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

Why are you posting the graph of the ball scatter?

Can you instead post the graph of your predictions?  Meaning a graph that represents the distance in pockets between your predicted number and where the ball actually lands?

Ok i will !

General, next time plz take notes!

I can’t always repeat what, why and how!

I am losing lot of time following up with you
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 02:22 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 02:09 PM 2018
Ok i will !

General, next time plz take notes!

I can’t always repeat what, why and how!

I am losing lot of time following up with you

I have taken notes.  And my notes show that you're all over the place with your positions.  First you say it's not possible, and then you say it is.  Then you say it's not.  And then you say once again that it is and that you have an ingenious machine that's ready.     ::)
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 02:32 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 02:22 PM 2018
I have taken notes.  And my notes show that you're all over the place with your positions.  First you say it's not possible, and then you say it is.  Then you say it's not.  And then you say once again that it is and that you have an ingenious machine that's ready.     ::)

General

My two cents, I will let actions speak for me while you keep repeating your usual bs.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 02:50 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 02:32 PM 2018
General

My two cents, I will let actions speak for me while you keep repeating your usual bs.

It's your actions that are the problem.

How about posting a distance from predict to land graph?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 02:57 PM 2018
RB,

with your system, how many nrs do you feel you need to play to get an edge?

Can it tell with greater accuracy than random which nrs, or which sector, are NOT going to land on the spin? 
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 02:57 PM 2018
General

You say you are expert but you even don’t know the basic fundementals!

I wonder how much money you lost so far in roulette 

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 03:00 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 02:57 PM 2018
RB,

with your system, how many nrs do you feel you need to play to get an edge?

Can it tell with greater accuracy than random which nrs, or which sector, are NOT going to land on the spin?

According to the result of the analysis, the optimal setting is 12 - 16 numbers

But I think it doesn’t matter much !

Even with only 3 numbers, it can still come ahead


Regarding randomness, i can’t comment on RNG, i never wanted to test or develop any system for RNG, there you have a randomness problem and you can’t overcome it.

Now regarding accuracy, it is somehow known that real wheels behave according to the  cause and effect model.

That can help us a lot if we find the relation between cause and effect, I personally was able to decode the cause and effect based on some algorithms that I have developed, I then ran stress tests to see how it behaves, as you can see, spins were almost predictable by betting the recommend range of pockets
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 03:04 PM 2018
Ok,

how many nrs do you think you can put chips on between your program's signal and the '' No more bets'' limit?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 03:05 PM 2018
Do you have data showing the distance between the predicted and where it lands?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 03:12 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 03:04 PM 2018
Ok,

how many nrs do you think you can put chips on between your program's signal and the '' No more bets'' limit?

First of all, you missing here the point, this particular implementation is not only for land casino, I developed it mainly for online casino ( I mean live wheels no RNG ).

As per live wheels, there is no problem with the time, in fact you are going to place your bets in time.

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 03:13 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 03:05 PM 2018
Do you have data showing the distance between the predicted and where it lands?

I have, I will post it
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 03:13 PM 2018
''As per live wheels, there is no problem with the time, in fact you are going to place your bets in time.''

Fair enough!
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 03:21 PM 2018
Question to the general :


Do you think it’s possible to use VB online ?   

1- yes it’s possible, but the player’s edge is slightly lower.

2- no, it’s not possible .
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 05:52 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 03:13 PM 2018
I have, I will post it
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 20, 06:26 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:20 PM 2018
Your graph is symbolic !

Mine is actual and obtained by validating every spin with the expected and actual for 1000 spins

(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/proxy.php?request=link:%3A%2F%2F:.pichost.org%2Fimages%2F2018%2F12%2F19%2Fsource83fb6.png&hash=aac1703e4b44591dc987d80662c8ac96)

By the way, my graph was an actual representation of the predicted and land over 1390 spins.  It was NOT just 'symbolic'.
I still have the raw data for it.

[reveal]Predicted is the first number, then the last number is the number that actually hit.  The graph is the distance between the two locations.   

12   29
29   24
37   13
31   32
17   23
15   7
34   3
17   25
11   22
14   4
35   11
21   31
28   34
22   28
16   19
28   5
23   35
30   15
30   13
4   35
33   14
28   11
17   35
8   34
30   30
16   29
19   7
11   11
32   3
21   21
34   11
15   18
19   6
19   8
2   12
15   1
0   30
7   21
26   28
1   8
30   24
11   26
25   35
10   10
22   7
31   12
37   29
14   27
20   1
12   8
19   19
1   20
33   4
2   21
17   10
25   28
24   29
5   34
7   8
22   17
11   7
34   14
21   8
22   5
14   13
0   5
33   21
8   18
13   3
7   32
36   36
4   30
11   11
7   33
3   15
37   25
28   25
14   27
0   29
26   11
14   28
27   12
22   34
31   8
16   35
6   5
3   30
15   16
10   30
22   3
0   9
16   10
17   4
30   2
36   25
1   15
22   20
8   21
0   4
4   16
3   17
29   32
27   16
16   25
21   19
15   10
0   7
7   4
33   28
6   18
35   21
22   32
21   9
37   16
21   19
19   27
0   11
7   30
3   34
36   36
7   7
5   27
1   17
32   21
1   11
5   37
27   36
15   34
16   18
7   37
33   15
3   32
22   10
32   9
18   32
36   15
0   32
33   26
8   1
30   22
13   9
17   17
18   21
4   2
15   5
26   27
17   7
32   11
33   35
15   32
3   1
32   13
4   0
19   26
28   2
10   22
33   14
11   18
1   25
36   26
8   8
25   35
0   26
18   25
21   2
4   3
19   12
7   36
24   30
14   23
32   23
4   15
32   23
1   32
19   15
34   30
3   3
35   14
27   17
15   13
4   14
34   22
14   2
0   15
22   31
32   30
32   32
21   4
7   22
37   29
32   25
33   3
12   28
30   32
18   25
34   15
35   13
17   34
22   23
18   23
17   29
0   12
2   35
5   32
3   7
33   35
0   7
32   4
35   14
8   17
37   37
27   31
18   12
4   18
35   31
34   26
11   24
37   36
9   17
22   23
22   0
9   3
23   4
15   16
37   1
13   25
13   28
4   4
13   1
37   16
13   30
29   1
3   10
36   30
16   14
35   21
13   37
21   13
2   25
2   21
3   5
37   21
37   28
9   31
36   5
19   8
14   16
21   8
37   36
32   2
33   14
36   13
23   4
14   6
30   31
12   3
15   3
33   37
32   5
11   11
19   7
23   31
25   2
8   29
29   37
20   17
16   29
13   19
20   22
12   24
4   16
1   14
11   2
28   30
36   29
18   31
32   22
23   2
24   15
28   9
25   29
35   29
28   28
4   5
7   20
35   27
32   9
12   17
23   0
22   22
0   30
24   34
33   21
7   20
6   20
8   37
32   31
7   33
35   21
20   14
10   34
19   31
14   9
18   12
23   31
35   2
32   0
32   17
23   23
3   29
26   23
34   2
3   1
7   11
36   36
32   7
14   27
29   37
28   14
36   36
21   5
21   35
32   17
28   13
3   34
13   23
9   23
2   16
9   23
22   15
19   6
1   31
36   28
27   33
21   10
15   20
19   16
31   31
24   13
27   2
22   30
35   28
1   2
0   33
30   28
11   32
28   6
2   28
29   37
13   1
1   22
8   31
4   12
15   27
36   20
2   8
23   14
10   37
7   6
6   26
26   35
37   34
0   23
37   37
13   2
4   3
28   12
28   18
32   36
17   37
22   32
13   13
24   3
2   19
31   27
1   25
1   0
4   13
21   23
15   15
1   30
5   2
8   11
8   13
12   8
27   22
24   0
28   4
21   10
17   14
15   22
23   33
10   31
34   36
12   9
25   33
29   10
7   26
23   0
21   6
0   2
31   31
35   21
20   22
9   30
14   25
11   30
34   28
37   8
13   34
26   7
19   31
7   26
29   20
20   37
13   25
37   1
4   33
21   16
11   28
7   14
37   27
15   11
29   11
9   36
13   31
29   12
36   32
6   19
20   4
2   4
5   20
24   34
12   18
26   0
24   17
14   6
17   13
9   32
13   34
8   19
11   30
2   8
2   4
31   0
5   3
22   36
25   31
16   23
7   2
22   17
0   26
12   1
12   27
25   10
23   0
22   5
37   13
14   20
26   20
17   16
33   18
8   19
14   30
30   33
16   17
26   14
32   28
5   22
32   17
15   15
8   8
34   5
1   1
2   0
29   17
33   21
23   6
3   15
23   2
32   21
5   8
34   5
15   33
18   29
26   23
37   3
21   6
3   13
3   4
36   24
4   10
22   24
19   22
0   35
27   13
16   18
35   13
28   26
25   14
12   27
27   27
14   14
32   7
3   4
31   25
7   11
26   11
21   10
1   35
12   27
29   33
1   18
20   26
19   12
15   22
28   5
7   4
2   35
29   19
28   6
14   20
15   3
14   11
5   14
22   11
5   17
21   21
28   35
36   27
20   33
9   6
35   10
16   2
22   7
20   30
34   36
5   2
35   35
10   19
14   2
35   15
21   17
16   35
34   4
21   23
19   8
28   19
5   2
3   22
8   10
14   7
5   20
24   28
33   30
37   30
27   18
12   18
20   14
36   34
22   32
31   29
36   32
10   1
3   36
6   36
0   2
33   31
28   31
11   32
16   0
14   16
4   35
2   2
33   25
17   24
24   17
30   31
27   17
34   24
6   25
7   32
17   20
3   13
20   29
21   12
19   19
21   1
37   3
12   33
19   31
27   11
37   13
8   6
7   5
14   16
35   33
14   25
19   36
26   14
13   1
9   0
9   4
17   36
36   5
28   16
14   16
4   12
13   25
19   36
24   22
12   21
11   20
34   24
30   9
8   35
6   31
6   6
22   34
23   33
4   27
16   6
9   14
2   2
27   27
11   17
1   11
31   22
13   15
24   11
21   29
37   26
1   31
37   36
7   32
12   5
8   36
19   29
17   11
25   23
11   6
24   25
36   15
8   10
35   28
12   30
7   2
30   6
9   23
17   7
12   23
22   11
16   25
23   9
24   28
7   34
26   18
34   3
10   18
3   29
5   22
22   13
19   18
34   11
16   30
17   7
14   23
3   24
33   19
24   22
8   28
33   8
27   27
14   0
35   26
26   9
20   11
36   13
31   27
23   35
27   37
16   13
21   12
37   14
19   21
1   27
37   19
21   0
9   28
5   27
33   33
21   24
8   6
9   28
0   11
3   26
33   0
10   29
8   13
8   1
20   34
0   23
9   14
24   7
16   4
17   8
21   8
20   12
19   24
8   6
14   36
32   26
9   16
4   35
4   28
11   23
31   34
16   6
16   10
7   7
5   12
19   34
27   4
3   5
30   26
34   36
33   25
24   7
0   26
34   26
8   9
28   11
22   22
21   23
9   23
0   1
23   37
20   24
18   25
4   28
33   29
14   9
13   0
21   23
32   26
17   28
0   2
30   26
16   12
22   5
2   25
34   27
10   24
12   35
36   29
37   24
32   32
18   36
34   24
12   29
11   29
8   36
20   28
35   20
14   4
37   23
25   15
28   9
10   25
21   24
36   5
33   14
12   5
6   23
25   4
17   11
35   14
32   33
24   3
35   2
25   27
28   5
13   20
37   20
10   10
17   28
1   27
36   15
27   1
32   24
12   7
14   30
6   11
12   21
1   1
2   33
30   36
33   33
12   19
24   36
35   18
12   29
24   5
28   11
3   13
10   21
3   37
9   2
26   9
12   18
30   20
16   26
19   15
29   8
20   7
3   2
33   18
16   11
19   36
25   5
7   19
29   36
4   2
15   15
13   17
8   32
37   24
33   37
22   32
8   19
37   37
4   21
12   6
17   12
17   26
24   24
12   21
22   34
13   24
29   16
24   27
7   31
0   20
5   32
25   3
30   15
23   29
16   8
32   20
29   27
30   11
27   29
27   8
4   6
26   11
12   23
3   5
13   20
23   9
12   6
28   29
10   37
32   9
30   6
20   14
25   8
36   10
34   16
18   31
31   30
12   29
13   25
33   5
6   30
8   27
4   12
17   5
14   11
5   5
1   3
30   32
26   14
33   35
23   15
18   16
23   28
16   14
30   28
15   20
29   14
3   20
8   15
23   18
18   19
4   35
23   6
19   12
2   23
2   33
2   12
17   35
27   8
19   6
7   22
32   4
25   16
28   31
21   10
6   16
22   26
29   27
13   5
33   31
12   1
21   27
22   9
28   35
8   31
6   6
17   3
13   29
5   15
19   31
34   20
12   12
29   13
5   20
35   12
15   3
10   12
19   22
26   18
2   16
6   1
36   37
37   37
19   3
12   27
5   15
8   12
17   22
5   1
2   11
31   1
36   30
27   13
35   14
20   4
21   0
35   6
31   0
5   11
28   8
16   19
27   15
12   10
24   30
2   8
17   14
1   8
6   30
6   31
33   27
5   28
25   17
27   13
32   20
21   15
16   17
2   28
7   32
12   15
10   18
14   37
0   4
25   8
6   29
11   11
16   33
7   4
11   23
15   30
36   24
23   16
15   7
23   33
8   4
20   10
25   28
16   9
4   23
0   23
11   27
6   12
28   23
14   32
29   7
17   36
28   2
1   15
4   0
9   21
4   6
33   7
13   31
18   21
0   35
37   28
15   26
5   3
35   8
9   24
5   15
1   34
30   0
11   3
37   25
27   24
23   4
30   11
21   19
34   5
16   31
9   4
21   33
3   12
3   29
12   22
12   29
33   8
14   5
16   16
2   19
0   37
19   31
37   18
31   24
14   4
28   5
23   28
8   36
24   12
5   7
9   27
13   20
6   28
20   34
12   35
25   1
4   2
23   23
36   22
34   34
0   2
15   21
0   9
10   10
22   36
29   22
31   3
4   29
5   32
5   24
3   2
34   13
27   28
30   26
25   8
13   8
15   17
22   11
4   26
5   30
18   36
12   27
14   23
20   26
25   0
19   6
13   13
2   31
20   22
30   2
8   37
29   10
23   9
33   9
29   30
21   37
34   10
16   12
35   13
5   3
35   8
5   15
29   36
36   34
34   5
28   26
2   36
31   13
5   3
3   26
5   28
29   6
2   18
17   33
5   18
36   12
36   30
15   1
5   20
24   23
31   12
12   18
29   37
2   35
22   15
22   19
32   30
17   28
18   13
33   35
35   2
23   2
29   0
21   19
17   15
29   15
1   5
5   32
32   8
18   14
16   33
33   33
9   35
0   28
16   12
34   19
20   0
27   34
3   24
8   9
36   22
35   21
7   7
20   35
35   10
3   11
8   23
32   32
22   22
32   10
5   29
7   4
8   21
29   8
5   7
29   2
24   15
15   26
5   36
34   36
28   12
8   8
3   29
22   34
15   34
27   18
5   22
28   31
7   37
37   21
5   30
2   5
1   19
37   37
29   34
15   32
4   31
10   5
17   32
25   8
11   34
10   29
32   13
27   22
3   30
16   12
34   0
29   18
18   25
22   25
35   15
29   17
2   9
25   7
32   11
3   32
0   32
28   16
9   10
28   5
13   2
34   37
29   31
3   7
24   33
0   21
0   35
16   4
20   22
25   32
11   5
31   19
16   23
31   25
2   26
35   20
15   15
14   26
20   17
19   29
11   26
21   19
31   32
33   4
27   28
22   22
14   8
9   30
18   27
3   13
16   35
14   3
3   30
13   32
19   10
33   3
30   25
26   23
33   1
16   23
6   33
31   18
25   6
12   31
25   10
34   26
19   16
16   4
34   20
32   7
6   1
6   10
36   7
36   3
3   34
30   34
15   1
0   4
35   18
8   15
11   35
28   30
7   7
1   8
0   30
29   27
18   13
10   15
4   9
8   30
13   17
10   18
29   35
4   28
4   23
30   0
18   31
30   34
6   6
36   36
5   9
15   5
5   11
32   34
16   5
25   37
33   33
30   19
0   3
12   1
8   23
5   17
25   10
7   20
29   8
0   2
24   37
37   24
23   28
16   2
17   17
1   4
31   8
23   6
1   19
21   32
22   35
6   18
18   2
5   14
25   17
0   32
18   22
28   26
22   35
37   27
36   14
13   7
15   22
20   21
20   30
0   30
27   36
29   27
3   15
29   25
6   25
29   14
18   8
7   26
2   16
19   29
13   27
27   31
9   35
29   28
9   9
18   36
1   37
34   16
16   6
25   10
27   12
2   9
14   31
37   17
11   32
37   2
25   8
8   11
4   8
12   27
9   14
33   2
23   37
3   20
14   23
34   24
21   35
10   12
26   37
1   11
35   4
29   3
3   25
18   25
15   22
3   26
0   1
27   32
5   17
3   7
15   33
3   22
27   17
29   27
25   28
36   3
2   9
14   29
5   19
36   26
26   36
35   14
29   37
14   20
4   11
   
[/reveal]
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 01:31 AM 2018
34  3

That’s 11 pockets difference, I don’t see it on your graph !

Did you manipulate the graph ?

How bad is that !
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 21, 02:21 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 01:31 AM 2018
34  3

That’s 11 pockets difference, I don’t see it on your graph !

Did you manipulate the graph ?

How bad is that !

Roulettebeater,

34 to 3 is a difference of only 2 pockets.  It's a double zero wheel.  LOL!   ::)  Also, I hope you realize that's a standard deviation graph.

[reveal]Predicted   Land   Difference in pockets
12   29   37
29   24   30
37   13   36
31   32   19
17   23   25
15   7   31
34   3   2
17   25   13
11   22   6
14   4   35
35   11   8
21   31   35
28   34   11
22   28   28
16   19   32
28   5   9
23   35   1
30   15   9
30   13   13
4   35   2
33   14   5
28   11   4
17   35   26
8   34   25
30   30   0
16   29   29
19   7   18
11   11   0
32   3   6
21   21   0
34   11   31
15   18   15
19   6   3
19   8   37
2   12   25
15   1   5
0   30   4
7   21   24
26   28   36
1   8   7
30   24   11
11   26   36
25   35   13
10   10   0
22   7   33
31   12   35
37   29   4
14   27   22
20   1   11
12   8   1
19   19   0
1   20   27
33   4   2
2   21   31
17   10   12
25   28   17
24   29   8
5   34   2
7   8   19
22   17   36
11   7   1
34   14   24
21   8   33
22   5   37
14   13   19
0   5   10
33   21   37
8   18   3
13   3   35
7   32   2
36   36   0
4   30   9
11   11   0
7   33   25
3   15   37
37   25   3
28   25   21
14   27   22
0   29   23
26   11   2
14   28   3
27   12   4
22   34   1
31   8   36
16   35   3
6   5   19
3   30   28
15   16   19
10   30   21
22   3   3
0   9   2
16   10   27
17   4   24
30   2   33
36   25   6
1   15   33
22   20   34
8   21   5
0   4   33
4   16   37
3   17   33
29   32   23
27   16   12
16   25   28
21   19   34
15   10   8
0   7   6
7   4   27
33   28   8
6   18   37
35   21   33
22   32   35
21   9   10
37   16   13
21   19   34
19   27   32
0   11   5
7   30   36
3   34   36
36   36   0
7   7   0
5   27   10
1   17   29
32   21   22
1   11   25
5   37   9
27   36   34
15   34   37
16   18   34
7   37   13
33   15   20
3   32   32
22   10   10
32   9   32
18   32   18
36   15   35
0   32   8
33   26   10
8   1   31
30   22   7
13   9   23
17   17   0
18   21   2
4   2   4
15   5   35
26   27   17
17   7   35
32   11   35
33   35   4
15   32   33
3   1   4
32   13   9
4   0   5
19   26   15
28   2   36
10   22   28
33   14   5
11   18   23
1   25   4
36   26   25
8   8   0
25   35   13
0   26   3
18   25   32
21   2   7
4   3   19
19   12   36
7   36   10
24   30   27
14   23   36
32   23   26
4   15   18
32   23   26
1   32   28
19   15   25
34   30   30
3   3   0
35   14   1
27   17   27
15   13   4
4   14   3
34   22   37
14   2   1
0   15   13
22   31   16
32   30   34
32   32   0
21   4   3
7   22   5
37   29   4
32   25   14
33   3   21
12   28   15
30   32   4
18   25   32
34   15   1
35   13   20
17   34   3
22   23   23
18   23   6
17   29   14
0   12   24
2   35   36
5   32   36
3   7   30
33   35   4
0   7   6
32   4   25
35   14   1
8   17   22
37   37   0
27   31   7
18   12   34
4   18   33
35   31   30
34   26   29
11   24   10
37   36   35
9   17   7
22   23   23
22   0   27
9   3   12
23   4   37
15   16   19
37   1   37
13   25   5
13   28   22
4   4   0
13   1   1
37   16   13
13   30   25
29   1   33
3   10   7
36   30   26
16   14   4
35   21   33
13   37   2
21   13   25
2   25   23
2   21   31
3   5   34
37   21   11
37   28   20
9   31   25
36   5   32
19   8   37
14   16   34
21   8   33
37   36   35
32   2   29
33   14   5
36   13   1
23   4   37
14   6   31
30   31   23
12   3   28
15   3   1
33   37   26
32   5   2
11   11   0
19   7   18
23   31   31
25   2   15
8   29   36
29   37   34
20   17   2
16   29   29
13   19   9
20   22   4
12   24   29
4   16   37
1   14   18
11   2   32
28   30   3
36   29   7
18   31   37
32   22   3
23   2   3
24   15   36
28   9   1
25   29   1
35   29   26
28   28   0
4   5   15
7   20   1
35   27   23
32   9   32
12   17   23
23   0   4
22   22   0
0   30   4
24   34   35
33   21   37
7   20   1
6   20   16
8   37   32
32   31   19
7   33   25
35   21   33
20   14   29
10   34   29
19   31   1
14   9   4
18   12   34
23   31   31
35   2   2
32   0   30
32   17   1
23   23   0
3   29   9
26   23   31
34   2   25
3   1   4
7   11   37
36   36   0
32   7   36
14   27   22
29   37   34
28   14   35
36   36   0
21   5   18
21   35   5
32   17   1
28   13   16
3   34   36
13   23   17
9   23   32
2   16   33
9   23   32
22   15   2
19   6   3
1   31   9
36   28   23
27   33   11
21   10   29
15   20   32
19   16   6
31   31   0
24   13   2
27   2   17
22   30   31
35   28   4
1   2   19
0   33   31
30   28   35
11   32   3
28   6   28
2   28   2
29   37   34
13   1   1
1   22   31
8   31   2
4   12   29
15   27   7
36   20   29
2   8   26
23   14   2
10   37   36
7   6   23
6   26   12
26   35   32
37   34   31
0   23   34
37   37   0
13   2   20
4   3   19
28   12   23
28   18   27
32   36   8
17   37   10
22   32   35
13   13   0
24   3   37
2   19   27
31   27   31
1   25   4
1   0   20
4   13   22
21   23   4
15   15   0
1   30   24
5   2   27
8   11   18
8   13   30
12   8   1
27   22   29
24   0   23
28   4   32
21   10   29
17   14   27
15   22   36
23   33   35
10   31   6
34   36   4
12   9   16
25   33   9
29   10   36
7   26   35
23   0   4
21   6   37
0   2   37
31   31   0
35   21   33
20   22   4
9   30   2
14   25   24
11   30   37
34   28   27
37   8   6
13   34   33
26   7   3
19   31   1
7   26   35
29   20   22
20   37   12
13   25   5
37   1   37
4   33   36
21   16   2
11   28   34
7   14   30
37   27   1
15   11   30
29   11   20
9   36   14
13   31   10
29   12   1
36   32   30
6   19   35
20   4   26
2   4   34
5   20   35
24   34   35
12   18   4
26   0   35
24   17   32
14   6   31
17   13   8
9   32   6
13   34   33
8   19   1
11   30   37
2   8   26
2   4   34
31   0   11
5   3   4
22   36   5
25   31   5
16   23   2
7   2   31
22   17   36
0   26   3
12   1   32
12   27   34
25   10   37
23   0   4
22   5   37
37   13   36
14   20   9
26   20   4
17   16   23
33   18   35
8   19   1
14   30   6
30   33   27
16   17   15
26   14   33
32   28   31
5   22   1
32   17   1
15   15   0
8   8   0
34   5   36
1   1   0
2   0   1
29   17   24
33   21   37
23   6   33
3   15   37
23   2   3
32   21   22
5   8   15
34   5   36
15   33   18
18   29   33
26   23   31
37   3   33
21   6   37
3   13   3
3   4   19
36   24   37
4   10   26
22   24   4
19   22   23
0   35   35
27   13   35
16   18   34
35   13   20
28   26   2
25   14   14
12   27   34
27   27   0
14   14   0
32   7   36
3   4   19
31   25   33
7   11   37
26   11   2
21   10   29
1   35   17
12   27   34
29   33   8
1   18   10
20   26   34
19   12   36
15   22   36
28   5   9
7   4   27
2   35   36
29   19   3
28   6   28
14   20   9
15   3   1
14   11   7
5   14   26
22   11   32
5   17   37
21   21   0
28   35   34
36   27   4
20   33   24
9   6   27
35   10   24
16   2   5
22   7   33
20   30   35
34   36   4
5   2   27
35   35   0
10   19   5
14   2   1
35   15   16
21   17   17
16   35   3
34   4   21
21   23   4
19   8   37
28   19   25
5   2   27
3   22   35
8   10   34
14   7   8
5   20   35
24   28   24
33   30   11
37   30   23
27   18   8
12   18   4
20   14   29
36   34   34
22   32   35
31   29   34
36   32   30
10   1   35
3   36   2
6   36   25
0   2   37
33   31   34
28   31   26
11   32   3
16   0   6
14   16   34
4   35   2
2   2   0
33   25   29
17   24   6
24   17   32
30   31   23
27   17   27
34   24   3
6   25   31
7   32   2
17   20   36
3   13   3
20   29   16
21   12   32
19   19   0
21   1   26
37   3   33
12   33   7
19   31   1
27   11   23
37   13   36
8   6   4
7   5   4
14   16   34
35   33   34
14   25   24
19   36   28
26   14   33
13   1   1
9   0   36
9   4   31
17   36   7
36   5   32
28   16   31
14   16   34
4   12   29
13   25   5
19   36   28
24   22   34
12   21   6
11   20   2
34   24   3
30   9   36
8   35   10
6   31   36
6   6   0
22   34   1
23   33   35
4   27   25
16   6   35
9   14   34
2   2   0
27   27   0
11   17   4
1   11   25
31   22   22
13   15   34
24   11   28
21   29   31
37   26   22
1   31   9
37   36   35
7   32   2
12   5   24
8   36   29
19   29   35
17   11   34
25   23   12
11   6   24
24   25   7
36   15   35
8   10   34
35   28   4
12   30   18
7   2   31
30   6   25
9   23   32
17   7   35
12   23   10
22   11   32
16   25   28
23   9   6
24   28   24
7   34   6
26   18   25
34   3   2
10   18   7
3   29   9
5   22   1
22   13   6
19   18   2
34   11   31
16   30   10
17   7   35
14   23   36
3   24   1
33   19   33
24   22   34
8   28   14
33   8   32
27   27   0
14   0   2
35   26   6
26   9   37
20   11   36
36   13   1
31   27   31
23   35   1
27   37   37
16   13   23
21   12   32
37   14   17
19   21   4
1   27   2
37   19   7
21   0   8
9   28   37
5   27   10
33   33   0
21   24   23
8   6   4
9   28   37
0   11   5
3   26   27
33   0   7
10   29   2
8   13   30
8   1   31
20   34   5
0   23   34
9   14   34
24   7   29
16   4   1
17   8   16
21   8   33
20   12   17
19   24   27
8   6   4
14   36   18
32   26   33
9   16   30
4   35   2
4   28   6
11   23   29
31   34   23
16   6   35
16   10   27
7   7   0
5   12   14
19   34   24
27   4   13
3   5   34
30   26   37
34   36   4
33   25   29
24   7   29
0   26   3
34   26   29
8   9   15
28   11   4
22   22   0
21   23   4
9   23   32
0   1   18
23   37   23
20   24   8
18   25   32
4   28   6
33   29   30
14   9   4
13   0   21
21   23   4
32   26   33
17   28   30
0   2   37
30   26   37
16   12   30
22   5   37
2   25   23
34   27   8
10   24   32
12   35   11
36   29   7
37   24   34
32   32   0
18   36   26
34   24   3
12   29   37
11   29   18
8   36   29
20   28   32
35   20   10
14   4   35
37   23   15
25   15   29
28   9   1
10   25   1
21   24   23
36   5   32
33   14   5
12   5   24
6   23   5
25   4   11
17   11   34
35   14   1
32   33   23
24   3   37
35   2   2
25   27   36
28   5   9
13   20   28
37   20   26
10   10   0
17   28   30
1   27   2
36   15   35
27   1   36
32   24   7
12   7   20
14   30   6
6   11   14
12   21   6
1   1   0
2   33   32
30   36   12
33   33   0
12   19   2
24   36   1
35   18   31
12   29   37
24   5   33
28   11   4
3   13   3
10   21   9
3   37   5
9   2   35
26   9   37
12   18   4
30   20   3
16   26   9
19   15   25
29   8   2
20   7   37
3   2   23
33   18   35
16   11   11
19   36   28
25   5   26
7   19   20
29   36   31
4   2   4
15   15   0
13   17   30
8   32   21
37   24   34
33   37   26
22   32   35
8   19   1
37   37   0
4   21   35
12   6   5
17   12   15
17   26   32
24   24   0
12   21   6
22   34   1
13   24   36
29   16   9
24   27   5
7   31   21
0   20   7
5   32   36
25   3   30
30   15   9
23   29   27
16   8   31
32   20   37
29   27   35
30   11   1
27   29   3
27   8   5
4   6   34
26   11   2
12   23   10
3   5   34
13   20   28
23   9   6
12   6   5
28   29   22
10   37   36
32   9   32
30   6   25
20   14   29
25   8   3
36   10   5
34   16   20
18   31   37
31   30   15
12   29   37
13   25   5
33   5   17
6   30   13
8   27   33
4   12   29
17   5   1
14   11   7
5   5   0
1   3   34
30   32   4
26   14   33
33   35   4
23   15   17
18   16   4
23   28   5
16   14   4
30   28   35
15   20   32
29   14   13
3   20   31
8   15   26
23   18   32
18   19   36
4   35   2
23   6   33
19   12   36
2   23   35
2   33   32
2   12   25
17   35   26
27   8   5
19   6   3
7   22   5
32   4   25
25   16   10
28   31   26
21   10   29
6   16   3
22   26   30
29   27   35
13   5   31
33   31   34
12   1   32
21   27   28
22   9   29
28   35   34
8   31   2
6   6   0
17   3   5
13   29   6
5   15   3
19   31   1
34   20   33
12   12   0
29   13   32
5   20   35
35   12   27
15   3   1
10   12   3
19   22   23
26   18   25
2   16   33
6   1   27
36   37   3
37   37   0
19   3   26
12   27   34
5   15   3
8   12   37
17   22   2
5   1   8
2   11   6
31   1   29
36   30   26
27   13   35
35   14   1
20   4   26
21   0   8
35   6   32
31   0   11
5   11   33
28   8   24
16   19   32
27   15   31
12   10   35
24   30   27
2   8   26
17   14   27
1   8   7
6   30   13
6   31   36
33   27   27
5   28   29
25   17   25
27   13   35
32   20   37
21   15   21
16   17   15
2   28   2
7   32   2
12   15   27
10   18   7
14   37   21
0   4   33
25   8   3
6   29   32
11   11   0
16   33   37
7   4   27
11   23   29
15   30   29
36   24   37
23   16   36
15   7   31
23   33   35
8   4   8
20   10   14
25   28   17
16   9   8
4   23   1
0   23   34
11   27   15
6   12   33
28   23   33
14   32   10
29   7   21
17   36   7
28   2   36
1   15   33
4   0   5
9   21   28
4   6   34
33   7   13
13   31   10
18   21   2
0   35   35
37   28   20
15   26   28
5   3   4
35   8   28
9   24   13
5   15   3
1   34   32
30   0   34
11   3   9
37   25   3
27   24   33
23   4   37
30   11   1
21   19   34
34   5   36
16   31   33
9   4   31
21   33   1
3   12   10
3   29   9
12   22   25
12   29   37
33   8   32
14   5   12
16   16   0
2   19   27
0   37   19
19   31   1
37   18   9
31   24   26
14   4   35
28   5   9
23   28   5
8   36   29
24   12   9
5   7   34
9   27   18
13   20   28
6   28   10
20   34   5
12   35   11
25   1   34
4   2   4
23   23   0
36   22   33
34   34   0
0   2   37
15   21   17
0   9   2
10   10   0
22   36   5
29   22   26
31   3   25
4   29   28
5   32   36
5   24   5
3   2   23
34   13   5
27   28   19
30   26   37
25   8   3
13   8   8
15   17   34
22   11   32
4   26   8
5   30   32
18   36   26
12   27   34
14   23   36
20   26   34
25   0   16
19   6   3
13   13   0
2   31   28
20   22   4
30   2   33
8   37   32
29   10   36
23   9   6
33   9   9
29   30   19
21   37   27
34   10   9
16   12   30
35   13   20
5   3   4
35   8   28
5   15   3
29   36   31
36   34   34
34   5   36
28   26   2
2   36   17
31   13   28
5   3   4
3   26   27
5   28   29
29   6   6
2   18   29
17   33   22
5   18   18
36   12   8
36   30   26
15   1   5
5   20   35
24   23   19
31   12   35
12   18   4
29   37   34
2   35   36
22   15   2
22   19   15
32   30   34
17   28   30
18   13   27
33   35   4
35   2   2
23   2   3
29   0   15
21   19   34
17   15   4
29   15   28
1   5   30
5   32   36
32   8   17
18   14   8
16   33   37
33   33   0
9   35   33
0   28   1
16   12   30
34   19   14
20   0   31
27   34   30
3   24   1
8   9   15
36   22   33
35   21   33
7   7   0
20   35   28
35   10   24
3   11   29
8   23   9
32   32   0
22   22   0
32   10   13
5   29   13
7   4   27
8   21   5
29   8   2
5   7   34
29   2   14
24   15   36
15   26   28
5   36   6
34   36   4
28   12   23
8   8   0
3   29   9
22   34   1
15   34   37
27   18   8
5   22   1
28   31   26
7   37   13
37   21   11
5   30   32
2   5   11
1   19   8
37   37   0
29   34   27
15   32   33
4   31   32
10   5   27
17   32   37
25   8   3
11   34   7
10   29   2
32   13   9
27   22   29
3   30   28
16   12   30
34   0   26
29   18   5
18   25   32
22   25   11
35   15   16
29   17   24
2   9   3
25   7   22
32   11   35
3   32   32
0   32   8
28   16   31
9   10   19
28   5   9
13   2   20
34   37   7
29   31   4
3   7   30
24   33   16
0   21   30
0   35   35
16   4   1
20   22   4
25   32   24
11   5   5
31   19   37
16   23   2
31   25   33
2   26   4
35   20   10
15   15   0
14   26   5
20   17   2
19   29   35
11   26   36
21   19   34
31   32   19
33   4   2
27   28   19
22   22   0
14   8   27
9   30   2
18   27   30
3   13   3
16   35   3
14   3   16
3   30   28
13   32   29
19   10   33
33   3   21
30   25   18
26   23   31
33   1   25
16   23   2
6   33   2
31   18   1
25   6   7
12   31   3
25   10   37
34   26   29
19   16   6
16   4   1
34   20   33
32   7   36
6   1   27
6   10   30
36   7   28
36   3   36
3   34   36
30   34   8
15   1   5
0   4   33
35   18   31
8   15   26
11   35   30
28   30   3
7   7   0
1   8   7
0   30   4
29   27   35
18   13   27
10   15   30
4   9   7
8   30   17
13   17   30
10   18   7
29   35   12
4   28   6
4   23   1
30   0   34
18   31   37
30   34   8
6   6   0
36   36   0
5   9   30
15   5   35
5   11   33
32   34   4
16   5   16
25   37   35
33   33   0
30   19   22
0   3   14
12   1   32
8   23   9
5   17   37
25   10   37
7   20   1
29   8   2
0   2   37
24   37   4
37   24   34
23   28   5
16   2   5
17   17   0
1   4   15
31   8   36
23   6   33
1   19   8
21   32   16
22   35   24
6   18   37
18   2   9
5   14   26
25   17   25
0   32   8
18   22   21
28   26   2
22   35   24
37   27   1
36   14   20
13   7   27
15   22   36
20   21   23
20   30   35
0   30   4
27   36   34
29   27   35
3   15   37
29   25   37
6   25   31
29   14   13
18   8   35
7   26   35
2   16   33
19   29   35
13   27   3
27   31   7
9   35   33
29   28   16
9   9   0
18   36   26
1   37   1
34   16   20
16   6   35
25   10   37
27   12   4
2   9   3
14   31   29
37   17   28
11   32   3
37   2   18
25   8   3
8   11   18
4   8   30
12   27   34
9   14   34
33   2   6
23   37   23
3   20   31
14   23   36
34   24   3
21   35   5
10   12   3
26   37   16
1   11   25
35   4   36
29   3   29
3   25   8
18   25   32
15   22   36
3   26   27
0   1   18
27   32   26
5   17   37
3   7   30
15   33   18
3   22   35
27   17   27
29   27   35
25   28   17
36   3   36
2   9   3
14   29   25
5   19   16
36   26   25
26   36   13
35   14   1
29   37   34
14   20   9
4   11   10[/reveal]
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 03:30 AM 2018
Generallllllllll

Stop lying !

I didn’t find 00 in your raw data !!!

Come on mate ...
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 03:38 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 03:30 AM 2018Stop lying !

I didn’t find 00 in your raw data !!!
What you name as 00 is 37 in data.  Easy to notice that you never did such analysis...
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 03:51 AM 2018
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 03:38 AM 2018
What you name as 00 is 37 in data.  Easy to notice that you never did such analysis...

The important thing is commenting, right ?

Come on mate, look at his raw data, first column is the prediction and second column is the delta!

Did you find 00 in the first column ? No, or are you blind !

Also, on double zero wheels, there would be 38 numbers not 37 !

So again, next time scratch your heads before commenting, ok ?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 03:54 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 03:51 AM 2018Also, on double zero wheels, there would be 38 numbers not 37 !
Then go back to school, if you can't count how much numbers are 0-37  :)
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 03:57 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 03:51 AM 2018The important thing is commenting, right ?
I think for you important thing is to write stupidities :)  What is aim? I think can be only two aims...
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 04:02 AM 2018
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 03:38 AM 2018
Easy to notice that you never did such analysis...

How do you know ?

Didn’t I provide you last time the same analysis ?

And it has 9 pockets difference in average !

That method wasn’t strong enough.

The new method has average 7 pockets difference, couldn’t you look at the graph in previous pages.?

If you didn’t, do now before it’s too late
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 04:37 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 04:02 AM 2018couldn’t you look at the graph in previous pages.?
I do not saw any your graph...
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 04:45 AM 2018
link:://:.pichost.org/image/OGYRi

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 04:47 AM 2018
Look what I have for you

This graph is what you looking for, the delta( pockets)  between prediction and actual result.

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 05:08 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 04:47 AM 2018This graph is what you looking for, the delta( pockets)  between prediction and actual result.
It is not realistic - distance 1 and distance 0 must be about the same amount but one is 300 and 0 is 10 - such simply can't be...
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 05:14 AM 2018
Bebediktus


It seems you like to deal with numbers, ok no problem.


Here is another distribution:

delta is the difference in pocket between prediction and result,


Can you plot the data into a graph and display it here ?


Delta    TOTAL
â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"
7   298
0   285
4   280
8   274
1   264
5   264
3   255
6   252
10   252
9   252
13   244
12   244
11   244
15   243
16   235
2   228
18   228
14   221
17   215
20   213
21   207
22   188
19   184
23   179
24   173
25   156
26   150
27   131
29   124
28   116
31   97
30   91
32   71
33   71
34   44
35   23
36   5
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 05:23 AM 2018
Ok - I do it for you

Here the graph, are you now satisfied ?

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 05:41 AM 2018
So if play pocket 0-18, i will be playing with 68.4% edge against the house’s 31.6%
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 05:48 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 05:41 AM 2018So if play pocket 0-18, i will be playing with 68.4% edge against the house’s 31.6%
You understand that 0 and 36 are neighbours? And its values must be similar. Cant be 0=285 and 36=5
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 06:06 AM 2018
You know what is a normal distribution? read at least in the wiki.
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 06:11 AM 2018
I have here absolute values !

So 1 represents +-1 


Hai capito, cazzo ?
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Dec 21, 06:50 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 06:11 AM 2018I have here absolute values !

So 1 represents +-1 
If this then
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 05:41 AM 2018So if play pocket 0-18, i will be playing with 68.4% edge
You will cover 18+18+1= 37 pockets what is whole board and you will have -2.7%  :)
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 06:55 AM 2018
Bedektius

The ac adapter of my notebook died today, I will buy new one - once I have access to my laptop I will send you more data.

Just keep your fingers crossed
Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 21, 11:14 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 05:23 AM 2018
Ok - I do it for you

Here the graph, are you now satisfied ?
No.  That's the ball bounce scatter graph again. Lol!

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: The General on Dec 21, 01:06 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 04:47 AM 2018
Look what I have for you

This graph is what you looking for, the delta( pockets)  between prediction and actual result.

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/21/sourcebc3ae.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/O2vRF)

"After ball leaves track, it bounces and rest, graph represents how many pockets the ball bounces until it rest. "  But you said that the graph above was basically just a scatter plot showing how many pockets the ball bounces when it leaves the track!

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/21/source7e347.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/O2KJi)


And now you're claiming, "This graph is what you looking for, the delta( pockets)  between prediction and actual result."

Both graphs are the same!  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 03:19 PM 2018
General

Stay cool, I will send you the data soon

Title: Re: My ingenious machine is ready
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 21, 05:50 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 21, 06:11 AM 2018
I have here absolute values !

So 1 represents +-1 


Hai capito, cazzo ?

Non ho capito.

If they are absolute values, the graph should stop at 19.

Or, I should suppose almost all of the ball landing were further than you guessed,  and only few landed before, hence the lower events with 35-36 pockets.

Si?