Here is the Topic that I will explain to all of you the HOW and the WHY the art of VB is gaining a true advantage.
(I will not teach you here of HOW to make a VB prediction.I will just explain you the REASON of the WHY with VB he have a better advantage than the ultimate math disadvantage of the -2.7ââ,¬Â¦.IF some members will show interest after reading the post ,I will try hard to teach you of how to make a VB prediction)
There are a lot of things that I have to explain so make pop-corns, grab a drink and enjoy the reading! ;)
A lot of you will have the question : ââ,¬Å"But why Jordan if you know how to play VB and also know that VB is the way to win ,you don t use it and win?ââ,¬Â
This is a fair question..so I am going to give you a fair answer .
The answer is that in order to be a professional VB player, you must have a team(of at least 3 members).And I don t have even 1 person to do it!(it is very natural having trables in finding partners to do it, because all the gamblers don t like hard thingsââ,¬Â¦they just like playing relaxed)
The reasons of having a team are 3:
1)Scout the wheels a lot faster than if you are 1 person alone.
2) CAMOUFLAGE:
Scouting the wheels by yourself is a dangerous thing. Because Casinos stuff( by cameras) will see you observing every wheel and keeping datas. So at the time that you will have found the correct wheel to playââ,¬Â¦they will be prepared and noted that you may be playing VBââ,¬Â¦.so in the 1st 10-20 spins (because you are looking into the wheel to make prediction and you are betting lateââ,¬Â¦)they can be sure of what you are doing because they have also seen you collecting DATAS before!
3)BETTING CAMOUFLAGE:
When you have a team partner you have a very good Camo when you will be betting. Because the one player will be making the prediction and the other will be betting (There are a lot of ways to give a camo indication to the betting partner of WHAT is the prediction) .So this is providing you a longer time to play in this good wheel without being noticed be the Casino stuff.
VB WHEEL CONDITIONS
In order to win with VB we must have some wheel conditions:
a)Tilted wheel
Tilted is a wheel that in the majority of the spins(at least 5 of 10 ratio)the ball will hit 1 of the 4 vertical Diamonds of the wheel.
(There is a more advanced VB method that we can take advantage of the 2 Diamonds when they are next to each and when we have a certain rotor speed range, but this is not for now.)
The tilt effect is something that still exist in the Casinos wheelsââ,¬Â¦BUT it is more rare to find it because Casinos KNOW about VB so they are more carefull than before.
Eg back in the 70s we could find 5 of 10 wheels being tilted.
Nowdays unfortunately 1 in 15 wheels will have a nice and steady tilt.
b)the second condition is that we need is a steady average jump(scatter) of the ball from the strike point number(this is the number that the ball will 1st hit into the rotor) till the number that the ball will finally land.
Casinos these modern days are using light balls and wheels with low frets in order to prevent of having a very steady scatterââ,¬Â¦BUT be observing 100 spins scatter there is a BIG chance that there will be an average scatter.
So you have just learned of the 2 CONDITIONS that are needed in order to WIN with VB.
So what is a VB prediction and why we have a better chance to win.
VB is the method that we can make a prediction of the strike point number(this is the stable valieu that we have).
So then we can add in the strike point prediction the average scatter distance and there you GO! You have a physics prediction that is not realying in LUCKââ,¬Â¦but it is relying on FACTS.
The prediction can be made with Visual way or with a Roulette Computer. BOTH ways are on the same principals.
So the conclusion is this.
By playing a math(random) system ,in every spin we have always 1/37 chances to win(on a straight number)
But with VB with may have 1 in 25 (on the spins that will hit our AIMING Diamond).So what we are doing? We are altering the unfair odds to an advantage .
This is because if we have strike point prediction eg the numbet 0 and we know that the average sctatter is +15 pockets and place our bets there(we are always betting 5 or more numbers of the prediction and the neighbours) the ball is rare to make + 25 or +3 pockets jump from the strike pointââ,¬Â¦.so in other words we are IGNORING the RARE NUMBERS that the ball will not land!
SO we play with a better advantage of the random and unfair 1/37ââ,¬Â¦Ã¢â,¬Â¦
OUF!!!! I did my best with my poor English to explain you all theseââ,¬Â¦ :)
Ok if u have questions you are free to ask.
Let me give you a very simple example.
Average scater of the ball.
Pockets of the ball jump(scatter):
1
2 x
3 x
4 x x X
5 x x x x x
6 x x x x x x x x x x
7 x x x x x
8 x x x x x x x x
9 x x x x
10 x x
11
12 x
13 x x
14
15 x
16
17 x x x
18
19 x
20 x
21
22 x x
23 x
24
25 x
26
27
28 x
29
30 x
31
32 x
33 x x
34
35 x
36
As we see from the above scatter data of this imaginery wheel ,the AVERAGE SCATTER PATTERN IS + 6 pockets from the strike pont number.....
So we are ignoring the RARE landings of the ball on the +0 to + 2 pockets and also at the +10 to the +36 pockets....
so we are playing bets at the prediction +6 pockets(in front of the strike point) plus the 3 and 3 neighbours of the right and the left of the prediction.....
This means that we are betting in every spin 7 chips.
so this means that if we win 1 of 5 spins we will be always + .
With VB we are betting on PHISICAL FACTS.....(tilt , rotor speed ,average scatter)
With maths we are always betting in every spin with 1/37 chances.
sounds basic enough but you would need a very good eye and fast response concerning placing bets.plus calculating speed of ball etc and a brain like a computer and hands as fast as lightning.plus oodles of time to find a table and if the casino camera,s on you it will also be on your partner and how quick would he or they have to be to interpretet your chosen numbers?i would say superman quick
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 20, 08:57 AM 2010
Here is the Topic that I will explain to all of you the HOW and the WHY the art of VB is gaining a true advantage.
(I will not teach you here of HOW to make a VB prediction.I will just explain you the REASON of the WHY with VB he have a better advantage than the ultimate math disadvantage of the -2.7ââ,¬Â¦.IF some members will show interest after reading the post ,I will try hard to teach you of how to make a VB prediction)
There are a lot of things that I have to explain so make pop-corns, grab a drink and enjoy the reading! ;)
Jordan amico,
Very nicely all explained....BUT....my friend N.T./who btw took the Ritz casino
for bundles 6 years ago/wouldn't agree with you.Why?????
Cause he is struggling ever since to find a suitable tables around the world
for his VB play.Recently he lost plenty at Gold Coast-surfers paradise-in
Queensland Au......and all this due to the fact that casinos have changed
balls,smaller and faster.Just my 2 cents...that there is no longer future in
this kind of play.
A lot of you will have the question : ââ,¬Å"But why Jordan if you know how to play VB and also know that VB is the way to win ,you don't use it and win?ââ,¬Â
This is a fair question..so I am going to give you a fair answer .
The answer is that in order to be a professional VB player, you must have a team(of at least 3 members).And I don't have even 1 person to do it!(it is very natural having trables in finding partners to do it, because all the gamblers don't like hard thingsââ,¬Â¦they just like playing relaxed)
The reasons of having a team are 3:
1)Scout the wheels a lot faster than if you are 1 person alone.
2) CAMOUFLAGE:
Scouting the wheels by yourself is a dangerous thing. Because Casinos stuff( by cameras) will see you observing every wheel and keeping datas. So at the time that you will have found the correct wheel to playââ,¬Â¦they will be prepared and noted that you may be playing VBââ,¬Â¦.so in the 1st 10-20 spins (because you are looking into the wheel to make prediction and you are betting lateââ,¬Â¦)they can be sure of what you are doing because they have also seen you collecting DATAS before!
3)BETTING CAMOUFLAGE:
When you have a team partner you have a very good Camo when you will be betting. Because the one player will be making the prediction and the other will be betting (There are a lot of ways to give a camo indication to the betting partner of WHAT is the prediction) .So this is providing you a longer time to play in this good wheel without being noticed be the Casino stuff.
VB WHEEL CONDITIONS
In order to win with VB we must have some wheel conditions:
a)Tilted wheel
Tilted is a wheel that in the majority of the spins(at least 5 of 10 ratio)the ball will hit 1 of the 4 vertical Diamonds of the wheel.
(There is a more advanced VB method that we can take advantage of the 2 Diamonds when they are next to each and when we have a certain rotor speed range, but this is not for now.)
The tilt effect is something that still exist in the Casinos wheelsââ,¬Â¦BUT it is more rare to find it because Casinos KNOW about VB so they are more carefull than before.
e.g. back in the 70s we could find 5 of 10 wheels being tilted.
Nowdays unfortunately 1 in 15 wheels will have a nice and steady tilt.
b)the second condition is that we need is a steady average jump(scatter) of the ball from the strike point number(this is the number that the ball will 1st hit into the rotor) till the number that the ball will finally land.
Casinos these modern days are using light balls and wheels with low frets in order to prevent of having a very steady scatterââ,¬Â¦BUT be observing 100 spins scatter there is a BIG chance that there will be an average scatter.
So you have just learned of the 2 CONDITIONS that are needed in order to WIN with VB.
So what is a VB prediction and why we have a better chance to win.
VB is the method that we can make a prediction of the strike point number(this is the stable valieu that we have).
So then we can add in the strike point prediction the average scatter distance and there you GO! You have a physics prediction that is not realying in LUCKââ,¬Â¦but it is relying on FACTS.
The prediction can be made with Visual way or with a Roulette Computer. BOTH ways are on the same principals.
So the conclusion is this.
By playing a math(random) system ,in every spin we have always 1/37 chances to win(on a straight number)
But with VB with may have 1 in 25 (on the spins that will hit our AIMING Diamond).So what we are doing? We are altering the unfair odds to an advantage .
This is because if we have strike point prediction e.g. the numbet 0 and we know that the average sctatter is +15 pockets and place our bets there(we are always betting 5 or more numbers of the prediction and the neighbours) the ball is rare to make + 25 or +3 pockets jump from the strike pointââ,¬Â¦.so in other words we are IGNORING the RARE NUMBERS that the ball will not land!
SO we play with a better advantage of the random and unfair 1/37ââ,¬Â¦Ã¢â,¬Â¦
OUF!!!! I did my best with my poor English to explain you all theseââ,¬Â¦ :)
Ok if you have questions you are free to ask.
Sounds basic enough but you would need a very good eye and fast response concerning placing bets.plus calculating speed of ball etc and a brain like a computer and hands as fast as lightning.plus oodles of time to find a table and if the casino camera,s on you it will also be on your partner and how quick would he or they have to be to interpretet your chosen numbers?i would say superman quick
This isn t the case...
If you have never experienced a VB prediction you can t have an opinion on it...
As for the fast placing bets...this is one more reason why there must be 2 people to do it...the 1 is making pred and other is betting.
Jordan amico,
Very nicely all explained....BUT....my friend N.T./who by the way took the Ritz casino
for bundles 6 years ago/wouldn't agree with you.Why??
Cause he is struggling ever since to find a suitable tables around the world
for his VB play.Recently he lost plenty at Gold Coast-surfers paradise-in
Queensland Au......and all this due to the fact that casinos have changed
balls,smaller and faster.Just my 2 cents...that there is no longer future in
this kind of play.
Flatino the Ritz team WIN isn t as u think ....
It was a Casino managment deal with them in order to do money londery....
Someone has explained it to you wrongly!
Ritz team win was a set up....the very easy wheel conditions was on perspose...
So keep the poor talking only for urself.
As for the negative and imature posts...what can I say?
I promised to Vic that I will behave...so I will have to just delete them.
Jordan amico,
Very nicely all explained....BUT....my friend N.T./who by the way took the Ritz casino
for bundles 6 years ago/wouldn't agree with you.Why??
Cause he is struggling ever since to find a suitable tables around the world
for his VB play.Recently he lost plenty at Gold Coast-surfers paradise-in
Queensland Au......and all this due to the fact that casinos have changed
balls,smaller and faster.Just my 2 cents...that there is no longer future in
this kind of play.
F_LAT_INO the Ritz team WIN isn t as you think ....
It was a Casino management deal with them in order to do money londery....
Someone has explained it to you wrongly!
Ritz team win was a set up....the very easy wheel conditions was on perspose...
So keep the poor talking only for urself.
As for the negative and imature posts...what can I say?
I promised to Vic that I will behave...so I will have to just delete them.
[/quote]Jordan,
Now my friend you went to far.
These things I know from the first hand,and not from someone that explained to me.
Niko ToÃ...¡a is my friend and we had many casinos night spent together.
And why would my post you consider negative,cause I said that there is not future
in that kind of playing.In fact thats what Niko said to me.It seems that somebody
explained things to you wrongly,my dear Jordan.
i didn,t think mine was immature i was just stating the obvious from your 1st post.how does your partner know what to bet on when you are making the prediictions?how would you relay the imformation excactly and quick enough for him to bet all the while remaining unnoticed?if you had the time for that why not place the bets yourself
would it not be more accurate ,quicker and less unnoticible?what as well would be the time frame to actually find a suitible table to study and make enough profit to cover your travelling ,hotel, food and parteners expenses.simple basic questions not immature from anyones point of view who wants to study the art of vb don,t you think?
I didn,t think mine was immature I was just stating the obvious from your 1st post.how does your partner know what to bet on when you are making the prediictions?how would you relay the imformation excactly and quick enough for him to bet all the while remaining unnoticed?if you had the time for that why not place the bets yourself
would it not be more accurate ,quicker and less unnoticible?what as well would be the time frame to actually find a suitible table to study and make enough profit to cover your travelling ,hotel, food and parteners expenses.simple basic questions not immature from anyones point of view who wants to study the art of vb don't you think?
The post about the bear was imature.
Now about the above things that you said:
there is a way that the partner that is betting can IMEDEATELLY understand where is the position of the prediction.and it requires 1 sec to understand it.
As for why you can t place the bets ourselfs is because we are close to the wheel making predictions...and the table with the carper is far....(it is also matter of CAMO as I explained in my 1st post)...so as you understand now it is quicker and less noticable IF we have a PARTNER!
As for the partners expences ...If you have a partner you also have a Bigger BR, don't you think? ;)
So betting with biger chips you are making Bigger profits....
I can handle any question and I am very happy to anwer them in order for you to understand finally what VB is really about.
But please don't post your questions as they aren't question ...u are posting things like assumptions....
1st ask...learn and then make as many assumptions as you like :)
As for F_LAT_INO:
I never said that winning with VB nowdays is simple and quick....I have said that 100 times! So as you can now understand no one explained to me the things wrong....
As for the Ritz Team it was a deal between the Casino and the team in order to wash money.
At this point, Jordan, you have 2 choices:
* bite back (....please don't....you are being tested by some of the comments!)
or
* simply carry on with your interesting explanations.
For all non-VB (AP) players >>> Anyone reading/responding to Jordans thread(s), lets PLEASE be consistent. Asking him questions, no problem. I hope Victor does not have to quote a dictionary as far as what does 'rude' or 'negative' mean? Please, lets let Jordan explain his side and then, only FAIR questions for the guy. No one (future posts) needs to slam VB in any form. I/we dont want him slamming method play so lets all be consistent. I'm trying to be as non-bias as I can, thank you!
Ken
I have a question for U J.
How does Dealer signature and dealer change over affect VB?
MRJ
"""Please, lets let Jordan explain his side """
What you fail to understand so many years in the forums is that VB is NOT MY SIDE or ANYONES SIDE!!! :)
Please don't take things so personaly....
VB is a way to play...MATHS is a way to play.
The point is WHICH of those 2 methods has a GENUINE REASON to be able to win in the long run ...
So its not that I AM A VB PLAYER and you are a MATH PLAYER...leave those TITLES to the side PLEASE.....
This thread is made from me just to HELP,HELP,HELP the people that has no clue about VB or the people that have misanderstood VB to understand what really is about. :)
If after understanding what VB really is ,they continue to think that MATHS are better ,then its their choise...no problem from me.I am not selling anything neither VB is a religion....
THANK YOU!
chrisbis
My friend. I am glad that you asked this question because you gave me the oportunity to CLEAR THIS MESS in the heads of the people that doesn't know what VB is.
people that doesn't know VB think that the dealer change or dealer signature can afeect VB.... :)
THIS IS A VERY WRONG THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VB has NOTHING to do with DS or DEALER CHANGE!
Dealer Signatute is a BIG GAMBLERS FALLACY!
The players that play Dealer Signature are the people that are FAILLING to master the art VB and insted of it they THINK by playing Ds they are gainning an advantage! SO WRONG!
Let me explain it to you very accurate.
Imagine that Roulette wheel is a TARGET.and that the ball is the DART.
Imagine that in every spin the wheel(target) can move with different speeds....and also the ball(DART) can be thrown ANY speed(ancle)...(this is the real case when we play in a casino)
With VB what we do in every spin is:
1)Measure the speed of the moving target(meaning wheel speed)
2)Measure the DART ancle (meaning ball cairtein REVOLUTION in order to know WHEN the ball will hit the wheel )
3)add the wind blow power(meaning the scatter of the ball when it will 1st impact the wheel till the landing number)
So as you may understand with VB we have ALL the factors CALCULATED! ;)
WITH DEALER DIGNATURE we do NOT have ANY of these calculated!!!!!!!!
With ds we just HOPE that:
1)The dealer will throw the ball with the same speed as the spin before(impossible!!!)
2)The dealer to spin the wheel with the same speed as the spin before(Impossible!!!...Even 1 pocket/sec faster or slowr than the last spin speed will give a resault that can be COMPLETELY OPOSSITE from the last SPIN!!!!)
3)that the ball will do the same scatter as in the spin before(meaning that we haven t record enough scatters to find out the AVERAGE SCATTER!)
So as you understand ONLY in the Dealer Signature Fallacy the dealer change can affect things......by the way as you may understood above ,even if the dealer will not change we can t win !
I hope that I solved your questions
Clear as mud.
The question was for the community, as well as myself. 8)
Im a subscriber to the GenuineWinner,com site, so I know all about
the 'art', just don't need it at the mo, since I am at this time (maybe different next year)
only able to play my Roulette on line, and not B&M yet.
(and I don't have the big $$$$$ that the lads over there
want for the reader, & they just put the prices up!!)
Thanx for a most enjoyable response, and Im sure all readers will be interested in the contents.
Please keep Ur posts coming on this most fascinating subject.
(Next time I'll include a little mark in my question to indicate,
its a Q. on behalf of the community.) :thumbsup:
I'm Loving Ur take on life Jord. :xd:
Perhaps U could post up the array of sites to visit,
and all the info U have gleaned on the sudject in this thread,
so that folk can gen themselves up on the !ART!
an thus U will have a more ...... 'enlightened' audience to post to!. ;)
Woooo
Wooooo
Woooooo Jordan.
Did not say I was buying.
Did not say I was ever going to buy anything.
And I would have done a lot of research before hand on him/them anyway.
But thank U for the words of help.
Can U see now why I'd like to read as much info on the subject in here please!! :thumbsup:
No problem.
Just don't read anything from this scam.because you will never learn what VB is really about!
He will just confuse you even more! ;D
Laurence Scot
Jafco
Forester
These are the only genuine people that you can learn....
exclude Mark Howey , Bob Gordon and ofcource Stef Harmouzis
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 21, 07:36 AM 2010
No problem.
Just don't read anything from this scam.because you will never learn what VB is really about!
He will just confuse you even more! ;D
Laurence Scot
Jafco
Forester
These are the only genuine people that you can learn....
exclude Mark Howey , Bob Gordon and ofcource Stef Harmouzis
Ive read loads this last 2 Years or so
And ive concluded I cant trust any of the mentioned ppl with my money
He says this you say that they say this he did that......
There it seems, is no obvious way, to tell who is genuine and who is not.
Twisteruk
When someone has learned the correct and the only way to make a VB prediction he can tell WHO is genuine and who isn t by reading their MATERIALS...
So I have read all their materials and I KNOW for sure which of them are SCAMS and which are GENUINE.
ps. There aren't a lot of ways to make a genuine VB prediction...there is ONLY 1.
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 21, 07:52 AM 2010
Twisteruk
When someone has learned the correct and the only way to make a VB prediction he can tell WHO is genuine and who isn t by reading their MATERIALS...
So I have read all their materials and I KNOW for sure which of them are SCAMS and which are GENUINE.
ps. There aren't a lot of ways to make a genuine VB prediction...there is ONLY 1.
Yes Im sure ure correct.
However I was talking from my perspective.
I dont even know if what you say is true.
NO, thats not an attack. Just a plain and simple staement based on the available info.
I would need to meet you and everyone else on that list and spend time with them to determine who was being truthful.
Who taught you Jordan ? I ask because ive long believed your pov to be the correct one
My friend find me just 1 good reason of WHY ME not to be true?
I mean WHY what would be my motive to tell you lies?
I don't sell anything. I am not promoting anyone....I don't have anything to gain.....
I am just trying to help the people that maybe are intrested in VB.And help the people that has misandertood VB to find out what it really is.
This is my only motive ...to HELP YOU. :)
as for who tought me:
1) I read Laurence Scot VB material(basic principals of VB)
2) I read Jafco VB material and tought how to take advantage of 2 Diamonds and learn how to clock ROTOR SPEED with the most fast and accurate way.(advance method)We have also sent about 100 e-mails to each other to clear some things up.
3) I bought 3 Rcs of Forester and learned HOW a RC is making Calculations.
4) I have even made my OWN RC that combining it with human Rotor calculation has great accuracy(but I don't need it any more because VB is more relaxed with the same and even better accuracy from ALL the RCs)
4)I have read Bob Gordons material and its is JUST an estimation...u can t use it to gain an advantage(it is a little better than the Dealer signature)
5)I have read the Genuine Winner of Harmouzis(they sent it to me for free) and I saw that it was a very basic Dealer Signature that you can t use it anyware.It is just Random predictions.
Do you need more? :)
My VB knowledje is very solid.
Trying to prove that I am not true has no meaning,because as I said my motive is just to help. ;)
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 21, 08:12 AM 2010
My friend find me just 1 good reason of WHY ME not to be true?
I mean WHY what would be my motive to tell you lies?
I don't sell anything. I am not promoting anyone....I don't have anything to gain.....
I am just trying to help the people that maybe are intrested in VB.And help the people that has misandertood VB to find out what it really is.
This is my only motive ...to HELP YOU. :)
as for who tought me:
1) I read Laurence Scot VB material(basic principals of VB)
2) I read Jafco VB material and tought how to take advantage of 2 Diamonds and learn how to clock ROTOR SPEED with the most fast and accurate way.(advance method)We have also sent about 100 e-mails to each other to clear some things up.
3) I bought 3 Rcs of Forester and learned HOW a RC is making Calculations.
4) I have even made my OWN RC that combining it with human Rotor calculation has great accuracy(but I don't need it any more because VB is more relaxed with the same and even better accuracy from ALL the RCs)
4)I have read Bob Gordons material and its is JUST an estimation...u can t use it to gain an advantage(it is a little better than the Dealer signature)
5)I have read the Genuine Winner of Harmouzis(they sent it to me for free) and I saw that it was a very basic Dealer Signature that you can t use it anyware.It is just Random predictions.
Do you need more? :)
My VB knowledje is very solid.
Trying to prove that I am bit true has no meaning,because as I said my motive is just to help. ;)
Yes I accept that could be the truth.
I also accept that all the other ppl mentioned on that list would say the same thing or words to that effect.
So, are you looking to build a Team ?
How do you intend to help me ?
So, are you looking to build a Team ?
How do you intend to help me ?
I just told you that I have nothing to gain.....
Looking for biulding a TEAM would be a GAIN for me ...wouldn t it be? :)
Even if my motive was to build a TEAM it can t be done! Because we live in different countries!
The help that I am providing to all of and NOT just you is:
1)Learn the WHY the VB art has an genuine advantage on Roulette. Instead of the Math systems that are based on PURE LUCK.
2)Make in the mind of any member in here clear that VB isn t a scam either something that rely on luck.
3)IF I will see that from all the topic ,some members will show real interest(because they finally understood WHAT VB IS REALLY ABOUT) I am prepared to give you step by step all of my KNOWLEDJE and experience in order for playing.....
Nothing is easy with VB..... BUT at least anyone that has the patience and sharp breain to use it he can REALLY take an advantage and be a winner in the LONG RUN.
Casinos have a lot of money and everyday are ripping more and more players that are playing math systems.
So my only motive is to try and help you to make some money from them.....
After all its not my money ;)
If you like to take a taste of a VB prediction go and read and watch all this Topic :
link::// rouletteplace.com /index.php?topic=868.0
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 21, 08:22 AM 2010
So, are you looking to build a Team ?
How do you intend to help me ?
I just told you that I have nothing to gain.....
Looking for biulding a TEAM would be a GAIN for me ...wouldn t it be? :)
Even if my motive was to build a TEAM it can t be done! Because we live in different countries!
The help that I am providing to all of and NOT just you is:
1)Learn the WHY the VB art has an genuine advantage on Roulette. Instead of the Math systems that are based on PURE LUCK.
2)Make in the mind of any member in here clear that VB isn t a scam either something that rely on luck.
3)IF I will see that from all the topic ,some members will show real interest(because they finally understood WHAT VB IS REALLY ABOUT) I am prepared to give you step by step all of my KNOWLEDJE and experience in order for playing.....
Nothing is easy with VB..... BUT at least anyone that has the patience and sharp breain to use it he can REALLY take an advantage and be a winner in the LONG RUN.
Casinos have a lot of money and everyday are ripping more and more players that are playing math systems.
So my only motive is to try and help you to make some money from them.....
After all its not my money ;)
Ok, thats brilliant :thumbsup:
Many thanx for your good intentions :)
I would like to give my unbiased opinion here.
When you are trying to decide who is telling the truth and who is not, you only need to make a few simple calculations and things should become a bit clearer.
There are people out there who are claiming hit rates of 1/18. This is ridiculous.
Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo (the biased wheel bloke) had an edge of roughly 6%. This was enough to make him over a million dollars in a few years before he was not allowed in any casino.
If you can hit 1/18, This means you have about a 40% edge. If this was the case, they would be no casinos left :wink: In fact, you and your team would have won 10's of millions. You would certainly not be on any internet forum talking to the public trying to convince them to part with a few thousand. You would keep it to yourself and people you could trust. This is what Garcia did. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sucker.
So maybe when you ask who the honest people are? Ask yourself this question.
Who is NOT selling anything, but is generous enough with their time to point you in the right direction. Why would they do this? Obviously, some of them have a great passion for the game.
My answer here would be Kelly and Snowman and Laurance to a lesser degree. (I say to a lesser degree because Laurance does sell VB material, however to be fair to him, he does not claim overnight success and his material was advanced stuff even 20 years ago. The guy has being there and done it)
The rest are just clever marketing men who only need a few suckers every year to make it worth their while. I forget who they are just now :-X
Jordan is pretty much right on the money with his opinions. Of that, I am 100% convinced.
flukey luke
I completelly agree with you mate! :)
And you are right that if a person claims to have 1:18 advantage now days ..he is really a SCAM!
The real advantage that we can have nowdays on average is about 5%...so u are correct in that too.
thanks for ur reply
As for the topic that I gave you to watch :
I was very new in VB at that time and thought that a RC can have greater accurasy than VB.
I was WRONG!
After my expirience in the real wheels I found out that VB is better than any RC.
There are reasons for that ...but it is very begining to try and explain to you the why because you don t even know what VB really is. :)
And yes u understood correct! The person that is giving you the VB lesson in tjis videos is me ;)
I just deleted an offentive and out of topic post.
sorry.
I am trying to help the ppl in here....all the offendive posts that are filling the topic with $hits will be revoved
thank you.
Well i agree but still donÃ,´t understand what was shit and offensive ???
Just stick around. You may learn some things ;)
Yes i allways learn :P
Oh!
I forgot to mention that IF someone will learn how to make a VB prediction and he will obsearve a lot of spins in order to make predictions....HE WILL INSTANTLY UNDERSTAND THE WHY ANY MATH SYSTEM CAN NOT WIN!
In other words he will see with his own eyes and he will understand with his own brain that as the rotor and the ball are moving and as the ball is hitting the diamonds and make a scatter jump and finally land on any number...he will imediatelly understand that EVERY SPIN IS completely INDEPENTENT!!!!!!!
the falacy that all players are falling into when they are trying to make math - patterns systems is that they think that Real wheels are like an RNG progrem tha has algorithms in order to make the next outcome!
But as you have all experienced ,even the RNGs has NO pattern that you can follow to win....because they are also absolute random generatiors!
As the famous Bias and VB player Snowman say: The way to win is to ATTACK the machine(wheel) that makes the outcome...and not try to attack at the game(previous results) because it will be completely random...and Roulette odds + Randomness will always be= -2.7. :)
"What you fail to understand so many years in the forums is that VB is NOT MY SIDE" >>> lol, word it how you want Jordan, I was trying to help you out.
"As the famous Bias and VB player Snowman say" >>> :o
Ken
@ Jordan
Please LOCK this thread from others, and use it only to post your teachings.
Please open another thread for questions and discussion about VB.
At the moment I can't follow what you're trying to say because of ALL THE INTERRUPTIONS!!!!
Quote from: esoito on Nov 21, 05:55 PM 2010
@ Jordan
Please LOCK this thread from others, and use it only to post your teachings.
Please open another thread for questions and discussion about VB.
At the moment I can't follow what you're trying to say because of ALL THE INTERRUPTIONS!!!!
Good point i agree as i am still wait to learn some-thing - did not find any in this thread - but maybe he wants to take things slow and step by step.
I agree....I am ready to learn when you have some free time.
Ken
I am glad that some of you are intresting in gaining a real advantage. :)
I am impressed that even MrJ showed interest ;)
Yes you are correct that I MUST take things step by step because are a lot of things that you must learn...So step by step is the only and correct way.
this Topic was only about to explain to you the WHY with the VB art we are gaining an advantage over the wheel.(reasons...genuine reasons)
I also posted above that IF I would see real interest I would make a new Topic with serious step by step VB lessons. AND I WILL! ;)
1st of all....Did you watch the Videos in the site page that I gave you?
2nd............ The members that are intrested to learn please post your names here in order to make a new Topic with real lessons and include you in.
You know what?
I thought about it and I don't want to make a private Topic.
All the memebrs have the right to post questions(some of them in the biggining maybe they will be sceptic....but as the lessons will go on they will also see that VB is the read deal ;) )
So If they have a question they are free to ask....
BUT IN ORDER OF THE NEW TOPIC NOT TO BECOME A ZOO....I WILL DELETE EVERY OFF TOPIC POST....BECAUSE THE people THAT NEED TO LEARN MUST NOT BE INTERUPTED.
ps. I still need to see the members that are intrested in VB.
so please post ur names here in order to see if it worth on making the new Topic. ;)
I'm interested. :)
I'm interested :thumbsup:
And yep watched all the vids, will watch them again though :)
Twisteruk
Yes it will be a nice thing to see the videos twice.
But don't worry if you don't understand some things.it is completely natural.All your questions will be covered when we will start the new thread of the lessons.
Bayes too? WOW! I am impressed! ;D
ps. don't worry people.....when you will understand all the factors in order to make a VB prediction you will realise that it isn t a hard thing....
Its like the bicycle...its a little hard to learn in the biggining but when you learn its easy. :)
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 22, 03:58 AM 2010
Twisteruk
Yes it will be a nice thing to see the videos twice.
But don't worry if you don't understand some things.it is completely natural.All your questions will be covered when we will start the new thread of the lessons.
Bayes too? WOW! I am impressed! ;D
ps. don't worry people.....when you will understand all the factors in order to make a VB prediction you will realise that it isn t a hard thing....
Its like the bicycle...its a little hard to learn in the biggining but when you learn its easy. :)
Hello again, my user name is ego and i want to learn andvantage play.
Is it ok to ask questions when you post about andvantage play?Cheers
Ofcource Ego.
Questions is a MUST!
intrested memebers so far.
1)ego
2)Bayes
3)esoito
4)Mr J
5)Twisteruk
ps.I garanty you that when u will will be able to make a VB prediction you will never again concern to play a math system....and this not only because you will be able to make money with VB...but mostly because when u will see(realise) HOW a wheel is bahaving in order to make an outcome u will all realise that Math systems was for sure something that couldn t gain an advantage over the Long Run.
And you have all expirienced the LOSS in the Long Run with any Math-pattern system.But finally you will understand the WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool :embarrassed: when can i ask my first question ?
Cheers
Jordan, I know a little about VB because I purchased Laurance Scott's package a few years ago, but wasn't that impressed (particularly by his "acoustic" method, which didn't seem very practical at all).
I've been considering buying the Jafco package, so I'd be grateful for any info you have on this. All sellers say that their method is the best, but what else would you expect? :) It's hard to get an unbiased opinion.
Don t buy anything....all u need is to follow my new Thread :)
But YES jafco method is the best....But u can t play in all the wheels with it.
The VB that I am going to teach you is a MIX of the BEST PARTS of all the VB materials . ;)
THIS IS THE REAL DEAL!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 22, 04:12 AM 2010
Don't buy anything....all you need is to follow my new Thread :)
But YES jafco method is the best....But you can t play in all the wheels with it.
The VB that I am going to teach you is a MIX of the BEST PARTS of all the VB materials . ;)
THIS IS THE REAL DEAL!!!!!!!!!
Sounds very good and very cool - what a nice thing of you to teach about andvantage play :thumbsup:
Hey Jordan is the offer still on? I would like to be included in the list:)
Really looking forward to Ur teaching lessons......
Would U like an apple bringing?? :P
Hi Jordan,
I'm reading with interest your posts since your approach to the game is wheel based and related to ball movement, calculating the most favorable area where the ball should land.
I must say I'm a follower of Kimo Li theories and strategies which have to do with distances among sockets taking into account past outcomes.
I would like to go on reading about the knowledge you want to share with us.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Carlos.
carpanta
Does Kimo Li method include clocking(measuring) of the Rotor speed? NO
Does Kimo Li method include predicting at the moment of the same remainning time for the ball to drop into the rotor? NO
Does Kimo Li method include to find the average scatter of the ball from the time of the 1st impact till the time that the ball will stop? NO
So What you have experienced before with Kimo Li methods has NOTHING to do with VB.
VB= REAL ADVANYAGE
Kimo LI= GAMBLING
I am glad my friend that you want to join because this is a very good oportinity for you to understand the WHY the Kimo Li methods has nothing to do with Reallity,
Learning how the rotor and the ball and the scatter is behaving you will automaticaly understand the WHY these BRUCE LEE methods are GAMBLING FALLACIES
OK the list till now is like this:
1)ego
2)Bayes
3)esoito
4)Mr J
5)Twisteruk
6)weddings
7)Chrisbis
8)Carpanta
In some hours the 1st post of the new VB lessons topic will be ready. :)
ps. Chrisbis bring your apples ;)
I am always interested in learning new things, count me in! :)
Oh Fripper I though VB was a scam to you....what happened? why u changed ur mind? :)
I picked U a juicy green one Mr Jordan, sir. :wink:
"Oh............... thats not an apple Bis..................thats disgusting!!!!" :-X
Yes always prefare the greek apples instead of the reds...it will keep you fitness :)
look forward to the post=]
Jordan can u count me in pls. thanx
What time it the film starting, cause I gots me popcorn, me dwrinks, and me hotdooooog with mustard and ketchup, man.
I wanna see the film now man!!
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 22, 05:58 AM 2010
Oh Fripper I though VB was a scam to you....what happened? why you changed your mind? :)
I haven't said that it was a scam Jordan. I have never used it so I can't say much, I hardly believe that we can take advantage of it alone, but with a team it could be possible (As you say).
We have different views of things, nothing new :D
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 22, 05:55 AM 2010
carpanta
Does Kimo Li method include clocking(measuring) of the Rotor speed? NO
Does Kimo Li method include predicting at the moment of the same remainning time for the ball to drop into the rotor? NO
Does Kimo Li method include to find the average scatter of the ball from the time of the 1st impact till the time that the ball will stop? NO
So What you have experienced before with Kimo Li methods has NOTHING to do with VB.
You are 100% right. Kimo Li has nothing to do with VB. But I'm not here to discuss whether he is right or wrong while putting into play his strategies. I'm open minded so I want to know about VB all the same.
Thanks for your reply and for including me in your students' list.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Count me in as well Jordan and thank you for giving us the opportunity to learn some interesting stuff about the art of VB. :thumbsup:
We have different views of things, nothing new
Fripper
It isn t that we have different views of things...its that u don t have a complete view of the things in order to pick the right one and throw out the wrong one ;)
Ok I will start in a few minutes to start the Topic.
the lessons will be liek this:
Teaching - practice Teaching - practice
I know that most of you don t have DVDs with Real Video spins so I will provide you a link that u will practice ....
This Topic will be locked now
CU