I wasn't sure if it was worth writing this on here since most of the users seem to be obsessed with systems. While some are here for fun others seem to be too lazy or too naive to understand that you can not use systems or mathematics to beat roulette.
Having thought about this for a while I've come to realise that this maybe caused by many who have found success with precognition choosing to not reveal their methods and simply leaving the site and continue winning.
Since a few members have asked me for my method or how to do precognition. I think I will write a little guide and hopefully those that are serious can begin to use the only method (precognition) that truly beats roulette and stop pouring their money down the drain playing systems.
Before reading and starting your practice with precognition be aware that there is no guarantee that you possess the natural talent needed to make this work. For example, just like the Olympics, not everyone is able to run a 100 meters in under 10 seconds. But this does not mean it is impossible, it just means you may not have the natural psychic ability to do so.
Everything you are about to read can be found online already. I am just helping put all of it in one place to make it easier for beginners.Having said that here is a quick starter guide for anyone interested in these ideas;
I will start with the known cases of successful application of roulette with precognition:
Spin-geekAlso known as Kenny Thompson has written a book called 'How Did You Know' I would highly recommend you find yourself a copy as it explains some important ideas. Here is an excerpt from it regarding the method.
"Find a comfortable position to sit in. Make
sure you have your wheel or bag ready. You need
to relax your body and mind, and turn all of your
attention onto what number is coming. You’re
asking the question in your mind. Think of this and
only this in your mind. If your mind drifts onto
what you had for breakfast, you need to pause and
bring your mind back to the question. You will
immediately get information as to what the next
number will be. Allow yourself to know, to hear
your inner voice. There is a difference between
this voice and a thinking voice. It’s subtle, but it’s
there."Method:
1. Relax your body and mind
2. Focus on the next number and ask the question in your mind
3. You will receive information about what the next number is.
4. Listen to an inner voice and not the thinking voice.
He would see a number and play the finals. For example he would see 5 and play 5,15,25,35
Roulette WarriorsWhile they are from the ramtha school their methods are actually very much inline with Kenny's approach.
Here is a comment from their YouTube channel;
"I can not teach, however I can say you are supposed to have a clear mind, trance state in all focus. When I focus on the next roulette number, I just say once to myself "next roulette number" than I go blank.. no thoughts at all, and I wait for the number to appear. My brain knows what I am looking for, I don't have to be thinking about it. Hope this helps."Method:
1. Enter a clear mind, trance state
2. Focus on the next roulette number
3. ask the question "Next roulette number"
4. Go blank... no thoughts at all
5. Wait for the number to appear
6. Your brain knows the answer and you don't have to think about it (here I believe they mean you do not need your 'thinking/chattering voice' to logically find the answer, you just know)
NoWunThe most noticeable figure on this forum to demonstrate what can be achieved with precognition is NoWun.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=xy7alKPzKew
He had been practising reiki before attempting to do this. He also practised candle meditation.
Method:
1. Relax your mind
2. Focus on an empty place
3. Wait for the numbers to appear
4. Meditate on winning in this way before you go to bed
NoWun claims he can now just know the numbers, maybe the method has changed or is just a perfecting of the previous method.
Read his thread link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15635.0
General Remote ViewingWhile remote viewing has been successful for me the protocols involved are too time consuming for it to be given any serious consideration in regards to roulette. You can find a vast amount of information on the internet about remote viewing since it is probably the most well known form of precognition.
==== Other ideas =====Ancient AccountsThere is nothing particularly new or unique about precognition. Precognition has been practised since prehistory and was just a part of ever day life. Whether it was precognitive dreams or the use of other forms of divination, it has always been around. It is only in today's materialist scientific environment that we have forgotten this ability.
The videos below show what ancient precognition might have been like.
Nina kulagina demostrating clairvoyance (starts at 10:26 minutes)
link:s://youtu.be/4BZSEVvhpPE?t=626
Nei gong master demostrating ability to see through (starts at 5:20 minutes)
link:s://youtu.be/jOT6qL_-SUg?t=320
Scientific accountsThere are a countless number of papers written on this subject;
link:://:.deanradin.com/articles/2018%20Precognition%20as%20a%20Form%20of%20Prospection%20cns_5_1_78.pdf
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4706048/
Richard Alan Millerlink:://:.nwbotanicals.org/oak/magick/hypnoesp/hypnochapt5.htm
The method for inducing extra-sensory perception through forms of self-hypnosis is:
(1) Formulate the question.
(2) Hold that thought for as long as possible.
(3) Assume that the event has occurred.
(4) Drop into a "blank mind" state and wait.
The Ultimate Roulette MethodIn my opinion while it is possible to develop your precognition to achieve very high accuracy, Its almost impossible to be correct 100% of the time. With this in mind, the ultimate roulette strategy would be to have 3 expert precogs who would synchronise their predictions before placing a bet.
By only flat betting they would be correct 100% of the time.
I believe Steve has been attempting to test something along these lines in a controlled experiment. link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18276.0
Esoteric ideasDaemons (not demons but guiding spirits). Maybe the ancients didn't know about the subconscious mind like we do today and referred to it as 'spirits'. But we can be sure they definitely understood the phenomena of precognition since they believed the reason some people were luckier than others was due to their Daemons 'guiding spirits'
Yoga Sutras of PatanjaliRegardless of who wrote it, I think we can agree it is clearly a work of genius. It teaches you the steps to take in order to attain a state of samadhi. Once you are in this state who will be able to achieve the siddhis. One of the siddhis is precognition.
Holographic UniverseRead Itzhak Bentov's stalking the wild pendulum
==== Conclusion ====To make this work you will need many hours of practice, well above a 1,000 hours as a minimum requirement depending on your natural talent. But once you have a desire to make this work do the following steps;
1. Learn to still your mind
2. Learn to listen to the inner voice
To still your mind you will obviously need to learn to meditate. It can be as simple as breath meditation or you can practice candle or jhana/concentration meditation.
To listen to the inner voice you need to be able to stop your chattering thoughts. There are many tutorials and examples to do this.
When it comes time to practice. I would suggest you first start small. Just do simple black and red guesses so that you do not get demotivated after some time move on to 3 choice tests and then 4 or 5 choice tests.
Then move on to zener cards.
Once you can predict 9/25 cards correctly using the zener card tests you are ready to attempt roulette.
When you see (or know) a number play its finals. Similar to the way Kenny plays. If you see 5 you play 5,15,25,35.
Once you become very confident that you can get a hit in every 4 spins while playing finals, you can alternate between finals and dozens. Play dozens (with a progression) to recoup any loses because you will now almost always get dozens correct.
Good LUCK!! and believe.
The guide would not be complete if we did not say that we must listen to a lot of Beethoven.
Haven't read the guide yet but it looks good. Thank you very much!
Quote from: Still on Mar 13, 12:14 AM 2019
Haven't read the guide yet but it looks good. Thank you very much!
You’re welcome. Once people learn to keep the mind still they can achieve many wondrous things.
Hi, PRECOGMILES!
As far as I understand, you are engaged in meditation, how friendly are the teachings on the use of natural substances to calm the mind?
I tried to do it in the morning, relaxed the mind and began to listen to the numbers, you need to try a little to catch the mind and not the ego.
The result was positive, even now I tried to do it again - I listened to the mind, opened Betvoyager / made a bet on 4 numbers - 7,14,16,21. The result in the picture :)
It is very hard to believe that such a thing exists. I myself am skeptical about this, but do not rule out its existence ...
Quote from: Person S on Mar 21, 05:40 AM 2019
Hi, PRECOGMILES!
As far as I understand, you are engaged in meditation, how friendly are the teachings on the use of natural substances to calm the mind?
I tried to do it in the morning, relaxed the mind and began to listen to the numbers, you need to try a little to catch the mind and not the ego.
The result was positive, even now I tried to do it again - I listened to the mind, opened Betvoyager / made a bet on 4 numbers - 7,14,16,21. The result in the picture :)
It is very hard to believe that such a thing exists. I myself am skeptical about this, but do not rule out its existence ...
That is all the evidence you need. Unless you try it you can not judge, and since you have tried it you can see that it works.
Maybe it is a little weak now but you can definitely build your ability up.
I assume after you got this hit (number 16) your mind was racing with excitement and you probably got the next few wrong? that is your logical mind(or ego mind as you call it) taking over again. You need to pause for several seconds, distract your mind and then repeat the process.
You seem to be open minded so I suggest you practice some more. In regard to substances I believe it really does not matter as long as you are aware and conscious enough to receive the vision.
What I am about to say is the magic formula to making this work.....
You must believe what you know will be correctand
You must believe what will be correct is what you knowIf you can master this simple idea you will level up much faster.
I do precognition before listening to this song. So I bet these numbers.
link:s://youtu.be/mDC_2zTrpbg
8-6-7-5-3-0-9. :o
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 21, 03:10 PM 2019
I do precognition before listening to this song. So I bet these numbers.
link:s://youtu.be/mDC_2zTrpbg
8-6-7-5-3-0-9. :o
:xd: Tough guys
PRECOGMILES - Yes, you should definitely train, thanks for the advice.
I will quote Timothy Leary.
''The educational system does not want you to expand your consciousness, live and feel the world directly. She does not need you to evolve and improve. She does not need you to move to higher levels of reality. She needs you to be serious about social games''
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It takes about quart to see far enough into the future to win. (About 18 to 20 seconds)
By the way, each time you look, you change it a little bit.
if you are losing stop. Do not rush and try to chase after your losses. You need to refocus.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 27, 05:50 PM 2019
if you are losing stop. Do not rush and try to chase after your losses. You need to refocus.
Can i ask, what is your preferred environment from which to work (focus)? Brick and mortar? Online?
Quote from: Still on Mar 28, 01:53 PM 2019
Can i ask, what is your preferred environment from which to work (focus)? Brick and mortar? Online?
The great thing about this ability is that it will work anywhere. All things being fair you should be able to preform better than chance.
Another tip
Have a stop loss. Always know when to stop digging your own grave.
If you are losing fast and wining slow, you are doing it wrong.
You must lose slow and win either fast or slow.
Always use the method, don’t get arrogant thinking it will work automatically without the method just because you got lucky a few times without using the method.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 28, 03:09 PM 2019
The great thing about this ability is that it will work anywhere. All things being fair you should be able to preform better than chance.
I once asked the Roulette Warrior (on YouTube) if this could be used on such things as financial markets, which will either go up in the next hour, down in the next hour, or stay the same. Was a long time ago. If memory serves, YES, it is possible to apply to such other events. But i can't remember exactly why he/they preferred to apply mainly just to roulette.
Possibly it could apply to Craps (dice), in which there are 12, rather than 37 outcomes? But with Craps/dice, with so much attention placed on the thrower/shooter, when would you find a moment to focus on the next number, then place bets, then throw the dice?
Quote from: Still on Mar 30, 01:09 PM 2019
I once asked the Roulette Warrior (on YouTube) if this could be used on such things as financial markets, which will either go up in the next hour, down in the next hour, or stay the same. Was a long time ago. If memory serves, YES, it is possible to apply to such other events. But i can't remember exactly why he/they preferred to apply mainly just to roulette.
Possibly it could apply to Craps (dice), in which there are 12, rather than 37 outcomes? But with Craps/dice, with so much attention placed on the thrower/shooter, when would you find a moment to focus on the next number, then place bets, then throw the dice?
I believe it is because the feedback for roulette is much higher. With markets you might have to wait for an hour or so.
With dice games you might want to look into joe gallenberger, he uses psychokinesis to achieve good results.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 31, 01:42 PM 2019With dice games you might want to look into joe gallenberger, he uses psychokinesis to achieve good results
If PK is a thing it could be used at Roulette much easier. Just bet on red or black, and move the ball one pocket at the very last moment. Less weight to move, closer to the object, and much easier to see what you have to do.
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 31, 01:55 PM 2019
If PK is a thing it could be used at Roulette much easier. Just bet on red or black, and move the ball one pocket at the very last moment. Less weight to move, closer to the object, and much easier to see what you have to do.
That’s a good strategy. Although I haven’t seen many people with the pk power to force a push like that.
It could be wheel dependent. For example on my wheel which is designed for easy roll and high scatter, very little effort needed to move the ball one way or the other when it is teetering, see pic. And like advantage play, one may only to be able to affect some spins. Nevertheless, enough to give a small edge!
Quote from: Firefox on Apr 01, 08:01 PM 2019
It could be wheel dependent. For example on my wheel which is designed for easy roll and high scatter, very little effort needed to move the ball one way or the other when it is teetering, see pic. And like advantage play, one may only to be able to affect some spins. Nevertheless, enough to give a small edge!
Interesting approach. I'm sure there are people out there doing this as we speak. One thing I have learnt is to never underestimate how powerful some individuals are when it comes to psychic abilities.
Tip on the nature of random.
(link:s://notes.tyrocity.com/wp-content/uploads/Vibration-in-the-stretched-string.jpg)
Red/Black
Dozens
Interesting read
link:s://:.researchgate.net/publication/323827428_A_Guide_for_OBE_Induction
Make sure your gut is clear and your heart pace is normal.
Crystal Countdown Meditation
link:s://lauriecabot1.bandcamp.com/track/crystal-countdown-meditation
Interesting classic
link:s://:.academia.edu/35909461/The_Psions_Handbook_Overview_of_Psionics_by_Sean_Connelly_a.k.a._Peabrain
You wrote great material there.
I wonder how to keep your mind clean in a casino environment?
Each number given just work for the next spin?
How to go into a peaceful mind between spin?
Thanks for dare to share all of it when most don't even believe.
Light may be with you. :)
Quote from: sunriseeveryday on Jan 14, 04:56 AM 2020
You wrote great material there.
I wonder how to keep your mind clean in a casino environment?
Each number given just work for the next spin?
How to go into a peaceful mind between spin?
Thanks for dare to share all of it when most don't even believe.
Light may be with you. :)
Thank you and the light be with you too.
I advice refocusing after every spin.
The key is to turn off the logical mind. Doubt is your biggest enemy and belief is your most powerful tool.
Doubt is dependent on the logical mind
Once you remove doubt , all that is left is belief.
What most people don’t understand is the relation between sleep and precognition.
Have you ever wondered why all animals sleep, even plants sleep?
Our materialist world view can not answer this basic question about sleeping and dreaming. We know all the elements and their properties, we have put a man on the moon but when it comes to something we do for a third of our lives we are clueless. We have no real answers regarding sleep.
Notice how your logical mind turns off when you are dreaming. The interesting thing is that our logical mind turns off and on many times throughout the day, we just don’t realise it.
You should not force your mind to be calm it won’t work, that is like trying to sleep while trying to sleep, it doesn’t work. It is only when you let go that you naturally fall asleep.
The same thing happens with the ego/logical mind. Find when you naturally turn your logical mind off. Things like imagination and day dreaming can help. There are many obe or hypnosis techniques that let you reach this state.
Have you ever found yourself gazing Into nowhere? Just staring and looking into space, no focus no attention no thoughts.
All of these techniques get you into the alpha state of mind. Similar to a day dream where your logical mind is turned off.
This is the theory, so practice this and you will eventually succeed.
Good luck!
Very nice guide thank you.
I'm playing online everyday now using precognition.
Amazing winning sessions alternate with totally losing ones.
The key is being able to attune with subconsciuos mind. When I can do it unbelievable hits happen.
Best sessions for me come after profound meditation. I must learn not to play every spin but only the ones wherein I "understood" the number crystal clear. When we miss it's simply our fault. The thing works for sure.
Quote from: Galabatov on Jan 15, 02:51 PM 2020
Very nice guide thank you.
I'm playing online everyday now using precognition.
Amazing winning sessions alternate with totally losing ones.
The key is being able to attune with subconsciuos mind. When I can do it unbelievable hits happen.
Best sessions for me come after profound meditation. I must learn not to play every spin but only the ones wherein I "understood" the number crystal clear. When we miss it's simply our fault. The thing works for sure.
That’s great. Practice is key. It may take months or years but it will work 100%.
You are correct about the profound meditation.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 15, 02:16 PM 2020
Thank you and the light be with you too.
I advice refocusing after every spin.
The key is to turn off the logical mind. Doubt is your biggest enemy and belief is your most powerful tool.
Doubt is dependent on the logical mind
Once you remove doubt , all that is left is belief.
What most people don’t understand is the relation between sleep and precognition.
Have you ever wondered why all animals sleep, even plants sleep?
Our materialist world view can not answer this basic question about sleeping and dreaming. We know all the elements and their properties, we have put a man on the moon but when it comes to something we do for a third of our lives we are clueless. We have no real answers regarding sleep.
Notice how your logical mind turns off when you are dreaming. The interesting thing is that our logical mind turns off and on many times throughout the day, we just don’t realise it.
You should not force your mind to be calm it won’t work, that is like trying to sleep while trying to sleep, it doesn’t work. It is only when you let go that you naturally fall asleep.
The same thing happens with the ego/logical mind. Find when you naturally turn your logical mind off. Things like imagination and day dreaming can help. There are many obe or hypnosis techniques that let you reach this state.
Have you ever found yourself gazing Into nowhere? Just staring and looking into space, no focus no attention no thoughts.
All of these techniques get you into the alpha state of mind. Similar to a day dream where your logical mind is turned off.
This is the theory, so practice this and you will eventually succeed.
Good luck!
Are you playing one number?
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 15, 02:59 PM 2020
Are you playing one number?
No I play about 4 or 5 numbers but refocus after every attempt.
But you say its not logical thinking so how you decide how many numbers to play?
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 15, 03:23 PM 2020
But you say its not logical thinking so how you decide how many numbers to play?
I feel the energy. I play what I feel most comfortable with. Sometimes I play 2, sometimes I play 6, sometimes 4, sometimes just 1.
But mostly 4 or 5 numbers. There was a time I would mostly play 6 and I hope to one day mostly play Either 2 or 1
And you are making good profit with that?
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 15, 03:28 PM 2020
And you are making good profit with that?
Yes, and so are the other precog pros. Read nowun’s thread.
Precog, I think it is best to stick posting at the appropriate forum section.
Let the system addicts do what they do. Like with most addiction, it cannot be helped with advice and reason.
Also I believe the best way to advertise this method is to play it consistently, enjoy it and share the good vibes and results.
Actions and results are louder than words.
Feel free to share your basic play ritual, do videos on it etc.
I think it is also a good idea to keep a long term MPR account and grind a few sessions now and then. In a few months daily practice time you can play 50k spins without much effort.
Consider it like a fun public service or experiment. It will make you feel good.
As soon as I get better I will do the same and practice a lot more and share my ideas.
Happy New Year btw.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jan 15, 05:34 PM 2020
Precog, I think it is best to stick posting at the appropriate forum section.
Let the system addicts do what they do. Like with most addiction, it cannot be helped with advice and reason.
Also I believe the best way to advertise this method is to play it consistently, enjoy it and share the good vibes and results.
Actions and results are louder than words.
Feel free to share your basic play ritual, do videos on it etc.
I think it is also a good idea to keep a long term MPR account and grind a few sessions now and then. In a few months daily practice time you can play 50k spins without much effort.
Consider it like a fun public service or experiment. It will make you feel good.
As soon as I get better I will do the same and practice a lot more and share my ideas.
Happy New Year btw.
Happy new year, I hope you have a wonderful 2020.
You’re right about the system players. I will never understand their mentality.
I don’t mind practicing on MPR, If it helps others see the reality of precognition. I mainly mix up my practice between Zener cards, playing cards and roulette.
Good luck, kairo wish you all the best.
link:://theconversation.com/the-science-of-why-so-many-people-believe-in-psychic-powers-102088
QuoteA recent report may help to shed some light on why people continue to believe in psychic powers. The study tested believers and sceptics with the same level of education and academic performance and found that people who believe in psychic powers think less analytically. This means that they tend to interpret the world from a subjective personal perspective and fail to consider information critically.
:thumbsup:
The writer is mostly speculative, inexperienced, and shortsighted.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 04:19 AM 2020
link:://theconversation.com/the-science-of-why-so-many-people-believe-in-psychic-powers-102088
:thumbsup:
QuoteMind reading and the ability to predict the future are not skills people generally associate with the human race.
Haha haha I had a good laugh reading that propaganda.
Literally every culture throughout history has believed in people with those skills, and many still do. Don't think your materialistic zombie mindset has anything to do with reality.
Go back to your high priests like Daniel Dennett who claims that consiouness is an illusion. Clearly this topic is way above your level of comprehension.
Zombie Joe, do you believe that consiouness is an illusion too?
I'm a reasonable person. And I understand why most people think areas like precognition are the thing of science-fiction. But I've seen and experienced enough to believe beyond any doubt many of these areas are real - but poorly understood and very undeveloped.
First meditation was a load of bullshit. Then research showed otherwise. A human can do way more than people think.
Precog/intuition is something that works. Everybody can do it. If you put effort in it. Just like you put effort in finding the HG.
Maybe i should make daily videos of a session. Just to show some proof. Yes some days i lose. But in the long run. I win.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 05:57 AM 2020Literally every culture throughout history has believed in people with those skills, and many still do. Don't think your materialistic zombie mindset has anything to do with reality.
So what? The fact that most or many people believe in something doesn't make it true. Another fallacy you like to indulge in is the straw man. You misrepresent my views and then attack the misrepresentations, but they are are not my views, so your criticisms are worthless. I've said before that I don't believe consciousness is an illusion, and I don't agree with Daniel Dennett or Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins.
You keep dodging the issue : where is the evidence that precog works? being at the top of the MPR leaderboard isn't proof, especially when you have only played a few hundred spins.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 08:14 AM 2020
So what? The fact that most or many people believe in something doesn't make it true. Another fallacy you like to indulge in is the straw man. You misrepresent my views and then attack the misrepresentations, but they are are not my views, so your criticisms are worthless. I've said before that I don't believe consciousness is an illusion, and I don't agree with Daniel Dennett or Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins.
You keep dodging the issue : where is the evidence that precog works? being at the top of the MPR leaderboard isn't proof, especially when you have only played a few hundred spins.
Ye the spins are to few, you are right
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 05:27 AM 2020
The writer is mostly speculative, inexperienced, and shortsighted.
There are two authors, and they are both senior academics in a high calibre university. Sorry Steve, but you don't know what you're talking about.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:36 AM 2020I'm a reasonable person. And I understand why most people think areas like precognition are the thing of science-fiction. But I've seen and experienced enough to believe beyond any doubt many of these areas are real - but poorly understood and very undeveloped.
The problem is that the vast majority of people don't know to do proper tests under controlled conditions. Everyone has had experience of remarkable coincidences, but actually what would be even more amazing is if they didn't happen at all. There are always more plausible explanations for these apparent phenomena, but because of cognitive biases, poor methodology, and lack of critical thinking, too many people are willing to believe them.
Precog says people have always believed in these 'powers', and he's right. But if they actually existed there would be SOME real evidence. But there isn't any. All cases of 'evidence' can be explained by other means, and NO rigorous tests have ever been passed, nor replicated. That's why the whole field is called
pseudoscience.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jan 16, 07:41 AM 2020
First meditation was a load of bullshit. Then research showed otherwise. A human can do way more than people think.
Precog/intuition is something that works. Everybody can do it. If you put effort in it. Just like you put effort in finding the HG.
Maybe i should make daily videos of a session. Just to show some proof. Yes some days i lose. But in the long run. I win.
100% agree. This is the reality that do many sceptics can't seem to get their heads around.
Good luck and hope you keep winning.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 08:14 AM 2020
So what? The fact that most or many people believe in something doesn't make it true. Another fallacy you like to indulge in is the straw man. You misrepresent my views and then attack the misrepresentations, but they are are not my views, so your criticisms are worthless. I've said before that I don't believe consciousness is an illusion, and I don't agree with Daniel Dennett or Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins.
You keep dodging the issue : where is the evidence that precog works? being at the top of the MPR leaderboard isn't proof, especially when you have only played a few hundred spins.
You claim to want evidence but believe it is not possible.
Can you not understand how contradictory that mentality is?
No amount of evidence will make the scientific community believe in paranormal events because it goes against the very philosophical foundations that science is built on.
Even if you practiced precog and got positive results you are not allowed to believe it is real. Simply because you believe in a materialist worldview.
This is why i say you have high priests.
Precognition and other psi events have been experienced and witnessed. This is the reality. We are not dealing with statistics, we are dealing with reality. Understand the order.
This is why I don't take sceptics seriously. You are sheep and very confused sheep at that. When your gods in lab coats give you permission and put a new name to this phenomena only then will you believe.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 08:32 AM 2020
Precog says people have always believed in these 'powers', and he's right. But if they actually existed there would be SOME real evidence. But there isn't any. All cases of 'evidence' can be explained by other means, and NO rigorous tests have ever been passed, nor replicated. That's why the whole field is called pseudoscience.
There is plenty of real evidence. But as I keep explaining to you. You as a sheep are not allowed to believe it. Your stance against psi activity is an ideological one, it has nothing to do with reality.
There is no room for precognition in today's science. Science is too steeped in old out dated philosophies such as empiricism and falsifiability for it to accept any psi phenomena.
When your gods allow you to think for yourself I can have a serious conversation with you. Until then please don't believe precog is real, while precogs continue to win.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 16, 08:18 AM 2020
Ye the spins are to few, you are right
How many spins do you want? 1000, 1 million?
Please don't ever believe precog is real.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 09:00 AM 2020You claim to want evidence but believe it is not possible.
Can you not understand how contradictory that mentality is?
Nope. Yes, scientists are skeptical about precog and other psychic powers because it would contradict laws which have been very thoroughly tested over hundreds of years and have countless applications which work reliably. But that doesn't mean they are closed-minded or that there isn't room for new theories. The scientific process is so successful because it has the attitude of doubt, not acceptance. You don't seem to realize what an anti-authoritarian stance it takes. Previous to science things were accepted on the basis of authority and tradition. Science says don't believe anything just because a lot of people do or some genius believes it. If the experiment doesn't agree with the hypothesis then the hypothesis is false, end of story.
The attitude of skepticism is part and parcel of science and is what make it so successful. It's not as though scientists haven't given psychics a fair chance to prove their powers over the years, but all attempts have failed.
And being a scientist doesn't mean you have to sign up to theories like Daniel Dennett & co. espouse; that's a rather extreme form of scientism.
You should read an account of someone who was genuinely open to the possibility of psychic powers and investigated claims for 25 years. I think you might recognize yourself in her story. It makes for an interesting read.
link:s://:.susanblackmore.uk/chapters/why-i-have-given-up/
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 08:32 AM 2020
The problem is that the vast majority of people don't know to do proper tests under controlled conditions
It is very difficult to test something in a controlled environment that requires a high level of calmness and focus. It's like trying to fall asleep on a stage in front of an audience.
Since no one believes that videos and articles are real, the only way to be sure is to try things yourself. The problem with that is it requires time, dedication, and an open mind.
Just try sitting in front of a wall, a blank computer screen or whatever with a clear mind, and with the aim of seeing the next roulette number. Your brain must be shut down, ideally you should not have any thoughts. After a while numbers should start appearing, disappearing, morphing into each other on the surface you are focusing on. I just tried and numbers still appearing in front of me even though I have not done it for over a year.
If it works for you, then you might believe that some people were able to take it to the next level with years of daily practice, and they are actually seeing real future numbers and not just imagining them.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 09:09 AM 2020There is plenty of real evidence.
Where? :xd:
You keep missing the point. It's not even as though I don't believe it because I personally can't do it. Maybe it's just a skill I don't have any aptitude for; not everyone is good at everything!
Even if just one person had demonstrated precognition consistently then I would be more open to it, but nobody has. All you have is unsubstantiated anecdotes. A bit like roulette systems really. At least we agree on that. ;D
Quote from: ati on Jan 16, 10:00 AM 2020I just tried and numbers still appearing in front of me even though I have not done it for over a year.
So why aren't you still doing it, if you were successful?
Do you know a guy called Wim Hof? He did something science never thought was posible. Now they have to rewrite all the books about that topic cause he proved he could do it and teach other to do it. You think science is the golden rule. It's not. Science does not know everything.
I dont even know why precogmiles is still trying to convince everybody. The people that give this a serious try know it works and make a living with it. Yes. Its that easy. Dedicate 6 months of all your spare time to this and you would be amazed by the results you're getting. 6 month? You know how little that is in a average human life? How many hour have you put into finding a system that works? A lot more i believe.
It not mine loss or precogmiles loss if you don't do it. Hard to believe but we don't care. We just wish you would try it out yourself and get the life you always wanted.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 09:56 AM 2020
Nope. Yes, scientists are skeptical about precog and other psychic powers because it would contradict laws which have been very thoroughly tested over hundreds of years and have countless applications which work reliably. But that doesn't mean they are closed-minded or that there isn't room for new theories. The scientific process is so successful because it has the attitude of doubt, not acceptance. You don't seem to realize what an anti-authoritarian stance it takes. Previous to science things were accepted on the basis of authority and tradition. Science says don't believe anything just because a lot of people do or some genius believes it. If the experiment doesn't agree with the hypothesis then the hypothesis is false, end of story.
You need to study the philosophy of science. Simply claiming science is successful it gives us "countless applications which work reliably" is typical of the propoganda your high priests have brainwash you into. You mistake engineering for science.
Modern sciencists have become economists. All they do is mathematics. If we look at simple facts then it shows precognition is real. Even when empirical data is presented to show that the effects of psi are real, modern scienctists dismiss it because it does not fit into their onotological worldview of materialism.
Bringing up people like susan blackmore just proves that you really have not read much into the subject. If susan blackmore starts to believe in psi again are you going to accept psi is real? Your approach to this whole subject is very confused.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to take it to the next level. I see numbers but after a year of trying I couldn't increase my accuracy. And since it takes a lot of time, you have to rely on a very small sample. You cannot do tens of thousands of spins and analyze the data to see how accurate you are. The focus can easily take up to half an hour before you make just one bet. Especially for beginners. Because guessing and hoping must be avoided, it's about "knowing" and being sure.
I know it all sounds BS, a couple years ago even I ridiculed those who believed in this.
The other reason I stopped is because I didn't like that I don't have to use my brain. As I mentioned these things work best if you are able to avoid having any thoughts. And I found it very boring after a while, staring into a candle flame or at a sheet of paper for hours every day, month after month.
I love to use my brain, and I believe in a certain "undiscovered" way of system play, so I focus on working on that instead. But if I fail with that, I will give this psychic way an other go.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jan 16, 10:39 AM 2020You think science is the golden rule. It's not. Science does not know everything.
This shows a complete misunderstanding of science which is very common, unfortunately. Science has come under attack because it's supposed to be arrogant, a 'know it all'. But science is not a book, like the bible, which contains 'truth', nor is it a body of high priests. It's just a method of learning about nature and the world. There's a lot of hypocrisy because those who criticize science are very quick to take advantage of its benefits. Let me tell you, you would not have enjoyed life so much if you had been born 500 years ago, or even 100 years ago. The only time to be alive which is better than today is tomorrow, at least in a material sense (granted, that isn't everything).
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 10:03 AM 2020Even if just one person had demonstrated precognition consistently then I would be more open to it, but nobody has.
In your opinion. Because, you have not done the research.
You have only done research into debunking psi. The difference between us is that I have looked at both sides of the argument.
Anyway, enjoy your ignorance. I really do not care.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 10:50 AM 2020You need to study the philosophy of science. Simply claiming science is successful it gives us "countless applications which work reliably" is typical of the propoganda your high priests have brainwash you into. You mistake engineering for science.
All modern technology, and medicine, is based on science. Engineering is just applied science.
QuoteModern sciencists have become economists. All they do is mathematics.
Nonsense. In some highly specialized fields like cosmology that is true, but I don't think it should be.
QuoteIf we look at simple facts then it shows precognition is real. Even when empirical data is presented to show that the effects of psi are real, modern scienctists dismiss it because it does not fit into their onotological worldview of materialism.
Where is the data which shows the effects of psi are real?
QuoteIf susan blackmore starts to believe in psi again are you going to accept psi is real? Your approach to this whole subject is very confused.
Susan Blackmore is an example of someone who was open to psi and investigated it for a long period, but was eventually forced to admit that it doesn't exist. Her story is a good illustration of how true believers can always explain away the lack of results and how they accuse those who are sincerely trying to find the truth of being close-minded and dogmatic. Sound familiar? ::)
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 11:10 AM 2020In your opinion. Because, you have not done the research.
I keep asking you for evidence and empirical data that psi works, and you keep failing to deliver. I wonder why? :xd:
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 11:06 AM 2020
This shows a complete misunderstanding of science which is very common, unfortunately. Science has come under attack because it's supposed to be arrogant, a 'know it all'. But science is not a book, like the bible, which contains 'truth', nor is it a body of high priests. It's just a method of learning about nature and the world. There's a lot of hypocrisy because those who criticize science are very quick to take advantage of its benefits. Let me tell you, you would not have enjoyed life so much if you had been born 500 years ago, or even 100 years ago. The only time to be alive which is better than today is tomorrow, at least in a material sense (granted, that isn't everything).
I think you misunderstand me... That's ok. English is not my native tongue and typing correct english is even harder.
I meant that science can change its statement. It's proven till disproven or proven otherwise. Look up wim hof. Nobody ever thought you could influence your immune system. Wim Has proven he can do. First they though, ok this is a freak of nature. But wim said he could teach everybody this skill and so he did. Now they have to rewrite all the books.
So even science has an open mind. That things are not proven does it makes it wrong or impossible.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 11:16 AM 2020Engineering is just applied science.
So Engineering was invented after the invention of the scientific method? Do you realise how confused you sound. This is why I keep stating that you have been brainwashed by your high priests.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 11:18 AM 2020nd you keep failing to deli
I can't take you seriously anymore. You are posting on a thread titled 'Guide and Info - How to do precognition' and you are asking me for evidence?
haha, this is beyond a joke.
For the millionth time. You are not allowed to believe precognition is real.
Precog nobody has evidence that precognition actually exists.Metaphysical phenomenon exists in different versions,but precognition is until now only a thing you can believe in.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 11:16 AM 2020Susan Blackmore is an example of someone who was open to psi and investigated it for a long period, but was eventually forced to admit that it doesn't exist. Her story is a good illustration of how true believers can always explain away the lack of results and how they accuse those who are sincerely trying to find the truth of being close-minded and dogmatic. Sound familiar? ::)
No! susan blackmore has not added anything of value to the conversion. All she has done is espouse the default dogmatic view against psi.
Have you done any research into susan blackmore other than a google search? have you read any of her books? have you watched her talks? have you compared her ideas against those of her critics? No? well the difference is I have.
If you are serious about this subject go do the research. Until then, keep behaving like a sheep.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 16, 11:42 AM 2020
Precog nobody has evidence that precognition actually exists.Metaphysical phenomenon exists in different versions,but precognition is until now only a thing you can believe in.
What Metaphysical phenomenon exists in different versions?
Dream (interpretation)
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 16, 11:57 AM 2020
Dream (interpretation)
So you believe in precognitive dreams?
No buts its a phenomenon that is kind of metaphysical but it exists,evidence of existing is there and people try to explain it with different methods
Quote from: RayManZ on Jan 16, 11:19 AM 2020So even science has an open mind. That things are not proven does it makes it wrong or impossible.
Yes of course, but there's no need to say 'even' science. Scientific knowledge is always evolving, it doesn't pretend to know THE truth. It creates models of the way the world works and periodically the model has to be changed or even thrown away because of new discoveries. e.g. For centuries Newton's model of the world was favored, but then Einstein showed it didn't work under some circumstances and a new model was proposed.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 11:31 AM 2020So Engineering was invented after the invention of the scientific method? Do you realise how confused you sound. This is why I keep stating that you have been brainwashed by your high priests.
I didn't say Engineering was invented after the scientific method. There you go again trying to put words in my mouth in order to score brownie points. I can't really blame you for that because you don't have any real arguments or data.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 12:25 PM 2020
I didn't say Engineering was invented after the scientific method. There you go again trying to put words in my mouth in order to score brownie points. I can't really blame you for that because you don't have any real arguments or data.
ok, if you say so. All I can say is go do the research. Just look at the amount of people on this thread who have experienced it for themselves. Are we all making it up? We were all skeptics, you don't need to give us lessons on being a skeptic.
Precognition is real and the evidence and data is available. If you are brainwashed into denying its existence I really don't care.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 12:25 PM 2020I didn't say Engineering was invented after the scientific method.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 11:16 AM 2020Engineering is just applied science.
logic?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 11:47 AM 2020Have you done any research into susan blackmore other than a google search? have you read any of her books? have you watched her talks? have you compared her ideas against those of her critics? No? well the difference is I have.
Yes to all questions. I saw her giving a talk last year at the philosophy festival in Hay-on-Wye.
QuoteNo? well the difference is I have
lol, there you go again. You're becoming a troll. ::)
Like I said, you have to set up experiments correctly so that they really do test what you want to test. It's not that easy.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=F3YWCJsXKjw
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 12:33 PM 2020logic?
ok, engineering is applied applied science. ;D
Any more nit-picking? I guess it distracts from the lack of evidence for precog. :xd:
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 12:41 PM 2020
Like I said, you have to set up experiments correctly so that they really do test what you want to test. It's not that easy.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=F3YWCJsXKjw
Wow, now it makes sense. Susan blackmore and Joe the skeptic have convinced me that precognition is just all in my imagination. All these tests of me getting above average on demand are just lucky guesses.
Why didn't I realise this from the start. Clever little joe and susan. Who would have known it?
haha. These materialist zombies make me laugh.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 12:50 PM 2020
lack of evidence for precog. :xd:
:lol: :lol: :lol: in a thread titled 'Guide and Info - How to do precognition' :lol: :lol: :lol:
:twisted:
Still waiting for REAL evidence. And MPR doesn't even measure statistical significance. There are some players lower down the list who have a higher score than you.
For example, user Remmus at 235 has a score of 1.626, and Steve at 440 has a score of 2.7418. Can someone explain how the scoring works? I guess it's related to the number of spins played.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 16, 01:35 PM 2020in a thread titled 'Guide and Info
It should be Guide and Info, but no evidence.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 01:39 PM 2020
Still waiting for REAL evidence. And MPR doesn't even measure statistical significance. There are some players lower down the list who have a higher score than you.
For example, user Remmus at 235 has a score of 1.626, and Steve at 440 has a score of 2.7418. Can someone explain how the scoring works? I guess it's related to the number of spins played.
Good for you. Believe what you want. Infact, don't ever believe precognition is real.
This thread is for those who want help with developing precognition.
Whether Joe the skeptic believes in precog or not will not change the fact a player by the name of intuitive is first and a player by the name of precognition is 4th out of 500+ players. Your opinion is irrelevant in regards to MPR.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 01:40 PM 2020
It should be Guide and Info, but no evidence.
All this talk about evidence and you haven't yet told us what evidence actually is.
Precog has a high ranking on MPR as well some other place and thats not evidence?
So kindly explain what is evidence and perhaps tell us the difference between that and proof.
Is there some place your idea of evidence can be ranked like Precogs results are?
Meanwhile, have you seen the gold pens the speaker of the house handed out to the managers of the upcoming impeachment? They're awesome! Gold pens! Not just evidence. Actual gold!
Joe, the name of this thread is "Guide and Info - How to do precognition".
Why are you trashing it with your close minded materialist worldview?
It doesn't make sense to you precisely because your worldview assumes there is an external physical reality - which is a concept, not a fact. The linear mind cannot unfurl all of reality in a linear way. Because the linear mind is finite but reality is infinite. Reality is not collection of causes and effects, as science likes to assume.
What you're taking for granted is how much the materialist paradigm blinds you and your scientists. You cannot do an honest investigation into anything which your paradigm assumes as impossible from the outset.
The issue with science is that it refuses to take seriously its implicit metaphysical assumptions. Science says, "Assumptions? What assumptions? Metaphysics? What metaphysics? We don't do any of that. We fairly investigate all of reality." No! You don't fairly investigate all of reality, you only investigate the stuff you think is real and only using the methodologies which agree with your existing paradigm. That is not objective, that's highly biased.
To do science properly, one would have to have zero methodological preferences. Your methods and metaphysics literally limit what you can discover. You cannot discover a thing which you hold to be impossible. In such a case, the mind will just dismiss the discovery away by saying something like, "Oh, well, that's just a hallucination. It's just taking place inside a brain, so that doesn't count."
I am not merely speaking about scientists not living up to some impossible ideal. I am making a point about a deep epistemic ignorance which permeates not only science but all human systems of knowledge. People do not realize how problematic their paradigms are.
Precognition is just the tip of the iceberg of what is out there.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 16, 01:40 PM 2020
It should be Guide and Info, but no evidence.
it will work, but takes lot of time of course. Not BS. Thats sure.
Quote from: Still on Jan 16, 05:17 PM 2020Precog has a high ranking on MPR as well some other place and thats not evidence?
So kindly explain what is evidence and perhaps tell us the difference between that and proof.
Is there some place your idea of evidence can be ranked like Precogs results are?
Good questions, Still. Precog's high ranking on MPR doesn't mean much; it doesn't even tell us that his results are any better than random, let alone whether he's achieved those results using precognition, as opposed to just guessing or using a system.
I don't know how the rankings are measured and calculated, but they don't give us any measure of statistical significance such as are used in the sciences to make inferences. A more useful ranking would be based on standard deviation, or some other commonly used statistical test. There is actually a site where you can test your precog ability (scroll down to the bottom of the page where it tells you about how the results are calculated)
link:s://psychicscience.org/prechamp
And another reason to be sceptical is that precogmiles has several accounts. Why? if he has real precog ability surely one is enough. Obviously if you have multiple accounts your chances of getting near the top of the leaderboard is greater than if you only have one, so it seems like he's hedging his bets.
And lastly, this isn't a 'controlled' experiment, because it isn't specifically testing for precognition, or at least, we don't know whether he's using precognition or a system. And that brings up another point : he says systems don't work, but MPR players who use systems have gotten to the top of the leaderboard. He says 'look! I'm at the top of the leaderboard, therefore precognition works!', but he would deny that a system player who has gotten to the top had done so because of the system (he would say it's just luck). That would be a case of double standards, don't you think?
Quote from: winforus on Jan 16, 08:51 PM 2020
Joe, the name of this thread is "Guide and Info - How to do precognition".
Why are you trashing it with your close minded materialist worldview?
It doesn't make sense to you precisely because your worldview assumes there is an external physical reality - which is a concept, not a fact. The linear mind cannot unfurl all of reality in a linear way. Because the linear mind is finite but reality is infinite. Reality is not collection of causes and effects, as science likes to assume.
So I guess you're just playing roulette for the fun of it then? If there is no physical external reality then you don't need money to pay the rent for an imaginary house, or to pay for imaginary food to put in your imaginary stomach.
And of course when it comes to the question of HOW you know there is no external reality, or that it is infinite, you have no answer, do you? We just have to take your word for it. But why should we?
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What you're taking for granted is how much the materialist paradigm blinds you and your scientists. You cannot do an honest investigation into anything which your paradigm assumes as impossible from the outset.
Everyone has preconceptions and assumptions, they can't be avoided. But that need not limit the scope of investigations. What science can't do though is test something which cannot be tested. For example, you say there is no external reality. How can this be tested? It can't, so you have to fall back on mysticism. Precognition, though, can be tested, because it makes predictions about the (imaginary!) external 'reality'. Therefore we can track the successes and failures of these predictions and compare them to what would happen just by chance.
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The issue with science is that it refuses to take seriously its implicit metaphysical assumptions. Science says, "Assumptions? What assumptions? Metaphysics? What metaphysics? We don't do any of that. We fairly investigate all of reality." No! You don't fairly investigate all of reality, you only investigate the stuff you think is real and only using the methodologies which agree with your existing paradigm. That is not objective, that's highly biased.
How would you suggest we investigate the claim that there is no external reality? I'd really like some help with this because I don't see any solution. You talk about being objective, but being objective depends on there being an external reality - something we can all agree about. But you deny this, so how can there be any objectivity in YOUR philosophy? There isn't any, because it's all subjective.
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To do science properly, one would have to have zero methodological preferences. Your methods and metaphysics literally limit what you can discover. You cannot discover a thing which you hold to be impossible. In such a case, the mind will just dismiss the discovery away by saying something like, "Oh, well, that's just a hallucination. It's just taking place inside a brain, so that doesn't count."
It doesn't make sense to say there should be zero methodological preferences. There has to be some method to investigating reality, otherwise you won't know whether you have discovered anything. And if you believe that there is no external reality, what is there to investigate anyway? You CAN have a hypothesis about something you believe to be impossible, and if it passes the reality test - ie observations of the (imaginary!) external world confirm it - then you should change your mind. That's admittedly hard to do sometimes, but that's not the fault of the scientific method.
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I am not merely speaking about scientists not living up to some impossible ideal. I am making a point about a deep epistemic ignorance which permeates not only science but all human systems of knowledge. People do not realize how problematic their paradigms are.
Again, how do you know all this? The problem with you new age types is that you can never support your assertions with evidence, because you deny that there is such a world which can provide it! You don't seem to grasp the absurd consequences of your position. Your arguments are always perfectly circular and amount to saying that 'it's true because it's true'. Or worse : 'it's true because I say so'. In other words, totalitarianism. ;)
Joe, I know this because I have put in a lot of time into studying and investigating this stuff.
This is not something that can be proven with "evidence" that you are demanding, due to the reasons that I already I wrote above. You don't need to take my word for it, you need to investigate it yourself.
As I mentioned to you in the past, you can start off by doing deep self-inquiry, along with meditation (properly). You can also take a strong psychedelic like DMT, which could speed up the process.
If you are interested in Truth in more than anything else, you will find out. If you care more about arguing/defending your position, and debating, then you won't. I understand your current position very well, because I used to be in the same place as you are now. The same materialist view, trying to debate "new agers" with their "pseudo science".
Either investigate it or leave this alone - but don't sit here demanding evidence when you are not willing to put in the work or time into this.
Some interesting videos for those who understand russian.
Quote from: winforus on Jan 18, 06:39 AM 2020I used to be in the same place as you are now.
Ditto. I came around to the 'materialist' viewpoint eventually (I grew up). And actually I'm not a materialist but a realist. Arguing and debating is useful because it makes you think, but you can't convince anyone to think if they don't want to, so I'll leave it there.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 18, 02:53 AM 2020link:s://psychicscience.org/prechamp
Do you even look at what you post? and you claim to be 'rational' and sceptical?
On the same link you just gave scroll down and look at the 'Precognition Championship Top Scores' table.
Tim K has a z score well above chance on multiple occasions.
And again on the same site...
link:s://psychicscience.org/esp2
ESP Championship (zener cards), look at the Top Scores table. Tim K scores high again on a seperate tests.
Do you think or are you just a 'doubter' to pretend you have a high IQ?
Now watch Joe claim those tests are not valid because it does not suit his zombie skeptical mentality.
Sure, he has multiple high scores. Does that prove precognition? Just this one guy on a web site? You have to be more rigorous than that. I wouldn't dismiss it but it needs further investigation. For instance, we don't know how many times this guy Tim K has taken the test; keep trying and you're going to get a high score eventually just by chance! And again, maybe he was using a system or intuition (which isn't the same as precognition). The staring test is basically a coin flip, just like playing Baccarat. I personally quite often get into the 4th Standard deviation playing roulette even chances.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 18, 07:28 AM 2020Now watch Joe claim those tests are not valid because it does not suit his zombie skeptical mentality.
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Quote from: Joe on Jan 18, 09:52 AM 2020
Sure, he has multiple high scores. Does that prove precognition? Just this one guy on a web site? You have to be more rigorous than that. I wouldn't dismiss it but it needs further investigation. For instance, we don't know how many times this guy Tim K has taken the test; keep trying and you're going to get a high score eventually just by chance! And again, maybe he was using a system or intuition (which isn't the same as precognition). The staring test is basically a coin flip, just like playing Baccarat. I personally quite often get into the 4th Standard deviation playing roulette even chances.
So you asked me to prove it on a test you believed does not prove anything. You are clearly being disengenous.
You are blind to your own ideological bias.
Or maybe you are just a sheep waiting for your high priests to give you permission to believe in precognition. Until then, you will continue be a valiant foot solider in their cult of materialism.
precog, I have given you good reasons for why it's far too hasty to conclude that precognition exists because Tim K has got high standard deviation scores (which by the way, are still within the range of randomness). It's not my idealogical bias which is at work, it's best practice statistical inference. If anyone has an idealogical bias, it seems to be you. You seem incapable of even conceding that your results could be anything other than precognition, perhaps because you're committed to a whole load of other 'new age' baggage which goes along with it.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 18, 10:29 AM 2020
Tim K has got high standard deviation scores (which by the way, are still within the range of randomness).
Ok let us put the EC/staring test one side.
For .. link:s://psychicscience.org/esp2
scored twice24/50 (score) 4.7730(z score) 0.0000018(p-value)
So how many tests would Tim K have needed to do to get that results by chance?
And remember each test takes roughly atleast 1 min 20 seconds to do.
8 people in this thread know this works, but clever little joe is going to teach us about statistics. This angsty skeptical nonsense is why I call you a sheep.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 18, 11:06 AM 2020So how many tests would Tim K have needed to do to get that results by chance?
It doesn't matter whether you're being tested on even chance or higher odds; standard deviation is 'standardized', meaning it has the same meaning whatever the odds.
But I'll grant you that 4.77 is very good, the corresponding probability is over 1 in a million. Of course that doesn't mean that you would have to take the test 1 million times before you got a score like that, just as the probability of 1/37 doesn't mean your number won't hit until the 37th spin. Due to variance, your number could hit on the very first spin, or 500 spins later.
However, the fact that Tim K has achieved those scores multiple times has definitely piqued my interest, and perhaps I should take winforus' advice and find out for myself whether there really is anything to this precog stuff. I'm still sceptical, but I'll give it another try. I did try it for a couple of weeks and got no significant results, but I guess I should give it longer this time.
I found this site : link:s://thepremonitioncode.com/tester/
It has a training regime and you can take tests, and the owner does have some scientific training, although there aren't any participants in the 'Hall of Fame' yet. link:s://thepremonitioncode.com/tester/hof.php (you might have to register at the site before you see that page).
See, I'm not as closed-minded as you think. ;D
I'll give it a few months and report back. Anyone read her book?
link:s://:.amazon.co.uk/Premonition-Code-Science-Precognition-Sensing/dp/1786781611/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=5T9WJS4JA512PH5SWB43
Quote from: Joe on Jan 18, 01:19 PM 2020
It doesn't matter whether you're being tested on even chance or higher odds; standard deviation is 'standardized', meaning it has the same meaning whatever the odds.
But I'll grant you that 4.77 is very good, the corresponding probability is over 1 in a million. Of course that doesn't mean that you would have to take the test 1 million times before you got a score like that, just as the probability of 1/37 doesn't mean your number won't hit until the 37th spin. Due to variance, your number could hit on the very first spin, or 500 spins later.
However, the fact that Tim K has achieved those scores multiple times has definitely piqued my interest, and perhaps I should take winforus' advice and find out for myself whether there really is anything to this precog stuff. I'm still sceptical, but I'll give it another try. I did try it for a couple of weeks and got no significant results, but I guess I should give it longer this time.
I found this site : link:s://thepremonitioncode.com/tester/
It has a training regime and you can take tests, and the owner does have some scientific training, although there aren't any participants in the 'Hall of Fame' yet. link:s://thepremonitioncode.com/tester/hof.php (you might have to register at the site before you see that page).
See, I'm not as closed-minded as you think. ;D
I'll give it a few months and report back. Anyone read her book?
link:s://:.amazon.co.uk/Premonition-Code-Science-Precognition-Sensing/dp/1786781611/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=5T9WJS4JA512PH5SWB43
Yes, she is an interesting researcher, she also has a youtube channel. link:s://:.youtube.com/user/choosejoy69/videos
I found this talk by her very interesting;
Good luck with it!
It seems taotie has debunked me. According to taotie I cant do precognition so everything in this guide is nonsense.
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A true precog pro can win and lose on demand.
Those who look hungry are never get feed.
You have to be open and receptive state, but if your mind fixated on a conscious demand to be prove something, then it is unlikely to lead to a winning guessing.
You have to set your intention, then become reasonably deteached from it in order to attract a winning opportunity. When you attracted the winning opportunity you just know it inside with a certainty.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Feb 15, 01:25 PM 2020
Those who look hungry are never get feed.
You have to be open and receptive state, but if your mind fixated on a conscious demand to be prove something, then it is unlikely to lead to a winning guessing.
You have to set your intention, then become reasonably deteached from it in order to attract a winning opportunity. When you attracted the winning opportunity you just know it inside with a certainty.
Do you feel you are getting better?
I don't feel the incentive to play these days, so there is no point in forcing it to lose.
I cannot win on external demand as I am not a professional per your definition.
Having said that I think I am reasonably good at this without a constant need to practice.
What you need is experience to know for yourself what works.
When I get the feeling to play I know I can and will win.
My latest interest is in experimenting with dowsing Gizmo's Reading Random patterns to establish if they are in a working state or not.
I have a dowsing rod somewhere. I need to play with it.
Do you have any suggestions on how to use it or ideas?
I am total newbie with it.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Feb 15, 02:36 PM 2020Do you have any suggestions on how to use it or ideas?
How about this : write out the roulette numbers, by wheel order (ie 0, 28, 9, 26, 30, 11...) on a strip of paper using a large font so they are in a straight horizontal line and facing you. Then get your dowsing rod to point to the number which will come up next. Whatever number it points to you can bet it and 2 or 3 numbers either side. You could also use a pendulum the same way.
That could work for some. Actually it is a decent idea.
I remember my parents used to measure blood pressure with a ruler and a pendulum when I was a child.
When they double checked with a proper device they got the same results.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Feb 15, 02:36 PM 2020
I have a dowsing rod somewhere. I need to play with it.
Do you have any suggestions on how to use it or ideas?
I am total newbie with it.
From my understanding the core of dowsing is just energy work. This means you do not NEED to use tools for it to work. I would suggest using a form of finger dowsing or deviceless dowsing.
I have personally been practising mental dowsing similar to this.
When at the casino you can't really use pendulums or dowsing rods. So it is definitely worth trying alternatives.
Good Luck.
Very good points. I prefer to play from the comfort of my home.
I think in a land base casino the cameras could easily spot your attempt on hipnotizing and fingering the female dealers that would count as sexual harassment :twisted:
By the way I just got the idea to use the tongue inside your mouth as a promising alternative.
Just slide the tip of your tongue at the roof of your mouth.
When you get an itchy sensation that could be used as a signal.
Wow that is genius. Thanks for the inspiration!
Quote from: Kairomancer on Feb 15, 04:05 PM 2020
Just slide the tip of your tongue at the roof of your mouth.
When you get an itchy sensation that could be used as a signal.
Wow that is genius. Thanks for the inspiration!
Good luck with it!! :thumbsup:
The all is one. You are the one.
You existed and grew a body.
You were born and then your body grew an ego.
You are not your body or your ego.
The seed can not exist without the Sun.
Everything is one and together.
When you meditate, know you are one with everything. Know it with completely certainty.
Get into an alpha or theta state.
Stress in the body creates noise
Stress in the mind creates doubt
Fear creates stress in your body.
Logic is the swamp that harbours fear and doubt.
Be like the lotus that grows from the swamp.
To blossom like the lotus flower you must first find the original source, which is the soil.
Do not desire to be the flower you must simply be one with the soil. Be one with all.
Once you master being one with all, your personal growth will being.
You will do without doing.
Just like when you sleep. The harder someone tries to fall asleep the harder it becomes. You must learn to let go.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 28, 08:37 PM 2020
The all is one. You are the one.
You existed and grew a body.
You were born and then your body grew an ego.
You are not your body or your ego.
The seed can not exist without the Sun.
Everything is one and together.
When you meditate, know you are one with everything. Know it with completely certainty.
Get into an alpha or theta state.
Stress in the body creates noise
Stress in the mind creates doubt
Fear creates stress in your body.
Logic is the swamp that harbours fear and doubt.
Be like the lotus that grows from the swamp.
To blossom like the lotus flower you must first find the original source, which is the soil.
Do not desire to be the flower you must simply be one with the soil. Be one with all.
Once you master being one with all, your personal growth will being.
You will do without doing.
Just like when you sleep. The harder someone tries to fall asleep the harder it becomes. You must learn to let go.
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Hes actually correct, but i wouldn't personally explain it like that or people easily dismiss it as hippie-talk.
Don't chew. Keep body still.
i just suggested over at Roulettelife.com that meditation was the way to beat roulette. And a member suggested that using meditative practices or spiritual development to beat roulette would incur bad karma on oneself and to not use it. (maybe a Casino disinformation agent?)
I mean if you were strictly selfish in the en-devour, i suppose so, "like using the dark side of the force" but meditation IS the key, THE HOLY GRAIL...to beat roulette, I mean it is key to beat life, let alone roulette. . Anyways. I appreciate you precog. and your postings. Keep up the great work.
If we can grow spiritually, even if Roulette is our motivation then why not? It is still development, it is still evolution.
"Meditation is the highest activity one can do"
-Paramahansa Yogananda
Thank you pregog. My only aim is to use Roulette as a tool for financial income so that i might use all of my time for spiritual development. I look forward to researching your work.
Quote from: Sunburstsoon on Apr 18, 07:57 PM 2020
i just suggested over at Roulettelife.com that meditation was the way to beat roulette. And a member suggested that using meditative practices or spiritual development to beat roulette would incur bad karma on oneself and to not use it. (maybe a Casino disinformation agent?)
I mean if you were strictly selfish in the en-devour, i suppose so, "like using the dark side of the force" but meditation IS the key, THE HOLY GRAIL...to beat roulette, I mean it is key to beat life, let alone roulette. . Anyways. I appreciate you precog. and your postings. Keep up the great work.
If we can grow spiritually, even if Roulette is our motivation then why not? It is still development, it is still evolution.
"Meditation is the highest activity one can do"
-Paramahansa Yogananda
I wouldn't worry about that. Money is just a tool, it has no intrinsic value other than how you use it.
I have learnt many wonderful ideas that have enriched my outlook and view of the world, while using roulette as my vehicle.
I think winning money by playing roulette went further and further down the importance level as I found new perspective on reality.
And thanks for the kind words. Good luck on your journey.
During my years of research the subject of variance has always been on my mind.
When I train it is sometimes troubling when a losing streak occurs, first come the doubts then eventually an understanding emerges from the doubt.
The understanding is that unlike systems precognition is a skill. off days and bad days always occur when under taking any attempt at learning a new skill.
The best thing to do is to learn from your mistakes, and keep improving.
The worry that variance is just around the corner should not worry you. Notice when you have the bad losing streaks. What was your energy level like? Are you tired? Hungry? Stressed? Fatigued? Playing too long?
There are many factors that can make you lose. Since the prefect precognition method is to flat bet on just one number and win within a spin or two. It is obvious we will lose sometimes. Take the losses with the wins, do not despair.
Precog can be a difficult idea to come to terms with and it can sometimes be easier to doubt and give up but the reality is that it does give you above average results.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 08, 11:20 AM 2020The understanding is that unlike systems precognition is a skill.
So, using systems based on when things are or aren't working and having the ability to see this isn't a skill?
Are you diminishing system players? If so, wouldn’t it be hypocritical for a spiritualist (anti-materialist) to diminish anyone or their ideas? You would think spiritualists and religions people are humble in knowing that they do not know all.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 16, 05:36 PM 2020Open minded does not mean 1+1 =3
And you can't teleport to your grandmother's bathroom. I don't know the logic to this, but by your standards I guess random facts of things that aren't so somehow prove you can't use your method to beat roulette.
Quote from: pepper on Jun 17, 01:46 PM 2020Precogmiles, open-mindedness means 1+1 can equal 3.
1 twin pack of precognition junkies + 1 pack of system junkies = 3 packs of junkies
Quote from: pepper on Jul 08, 11:32 AM 2020
So, using systems based on when things are or aren't working and having the ability to see this isn't a skill?
Are you diminishing system players? If so, wouldn’t it be hypocritical for a spiritualist (anti-materialist) to diminish anyone or their ideas? You would think spiritualists and religions people are humble in knowing that they do not know all.
Spiritualist? Religious?
Do you understand what materialism is?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 08, 01:05 PM 2020Do you understand what materialism is?
It could be a specialized form of religion. It's got that "ism" tag on the end. I know what materialistic means. People can get all caught up on thinking that they need all kinds of things in order to make them happy. But if they got everything that they thought they needed they would still not be happy. It's that always looking at the next thing that screws them up. They are unhappy until they get that next thing. I love that line in a song way back, "a baby's arm holding an apple." You just have to have that. People are bombarded daily with images of things that are sold on TV and billboards ads that imply happiness or stature. Suckers. Materialism could be a religion of self denial and states of selflessness. But you can get trapped into coveting that too. I am the most selfless and holy example of separation from material needs that there can be and yet remain alive. It's somewhat Hindouesque. I don't buy it. It's not enough. But it is a good start. The trick is to be happy to start with.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 08, 01:05 PM 2020Spiritualist? Religious?
Do you understand what materialism is?
I originally thought you meant materialism in the sense of clinging onto things, like possessions, and avoiding the spiritual, i.e., placing a higher value of possessions over the spiritual. Now, I see you mean it as in the philosophical sense.
Materialism (in its philosophical sense): all things are results of material things, like matter. Mind and consciousness are by-products of material processes. It is pretty much the belief that matter comes before consciousness and is its foundation. Now, that I've seen this, I don't think it really matters what someone believes came first (matter vs. consciousness) or what actually came first; maybe they both happened at the same time or some quantum madness happens, like they both happened before each other. Imo, it just matters if you can actually use consciousness and possessions to your advantage. If you believe in God, did His form/body come first or His thoughts or maybe they both happened at the same time? I don't think it really matters.
I don't see how you can degrade anyone who is a materialist. What does it matter if consciousness or matter came first? How would their belief in what happened first define them in any meaningful way? Perhaps you assume they place possessions and material over the spirit? Do they? If this is your thought process, then my original thoughts on what I thought you meant as materials are valid.
I originally thought materialism was placing possessions over the spirit. I wasn't far off. As you can see, these ideas can overlap, because one who believes matter was first and is the foundation of consciousness might place matter and possessions over spiritual ideas/consciousness.
Quote from: pepper on Jul 08, 05:09 PM 2020If you believe in God, did His form/body come first or His thoughts or maybe they both happened at the same time? I don't think it really matters.
Those that don't believe in a supreme creator won't care about this. But those that read about the nature of that supreme creator have found at least that God is omnipresent. That implies everywhere at the same time. But if you read deeper it also says that God is omni time. That means that God sees all things from all times.
He knew you before the foundations of the earth. That means he knew everything you would do and experience before the big bang thru granite dust throughout the universe and formed the sun and solar system. That is why prophesy is completely as easy for Him as telling any jackass to say something to the other ding dongs. That's the science of the nature of a being that most of you have no desire to know because it can't possibly be true. I like this too. I'm surrounded by death defying crash test dummies that are sure of everything. Being an asshole for me is fun. You guys think I'm crazy to claim a relationship with a supreme creator.
The only evidence I have is that the Holy Spirit that was made to dwell within me does so. That's no evidence at all. So I have no way to convince anyone. I can't even convince for Reading Randomness. The world is just a place of comedic characters that just want to sucker you into letting them control you. It always happens that way, war after bloody war. You just have to laugh so that you won't go crazy. It's happening again. the USA is becoming Communistic. It will follow the path of other totalitarian Fascisms. It will run out of other people's money and then expand it's borders to get their money. That's what it does if it is powerful enough.
You can't be dumb enough to believe that a ubiquitous and simultaneous transformation to full out global socialist communism is going to solve everything with it's universal money for everyone trick. You have to be exploited for that to even work for two decades at most. I think it's funny as hell itself. You get to work on the beet farm to provide me with Social Security checks while knowing that the BS sold to you by these elitist commies will never be there for you. HAHAHA, eat shlt and die. Not very Christian Hugh? Who ever said life is fair?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 09, 10:23 AM 2020
Those that don't believe in a supreme creator won't care about this. But those that read about the nature of that supreme creator have found at least that God is omnipresent. That implies everywhere at the same time. But if you read deeper it also says that God is omni time. That means that God sees all things from all times.
He knew you before the foundations of the earth. That means he knew everything you would do and experience before the big bang thru granite dust throughout the universe and formed the sun and solar system. That is why prophesy is completely as easy for Him as telling any jackass to say something to the other ding dongs. That's the science of the nature of a being that most of you have no desire to know because it can't possibly be true. I like this too. I'm surrounded by death defying crash test dummies that are sure of everything. Being an asshole for me is fun. You guys think I'm crazy to claim a relationship with a supreme creator.
The only evidence I have is that the Holy Spirit that was made to dwell within me does so. That's no evidence at all. So I have no way to convince anyone. I can't even convince for Reading Randomness. The world is just a place of comedic characters that just want to sucker you into letting them control you. It always happens that way, war after bloody war. You just have to laugh so that you won't go crazy. It's happening again. the USA is becoming Communistic. It will follow the path of other totalitarian Fascisms. It will run out of other people's money and then expand it's borders to get their money. That's what it does if it is powerful enough.
You can't be dumb enough to believe that a ubiquitous and simultaneous transformation to full out global socialist communism is going to solve everything with it's universal money for everyone trick. You have to be exploited for that to even work for two decades at most. I think it's funny as hell itself. You get to work on the beet farm to provide me with Social Security checks while knowing that the BS sold to you by these elitist commies will never be there for you. HAHAHA, eat shlt and die. Not very Christian Hugh? Who ever said life is fair?
Ok. I was just starting to be on the level w/ you but the cuckoo God talk set you back. Easy on the meds or don't forget to take your meds, whichever applies.
Quote from: Moxy on Jul 09, 08:08 PM 2020Ok. I was just starting to be on the level w/ you but the cuckoo God talk set you back. Easy on the meds or don't forget to take your meds, whichever applies.
To my perspective it is you that are set back. When you get to that "pearly gate" take a pill, you are going to be massively ill.
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So true.
Practice practice practice
link:s://youtu.be/hOTx3cpzWF4
The impossible becomes possible through practice
link:s://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 27, 07:22 PM 2020
The impossible becomes possible through practice
link:s://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E
You can't practice systems betting to make independent and unbiased spins to be predictable.
That's the true impossible. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Sep 27, 07:55 PM 2020
You can't practice systems betting to make independent and unbiased spins to be predictable.
That's the true impossible. :thumbsup:
Hi, CHT, Still looking at your Bets:
2 on 18#s = 70 -34 -1 =35 units
1 on Zero = 35 -36 = -1 unit
18#s = -37 units
Betting 4 on 9 Splits &
Betting 6 on 6 Streets &
Betting 12 on 3 Lines
all equal 35 units, faster ways of getting the Bet up. But you said you average 18 Bets.
An interesting video, especially the first parts about thought.
link:s://youtu.be/Bk1qCh2hWmg