link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounded_set
Can this be used?
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 22, 10:12 AM 2019
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounded_set
Can this be used?
Nope. It's no more effective than a...
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You have to consider what does that have to do with where the ball lands? Ask that question for every system or bet selection method. Almost nobody asks the question. Almost every system fails. Coincidence??
Some brainiacs might even say it's not all about where the ball lands, because there are "other" ways of beating roulette. It's the same as saying AP isn't the only way. AP just means ways to improve odds.
Again, the point is way over your head.
You clearly don’t know how to think for yourself but just keep repeating old news. I don’t need a physical ball or wheel.
Sorry. Roulette is all about the wheel and ball. How is it not? Teach me. Unlike most players, I actually consider facts to be facts when they are verifiable. I don't believe in fairies. I've seen no proof of them.
This is all about the non-random idea. A lot of the mathematics such as Van der Waerden is recognised theory but unfortunately the application in advantage bet selection at roulette is useless.
The non random gurus claim they "know the way to win" yet I notice they are still desperately scrabbling around in long threads "testing" and "seeking the right application". They come up against similar problems to the Marty addicts.
Yes there are cycles, and the pigeons will eventually come home, but non of this is exploitable. EIther you don't know which dozen or colour will complete the cycle or you don't know when the cycle will end. The same with repeaters. You know there will be repeaters in a column, but you don't know when and which ones. In the end you are no further forward for advantage bet selection.
If they had the answers, they wouldn't still be asking questions. Priyanka talked a good game, but was still full of questions and equivocation.
So to conclude, as much use as a potato.
What do you think of this Mr Firefox?
Start in the top left corner on zero.
If result is red go across or if result is black go down.
Bet amount shown in the grid depending where you are.
Keep following the grid until you fall off either by going across or down.
When you fall off you will have won 20 units or lost 100 units.
The only way to lose 100 units is for exactly ten reds and ten blacks to appear within 20 spins.
Probabilty of 10 reds and 10 blacks is
20!/(20-10)!10! / (2^20) = 0.176
Probability of anything else is
1-0.176 = 0.824
Expected win/loss = -0.176 x100 + 0.824x20 = 16.48 - 17.6 = minus 1.12 units. (Assuming your figures are correct for 100/20 loss/win).
Does not look a very good idea.
There's no way to win using a staking system and numbers alone.
The figures are correct.
If I find myself up a few units after a few spins I can end the session there without allowing the balance to occur.
I should add that since we are neglecting zero, the above should sum to zero.
The house only gets a rake when zero comes up.
But your figures of 20 and 100 may be suspect. For example in the top line, if we go right across with no blacks we win 21 units, not 20.
Check my calculation of the probability and see if it is correct.
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 22, 10:12 AM 2019
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounded_set
Can this be used?
Is this directly connected to what you know?
Or is it just a general question to point in the direction on the other thread
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 23, 06:31 AM 2019
Is this directly connected to what you know?
Or is it just a general question to point in the direction on the other thread
Hi 6th, I clearly don’t know anything according to the experts so take it with a grain of salt ;)
Here’s one thing I do know. Dependence creates a bias.
This is not my assumption but a FACT.
Only listening to you here buddy..is this the best example to look at in your opinion
Sorry for off topic question, but how can i send private messages here? Can't find the option.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 23, 10:42 AM 2019
Only listening to you here buddy..is this the best example to look at in your opinion
Will email when I have a moment.
Quote from: Loc on Mar 23, 10:55 AM 2019
Sorry for off topic question, but how can i send private messages here? Can't find the option.
On the black menu to to left with blue bullets and white text , on home with items home...help.... etc there is an option called my messages and a sub option called send a message. If on mobile and can't see the black menu try clicking the three lines at the top right next to header banner, or the home icon.
Hi Mr Firefox
The units are rounded up. I have attached the PDF which explains it better than I can type.
We can play it the same for Baccarat so no need to worry about zero.
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 23, 11:06 AM 2019
Will email when I have a moment.
okey dokey thanks
Quote from: Let Me Win on Mar 23, 11:28 AM 2019
Hi Mr Firefox
The units are rounded up. I have attached the PDF which explains it better than I can type.
We can play it the same for Baccarat so no need to worry about zero.
Ok thanks for that. The pdf explains it
0.824 (x20 + y21 +z22) -0.176 (100) = 0
Where x,y,z are various fractional probabilities which sum to 0.824.
You will break even except when you encounter zero on your journey through the matrix and have to pay the zero tax, losing half what you happened to be betting on that square.
At baccarat, the chances of punto winning are less than a half and the payoff on Banco is only 19/20 meaning that you will still be expected to be down on average when you exit the matrix.
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 23, 09:06 AM 2019
Hi 6th, I clearly don’t know anything according to the experts so take it with a grain of salt ;)
Here’s one thing I do know. Dependence creates a bias.
This is not my assumption but a FACT.
Dependence on what? The numbers which have just occurred over the last 30 spins or so.
You are confusing facts with the
fallacy
Yea, you’re right. Got me there! Thanks so much for clearing it all up for me!!!
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Roulette is a game of independent trials. There is no dependency.
Quote from: Blueprint on Mar 23, 12:46 PM 2019
Yea, you’re right. Got me there! Thanks so much for clearing it all up for me!!!
No problem Blueprint :smile:
If you still want to worship at the altar of the non-random, I have found this website with the collected ramblings of Priyanka which will interest other gurus too. Few answers, mainly questions and equivocation but you know how it goes ... that's the in thing!
link:://clinandrdria5.rssing.com/chan-4018025/all_p235.html
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 23, 01:17 PM 2019
No problem Blueprint :smile:
If you still want to worship at the altar of the non-random, I have found this website with the collected ramblings of Priyanka which will interest other gurus too. Few answers, mainly questions and equivocation but you know how it goes ... that's the in thing!
link:://clinandrdria5.rssing.com/chan-4018025/all_p235.html
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Priyanka is another one of those hippie system cults where the ignorant worship and follow the words of the stupid.
Priyanka has good understanding of maths like many other gurus, but for some obscure reason seems intent on misapplying otherwise valid techniques, and beating a path up blind alleys.
Duplicate deleted.
Quote from: The General on Mar 23, 01:56 PM 2019
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Priyanka is another one of those hippie system cults where the ignorant worship and follow the words of the stupid.
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:yawn:
Ironic choice of pic as Einstein was someone who theorised roulette cannot be beaten by mathematics.
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 23, 04:26 PM 2019
Ironic choice of pic as Einstein was someone who theorised roulette cannot be beaten by mathematics.
Also ironic that he said it in passing...not from study
Quote from: The General on Mar 23, 01:04 PM 2019
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Roulette is a game of independent trials. There is no dependency.
Then how do you claim you win ??
Quote from: Madi on Mar 23, 08:58 PM 2019
Then how do you claim you win ??
Physics. :)
Why is that ur physics works over unpredictibility giving a finger down to random?
Quote from: Madi on Mar 23, 09:06 PM 2019
Why is that ur physics works over unpredictibility giving a finger down to random?
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I'm sorry, but I don't speak Yoda. Please try and rephrase your question so that it makes sense.
Ha! therein lies the problem!
One doesn’t speak yoda! ::)
"everything we hear is an opinion not a fact, everything we see is a perspective not the truth"
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