Hey guys heres an interesting bet selection using triggers and a matrix. Theres some nice concepts involved like vdw/birthday paradox/cycles but i wont get into any of that lingo to avoid confusion.
Rules
1.write down 13 spins of double street (this rule isnt written in stone, you can do more for better results but i like 13)
2.Make groups of 3 using the vdw concept(ill give example below)
3.Now as each spin comes out you will see the first 2 numbers and based of this you will play for a repeat of a previous result. (ill give example)
4. On a loss you continue with the next spin. On a win you go back and start over using the last 3 spin results as spins 123
Bankroll Rules
1.End game when you are +1
2.After you lose 5 units you need to go up 1 unit on each number to end at +1
3.If you lose the game after 13 spins continue same progression to end the next game at +1
Rule for 0 - (its not recorded in results only double street)
1. you can add .25 units to zero each time you place a bet and once your at -1(4 losses)....you can add it to your progression
or
2. just ignore the 0 and take the loss and add it to your progression
Heres how to record the spin results
Spin 1
Spin 2
Spin 3
Spin 4
Spin 5
Spin 6
Spin 7
Spin 8
Spin 9
Spin 10
Spin 11
Spin 12
Spin 13
Groups of 3
1-2-3
2-3-4
3-4-5 1-3-5
4-5-6 2-4-6
5-6-7 3-5-7 1-4-7
6-7-8 4-6-8 2-5-8
7-8-9 5-7-9 3-6-9 1-5-9
8-9-10 6-8-10 4-7-10 2-6-10
9-10-11 7-9-11 5-8-11 3-7-11 1-6-11
10-11-12 8-10-12 6-9-12 4-8-12 2-7-12
11-12-13 9-11-13 7-10-13 5-9-13 3-8-13 1-7-13
Example 1
Spin# R DS
Spin 1 35 6
Spin 2 3 1 spins DS
Spin 3 2 1 123 611
Spin 4 234 11
SO group 234 is next possible play but spin 4 there is no play because spin2 and spin 3 start with 11.....spin 1 and spin 2 start with 61....so no possible repeat. So no play!
Next spin
Spin# R DS
Spin 1 35 6
Spin 2 3 1 spins DS
Spin 3 2 1 123 611
Spin 4 27 5 234 115 Spins
Spin 5 345 15 135 61
Next possible play is group 345 and 135.........spins 3 and spin 4 start with 15 no possible play because our previous results are 611 and 115
Now spins 1 and spin 3 start with 61 so theres a possible repeat to make it 611.
we place a bet on double street 1...-1
next result
Spin# R DS
Spin 1 35 6
Spin 2 3 1 spins DS
Spin 3 2 1 123 611
Spin 4 27 5 234 115 Spins
Spin 5 5 1 345 151 135 611
so result was double street 1 and we got the win and we are at +5
Now we start over with the last 3 spins
spin# R DS
Spin 1 2 1
spin 2 27 5 spin
spin 3 5 1 123 151
Next I will show everything already done and mark where we win and how many bets placed. Then ill go back to give another detailed example
Spin# R DS
Spin 1 9 2
Spin 2 16 3 spins DS
Spin 3 32 6 1-2-3 236
Spin 4 15 3 2-3-4 363 Spins DS
Spin 5 22 4 3-4-5 634 1-3-5 264
Spin 6 19 4 4-5-6 344 2-4-6 334 Spins DS
Spin 7 21 4 5-6-7 444 3-5-7 644 1-4-7 234
Spin 8 34 6 6-7-8 446 4-6-8 346 2-5-8 346 Spins DS
Spin 9 21 4 7-8-9 464 5-7-9 444 3-6-9 644 1-5-9 244
Spin 10 14 3 8-9-10 643 6-8-10 463 4-7-10 343 2-6-10 343 Spins DS
Spin 11 8 2 9-10-11 432 7-9-11 442 5-8-11 462 3-7-11 642 1-6-11 242
Spin 12 25 5 10-11-12 325 8-10-12 635 6-9-12 445 4-8-12 365 2-7-12 345 Spins DS
Spin 13 15 3 11-12-13 253 9-11-13 423 7-10-13 433 5-9-13 443 3-8-13 663 1-7-13 243
First possible play is for spin 7... to catch a repeat on group #147 ...we play for ds 6 and lose
for spin 8 we have a play on group #678 on ds 4 also we have a play on group #468 and #258 also on ds 4( just place 1 unit ignore repeats on same ds)......we also lose we are at -2 units
For spin 9 we have a play on group #579 for DS 4 and DS 6....also a bet on group #369 also on DS 4 so ignore this repeat.....so -2 for this play on ds 6 and 4
we get the win here so placed 4 units and win 6.....we are at +2 by spin 9. so we reset with the last 3 spins instead of continuing.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 18, 02:59 AM 2019
Spin# R DS
Spin 1 9 2
Spin 2 16 3 spins DS
Spin 3 32 6 1-2-3 236
Spin 4 15 3 2-3-4 363 Spins DS
Spin 5 22 4 3-4-5 634 1-3-5 264
Spin 6 19 4 4-5-6 344 2-4-6 334 Spins DS
Spin 7 21 4 5-6-7 444 3-5-7 644 1-4-7 234
Spin 8 34 6 6-7-8 446 4-6-8 346 2-5-8 346 Spins DS
Spin 9 21 4 7-8-9 464 5-7-9 444 3-6-9 644 1-5-9 244
Spin 10 14 3 8-9-10 643 6-8-10 463 4-7-10 343 2-6-10 343 Spins DS
Spin 11 8 2 9-10-11 432 7-9-11 442 5-8-11 462 3-7-11 642 1-6-11 242
Spin 12 25 5 10-11-12 325 8-10-12 635 6-9-12 445 4-8-12 365 2-7-12 345 Spins DS
Spin 13 15 3 11-12-13 253 9-11-13 423 7-10-13 433 5-9-13 443 3-8-13 663 1-7-13 243
I attached an image of this so it can look easier to understand
Hello, from young confessions! As always -
Very cool reading matter ... :thumbsup:
I tried to play dozens for trainings and bets, my bets went for 1-2 dozen. I changed the length of the AP ...
It was a manual short test, sometimes the sequences from 123,321,231,132 followed one after another and the rate did not fall, but since we know that dozens of cycles are 3â€"20â€"25% long, the double lines are 2% more stable in this regard, so it makes sense switch to them when one system fails ....
And this is a good example of a short session.
If AP - 123 was formed from 444-555-666, etc., is this the end of the session?
Quote from: Person S on Mar 18, 01:52 PM 2019
If AP - 123 was formed from 444-555-666, etc., is this the end of the session?
123 is the first set.... your first play would be 234
if you get win on 234 then its end of the session.
Well, I said a little wrong.
Suppose we have 3 repeats of DS, although this is rare ...
Spin DS
1 4
2 4
3 4
We have formed AP - 123 from DS - 444.
We transfer it to the next AP - 234 (DS-44). We have to play to repeat the group 123.
But how often DS will repeat 4 times in a row ??? I think you should avoid such combinations ...
To help with youre understanding...
-we have access to more events in less spins
-minimum repeat is 3 ds in 13 spins many times we will get our winning event
-statistically a ds repeats 75% in 4 spins
-there is some sort of dependence because of the way we are recording the info
-you can flatbet and take the losses because there will be more wins but ending at +1 is better by using progression
i didnt make this topic to change anyone mind about anything. simply shared a method for those that can be helped enjoy.
if you dont like or thinking its bullsh*t also enjoy and thank you
ill post more examples later or tomorrow
HI MONEYT101
firstly thanks for sharing your method
it seems very innovative method
I think your strayegy is something close to KATILLA strategy with gasp
any way please try to do some more examples because still confuse
VDW you mean the algorithms method?
IF someone as me dond know vdw method is impossible to understand your system?
IF someone as me dond know vdw method is impossible to understand your system?
Forum-Search-Airborne
Quote from: Person S on Mar 18, 05:05 PM 2019
IF someone as me dond know vdw method is impossible to understand your system?
Forum-Search-Airborne
link:s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden%27s_theorem
100.000 Cycles each 13 spins, without zero:
How many bet numbers to win:
{{1, 14224}, {2, 9269}, {3, 12879}, {4, 10080}, {5, 6651}, {6, 8548}, {7, 6239}, {8, 5111},
{9, 4610}, {10, 3463}, {11, 3031}, {12,2423}, {13, 1979}, {14, 1569}, {15, 1320}, {16, 998},
{17, 742}, {18, 574}, {19, 436}, {20, 361}, {21, 266}, {22, 207}, {23, 168}, {24, 121},
{25, 104}, {26, 103}, {27, 66}, {28, 72}, {29, 54}, {30, 31}, {31, 21}, {32, 28},
{33, 23}, {34, 16}, {35, 11}, {36, 6}, {37, 6}, {38, 1}, {39, 4},
{41, 1}, {42, 2}, {43, 1}, {45, 1}, {47, 1}, {49, 1}, {51, 1}, {52, 1}}
14224 times win at the 1. bet ds
1 time 52 ds to bet
Quote from: Herby on Mar 19, 09:49 AM 2019
100.000 Cycles each 13 spins, without zero:
How many bet numbers to win:
{{1, 14224}, {2, 9269}, {3, 12879}, {4, 10080}, {5, 6651}, {6, 8548}, {7, 6239}, {8, 5111},
{9, 4610}, {10, 3463}, {11, 3031}, {12,2423}, {13, 1979}, {14, 1569}, {15, 1320}, {16, 998},
{17, 742}, {18, 574}, {19, 436}, {20, 361}, {21, 266}, {22, 207}, {23, 168}, {24, 121},
{25, 104}, {26, 103}, {27, 66}, {28, 72}, {29, 54}, {30, 31}, {31, 21}, {32, 28},
{33, 23}, {34, 16}, {35, 11}, {36, 6}, {37, 6}, {38, 1}, {39, 4},
{41, 1}, {42, 2}, {43, 1}, {45, 1}, {47, 1}, {49, 1}, {51, 1}, {52, 1}}
14224 times win at the 1. bet ds
1 time 52 ds to bet
Interesting info, thank you for posting
Can you show the sequence of numbers for 1 time 52?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 19, 11:22 AM 2019Can you show the sequence of numbers for 1 time 52?
Sorry, this would afford to rewrite the programm totally.
I took 13 spin parts and looked in a following step for the repeat.
Quote from: Herby on Mar 19, 11:52 AM 2019
Sorry, this would afford to rewrite the programm totally.
I took 13 spin parts and looked in a following step for the repeat.
How did you understand what I posted? How were you’re bets chosen?
It was time with Pri's VdW topic when I became active (writing and programming) here because I did'nt know about VdW, so I'm "quite" familiar with VdW.
For me your bets were clear with support of the example and the picture.
Quote from: Herby on Mar 19, 12:29 PM 2019
It was time with Pri's VdW topic when I became active (writing and programming) here because I did'nt know about VdW, so I'm "quite" familiar with VdW.
For me your bets were clear with support of the example and the picture.
Ok I’ll post more examples....
Usually wins by 6 placed bets
Highest was 9 placed bets and win
And I think it was 12 bets and no win
But I’m really interested in finding a more then 20 bet placed sequence in 13 spins when there are only 6 numbers and not all combinations are possible because of the way the info is recorded
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 19, 12:46 PM 2019Ok I’ll post more examples....
Good idea, I'll control my prog.
If you like you give me 13 ds (without zero), I write the bets.
Priyanka - "VdW is not one of them."
Stop wasting time with VdW.
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 19, 12:58 PM 2019Priyanka - "VdW is not one of them."
Stop wasting time with VdW.
No problem, so where or what is one or more of them ??
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 19, 12:58 PM 2019
Priyanka - "VdW is not one of them."
Stop wasting time with VdW.
Vdw is a visual presentation but if you look closely is more of a birthday paradox and Ramsey theory
Quote from: Herby on Mar 19, 12:49 PM 2019
Good idea, I'll control my prog.
If you like you give me 13 ds (without zero), I write the bets.
17
16
7
27
10
29
5
21
25
17
19
27
21
Quote from: Herby on Mar 19, 01:06 PM 2019
No problem, so where or what is one or more of them ??
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.1155
{{4, {2}, {}}, {5, {5}, {}}, {6, {2, 5}, {}}, {7, {5}, {}},
{8, {1, 2,5}, {}}, {9, {2, 4, 5}, {5}},
{10, {1, 2, 4, 5}, {}}, {11, {1, 3, 4, 5}, {}}, {12, {1, 3, 4, 5}, {}}, {13, {3, 4, 5}, {}}}
Spin 9: bet ds: 2,4,5 hit: ds5
Quote from: Herby on Mar 19, 02:13 PM 2019
{{4, {2}, {}}, {5, {5}, {}}, {6, {2, 5}, {}}, {7, {5}, {}},
{8, {1, 2,5}, {}}, {9, {2, 4, 5}, {5}},
{10, {1, 2, 4, 5}, {}}, {11, {1, 3, 4, 5}, {}}, {12, {1, 3, 4, 5}, {}}, {13, {3, 4, 5}, {}}}
Spin 9: bet ds: 2,4,5 hit: ds5
Spin 1-4 - no bet
Spin 5 - bet 5
Spin 6 - no bet
Spin 7 - bet 2, 5
Spin 8 - bet 2,5
Spin 9 - bet 1,2,4,5
Betting sequence
-1.....-1
-2.....-3
-2.....-5
-4...3 units... -12.... win 18 and end at +1
It’s seems you had more bets then I did....?
More bets, more susceptible to variance.
17
16
7
27
10
29
5
21
25
17
19
27
21 only one question at this sequence which post moneyt101 if must bet then at spin 8 is number 21 4 ds so must bet ds 5 and loss or
next spin number nine which is ds 5 must bet ds5 and win? any other betting opportunity except this at above sequence?
Quote from: poluvolo on Mar 20, 01:06 AM 2019
17
16
7
27
10
29
5
21
25
17
19
27
21 only one question at this sequence which post moneyt101 if must bet then at spin 8 is number 21 4 ds so must bet ds 5 and loss or
next spin number nine which is ds 5 must bet ds5 and win? any other betting opportunity except this at above sequence?
after you have the result for spin 8...we bet 1245 to win spin 9
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/03/20/sourceace5c.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/UpDcH)
Spins 1-9 no bet
spin 10 - 4,6
Spin 11 - 1,3,4.....W
bet amount
-2....-2
-3.....-5 W +1
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/03/20/sourceeeac9.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/UpBfg)
Spins 1-6 no bet
Spin 7 - 4
Spin 8 - 5
Spin 9 - 2,5
Bet amount
-1....-1
-1....-2
-2...-4....W +2
ok firstly thanks very much about your answer moneyt101
so number 8 spin is a losing bet because must bet ds 5 and number 8spin is 21 ds4
now only this question
why at spin 9 must bet 1245?
only this explanation please i want very much understand this system
Quote from: poluvolo on Mar 20, 02:48 AM 2019
ok firstly thanks very much about your answer moneyt101
so number 8 spin is a losing bet because must bet ds 5 and number 8spin is 21 ds4
now only this question
why at spin 9 must bet 1245?
only this explanation please i want very much understand this system
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/03/20/source3e6f3.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/UpmQt)
Spin 9 .....we are looking for a repeat of
25
1,25
2,32
4,32
5
This bet selection still runs into problems dont come into this thinking its the HG
-sometimes to many numbers
-sometimes progression gets high
-sometimes no win in 13 spins
But you can use the ideas presented or modify it to fit your game play
I see there are problems with my results,
I have to check my program.
Thanks MoneyT for your good checkable examples.
(You can see here the importance of examples for checking results of a program)
After repairing an index problem:
MoneyT example above with this numbers:
{17, 16, 7, 27, 10, 29, 5, 21, 25, 17, 19, 27, 21}
my results look like this:
{{4, {}, {}}, {5, {5}, {}}, {6, {}, {}}, {7, {2, 5}, {}}, {8, {2, 5}, {}},
{9, {1, 2, 4, 5}, {5}},
{10, {1, 4, 5}, {}}, {11, {1, 3, 5}, {}}, {12, {3, 4}, {}},
{13, {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {4}}}
in this case spin #13 would bring another win with ds4 (if considered).
For testing with your RaspberryPi:
spins = 13 ;
m = Floor[spins/2];
t1 = Table[{n, n + m, n + 2 m}, {n, 1, spins - 2}, {m, 1, m}];
vdw = SortBy[Cases[Flatten[t1, 1], {_, _, _?(# <= spins &)}], Last] ; (* VdW *)
Fun[n_] := Module[{w1a, w2, w1},
w1a = Union[{ds[[#[[1]]]], ds[[#[[2]]]], ds[[#[[3]]]]} & /@ Cases[vdw, {_, _, _?(# < n &)}]];
w2 = Union[{ds[[#[[1]]]], ds[[#[[2]]]], ds[[#[[3]]]]} & /@ Cases[vdw, {_, _, _?(# == n &)}]];
w1 = Flatten[Cases[w1a, {#[[1]], #[[2]], _}] & /@ w2, 1];
{n, Union[w1[[All, -1]]], Union[Intersection[w1, w2][[All, -1]]]}]
Quote from: Herby on Mar 20, 05:09 AM 2019
Thanks MoneyT for your good checkable examples.
(You can see here the importance of examples for checking results of a program)
After repairing an index problem:
MoneyT example above with this numbers:
{17, 16, 7, 27, 10, 29, 5, 21, 25, 17, 19, 27, 21}
my results look like this:
{{4, {}, {}}, {5, {5}, {}}, {6, {}, {}}, {7, {2, 5}, {}}, {8, {2, 5}, {}},
{9, {1, 2, 4, 5}, {5}},
{10, {1, 4, 5}, {}}, {11, {1, 3, 5}, {}}, {12, {3, 4}, {}},
{13, {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {4}}}
in this case spin #13 would bring another win with ds4 (if considered).
Yea now run your test of 100.000 again and tell me if it’s still 52 like before
100.000 Cycles each 13 spins, without zero:
How many bet numbers to win:
{{1, 13687}, {2, 9058}, {3, 12758}, {4, 10064}, {5, 6578}, {6,8664}, {7, 6439}, {8, 5202}, {9, 4487}, {10, 3567},
{11, 3000}, {12,2483}, {13, 1857}, {14, 1673}, {15, 1262}, {16, 954}, {17, 747}, {18, 557}, {19, 455}, {20, 332},
{21, 268}, {22, 227}, {23, 194}, {24, 128}, {25, 118}, {26, 96}, {27, 99}, {28, 93}, {29, 60}, {30, 70},
{31, 50}, {32, 47}, {33, 35}, {34, 39}, {35, 27}, {36, 25}, {37, 24}, {38, 22}, {39, 14}, {40, 6},
{41, 11}, {42,7}, {43, 4}, {44, 2}, {45, 8}, {47, 3}, {48, 4}, {49, 1}, {50, 2},
{51, 1}, {52, 1}, {53, 1}, {54, 3}, {55, 1}, {68, 1}}
1 time 68 ds to bet until 1. win
Quote from: Herby on Mar 20, 02:08 PM 2019
100.000 Cycles each 13 spins, without zero:
How many bet numbers to win:
{{1, 13687}, {2, 9058}, {3, 12758}, {4, 10064}, {5, 6578}, {6,8664}, {7, 6439}, {8, 5202}, {9, 4487}, {10, 3567},
{11, 3000}, {12,2483}, {13, 1857}, {14, 1673}, {15, 1262}, {16, 954}, {17, 747}, {18, 557}, {19, 455}, {20, 332},
{21, 268}, {22, 227}, {23, 194}, {24, 128}, {25, 118}, {26, 96}, {27, 99}, {28, 93}, {29, 60}, {30, 70},
{31, 50}, {32, 47}, {33, 35}, {34, 39}, {35, 27}, {36, 25}, {37, 24}, {38, 22}, {39, 14}, {40, 6},
{41, 11}, {42,7}, {43, 4}, {44, 2}, {45, 8}, {47, 3}, {48, 4}, {49, 1}, {50, 2},
{51, 1}, {52, 1}, {53, 1}, {54, 3}, {55, 1}, {68, 1}}
1 time 68 ds to bet until 1. win
A bet is made from spins 4-13
10 spins... if we bet all 6 outcomes for 10 spins that’s 60
How do you get 68?
I’m honestly just trying to understand the way it’s testing?
1 ) Spins 4 -13: bets are made if a repeat (considering VdW Positions) is possible.
so in each 13 spins there are different amounts of bets
2 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure ,
3 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure , and so on
Count the amount of bets (possible repeats)
So my result says: Once in 1.3 million spins it needed 68 bets to get a first repeat.
Quote from: Herby on Mar 20, 03:58 PM 2019
1 ) Spins 4 -13: bets are made if a repeat (considering VdW Positions) is possible.
so in each 13 spins there are different amounts of bets
2 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure ,
3 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure , and so on
Count the amount of bets (possible repeats)
So my result says: Once in 1.3 million spins it needed 68 bets to get a first repeat.
Ok perfect now I get you
In your picture above I count 9 bet ds for a repeat.
Thanks MoneyT, interesting bet selection.
To help with the stats:
Tracking double streets in groups of 3 gives 216 possible combinations.
The cycle length stats for 216 different options, tested over 1 million cycles, are:
Cycle Length 1: 4732 --- 0.4732%
Cycle Length 2: 9275 --- 0.9275%
Cycle Length 3: 13660 --- 1.366%
Cycle Length 4: 18197 --- 1.8197%
Cycle Length 5: 22260 --- 2.226%
Cycle Length 6: 26031 --- 2.6031%
Cycle Length 7: 29623 --- 2.9623%
Cycle Length 8: 32585 --- 3.2585%
Cycle Length 9: 35233 --- 3.5233%
Cycle Length 10: 37273 --- 3.7273%
Cycle Length 11: 39310 --- 3.931%
Cycle Length 12: 40562 --- 4.0562%
Cycle Length 13: 41676 --- 4.1676%
Cycle Length 14: 41990 --- 4.199%
Cycle Length 15: 42393 --- 4.2393%
Cycle Length 16: 41936 --- 4.1936%
Cycle Length 17: 41206 --- 4.1206%
Cycle Length 18: 40121 --- 4.0121%
Cycle Length 19: 38835 --- 3.8835%
Cycle Length 20: 37207 --- 3.7207%
Cycle Length 21: 35459 --- 3.5459%
Cycle Length 22: 33432 --- 3.3432%
Cycle Length 23: 31690 --- 3.169%
Cycle Length 24: 29621 --- 2.9621%
Cycle Length 25: 27260 --- 2.726%
Cycle Length 26: 24869 --- 2.4869%
Cycle Length 27: 22947 --- 2.2947%
Cycle Length 28: 20762 --- 2.0762%
Cycle Length 29: 18696 --- 1.8696%
Cycle Length 30: 16945 --- 1.6945%
Cycle Length 31: 15045 --- 1.5045%
Cycle Length 32: 13076 --- 1.3076%
Cycle Length 33: 11562 --- 1.1562%
Cycle Length 34: 10027 --- 1.0027%
Cycle Length 35: 8833 --- 0.8833%
Cycle Length 36: 7521 --- 0.7521%
Cycle Length 37: 6473 --- 0.6473%
Cycle Length 38: 5581 --- 0.5581%
Cycle Length 39: 4777 --- 0.4777%
Cycle Length 40: 3908 --- 0.3908%
Cycle Length 41: 3378 --- 0.3378%
Cycle Length 42: 2722 --- 0.2722%
Cycle Length 43: 2272 --- 0.2272%
Cycle Length 44: 1888 --- 0.1888%
Cycle Length 45: 1460 --- 0.146%
Cycle Length 46: 1151 --- 0.1151%
Cycle Length 47: 1015 --- 0.1015%
Cycle Length 48: 831 --- 0.0831%
Cycle Length 49: 624 --- 0.0624%
Cycle Length 50: 475 --- 0.0475%
Cycle Length 51: 379 --- 0.0379%
Cycle Length 52: 266 --- 0.0266%
Cycle Length 53: 225 --- 0.0225%
Cycle Length 54: 169 --- 0.0169%
Cycle Length 55: 158 --- 0.0158%
Cycle Length 56: 96 --- 0.0096%
Cycle Length 57: 70 --- 0.007%
Cycle Length 58: 70 --- 0.007%
Cycle Length 59: 44 --- 0.0044%
Cycle Length 60: 30 --- 0.003%
Cycle Length 61: 23 --- 0.0023%
Cycle Length 62: 16 --- 0.0016%
Cycle Length 63: 16 --- 0.0016%
Cycle Length 64: 10 --- 0.001%
Cycle Length 65: 8 --- 0.0008%
Cycle Length 66: 6 --- 0.0006%
Cycle Length 67: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 68: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 69: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 70: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 71: 1 --- 0.0001%
Cycle Length 72: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 73: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 74: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 75: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 76: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 77: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 78: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 79: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 80: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 81: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 82: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 83: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 84: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 85: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 86: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 87: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 88: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 89: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 90: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 91: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 92: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 93: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 94: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 95: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 96: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 97: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 98: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 99: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 100: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 101: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 102: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 103: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 104: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 105: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 106: 0 --- 0%
Cycle Length 107: 0 --- 0%
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In 13 spins you are recording 36 combinations (cycle length 35) so you have a 95.43% chance of getting a repeat combination in that window.
The limit was cycle length 71 which happened once out of 1 million cycles, similar to the value Herby has reported.
Hi redhot,
what does your cyclelength describe ? (216 possible combinations is clear)
Is it possible to to post just the frequencies ? 4732, 9275, ...
or a text, csv or xml file to make it readable for a computer ?
Thanks
Quote from: Herby on Mar 20, 11:34 PM 2019
Hi redhot,
what does your cyclelength describe ? (216 possible combinations is clear)
Is it possible to to post just the frequencies ? 4732, 9275, ...
or a text, csv or xml file to make it readable for a computer ?
Thanks
It’s just the cycles....
There are 216 combinations when you combine 6ds in groups of 3
The repeat comes well before 80
Redhot continue what you’re doing my friend! You should have a better idea
I will give you a new thing to look for.... you can create your own playing positions!!!
Double streets = 1,2,3,4,5,6
Ec + dozen = 1,2,3,4,5,6
Look up Pri stitched bets for more info
Good luck :thumbsup:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 21, 12:07 AM 2019There are 216 combinations when you combine 6ds in groups of 3
The repeat comes well before 80
Thanks.
The Birthday Paradox.
Some limiting factor is needed.
REDHOT, theoretical values in %:
{{1, 0.462963}, {2, 0.921639}, {3, 1.36966}, {4, 1.80085}, {5, 2.20937}, {6, 2.58988},
{7, 2.93759}, {8, 3.24845}, {9, 3.51915}, {10, 3.74724}, {11, 3.93114}, {12, 4.07012},
{13, 4.16433}, {14, 4.21475}, {15, 4.22312}, {16, 4.19183}, {17, 4.12391}, {18, 4.02283},
{19, 3.89247}, {20, 3.73692}, {21, 3.56045}, {22, 3.36736}, {23, 3.16186}, {24, 2.94801},
{25, 2.72964}, {26, 2.51026}, {27, 2.29303}, {28, 2.08071}, {29, 1.87567}, {30, 1.67983},
{31, 1.49474}, {32, 1.32152}, {33, 1.16092}, {34, 1.01336}, {35, 0.878961}, {36, 0.757581},
{37, 0.648854}, {38, 0.55224}, {39, 0.467063}, {40, 0.392546}, {41, 0.327848}, {42, 0.272096},
{43, 0.224407}, {44, 0.183914}, {45, 0.149778}, {46, 0.121209}, {47, 0.0974701}, {48, 0.0778839},
{49, 0.0618384}, {50, 0.0487859}, {51, 0.0382427}, {52, 0.029786}, {53, 0.0230502}, {54, 0.0177226},
{55, 0.0135381}, {56, 0.0102744}, {57, 0.00774654}, {58, 0.00580235}, {59, 0.00431749}, {60, 0.00319137},
{61, 0.00234329}, {62, 0.00170909}, {63, 0.00123817}, {64, 0.000890961}, {65, 0.000636769},
{66,0.000451997}, {67, 0.000318643}, {68, 0.000223085}, {69, 0.000155103}, {70, 0.000107086},
{71, 0.000073416},
{72, 0.000049978}, {73, 0.0000337815}, {74, 0.0000226709}, {75, 0.0000151054}, {76, 9.99197*10^-6}, ...}
Hi guys!
Unfortunately, I do not own Exl...
Is it possible to calculate how often the AP - 345 will close this way.
And can anyone tell me how to calculate the number of combinations, should there be some kind of formula?
Quote from: Herby on Mar 20, 11:34 PM 2019
Hi redhot,
what does your cyclelength describe ? (216 possible combinations is clear)
Is it possible to to post just the frequencies ? 4732, 9275, ...
or a text, csv or xml file to make it readable for a computer ?
Thanks
My software can take any amount of possible combinations and test the cycle length stats.
In this example, there are 216 possible combinations so the software creates a cycle of 217 "spins". Each spin can have a value between 1-216, this value is chosen randomly.
Each cycle will therefore have a repeat, the earliest repeat possible will be at spin 2 (cycle length 1). The latest repeat possible will be at spin 217 (cycle length 216).
The software runs 1 million cycles and records the cycle length for each.
The stats show the frequency of each cycle length over 1 million cycles.
Great software, redhot!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 21, 12:07 AM 2019
It’s just the cycles....
There are 216 combinations when you combine 6ds in groups of 3
The repeat comes well before 80
Redhot continue what you’re doing my friend! You should have a better idea
I will give you a new thing to look for.... you can create your own playing positions!!!
Double streets = 1,2,3,4,5,6
Ec + dozen = 1,2,3,4,5,6
Look up Pri stitched bets for more info
Good luck :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 18, 02:47 PM 2019
To help with youre understanding...
-we have access to more events in less spins
-minimum repeat is 3 ds in 13 spins many times we will get our winning event
-statistically a ds repeats 75% in 4 spins
-there is some sort of dependence because of the way we are recording the info
-you can flatbet and take the losses because there will be more wins but ending at +1 is better by using progression
Hi MoneyT,
You mentioned that there will be a minimum of 3 hits on a DS in 13 spins and that 75% of the time the repeat is in 4 spins.
This is relevant to the original stream.
How do these things relate to the second stream where you are grouping results into groups of 3?
It is a pity that this topic was completed early, I think it has potential!
I wonder if anyone can write a tracker for testing, because we can eliminate some combinations and improve the result.
Quote from: Person S on Apr 22, 04:27 AM 2019
It is a pity that this topic was completed early, I think it has potential!
I wonder if anyone can write a tracker for testing, because we can eliminate some combinations and improve the result.
Excel tracker attached, the results column currently produces random results but feel free to remove these and input your own.
Thank you, Redhot! :thumbsup:
The coolest, is it possible to highlight the matching combinations in color?