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Title: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 05, 04:01 AM 2019
First system post, but one I use with great success. I came upon this on a site a fair while ago, so it is not mine,
but I have spent a bit of time on matching it with a good progression, though I prefer flat bets.

In the time I have been using this I have not come across a combination that has been a loss, and usally able to
pick up a win within three lines at the most, and I have used it on RNG, Live and B&M. It is able to cut back in on the longest negative runs.
The progression keeps it safe and you only run five times on a line before you reset to the next line, so works well on low limit tables.

You can see by the numbers top and bottom the progression I use, it's done like this because the card is laminated and is
what I take into the casino with me.

If I don't get a coup on a line I reset the progression to restart on the next, but you must follow the card exactly and
don't get tempted by what you think is a run, it's usally your undoing.


Line 1 I use 1,1,2,3,5  if a miss I use 1,2,3,5,8  if a miss I use 2,3,5,8,13  if a miss I use 3,5,8,13,21 etc.

When I get a hit I stay at that level untill I recoup or better and then drop back to 1st progression.
Depending, sometimes will increase quickly, at others will drag a win out, but have not lost a session yet.
Though in saying that I probably don't play as long a session as some do, I make my target and run.
So I hope you have fun and success as I have


If you have a better progression please post.

Al


Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: atlantis on Mar 05, 04:50 AM 2019
What exactly is a "hit" that you are playing for?

A.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 05, 06:45 AM 2019
Welcome and thanks for sharing your first system!  :thumbsup:

Unless I missed it - do you play for the color or against it?

And what are the numbers on top of the card, the ones at the bottom I understand.

Thanks and regards,
M
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 05, 08:02 AM 2019
And you handle 0 like a normal loss?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 05, 10:06 AM 2019
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 05, 04:50 AM 2019
What exactly is a "hit" that you are playing for?

A.
Hi atlantis, a hit is just a win, as soon as you get a win you move to the next line
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 05, 10:11 AM 2019
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 05, 06:45 AM 2019
Welcome and thanks for sharing your first system!  :thumbsup:

Unless I missed it - do you play for the color or against it?

And what are the numbers on top of the card, the ones at the bottom I understand.

Thanks and regards,
M
Hi Maui13, you follow the colours, so yes play for the colour and a zero is just treated as a miss and carry on with the next colour in the line, you'll be surprised how often the line intercepts.

The numbers at the top are just another progression I use depending on my funds.
Cheers
Al
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 05, 03:00 PM 2019
Hello Downtown and thanks for sharing your system. So you just start by betting RRBRB, then on to the next line with your progression>?
Cheers.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Kan@am@ on Mar 05, 04:06 PM 2019
Hi Downtown.

What is the largest amount from your progression you ever had to bet ?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 05, 06:54 PM 2019
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Mar 05, 03:00 PM 2019
Hello Downtown and thanks for sharing your system. So you just start by betting RRBRB, then on to the next line with your progression>?
Cheers.
Hi ewarwoowar,
No, not quite. as soon as you have a win on a line you MUST then drop down to the next line, so you might have RR then win on the B, so then drop down to then start on the B. The matrix will pick up on small runs by doing so, if you continue following the line after a win you will normally lose out as the Matrix is designed to intercept or follow.
Hope you enjoy this little system.


Cheers
Al
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 05, 07:36 PM 2019
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Mar 05, 04:06 PM 2019
Hi Downtown.

What is the largest amount from your progression you ever had to bet ?

Hi Kan@am@

Wow mate, how long is a piece of string ( twice half it's length ). I tend to be a cautious player and don't allow my progressions to get to high. Usually on this system I won't go past three levels without waiting for a change on the table or dealer, then depending on the loss I will drop back a level in the progression and restart or just restart at the level I left off, doesn't take long to get back any losses. If you are doing $10 bets each clean run of the Matrix can earn $100.

I used to use a modified Martingale called Cascade which wasn't too bad as it had six bets on seven levels and combined with the Matrix was quite a weapon but the max individual amount bet was $32 or $320 using $10 bets.

With the progression at the bottom of the chart I sometimes drop the first bet and go 1,2,3, etc which does tend to bring better
earnings at times. and my max bet would be $21 before I restart. Regardless all my progressions have a stop loss.


Cheers

Al
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 05, 07:51 PM 2019
Hi Downtown i've seen you on the generals gold standard MPR that no one beats.
Your matrix idea, nice.
It gave me an idea to use the perfect matrix thats in front of us; not yours.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Kan@am@ on Mar 05, 08:10 PM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 05, 07:36 PM 2019
Hi Kan@am@

Wow mate, how long is a piece of string ( twice half it's length ). I tend to be a cautious player and don't allow my progressions to get to high. Usually on this system I won't go past three levels without waiting for a change on the table or dealer, then depending on the loss I will drop back a level in the progression and restart or just restart at the level I left off, doesn't take long to get back any losses. If you are doing $10 bets each clean run of the Matrix can earn $100.

I used to use a modified Martingale called Cascade which wasn't too bad as it had six bets on seven levels and combined with the Matrix was quite a weapon but the max individual amount bet was $32 or $320 using $10 bets.

With the progression at the bottom of the chart I sometimes drop the first bet and go 1,2,3, etc which does tend to bring better
earnings at times. and my max bet would be $21 before I restart. Regardless all my progressions have a stop loss.


Cheers

Al

thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 05:12 AM 2019
2 runs of 10, now
Thanks Down.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 06, 05:56 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 05, 07:51 PM 2019
Hi Downtown i've seen you on the generals gold standard MPR that no one beats.
Your matrix idea, nice.
It gave me an idea to use the perfect matrix thats in front of us; not yours.


  Explain ?  and  "i've seen you on the generals gold standard MPR that no one beats"
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 06, 06:08 AM 2019
DT - so if I bet RED first bet, of line 1 and I win, I move to line 2, 1st bet to then bet BLACK?

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 06, 06:44 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 06, 05:12 AM 2019
2 runs of 10, now
Thanks Down.
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Good job Saint Steve  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: RiseAgainst on Mar 06, 07:00 AM 2019
Dont know if i play this 100% according to your rules. But i like this system so far.

The way i play this is with your progression steps, 1 move up the prog ladder if i miss and 1 down the ladder if i hit. so long till i get a new Bankroll high.
After every BR high i jump to the next line and so on.. till line 10 is cleared.

In my test i cleared all 10 lines in 36 spins.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 07:12 AM 2019
Maui13
I don't use Downtowns matrix.
I use the one thats infront of you when you play.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 06, 07:18 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 06, 07:12 AM 2019
Maui13
I don't use Downtowns matrix.
I use the one thats infront of you when you play.


And that's exactly where I lost you. Sorry don't know if it's because my English is so crappy.

The only Matrix I know in front of me is like Neo in the Matrix  :lol:

Just kidding.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 06, 07:23 AM 2019
You mean like the RED/BLACK on the mat ?(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/03/06/source84d93.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/UwSM1)

Horizontal or Vertical ?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 07:27 AM 2019
Like you are showing.
Just follow r,b,r,b but what Prog is the ?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nichedelico on Mar 06, 08:14 AM 2019
D'Alambert?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 09:27 AM 2019
Maui13

I follow the numerical order. But it will be like all other methods, win till it loses
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 06, 09:33 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 06, 09:27 AM 2019
Maui13

I follow the numerical order. But it will be like all other methods, win till it loses

I also started 1, 2 , etc. 

I'll be honest, in that I thought about it and what explanation is there that it wins other than luck for now?
I'm a HUGE dreamer...  but just cannot get my head around it.

Downtown, how long have you actually been playing your system and are your results consistent.

I'm a RC hobby enthusiast, all I want is some money every month or 2 for some new lipos, RX's etc. 
Not asking for much, but I have yet to find 1 system on this forum that can deliver that.

Anyway, sorry, don't want to be a negative Nancy on your topic.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 09:39 AM 2019
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another 10 little games
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 09:43 AM 2019
win the unit of what value you want to win with and stop; reset and start at #1 again.
It will be okay but at the B+M who knows?
Should be right up there with the Mr J bet less numbers; cough, why did he always put cough
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 01:00 PM 2019
Need Mako with his set of killer spins
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 02:16 PM 2019
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 06:55 PM 2019
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#10 last number
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 07:10 PM 2019
General if you try this whilst looking for the wobbly wheel, remember to wear 1 red sock and 1 black sock with a green ring at the top for the 2 greens  :xd:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 06, 07:48 PM 2019
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+400 General
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 06, 08:27 PM 2019
Hi Notto, are we having fun yet, tried to reply to your posts earlier but wouldn't let me post off the quotes.

Hi Maui13, been playing with this little system for a couple of years now and for me has proved to fairly consistent, but as I said I use a stop/loss and a reset after three lines as I don't like to get into large progressions. The system will recoup quickly then, I use the Labby and go back if with a win or end of a line so it keeps the bet amounts low, in saying that, there are probably better progressions, which I thought someone would come up with. In the early days I started out using a layered martingale with six bets at seven levels but bets got high quickly which is why I started using three lines as a stop/loss and continue to do so now. Remember follow the chart, on a win drop to the next line as it works going down as well as across to help with the runs.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Firefox on Mar 06, 11:35 PM 2019
It's a fun method of bet selection, but if the chart were all red or all black or alternating red/black or any other combination including the one you have there, the chance of it winning or losing against the wheel over 50 spins would be the same  ;)
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 07, 12:04 AM 2019
Hi Firefox,
You are correct, but it works.  ^-^
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Firefox on Mar 07, 12:38 AM 2019
I've been thinking about this and can see an advantage .... but not a mathematical one, it's a psychological one!

It enables you to bet fairly randomly on both red and black but have the pressure of bet selection taken off you.

This could be an advantage if you're playing a progression fairly deep. There's  some pressure to choose the right target and it's possible to beat yourself up if you get it wrong.

But following the chart, that pressure is taken off you. You can always blame the matrix if it was the wrong choice

Therefore the system is more fun and relaxing to play, and for that reason better than making a personal decision each time  :smile:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 07, 01:06 AM 2019
Hi Firefox, I'm in my sixty's and not completely computer savvy, so I can't test it with thousands of spins, I have trouble posting sometimes, but I earn my living at B&M and while this is not my breadwinner, I find it's a nice mechanical system where I can sit and relax for a while and make a few dollars and for me it works well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 07, 02:21 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 07, 01:06 AM 2019
Hi Firefox, I'm in my sixty's and not completely computer savvy, so I can't test it with thousands of spins, I have trouble posting sometimes, but I earn my living at B&M and while this is not my breadwinner, I find it's a nice mechanical system where I can sit and relax for a while and make a few dollars and for me it works well.  :thumbsup:

Downtown,

You have my attention, FULL ON.... this post has created more questions than answers, but that's a good thing if you can answer my questions.
You can also PM me if you don't want to share openly.

"earn my living at B&M and while this is not my breadwinner, I find it's a nice mechanical system where I can sit and relax for a while and make a few dollars and for me it works well."

Make your living at B&M casino? - this is wonderful if you manage to get it right! Good job  :thumbsup:

I would love to know what your breadwinner system/s are? As a youngster - I am all ears.

In the meantime, I'm going to continue to work on your color matrix and see if I can master it.


Thanks
Maui

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Firefox on Mar 07, 02:22 AM 2019
I don't doubt it works well if your luck is in.  You've got a seven step progression so it's going to take a nasty run to sink you. Although it's insurance and cut loss after the third bet, that's practical.

The best idea is taking the pressure off making decisions. I don't play systems myself but I do spend a long time hanging around looking at wheels. In that respect I make the odd minimum bet on ECs occasionally, so as not to draw attention. I adopt similar tactics; to  take any pressure off, I always bet the same colour that day. Usually black, but  sometimes red for variety.

I wouldn't bother doing any testing on this personally, just enjoy as is  :smile:

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 07, 03:37 AM 2019
Ha ha great minds Firefox, I sometimes do a colour day as well for a change also on black. I use a two up two down mm.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 07, 04:30 AM 2019
Maui13 don't get deceived mate, the biggest lesson I've learnt is when to go home. I know most of the dealers in my local Casino and it's amazing how many actually have a little bias, but it cost me a lot of money to learn that,  I go with a large bankroll and bet as small as I can with a low stop/loss, but variance will always catch you out.

I have a little system you can try that's been a good steady earner for me I call a 3x3. I play the Dozs, but I play a separate game within the 3x Dozs. Play the three streets within each Doz, when a street is hit in a particular Doz take the bet off that street so you are running only three streets in each one at all times and treat each separately.
This system I do as a flatbet, but if I find I start to fall behind a bit I'll use a one up progression.
Now when I play this I look for the dealer whos playing the whole table, some dealers spin out consistent sections so you'll get a lot of repeats in which case I change my system, so I guess it also comes down to intuition. Try it out on Dublin Live, take a peice of paper and mark down each street as it comes up for different dealers and you'll soon see what I mean about dealer bias. You could just about bet on it lol.
3x3 is a simple system and I earn good money off it, give it a try and good luck.
Cheers
Al

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 07, 06:19 AM 2019
Dtown yes fun over R-sim
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#3 is last spin.
A BBB quote; job done
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 07, 06:28 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 07, 04:30 AM 2019
Maui13 don't get deceived mate, the biggest lesson I've learnt is when to go home. I know most of the dealers in my local Casino and it's amazing how many actually have a little bias, but it cost me a lot of money to learn that,  I go with a large bankroll and bet as small as I can with a low stop/loss, but variance will always catch you out.

I have a little system you can try that's been a good steady earner for me I call a 3x3. I play the Dozs, but I play a separate game within the 3x Dozs. Play the three streets within each Doz, when a street is hit in a particular Doz take the bet off that street so you are running only three streets in each one at all times and treat each separately.
This system I do as a flatbet, but if I find I start to fall behind a bit I'll use a one up progression.
Now when I play this I look for the dealer whos playing the whole table, some dealers spin out consistent sections so you'll get a lot of repeats in which case I change my system, so I guess it also comes down to intuition. Try it out on Dublin Live, take a peice of paper and mark down each street as it comes up for different dealers and you'll soon see what I mean about dealer bias. You could just about bet on it lol.
3x3 is a simple system and I earn good money off it, give it a try and good luck.
Cheers
Al

Thank you very much for taking time to answer and sharing your other system! Much appreciated  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 07, 07:31 AM 2019
Hi Notto, I must have missed something mate, I followed your numbers on the card but I couldn't see the reason for the big drawdown, looks like you had a win every line.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Firefox on Mar 07, 07:50 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 07, 07:31 AM 2019
Hi Notto, I must have missed something mate, I followed your numbers on the card but I couldn't see the reason for the big drawdown, looks like you had a win every line.

Drawdown was 2000 units too.

Whereas the progressions used by Downtown were quite mild, only a couple of hundred units total. Are the figures on the bankroll axis correct?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Firefox on Mar 07, 09:01 AM 2019
Maybe he's betting 100 each time not 5 or 10 since he started with such a healthy bankroll  :twisted:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Winner on Mar 07, 10:27 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 05, 04:01 AM 2019
First system post, but one I use with great success. I came upon this on a site a fair while ago, so it is not mine,
but I have spent a bit of time on matching it with a good progression, though I prefer flat bets.

In the time I have been using this I have not come across a combination that has been a loss, and usally able to
pick up a win within three lines at the most, and I have used it on RNG, Live and B&M. It is able to cut back in on the longest negative runs.
The progression keeps it safe and you only run five times on a line before you reset to the next line, so works well on low limit tables.

You can see by the numbers top and bottom the progression I use, it's done like this because the card is laminated and is
what I take into the casino with me.

If I don't get a coup on a line I reset the progression to restart on the next, but you must follow the card exactly and
don't get tempted by what you think is a run, it's usally your undoing.


Line 1 I use 1,1,2,3,5  if a miss I use 1,2,3,5,8  if a miss I use 2,3,5,8,13  if a miss I use 3,5,8,13,21 etc.

When I get a hit I stay at that level untill I recoup or better and then drop back to 1st progression.
Depending, sometimes will increase quickly, at others will drag a win out, but have not lost a session yet.
Though in saying that I probably don't play as long a session as some do, I make my target and run.
So I hope you have fun and success as I have


If you have a better progression please post.

Al
The progression you posted is just extended fibo it does not  get out of the rabbit hole.
Even money has to be played flat with a modified Marty no way around that .
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 07, 11:59 AM 2019
100 each time?
start with 100.
use mat in numerical order, so #1 bet red, if lose #2 bet black, with fibo, so 1,1,
If hit start at #1
If bet goes on and say at 8unit and win drop back to 5unit, if win should be able to re-set to unit of 1; just watch bankroll
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 07, 01:38 PM 2019
Dtown
I used 50 unit on these. And Fibo
Reset when new high.
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Now let's see how the non-hit went. remember 15 non-hit in spins 11-40.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 07, 01:42 PM 2019
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1-10 2 repeat
spin 40; 21 non-hit so 13 non-hit in those 30 spins making -2

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 07, 01:47 PM 2019
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Watch the game if you want sure the Saint savior Steve will look
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 07, 04:26 PM 2019
Dtown
I started of doing vaddi, of to a good start. But by 63rd spin down in a big hole.
Now the good bit. Started using unit of 10 made progress, upped to 20 unit, then up to 50 unit and then using 100 unit on the matrix where we play.
Always reset to #1 when a new high reached so 1st bet red.
Anyway back to level.
And no red or black socks General
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 07, 05:49 PM 2019
Had some dinner and came back. Looks good, eh Buff.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 07, 10:25 PM 2019
Notto, I gotta admire your persistence, that was a quick drop with the Vaddi. Least that progression has been tested, that was a good recoup.  Am I reading right that when you're up you return to level #1, you don't always go through to level 10,  The only time I go back to level #1 is if I've lost 3xlines and I do a reset.  I sometimes look at line #10 and think this ain't gunna work BBRBB but it always surprises me, many times I've thought about changing it to BRRBB.
What I must do is try the Matrix going down instead of across, trouble with going down is you get a bigger draw before you can reset, maybe try a different progression with it, just thinking.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 08, 04:19 AM 2019
Good day DTown.
I have not used your matrix.
I just see the mat 3*12 and thought just follow the numerical order. 1st bet red #1, if lose #2, black.
Yes soon as new high; straight back to #1, red.
Now it's to uniformed the numerical way, too much r,b,r,b untill 10,11; but then it's r,b,r,b untill 18,19; r,r
Would it be better to go down and up the columns?

I'll print of your matrix and try later, on MPR. It plays better than R-sim, just shame you can't see all the bets on a graph.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 08, 05:25 AM 2019
Notto I was on R-Sim earlier and had a great run with one small drop. $10 @ 26 bets got me $320. not savvy enough to copy paste of the site, tried  :question:. But just got off MPR and no real drawdown, I knocked off the first $10 bet and just went 10-20-30 etc, largest drawdown was $80 over 4 games (luck)
Obviously from your system to the matrix there are benefits in a mechanical type system, I know the matrix was built from the most common combo's over thousands of spins and it still surprises me how it works.

If I've had a poor result on another system this will most times recoup, but if I use it as a main game, well you know what the gods say.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Mako on Mar 08, 01:31 PM 2019
Once a day or so I check in on "Saint Steve" and laugh, because I can't believe that this is working as well as it is. 

Like Firefox said, if the matrix was all red or all black it would produce the same results...but notto and downtown are proving otherwise.

It's hilarious and I have no idea why this would work other than forcing the player to stay truly random in their bet selection (we are not as "random" as we like to think, the matrix basically keeps you as random as possible without bias or influence affecting you), but regardless, keep it up boys.

Thanks to Downtown for posting it, my testing queue is busy right now but I'll add this to the list for fun.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 08, 04:04 PM 2019
Downtown, I've just played a quick session with live spins and my results went like this:-

LLW
LW
LLLLL
LW
LW
W
LW
Is this what you've come to expect? The loss of 12 units on the third line seems hard to overcome. I raised the progression after this. Would you keep it at this next level, or raise again to recoup?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 08, 07:04 PM 2019
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This is the matrix that greets you. You have 4 options to use the red and black.
1st I used the numerical order, but it’s to r-b-r-b; until #’s 10, 11:
Now I go down column 1 or A, because spin 5 you have the option to bet either red or the black. If it’s gone r-b-r-b, that could be follow the mat numerical, 1-2-3-4 or 1-4-7-10. So 1st bet is red, but this might greet you.
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Another option is to go down column 2 or B, 1st bet is black, if used on the above would have won the 100 unit straight off. Then there’s column 3 or C.
But the mat is telling you your bet

This is what the General would tell you; wear a red and black sock with a green top.

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 09, 06:37 AM 2019
Plop i see your graph, is getting that nice even climb now, looks good :thumbsup:
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: The General on Mar 09, 09:54 PM 2019
It would appear that the ability to cheat on roulette simulator has been fixed?

The reason I mention it is that I've noticed that the top scores are quite a bit lower than they once were and Turbo's name is no where near the top. Oddly enough though, Steve appears to be beating most people, including Turbo.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 10, 03:38 AM 2019
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Mar 08, 04:04 PM 2019
Downtown, I've just played a quick session with live spins and my results went like this:-

LLW
LW
LLLLL
LW
LW
W
LW
Is this what you've come to expect? The loss of 12 units on the third line seems hard to overcome. I raised the progression after this. Would you keep it at this next level, or raise again to recoup?

Cheers.


Sorry about the delay in replying ewar, I just got back from the weekend. One thing the system does is limit your loss, I would have thought 12 units easy to recoup, especially looking at your next few lines. I keep my progression fairly low in case you lose more than one line and if I do, I restart. That's one of the reasons why I like this, stops you chasing any big loss and usually will recoup reasonably quickly. If I take a loss on a line then the next line I start at 2,3,5,8,13 and so on, that's with live table. If on line then I'll just drop back the two places in the progression, what's the difference, my bets are usually smaller on line. 

Hope that helps mate.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 10, 01:38 PM 2019
Thanks for your reply mate, much appreciated.

Cheers
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 10, 01:48 PM 2019
Just another quickie Downtown, I'm thinking initially about just getting a few units from each matrix, before starting again.
Based on early tests, I think that +5 per matrix looks achievable.
What are your thoughts on this?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 10, 03:08 PM 2019
DTown
Just like to say thanks for your idea. Like Mako says it's amazing
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 10, 10:14 PM 2019
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Mar 10, 01:48 PM 2019
Just another quickie Downtown, I'm thinking initially about just getting a few units from each matrix, before starting again.
Based on early tests, I think that +5 per matrix looks achievable.
What are your thoughts on this?

Cheers.

Ewar, that should be fairly easily done, so if you cut the matrix short for an early win then cut out the first number on the progression and just go 1, 2, 3 etc. I just finished on live bet and @ $5 bets I did 3 complete runs of the Matrix and came out with $80, would have been more if I cut the progression short, but as sure as you do that you get a poor run on a line which sets you back more. I've tried playing this just using the 1st line alone and haven't done too bad.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 10, 10:19 PM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 10, 03:08 PM 2019
DTown
Just like to say thanks for your idea. Like Mako says it's amazing
Thank you Notto and Mako for the kind words  :)
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Wally Gator on Mar 10, 10:48 PM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 08, 07:04 PM 2019This is what the General would tell you; wear a red and black sock with a green top.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA .... Good one, Notto!!!!  I don't care who you are, that right there is funny...
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 11, 10:48 AM 2019
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:question:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Irish88 on Mar 11, 10:50 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 11, 10:48 AM 2019
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Are you just following the mat colors here Notto?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 11, 10:53 AM 2019
Nice Martingale graph.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 11, 11:34 AM 2019
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 11, 10:53 AM 2019
Nice Martingale graph.
Yes, i listened to the General after 100 spins i swapped socks around.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 11, 01:52 PM 2019
Well that was nice of R-sim to let me win on spin 500; so i could stop.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 11, 01:58 PM 2019
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 09:30 AM 2019
 Mauri
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Nice
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 10:41 AM 2019
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Made the 1000 with 19 spins to go, thought it might take to 230 spins.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 10:52 AM 2019
Mauri
If you read your message. You see the way. And it's not like fire fox says; oh look there's red in a row bet black
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 12:59 PM 2019
I 88
another 100 units.
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Last few numbers, #1 is last
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Still not found those 100 reds in a row, but they would make a fortune Mauri
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 01:13 PM 2019
Four in a beds on, back soon.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 02:13 PM 2019
Irish 88
If you get; are these reds a problem?
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 02:16 PM 2019
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Still getting a win; but is there another 88 reds coming  :lol:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 02:25 PM 2019
Nice win on spin 500 so that'll do.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 04:38 PM 2019
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Fox said today some see 4 reds bet black, well here win twice
Is there 92 more blacks coming Saint Steve
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Winner on Mar 13, 04:45 PM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 13, 04:38 PM 2019
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Fox said today some see 4 reds bet black, well here win twice
Is there 92 more blacks coming Saint Steve
Notto you crack me up saint Steve 😂
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 04:59 PM 2019
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Spin 68 +370
Nearly busted changed the socks round General
Spin 193; - 360
Spin 263 back to starting bank roll
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 06:25 PM 2019
I can't press the mouse anymore, the arthritis in my hands is so painful, but the 100 reds or blacks have not appeared.
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But there's a better way to pick the even chance.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 13, 06:53 PM 2019
You can't stop a gambler. Last go and on the Generals gold standard MPR.
This is using the better way Irish 88 and if you got the E-mail Mauri.
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Goodnight from Notto :yawn:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 14, 07:06 AM 2019
Nice little 100 units, Mauri, as the 10 already there get new number #14 you no the idea, using 25 unit  :thumbsup:
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 14, 07:21 AM 2019
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Slowly does it
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 14, 07:44 AM 2019
AWESOME job!!!!  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 14, 08:21 AM 2019
I had to stop i'm just so tired; going on new meds soon so hope be better than last lot.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 14, 12:08 PM 2019
Notto, you tried apple cider vinegar for the arthritis?
Seriously, a couple of dessert spoons a day. Try it. Organic is better.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Bigbroben on Mar 14, 12:21 PM 2019
No meat and as raw food as possible.  Did work for my aunt.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 15, 07:16 PM 2019
Blueman looking into Keto.
Thanks BBB and Ewar.

DTown have you used other prog's on the matrix?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 15, 11:01 PM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 15, 07:16 PM 2019
Blueman looking into Keto.
Thanks BBB and Ewar.

DTown have you used other prog's on the matrix?

Yeah Notto, tested quite a few but maybe not long enough. Only reason I use the Fabs is it keeps drawdown pretty low and when you treat each line as an individual game it's pretty easy to recoup.
Main reason for the thread was to find a better suited prog, I thought would maybe have a better response in that regard.  :embarrassed:

Keto is the way to go, sorted out my liver/BP and pulled me back from type 2  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 16, 06:53 AM 2019
Thanks to all for info. :thumbsup:

Mauri, i'll give you the break down later. Yep fibo
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Mauri columns A+B
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: blueman on Mar 16, 05:55 PM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 15, 11:01 PM 2019
Yeah Notto, tested quite a few but maybe not long enough. Only reason I use the Fabs is it keeps drawdown pretty low and when you treat each line as an individual game it's pretty easy to recoup.
Main reason for the thread was to find a better suited prog, I thought would maybe have a better response in that regard.  :embarrassed:

Keto is the way to go, sorted out my liver/BP and pulled me back from type 2  :thumbsup:

Keto baby!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 17, 01:21 AM 2019
Tried a new progression using a ladder system which combined with the Matrix seems to have made it a whole different game, no big drawdowns and a steady increase. Been unable to test over hundreds of spins but what I have tested comes out very good.

The way of it;
Using the Matrix each line is an individual game, so a win on a line then drops you down to the next line so that stops you going to far on a progression and makes a recoup on the next line, a new game easier, so a max of 5 bets for a line or less on a win.

Now the progression, which I cleaned from the Monte Carlo Book but shortened it to 5 steps so it ties in with the Matrix and added a level to make 5 levels, which I haven't been there yet.
The Progression;
                              1)  1, 1, 2, 2, 3
                              2)  1, 2, 2, 3, 4
                              3)  2, 2, 3, 4, 5
                              4)  2, 3, 4, 5, 7
                              5)  3, 4, 5, 7, 9

As you can see it works going down as across same as the Matrix.
Now to the use of:

Starting with the first level off the progression on the first level of the Matrix until a win then drop to the next level or line 2 off the matrix and level 1 of the progression, go again.
If you finish a line on the matrix with no win, then drop to the next line on the matrix and the next level of the progression, if a win and drop in earnings then stay on that level of the progression until level or better.

Pheww, got there. Now this has not been well tested but so far has changed the whole outcome of using the Matrix and made it into nearly a totally mechanical system >:D Controls your bet and controls your Prog so you can't get too deep into either and makes a relaxed game.

Thanks for making me look again at progressions Notto  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 17, 05:21 AM 2019
Well not always Sunshine and Roses, had a drawn out game on R-Sim which dropped me into the 3rd level for quite a while but eventually dug itself back out. Could have skipped a level on progression which would have got me out faster, but if I had hit a bad streak at that level then I'm into high amounts, rather restart, but wanted to test this prog a bit more.
Can anyone tell me how to capture the screen from R-Sim so I can post here, thank you.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Firefox on Mar 17, 12:55 PM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 17, 05:21 AM 2019Can anyone tell me how to capture the screen from R-Sim so I can post here, thank you.

If R-sim is on a windows PC then alt-prtscn together copies screen or active window into the paste buffer and you can paste it into a program like paint or photoshop and save as a jpeg. You can also crop and resize.

If it's an app on a mobile device, on Android, home and power off together takes a screenshot and saves it as jpeg in your gallery or similar location.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 05:32 PM 2019
DTown
Big thanks for the matrix idea. +200 units using unit of 10 on the unbeatable MPR.
At the moment 418 spins on R-sim; again using unit of 10, so as be like MPR, don't need 30+ seconds, +2000 units.

I don't use your matrix, just use the mat as the matrix.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 05:36 PM 2019
oops forgot
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 05:45 PM 2019
well i need a break
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DTown; Mauri :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 07:28 PM 2019
Well that's it for tonight.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 17, 07:49 PM 2019
 :)

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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 17, 09:20 PM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 17, 05:32 PM 2019
DTown
Big thanks for the matrix idea. +200 units using unit of 10 on the unbeatable MPR.
At the moment 418 spins on R-sim; again using unit of 10, so as be like MPR, don't need 30+ seconds, +2000 units.

I don't use your matrix, just use the mat as the matrix.

Notto I've had great success on MPR and R-Sim as well, I think it actually goes better on MPR, but it slowed down a lot using the new prog but then, I don't get any big drawdowns now. I haven't tried using the mat as a matrix yet, still working on this one but results seem to be similar except the mat doesn't pick up on the cross runs that the Matrix was designed to do, or does it !!!!!!!!!
Further investigation required  :-\
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 17, 09:24 PM 2019
Firefox, I thank you for the tuition, just put the bill in the mail  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Firefox on Mar 17, 10:45 PM 2019
No probs, it's all for free, though some nob did ask what I was selling the other day!

Looking forward to the screenshot  ;)
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: sugtips on Mar 17, 10:52 PM 2019
Hi all, Thanks God and Good Morning All

So which is the good progression for this system?

Love and Light
SugTips
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 18, 12:35 AM 2019
Quote from: sugtips on Mar 17, 10:52 PM 2019
Hi all, Thanks God and Good Morning All

So which is the good progression for this system?

Love and Light
SugTips

The best progression I have found so far has been the Fibo which is on the very first post also along the bottom of the Matrix, I've been playing with the ladder progression, but found it takes too long to recover with.
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 18, 12:40 AM 2019
Notto, I have been playing the mat as the matrix using the columns, not sure which way you do it but whichever column is hit I countdown from line 1 the number of bets I'm on and that is the colour I bet on next, so far has proven highly successful using the fibo  :thumbsup: more than one way to skin a cat  :smile: now just got to try it on MPR
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 18, 01:12 AM 2019
Notto MPR,  :wink:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 18, 03:50 AM 2019
Hi Downtown, I've been testing this too. The matrix, as at post 1, along with various progressions and found that the Fibo probably is best suited to it.
We get the odd loss but then factoring in the wins and it's still well in plus territory.
I'd be interested in trying the layout as a matrix but when you say you countdown from line 1 the number of bets you're on and that's your colour, what do you mean?

Good luck.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 18, 06:37 AM 2019
Hi Ewar, I think Notto got onto something with the layout I've found it to be quite effective so far just using the mat as the Matrix, I suppose time will tell.
It works like this;
Column 1, 2, 3,  and then 1 to 12 in each column, okay, ignore any #'s just look at each column as 1 through to 12 as on the matrix were we went 1 to 5.

Now if #23 is spun, we go to column 2, first colour in that column is Black, so we bet on black.
Next #12 is spun, Red, so we go to column 3, because it's the second # spun we go two places on column 3, which gives us a black, so we bet on black.
Next # is 25 Red, column 1, 3rd spin so we go down 3 places on that column, which gives us a Red, so we bet on Red.
Next spin we get # 5 Red, Win.
Then restart. So easy.

Progression I stick with the Fibo as it does seem to work better, as to the odd loss, well it happens, just have to minimise, but you recoup pretty easily.
If it looks like it's on a bad run I'll stop and go virtual, on the other Matrix if I went a line with no win I would stop and go virtual until the wins picked up again then carry on with the next line so it kept any drawdown to a minimal.
Using the mat I do the same, I go the 5 times as a stoploss then restart so the max drawdown is x5, keeps it very manageable.
Hope that helps you ewar and good luck  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 06:46 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 18, 06:37 AM 2019
Hi Ewar, I think Notto got onto something with the layout I've found it to be quite effective so far just using the mat as the Matrix, I suppose time will tell.
It works like this;
Column 1, 2, 3,  and then 1 to 12 in each column, okay, ignore any #'s just look at each column as 1 through to 12 as on the matrix were we went 1 to 5.

Now if #23 is spun, we go to column 2, first colour in that column is Black, so we bet on black.
Next #12 is spun, Red, so we go to column 3, because it's the second # spun we go two places on column 3, which gives us a black, so we bet on black.
Next # is 25 Red, column 1, 3rd spin so we go down 3 places on that column, which gives us a Red, so we bet on Red.
Next spin we get # 5 Red, Win.
Then restart. So easy.

Progression I stick with the Fibo as it does seem to work better, as to the odd loss, well it happens, just have to minimise, but you recoup pretty easily.
If it looks like it's on a bad run I'll stop and go virtual, on the other Matrix if I went a line with no win I would stop and go virtual until the wins picked up again then carry on with the next line so it kept any drawdown to a minimal.
Using the mat I do the same, I go the 5 times as a stoploss then restart so the max drawdown is x5, keeps it very manageable.
Hope that helps you ewar and good luck  :thumbsup:

There; nice and easy. Easy to track; don't need a phone or a wobbly wheel.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 18, 06:54 AM 2019
I got the socks though Notto, with the green top.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 07:42 AM 2019
The mat is your matrix.
Now you always hear what if you started at spin so and so; obviously they are looking at the draw down. Well this is Marty. Here you have 3000 units. On the unbeatable MPR you have 5000 units.
So use the smallest unit you can. MPR; use 10 units. So on R-sim use unit of 10 as to keep in line with the great MPR.

Okay spin and #1 land’s. Think of the mat as a continuous cylinder so #34 is joined to #1. So below #1 is black #4; so you bet even chance black and win, #26. Now look at #26; next to it is #29, so your bet; is black again and lose. Now next to #29 is red #32; so you bet even chance red and double. Lose. Again; next to #32 is #35, so bet black and lose. Now as we treat the mat as a cylinder; the #2 black is next, so the even chance black is bet, you’d have kept doubling. Anyway you win on #15 black. So to the side of black 15; is #18, red, so you bet red and win. Look to the side of #19 and its black #22, so you bet black and lose. To the side of #22 is red #25, so the even chance; red is bet and win on red 18. Again look to the side of #18 and its red #21, so the bet is red, lose to 17 black. To the side of the #21 is black #24, so the bet will be black and lose, zero hits. To the side of #24 is red #27, bet red and lose. To the side of #27 is red #30, bet is red again, you’d have been using the Marty and win on red #9. Last one; beside #9 is red #12, bet red and win on red#1.Think you can see the idea.

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This way got to the 6000 units.
As the fox says, the mat takes away the thinking, the mat is giving you the colour to bet. Your decision is how to stake.

Good luck; where your coloured socks. Keep the mobile out of site (covert) in your socks
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 07:45 AM 2019
Starting another game.
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 07:47 AM 2019
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Early; will we be in play at say 100 spins or bust.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 08:08 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 18, 07:42 AM 2019Now you always hear what if you started at spin so and so; obviously they are looking at the draw down. Well this is Marty.

100 spins; see if you could say i'd have started 21 spins later, it would be perfect. But aren't you gambling on a game of chance.
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The mat you don't have to go from #34 to #1, you could back track and use #31
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 08:46 AM 2019
Back to the drawing board  :ooh:

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Now i think i made the wrong bet on the #35 with the #23 coming next, why because i got mrs hammer asking are you going to eat, so i lost the order. Anyway i'll carry on.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 08:48 AM 2019
But this is the place eh General (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/03/18/sourcefeea0.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/UC05S)
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 09:17 AM 2019
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So a nice 500
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 11:05 AM 2019
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 18, 11:13 AM 2019
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194 spins so far.

Must remember the socks.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 18, 11:45 AM 2019
Notto I played your big drawdown game and had a different result, remember though it was manually, I only use the first five lines before reset then if loss, then virtual, makes it a whole different scenario, so I don't get caught up in the bad run which was the reason for the matrix in the first place, to limit those long losing runs. If I used a higher stop loss then I would go further down the table, but then takes too long to recoup so I keep it short and sweet.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 18, 12:34 PM 2019
Well that was a big drawdown on MPR, never seen so many Reds  >:(
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 19, 03:42 AM 2019
I tried a couple of sessions last night, playing the way Notto outlined earlier, keep on the same column if lose but switch columns on a win and had good success.
I still had a string of 6 Ls though. I'm thinking about maybe a simple D'alembert progression, maybe capping at 4 or 5 L's then playing for a virtual W before starting again.
I'll look at that tonight.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 19, 05:33 AM 2019
Not sure ewar, I had a big drawdown playing the mat, so I switched back to the Matrix and got back up, in hindsight I think I win more on the Matrix, but playing the Mat is enjoyable. I sure I did try the Alembert in the early days, can't remember how it went but I must have changed for a reason, let us know how you go.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 19, 06:04 AM 2019
ewarwoowar
On a win; just spin for next number, say #21 comes, you have 2 columns column A or C, #21 being red so you bet black #4 or #6
Column A is 6 red and black, the other is either more reds or blacks, so which colour is dominate could help in your choice.
As foxy said it takes the pressure off you as the column gives the colours to bet.

I did use the numerical order. But is this not to uniform like r,b,r,b untill #'s 10&11so you could be on the r,b,rb and b,r,b,r is happening. But whats the longest it stays r,b,r,b
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 19, 06:06 AM 2019
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Still going up
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 19, 06:31 AM 2019
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ewarwoowar
think 2 #’s have gone below the red 9.
That red 9 gets you to bet black and win. So spin #21,its red so the bet is black through #’s 4&6, lose. Now bet red and lose again, now you have to decide whether to bet black #10 or red #12 and PRECOG here, I chose red but in the head something is saying zero’s coming, but don’t bet it and yes it came, so lost. But as I chose red as more are showing, the next number is #15 black and win.
Again just spin #30, so it’s back to #’s 4 or 6, black and win.
As you see nice 100 units.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 19, 06:53 AM 2019
Nice and simple
imagine at the B+M, got to clock the wheel, its speed and all other shite. Or have the hidden phone.
All you need are 1 red sock and 1 black sock and something green. Ladyluck is with you.

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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 19, 07:22 AM 2019
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ewarwoowar
Win; spin for next number. Went like a dream
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 20, 09:22 AM 2019
Thanks Notto. I'm still a little unsure how you play it though. On a win, you spin again to get the next colour? This is different to your method above isnt it?
Testing the method on the mat last night, I had 35Ws and 35Ls from 70 spins, but a run of 8 Ls.
This is a great selection method, I just think we need to come up with a good mm.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 12:46 PM 2019
Ewar
Yes i must of done something when the second zero come.
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There's a few ways to use the mat. The above 1st spin #27 in column C next to #27 is #30, so bet red, win #5. #5 is column B, next to #5 is black #8 so i bet black, win. #28 is column A, next to it is #31, so i bet black, win. #29 is in col B, next to #29 is #32, so i bet red and win.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 01:04 PM 2019
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So we win on the #25. Now here i just span to get a number, #4. So using col: B imagine #4 is on black 2, next is red #5 so i bet red and lost. Next is black #8 in col:B so i bet black and win, i doubled the unit. Now i just span to get a new number, #26. Again #26 is black and would sit on black 2, giving me red #5, so i bet red and lost, Again next in the col: B is black #8 and i bet black and win.

The column gives the colours, just another way, no pressure to think what to bet
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Mar 20, 06:27 PM 2019
Thanks Notto. Both nice and easy methods of bet selection, making the decision for us.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 07:24 PM 2019
Ewar
This happens a lot; the number giving the colour hits, like the #10 here.
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The 1st spin is 30 red. So sit it on #1, next is black #4 so you'd bet black and lose. Next in col: A is red #7, so the bet is red and lose. Now next in the col: is black #10. Happens often, especially if you use the method where the win was on #25 earlier.

As said there are other options with the mat as the matrix

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 07:28 PM 2019
Does R-sim Know ?
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#16, so bet black thru #4
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 07:31 PM 2019
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So the win was on #4 black, so just spin for next number and what #16, is #4 going to land, just as well or we'd worry R-sim is up to something.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 07:35 PM 2019
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Now all we need is Mako with his set of killer spins.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 07:41 PM 2019
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So a cycle of spins and vaddi is not even thought of. If keeps up i'll show the kids; it's that easy to follow
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 20, 08:05 PM 2019
Maui
The numbers you showed in Am i wrong. You see the General won his bucket of KFC. Turbo won with repeat idea.
So the 38 above ?
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The averages were good; up to the 19th non-hit they average to hit in 2 spins, just look at the hysterical TROT.
A bucket of KFC won on spin 17; like it General and Foxy.
For Turbo. 6th; you know of wait till 20th spin and bet all R1's; +27

Robbie 38 spins 12 repeats, still 2 spins for 40, it might have 14 repeats, who knows now, but it ain't that hard.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Push on Mar 21, 07:58 PM 2019
Hi notto

Are you playing this system on live roulette or RNG? Can you please explain again the way you using matrix I ended up having long streak and was doing martingale.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 24, 11:32 AM 2019
Right, now everyone has gotten used to using the Colour Matrix  ???,  time for a curveball.
Instead of using Red and Black as Red and Black, now try using Red as Even and Black as Odd, the outcome of this is very surprising.
You use the same rules as you would with the colours, same progression.
On the subject of progression I have a new one presently working on which suits the 5 bets per level and keeps a very low prog, highest so far is 6units.
Notto, hope you enjoy this one  :thumbsup: maybe when you get good at it you can combine Red/Black Odd/Even  :question:
Cheers
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 25, 04:05 AM 2019
Hey Downtown,

Looking forward to hear on that new progression!

And like the new twist on the EC ! Will give it a shot too.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 25, 04:29 AM 2019
Hi Maui, I will PM you the new Prog to test before I post it up, I have been trying to do both colours and O/E at the same time to see how it pans out but I keep confusing myself and losing the progression, at my age I can admit that lol, so I haven't been able to really test it, maybe some switched on player can give it a run  :twisted:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 25, 04:46 AM 2019
Hahaha, no worries  :thumbsup:

When you're ready!

Pitty we don't have guys like Ophis anymore that could build some awesome tracker using the matrix board and all the EC's

He use to do some brilliant coding for free on this forum. Guys like him were gems!
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 28, 05:38 AM 2019
Changed Matrix selection process, now it is always within 1-5 spins except for the run from hell which was 11 Blacks followed by 2 zeros which you see on the graph and we still overcame quickly using the Fibo prog all the way. This has to be pretty close now, I hit the $1000 mark and was starting to get bored so I finished up. Still a little more testing to go, but heading away tomorrow for the weekend so will have to wait until next week now.

Hey Firefox, Notto finally got it to work, had to use the snip tool

Cheers Guys
Al
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 28, 05:58 AM 2019
Looking at heaven...
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: sugtips on Mar 28, 08:04 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 28, 05:38 AM 2019Changed Matrix selection process, now it is always within 1-5 spins

hi, thanks for your ideas.

please share this new matrix selection (changed one). thanks.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 28, 08:20 AM 2019
Hi Sugtips, 1-5 is pretty much the normal, but BUT, Now and again the streak will bite, if you have the funds you will come through okay, if not ……………………

At the moment I am working on a trigger for the system which for a young fella like me is easy enough to think about, but another to put into practice, to negate the streaks.
So give us a bit of time, I've had to get a bit of help for this.


Cheers Al
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 28, 08:32 AM 2019
Sorry mate can't answer yet as I've exceeded my PM limit apparently  :ooh:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Mar 28, 08:32 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Mar 28, 08:32 AM 2019
Sorry mate can't answer yet as I've exceeded my limit apparently  :ooh:

No worries  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Mar 28, 08:34 AM 2019
But, I've found the post, it's from 2010 so will send the link asap.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 02, 02:25 AM 2019
First up using a trigger, only 100 spins and the last spins no trigger, largest prog was 2x, so within two spins. See how it goes.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 02, 02:43 AM 2019
Looks good Dtown

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Apr 02, 02:55 AM 2019
Come on - spill the beans. What's your trigger DT ?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 03, 05:57 AM 2019
Maui, hard game, few triggers and took a dive, the Fibo pulled it back out but because of lack of triggers and time gave up for this game. still came out ahead though.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Apr 03, 08:55 AM 2019
Would this be playable live casino? It seems like you'll wait forever to get a trigger?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 03, 11:23 AM 2019
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 03, 08:55 AM 2019
Would this be playable live casino? It seems like you'll wait forever to get a trigger?

Possibly, but more than one table.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 03, 12:02 PM 2019
There you go Maui, changed the trigger, quick game good result so far, will try and get in a long run later to see how it holds up, but with a quicker game I may have to slow the progression, we'll see  :question:
Notto what do you reckon.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 03, 01:08 PM 2019
Dtown
I like.
There's gaps both ways. The gap looking for the bet and then the gap or distance the bet goes.
Is there an average gap? for both?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 03, 01:35 PM 2019
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#20 is spin 1.
Now waiting for a loss; the 1st 10 spins are winners. It’s only where we get the next number the 2nd #29 that we see the losses and win with the black. But job done.

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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 03, 01:38 PM 2019
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 03, 02:04 PM 2019
M
1-2-4-8
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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Apr 04, 12:28 AM 2019
Gents, I'm out for the next 3 days. Doing a Safety & Security Expo.

Downtown - let me know what your trigger is on your last test, as well a prog. Graph looks good then I can start testing on Sunday.

Notto - I want to see if I understand correctly - you skip the first spins to only play the last set of a 37 spin cycle ?


Chat again soon!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 05, 01:10 AM 2019
Tested the new Matrix, 600 odd manual spins, not once did it drop further than 5 losses in a row and recouped quickly with right prog. Big thanks to Notto for the mat. New system helps place totally radom with a random interupter for any adverse runs, maybe it takes random to beat random, who knows.

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 05, 01:20 AM 2019
Maui, this is part mine, part Nottos with extra thrown in as triggers when not to bet, little more testing then I'll flick it across to you. Notto, need help testing if you can, I get to plus 500 plus spins and I start falling asleep  :yawn:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 05, 03:39 AM 2019
Okay, had a rest and pushed out to a thousand spins, the drop at about spin #800 was where I went past my stop/loss of six spins and reset my progression back to start,  but in a thousand spins it only went out to six losses the once and easily pulled back out starting from the original bet.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 05, 05:23 AM 2019
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Mauri: you know how to chose the colour to bet? Spin 29 a decision was made; the right decision thou. The red #9 is last spin.

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Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 05, 05:26 AM 2019
Thought this method was supposed to slide in to oblivion :question:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 05, 06:00 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 05, 05:26 AM 2019
Thought this method was supposed to slide in to oblivion :question:
Done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ewarwoowar on Apr 05, 09:10 AM 2019
Looking good now boys. Been away for a few days but still been looking in. looks like a few tweaks have been made.
I've got a tricky week next week too, but I'll get back at it soon.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 24, 03:46 AM 2019
Notto, Mauri
Tend to forget where we came from with the Mat, so I thought I would revisit, the trend with this tends to keep going and this would be a good night for me at the casino,so I thought I'd finish this one early.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Apr 24, 05:19 AM 2019
 :xd: I actually also revisited this yesterday, and thought that why are we trying to reinvent the wheel if it is right in front of us?

What method was this?

Playing to the right? Any other conditions?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 24, 06:08 AM 2019
The simple version Mauri, just playing the colour in front.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 24, 06:32 AM 2019
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 24, 06:08 AM 2019
The simple version Mauri, just playing the colour in front.  :thumbsup:

Good call DTown
But without exploration; you don't know. But like all methods that first view is the way, nice and simple.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ludo8400 on Apr 24, 07:36 AM 2019
@ dowtown

In annex I made an excel file.
after each 5 spins I started all over again Flat bet.

good post

ludo8400
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 24, 10:01 AM 2019
Hi Ludo
We eventually progressed past the original Matrix and started using the Table layout or Mat instead.
What we did was whatever colour was spun we just bet the colour in front of that which proved to be far more effective.
In the process of trying to make it more effective yet again that was when we moved across to Random Carpet Ride and introduced
different methods such as just certain columns and ways of playing those columns. Throughout all these trials though I kept coming back to the original progression with virtual spins depending on which method I was playing.
Love the excel, pointed a couple of things out to me and thanks for your interest.
Cheers Al
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Apr 24, 02:25 PM 2019
Quote from: ludo8400 on Apr 24, 07:36 AM 2019
@ dowtown

In annex I made an excel file.
after each 5 spins I started all over again Flat bet.

good post

ludo8400


And how is your results so far Ludo? ( flat betting? )

Like Dtown said - between the 3 of us, we've morphed somewhat, but I agree with DT - we've always come back to the carpet, I prefer the color after but it's all the same.

Strike rate is good. Marty 1,2,4,8 works pretty good most of the times, but you do get draw downs. So if you're patient, and disciplined, it makes for some great results!  :thumbsup:

But - all credit goes to DTown for the initial color matrix! And Notto for following the carpet.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: ludo8400 on Apr 24, 03:42 PM 2019
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 24, 02:25 PM 2019

And how is your results so far Ludo? ( flat betting? )

Like Dtown said - between the 3 of us, we've morphed somewhat, but I agree with DT - we've always come back to the carpet, I prefer the color after but it's all the same.

Strike rate is good. Marty 1,2,4,8 works pretty good most of the times, but you do get draw downs. So if you're patient, and disciplined, it makes for some great results!  :thumbsup:

But - all credit goes to DTown for the initial color matrix! And Notto for following the carpet.

Indead you can 't change the house edge.
Ludo8400
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: hody79 on Apr 26, 01:42 PM 2019
bonjour ....la matrice de couleur donne d aussi bon résultats horizontalement que verticalement  ...????????
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Apr 26, 09:44 PM 2019
Quote from: hody79 on Apr 26, 01:42 PM 2019
bonjour ....la matrice de couleur donne d aussi bon résultats horizontalement que verticalement  ...????????

Il y a plusieurs façons de jouer à cela, mais c'est principalement choisir la couleur qui se trouve devant celle qui est filée. Ainsi, si la 12e est filée, vous pariez sur le rouge, la couleur prise sur la 9e.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: blueman on Apr 29, 06:14 AM 2019
Quote from: hody79 on Apr 26, 01:42 PM 2019
bonjour ....la matrice de couleur donne d aussi bon résultats horizontalement que verticalement  ...????????

Dobar dan, a da ipak napišeš na engleskom? :lol:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 26, 10:09 AM 2019
75 spins @ 100 unit; 50unit till spin148.  10 unit till spin313.
Nearly busted with the 100 unit. The 50 unit back to level

The 10 unit; +500 Max spin was 7 and happened 4 times; twice in the 10 unit section.

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 26, 10:41 AM 2019
So using the carpet as your matrix; you don't need to know distribution of colours, etc,etc.

Think max 6 spins. Liked the free spin the zero's came on them
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 27, 07:52 AM 2019
Just as well i'm coloured blind Saint. Suppose this don't happen on live wheels.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Steve on Jun 27, 11:25 AM 2019
Notto, you are so beyond clueless Im not wasting time explaining it to you. Just go and win real money, stop messing around with play money on games where lots of people make millions. Then when you are broke (real money) instead of a millionaire, it might tell you something. Just go do it, please.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Steve on Jun 27, 11:32 AM 2019
For people that would like to actually undestand notto's chart, he's using a progression that aims to recover, and maybe make a small profit to show a gradually increasing bankroll.

Basically, he's risking a lot to make a little.

Like any progression, it can be good.. until it's a disaster.

Like any progression, it doesn't solve the core problem of lower payouts than the odds.

Progression is basically a loan that must be repaid eventually PLUS interest. It doesn't work.

Also it seems with every chart of his I see lately, he starts from the same bankroll. And makes a little bit of money in a few spins. Is it something you cant do with basic progression and random bets? Where are his charts of ever-growing bankroll, instead of constant bankroll resets?

It's not complicated.

Am I just being negative? Or is notto's approach the same nonsense repackaged?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Steve on Jun 27, 11:43 AM 2019
Just understand Notto, I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm trying to help people. What you're doing just doesn't work, and you speak as if I'm the one with no idea.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Downtown on Jun 30, 02:41 AM 2019
Notto keep going mate, I haven't been here for a fair while, but it's a wet day so time to kill.
The last four weeks have been at the casino with the system sitting at the rapid with my head down, my mouth shut and walk out a couple of hours later with my wage for the day, doesn't take long for 100 spins, I'm just using a $200 BR which I have lost twice but no biggy. But as Steve says accuracy counts and all the answers are in the two threads to help reduce the randomness, extra hint in the emails, you know the answers, just concentrate. I will include a graph from R-Sim that shows an increase in accuracy, not that it proves anything, or that I have anything to prove except this will be my last post, so keep up the good work mate.

Cheers Al  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 29, 06:47 AM 2019
Jono still about.

As said options #20
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 29, 07:10 AM 2019
Jono options

My RA is bad; so i stopped but you see some #'s give a bet, other #'s don't.

Jono nearly forgot. 60 spins 31 non-hits

So like Gizmo says watch random.

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 30, 04:45 PM 2019
Mauri
you've got the direction; or you not looked at your post
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Maui13 on Sep 02, 03:08 AM 2019
Hey Notto,

No I checked your mail!  :thumbsup:

Fully understand
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 02, 06:13 AM 2019
Jono, mauri

In the post, some ramblings :xd:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 02, 06:38 AM 2019
Jono & Mauri

Jon like you say to Giz, test and test you see options on the start of the bet.

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 04, 03:22 AM 2019
Jono
What the ramblings is about look at the opening #'s.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 04, 03:33 AM 2019
Jono
The #16 gives the Gizmo 3 wins. Look at the no bet #'s and give thought to your options.

Oh yes my guessing.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 04, 02:04 PM 2019
Jono The General on the other forum

Gizmo,

If the number of pockets on the wheel determines the probability of winning and the number of pockets remains the same from one spin to the next, then how could your "reading randomness" possibly change the odds?

B+M is favorite all the time; But can they stop random guessing? 2 wins

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 04, 02:08 PM 2019
3 wins
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 15, 03:27 PM 2019
Just another way team :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: jono1167 on Sep 16, 02:05 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 02:04 PM 2019
Jono The General on the other forum


😂 😂 😂
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 16, 08:40 AM 2019
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 04, 02:04 PM 2019
Jono The General on the other forum

Gizmo,

If the number of pockets on the wheel determines the probability of winning and the number of pockets remains the same from one spin to the next, then how could your "reading randomness" possibly change the odds?

B+M is favorite all the time; But can they stop random guessing? 2 wins

Hmm, "random guessing." That zings. It comes right to the point too. It's the actual action, the "verb." Nice going. I think you just coined a phrase.

Attack of the Random Guessers.  The mathBoyz will shutter, "It's alive!"
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 27, 02:04 PM 2020
Over at Gambling forum; been testing Turbs top 3. Yes you can win. But it's boring  :yawn:
Now looking at the spins of turbs on testing, you might as well just use the mat as a matrix.
Just went forward on the last number. If, say #36 is last, just go forward, so, use #3, if lose use #6. If win a black came in through using #6. Say #13 black gave the win; now bet red for #16 we're going forward. Simple like old foxy said, takes the pressure of you having to select.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 27, 03:41 PM 2020
Easier than the horse race; quick +50
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: jono1167 on Jun 28, 12:59 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 27, 02:04 PM 2020
Over at Gambling forum; been testing Turbs top 3. Yes you can win. But it's boring  :yawn:
Now looking at the spins of turbs on testing, you might as well just use the mat as a matrix.
Just went forward on the last number. If, say #36 is last, just go forward, so, use #3, if lose use #6. If win a black came in through using #6. Say #13 black gave the win; now bet red for #16 we're going forward. Simple like old foxy said, takes the pressure of you having to select.
Nice charts Notto! Where is ‘old foxy’ anyway?  :)
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: jono1167 on Jun 28, 01:03 AM 2020
There’s plenty of working being put into Turbo’s top 3 Notto. Just can’t quite get it across the line.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 28, 07:11 AM 2020
Jono the mat matrix 21 spins +10.
Now the top 4 spots
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 28, 07:12 AM 2020
Quote from: jono1167 on Jun 28, 12:59 AM 2020
Nice charts Notto! Where is ‘old foxy’ anyway?  :)
Foxy looking for wobbley wheels with chief Unicorn
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Richard Meisel on Jun 28, 12:57 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 16, 08:40 AM 2019
Hmm, "random guessing." That zings. It comes right to the point too. It's the actual action, the "verb." Nice going. I think you just coined a phrase.

Attack of the Random Guessers.  The mathBoyz will shutter, "It's alive!"
Don't like guessing. I like Choosing. Call me a RANDOM CHOOSER.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 28, 02:22 PM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Jun 28, 12:57 PM 2020Don't like guessing. I like Choosing. Call me a RANDOM CHOOSER.
It's just junk news I'm suggesting. The mathBoyz have tried to pigeonhole my claims as being prediction and not making guesses. I have no idea or expectation that the next spin will be a continuation of the sequence or an ending of the sequence. So I guess. Another way to put it is to speculate. There is a huge amount of money to be made off of a monster sized, continuing sequence. Those that are skilled, funded, and prepared are the ones that exploit these forms of coincidence. Those that use their brains to protect themselves from the dangers of trend characteristics and to recruit others to their way of safety are the Snowflakes of the safer spaces gambling world. They are the prophylactics of safe gambling and losing, where otherwise being rewarded for their diligence. So there must be a name for them not guessing. Perhaps random losers?  In a sentence: The random losers are still erecting their lame old "prediction" claims in order to win another straw man argument.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: jono1167 on Jun 29, 06:15 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 28, 07:11 AM 2020
Jono the mat matrix 21 spins +10.
Now the top 4 spots
The charts and graphs are great Notto. It’s good to look at someone else’s results and see what they’re doing.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 29, 06:29 AM 2020
Jono used as in the e-mail; who's missing on C?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 29, 07:41 AM 2020
Sturrock
Can you see C1
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 29, 07:56 AM 2020
Can you follow. I don't even know if Downtown has this way?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 30, 11:47 AM 2020
needs more testing. Live spins have been good on the numbers done.

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 30, 05:49 PM 2020
Where's chief of the unicorns; I know looking for that wobbley wheel.
Here's top 4.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: jono1167 on Jun 30, 06:45 PM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 30, 05:49 PM 2020
Where's chief of the unicorns; I know looking for that wobbley wheel.
Here's top 4.
Well done Notto. The charts look great! Where is Downtown? He should be here to see this.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 01, 05:54 AM 2020
The 2 spins?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 01, 06:03 AM 2020
Nice
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 02, 07:28 AM 2020
To someone whos' busy till the weekend.
Another way to select the colour; its going great :thumbsup:
Slightly different approach.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 08, 05:41 PM 2020
 :)
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 09, 04:00 AM 2020
Continued on to 500 spins.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: leoncino74 on Jul 09, 01:18 PM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 02, 07:28 AM 2020
To someone whos' busy till the weekend.
Another way to select the colour; its going great :thumbsup:
Slightly different approach.

Puoi spiegare qual'è il nuovo modo , grazie in anticipo
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 09, 06:46 PM 2020
Testers; the wait game.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 09, 06:55 PM 2020
Did I say see whats dominating :thumbsup:
You choose
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 09, 07:02 PM 2020
Wait or go for it?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 10, 04:43 AM 2020
Those who know;  last number is #35. try the waiting game. If you didnt and just went for it- bust. If you can follow what showed.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 10, 05:30 AM 2020
If, you read your mail. This is going ok :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 10, 06:41 AM 2020
Well a Marty killer or wait? #14 is last spin
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 10, 06:56 AM 2020
Well, I made the 500
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: leoncino74 on Jul 10, 09:44 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 10, 05:30 AM 2020
If, you read your mail. This is going ok :thumbsup:

Non c'è posta per me...  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 10, 02:58 PM 2020
The old 4 game; another +500
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Mister Eko on Jul 10, 05:23 PM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 10, 02:58 PM 2020
The old 4 game; another +500

Cartoon game. Go play with real money.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 10, 06:56 PM 2020
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jul 10, 05:23 PM 2020
Cartoon game. Go play with real money.
Unicorn gang member
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: pepper on Jul 11, 08:53 AM 2020
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jul 10, 05:23 PM 2020Cartoon game. Go play with real money.
Why don't you just flush your money down the toilet
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Mister Eko on Jul 11, 04:09 PM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 10, 06:56 PM 2020
Unicorn gang member

7,000 comments and already playing with cartoon roulette, and he is glad that he wins on rouelette simulator. Ah good I havenothing to say, like Mourinho said, this world is over.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 12, 05:02 AM 2020
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jul 11, 04:09 PM 2020
7,000 comments and already playing with cartoon roulette, and he is glad that he wins on rouelette simulator. Ah good I havenothing to say, like Mourinho said, this world is over.
Gormless, you have no idea of this method; unless you have contacted me under an alias, which happens.

FYI, I use to play the cartoon wheel in the UK, betting shops and win enough to be in front. People like you can't win, so you have this mentality of, you can't win, no one can win.
Goodbye you are the weakest link.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: Steve on Jul 12, 05:15 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 10, 06:56 AM 2020
Well, I made the 500

It looks like the topical chart from progression betting.

If your system was the same as random bets, and typical progression, wouldn't you want to know, so you can try something different?

Or would you rather fool yourself?
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 19, 02:09 PM 2020
Typical chart :lol:
1st 100 spins R,B Next 100 spins E,O

Try something different, what like a cheating device losers use
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 19, 02:10 PM 2020
Yes Saint took a week to curve fit
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 19, 02:28 PM 2020
#18 spin 201
I use Even and then follow the order; great set of spins
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: pepper on Jul 19, 02:41 PM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 19, 02:09 PM 2020Try something different, what like a cheating device losers use
It's not cheating; I would use one if they really worked.

Casinos consider any known method of AP as cheating. The law rules that you can predict spins using a computer, because you aren't affecting the result. I just don't think Steve's computers are legit.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: winkel on Jul 19, 04:59 PM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 19, 02:28 PM 2020
#18 spin 201
I use Even and then follow the order; great set of spins

I bet you have forgotten to subtract the betsize
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 20, 03:52 PM 2020
Jono; or resident experts.

Do we see a certain sequence more often than others. You experts what sequence kills you?
Could it be the one most quoted; r,b,b,r,b,b,r,0,b
Or, r,r,r,b,b,b,r,r,r

I'd take r,b,r,b,r,b,b all day long even reverse it. Or; b,b,b,b,r,r,b,
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 09:55 AM 2020
slalom; Jono ??
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 10:04 AM 2020
Len; slalom?????????????
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 21, 10:15 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 20, 03:52 PM 2020
Jono; or resident experts.

Do we see a certain sequence more often than others. You experts what sequence kills you?
Could it be the one most quoted; r,b,b,r,b,b,r,0,b
Or, r,r,r,b,b,b,r,r,r

I'd take r,b,r,b,r,b,b all day long even reverse it. Or; b,b,b,b,r,r,b,

I see singles on the weak side the most. I see absence of singles. I see doubles on the weak side with absence of singles, and absence of triples.  This is a weak version of singles on the weak side, your own example: " r,b,b,r,b,b,r,0,b."

You should know that there is no sequence that is dominant. You should get use to the idea that what you get is what you get. Just play what you are getting.  This might be frustrating but the absence of any recognizable pattern is also information. All you need from these stretches is to recognize what they are and to speculate, once in my opinion, on them continuing. If you can pull out one net win from any sequence then you are doing well. Going for the long shot runs works only some of the time.

I take the casino's money and break it up into parts where half is used to get the first win off of the first try. Everything after that is free of charge. So let a little run short, a little run a few spins longer, and let the the last bit run for a longer while. All these after bets are doubling down and are eventually being taken off after there pre-selected intervals.  But that is just the way that I like to speculate on trends. 15 reds in a row is a good example for this type of Aspeculation.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 10:25 AM 2020
Slalom the 2
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 10:29 AM 2020
Giz
15 reds in a row. Take that all day long, as selection is defined by the mat; like foxy said takes the pressure off.
It's like r,b,r,b continuing, take it all day long.

It's tripples or quads that are awkward
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 21, 10:52 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 21, 10:29 AM 2020It's tripples or quads that are awkward
I watch for anything that sticks out. A swarm of triples is fine with me. Anther way that is more common would be an absence of singles or doubles but with a bunch of 3's, 4's, or 5's and greater. It happens. Just go with it.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 12:33 PM 2020
Giz
You see #2 last spin.
Now if you knew how to slalom on the mat; #36 starts a run of 3 reds. This would be great if you use option 1 or 3; but option 2 would have you sweating a bit, but the black is win, so, R_R_R_B
you can see it appears again, but black gets the win.

This set of spins didn't see the r,b,r,b to much, that the slalom can handle

There's more, but Saint will only say do I want to learn, "cough"
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 21, 01:04 PM 2020
So I took your list of spins and entered them into my playing software and got this:


| B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |
|    X |    X |    X | X    | X | X |
| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |
|    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |
|    X |    X |    X | X    | X | X |
| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |
|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |
| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |
| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |
|    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |
|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |
|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |
| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |
|--------------------| X    | X | X |
| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |
|    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |
|    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |
|    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |
| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |
| X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |
| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |
|    X |    X |    X | X    | X | X |
|    X | X    | X    |    X |   |   |
| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |


There's a huge domination in the Primes ( P )

Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 01:20 PM 2020
Giz
The attached not my spins, but there is some talk on the slalom
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 21, 02:18 PM 2020
Some always say "curve fitting." But it's a skill to play for things that continue while in real time.

People train themselves to see more and more. With that experience the have tools to take the best chances. They get better at it. It becomes more and more easy. The more things that you can find that show signs of continuing, including swarms of lengths of continuing things, the more and better your chances are of winning sessions.

Each of us have our own way of seeing random characteristics.  But the big picture of exploiting any condition all comes closer together as more and more of us discuss it.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 04:35 PM 2020
Found another option. Option 2 looks to be the best, at the moment.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 22, 11:22 AM 2020
That option trying above, canned 2nd go. Didn't bust the bankroll, but just couldn't get back.

Now this option is going great.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: sugtips on Jul 23, 05:29 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 22, 11:22 AM 2020
That option trying above, canned 2nd go. Didn't bust the bankroll, but just couldn't get back.

Now this option is going great.

Thanks God and Good Morning All,

Hi Notto, Thanks for all your sharing.

Can we get the exact system and strategy you are using for this "colour matrix 28".

Love and Light,
SugTips
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 23, 07:00 AM 2020
 leoncino74
Can you see using option 2 the blue line.
Title: Re: Colour Matrix
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 25, 11:35 AM 2020
with all the replies in just 1 option and excel again. +100