Hello guys,
Let's imagine the following situation ...
I'm going to the roulette table...
Let's pretend that the following sequence/triplex occurred. (1,1,2)
I then start betting on the dominant (1). I can win or lose. Right?
Actually the triplex did not happen in the past spins. I just pretended that it occurred. Do you understand the point here?
The wheel doesn't give a crap on what happened in the past.
That's the problem with most systems.
Repeaters, uniques, trends, patterns, etc are all only in your head.
Please be polite.
Exactly.
You just exposed the fallacy. The wheel has no memory.
If you look at 100's and 1000's of spins you may be lucky to (possibly!) identify a trend on a number or sector due to defect or other factors.
But the last 50 spins are pretty useless. And trying to predict reds or blacks or EC or dozens is never possible with any analysis. That's why they have a marquee with the last 12 numbers, to encourage you to engage in a fruitless task and feed them profits.
Increased accuracy in prediction is the only way to beat the wheel.
Using systems like Pattern Breaker or dominant 3 only gives us the feeling that we are in control of the game and the losses come with more delay.
It's a psychological thing.
There's no difference if you bet Black and Red randomly. You'll just lose faster.
If you really want to be able to beat roulette, you have to investigate if you can create a bet that depends on the RESULT of a previous bet.
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 19, 06:28 PM 2019
If you really want to be able to beat roulette, you have to investigate if you can create a bet that depends on the RESULT of a previous bet.
Would you care to elaborate a little more please?
Quote from: Blood Angel on Mar 19, 06:45 PM 2019
Would you care to elaborate a little more please?
Look at the bet selection I posted.. something along those lines
Quote from: Blood Angel on Mar 19, 06:45 PM 2019
Would you care to elaborate a little more please?
Of course.
The ONLY way we can beat roulette is if we can devise a way so that the result of a constant bet A, depends on the result of a constant bet B. Where B occurred earlier in time.
What is a constant bet? "a constant bet is a fixed amount of chips on a fixed set of positions."
We deliberately use positions instead of numbers as these may be separated in time.
So, we have to think about dependency.
There's no dependency on a random wheel.
The only dependency people have is on the fallacy and on negative progressions which give the illusion of short term games at the expense of thumping losses which will wipe out the gains and give the house its edge to boot.
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 19, 07:28 PM 2019
There's no dependency on a random wheel.
The only dependency people have is on the fallacy and on negative progressions which give the illusion of short term games at the expense of thumping losses which will wipe out the gains and give the house its edge to boot.
I’ve told you about 5 times already I don’t need a wheel. This is my last reply to you in this as you clearly can’t comprehend.
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 19, 07:43 PM 2019
I’ve told you about 5 times already I don’t need a wheel. This is my last reply to you in this as you clearly can’t comprehend.
😂😂😂 I felt the same way with the same guy
Ppl keep talking about wheels and I’m talking numbers
Wheel doesn’t mean anything it’s just a way for you to spin and get a random result!!!
When you guys learn that then you can learn to play different games
Numbers are useless. They are simply names for pockets. They could be anything. They have no logical significance. If you don't relate to pockets and sectors, you are simply playing numerology which is as good as pissing in the wind.
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 19, 08:17 PM 2019
Numbers are useless. They are simply names for pockets. They could be anything. They have no logical significance. If you don't relate to pockets and sectors, you are simply playing numerology which is as good as pissing in the wind.
Exactly!
Once I believed betting on repeaters or uniques worked, until I realized it was a fallacy. You bet on 12 repeaters or 12 random numbers is the same thing.
The wheel doesn't care.
Unless is a defective wheel
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 18, 10:46 PM 2019
The wheel doesn't give a crap on what happened in the past.
That's the problem with most systems.
Repeaters, uniques, trends, patterns, etc are all only in your head.
You tell me what you see in these numbers?
13
24
34
15
30
19
20
7
2
30
4
29
26
28
35
0
22
20
7
8
2
4
19
12
5
36
13
13
14
20
35
24
11
33
32
9
Then, I'll continue what I think about your statement.
I see names for pockets. Random numbers.
There are two possibilities:
If there are repeated numbers, it is mere coincidence.
If there are repeated numbers, it is a biased wheel. (Very hard to find nowadays.)
In any case, nothing you tell me will make me change my mind.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 19, 11:52 PM 2019
I see names for pockets. Random numbers.
There are two possibilities:
If there are repeated numbers, it is mere coincidence.
If there are repeated numbers, it is a biased wheel. (Very hard to find nowadays.)
In any case, nothing you tell me will make me change my mind.
No no no, I don't want to make you change your mind. I'd be an absolute asshole for trying to do so. You have your opinion, and I have mine.
What I would like you to do however, is head on over to random.org ( which by the way has NOTHING to do with a wheel, with roulette or anything )
Pick numbers 0 - 36 and let it spit out 36/37 numbers.
Strange thing is - you'll get repeats EVERY....SINGLE .....TIME
So lets come back to roulette for a second.
Lets assume you're playing an absolute perfect wheel, no bias, the most perfect dealer... not biased either .... and the most perfect casino circumstances in the world. Air-con set to the right temp, waitress gorgeous.... and all the other bullshit that goes with it.
Guess what, you'll get repeats.
Btw - lets change that, and go complete opposite - biased wheel, biased dealer, ugly chick etc. etc. ( you get the picture )
Guess what ........again? You'll get you some more repeats.
Does the wheel care about the past? Nope, BUT numbers sure as hell repeat.
So I personally don't fully agree with your statement. Do I have the answer as to why numbers repeat (random.org) Nope, I don't.... all I know, they do repeat, and people can use that to some extent.
Hope that was polite? :thumbsup:
Ciao
M
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 19, 11:33 PM 2019
You tell me what you see in these numbers?
13
24
34
15
30
19
20
7
2
30
4
29
26
28
35 +50 Generals KFC
0
22
20
7
8
2
4
19
12
5
36
13
13 +24 betting hit once
14
20 +22 another win on hit once
35
24
11
33
32
9
Then, I'll continue what I think about your statement.
Wins on colour matrix as well :thumbsup: So unique and repeats; but all in ones head :lol:
André
You pushing many here to the uncomfortable zone !
Those who ever believed that roulette is the easiest way to become rich !
People like those have ever understood that past spins are related to future ones!
This topic of uniques and repeaters, "LOT" has already been debated for years.
Let's assume that roulette has only 10 numbers.
The chances of 10 spins hit for example:
5-9-2-8-3-5-10-8-4-3 (three repeaters)
Or
3-9-4-10-8-6-2-7-1-5 (ten uniques)
are the same.
Prove me I'm wrong.
The wheel has no memory.
They are the same.
But there's a lot more other sequences that can come up with 3 repeaters which look similar such as 5-9-2-6-3-5-10-6-4-3 which convince people to believe that a particular sequence with 3 repeaters is more likely than particular sequence of uniques.
We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred. All we can bet on is the next spin, and for that each number still has a 1/37 chance, so any prediction system based on repeaters is enticing, but doomed to failure.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 20, 02:22 PM 2019
Prove me I'm wrong.
I proved with the very first test I did, (random.org) showed me repeaters.
What the hell else should I do to "prove" ???
If anything, you made a statement, now back it up with proof. Stop shooting from the hip.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 18, 10:46 PM 2019
Repeaters, uniques, trends, patterns, etc are all only in your head.
@ Firefox - you say "We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred"
which contradicts the above statement from Andre.
All I'm saying is, you cannot make statements like his, if you don't have proof to back it up.
I showed repeaters, so it's not in my head. As a matter of fact, I can show him millions of trials with repeaters, so his statement is exactly what it is .... his opinion.
Night - off to bed! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 20, 04:03 PM 2019
@ Firefox - you say "We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred"
which contradicts the above statement from Andre.
All I'm saying is, you cannot make statements like his, if you don't have proof to back it up.
I showed repeaters, so it's not in my head. As a matter of fact, I can show him millions of trials with repeaters, so his statement is exactly what it is .... his opinion.
Night - off to bed!
In the random game, why should a number that has hit be more likely to hit over the next series of spins than a number that has not hit?
After all the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, right? And doesn't the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning?
What is the magical force that makes "repeaters" more likely to hit ? :o
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 20, 04:03 PM 2019
@ Firefox - you say "We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred"
which contradicts the above statement from Andre.
No it doesn't.
Any precise sequence of 10 numbers has the probability (1/37)^10
Andre gave two different precise sequences, one with uniques, one with repeaters. They both have the same probabilty (1/37)^10 so he is correct.
There happen to be more sequences overall with repeated numbers than there are with uniques.
So if you select a sequence at random from all the possible ones, it is more likely to contain repeats than be solely uniques. But that's a different question to the one Andre posed.
That's what I meant when I said that there are more likely to be repeated numbers in a random sequence.
However, this fact does not help you in gaining any advantage in prediction of the next number which is the only thing anyone can bet on.
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 20, 06:45 AM 2019
Lets assume you're playing an absolute perfect wheel, no bias, the most perfect dealer... not biased either .... and the most perfect casino circumstances in the world. Air-con set to the right temp, waitress gorgeous.... and all the other bullshit that goes with it.
Guess what, you'll get repeats.
Ciao
M
No need to assume. Its just the real condition of 99% casino. Casino got the money , manpower , willingness to maintain this condition for their own safety.
This will effectively keep the wheel junkies away from casino who mostly look for stars in day time.
Quote from: The General on Mar 20, 04:33 PM 2019
In the random game, why should a number that has hit be more likely to hit over the next series of spins than a number that has not hit?
After all the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, right? And doesn't the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning?
What is the magical force that makes "repeaters" more likely to hit ? :o
No magical force just the mechanics of roulette which I’ve explained and cannot be denied
Doesn’t mean you can predict the numbers but the mechanics is there
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 20, 05:02 PM 2019
No magical force just the mechanics of roulette which I’ve explained and cannot be denied
Doesn’t mean you can predict the numbers but the mechanics is there
Are you winning with this?
I’m just answering the question about the magical force
You cannot win with repeats alone
You need all three states
That’s just a visual concept that you see and then disregard everything else that’s happening
Everyone seems stuck on repeats
I’m not one of them
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 20, 05:21 PM 2019
I’m just answering the question about the magical force
You cannot win with repeats alone
You need all three states
That’s just a visual concept that you see and then disregard everything else that’s happening
Everyone seems stuck on repeats
I’m not one of them
In the random game repeaters are no more relevant than cold numbers. The probability of winning doesn't change based on the past number that have hit. -Gambler's fallacy.
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Unfortunately the "Turbo Cult" and his con on roulette simulator fooled a lot of very gullible people into believing that repeaters would enable them to beat the random game in the long run.
Quote from: The General on Mar 20, 08:49 PM 2019
In the random game repeaters are no more relevant than cold numbers. The probability of winning doesn't change based on the past number that have hit. -Gambler's fallacy.
Unfortunately the "Turbo Cult" and his con on roulette simulator fooled a lot of very gullible people into believing that repeaters would enable them to beat the random game in the long run.
[/quoteQuote from: The General on Mar 20, 08:49 PM 2019
The General is one of the funniest (and consistent) guys in this forum. I have a lot of fun with his posts. About me? I made some mistakes in the past, I believed in many systems based on fallacy, I made a lot of money, I lost a lot of money too. Anyway, I'm a zero here. Unfortunately Turbo caused many to believe in a fallacy.
Was the roulette simulator loophole on their martingale tester cause u could set that to flat bet with a certain amount of misses and beat a million spins(200 spins a click). I emailed them about this and then within a week it never worked again.. i think turbo was using this (missed numbers in x spins) i said "fix u stupid fk tester iv been beating it for a million spins unless iv beaten the game" his reply " i doubt ur smart enough to beat roulette " then no mention of thr tester faulty or not... anyway then it beat rx tester 100kspins but with too many many downswings to ever play in real. Then failed excel...
So does anyone know if it was their martingale tester or an algorithm in their normal play mode also?
Just my opinion on why perhaps t"genius" belived he could win always.
Quote from: The General on Mar 20, 04:33 PM 2019
In the random game, why should a number that has hit be more likely to hit over the next series of spins than a number that has not hit?
After all the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, right? And doesn't the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning?
What is the magical force that makes "repeaters" more likely to hit ? :o
If anyone answers your question he is not just uneducated or plain stupid.
He's the ultimate idiot. :twisted:
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 20, 04:46 PM 2019
However, this fact does not help you in gaining any advantage in prediction of the next number which is the only thing anyone can bet on.
It all comes down to this.
repeaters occur because dealer spin the ball with consistent speed, also the rotor must be consistent
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 02:23 AM 2019
repeaters occur because dealer spin the ball with consistent speed, also the rotor must be consistent
What???
Are you ok, Mr Roulettebeater?
There's no sense what you said.
This was great!
NEXT please
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 22, 04:01 PM 2019
What???
Are you ok, Mr Roulettebeater?
There's no sense what you said.
He is right, in very specific circumstances.
See link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=25908.0
For proof.
But you have to be sure of what is going on. Not just betting on any old repeaters. They could be random fluctuations and disappear as fast as they came.
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 23, 06:33 AM 2019
He is right, in very specific circumstances.
See link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=25908.0
For proof.
But you have to be sure of what is going on. Not just betting on any old repeaters. They could be random fluctuations and disappear as fast as they came.
Firefox,
Regardless, I really just enjoy telling Roulettebeater that he's wrong anyway.
Quote from: The General on Mar 23, 01:08 PM 2019
Firefox,
Regardless, I really just enjoy telling Roulettebeater that he's wrong anyway.
But why ? Perhaps because you are a psycho!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 22, 04:01 PM 2019
What???
Are you ok, Mr Roulettebeater?
There's no sense what you said.
My friend, Andre !
It’s ok to comment while you smoke but never comment while you are drunk !
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 20, 04:46 PM 2019
No it doesn't.
Any precise sequence of 10 numbers has the probability (1/37)^10
Andre gave two different precise sequences, one with uniques, one with repeaters. They both have the same probabilty (1/37)^10 so he is correct.
There happen to be more sequences overall with repeated numbers than there are with uniques.
So if you select a sequence at random from all the possible ones, it is more likely to contain repeats than be solely uniques. But that's a different question to the one Andre posed.
That's what I meant when I said that there are more likely to be repeated numbers in a random sequence.
However, this fact does not help you in gaining any advantage in prediction of the next number which is the only thing anyone can bet on.
Sorry - I had to dig this up again. But something bothers me about the part in bold....
Has anyone EVER seen a full set of uniques over 37 spin cycle? If any - would be a super rare occurrence and continue to be rare.
But - has anyone EVER seen a set of repeats over 37 spin cycle? DAILY!!!!
I don't care what maths probability says about - (1/37)^10 .....
So no.... it's not only in my head.
And THAT is the problem I have with the statement that is made.
37 uniques is 1/1.000.000.000.000 so i doubt anyones seen 37/37 numbers ever.
Quote from: Anastasius on Mar 25, 09:03 AM 2019
37 uniques is 1/1.000.000.000.000 so i doubt anyones seen 37/37 numbers ever.
Well that's EXACTLY my point! It's not in my head.
Thank you
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 25, 09:27 AM 2019
Well that's EXACTLY my point! It's not in my head.
Thank you
There's nothing there that you can exploit.
For example, after 30 unique numbers have hit, do you bet the 30 numbers? 30/37 for a payoff of only 35 to 1. Nope, you're going to come up short with this bet in the long run.
Do bet the seven numbers that have not hit? 7/37 for a payoff of only 35 to 1. Nope, you're going to come up short with this bet in the long run too.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 18, 10:46 PM 2019
That's the problem with most systems.
Repeaters, uniques, trends, patterns, etc are all only in your head.
Please be polite.
I repeat ( see what I did there? :xd: ) what I said.
Take a look at the statement above.
Now - placing a bet on a dozen, technically is waiting for it to repeat? Placing a bet on a RED is waiting for it to repeat? Right?
So a repeat is going to happen, doesn't matter how you look at it.
So it's not in my head, nor is it in many other peoples head. People place bets with the hope that certain events repeat.
Read what I'm saying here - SHOW ME - 37 uniques in a 37 spin cycle! You can't because it rarely happens. So that in itself you can use to some degree. But repeaters, man.... I can show you repeaters every single time.
Understand what I'm saying? You cannot based on the above tell me that repeaters are in my head! You cannot! Impossible to deny the fact that they do occur in almost every single spin cycle of 37 spins.
You don't know which numbers will repeat though, until after the event.
You can bet on some uniques to repeat or repeaters to repeat again. But the column may be filled with new uniques and repeats of those. Yes there will have been repeats at the end of the column of 37, but whether you will have picked them is another story.
The wheel doesn't recognise groups of 37, it resets every spin. So you may bet on the first ten uniques which show up, to repeat again. but those actually repeated in the last cycle of 37, and will not appear again in this one.
So you bet 10 units for 27 spins losing 270 while none, or just a few, of those numbers repeat. That's why betting on recent repeaters is just a random bet selection which will lose to the house edge.
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 25, 01:40 PM 2019
You don't know which numbers will repeat though, until after the event.
... with that sir I will surrender! :thumbsup:
But I think I've made my point, because certain numbers will repeat up to 3 or 4 times in a spin cycle, and this "can" be used if you had the correct bet selection and money management.
Anyhow, promise I won't come back to this again. :lol:
Maui13
Go ahead and make millions betting on repeaters and uniques.
I wish you all the luck!
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 25, 02:06 PM 2019
... with that sir I will surrender! :thumbsup:
But I think I've made my point, because certain numbers will repeat up to 3 or 4 times in a spin cycle, and this "can" be used if you had the correct bet selection and money management.
Anyhow, promise I won't come back to this again. :lol:
You have no way of knowing which numbers will continue hitting and which ones will stop. It's no different than chasing trends on the red and black. We know the red will hit several times in a row in a cycle just like the repeats...but so what!
Too many very gullible people we're suckered by the Turbo cult. Time to use common sense and logic rather than chasing clues, hints, and feelings.
The Turbo flat land doesn't exist. The earth is round, not flat. Focus on Increasing the accuracy of your predictions, not fallacies and fairy tales.
Roulette is a masterpiece. It was created and deleloped by a genius. It was built to win in the long term EVER.
99% of players who go to the casino or even bet at home, use some kind of system, method or strategy. And they all fail in the long term.
Nowadays the wheels are very modern and it is very difficult even for computers to predict which sector of the wheel the ball will land. Moreover it's almost impossible to find a biased wheel.
And It's also almost impossible to find a dealer consistent with consistent wheel spins.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 27, 02:33 PM 2019
Roulette is a masterpiece. It was created and deleloped by a genius. It was built to win in the long term EVER.
99% of players who go to the casino or even bet at home, use some kind of system, method or strategy. And they all fail in the long term.
Nowadays the wheels are very modern and it is very difficult even for computers to predict which sector of the wheel the ball will land. Moreover it's almost impossible to find a biased wheel.
And It's also almost impossible to find a dealer consistent with consistent wheel spins.
There’s nothing genius about the creator of roulette take out the minimum /max bets and will see who the genius is I will say though that the genius is all of us because of all the ways we know how to win .its the odds but the game can still be beat .but forget about getting rich.buy a casino if you want that.
You would break even on the long term betting a wheel with no zero.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 27, 02:41 PM 2019
the genius is all of us because of all the ways we know how to win .its the odds but the game can still be beat.
Really?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=21119.0
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 27, 04:14 PM 2019
You would break even on the long term betting a wheel with no zero.
Correct. But with a very large bankroll, you probably make a steady profit using a negative progression over a lifetime in a game without table limits. In the very long term you'd be wiped out at some stage back to around a break even position.
So the game is slightly flawed in that house needs to enforce limits to claw back its edge in a practical period.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 27, 04:19 PM 2019
Really?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=21119.0
Do you own a computer probably not from my guess but It still can win .but then again I don’t think you have the know how