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He has uploaded many videos, maybe can someone detect his strategy

link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCEzYC1dwz1q0cNcM8H3PWQw

Never believe in peoples who post his winnings from an online casino - they all have his aim. And that aim is not related to winings, but in attracting more peoples.
Now, simply think, why winner need other peoples ??? :)

I wonder if he published the losing videos too.

Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 24, 04:07 PM 2018
Never believe in peoples who post his winnings from an online casino - they all have his aim. And that aim is not related to winings, but in attracting more peoples.
Now, simply think, why winner need other peoples ??? :)

Why, what is his aim?

He is not affiliating any casino in his videos, can you tell us what you mean exactly ?

Quote from: Steve on Dec 24, 04:32 PM 2018
I wonder if he published the losing videos too.

Steve,

You can’t be always negative..
The guy is turning $ 1 usd into a few hundred dollars, that’s very interesting indicator !

In other words he is risking very little amount of money and making hundreds !

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 25, 02:53 AM 2018The guy is turning $ 1 usd into a few hundred dollars, that’s very interesting indicator !

Guys lets use at least sometimes logic in thinking...

Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 25, 04:29 AM 2018
Guys lets use at least sometimes logic in thinking...

sure, but it is still interesting how he maximizes his profit starting from $ 1 .
so his total and initial investment costs him only $ 1.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 25, 05:13 AM 2018sure, but it is still interesting how he maximizes his profit starting from $ 1 .

You think he can do that if you will look at him:)?

Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 25, 01:26 PM 2018
You think he can do that if you will look at him:)?

What’s your point, benedektus ?

Are you saying that this guy is idiot and lying ?

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 25, 03:42 PM 2018Are you saying that this guy is idiot and lying ?

Look, I met several peoples from forums.  On the internet they all were winners, but they nothing could do when we met. I specially bought a good web camera to see what can do some of them - so I was in the role of the dealer and them in the role of the player.

Till now nobody could prove what they talk on the internet...

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 24, 02:38 PM 2018
He has uploaded many videos, maybe can someone detect his strategy

link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCEzYC1dwz1q0cNcM8H3PWQw

Well cant tell what the man is thinking of cause so there may be some unseen software, strategy or trick. However from the last video where he is just a hair's breath from completely tanking his bankroll in the middel where he drops from over 100+ euros to a measly 10 euros. Thankfully his massive 40 euro bet comes thru so he recovers. This probably is also why he then later understandable chickens out a bit uses much smaller bets in the end.

Anyways, in both videos he plays a fairly normal 10 numbers sector bet (7-14 ish sometimes). "strategy" seem quite simple = dont bet the same section that just hit. Then in one video he seem to mostly bet the opposite section (aka if Zero hits then bet Tier). in the other video he seem to wait for a hit in tier (virtual loss) and then bet the righ and left sides  with 5  numbers each. Also like a addiditional bet on the hot numbers ever now and then. Nothing particular new, and judging from the many losses its just a normal 10 number sector betting,

However the breakneck hit and run paroli-ish bankmanagentment is probably the most interesting part. Most of us probably ususally go in with a larger-ish bankroll and plays small. However here he goes all in and pretty much always uses 20-25% of his entire bankroll on the next bet. This agressive (but dangerous) bet works because with the 10 number bet if you keep winning with less than 4 spins you move up or at least stay afloat. Fairly dangerous and  guessing a section wrong more than 4 times is bound to happen sooner or later (indeed, how many loss videos did he have before making these winning videos, one may ask) and certainly not something id risk with a big bankroll. However might be worth a try with a tiny bankroll  :thumbsup:

Ermm...what's the point of sector betting if it's on an RNG or cartoon wheel?  :twisted:

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This guy has a powerful system, everyday he adds a new video

His system is based on Vb, as I said before VB can work with live wheels

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 27, 02:06 PM 2018
This guy has a powerful system, everyday he adds a new video

His system is based on Vb, as I said before VB can work with live wheels

Then why is he playing on the RNG and cartoon wheel?  And why bet a sector on such a wheel?  ::) ::)

Quote from: The General on Dec 27, 02:34 PM 2018
Then why is he playing on the RNG and cartoon wheel?  And why bet a sector on such a wheel?  ::) ::)

Rng?

i didnt see RNG. he plays only real and automated wheels

Quote from: The General on Dec 27, 02:34 PM 2018
Then why is he playing on the RNG and cartoon wheel?  And why bet a sector on such a wheel?  ::) ::)

Rng?

i didnt see RNG. he plays only real and automated wheels

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 24, 02:38 PM 2018
He has uploaded many videos, maybe can someone detect his strategy

link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCEzYC1dwz1q0cNcM8H3PWQw

Looks like seven neighbor bets on the RNG video.

(Like an equal sided triangle.  LD is one
point, seven neighbors each on the other two points)

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 27, 07:05 PM 2018
Looks like seven neighbor bets on the RNG video.

(Like an equal sided triangle.  LD is one
point, seven neighbors each on the other two points)

Yes, the guy is a fruitcake.

If the guy is winning this way the joke is on non-believers.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 27, 07:23 PM 2018
If the guy is winning this way the joke is on non-believers.

Not a chance in hell.   ::)  There's nobody consistently winning on the online RNG roulette games. 

Besides, online RNG roulette is reserved for people with gambling problems.

Happy new year, Folks!

has anyone found out how this guy plays?
he keeps uploading videos showing his invincible system.


link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCEzYC1dwz1q0cNcM8H3PWQw

Why does the link sends me to a blank Youtube page?

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jan 07, 10:56 PM 2019
Why does the link sends me to a blank Youtube page?

Try this link buddy, seems to work. Haven’t watched it yet, but he breaks it down here:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=JvJj8Ht6xXk

Quote from: Mako on Jan 11, 02:49 PM 2019
Try this link buddy, seems to work. Haven’t watched it yet, but he breaks it down here:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=JvJj8Ht6xXk

I know this video, however he mentioned that he has a different system he uses, if you watch how he plays you can see that he doesn’t play this system .

General,

As you are a nay sayer, whT do you think of this guy ?

He is making a fortune

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 12, 02:25 AM 2019
I know this video, however he mentioned that he has a different system he uses, if you watch how he plays you can see that he doesn’t play this system .

Thanks RB, yeah I wondered why he would just drop his full system on youtube when most of that channel was seemingly to promote a sale or some other monitization method.

Hi there!
Is me the guy from that channel:
Many of you not believe me that i can win always,
but in roulette all what is matter is continuity, some players might win on some spins: 10k per spin, but if they don't have some good strategy with what can win at 90% of the spins as the way i am doing, than  they are very fast out as well, so is not important if you go big on roulette the important is to have continuity.
and many of you is calling the roulette software: RNG, hell no, is not random numbers generator, cause if is so, there will be no more logic on the numbers and no strategy will work than if the numbers are random at roulette,
and yes i had played a lot at those roulette software, i will leave links to some of my software roulette videos:





and yes i have  a strategy with what i can win always, the proof are my videos posted every day,
cause there are some players on youtube with 10 or 15 videos maximum what they are considered the best (what the people are speaking about) and when you check their channel you see that they not post anymore since 2017, so those 10 videos might be some luck or they might post just the winnings,

and also i am playing also just one session per day i already said that in my videos, cause from my experience gambling all day long at the end you will be on the loose site, cause let's say in the first session you manage to do 1000â,¬ profit let's say and than you join after one hour again, and your brain is more relax and you as well is like oh i know this game very well i made 1000â,¬ one hour before, and you forgot that for those 1000â,¬ you were very concentrate and hard work, and you loose your money in the 2nd session very fast, and than you continue again and you loose again and than you are more irritated cause you are loosing and than nothing is working anymore, and that i told you from my experiences.

so the best way is to have one session per day, or maximum 2, sometimes i have 2 as well, one in the morning and one in the night, but this year so far i guess i only played once per day,
and mostly i deposit 20â,¬ and if somehow i understood wrong the calculation i can loose that 20â,¬ in 2 minutes, cause 20â,¬ are not so much, and of course i not upload a video of 2 minutes to show you where i loose 20â,¬ doesn't make sense,
but mostly i manage to win from my first deposit,
and i am doing this as my hobby i don't want to get rich from this, and i am not affiliate with any casino.
And also my intention with my channel was and is that: to inspire you or to show you that is possible to win at roulette when you start as little as 20â,¬ and playing with 5000â,¬ is wrong, 
if i will be a casino i will show you the way they want , i might start with 10000â,¬ to play roulette, lol, playing roulette with 10k anyone can do it, even my grandma. :D
Before i made my channel when i was looking roulette on Youtube there were guys who started the session with 10k, 5k, 2k, 1k, 300â,¬, even 300â,¬ i consider much to start a session, so

so i guess i had answered all your question you had written above

Best, Karl

KARL226M, questions:

1. Can you explain the basic principles that your system uses?

2. Why are you posting videos and promoting it, especially when the bets you're making and sequence of numbers reveals to casinos who you are?

3. Are you selling anything related to roulette?

Quote from: Karl226m on Jan 29, 08:35 PM 2019
Hi there!
Is me the guy from that channel:

Many of you not believe me that i can win always,
but in roulette all what is matter is continuity, some players might win on some spins: 10k per spin, but if they don't have some good strategy with what can win at 90% of the spins as the way i am doing, than  they are very fast out as well, so is not important if you go big on roulette the important is to have continuity.
and many of you is calling the roulette software: RNG, hell no, is not random numbers generator, cause if is so, there will be no more logic on the numbers and no strategy will work than if the numbers are random at roulette,
and yes i had played a lot at those roulette software, i will leave links to some of my software roulette videos:

and yes i have  a strategy with what i can win always, the proof are my videos posted every day,
cause there are some players on youtube with 10 or 15 videos maximum what they are considered the best (what the people are speaking about) and when you check their channel you see that they not post anymore since 2017, so those 10 videos might be some luck or they might post just the winnings,

and also i am playing also just one session per day i already said that in my videos, cause from my experience gambling all day long at the end you will be on the loose site, cause let's say in the first session you manage to do 1000â,¬ profit let's say and than you join after one hour again, and your brain is more relax and you as well is like oh i know this game very well i made 1000â,¬ one hour before, and you forgot that for those 1000â,¬ you were very concentrate and hard work, and you loose your money in the 2nd session very fast, and than you continue again and you loose again and than you are more irritated cause you are loosing and than nothing is working anymore, and that i told you from my experiences.

so the best way is to have one session per day, or maximum 2, sometimes i have 2 as well, one in the morning and one in the night, but this year so far i guess i only played once per day,
and mostly i deposit 20â,¬ and if somehow i understood wrong the calculation i can loose that 20â,¬ in 2 minutes, cause 20â,¬ are not so much, and of course i not upload a video of 2 minutes to show you where i loose 20â,¬ doesn't make sense,
but mostly i manage to win from my first deposit,
and i am doing this as my hobby i don't want to get rich from this, and i am not affiliate with any casino.
And also my intention with my channel was and is that: to inspire you or to show you that is possible to win at roulette when you start as little as 20â,¬ and playing with 5000â,¬ is wrong, 
if i will be a casino i will show you the way they want , i might start with 10000â,¬ to play roulette, lol, playing roulette with 10k anyone can do it, even my grandma. :D
Before i made my channel when i was looking roulette on Youtube there were guys who started the session with 10k, 5k, 2k, 1k, 300â,¬, even 300â,¬ i consider much to start a session, so

so i guess i had answered all your question you had written above

Best, Karl

Hey Karl,

It’s you then ! Great I am happy for you that you managed to beat the house with your simple strategy

Keep it up, I wish you luck !

Take care

thanks

Karl, please see my questions.

He is playing a random version of dealer's signature, the version that many people in casinos play. It's played with little reference to rotor speed or or spin direction.

His selection on successive spins is based on

(a) Section opposite on the wheel to the number winning on last spin.

(b) What the next number in numerical sequence is. He starts with n with a target of n+1 and then from n+1 the target is n+2 etc. Since successive numbers are often on opposite sides of the wheel this works reasonably well most times.

(c) If the target is undershot or overshot by a certain number of pockets he takes this into consideration on the next spin. "Following what the wheel is doing"

Although he doesn't pay attention to spin direction, this is taken into account by following his numerical sequence eg from 11 he targets 12 and then 13. Now 11 is on the same side of the wheel as 13 and they will both be the same spin direction.

But if you are looking at dealers signature principles, and successive numbers hit as he claims, 11 was spun from 10, on the same side of the wheel and 13  was spun from 12 on the opposite side. That's why I think his selections are pretty random.

Unless he has a chart of how those gaps vary for successive numerical spins and factors that in as well. There's no logical reason that 2 should hit after 1, or 3 after 2 etc. They are just names for pockets.

He is also relying on consistent dealer throws and exact rotor speeds as nmb is called as soon as the ball was released in the vid I saw, there is no time to measure rotor speed, assess the spin and throw type, and factor all this in before betting.

As far as I can tell, his selections are random for the information he has, and any similarity to true DS ideas are just used as a method of bet selection.

As he says, he can lose 20 Euro in 2 minutes, and doesn't post those games. He could easily lose 300 or 400 Euro in half an hour, leaving him plenty of time for when his system hits and some winning sessions to post.

He says that he hits pretty quickly, but you only have his word on what sessions he posts and what sessions he doesn't.

(I should  point out that the above explanation is based on his video of how he plays.

People have noticed him doing different things, frequently betting on opposite sides of the wheel which fits in with above.

However, he does mention he takes the error in undershoot and overshoot on prediction into consideration.

If this is big it could lead to him betting a third or more round the wheel from what the basic system says, so at times it appears he is doing something else or even using another system.

But bottom line is so far I haven't seen anything that is other than random)

hi!
i am not using that strategy anymore since September last year, so now i am using Logarithm strategy, and i never been using dealer signature or bla bla

Best, Karl

I totally agree with Karl!

He is not using dealer signature, he is playing sometimes RNG and it seems he has a solid system.

Quote from: Steve on Feb 03, 10:54 PM 2019
KARL226M, questions:

1. Can you explain the basic principles that your system uses?

2. Why are you posting videos and promoting it, especially when the bets you're making and sequence of numbers reveals to casinos who you are?

3. Are you selling anything related to roulette?

Karl, you are very quick to explain what your system is not.

But you totally ignored Steve's questions as to what it is, which I repost above for your convenience.

You are exposing yourself to the scrutiny of casinos on You Tube, and you are taking great trouble to build an audience. There must be a purpose to that. No winning system needs an audience, unless .....

But why ?

Karl is winning smal amount of money, the casino don’t care about that, believe me.!

Second, Karl can anytime develop a web based or an app that can provide real time expectations without the need to reveal his system.

What is your strategy then Karl? Why not be open and honest about what you do, this is a sharing forum. Or are you selling it to people instead? If so, then it cannot be a good system that you need a sideline income.
Appreciate some transparency.

Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 05, 06:20 AM 2019
What is your strategy then Karl? Why not be open and honest about what you do, this is a sharing forum. Or are you selling it to people instead? If so, then it cannot be a good system that you need a sideline income.
Appreciate some transparency.

Sharing  ? Is sharing caring ?

Karl, if youre full of shit, youll quickly be exposed by experienced members. Ignoring reasonable questions is not a good start.

You arent obligated to answer anything...but you say you're trying to help. Avoiding basic questions doesn't quite fit.

Steve

I think Karl doesn’t want to reveal his system to the public, I understand that.

I can understand that too.

But then why post videos on You Tube demonstrating the success, which also reveal his account names and details etc.

It serves no purpose other than to build an audience.  The only purpose of building an audience and not educating the audience is either monetisation of the videos by advertising or with a view to selling the system.

If the system is successful, then selling it is not needed. The effort of making and posting videos far outweighs the apparently easy money he makes from it. Also the act of posting videos jeapordises its success by drawing  attention to it.

Logically, you can conclude from all these points that the system is not successful overall, and the action of posting the videos is based on another motive.

Firefox

We can debate untill tomorrow on that without result !

I don’t know Karl’s system but I am impressed of his ability how he turns as least as 20$ into a few hundreds $

Chapeau !

We can debate on that till tomorrow without result, it is true. But if tomorrow or the next day, he monetises the videos or sells the system, that would be the end of the debate.

I also agree it is impressive the way he turns 20 into 320.

But, you or I could do the same by placing 20 on black and letting it ride. If black wins 4 times in a row we will turn 20 into 320. That will surely happen about 1 time in 16 attempts for a gain of 300.

The other 15 times, we will lose 20 for a loss of 300.

If we only posted our winning attempt, our system would indeed look impressive   :twisted:

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 05, 09:34 AM 2019
We can debate on that till tomorrow  without result, it is true. But if tomorrow or the next day he monetises the videos or sells the system, that would be the end if the debate.

I also agree it is impressive the way he turns 20 into 320.

But you or I could do the same by placing 20 on black and letting it ride. If black wins 4 times in a row we will turn 20 into 320. That will surely happen about 1 time in 16 attempts for a gain of 300.

The other 15 times, we will lose 20 for a loss of 300.

If we only posted our winning attempt, our system would indeed look impressive

Firefox

You can’t compare tomtaos to Banana!
The guy is playing inside bets not red or black.

He's betting about 10 to 20 numbers each spin on vids I have seen. Say 17 for example.

He then loses 16 bets and wins 35+1 on one, when he wins ie He roughly doubles or triples his stake money if he wins, so it's very similar odds and pay off to playing on columns or even chances.

You shouldnt so easily be impressed. How hard do you think it is to publish only the videos you win in?

Im being realistic, not negative.

And if spins are random, like the rng roulette in some of hos videos, how can any system win besides with luck?

Lets divide this in two parts :

1- Karl seems a successful person, even without a successful system he is showing immense determination and discipline, that’s clearly seen where he turns small amount of money into big ones.

2- karl‘s published also the losing session, And telling people to not play too long sessions !

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 05, 07:01 AM 2019
Steve

I think Karl doesn’t want to reveal his system to the public, I understand that.

I'd understand it if you kept it to yourself rather than leave a trail of breadcrumbs on an online forum...just enough so people want to know more, the real secret juice that makes it tick. Unproductive. Theres plenty people here who see right through it

Also. Imagine this forum if every system was only half revealed.
How bloody irritating that would be. Endless weeks of people wondering the concrete rules. No one ever knowing 100%. What is the point in that?
Personally I appreciate and respect those members who post full methods that others can test.

It might be worth looking at this vid

link:s://youtu.be/UyQxAHT9eFg

The first thing he says is the best way to win is not to play. That should tell you a lot!

He then reveals a few of his strategies one of which is the next number opposites thing, but counting back if the wheel is falling short.

Basically it's a random betting strategy. That is what he was playing a month or two ago and one of his ideas.

But don't read too much into it.  He has some random ideas and posts mainly winning vids. He's fairly agressive to start with risking a quarter of his bankroll on a few numbers and later on bets  12 to 18 numbers giving himself 2:1 or evens on a bet.

Having seen that last vid he just seems a genuine nice but slightly eccentric type of guy. I don't think he's going to tell you his system because there isn't really one. He just has some interesting  ideas to select random numbers.

The logarithmic thing seems to refer to one of his ideas about powers of numbers ocurring in sequence. Eg 32, 8, 2   or 27 , 9 , 3 but essentially it's just a random way to select ... as good as any other random system ;)

Hi. I had already been lost here. So whom has questions?
I might share my strategy soon.
And I don't want to share for free cause I work a lot for that, years and years. But you guys can pay after you play and win, not before.
There are people whom are selling strategy for thousands and they had nothing clear, and than after you buy you have to have a few thousands in you balance to begin playing.
With my strategy you only need 20â,¬ to can begin playing and winning.
I might sell for 500â,¬ and you pay after.
Best, Karl

I also don't want to sell anything but people are pressure me so much.
So I still think about it.

Hey Karl welcome to the Forum :)

Regarding your strategy you could give some hints i.e

(something happens in 24 spins, Law of the
third, fewer numbers bet with repeat singles)

"A car needs an engine, gas, etc to go-so does a system"

i cannot give some hits, it has to be complete strategy or nothing , cause you will more confused
my strategy is very complex, is the way how to follow the roulette,

How much have you profited from system use karl?

How long have you been a consistent winner?

Does it beat every wheel including rng roulette?

Quote from: Karl226m on Feb 05, 04:23 PM 2019
i cannot give some hits, it has to be complete strategy or nothing , cause you will more confused
my strategy is very complex, is the way how to follow the roulette,

A road so often traveled

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/05/source827bf.gif)

Quote from: Steve on Feb 05, 04:47 PM 2019
How much have you profited from system use karl?

How long have you been a consistent winner?

Does it beat every wheel including rng roulette?

hi!
since august last year i am always winning,
RNG is actually not rng, cause if is so there will be no logic in numbers anymore and than no strategy will work anymore to beat the roulette.
I am playing just once session per day, and do a few hundred every single day

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 04:52 PM 2019

A road so often traveled

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/05/source827bf.gif)

you can travel that road a lot but if you not open the eyes wide you might travel that road at over and over again and never arrival at the destination.

ok, i write you on my list that you don't want my strategy and so is fine for me.

Hey Karl!! i'm your fan from Youtube :) Nico!! It's great your partecipation here!

thanks man
cheers!

Best, Karl

He doesn't have a system, It is a strategy that follows along on whats currently happening in the game....trends ect.. A complex repeat strategy.. So to speak. I am very happy that Karl shows us the game of roulette can be beaten on a consistent basis without having a huge bankroll!! Even if he told us his strategy, We would have to here it over and over again to understand it!! And practice practice practice it!! I have watched and listened to all Karl's Videos. I get the logistics of what he is doing....but it would be hard to explain?  How do explain something that's always moving? 7 came out it landed on 19.. now count from number 8 the pockets to number 7 on what direction the ball was spinning on the wheel? then add+ or minus - 7 Pockets and then theres your numbers to bet on..oh yeah some have 3 neighbors  some have 2 and some are straight up....and do all these calculation in 20 seconds and place the bets, LOL Not very easy to explain or even play..takes years of experience!!

Karl, what you described is touching on advantage play. I already know advantage play generally works, but there are also very poor adaptations of AP. For example, expecting that "hot sectors" is "bias", when it's just variance.

But something isn't all peachy here.

* Claims like beating roulette every day are dubious. Online casinos react quickly to consistent winners. Even real casinos wouldnt tolerate someone who wins every day. And even if you switched between online casinos, you cannot win every day because suitable conditions are not available every day. And if you only played "flawed RNG" then I find it difficult to believe there are any online casinos using flawed RNG. And certainly not multiple casinos with flawed RNG. No PRNG is perfect, but you cant realistically get an edge strong enough to overcome the HE. A claim like "every day" sounds like a naive sales pitch, without proper understanding or experience with long-term wining at online casinos.

* Assuming Karl's system works to some degree, it isn't the only AP system. As he is relatively new, I expect he'll still have lots to learn. We're talking him winning for a few months vs multiple others who have decades under their belt.

* The teasing with short-term videos, which could easily be only the "winning sessions" is suspicious. And in comes the discussion about selling. We've seen this all before.

BE CAREFUL OF NEW FALSE PROPHETS. DONT BE GULLIBLE. USE COMMON SENSE.

Keep asking questions, the right questions, and eventually the truth comes out.

At this stage I think Karl is only beginning to look at AP. I think he is looking to make money from selling.

Everyone should think very carefully about sending anyone money for a roulette system. Almost all are scams or at least dont live up to claims.

If I had lots of time to waste, I'd create a new member and pretend to sell something, and make it all convincing for the newbies by publishing a few videos of wins. Maybe even some screenshots of huge withdrawals. The experienced players and members will immediately smell a rat and highlight the problems. And the gullible newbies will protect their savior.

But even if I did that to prove a point, I dont think it would even make a dent on some people's gullibility.

Anyway Karl, if you're going to sell, it needs to be in the sales section. But in light of recent scams there, if there are obvious red flags that are more than speculation, your selling wont be allowed. And please keep in mind the rules for selling. THIS INCLUDES DO IT IN THE OPEN WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE - NOT VIA PRIVATE MESSAGES. There's nothing stopping you discussing with buyers off the forum, although if you start publishing email addresses, it wont be tolerated as thats what scammers do, to avoid questions and criticism from experienced members.

I reallly dont buy any of this stuff that  the value of the numbers are important via sequence or powers or some  other relationship as Karl clearly believes in his videos.

The numbers are simply  horses in the race, tags for pockets. You could name them A, B, C.... etc. You could name them Lucky Jim, or Italian Stallion etc. It  would be the same game. The wheel has no concern for what the pockets are called. It will dump the ball in the same pocket according to the physical factors on that spin regardless of what you call the pocket. For this reason, there is no logic that 27, 9, or 3 will occur together or related to each other.

No amount of experience or calculation based on the pocket numbers will give you an advantage. The  only calculation which may give an advantage are pocket distances based on dealers signature principles which Karl has stated he isn't using.

If you look at videos since last August he is clearly making calculations based on the numerical values of the pockets and when they ocur on different spins especially in the video of last December I referenced in a previous post.

I know he believes in this idea but it's just another way of selecting random bets.

guys for all who are interesting in my strategy: listen what i am saying in this video.
Thanks
and i am not that kind of person to ask money before, don't worry

Best Karl

Quote from: Karl226m on Feb 06, 03:29 AM 2019and i am not that kind of person to ask money before, don't worry

Say if 10 people get the system free. With progression, maybe 9/10 players win and think the sustem works initially.

3 of the 9 do more testing and learn better. The remaining 6 are convinced it works, and purchase.

Karl, i think you partially believe your system has some merit, but i think there are too many red flags. I think your aim is selling.

But ok so you are giving your system up front free. In that case i suggest people test very thoroughly, and understand progression systems have a very high success rate in short term. Eventually they crash. SO BEFORE ANYONE SENDS MONEY, TEST THROUGHLY.

Specifically you should test the working principle, and with flat bets, not progression. Progression is nothing but different size bets on different spins, with the same old odds.

Karl, please put me on the list of people interested in purchasing. Ill give it a fair test and pay if results are positive.

Ill test on rng too. But specifically which rng is flawed as you said?

Karl

I appreciate ur contributions!
Listen mate, why don’t we do as follows, if ur system has an edge, let’s create an application that gives live predictions to user, the user has to input previous spins and get result live, of course you can charge a fee for the service. If u interested let me know, I am IT guy and can help u

Hi Karl, Please put me on the list also...I would love to test your strategy and gladly compensate you for your experience. 

I am also very interested to join the group.
If the strategy works, I can even share a profit for long term.

Hey Karl are these all of your videos?

Hi I would also be interested
Tom

I would be interested as well please put me on the list 8)

And I wanted to participate

Good for you for sharing and not just being a pied piper figure

Let's try i!
;)

Hey Karl,

count me in as well.
Let’s give it a try with some testing

Cheers

Hi Karl, I would like to check this out too.

Thank you

Quote from: Steve on Feb 06, 07:01 AM 2019flawed

hi
i never said that one RNG (is not RNG is just software Roulette game) or other is defective

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 05, 10:19 PM 2019
I reallly dont buy any of this stuff that  the value of the numbers are important via sequence or powers or some  other relationship as Karl clearly believes in his videos.

The numbers are simply  horses in the race, tags for pockets. You could name them A, B, C.... etc. You could name them Lucky Jim, or Italian Stallion etc. It  would be the same game. The wheel has no concern for what the pockets are called. It will dump the ball in the same pocket according to the physical factors on that spin regardless of what you call the pocket. For this reason, there is no logic that 27, 9, or 3 will occur together or related to each other.

No amount of experience or calculation based on the pocket numbers will give you an advantage. The  only calculation which may give an advantage are pocket distances based on dealers signature principles which Karl has stated he isn't using.

If you look at videos since last August he is clearly making calculations based on the numerical values of the pockets and when they ocur on different spins especially in the video of last December I referenced in a previous post.

I know he believes in this idea but it's just another way of selecting random bets.

yes man in august, But now i am not using that strategy anymore, i dont have to count any pockets distance, you said about august watch my videos after october and see that i am not counting anytinng anymore,
why you spoke about august and how about my 200 videos since october until now???
so now please analyze those videos,
i am waiting
Best, Karl

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 06, 07:36 AM 2019
Karl

I appreciate ur contributions!
Listen mate, why don’t we do as follows, if ur system has an edge, let’s create an application that gives live predictions to user, the user has to input previous spins and get result live, of course you can charge a fee for the service. If u interested let me know, I am IT guy and can help u

hi, i might create that app together , but first is better you guys start with the video, you will see why after you start playing

Best, Karl

hi!
thanks guys for check in.
please send me email, on my new email which i will post soon and there you order the link to the video,
the orders here are not valid
as i said YOU NOT PAY ANYTHING AT THE BEGINNING
Best, Karl

Quote from: Karl226m on Feb 06, 02:53 PM 2019
hi
i never said that one RNG (is not RNG is just software Roulette game) or other is defective

Then what are you saying exactly? You said something like theres a pattern. Which games does this apply to?

Karl, you arent allowed to post email to sell here. Its what scammers do to manipulate victims privately. See the forum rules.

Im not saying youre scamming. The rules are to protect members just in case.

Hey Karl, could you add me to the list aswell please.

Very interesting

Quote from: Steve on Feb 06, 04:05 PM 2019
Karl, you arent allowed to post email to sell here. Its what scammers do to manipulate victims privately. See the forum rules.

Im not saying youre scamming. The rules are to protect members just in case.

i dont post any email here i did not said that
and i am not selling anything

Quote from: Steve on Feb 06, 04:03 PM 2019
Then what are you saying exactly? You said something like theres a pattern. Which games does this apply to?

i dont know what you are saying,

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 06, 10:33 AM 2019
Hey Karl are these all of your videos?

yes , of course the channel belong to me, in all videos i am playing

I don't see what the problem is Steve, yes some forum members need the protection from scammers but in this case he has already stated that no money will be required up front, so where is the risk?

If anyone is at risk it is Karl as he will be handing over thousands of hours of hard work for nothing to people he doesn't know and it is Karl that is at risk by people not paying as promised.

He has already stated that we can have a period of time to get used to the system , earn some money and pay him back. There is no risk at all to forum members .

Is it possible to re-consider in this instance ?

*


And I wanted to participate

Quote from: klw on Feb 06, 06:05 PM 2019
I don't see what the problem is Steve, yes some forum members need the protection from scammers but in this case he has already stated that no money will be required up front, so where is the risk?

If anyone is at risk it is Karl as he will be handing over thousands of hours of hard work for nothing to people he doesn't know and it is Karl that is at risk by people not paying as promised.

He has already stated that we can have a period of time to get used to the system , earn some money and pay him back. There is no risk at all to forum members .

Is it possible to re-consider in this instance ?

Is he saying that if the system doesn't work out for you, then no hard feelings, no payment required?
Or is it more a case of, you test then pay the 500?
You're right, he has the risk - because everyone could bullshit and say it loses (even if it wins) and not pay him a penny. Not saying they would but hypothetically speaking.

Grow up people

It’s another clown of a scammer

Quote from: Karl226m on Feb 06, 02:56 PM 2019
yes man in august, But now i am not using that strategy anymore, i dont have to count any pockets distance, you said about august watch my videos after october and see that i am not counting anytinng anymore,
why you spoke about august and how about my 200 videos since october until now???
so now please analyze those videos,
i am waiting
Best, Karl

I did look at what you were doing since August. In December you were really excited about numbers such as 27,9,3 or 32,8,2 coming up in conjunction.

This has no significance. As I said you could call those pockets ABC or XYZ and it would be the same game. They are just labels on the wheel and the layout. The numbers are just tags for the pockets. Their numerical value has no importance in any logical advantage system.

Until you provide some indication of how the system obtains an advantage, I think you are just betting on random numbers. You don't have to say exactly how it works, but I've seen nothing so far which indicates you have an advantage.

Quote from: Karl226m on Feb 06, 03:00 PM 2019please send me email, on my new email which i will post soon and there you order the link to the video, the orders here are not valid as i said YOU NOT PAY ANYTHING AT THE BEGINNING

And Karl, you already said you are looking at selling it, except you dont intend to take up-front payment.

I also explained why "no up-front payment" doesnt mean it isnt a scam.

Quote from: klw on Feb 06, 06:05 PM 2019
I don't see what the problem is Steve, yes some forum members need the protection from scammers but in this case he has already stated that no money will be required up front, so where is the risk?

Most people will think short term tests are good enough. They dont know almost every progression system wins short term, and only later crashes. As I said before:

QuoteSay if 10 people get the system free. With progression, maybe 9/10 players win and think the system works initially.

3 of the 9 do more testing and learn better. The remaining 6 are convinced it works, and purchase.

Karl, i think you partially believe your system has some merit, but i think there are too many red flags. I think your aim is selling.

But ok so you are giving your system up front free. In that case i suggest people test very thoroughly, and understand progression systems have a very high success rate in short term. Eventually they crash. SO BEFORE ANYONE SENDS MONEY, TEST THOROUGHLY.

Specifically you should test the working principle, and with flat bets, not progression. Progression is nothing but different size bets on different spins, with the same old odds.

And Karl, you havent answered my question about your claim to beat RNG.

You said:

Quotei never said that one RNG (is not RNG is just software Roulette game) or other is defective

I dont think you know what RNG is. It is "random number generator", which is used by "software roulette".

And i asked: Then what are you saying exactly? You said something like there's a pattern. Which games does this apply to?

I can see language is a barrier here. But I can still see the holes in your claims.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 06, 06:39 PM 2019Grow up people
It’s another clown of a scammer

I agree but it's still important to keep an open mind. You know once I even let Alabalah state his case. I saw all the holes and initially kept quiet. I started to speak up when it was getting really obvious, but many people still had no clue.

And eventually the stink of it got so bad, only about half of members saw the nonsense for what it was, and i had to ban him for the  good of the remaining believers. Of course I was attacked for that.

I have the benefit of experience when it comes to new gurus on forums. They should be allowed free speech etc in the interests of being open and productive. But if the line gets crossed, of course something must be done.

The problem is there are so many new self-professed gurus. Even gurus from years ago still have people fooled. I still hear "unintelligents" going on about CEH's secret.  They come and go. The dominant flavor for now is Turbo and repeats. The gurus exist because there is a constant influx of new, inexperienced and gullible people to keep things rolling. It makes matters worse when half the members (even long-term members) have such poor understanding of basic probability.

In the end all anyone experienced can do is say their piece, and let people make their mistakes.

Having said all that, Karl can say his piece etc, but if that line is crossed then I have to take action. If it turns out he's honest, no problem - all is good.

Having being the target of bullshit from people who lie their assess off, I'm particularly receptive to anyone being falsely accused of scamming etc. There are always two sides of the story. And while you may be right about Karl, we'd still need to be open to possibilities. Otherwise we shut ourselves off and dont learn. The balance must also consider not wasting time on obvious bullshit - which it reaches when you see things like blatant contradictions, bad logic that you know to be bad etc. - the kind of things turbo does, although not everyone understands it.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 06, 06:39 PM 2019
Grow up people

It’s another clown of a scammer

i have not needs to giving you any strategy, you guys requested a lot on my channel, that push me to said i will share my strategy with you guys, i might think twice than,
scammer who is selling something and take the money before,
as i said you dont need to pay me at the beginning you can do it after 30 days as you want.
ok , i wrote you on my black list

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 06, 07:15 PM 2019
I did look at what you were doing since August. In December you were really excited about numbers such as 27,9,3 or 32,8,2 coming up in conjunction.

This has no significance. As I said you could call those pockets ABC or XYZ and it would be the same game. They are just labels on the wheel and the layout. The numbers are just tags for the pockets. Their numerical value has no importance in any logical advantage system.

Until you provide some indication of how the system obtains an advantage, I think you are just betting on random numbers. You don't have to say exactly how it works, but I've seen nothing so far which indicates you have an advantage.

sadly you dont know anything about roulette,
cool

Karl

I agree with u, this forum lost its sense since long time, all what you receive only critics from some members, i suggest we move ahead.

Regards

Quote from: Steve on Feb 06, 09:17 PM 2019
Most people will think short term tests are good enough. They dont know almost every progression system wins short term, and only later crashes. As I said before:

And Karl, you havent answered my question about your claim to beat RNG.

You said:

I dont think you know what RNG is. It is "random number generator", which is used by "software roulette".

And i asked: Then what are you saying exactly? You said something like there's a pattern. Which games does this apply to?

I can see language is a barrier here. But I can still see the holes in your claims.

i knew what RNG means, i already explained in my very fist comment on this post here,
search for my very first comment and see
and i said RNG you called guys wrong cause is better you call like Software Roulette, cause the numbers at roulette are not random.
i played at all those Software as you can see in my videos, and i smashed all

please quote next time my words

As far as I can tell he uses a positive progression system, not a negative one.

He starts off with 20 units and if he wins reinvests those winnings making gradually bigger bets on about 10 to 20 numbers each time. This is fine. For every time he gets a win of 300  there will be 15 tries where he loses 20.  Plus a few more to account for the house edge on his action.

It doesn't take long to lose 20. Much of the time  he gets wiped out in a few spins. He's plenty of time each day to make a hit and do the losses. Sometimes he does post a losing session where he does well initially. He may even be up a bit in the short term due to the normal ups and downs of gambling which may have convinced him his logarithmic selection is the key.

He's basically playing a rev lab game on the numbers which looks spectacular when it does well. But there are steady losses of his initial stake in the background.

exactly ,
today also i start with 20 and i made 1000

i mean there might be guys who can do what i am do it with 20â,¬ once or twice, but every day since august?
if you have no clue you are out in the first , two spins, cause 20â,¬ is not much, or you can do it one time as i said,
but i am doing everyday,
and as i said playing roulette with 5000â,¬ even my grandma can do it, i mean you dont have to have any skills to play roulette with 5000â,¬

Proof is not a few videos. Anyone can do that.

Time will tell the truth.

some guys are selling strategy where you have to pay 5000â,¬ and than you have to have another 3000â,¬ in your ballance for you can start playing and do 300â,¬ out of 3000â,¬ per day,
about those people nobody said anything,
and i am not selling anything
i give you my strategy and you send me from your winnings later as you want, is up to you

RouletteGhost is on my black list anyway

Quote from: Steve on Feb 07, 01:57 AM 2019
Proof is not a few videos. Anyone can do that.

Time will tell the truth.

what you meant with anyone can do that?

 AND I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING GUYS
I CAME ON THIS FORUM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS,
YOU CAN SEE MY FIRST COMMENTS HERE AND SEE MY INTENTION FROM THE BEGINNING
THIS WITH SHARING MY STRATEGY CAME ONLY YESTARDAY

Karl will you make videos abt your new strategy?

Don’t see what the big issue is here..Karl is putting himself out and only wants money if you win after 30 days..Instead of thinking he’s a scammer just try his system for free..many won’t give him money from profits that’s the way of the world..
You can even virtual bet it before putting real money on it..
Give the guy a break

Good luck Karl ..

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 07, 02:21 AM 2019
Karl will you make videos abt your new strategy?

yes and i will send it in private to whom want, for free as i said

His staking system is fairly good. He just bets a proportion of his bankroll. Starting with 20 he can make 8 bets of 0.5 some of them on splits. He can still cover about 12 to 20 numbers giving him an evenish chance of winning.

If he wins a few he can afford to go up to 1s and 2s and 5s betting with the house's money on a positive progression. He just bets 10 or 15% of his bankroll later or more if he risks a big win.

Very similar to a system like reverse labouchere but on the numbers. Playing 18 numbers he's got an even chance or thereabouts if he plays a few less or more.

It's not something anyone can do, he's fairly careful with his stake amounts and disciplined enough to take it steady.

But his bet selection on neighbours around the wheel is random.  He calls it "following the roulette" but his assertion that a certain number follows a previous one is totally false, so in the end he's no advantage.

The advantage he does have, is when some people win with this idea which some will do in the short term. Then he pockets 500 EUR a time. That's a positive outcome for him.

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 07, 02:51 AM 2019
But his bet selection on neighbours around the wheel is random.  He calls it "following the roulette" but his assertion that a certain number follows a previous one is totally false, so in the end he's no advantage.

The advantage he does have, is when some people win with this idea which some will do in the short term. Then he pockets 500 EUR a time. That's a positive outcome for him.

i do not bet random, random means luck, i cannot have luck every day, lol
no advantage, what?

my system for long therm not short, in 100 years we still can speak about my system.

Quote from: Karl226m on Feb 07, 02:57 AM 2019
i do not bet random, random means luck, i cannot have luck every day, lol
no advantage, what?

So if the numbers 0-25 were replaced with the letters A to Z and 26 to 36 with the letters a to k, and the same on the table layout, would your system still work, and how would you then select your bets?

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 07, 03:16 AM 2019
So if the numbers 0-25 were replaced with the letters A to Z and 26 to 36 with the letters a to k, and the same on the table layout, would your system still work, and how would you then select your bets?

you made it complicated, is more simple actually
trust me,is a trick behind the courtin

Why should that be more complicated. I've just called the pockets different names. You bet on pockets and the ball lands in one. It's the same game. Why should it make a difference  :smile:  :question:

To the lobby of the “nay sayers”:

Shut up and let Karl give us the proof by trying his system and rewarding him with part of the profits made.

Firefox, you need to open your mind a bit more. It could be something else completely, not what you are stating replacing 32,19 etc with XYZ.

Keep an open mind. 🙏

yeah, let's make it complicated replace numbers with letters, and so on, lol, because as i seen on this forum things are complicated, so you guys used to go on this way,

Quote from: Karl226m on Feb 07, 02:44 AM 2019
yes and i will send it in private to whom want, for free as i said

Hi Karl, I would really like to take you up on this offer. If you would be so kind to please PM it to me.

Thanks

I like the sound of the Logarithm concept.

Could be a simple case of adding certain roots together to get an output sector. ?

Hi Karl,
I would also like to take you up on this offer.

Thanks.

Hello Karl, I would also be interested trying your method, thank you.

Quote from: Demystic on Feb 07, 04:02 AM 2019
I like the sound of the Logarithm concept.

Could be a simple case of adding certain roots together to get an output sector. ?

Roots of what. Roots of numbers which have come up? That's why I asked the specific question about replacing the numbers with letters.

I cant see how this would give you an advantage in sector prediction on a future spin. It would just be random, as the numbers are nothing but labels for the pockets. There's nothing magic about them or their numerical value.

I don't think Karl is a scammer  I think he genuinely believes in his idea. And his staking pattern is sound to give himself the chance to win big in a few spins while absorbing a few losses.

But it's similar to religion. I'm happy to be convinced, but he hasn't shown where his advantage in prediction lies yet. Other than "following the roulette"  which is simply using past patterns to predict future ones.

He says this in his videos. He waits for tables to do certain things in the numbers which come up. And you can see when he is playing. He doesn't bet every spin. He waits for patterns or triggers. Sounds familiar  :twisted:

Hi karl add me to your list please iv got a open mind when it comes to roulette!

Karl what is the name of your YouTube channel?  so I can watch the other videos

Is this devised just fòr online play? Does it take advantage of the rng on certain sites with software? Or is it a method that can be used anywhere? Thanks. BW

Every thing in this world has a blueprint - all energy has patterns - with transformations comes synergies - when you see it - you will know nothing is random
-the triggers/etc comment  :yawn:

The ‘fraction’ of what he has displayed on the vids won't come easy - most will fall short simply because of their all-knowing intelligence, some will lack discipline, some won't get it whilst the few that do will take a while to master it.
Karl may or may not have something, but a fair go he’s entitled to - at this stage - all he's done is propose to offer further insight to those that are interested (with view for compensation at a later date)
**and yes as the hardened players on here would alert to - always wise to do your due diligence before parting with monies

Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 08:27 AM 2019
Is this devised just fòr online play? Does it take advantage of the rng on certain sites with software? Or is it a method that can be used anywhere? Thanks. BW

No doubt he'll tell you in his own words but I've been through his You Tube vids and seen him play it against all kinds of wheels but mainly auto and live feed physical wheels. It certainly does not require a flaw in a RNG algorithm to operate.

Hello Karl, I would be interested to try your strategy, thank you.

Karl, when will it be available for testing?

Karl I'd also be interested in testing. Also happy to compensate upon success

Quote from: Xrp2513 on Feb 07, 08:03 AM 2019
Karl what is the name of your YouTube channel?  so I can watch the other videos

link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCEzYC1dwz1q0cNcM8H3PWQw

A sucker's born every minute.   :xd:

Hello Karl, I'm keen with your strategy. Please count me in.

Thanks.

I am watching Krly videos and following him.He never asked money from any one.Even in this forum, Players are asking questions and he is answering. But as usual, irritating someone without any reason, or suspecting him, spams, etc i think not good.He has his own channel, and i Hope he joined here , because someone asked him to join .
He has good game play,  experience ,strategy, and luck

I dont know Karl. Maybe he is not sacammer but it looks like classic old-skool scam.

1. make good audience (videos on youtube with winnings only)
2. make an aura of mystery (I have no time now, I want share for "free", Pay after winnings)
3. disappear for some time so when you come back some deers will fast pay because they think they catch god

Now this guy have good audience and his own followers - some of them are ready to pay any amount he wants...

Quote from: Smoczoor on Feb 09, 06:59 AM 2019
I dont know Karl. Maybe he is not sacammer but it looks like classic old-skool scam.

1. make good audience (videos on youtube with winnings only)
2. make an aura of mystery (I have no time now, I want share for "free", Pay after winnings)
3. disappear for some time so when you come back some deers will fast pay because they think they catch god

Now this guy have good audience and his own followers - some of them are ready to pay any amount he wants...

I know what you mean. BUT, he is giving this away for free...nobody has an obligation to pay if they choose not to.

I asked for it on pm but haven't received It. Has anyone? So I don't know. He could as well share it openly.

QuoteBUT, he is giving this away for free

Where? Show it to me. Words for fools are for free...

Quote from: Smoczoor on Feb 09, 08:15 AM 2019
Where? Show it to me. Words for fools are for free...

Be careful now, you might go on Karl's "blacklist" I think I've already been added  :twisted:

Quote from: Smoczoor on Feb 09, 08:15 AM 2019
Where? Show it to me. Words for fools are for free...

Where what? He said he'll post it out next week. Trust me, I am dubious af too, but adds a bit of interest to proceedings round here.

Quote from: Smoczoor on Feb 09, 06:59 AM 2019
I dont know Karl. Maybe he is not sacammer but it looks like classic old-skool scam.

1. make good audience (videos on youtube with winnings only)
2. make an aura of mystery (I have no time now, I want share for "free", Pay after winnings)
3. disappear for some time so when you come back some deers will fast pay because they think they catch god

Now this guy have good audience and his own followers - some of them are ready to pay any amount he wants...

Well, your predictions are going to plan. I took a look at You Tube, and there appears to be a problem. He hasn't sent out his system yet. It would be too difficult, he doesn't have time etc etc.

Is he about to disappear for a while?

Ive seen this situation play out many times. So far it has always ended in a flop.

With proper understanding, the red flags are obvious.

He's upped the ante a bit, turning some of his low starts into 1k or 2k. Must be playing a lot of  games and losing his stake to achieve that.

Still, 50 games losing 20EUR , he can roll those off in 2 or 3 hours, leaving himself plenty of time to post a big hitter each day.

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 12, 05:08 AM 2019
He's upped the ante a bit, turning some of his low starts into 1k or 2k. Must be playing a lot of  games and losing his stake to achieve that.

Still, 50 games losing 20EUR , he can roll those off in 2 or 3 hours, leaving himself plenty of time to post a big hitter each day.

Maybe this is why he doesn't have time to share anything, too busy waiting for the next big win to add to his channel... :twisted:

so just watched his latest upload, near the end of the video (at about 21.45) he says about now he doesn't work for free so he's going to charge for his strategy. 500euros....
Yet another con artist. looks like history repeats itself once again...

if he's making so much money there wouldn't be a need to charge. just another greedy con man.

Shock horror!

To the suckers here who are just complaining and saying bullshit :

Karl is honest guy and very successful.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 12, 06:03 AM 2019
To the suckers here who are just complaining and saying bullshit :

Karl is honest guy and very successful.

Surely then if he's so honest he should stick with his original proposal. Share the method for free and if it is successful after our testing we would then make a donation. I think that is fair.

Instead he has strung us along for the past 2 weeks and now decided he won't share unless you pay. That is the typical move every con man system seller has made in the history of system sales.

I'm still open to be proven wrong. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. It's just hard to believe after what we have seen and heard so far...
Obviously i don't know him as a person, and yes people who do know him will think differently, but in my experience his first impressions are telling me this isn't legit. Like i said I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I've been stung way too many times to give someone money out of blind faith.
If i had the money spare sitting in my back pocket i would pay him and then share it with everyone else, because not everyone here has 1000s in their bank to spend on whatever they want.

Quote from: Sparks on Feb 12, 06:19 AM 2019
Surely then if he's so honest he should stick with his original proposal. Share the method for free and if it is successful after our testing we would then make a donation. I think that is fair.

Instead he has strung us along for the past 2 weeks and now decided he won't share unless you pay. That is the typical move every con man system seller has made in the history of system sales.

I'm still open to be proven wrong. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. It's just hard to believe after what we have seen and heard so far...
Obviously i don't know him as a person, and yes people who do know him will think differently, but in my experience his first impressions are telling me this isn't legit. Like i said I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I've been stung way too many times to give someone money out of blind faith.
If i had the money spare sitting in my back pocket i would pay him and then share it with everyone else, because not everyone here has 1000s in their bank to spend on whatever they want.

Well, dude

Think of it again, if you have a winning System will you expose it to public without restrictions or control ?

Karl was hesitated if he shares or no and under what guidelines! The guy has the freedom to decide, additionally he has been attacked by some nay-sayers here so he revoked his offer ..

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 12, 06:27 AM 2019
Well, dude

Think of it again, if you have a winning System will you expose it to public without restrictions or control ?

Karl was hesitated if he shares or no and under what guidelines! The guy has the freedom to decide, additionally he has been attacked by some nay-sayers here so he revoked his offer ..

Absolutely i would. i know there are people out there like me who are struggling at home just looking for a way to earn some extra $$$ to make the burdens of life a bit easier. If i had a sure method of doing that, i would share, without conditions, without costs. If people decided that they want to donate to me after i have freely shared the information of course i won't say no, but at least i gave them the option to do so or not.

I just hope that Karl lives up to his word and helps the online community. i would surely have the most respect for him if he did, because he would be helping myself, and others with an extra income that we all need in the current bad economy.

Quote from: Sparks on Feb 12, 06:55 AM 2019
Absolutely i would. i know there are people out there like me who are struggling at home just looking for a way to earn some extra $$$ to make the burdens of life a bit easier. If i had a sure method of doing that, i would share, without conditions, without costs. If people decided that they want to donate to me after i have freely shared the information of course i won't say no, but at least i gave them the option to do so or not.

I just hope that Karl lives up to his word and helps the online community. i would surely have the most respect for him if he did, because he would be helping myself, and others with an extra income that we all need in the current bad economy.

Dude
If you are looking for a way to earn only some extra $$$, then roulette is not for you, actually roulette is for those who only want to lose some extra $$$.

And by the way, I am sure that Karl is very disciplined, his ability is very strong, he treats the game a business, he doesn’t have the gambler mentality !

So in fact, if Karl gives his system to all people in the globe, many would still lose more than they win because they have the gambler mentality !

You can get everything except discipline, you have to learn by yourself

Dude,

Go and pay the 500 (or has it gone up to 1000 now?) And beat the game that us mere mortals struggle with daily.

Please report back from a beach in Maldives and i wish you all the best.

PS. If i had the 'real' grail I would not charge a penny for it. I would share privately with those i trust in here. Just sayin'!

It seems he has quite a following on You Tube most of whom don't seem to understand the normal gaming mechanics and win/loss patterns of a fairly agressive positive progression. They are eating out of his hand, blinded in the headlights of piles of cash, desperate to pay for his method.

1.4k subs and rising daily. If he could persuade just 100 of those to part with 500 EUR,  50,000 EUR would be a fair return for a few months work.

The Youtube guy is just another gambling addict that's trying to keep his ATM card working so he can keep feeding the casino more money. :twisted:

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 12, 12:02 PM 2019
It seems he has quite a following on You Tube most of whom don't seem to understand the normal gaming mechanics and win/loss patterns of a fairly agressive positive progression. They are eating out of his hand, blinded in the headlights of piles of cash, desperate to pay for his method.

1.4k subs and rising daily. If he could persuade just 100 of those to part with 500 EUR,  50,000 EUR would be a fair return for a few months work.

Clever guy, realises the world is full of desperadoes who are easily duped by showing winning sessions and will pay for it. Hes got the right idea and fatter wallet than me.

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 12, 12:02 PM 2019
It seems he has quite a following on You Tube most of whom don't seem to understand the normal gaming mechanics and win/loss patterns of a fairly agressive positive progression. They are eating out of his hand, blinded in the headlights of piles of cash, desperate to pay for his method.

1.4k subs and rising daily. If he could persuade just 100 of those to part with 500 EUR,  50,000 EUR would be a fair return for a few months work.

tem. People can make up their own minds!
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Hi there!
I just want to clarify quick something: my system never was the price 500â,¬!! Why you inform wrong the mass?!?? Show me where I said is 500â,¬ ???
Is start selling my system with 30â,¬ down payment and I also said after the winnings the players send me the rest from 470â,¬.  Since a while ago I changed to 50â,¬ the down payment. So please don’t mess up the informations Please!!
And also my intention was never to sell my system the people pushed me so I had to.
I s difficult system don’t buy don’t try!!

You say a different thing each month, each week, each day, Karl. You change your tune as much as you change your underpants!

I'd advise anyone against paying you any money for anything.

Quote from: Firefox on Mar 21, 07:54 AM 2019
You say a different thing each month, each week, each day, Karl. You change your tune as much as you change your underpants!

I'd advise anyone against paying you any money for anything.

I don’t change anything, send me proofs and show me where I said is 500? Where I said is 500 on the same video is also the info that I said I want just 30 down payment so you took the info what you want, you are just a pantomath !!!
One thing is true my system don’t change and I still beat the roulette every day with the same system!!

I'd very strongly advise anyone against paying Karl any money whatsoever under any circumstances.

Quote from: Firefox on Mar 21, 08:24 AM 2019
I'd very strongly advise anyone against paying Karl any money whatsoever under any circumstances.

Sure
but what do you rely on when you say that?

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 07:59 AM 2019I still beat the roulette every day with the same system!!

Here's one red flag. There are too many others. Who has time to point out all the problems? Experienced players pointed out even more obvious problems in turbos logic, and many people still didn't get it. Big waste of time trying to help some really uneducated people, who were also willfully ignorant. Mission impossible.

As long as most gamblers are fools, getting fools to part with money will be easy.

I'm not saying you're scamming. But there are too many red flags, and I agree with firefox.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 08:51 AM 2019
Here's one red flag. There are too many others. Who has time to point out all the problems? Experienced players pointed out even more obvious problems in turbos logic, and many people still didn't get it. Big waste of time trying to help some really uneducated people, who were also willfully ignorant. Mission impossible.

As long as most gamblers are fools, getting fools to part with money will be easy.

I'm not saying you're scamming. But there are too many red flags, and I agree with firefox.

You cannot say that I am a scammer cause you cannot proof , so that’s mean I am not. A scammer is who sell a system for over 500â,¬ and doesn’t work so I am selling for 50â,¬ and works. So you agree with Firefox so you both are pantomath, world needs more people who knows everything. Cool,
Cheers!

Say I give a crap system for free, and everyone can pay me $1000 But only after they win.

100 people take my offer.

80 lose everything.
20 get lucky and pay $1000.

I just got paid $20,000.

Please let's not argue kanam. I wasn't born yesterday. I don't believe your claims. Like Firefox, I don't think it's wise to send you any money.

His system works. And none of the known systems is similar to his system.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 09:10 AM 2019
Say I give a crap system for free, and everyone can pay me $1000 But only after they win.

100 people take my offer.

80 lose everything.
20 get lucky and pay $1000.

I just got paid $20,000.

Please let's not argue kanam. I wasn't born yesterday. I don't believe your claims. Like Firefox, I don't think it's wise to send you any money.
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Kanam???

Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 09:10 AM 2019
Say I give a crap system for free, and everyone can pay me $1000 But only after they win.

100 people take my offer.

80 lose everything.
20 get lucky and pay $1000.

I just got paid $20,000.

Please let's not argue kanam. I wasn't born yesterday. I don't believe your claims. Like Firefox, I don't think it's wise to send you any money.

Yes don’t send me , I already said above , “don’t send don’t try!!!”
But because we are on roulette forum where are all of you looking for software and programs to beat the roulette ... I proudly can say that I beat the roulette every day without software. Hmm , everyday I woke up prouder and prouder, such a wonderful life. Cool

Quote from: nichedelico on Mar 21, 09:19 AM 2019
His system works. And none of the known systems is similar to his system.

How much have you won using it then, and have you paid up your full â,¬500 yet?

Who spread false information is also sort of scammer:  so you Firefox and Steve are sort of that???
Many of you paid for my strategy, you know, so let me ask you how much you paid? 30â,¬ or 500â,¬? And you know the answer is 30â,¬. Nobody paid 500â,¬
So why in the world you desinform the large????????

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 09:21 AM 2019Yes don’t send me , I already said above , “don’t send don’t try!!!”

Ok so can you please interpret what you meant by this:

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 07:33 AM 2019start selling my system with 30â,¬ down payment and I also said after the winnings the players send me the rest from 470â,¬.  Since a while ago I changed to 50â,¬ the down payment.

Are you asking for money or not? Or are you saying people who dont want to try just shouldn't send you money?

This is useless. Been here many times before. I think you are here to sell and make money from sales, not to help. It is ok to sell., provided it is in the right area. But I don't think you're being honest about the system. Again there are too many big holes in your demeanor, your claims, contradictions etc.

Kanam if you are honest, perhaps give people a trial of something they can see actually works. Even if it has limitations. Then give them options to try more and take one step at a time, so they can reduce their risk. what i do is give people loads of information they can verify. I also give free trials, demos etc. Ample proof for anyone who looks further. You're basing everything on your word you "win every day", and videos that are so easily faked (showing only what you want).

But then again I think of your claims like you win every day, and just know in my gut its bullshit. People are right to be wary.

I never said I want sell my system where? Show me, where I made propaganda where I said I sell my system I have the best system come to me, where I said that?? Show me the video the post something??!


Again you Desinform the people!!!!???

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 09:37 AM 2019I never said I want sell my system where? Show me

Seriously?

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 09:34 AM 2019Many of you paid for my strategy, you know, so let me ask you how much you paid? 30â,¬ or 500â,¬? And you know the answer is 30â,¬.

Quote from: Firefox on Mar 21, 09:30 AM 2019
How much have you won using it then, and have you paid up your full â,¬500 yet?

It's not like take this and win, we talk about study something that's not easy at all. Karl have brilliant mind, i can say his system work because i'm studing it, and testing it. I'm not a gambler and i don't waste money until i'm sure 100% about my skill. When i'll win i'll be happy to give money to Karl.

Quote from: nichedelico on Mar 21, 09:41 AM 2019i can say his system work because i'm studing it

and

Quote from: nichedelico on Mar 21, 09:41 AM 2019When i'll win i'll be happy to give money to Karl

Don't really mix.

Steve and Firefox are the users who spread junk news on this forum.
So finally we know now!!!
Bravo!!
You feel good now?

Karl, I quoted you. That's junk?

I gave my opinion. It's my opinion.

Don't take it personally. Don't get offended. Any reasonable mind would understand WHY I dont believe you, and would then take logical steps to prove themselves honest.

Someone with something to hide would get all offended, make it personal, and offer no form of validation of claims.

I don't at all get offended when someone is skeptical of me or my claims. They should be.

Besides what's there to get all upset about Kanam? You kept saying you never asked for money, and I just quoted your posts where you specifically said you sold your system.

And you say I'm full of shit for that? Come on. You're not helping yourself by deflecting back towards others.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 09:52 AM 2019
Besides what's there to get all upset about Kanam? You kept saying you never asked for money, and I just quoted your posts where you specifically said you sold your system.

And you say I'm full of shit for that? Come on. You're not helping yourself by deflecting back towards others.

Yes man cause people send me email and asking,  and i sold for those whom asking but again I never make a video where I said , hey now I am selling my system.
So you agree with Firefox who said I sold for 500 when in reality Was 30.

So yes you are junk as well.
Cool

I will give a very honest comment, I know Karl’s system very well.

I even programmed its logic in a computer programs and ran thoudands of simulation, i came to the conclusion that the system is not a winner!
Karl plays a sort of repetitive patterns which according to him will occur in row .

Unfortunately this belief is a total fallacy, at the same time I must admit that his skills in money management is very solid.

In February I create a video where I clarified that is 30â,¬ down payment cause my followers were confused whether is 500 or not, is I create a video where I said is 30 down payment but also in that video I said to not buy and also the title of the video is not “ I am selling my system “
Is just normal video where I am playing.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 09:59 AM 2019
I will give a very honest comment, I know Karl’s system very well.

I even programmed its logic in a computer programs and ran thoudands of simulation, i came to the conclusion that the system is not a winner!
Karl plays a sort of repetitive patterns which according to him will occur in row .

Unfortunately this belief is a total fallacy, at the same time I must admit that his skills in money management is very solid.

Of course when you use software you cannot beat the roulette , your software found not the right Logs I seen what you post in skype group, when was +10 your software found + 4 and say is not win and at +10 said is lose, so you cannot program my system in a software this is a true but you not understood.
As I said above I am proudly of my self that I am not using any kind of software and I can beat the roulette without software!

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 10:05 AM 2019
Of course when you use software you cannot beat the roulette , your software found not the right Logs I seen what you post in skype group, when was +10 your software found + 4 and say is not win and at +10 said is lose, so you cannot program my system in a software this is a true but you not understood.
As I said above I am proudly of my self that I am not using any kind of software and I can beat the roulette without software!

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 10:05 AM 2019
Of course when you use software you cannot beat the roulette , your software found not the right Logs I seen what you post in skype group, when was +10 your software found + 4 and say is not win and at +10 said is lose, so you cannot program my system in a software this is a true but you not understood.
As I said above I am proudly of my self that I am not using any kind of software and I can beat the roulette without software!

Wrong!

My software has the same logic of your system 100% !

As a wise man and before I play with real money, I always like to test ! And that’s what I did ! I am not interested in testing 10 or 20 spins only ! I want to see how the system perform in the long term, in fact I programmed your system In a very simple program and ran it against a database of spins (from same wheel !) and discovered that your log System is never gonna give you an edge if you play long enough .

You mentioned that you Place a bet after one log repeats two times in a row.. during tests I found that a miss at the third bet occurred far more than a hit ..

If you want and have no problem, I can show the result or my test

Karl, stop saying that your System can’t be programmed ! This a totally bullsjit

earlier you were saying you need help to create an app and then sell it !!!

At the same time, you terminated my membership in the Skype group because I showed the result to the members, if you are good enough you wouldn’t do something like that ... but it seems you are marketing your system for a financial benefit

Kanam you just proved my point again.

The holes in your story are getting wider. There are more with each of your posts. Im not sure anyone has the spare time to keep up and highlight the holes.

Previously I had a lighter stance on selling in the forum. But scammers took advantage of that, and the fact most people are clueless and so easily hand over money. So now I've had to take a harder position on sellers that raise some pretty obvious red flags.

Again I'm not calling you a scammer. But there are some pretty big holes here.

Do you have any members here who have purchased, and can vouch for your system being a legitimate long-term winning system? NICHEDELICO who hasnt made anything is not what I'm looking for.

And are there any members who have purchased, or received the system in any capacity, and think its a scam? (besides roulettebeater who made his opinion clear)

Again dont take it personally kanam. There are scam red flags and I'm just running a forum.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 10:14 AM 2019Karl, stop saying that your System can’t be programmed ! This a totally bullsjit

Almost anything can be programmed. The rare exception is where skill is involved, like VB.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 10:14 AM 2019earlier you were saying you need help to create an app and then sell it !!!

Yes there are many contradictory statements. Kanam are you going to call everyone a liar for repeating to you what you said?

Steve

I am honest and must say, Karl gave me bis system in the beginning for free !

That doesn’t change much, the whole folk on YouTube paid him 30 down payment, of course that can give a very financial Surplus

But my opinion on its efficiency is already noted above

Karl is not scammer, but his system is not the promised holly grail, he goes up and down with it, selling it is gonna make him the change

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 09:44 AM 2019
Steve and Firefox are the users who spread junk news on this forum.
So finally we know now!!!
Bravo!!
You feel good now?

Steve’s got his comps ....but does Firefox have an agenda? Haha! You selling anything Foxy!?  :xd:  ....I heard about those claims  :twisted:
- @ Karl - regardless, if it works and your doing well with it - why the need to drum up this 30â,¬ -50â,¬ side business - one would think what you were doing or “showing” would be lucarative enough  :question:

Steve - who’s Kanam? ....”Karl”?
....poor Kanam is the guy that got duped by Mr Scissorhands!
- unless your privy to something that we are not  ::)

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 10:14 AM 2019
Karl, stop saying that your System can’t be programmed ! This a totally bullsjit

earlier you were saying you need help to create an app and then sell it !!!

At the same time, you terminated my membership in the Skype group because I showed the result to the members, if you are good enough you wouldn’t do something like that ... but it seems you are marketing your system for a financial benefit

Unfortunately you will never be able to beat the roulette , change you nickname please!
I already said in my tutorial if some how the ball jumb from your number after win win, and you see that happens and than after that you might go with the same log , but your software already calculate other log, or when number repeat and you loose you still continue with the same was before, or you see is playing indirectly from terminals and than is playing directly like 15-7-8, after a while is doing that again and you have to do also, some things you cannot see with your stupid program never !!!
You guys are in this forum and you know how many programs you used to beat the roulette and you never succeeded so.

Again
Programs cannot beat the roulette!!!
Yes I wanted at some point to create an app
But is impossible I seen later
Also cause people pushed me and ask me if will create and I said maybe, but I knew is impossible,

Kanam.. Karl.. both start with ka. I was close. But yes I meant karl sorry.

And Firefox must be on my payroll to help me sell computers. Everything i say is just to sell stuff. Like everyone else with logic. There's no other explanation, right?

Karl

Whatever you say dont help .. you have a Deep hole in your Story !

If someone has an infallible System, he will never sell it !

Fact is, Your system is as any system in this forum, one day up, one day down ..
Selling the system aims at making money! You are seeking money !

Quote from: nichedelico on Mar 21, 09:41 AM 2019
It's not like take this and win, we talk about study something that's not easy at all. Karl have brilliant mind, i can say his system work because i'm studing it, and testing it. I'm not a gambler and i don't waste money until i'm sure 100% about my skill. When i'll win i'll be happy to give money to Karl.

Ah, so now you've changed your stance. First you say it works, now you say you're "testing it".

If it wins it should be clear very quick. After all Karl wins every day a few hundred or a thousand Euros.

There's no evidence in any video of enhanced prediction accuracy. Some of it is even on RNG video wheels.

Without enhanced prediction accuracy, you can't win consistently with a positive progression. For every video he wins â,¬240, there are 7 others he loses â,¬30 that you don't see.

Come back in a few weeks time and tell me I was right. In the meantime,  don't give  any money to Karl and expect to make it back!

I still don't get it?How Kanam got involved on all that.

my personal opinion about section on this forum called "systems for sale" - it should be closed.

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Mar 21, 10:32 AM 2019
Steve’s got his comps ....but does Firefox have an agenda? Haha! You selling anything Foxy!?  :xd:  ....I heard about those claims  :twisted:

I've never sold anything to do with roulette and never will do.

Any stuff I know, I've put on the forum for free. I posted a new 1000 spin sample on a real casino wheel the other week, to show how you can get an edge under certain conditions using dealers signature.

That's something you can legitimately get an edge on occasionally, and you don't need to buy anything to do so.

Quote from: Kan@am@ on Mar 21, 10:57 AM 2019
I still don't get it?How Kanam got involved on all that.

It seems Steve comments while he is drinking vodka
:o

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 10:46 AM 2019
Karl

Whatever you say dont help .. you have a Deep hole in your Story !

If someone has an infallible System, he will never sell it !

Fact is, Your system is as any system in this forum, one day up, one day down ..
Selling the system aims at making money! You are seeking money !

I do no sell anything!!!
Let me ask you did you paid anything for my strategy?
And how much?
As I said , my strategy need one week practicing before go making Profit, is no hole, is just in my video I cannot explain everything cause my strategy is about to follow the roulette, and only when you practice you will discover some points...,

Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 10:39 AM 2019
Kanam.. Karl.. both start with ka. I was close. But yes I meant karl sorry.

And Firefox must be on my payroll to help me sell computers. Everything i say is just to sell stuff. Like everyone else with logic. There's no other explanation, right?

I'm on record as saying I don't use computers. Not because they don't work,  they can work very well, but the risks of getting banned in UK are too great. There are a few big groups of casinos and you only need to get suspected once to get banned from a lot. But they may be a good idea for some countries.

So if I was on Steve's payroll, I'd be telling you to buy his computers without any reservations.

But his advice on how you can actually get an edge is spot on. Ditto The General. People accuse them of bullying or naysaying, but they are actually giving excellent advice and potentially saving people a lot of money.

@ Kanam - it's not the money that you make or loose along the way - it's the person that you become
- all things said and done, if you look long and hard - that $5K lesson will bring you tenfold n then some in riches

- I think Steve is wealthy and 80!  :twisted:
Haha! - easy! I know your in your 40s  :smile:

Quote from: Firefox on Mar 21, 11:02 AM 2019
I've never sold anything to do with roulette and never will do.

Any stuff I know, I've put on the forum for free. I posted a new 1000 spin sample on a real casino wheel the other week, to show how you can get an edge under certain conditions using dealers signature.

That's something you can legitimately get an edge on occasionally, and you don't need to buy anything to do so.

Firefox - I know bro   ;)
- I was just taking the mickey! - I laughed when I read that comment  about you selling something
- regarding Uncle Steve n Cookie General, yeah they do give excellent info ....that ends up becoming good info ....that ends up becoming sound advice ....that ends up becoming “I told you so” ......it’s just that the religious repetition ends up coming across as hidden agendas - that’s all  :ooh:

BTW - I do enjoy your material  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Karl226m on Mar 21, 11:17 AM 2019
I do no sell anything!!!
Let me ask you did you paid anything for my strategy?
And how much?
As I said , my strategy need one week practicing before go making Profit, is no hole, is just in my video I cannot explain everything cause my strategy is about to follow the roulette, and only when you practice you will discover some points...,

You sell, what was the offer? 30$ before, and 470 from profits. Also all you have to say it's "For me, my strategy works, i don't have to prove anything", ye you don't have to. Clearly it doesn't change the odds, so at the end it will not work.

Quote from: Loc on Mar 21, 12:32 PM 2019
You sell, what was the offer? 30$ before, and 470 from profits. Also all you have to say it's "For me, my strategy works, i don't have to prove anything", ye you don't have to. Clearly it doesn't change the odds, so at the end it will not work.

I totally agree with you!

Quote from: Kan@am@ on Mar 21, 10:57 AM 2019
I still don't get it?How Kanam got involved on all that.

My bad.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 11:06 AM 2019
It seems Steve comments while he is drinking vodka
:o

No I cant drink vodka. It doesnt agree with me. I'm not much of a drinker anyway. soooo lay opofff  me ya a asscehole

Quote from: Steve on Mar 21, 05:48 PM 2019
No I cant drink vodka. It doesnt agree with me. I'm not much of a drinker anyway. soooo lay opofff  me ya a asscehole

I only play roulette if I get drunk and have a bottle of Jack by my side. The repeater and uniques begins to hit this way.    :xd:

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Mar 21, 11:29 AM 2019
Firefox - I know bro   
- I was just taking the mickey! - I laughed when I read that comment  about you selling something

That's cool then  :smile:

I think it was a member of the Gurus who got frustrated and thought I was selling something!

I actually buy into a lot of the ideas behind the Guru stuff. Van der Waerden and the rest, is recognised mathematical theory and some of the solution bounds to higher orders are fascinating.  But I just don't think it has  valied application in beating the wheel. You can see they are still scrabbling around with "testing" and coming up short despite numerous assertions they have the answer.

I don't like the way they are deliberately vague about stuff which is common maths knowledge, and less than honest about having a valid application for some of these ideas.

Answering questions with unrelated questions is never a good idea. Anyone should be honest about what they have, and if they don't want to be honest, just don't post about it.

Because, if you are not honest, either it's a scam preparation, or you are deliberately baiting.

And nobody likes a master baiter  :twisted:

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I feel the system needs more cowbell.

Quote from: Kan@am@ on Mar 21, 10:59 AM 2019
my personal opinion about section on this forum called "systems for sale" - it should be closed.

I can see the reasoning.

They all lose so it would save people money.

But they do stimulate traffic and discussion. So a balance to be stuck.

This guy made a software with Karl's strategy:





Can someone explain how he calculated the terminal numbers ? I tried, but i can't figure out. If we can do that, we can easily understand his strategy for free.

Quote from: acmplayer on Apr 01, 04:08 PM 2019
This guy made a software with Karl's strategy:

Can someone explain how he calculated the terminal numbers ? I tried, but i can't figure out. If we can do that, we can easily understand his strategy for free.

I know how he plays but I can not tell how because if I tell you, you might get rich and if you get rich, you will will get bad life especially your family will suffer from that. Imagine that if you have too much money, your wife will start being gelous and your kids will be sad as You will have no time to see  or talk to them, also you will need to pay lots of tax to the state, your health will deteriorate because you might get fat since you will be able to eat high caloric foods such meats and fish... so reflect for a moment and enjoy your life as it is

Interesting that the the videos don't really seem to explain the method that Karl uses to bet. They dress it up in all kinds of terminology such as logs, imaginary numbers, and terminals.

But basically he seems to play in a kind of repetitive shift of neighbours bets around the wheel. Sometimes shifting a few places, sometimes staying in the same place, sometimes shifting across the wheel. It's like the simple approach to dealer's signature. Sometimes this can work, but it's likely more random than not.

However, the videos on the bet selection methods seem to be intent on adding more layers of complexity, while getting away from what is happening on the wheel. Must be a reason for that!

Be careful here.

Guy wants 50 euros upfront then you pay the other 450 euros out of your winnings for the logarithm strategy whatever exactly that is .

looks like he is covering half the board ,so no different then  playing the even chances

If you want to pay 50 euros for that,well upto you I guess

He sent me email after I requested details

If one examines the material from the guy who is selling the calculator for Karl's system, Casinowala, you can see he has lots of web pages with repetitive type search engine text attraction characteristics. Some of the text is just really basic advice you can find anywhere, like a roulette wheel has 37/38 numbers, you can make different bets,  and "learn the rules before you play".  Other parts are quite dodgy advice. Interspersed multiple times among all this "helpful" advice are multiple insertions of his commision based casino affiliate sign up links. You may  draw your own conclusions.

Quote from: moles40 on Apr 05, 02:56 AM 2019
Be careful here.

Guy wants 50 euros upfront then you pay the other 450 euros out of your winnings for the logarithm strategy whatever exactly that is .

looks like he is covering half the board ,so no different then  playing the even chances

If you want to pay 50 euros for that,well upto you I guess

He sent me email after I requested details

He covers about half the board, maybe 20 numbers in 3 neighbours bets plus some additional splits. Then combines it with a fairly agressive positive progression, upping his bet sizes from his winnings. It's similar to something like a reverse Labby as he's playing almost even bets. He needs to hit very frequently to survive. Normally playing this style you'd expect to lose a lot of starting capitals before you went on a  big run. However, we never seem to see this. His videos present hits every time. Again, draw your own conclusions.

gone a bit quite in here.Still the guy is posting  posting the videos though :question:

He is playing roulette everyday from last 10 years... Based on his experience, he judges which section will hit next... If it's so powerful... He should not stop after half hour...... He also has condition... Play only when roulette is playing your game..

I bought his logarithm system.

I don't see any logic behind it. Basically you from the last number to subtract or add +-1, +-2, +-3, +-4, +-5, +- 10 (these are the logs), this give gives you the so called imaginary number. After you use that to find the terminals ect.

I created a python script and run around 100,000 spin and saw no patterns. Basically, there is no logic or mathematics behind his system. The strategy relies on the log staying consistent, but my tests showed every new spin there is 65% loss of log, which means the log doesn't stay consistent for you to win.

Now in his forum he wants $450 to share his full strategy, but I can see people who bought the strategy is not winning.

But he is uploading everyday videos on YT showing his winnings.

I can tell you you will be lucky to win $300 with $15. He only shows his first depost, but he probaly makes 10 $15 depost to win $300.

His profit comes from selling his system. But he does share his full strategy.

Quote from: jesus69 on May 14, 02:33 AM 2019
I bought his logarithm system.

I don't see any logic behind it. Basically you from the last number to subtract or add +-1, +-2, +-3, +-4, +-5, +- 10 (these are the logs), this give gives you the so called imaginary number. After you use that to find the terminals ect.

I created a python script and run around 100,000 spin and saw no patterns. Basically, there is no logic or mathematics behind his system. The strategy relies on the log staying consistent, but my tests showed every new spin there is 65% loss of log, which means the log doesn't stay consistent for you to win.

Now in his forum he wants $450 to share his full strategy, but I can see people who bought the strategy is not winning.

But he is uploading everyday videos on YT showing his winnings.

I can tell you you will be lucky to win $300 with $15. He only shows his first depost, but he probaly makes 10 $15 depost to win $300.

His profit comes from selling his system. But he does share his full strategy.

Also advertising for casino !
If someone has a powerful system, he wouldn’t share with anyone!

With even basic understanding, you can easily identify a losing approach without needing to test. You can see Its the same shit repackaged.

Quote from: Steve on May 14, 04:45 AM 2019
With even basic understanding, you can easily identify a losing approach without needing to test. You can see Its the same shit repackaged.

It is difficult to say if a system is full of crap because this guy uploads videos everyday winning more than  $300 and sometimes over $1k. We don't know how much money he loses making these videos. And he has build some following on YouTube. So I guess his income does not come from roulette but selling stuff and casino affiliates.

He is claiming the full system costs 450 euro. But I can't tell if it is a scam given that he is uploading winning videos almost everyday, people in the comments treat him like god

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 14, 04:30 AM 2019If someone has a powerful system, he wouldn’t share with anyone!

He says the full system costs 450 euro and so for 5o euro he is only showing basics of of the system. And I know a lot of stupid noobs paid for it, so no one is winning with this basics strategy and he is asking for more money.

Once you understand what does and doesn't affect the winning number, you can know if the strategy is likely useless. Usually a system is based on a foundation. For example, repeaters, hold numbers, cold numbers, etc. There are unlimited ways to repackage these approaches, but in the end they're the same crap.

i buy his system . and too much difficult to find log . i get loss almost 1200$ playing his strategy . still i cant find the right log , if anyone find the log which system he sell from us plz tell me . 

Quote from: CristianAdrian on May 15, 06:46 AM 2019
i buy his system . and too much difficult to find log . i get loss almost 1200$ playing his strategy . still i cant find the right log , if anyone find the log which system he sell from us plz tell me .

Stop playing this stupid systems - they do not work....

With a bit of research and understanding, you will head in the right direction. But most players prefer to reinvent the broken wheel.

Quote from: CristianAdrian on May 15, 06:46 AM 2019
i buy his system . and too much difficult to find log . i get loss almost 1200$ playing his strategy . still i cant find the right log , if anyone find the log which system he sell from us plz tell me .

Sometimes the worst place you can be at is in your own head !

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 24, 02:38 PM 2018
He has uploaded many videos, maybe can someone detect his strategy

link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCEzYC1dwz1q0cNcM8H3PWQw

He is the smartest scammer and fraud in YouTube fooling and cheating people in a very very smart way .... I wish he uses his smartness in something good rather than cheating and scamming... This old YouTube channel is closed an snow he is fooling new people from another channel using same old videos...everyone should report the channel and YouTube will close it...

Looks that his guy himself recognised that are casino affiliate, so you are too late :)

Hi Karl add me to your list please. I'm sure your idea and system will work positively! 

Thanks Karl,

Finally got it, it's better to know a completely a new system whether the system is work or not rather than loosing everyday. I know there is no 100% successful system in the world. If so all Casino need to close their businesses.  :xd: :xd:  I have tested it and it's really working. I realized how to change the number (N + 1 - specially for terminal numbers) accordingly to the wheel change. However I mostly play on airball and sometimes on online. Sometimes his imaginary number selection is different from mine however finally can figure it out since - if lost system will stop and check again the Log number to decide imagine number again. Thanks Karl, wish you can find more and more new systems in the future.

BR
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