I thought, I would take this testing away from the main Vaddis thread, which is long and busy enough.
Here, I'll continue with my Wiesbaden trials of Sparks interpretation of Vaddis methods. As a recap, this is his rules...
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"Alright. Here's this.
Procedure: Note the newest High
and Low outcomes respectively.
Bet those two and the next higher number on
each once. Repeat steps for each new spin-value.
Example: 21,3 (newest spin-value)
Bet 21,22 & 3,4 once: 1.) 18(x)-4
Bet 18,19 & 21,22 once....
*If zero shows, count it as a Low outcome
Example: 21,3,0 (newest spin-value)
Bet 21,22 & 0,1 once...."
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So I have made 4 tests so far, in fact, let's just say 3, because one of those was not the entire day's data.
Table 3. 31.01.19. ended +388
Table 2...01.02.19 ended +208
Table 3,.01.02.19 ended +56
Now, these are by no means cherry picked or pre-vetted. I am simply choosing days and testing, so will keep you guys posted with some more soon.
That's my system Buffalowizard.
Sparks' was to wait until you had a Vaddi pairing within the last four spins then
start betting that pair and add to it with each new spin-value and it's Vaddi pair.
Yes proof apologies. I copied the wrong text. This is the one written by Sparks. They are similar. Thanks to you both!
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Proof i like your way of thinking, this is very similar to a method i've been using recently with decent results.
Only play when trigger comes up: a double or pair appear in the latest 4 numbers.
If pair appears bet that pair and the next numbers with their +pairs.
Example: last 4 numbers: 31, 4, 16, 5,
Bet 4, 5
Next number: 31, 4, 16, 5, 24
next bet is 4, 5, 24, 25
I use this with a 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2 progression. If no win after 6 bets then reset.
Got me +200units last night playing at 0.5unit bets:
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Wiesbaden...Table 2...31.01.2019
7
28
0
16
18
26
36
7
30
9
35 BET 35,36
27 35,36,27,28
14 35,36,27,28,14,15
4 35,36,27,28,14,15,4,5
27 WIN +34
-- -- --
8
14
14
5
13 BET 13,14
13 WIN +50
5
26
12
33
9
29
28 BET 28,29
-- -- --
2 28,29,2,3
25 28,29,2,3,25,26
8 28,29,2,3,25,26,8,9
11 28,29,2,3,25,26,8,9,11,12
25 WIN +74
32
36
14
11
28
13 BET 13,14
13 WIN +90
17
24
-- -- --
33
1
25 BET 24,25
3 24,25,3,4
16 24,25,3,4,16,17
24 WIN +98
2
35
16
18
-- -- --
34 BET 34,35
18 34,35,18,19
26 34,35,18,19,26,27
26 WIN +106
27
27
1
21
4
29
20 BET 20,21
17 20,21,17,18
9 20,21,17,18,9,10
12 20,21,17,18,9,10,12,13
26 20,21,17,18,9,10,12,13,26,27
-- -- --
16 20,21,17,18,9,10,12,13,26,27,16,17
7 LOSS +42
10
1
19
4
7
10
24
17
12
36
-- -- --
6 BET 6,7
23 6,7,23,24
3 6,7,23,24,3,4
24 WIN +50
32
31 BET 31,32
1 31,32,1,2
14 31,32,1,2,14,15
11 31,32,1,2,14,15,11,12
2 WIN +84
-- -- --
20
9
11
24
25 BET 24,25
8 24,25,8,9
22 24,25,8,9,22,23
33 24,25,8,9,22,23,33,34
7 24,25,8,9,22,23,33,34,7,6
10 24,25,8,9,22,23,33,34,7,6,10,11
-- -- --
22 WIN +108
12
5
8
3
16
11 BET 11,12
26 11,12,26,27
25 11,12,26,27,25,24
34 11,12,26,27,25,24,34,35
-- -- --
18 11,12,26,27,25,24,34,35,18,19
32 11,12,26,27,25,24,34,35,18,19,32,33
10 LOSS +44
17
6
0
22
4
5 BET 4,5
31 4,5,31,32
33 4,5,31,32,33,34
30 4,5,31,32,33,34,30,29
34 WIN +78
9
8 BET 8,9
13 8,9,13,14
-- -- --
2 8,9,13,14,2,3
2 WIN +86
26
5
3
9
23
24 BET 23,24
25 23,24,25,26
0 23,24,25,26,0,1
9 23,24,25,26,0,1,9,10
24 WIN +120
21
-- -- --
0
5
28
25
23
36 BET 36,0
23 36,0,23,24
17 36,0,23,24,17,18
28 36,0,23,24,17,18,28,29
18 WIN +154
7
9
35
4
16
-- -- --
34 BET 34,35
1 34,35,1,2
2 WIN +188
16
3
2 BET 2,3
4 2,3,4,5
10 2,3,4,5,10,11
34 2,3,4,5,10,11,34,35
-- -- --
14 2,3,4,5,10,11,34,35,14,15
28 2,3,4,5,10,11,34,35,14,15,28,29
6 LOSS +124
8
29
16
-- -- --
21
30 BET 29,30
24 29,30,24,25
28 29,30,24,25,28,27
30 WIN +132
4
22
-- -- --
1
8
-- -- --
8
2 BET 1,2
21 1,2,21,22
11 1,2,21,22,11,12
15 1,2,21,22,11,12,15,16
2 WIN +166
4
9
12
20
31
2
5 BET 4,5
24 4,5,24,25
19 4,5,24,25,19,20
6 4,5,24,25,19,20,6,7
-- -- --
32 4,5,24,25,19,20,6,7,32,33
16 4,5,24,25,19,20,6,7,32,33,16,17
11 LOSS +102
28
15
21
26
17
5
16 BET 16,17
16 WIN +118
10
11 BET 10,11
21 10,11,21,22
22 WIN +152
29
0
20
-- -- --
6
1 BET 0,1
20 0,1,20,21
25 0,1,20,21,25,26
13 0,1,20,21,25,26,13,14
END
Results Update
Table 3. 31.01.19. ended +388
Table 2...01.02.19 ended +208
Table 3,.01.02.19 ended +56
Table 2..31.01.19 ended +152
As a reminder, here are the wins from each progression stage, thanks to Mako.
Bet cycle 1: +16
Bet cycle 2: +34
Bet cycle 3: +8
Bet cycle 4: +34
Bet cycle 5: +24
Bet cycle 7: +24
Cycle Loss = -64
WIESBADEN,,,,TABLE 2.....30.01.2019
Another tougher session. Another end in profit however. Another session where there are no huge drawdowns and moments when there is 100+ profit
6
12
29
22
32
1
22
16
6
2 BET 1,2
-- -- --
28 1,2,28,29
19 1,2,28,29,19,20
12 1,2,28,29,19,20,12,13
36 1,2,28,29,19,20,12,13,36,0
16 1,2,28,29,19,20,12,13,36,0,16,17
19 WIN +24
1
25
17
35
16 BET 16,17
28 16,17,28,29
31 16,17,28,29,31,32
11 16,17,28,29,31,32,11,12
6 16,17,28,29,31,32,11,12,6,7
2 16,17,28,29,31,32,11,12,6,7,2,3
24 LOSS -40
26
17
29
18 BET 17,18
20 17,18,20,21
29 17,18,20,21,29,30
18 WIN -6
28
-- -- --
13
1
20
17
26
18 BET 17,18
21 17,18,21,22
1 17,18,21,22,1,2
12 17,18,21,22,1,2,12,13
6 17,18,21,22,1,2,12,13,6,7
17 WIN +18
29
31
23
5
31
3
0
3
11
0
36 BET 36,0
25 36,0,25,26
26 WIN +52
21
29
1
34
-- -- --
4
10
20 BET 20,21
36 20,21,36,0
29 20,21,36,0,29,30
13 20,21,36,0,29,30,13,14
26 20,21,36,0,29,30,13,14,26,27
9 20,21,36,0,29,30, 13,14,26,27,9,10
17 LOSS -12
15
36
3
20
36
11
31
32 BET 31,32
4 31,32,4,5
32 WIN +22
-- -- --
34
35 BET 34,35
8 34,35,8,9
2 34,35,8,9,2,3
20 34,35,8,9,2,3,20,21
31 34,35,8,9,2,3,20,21,31,32
25 34,35,8,9,2,3,20,21,31,32,25,26
18 LOSS -42
17
29
10
5
36
2
14
5
10
17
12
3 BET 2,3
16 2,3,16,17
9 2,3,16,17,9,10
35 2,3,16,17,9,10,35,36
36 WIN -8
-- -- --
22
14
35
24
11
8
9 BET 8,9
12 8,9,12,13
35 8,9,12,13,35,36
14 8,9,12,13,35,36,14,15
9 WIN +26
11
23
10 BET 10,11
27 10,11,27,28
13 10,11,27,28,13,14
7 10,11,27,28,13,14,7,8
8 WIN +60
-- -- --
2
19
2
1 BET 1,2
0 1,2,0,36
15 1,2,0,36,15,16
6 1,2,0,36,15,16,6,7
10 1,2,0,36,15,16,6,7,10,11
7 WIN +84
31
13
34
17
-- -- --
32 BET 31,32
27 31,32,27,28
23 31,32,27,28,23,24
17 31,32,27,28,23,24,17,18
27 WIN +118
25
16
29
0
24 BET 24,25
7 24,25,7,8
3 24,25,7,8,3,4
33 24,25,7,8,3,4,33,34
34 WIN +142
7
22
35
-- -- --
9
18
25
31
10 BET 9,10
3 9,10,3,4
2 9,10,3,4,2,1
24 9,10,3,4,2,1,24,25
12 9,10,3,4,2,1,24,25,12,13
1 WIN +166
13
28
32
18
3
16
-- -- --
35
35
16
12 BET 12,13
21 12,13,21,22
6 12,13,21,22,6,7
19 12,13,21,22,6,7,19,20
9 12,13,21,22,6,7,19,20,9,10
29 12,13,21,22,6,7,19,20,9,10,29,30
8 LOSS +102
14
20
32
-- -- --
11
3
28
12 BET 11,12
34 11,12,34,35
22 11,12,34,35,22,23
1 11,12,34,35,22,23,1,2
34 WIN +136
36
2
22
0 BET ,36,0
11 36,0,11,12
15 36,0,11,12,15,16
26 36,0,11,12,15,16,26,27
29 36,0,11,12,15,16,26,27,29,30
33 36,0,11,12,15,16,26,27,29,30,33,34
24 LOSS +72
25
9
31
23
-- -- --
10 BET 9,10
11 9,10,11,12
24 9,10,11,12,24,25
4 9,10,11,12,24,25,4,5
32 9,10,11,12,24,25,4,5,32,33
17 9,10,11,12,24,25,4,5,32,33,17,18
4 WIN +96
5
35
27
9
35
21
25
23
28 BET 27,28
31 27,28,31,32
4 27,28,31,32,4,5
19 27,28,31,32,4,5,19,20
9 27,28,31,32,4,5,19,20,9,10
10 WIN +120
-- -- --
1
2 BET 1,2
3 1,2,3,4
1 WIN +154
29
36
18
28 BET 28,29
16 28,29,16,17
12 28,29,16,17,12,13
36 28,29,16,17,12,13,36,0
-- -- --
18 28,29,16,17,12,13,36,0,18,19
17 WIN +174
13
23
33
16
33
0
2
23
17 BET 16,17
5 16,17,5,6
-- -- --
19 16,17,5,6,19,20
35 16,17,5,6,19,20,35,36
12 16,17,5,6,19,20,35,36,12,13
27 16,17,5,6,19,20,35,36,12,13,27,28
3 LOSS +110
21
11
0
6
19
13
14 BET 13,14
8 13,14,8,9
31 13,14,8,9,31,32
28 13,14,8,9,31,32,28,29
15 13,14,8,9,31,32,28,29,15,16
26 13,14,8,9,31,32,28,29,15,16,26,27
20 LOSS +46
25
16
14
18
15 BET 15,16
11 15,16,11,12
-- -- --
20 15,16,11,12,20,21
20 WIN +54
19
30
3
18 BET 18,19
35 18,19,35,36
12 18,19,35,36,12,13
25 18,19,35,36,12,13,25,26
-- -- --
17 18,19,35,36,12,13,25,26,17,18
16 18,19,35,36,12,13,25,26,17,18,16,15
20 LOSS -10
0
-- -- --
19
28
14
36 BET 36,0
0 WIN +6
19
26
3
28
2 BET 2,3
23 2,3,23,24
-- -- --
7 2,3,23,24,7,8
29 2,3,23,24,7,8,29,30
30 WIN +42
7
23
15
26
18
4 END
Results Update
Table 3. 31.01.19. ended +388
Table 2...01.02.19 ended +208
Table 3,.01.02.19 ended +56
Table 2..31.01.19 ended +152
Table 2..30.01.19 ended +42
WIESBADEN...TABLE 3...30.01.2019
Biggest drawdown of all the sessions so far, but still not below -100. Another profiting day at the Wiesbaden
18
19 BET 18,19
12 18,19,12,13
15 18,19,12,13,15,16
11 18,19,12,13,15,16,11,10
22 18,19,12,13,15,16,11,10,22,23
0 18,19,12,13,15,16,11,10,22,23,0,1
36 LOSS -64
3
17
29
3
3
15
22
36
25
19
21 BET 21,22
7 21,22,7,8
8 WIN -30
-- -- --
30
5
2
4 BET 4,5
22 4,5,22,23
29 4,5,22,23,29,30
10 4,5,22,23,29,30,10,11
26 4,5,22,23,29,30,10,11,26,27
28 4,5,22,23,29,30,10,11,26,27,28,25(Had to go down to nearest unpaired number to 28)
9 LOSS -94
22
-- -- --
27
22
30
3
14
7
24
35
13 BET 13,14
-- -- --
19 13,14,19,20
17 13,14,19,20,17,18
4 13,14,19,20,17,18,4,5
17 WIN -60
15
3
13
35
19
-- -- --
6
9
32
8 BET 8,9
25 8,9,25,26
29 8,9,25,26,29,30
10 8,9,25,26,29,30,10,11
25 WIN -26
13
1
1
-- -- --
25
22
7
22
22
15
10
24 BET 24,25
16 24,25,16,17
-- -- --
34 24,25,16,17,34,35
6 24,25,16,17,34,35,6,7
0 24,25,16,17,34,35,6,7,0,1
35 WIN -2
3
31
36
18
19 BET 18,19
23 18,19,23,24
7 18,19,23,24,7,8
-- -- --
10 18,19,23,24,7,8,10,11
19 WIN +32
1
21
10
21
19
16
7
35
8 BET 7,8
30 7,8,30,31
-- -- --
17 7,8,30,31,17,18
25 7,8,30,31,17,18,25,26
35 7,8,30,31,17,18,25,26,35,36
31 WIN +56
22
21 BET 21,22
12 21,22,12,13
35 21,22,12,13,35,36
-- -- --
16 21,22,12,13,35,36,16,17
36 WIN +90
31
20
28
32 BET 31,32
36 31,32,36,0
6 31,32,36,0,6,7
-- -- --
1 31,32,36,0,6,7,1,2
31 WIN +124
18
36
20
7
16
25
21 BET 20,21
-- -- --
10 20,21,10,11
1 20,21,10,11,1,2
5 20,21,10,11,1,2,5,6
33 20,21,10,11,1,2,5,6,33,34
24 20,21,10,11,1,2,5,6,33,34,24,25
27 LOSS +60
27
10
19
10
29
-- -- --
14
24
9
26 BET 26,27
5 26,27,5,6
22 26,27,5,6,22,23
12 26,27,5,6,22,23,12,13
17 26,27,5,6,22,23,12,13,17,18
-- -- --
25 26,27,5,6,22,23,12,13,17,18,25,26
12 WIN +84
27
33
2
14
19
19
2
15 BET 14,15
18 14,15,18,19
9 14,15,18,19,9,10
-- -- --
19 WIN +92
31
23
2
11
32 BET 31,32
22 31,32,22,23
29 31,32,22,23,29,30
34 31,32,22,23,29,30,34,35
27 31,32,22,23,29,30,34,35,27,28
-- -- --
17 31,32,22,23,29,30,34,35,27,28,17,18
11 LOSS +28
26
29
7
12
27 BET 26,27
18 26,27,18,19
27 WIN +62
26
34
-- -- --
22
34
13
15
11
17
36
-- -- --
33 BET 33,34
32 33,34,32,31
36 33,34,32,31,36,0
26 33,34,32,31,36,0,26,27
27 WIN +96
33
-- -- --
23
33
8
0
8
34 BET 33,34
10 33,34,10,11
4 33,34,10,11,4,5
19 33,34,10,11,4,5,19,20
20 WIN +130
33
26
10
-- -- --
1
0
28
9 BET 9,10
2 9,10,2,3
0 9,10,2,3,0,1
-- -- --
3 WIN +138
33
35
21
Results Update
Table 3. 31.01.19. ended +388
Table 2...01.02.19 ended +208
Table 3,.01.02.19 ended +56
Table 2..31.01.19 ended +152
Table 2..30.01.19 ended +42
Table 3..30.01.19 ended +138
Looks great. Good job all 3 of you(BW,Sparks and Proof). Can I ask a couple of questions just to make sure I understand. A trigger is when a table pair appears. Does it matter how many spins they appear within each other? Also if a number repeats that is not a trigger? The only trigger is a table pair...ex 26,27.
Thanks guys
Quote from: Irish88 on Feb 02, 10:21 AM 2019
Looks great. Good job all 3 of you(BW,Sparks and Proof). Can I ask a couple of questions just to make sure I understand. A trigger is when a table pair appears. Does it matter how many spins they appear within each other? Also if a number repeats that is not a trigger? The only trigger is a table pair...ex 26,27.
Thanks guys
Hi Irish,
That's right. The way I've been testing it is to wait until a table pair appears. This can take 10,15 spins sometimes.
I have not been using a repeating number as a trigger. Only pairs. Trust me, I am trying to break this method, but unable to so far!
BW
WIESBADEN....TABLE 2...29.01.2019
These sessions are starting to take a familiar pattern now...what do you think?
30
19
3
20 BET 19,20
2 19,20,2,3
16 19,20,2,3,16,17
14 19,20,2,3,16,17,14,15
7 19,20,2,3,16,17,14,15,7,8
28 19,20,2,3,16,17,14,15,7,8,28,29
11 LOSS -64
26
8
19
33
16
26
1
8
12
0
12
14
32 BET 32,33
36 32,33,36,0
24 32,33,36,0,24,25
5 32,33,36,0,24,25,5,6
36 WIN -30
34
20
8
-- -- --
13
13
21 BET 20,21
12 20,21,12,13
35 20,21,12,13,35,36
34 20,21,12,13,35,36,34,33
24 20,21,12,13,35,36,34,33,24,25
15 20,21,12,13,35,36,34,33,24,25,15,16
34 WIN -6
26
17
9
25 BET 25,26
9 25,26,9,10
4 25,26,9,10,4,5
21 25,26,9,10,4,5,21,22
-- -- --
3 25,26,9,10,4,5,21,22,3,2
26 WIN +18
15
2
33
10
32 BET 32,33
1 32,33,1,2
31 32,33,1,2,31,30
21 32,33,1,2,31,30,21,22
29 32,33,1,2,31,30,21,22,29,28
36 32,33,1,2,31,30,21,22,29,28,36,0
-- -- --
31 WIN +42
11
5
1
33
21
2 BET 1,2
14 1,2,14,15
30 1,2,14,15,30,31
23 1,2,14,15,30,31,23,24
27 1,2,14,15,30,31,23,24,27,28
0 1,2,14,15,30,31,23,24,27,28,0,36
15 WIN +66
24
1
10
3
-- -- --
27
18
30
16
3
18
2 BET 2,3
36 2,3,36,0
28 2,3,36,0,28,29
15 2,3,36,0,28,29,15,16
3 WIN +100
6
11
31
5 BET 5,6
3 5,6,3,4
0 5,6,3,4,0,1
36 5,6,3,4,0,1,36,35
7 5,6,3,4,0,1,36,35,7,8
9 5,6,3,4,0,1,36,35,7,8,9,10
26 LOSS +36
34
-- -- --
16
31
23
16
33 BET 33,34
7 33,34,7,8
6 33,34,7,8,6,5
22 33,34,7,8,6,5,22,23
23 WIN +70
19
27
23
15
18 BET 18,19
36 18,19,36,0
34 18,19,36,0,34,35
20 18,19,36,0,34,35,20,21
33 18,19,36,0,34,35,20,21,33,32
-- -- --
2 18,19,36,0,34,35,20,21,33,32,2,3
34 WIN +94
21
4
22 BET 21,22
11 21,22,11,12
2 21,22,11,12,2,3
26 21,22,11,12,2,3,26,27
6 21,22,11,12,2,3,26,27,6,7
23 21,22,11,12,2,3,26,27,6,7,23,24
14 LOSS +30
4
11
19
34
26
-- -- --
16
20 BET 19,20
7 19,20,7,8
12 19,20,7,8,12,13
15 19,20,7,8,12,13,15,16
7 WIN +64
4
19
27
14
35
22
26 BET 26,27
34 26,27,34,35
-- -- --
14 26,27,34,35,14,15
30 26,27,34,35,14,15,30,31
3 26,27,34,35,14,15,30,31,3,4
3 WIN +88
30
2
6
35
4
30
10
32
-- -- --
21
21
16
10
25
14
9 BET 9,10
13 9,10,13,14
35 9,10,13,14,35,36
9 WIN +96
19
8
27
25
34
23
36
9 BET 8,9
-- -- --
22 8,9,22,23
22 WIN +130
30
13
33
21
3
4 BET 3,4
5 3,4,5,6
23 3,4,5,6,23,24
14 3,4,5,6,23,24,14,15
5 WIN +164
35
-- -- --
1
36 BET 35,36
5 35,36,5,6
19 35,36,5,6,19,20
5 WIN +172
20
31
10
-- -- --
32 BET 31,32
8 31,32,8,9
24 31,32,8,9,24,25
17 31,32,8,9,24,25,17,18
14 31,32,8,9,24,25,17,18,14,15
5 31,32,8,9,24,25,17,18,14,15,5,6
10 LOSS +108
5
27
19
4 BET 4,5
-- -- --
33 4,5,33,34
26 4,5,33,34,26,27
29 4,5,33,34,26,27,29,30
18 4,5,33,34,26,27,29,30,18,19
31 4,5,33,34,26,27,29,30,18,19,31,32
10 LOSS +44
15
5
36
11
36
26
29
18
2
14 BET 14,15
17 14,15,17,18
32 14,15,17,18,32,33
9 14,15,17,18,32,33,9,10
13 14,15,17,18,32,33,9,10,13,12
13 WIN +68
16
18
7
19 BET 18,19
-- -- --
5 18,19,5,6
10 18,19,5,6,10,11
11 WIN +76
29
3
END
Results Update
Table 3. 31.01.19. ended +388
Table 2...01.02.19 ended +208
Table 3,.01.02.19 ended +56
Table 2..31.01.19 ended +152
Table 2..30.01.19 ended +42
Table 3..30.01.19 ended +138
Table 2..29.01.19 ended +76
Any members, please feel free to send me your own spins and I can try/post them out too, just in case people think I am cherry picking.
I'll always want to honestly record and test methods.
BW
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Buff click on image to enlarge
Thanks Notto. Will try and do those tonight mate
Buff; thought i'd give the wheel ago, instead of bet the pair on carpet.
Now zero is top spot on wheel. To get the pairing; go forward on either side of zero. So if 31-9 gives a trigger and say next spin is 34, bet 31-9, 34-6. Say 17 lands, the 34 is covered so step back, bet 31-9, 34-6, 25-17
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/source21f98.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OpUaU)
Do you think Turbo would like the #22
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/sourcea3b9f.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Opeig)
Early days.
What does ND at G oof F orum say; those cats over at RF. Dickhead, like DSAA
WIESBADEN....TABLE 3...29.01.2019
And so here finally is a lost day's worth of spins. A struggle throughout, but I'm glad in a way, because otherwise, people might start thinking of grails! Having said that, if this still continues winning more than it loses, then you never know...
12
16
28
24
36
16
17 BET 16,17
30 16.17.30.31
24 16.17.30.31,24,25
22 16.17.30.31,24,25,22,23
2 16.17.30.31,24,25,22,23,2,3
26 16.17.30.31,24,25,22,23,2,3,26,27
6 LOSS -64
31
26
30 BET 30,31
9 30,31,9,10
31 WIN -30
30
20
15
30
3
25
-- -- --
11
30
1
33
12 BET 11,12
6 11,12,6,7
3 11,12,6,7,3,4
23 11,12,6,7,3,4,23,24
30 11,12,6,7,3,4,23,24,30,31
11 WIN -6
18
14
2
1 BET 1,2
10 1,2,10,11
5 1,2,10,11,5,6
26 1,2,10,11,5,6,26,27
11 WIN +28
-- -- --
14
32
8
8
10
6
1
30
34
3
20
15 BET 14,15
24 14,15,24,25
8 14,15,24,25,8,9
22 14,15,24,25,22,23
2 14,15,24,25,22,23,2,3
13 14,15,24,25,22,23,2,3,13,14
23 WIN +52
22
31
30 BET 30,31
20 30,31,20,21
21 WIN +86
28
-- -- --
21
0
3
35
22 BET 21,22
25 21,22,25,26
13 21,22,25,26,13,14
25 WIN +94
4
3 BET 3,4
31 3,4,31,32
30 3,4,31,32,30,29
31 WIN +102
19
18 BET 18,19
4 18,19,4,5
30 18,19,4,5,30,31
11 18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12
32 18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12,32,33
13 18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12,32,33,13,14
21 LOSS +38
33
24
29
-- -- --
4
36
11
0 BET 36,0
20 36,0,20,21
3 36,0,20,21,3,4
8 36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9
34 36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9,34,35
31 36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9,34,35,31,32
15 LOSS -26
18
25
1
24 BET 24,25
29 24,25,29,30
25 WIN +8
26
21
32
14
18
-- -- --
27 BET 26,27
14 26,27,14,15
16 26,27,14,15,16,17
10 26,27,14,15,16,17,10,11
35 26,27,14,15,16,17,10,11,35,36
8 26,27,14,15,16,17,10,11,35,36,8,9
7 LOSS -56
13
28
12 BET 12,13
36 12,13,36,0
17 12,13,36,0,17,18
14 12,13,36,0,17,18,14,15
25 12,13,36,0,17,18,14,15,25,26
13 WIN -32
5
27
23
27
16
34
12
21
27
27
-- -- --
0
27 HOT NUMBER!!
30
0
2
26 BET 26,27
22 26,27,22,23
24 26,27,22,23,24,25
12 26,27,22,23,24,25,12,13
12 WIN +2
4
14
3 BET 3,4
7 3,4,7,8
4 WIN +36
21
34
13
34
13
13
25
-- -- --
18
17 BET 17,18
32 17,18,32,33
32 WIN +70
25
14
8
30
21
22 BET 21,22
34 21,22,34,35
12 21,22,34,35,12,13
21 WIN +78
18
23
5
21
5
10
25
7
17 BET 17,18
6 17,18,6,7
-- -- --
1 17,18,6,7,1,2
31 17,18,6,7,1,2,31,32
10 17,18,6,7,1,2,31,32,10,11
12 17,18,6,7,1,2,31,32,10,11,12,13
8 LOSS +14
36
18
36
25
6
10
28
15
6
1
8
33
35 BET 35,36
22 35,36,22,23
35 WIN +48
20
35
35
29
-- -- --
9
26
32
18
10
12
11 BET 11,12
29 11,12,29,30
7 11,12,29,30,7,8
28 11,12,29,30,7,8,28,29
17 11,12,29,30,7,8,28,29,17,18
20 11,12,29,30,7,8,28,29,17,18,20,21
2 LOSS -16
30
11
32
11
17
-- -- --
11
18 BET 17,18
24 17,18,24,25
31 17,18,24,25,31,32
11 17,18,24,25,31,32,11,12
2 17,18,24,25,31,32,11,12,2,3
27 17,18,24,25,31,32,11,12,2,3,27,28
36 LOSS -80
29
22
10
33
13
33
24
13
16
5
-- -- --
24
4 BET 4,5
35 4,5,35,36
23 4,5,35,36,23,24
6 4,5,35,36,23,24,6,7
31 4,5,35,36,23,24,6,7,31,32
26 4,5,35,36,23,24,6,7,31,32,26,27
20 LOSS -144
28
26
26
16
22
32
33 BET 32,33
14 32,33,14,15
34 32,33,14,15,34,35
-- -- --
27 32,33,14,15,34,35,27,28
35 WIN -110
0
13
5
3
16
17 BET 16,17
22 16,17,22,23
17 WIN -76
30
2
19
16
14
17 BET 16,17
10 16,17,10,11
22 16,17,10,11,22,23
22 WIN -68
7
1
6 BET 6,7
26 6,7,26,27
-- -- --
8 6,7,26,27,8,9
8 WIN -60
4
35
20
2
4
18
22
13
7
11
6 BET 6,7
17 6,7,17,18
25 6,7,17,18,25,26
24 6,7,17,18,25,26,24,23
0 6,7,17,18,25,26,24,23,0,1
5 6,7,17,18,25,26,24,23,0,1,5,4
-- -- --
22 LOSS -124
14
18
10
36
14
36
18
7
26
23
-- -- --
17 BET 17,18
34 17,18,34,35
5 17,18,34,35,5,6
5 WIN -116
18
6
27
25
15
1
13
30
16 BET 15,16
20 15,16,20,21
15 WIN -82
35
2
15
0
4
21
4
17
11
25
21
-- -- --
16 BET 16,17
28 16,17,28,29
19 16,17,28,29,19,20
8 16,17,28,29,19,20,8,9
34 16,17,28,29,19,20,8,9,34,35
25 16,17,28,29,19,20,8,9,34,35,25,26
26 WIN -58
10
8
16
14
34
26
18
11 BET 10,11
13 10,11,13,14
30 10,11,13,14,30,31
21 10,11,13,14,30,31,21,22
29 10,11,13,14,30,31,21,22,29,28
19 10,11,13,14,30,31,21,22,29,28,19,20
36 LOSS -124
19
11
19
-- -- --
29
32
10 BET 10,11
28 10,11,28,29
33 10,11,28,29,33,34
5 10,11,28,29,33,34,5,6
23 10,11,28,29,33,34,5,6,23,24
1 10,11,28,29,33,34,5,6,23,24,1,2
33 WIN -100
32
8
24
12
21 END
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Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 02, 01:49 PM 2019
Buff; thought i'd give the wheel ago, instead of bet the pair on carpet.
Now zero is top spot on wheel. To get the pairing; go forward on either side of zero. So if 31-9 gives a trigger and say next spin is 34, bet 31-9, 34-6. Say 17 lands, the 34 is covered so step back, bet 31-9, 34-6, 25-17
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/source21f98.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OpUaU)
Do you think Turbo would like the #22
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/sourcea3b9f.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Opeig)
Early days.
What does ND at G oof F orum say; those cats over at RF. Dickhead, like DSAA
Thanks for joining in with the testing, none as rigorous as you! Don't see why this should show any different results on wheel/layout, so let us know. What are the numbers on left column? Units won?
Yeah, that forum is just one major downer. Go there if you want to read the same arguments being tossed back and forth for months and years.
BR is 3000 units; so one wins 148 units, the other 88 units.
Thanks to Notto for these numbers. This one was a wild ride, back and forth. Ending in a small win to pay for a couple beers
8
2
19
1 BET 1,2
3 1,2,3,4
21 1,2,3,4,21,22
18 1,2,3,4,21,22,18,19
17 1,2,3,4,21,22,18,19,17,16
31 1,2,3,4,21,22,18,19,17,16,31,32
18 WIN +24
36
16
25
12
20
16
11 BET 11,12
34 11,12,34,35
2 11,12,34,35,2,3
23 11,12,34,35,2,3,23,24
6 11,12,34,35,2,3,23,24,6,7
13 11,12,34,35,2,3,23,24,6,7,13,14
30 LOSS -40
27
5
19
16
2
4 BET 4,5
8 4,5,8,9
0 4,5,8,9,0,1
5 WIN -32
6
29
2
6
35
14
23
31
10
11 BET 10,11
6 10,11,6,7
15 10,11,6,7,15,16
21 10,11,6,7,15,16,21,22
21 WIN +2
5
9
23
27
17
36
22 BET 22,23
28 22,23,28,29
29 WIN +36
19
26
16
21
5
9
14
24
10 BET 9,10
31 9,10,31,32
13 9,10,31,32,13,14
9 WIN +44
2
24
16
28
28
27 BET 27,28
23 27,28,23,24
27 WIN +78
2
21
7
35
5
17
7
35
15
21
25
7
30
8 BET 7,8
22 7,8,22,23
17 7,8,22,23,17,18
27 7,8,22,23,17,18,27,28
18 WIN +112
23
23
33
22 BET 22,23
9 22,23,9,10
25 22,23,9,10,25,26
23 WIN +120
8
23
11
24 BET 23,24
7 23,24,7,8
15 23,24,7,8,15,16
31 23,24,7,8,15,16,31,32
4 23,24,7,8,15,16,31,32,4,5
26 23,24,7,8,15,16,31,32,4,5,26,27
22 LOSS +56
1
5
10
18
15
4 BET 4,5
30 4,5,30,31
3 4,5,30,31,3,2
21 4,5,30,31,3,2,21,22
23 4,5,30,31,3,2,21,22,23,24
2 WIN +80
5
5
23
20
34
19
3
7
25
35 BET 34,35
15 34,35,15,16
28 34,35,15,16,28,29
22 34,35,15,16,28,29,22,23
14 34,35,15,16,28,29,22,23,14,15
26 34,35,15,16,28,29,22,23,14,15,26,27
10 LOSS +16
2
14
15 BET 14,15
35 14,15,35,36
19 14,15,35,36,19,20
14 WIN +24
31
4
12
29
36
6
2
22
11 BET 11,12
5 11,12,5,6
11 WIN +58
13
34
29
2
33 BET 33,34
16 33,34,16,17
31 33,34,16,17,31,32
28 33,34,16,17,31,32,28,29
4 33,34,16,17,31,32,28,29,4,5
3 33,34,16,17,31,32,28,29,4,5,3,2
21 LOSS -6
5
33
8
17
30
10
30
24
26
23 BET 23,24
3 23,24,3,4
28 23,24,3,4,28,29
13 23,24,3,4,28,29,13,14
8 23,24,3,4,28,29,13,14,8,9
6 23,24,3,4,28,29,13,14,8,9,6,7
28 WIN +18
28
2
17
12
8
4
26
29 BET 28,29
17 28,29,17,18
11 28,29,17,18,11,12
28 WIN +26
27
16
6
31
23
0
33
21
15 BET 15,16
23 15,16,23,24
5 15,16,23,24,5,6
1 15,16,23,24,5,6,1,2
5 WIN +60
12
29
17
18 BET 17,18
31 17,18,31,32
36 17,18,31,32,36,0
33 17,18,31,32,36,0,33,34
33 WIN +94
25
28
20
27 BET 27,28
27 WIN +110
20
0
0
15
33
20
8
13
21 BET 20,21
3 20,21,3,4
10 20,21,3,4,10,11
29 20,21,3,4,10,11,29,30
9 20,21,3,4,10,11,29,30,9,8
1 20,21,3,4,10,11,29,30,9,8,1,2
12 LOSS +46
14
18
3
14
13 BET 13,14
15 13,14,15,16
0 13,14,15,16,0,1
23 13,14,15,16,0,1,23,24
34 13,14,15,16,0,1,23,24,34,35
25 13,14,15,16,0,1,23,24,34,35,25
9 LOSS -18
34
26
15
3
16 BET 15,16
27 15,16,27,28
8 15,16,27,28,8,9
1 15,16,27,28,8,9 ,1,2
29 15,16,27,28,8,9 ,1,2,29,30
35 15,16,27,28,8,9 ,1,2,29,30,35,36
2 WIN +6
0
21
3
31
5
13
12 BET 12,13
2 12,13,2,3
END
Results Update
Table 3. 31.01.19. ended +388
Table 2...01.02.19 ended +208
Table 3,.01.02.19 ended +56
Table 2..31.01.19 ended +152
Table 2..30.01.19 ended +42
Table 3..30.01.19 ended +138
Table 2..29.01.19 ended +76
Table 3..29.01.19 ended -100
Notto's numbers ended +6
I’m confused as to what’s being tested?
Wiesbaden...Table 3...28.01.2019
Weird, I thought for sure this was going to be a big losing session, but as it turns out, it was a decent one. Add another positive victory to the list!
2
9
11
26
36
17
36
9
33
11
32 BET 32,33
25 32,33,25,26
3 32,33,25,26,3,4
21 32,33,25,26,3,4,21,22
17 32,33,25,26,3,4,21,22,17,18
9 32,33,25,26,3,4,21,22,17,18,9,10
30 LOSS -64
10
32
7
4
8 BET 7,8
6 7,8,6,5
27 7,8,6,5,27,28
21 7,8,6,5,27,28,21,22
17 7,8,6,5,27,28,21,22,17,18
12 7,8,6,5,27,28,21,22,17,18,12,13
14 LOSS -128
7
2
15
4
18
33
3 BET 3,4
23 3,4,23,24
-- -- --
24 WIN -94
33
19
33
25
25
25
20 BET 19,20
7 19,20,7,8
-- -- --
23 19,20,7,8,23,24
17 19,20,7,8,23,24,17,18
1 19,20,7,8,23,24,17,18,1,2
30 19,20,7,8,23,24,17,18,1,2,30,31
26 LOSS -158
4
6
-- -- --
28
9
22
3 BET 3,4
29 3,4,29,30
28 3,4,29,30,28,27
29 WIN -150
11
10 BET 10,11
31 10,11,31,32
25 10,11,31,32,25,26
5 10,11,31,32,25,26,5,6
12 10,11,31,32,25,26,5,6,12,13
13 WIN -126
15
11
21
14 BET 14,15
17 14,15,17,18
13 14,15,17,18,13,12
4 14,15,17,18,13,12,4,5
23 14,15,17,18,13,12,4,5,23,24
0 14,15,17,18,13,12,4,5,23,24,0,1
19 LOSS -190
13
1
-- -- --
8
27
33
11
8
30
23
8
27
1
29 BET 29,30
8 29,30,8,9
29 WIN -156
20
24
35
20
0
29
4
12
-- -- --
19 BET 19,20
33 19,20,33,34
14 19,20,33,34,14,15
32 19,20,33,34,14,15,32,33
3 19,20,33,34,14,15,32,33,3,4
3 WIN -132
36
2
36
35 BET 35,36
17 35,36,17,18
13 35,36,17,18,13,14
1 35,36,17,18,13,14,1,2
20 35,36,17,18,13,14,1,2,20,21
18 WIN -108
14
15 BET 14,15
27 14,15,27,28
14 WIN -74
33
1
34 BET 33,34
23 33,34,23,24
2 33,34,23,24,2,3
-- -- --
0 33,34,23,24,2,3,0,1
8 33,34,23,24,2,3,0,1,8,9
14 33,34,23,24,2,3,0,1,8,9,14,15
12 LOSS -138
19
7
3
25
32
19
16
6 BET 6,7
0 6,7,0,1
25 6,7,0,1,25,26
0 WIN -130
13
29
9
1
6
-- -- --
25
24 BET 24,25
16 24,25,16,17
20 24,25,16,17,20,21
33 24,25,16,17,20,21,33,34
24 WIN -96
11
0
17
9
17
12 BET 11,12
35 11,12,35,36
26 11,12,35,36,26,27
35 WIN -88
6
22
0
31
29
12
-- -- --
14
14
26
30 BET 29,30
34 29,30,34,35
17 29,30,34,35,17,18
23 29,30,34,35,17,18,23,24
15 29,30,34,35,17,18,23,24,15,16
16 WIN -64
13
15
13
12 BET 12,13
15 12,13,15,16
34 12,13,15,16,34,35
6 12,13,15,16,34,35,6,7
7 WIN -30
23
23
29
21
8
6
0
-- -- --
2
22 BET 22,23
0 22,23,0,1
10 22,23,0,1,10,11
2 22,23,0,1,10,11,2,3
28 22,23,0,1,10,11,2,3,28,29
3 WIN -6
11
27
16
11
21
8
15 BET 15,16
30 15,16,30,31
31 WIN +28
22
15
5
34
7
3
7
3
24
26
32
-- -- --
30
31 BET 30,31
30 WIN +44
1
28
20
21 BET 20,21
25 20,21,25,26
9 20,21,25,26,9,10
36 20,21,25,26,9,10,36,0
16 20,21,25,26,9,10,36,0,16,17
17 WIN +68
23
30
27
26 BET 26,27
33 26,27,33,34
6 26,27,33,34,6,7
28 26,27,33,34,6,7,28,29
25 26,27,33,34,6,7,28,29,25,24
25 WIN +92
-- -- --
18
29
11
33
24
24
19 BET 18,19
14 18,19,14,15
5 18,19,14,15,5,6
14 WIN +100
36
5
3
7
29
4 BET 4,3
3 WIN +116
28
13
1
14 BET 13,14
-- -- --
7 13,14,7,8
19 13,14,7,8,19,20
21 13,14,7,8,19,20,21,22
24 13,14,7,8,19,20,21,22,24,25
24 WIN +140
26
0
22
1 BET 0,1
30 0,1,30,31
3 0,1,30,31,3,4
31 WIN +148
33
33
35
2
26
35
17
21
26
-- -- --
15
27 BET 26,27
7 26,27,7,8
6 26,27,7,8,6,5
33 26,27,7,8,6,5,33,34
2 26,27,7,8,6,5,33,34,2,3
25 26,27,7,8,6,5,33,34,2,3,25,26
9 LOSS +84
20
8
3
2 BET 2,3
3 WIN +100
20
18
27
-- -- --
5
9
34
27
2
31
8 BET 8,9
33 8,9,33,34
35 8,9,33,34,35,36
1 8,9,33,34,35,36,1,2
29 8,9,33,34,35,36,1,2,29,30
30 WIN +124
14
5
2
15 BET 14,15
9 14,15,9,10
26 14,15,9,10,26,27
6 14,15,9,10,26,27,6,7
33 14,15,9,10,26,27,6,7,33,34
2 14,15,9,10,26,27,6,7,33,34,2,3
34 WIN +148
23
29
-- -- --
36
27
24 BET 23,24
21 23,24,21,22
8 23,24,21,22,8,9
33 23,24,21,22,8,9,33,34
8 WIN +182
20
12
35
28
5
12
30
16
1
28
24
12
3
-- -- --
15 BET 15,16
24 15,16,24,25
18 15,16,24,25,18,19
0 15,16,24,25,18,19,0,1
17 15,16,24,25,18,19,0,1,17,14
27 15,16,24,25,18,19,0,1,17,14,27,28
29 LOSS +118
10
31
13
31
36
30 BET 30,31
-- -- --
25 30,31,25,26
6 30,31,25,26,6,7
34 30,31,25,26,6,7,34,35
28 30,31,25,26,6,7,34,35,28,29
5 30,31,25,26,6,7,34,35,28,29,5,4
30 WIN +142
31
36
18
29
16
27
24
32 BET 31,32
10 31,32,10,11
32 WIN +176
36
23
-- -- --
13
0
19
20 BET 19,20
30 19,20,30,31
8 19,20,30,31,8,9
30 WIN +184
31
6
25
22
17
18 BET 17,18
11 17,18,11,12
25 17,18,11,12,25,26
31 17,18,11,12,25,26,31,32
16 17,18,11,12,25,26,31,32,16,15
23 17,18,11,12,25,26,31,32,16,15,23,24
26 WIN +208
8
-- -- --
13
30
17
3
5
24
0
27
2 BET 2,3
11 2,3,11,12
0 2,3,11,12,0,1
18 2,3,11,12,0,1,18,19
6 2,3,11,12,0,1,18,19,6,7
26 2,3,11,12,0,1,18,19,6,7,26,27
16 LOSS +144
7
-- -- --
27
20
20
12
9
3
22
19 BET 19,20
22 19,20,22,23
17 19,20,22,23,17,18
-- -- --
20 WIN +152
8
16
31
33
31
31
34 BET 33,34
28 33,34,28,29
32 33,34,28,29,32,31
7 33,34,28,29,32,31,7,8
22 33,34,28,29,32,31,7,8,22,23
3 33,34,28,29,32,31,7,8,22,23,3,4
26 LOSS +88
19
24
-- -- --
6
30
17
29 BET 29,30
26 29,30,26,27
24 29,30,26,27,24,25
25 WIN +96
35
5
28
22
36 BET 35,36
33 35,36,33,34
34 WIN +130
0
34
18
8
8 END
Results Update
Table 3. 31.01.19. ended +388
Table 2...01.02.19 ended +208
Table 3,.01.02.19 ended +56
Table 2..31.01.19 ended +152
Table 2..30.01.19 ended +42
Table 3..30.01.19 ended +138
Table 2..29.01.19 ended +76
Table 3..29.01.19 ended -100
Notto's numbers ended +6
Table 3...28.01.19 ended +130
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 02, 04:14 PM 2019
I’m confused as to what’s being tested?
It's from Sparks and Proofs methods on the Vaddi thread.
Wait for 2 pairs, (I'm doing layout pairs here) then bet the (higher) pair of each next number that falls - for up to 6 times.
Progression, 111122
Stop, retrack.
Any more questions, just ask
30
11
14
8
34
20
18
10 <trigger because 10 and 11 are paired. Now bet each spin the pairs
2 <bet 10,11, plus 2 and it's pair, 3
28 <bet 10,11,2,3, plus 28 and it's pair 29
16 <bet 10,11,2,3,28,29 plus 16 and it's pair 17
28 win, retrack.
One big difference. Sparks' system has a progression.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 02, 04:42 PM 2019
One big difference. Sparks' system has a progression.
Indeed. Although, it only increases twice and by one unit.
But would be interesting to run these flat bet and see the outcomes.
Sorry to intrude, wanting to get hold of roulette ghost
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 02, 04:30 PM 2019
It's from Sparks and Proofs methods on the Vaddi thread.
Wait for 2 pairs, (I'm doing layout pairs here) then bet the (higher) pair of each next number that falls - for up to 6 times.
Progression, 111122
Stop, retrack.
Any more questions, just ask
30
11
14
8
34
20
18
10 <trigger because 10 and 11 are paired. Now bet each spin the pairs
2 <bet 10,11, plus 2 and it's pair, 3
28 <bet 10,11,2,3, plus 28 and it's pair 29
16 <bet 10,11,2,3,28,29 plus 16 and it's pair 17
28 win, retrack.
Hi,
on average how many spins do you consider x session?
Do you use an excel file or similar to test or it's done on paper ?
I have some spins from airball spintec roulette, or for example here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18503.0
Bye
Gitano
Quote from: neneduty on Feb 02, 05:44 PM 2019
Sorry to intrude, wanting to get hold of roulette ghost
Yes, this is my real hair.
I'm trying to figure out an excel file that inserting spins sessions automatically show how many wins and loose sub-sessions are present.
I guess there are more wins than loosing with this strategy, Money mngmt is the big question.
How for example one could recover from a loss subsession?
111122 it's the best progression?
Quote from: Gitano on Feb 03, 02:34 PM 2019
I'm trying to figure out an excel file that inserting spins sessions automatically show how many wins and loose sub-sessions are present.
I guess there are more wins than loosing with this strategy, Money mngmt is the big question.
How for example one could recover from a loss subsession?
111122 it's the best progression?
I dont know what you mean by sub session. Do you mean about every 100 or so spins ? The way ive been testing is 111122 progression. And thats it, win or lose. Just continue on. Do not raise any further or you're on thin ice due to the chances of a double or even triple loss in a row
Good tests, but it may be a luck? It's a tough work testing by hand, but thanks. There are for sure drawdowns. Question is how deep they go and how long to revolver?
Hi,
for sub-sessions I mean these 3 for example:
19
18 BET 18,19
4 18,19,4,5
30 18,19,4,5,30,31
11 18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12
32 18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12,32,33
13 18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12,32,33,13,14
21 LOSS +38
33
24
29
-- -- --
4
36
11
0 BET 36,0
20 36,0,20,21
3 36,0,20,21,3,4
8 36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9
34 36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9,34,35
31 36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9,34,35,31,32
15 LOSS -26
18
25
1
24 BET 24,25
29 24,25,29,30
25 WIN +8
We have 2 loss and a win .
2 or 3 losses happen quite often? How many consecutive wins I can expect ? This with an excel file should be nice to check ?
Maybe BigBroben could help me to move on with this.
Do you know the formula on excel to compare cells values and return the two pair numbers?
A
1 | 19
2 | 18 (RETURN 18,19 HERE) =IFS(OR(A2-A1=1,A1-A2=-1),A2)," ")
3 | 4 "18,19,4,5"
Quote from: Gitano on Feb 03, 05:08 PM 2019
Maybe BigBroben could help me to move on with this.
Do you know the formula on excel to compare cells values and return the two pair numbers?
A
1 | 19
2 | 18 (RETURN 18,19 HERE) =IFS(OR(A2-A1=1,A1-A2=-1),A2)," ")
3 | 4 "18,19,4,5"
I personnally create 37 columns for all 37 nrs and give conditions for each individual nr to be valued as 1 or 0. Another 37 columns is used as a LOOKUP reference for a third 37 column which writes what nrs to bet ( the ones with a ''1'' value below them in the first block). See the ''Sparks has bite'' file in page 100 of Vaddi HG thread, the hidden columns on the far right.
It allows another W/L column to compare the new nr with the ones in the different bet cells. You can then add conditions to the first block of 37 columns: reset on a hit, reset at new high, delete nr on a hit, so on.
If you really want the nrs to appear in a single cell, use the "" and & tools:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/04/source812c1.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OuMxS)
I think the cells that shows the nrs would be considered as a text cell, so it would be hard to automatize the process. But you could make all the played nr appear in one single cell for display only. You really need the nrs to be treated individually to be able to automatize it all ( at least with my level of knowledge. Some may be able without).
The Spark file needs not too much modifications to be adapted to BWs games. I could change it a bit when I have time.
Oh,,NICE, I will check the file on Spark has bite", and your formula here.
I think it could be possible for me to take some hint, mainly my scope is to check how many wins/loose happen in 100/200 spins automatically..to have an idea if some Loose/triggers could be exploit. or check how many loose in a row could happen in airball roulette.Or If it is better to bet after a win or a loose for example.
The tricky part should be to stop/reset on a win in the excel during the entire session..
Thanks Bigbroben!!
:thumbsup:
Cheers Gitano. Good luck, let us know how you get on
ok i'm looking at this from a different angle, as to how we can be more accurate. I'm going to need a bit of help with this in terms of setting this up in excel as i have no idea where i would start.
If we were to focus on the aspect of balance, i decided to start looking at sections on the table paired with the 37 spin cycle.
if we track the 1st 12 spins and what sections are landed. for example:
21
19
29
36
7
7
16
12
20
2
7
11
In this set of numbers the 24-36 (3rd) section only hits twice.
What if we were to bet on the numbers that hit in this section with their +pairs?
in this case: 29, 30, 36, 35 (i'm not including 0 in this method)
The next numbers that land are:
6 loss -4
34 loss -4
24 loss -4
35 - WIN: +32. +20 profit
Example 2:
Start tracking 12 spins
16
36
13
2
24
4
30
17
18
31
1
29 - Section 1 (1-12) landed the least with only 3 hits, start betting on landed numbers and pairs: 2,3,4,5,1
27 loss -5
25 loss -5
3 WIN +31. +21 profit
I noticed this pattern in my testing of the other method in excel so i thought it's worth digging further.
Hoping this makes sense. Will appreciate any thoughts/help on this.
If your looking for patterns, usually in the course
of an hour one can observe three of four recurring.
At the end of two hours one pattern will stand out
(or at least a bias on the wheel will start to emerge.)
Quote from: Sparks on Feb 04, 08:53 AM 2019
ok i'm looking at this from a different angle, as to how we can be more accurate. I'm going to need a bit of help with this in terms of setting this up in excel as i have no idea where i would start.
If we were to focus on the aspect of balance, i decided to start looking at sections on the table paired with the 37 spin cycle.
if we track the 1st 12 spins and what sections are landed. for example:
21
19
29
36
7
7
16
12
20
2
7
11
In this set of numbers the 24-36 (3rd) section only hits twice.
What if we were to bet on the numbers that hit in this section with their +pairs?
in this case: 29, 30, 36, 35 (i'm not including 0 in this method)
The next numbers that land are:
6 loss -4
34 loss -4
24 loss -4
35 - WIN: +32. +20 profit
Example 2:
Start tracking 12 spins
16
36
13
2
24
4
30
17
18
31
1
29 - Section 1 (1-12) landed the least with only 3 hits, start betting on landed numbers and pairs: 2,3,4,5,1
27 loss -5
25 loss -5
3 WIN +31. +21 profit
I noticed this pattern in my testing of the other method in excel so i thought it's worth digging further.
Hoping this makes sense. Will appreciate any thoughts/help on this.
Hi Sparks. I like your thinking with this. It will usually only be 1-3 pairs so should be doable with only flat betting. How many time to flat bet before moving on though? After -36? I don't mind testing this either, i have to do it all by hand though as im excel,RX illiterate
BW,
I think this is it.
Have a look, try it, and tell me if you see any bug, errors, or if you want other stats/ parameters.
Max steps: I entered ''6'' cuz you use 6 steps. Enter another nr to adjust the prog columns in A&B.
Hi Sparks,
I no more play/bet with systems that consider unfrequency of numbers..already lost money on cold numbers/cold sectors..I've learnt. More than this I could say that I will not play more on fixed sectors..is too risky to wait pairs in a fixed sectors. I could ensure you this, my BR has been already sucked up often..
The idea to bet pairs and each pairs of the next spin as VaddiSpark's strategy do, I like because offer a dynamics to the bets. I think more dynamics are the bets more probabilities in win we have.
Wow Bigbroben!You are a master really. :thumbsup:
If I don't want to bet the first pair OR the first and the second terms of the progression? what I have to modify ?
Quite sure it has better results..at least in my papers studies it has.
Start with 111122 from the 2th spin after the trigger..
I have a tweak (if I may)
==============================
Track the last nine outcomes. Is there
a Vaddi pairing? (If not continue to track).
When you have your pair bet the pair and the
newest two outcomes (those four) for up to nine spins.
Example: 12,3,0,14,31,20,7,34,15 (newest spin-value)
Bet 14,15 & 7,34 for up to nine spins.
Quote from: Gitano on Feb 04, 11:09 AM 2019
If I don't want to bet the first pair OR the first and the second terms of the progression? what I have to modify ?
Quite sure it has better results..at least in my papers studies it has.
Start with 111122 from the 2th spin after the trigger..
Not to bet the first pair, what do you mean? Not bet the trigger pair?
As for the prog, try this maybe?
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/04/source7160d.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OucCi)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 04, 11:11 AM 2019
I have a tweak (if I may)
==============================
Track the last nine outcomes. Is there
a Vaddi pairing? (If not continue to track).
When you have your pair bet the pair and the
newest two outcomes (those four) for up to nine spins.
Example: 12,3,0,14,31,20,7,34,15 (newest spin-value)
Bet 14,15 & 7,34 for up to nine spins.
v0.1 :) Bet the Vaddi Pair and the two
newest outcomes each spin for up to nine spins.
Example: 12,3,0,
14,31,20,7,34,
15 (newest spin-value)
Bet 14,15 & 7,34: 1.) 3(x)-4
bet 14,15 & 34,3: 2.) 12(x)-4
Bet 14,15 & 3,12....
Nice Proof. How to harness all these ideas and figure out which one is best? Means we all need to test test test
Thanks Buffalowizard. Hopefully this will give Sparks some new ideas.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 04, 11:45 AM 2019
Nice Proof. How to harness all these ideas and figure out which one is best? Means we all need to test test test
This lead to a little bit of confusion.Those Ideas are good but, for example I've notice
that is rare that the trigger pair shows in the very first spin ::) ..so it's 2 units save.. :DI could wait almost the second spins and start bet with 6 units on 6 numbers with x1 and start the progression.I've noticed that often it win..With the excel file that Bigbroben provided I will test it. But this is already a different way from VaddiSparks..
Other ideas like Proofreaders2000 should be tested too. I think we can all continue in this same thread.
Quote from: Gitano on Feb 04, 12:11 PM 2019
This lead to a little bit of confusion.Those Ideas are good but, for example I've notice that is rare that the trigger pair shows in t3he very first spin ::) ..so it's 2 units save.. :DI could wait almost the second spins and start bet with 6 units on 6 numbers with x1 and start the progression.I've noticed that often it win..With the excel file that Bigbroben provided I will test it. But this is already a different way from VaddiSparks..
Other ideas like Proofreaders2000 should be tested too. I think we can all continue in this same thread.
I also noticed how first spin win is rare event. Also there are lots of wins on 3rd spin, which is unfortunately the smallest pay out on the progression +8. We could skip first bet, though this will lead to higher stakes overall due to betting more numbers further down the progression. Instead of 1-6, you thinking 2-7 or even 3-8?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 04, 10:51 AM 2019
BW,
I think this is it.
Have a look, try it, and tell me if you see any bug, errors, or if you want other stats/ parameters.
Max steps: I entered ''6'' cuz you use 6 steps. Enter another nr to adjust the prog columns in A&B.
Thanks so much BigRoben,
Please excuse my ignorance but how do we input new numbers into the excel . Also, how do we somehow copy/paste the results or charts into here, so I can share results?
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 04, 12:29 PM 2019
I also noticed how first spin win is rare event. Also there are lots of wins on 3rd spin, which is unfortunately the smallest pay out on the progression +8. We could skip first bet, though this will lead to higher stakes overall due to betting more numbers further down the progression. Instead of 1-6, you thinking 2-7 or even 3-8?
In 1000 runs of 200 spins, the percentage y of wins in x spins was so ( Excel random, though):
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/04/source8a51a.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Ou8Os)
Just like normal repeaters, you can save a few units by avoiding playing spins 1 and 2, but then you're exposed to flying by quick, profitable hits.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 04, 12:49 PM 2019
Thanks so much BigRoben,
Please excuse my ignorance but how do we input new numbers into the excel . Also, how do we somehow copy/paste the results or charts into here, so I can share results?
BW
Put them in column E. Delete the actual nrs first or just copy/paste the new ones on top if the amount of nrs is the same.
To share results, I have a Snagit software, but I don't know what you have...
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 04, 12:49 PM 2019
Thanks so much BigRoben,
Please excuse my ignorance but how do we input new numbers into the excel . Also, how do we somehow copy/paste the results or charts into here, so I can share results?
BW
@Buffalo,
right click on column E and clear content.
@Bigbroben, do you think the curve remain the same betting starting on spin 2-7 , escaping 1th bet , starting with four numbers?
Could you please modify the excel deleting the first pair ?I am not been able
Quote from: Gitano on Feb 04, 01:16 PM 2019
@Bigbroben, do you think the curve remain the same betting starting on spin 2-7 , escaping 1th bet , starting with four numbers?
Could you please modify the excel deleting the first pair ?I am not been able
Do you not playing the trigger pair?
Yes I think the curve stays the same shape.
Cheers guys I will share spme test totals later on. How does it look in your early viewings ?
Good good good..
Playing from first pairs I've noticed better total Bankrolls with (~70)/100 spins than 200 spins. :smile:
Quote from: Gitano on Feb 04, 01:34 PM 2019
Good good good..
Playing from first pairs I've noticed better total Bankrolls with (~70)/100 spins than 200 spins. :smile:
Ok so original idea but in shorter spells . sounds good
Quote from: Sparks on Feb 04, 08:53 AM 2019
ok i'm looking at this from a different angle, as to how we can be more accurate. I'm going to need a bit of help with this in terms of setting this up in excel as i have no idea where i would start.
If we were to focus on the aspect of balance, i decided to start looking at sections on the table paired with the 37 spin cycle.
if we track the 1st 12 spins and what sections are landed. for example:
21
19
29
36
7
7
16
12
20
2
7
11
In this set of numbers the 24-36 (3rd) section only hits twice.
What if we were to bet on the numbers that hit in this section with their +pairs?
in this case: 29, 30, 36, 35 (i'm not including 0 in this method)
The next numbers that land are:
6 loss -4
34 loss -4
24 loss -4
35 - WIN: +32. +20 profit
Example 2:
Start tracking 12 spins
16
36
13
2
24
4
30
17
18
31
1
29 - Section 1 (1-12) landed the least with only 3 hits, start betting on landed numbers and pairs: 2,3,4,5,1
27 loss -5
25 loss -5
3 WIN +31. +21 profit
I noticed this pattern in my testing of the other method in excel so i thought it's worth digging further.
Hoping this makes sense. Will appreciate any thoughts/help on this.
Wiesbaden Table 2. 03.02.19
Just wanted to do a quick test of this to see if its got legs. Lovely first session. Beginners luck?! Any questions just ask. For 4 numbers I bet 9 times and for 6 number bets I go 6 times. Until a 36 unit loss on either. I like it!
18
14
2
36
29
22
26
20
28
5
3
33 bet 1,2,3,4,5,6 six times
20
25
22
1 win +12
13
25
7
0
9
- - -
- - -
15
4
27
23
24
3
2
4 bet 25,26,27,28 nine times
36
35
0
25. Win +32
30
25
17
35
27
20
32
12
14
15
6
- - -
8. Bet 6,7,8,9,12,13 six times
8. Win +66
21
24
13
30
10
36
12
35
29
11
33
12. Bet 14,15,21,22,24,25
4
22 win +90
20
17
3
36
7
23
- - -
13
8
33
7
18
36. Bet 33,34,36,0
20
36. Win +122
Hi guys,
Here some results with real spins from airball spintec with 200 spins sessions (90 seconds between each) and the fantastic Bigbroben's excel file
with max 5 STEPS with 11111 using first pair too. FLAT BET!!!
41 sessions: +813 units
I will test with smaller sessions (100 spins) from same roulette airball.
I am always more and more convinced that need to start bet after a trigger and a loss!!! ^-^
Quote from: Gitano on Feb 04, 08:34 PM 2019
Hi guys,
Here some results with real spins from airball spintec with 200 spins sessions (90 seconds between each) and the fantastic Bigbroben's excel file
with max 5 STEPS with 11111 using first pair too. FLAT BET!!!
41 sessions: +813 units
I will test with smaller sessions (100 spins) from same roulette airball.
I am always more and more convinced that need to start bet after a trigger and a loss!!! ^-^
this is great thanks Gitano.
Those drawdowns are horrific unfortunately. quite a few sessions losing over 200.
There must be a way to avoid those big losses somehow...
Gitano, thank you for sharing your results. Will do some summaries for them in a min.
OK, here's the summary, if I'm correct in what's in your excel file:
8200 total spins
954 total attempts
593 wins (the attempts where a 'win' occurred within 5 steps)
361 losses (the attempts where no hit occurred within 5 steps)
62.16% = your strike rate this session
59.57% = expected strike rate using probability for five total bets on 2/4/6/8/10 numbers at each step.
So the bet selection performed almost +3% better than expected. Which with 8200 spins can be considered a good start.
Obviously you'd want to see if that 3% advantage continued on for 20k, 40k, and even 100k worth of spins. And even then it would still be considered a good start haha, which sucks of course, but that's the deal.
Time consuming for sure, but that's how hard it is to validate whether a bet selection is 'real' (performs above expected) or just lucky.
Good job, keep it up! And Sparks, yes, we should all continue to tweak the BS and progression to see if we can beat that short term result, and if so, test it similarly.
Using BigRobens Excel tracker. Here are sets of 200 spin sessions.
Losses 4
Wins 16
Min -86
Max 185
End 165
Losses 6
Wins 12
Min -215
Max 112
End -112
Losses 5
Wins 13
Min -161
Max 73
End 48
Losses 2
Wins 19
Min -40
Max 266
End 266
Losses 2
Wins 18
Min -37
Max 248
End 246
Losses 3
Wins 17
Min 0
Max 267
End 159
Losses 5
Wins 17
Min -70
Max 148
End 93
Losses 4
Wins 17
Min -20
Max 194
End 166
Losses 5
Wins 13
Min -112
Max 32
End -74
Losses 3
Wins 16
Min -76
Max 149
End 127
Losses 2
Wins 19
Min -17
Max 394
End 320
Losses 2
Wins 20
Min -6
Max 360
End 353
Losses 6
Wins 15
Min -117
Max 44
End -11
Losses 3
Wins 18
Min -20
Max 217
End 214
Losses 6
Wins 13
Min -160
Max 100
End -108
Losses 6
Wins 15
Min -38
Max 204
End -4
Losses 6
Wins 13
Min -178
Max 101
End -122
Losses 5
Wins 13
Min -209
Max 10
End 10
Losses 6
Wins 14
Min -291
Max 0
End -39
Losses 5
Wins 17
Min -6
Max 205
End 63
Losses 2
Wins 15
Min -54
Max 246
End 184
Losses 3
Wins 19
Min -110
Max 248
End 248
Losses 8
Wins 12
Min -306
Max 84
End -252
Losses 6
Wins 14
Min -58
Max 84
End -28
Losses 6
Wins 14
Min -260
Max 0
End -88
Losses 6
Wins 15
Min -174
Max 22
End -24
Losses 3
Wins 18
Min -18
Max 192
End 192
Losses 6
Wins 14
Min -175
Max 28
End -103
Losses 10
Wins 9
Min -486
Max 76
End -466
Losses 8
Wins 10
Min -391
Max 0
End -289
Losses 6
Wins 11
Min -297
Max 0
End -183
Losses 9
Wins 9
Min -401
Max 0
End -397
Losses 2
Wins 17
Min -40
Max 260
End 258
Losses 7
Wins 14
Min -95
Max 95
End -95
Losses 8
Wins 9
Min -343
Max 12
End -331
Losses 1
Wins 18
Min -61
Max 373
End 373
Losses 4
Wins 17
Min -130
Max 184
End 181
Losses 5
Wins 17
Min -20
Max 204
End 81
Does the file I made corresponds to how you play? Anything to correct?
What is your nr source?
Yes seems good mate. I used random.org numbers
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 05, 06:13 PM 2019
Does the file I made corresponds to how you play? Anything to correct?
What is your nr source?
Big Ben, can you extend it to a thousand numbers or more, I have some larger spin sets I’d like to run through it.
Works perfectly btw, as all your sheets do. :thumbsup:
Makao,
I have 3x1 million spins if you wanna test a very big spins sequence. Anyway, can I know that which system do you tested in your excel sheet?
Thanks
Quote from: Mako on Feb 05, 07:23 PM 2019
Big Ben, can you extend it to a thousand numbers or more, I have some larger spin sets I’d like to run through it.
Works perfectly btw, as all your sheets do. :thumbsup:
Mako,
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/05/sourcedd521.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OIXyt)
select some of the last rows including the last one. See the little black square on the lower left? Click and drag down until you have enough lines for the use you want. Select more than one so you will have the spin increase. All formulas in all the columns will be copied along the drag.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 05, 08:43 PM 2019
Mako,
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/05/sourcedd521.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/OIXyt)
select some of the last rows including the last one. See the little black square on the lower left? Click and drag down until you have enough lines for the use you want. Select more than one so you will have the spin increase. All formulas in all the columns will be copied along the drag.
I actually did that yesterday, usually works, and it did copy the formulas but it didn’t function. I thought there was more to it that I wasn’t aware of.
Does it only work from the left drag square maybe? I dragged from the right side square on my failed attempt.
There are hidden columns on the far right, up to Column EC. Maybe you did not select far enough. You can select from A to EC or just use the left row ID.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 05, 10:09 PM 2019
There are hidden columns on the far right, up to Column EC. Maybe you did not select far enough. You can select from A to EC or just use the left row ID.
Perfect, that was it. :thumbsup: