This has grown from the Matrix thread, so my thanks to Notto, Maui and those that PM'd me for testing.
The idea here is trying to beat random with random and will generally win early, In the 1500 spins I have done on R-Sim
it has only gone to 6 losses twice, which are in the posted graphs, normally won't go past a max of 5 losses in the long run
as there are random methods in place to stop a long adverse run, though that is to say it won't happen. I have good success also on the live wheel.
The Game:
We play the mat or carpet, but we only play column 2 & 3. Column 1 is a no bet and a free spin until you arrive back on col. 2 or 3
Now if the ball lands on column 2 we bet on the colour directly behind so if it lands on Black 11, we then bet on Red 14 or lands on Red 23 we then bet on Black 26 etc.
If the ball lands in Column 3 we bet the opposite way so we bet the colour in front, Black 24 we bet Red 21 or Red 30 we bet Red 27 etc.
So these two columns are bet opposite directions, this tends to break up the follow on of colour if both going in the same direction and more chance of swapping randomly onto the correct colour or will drop onto Col 1 randomly breaking up the run
being a different number of red and blacks than 2 or 3.
Column 1 is not used at all for betting as it holds the same number of red and blacks 6 & 6 and tends to behave differently.
It is also used to break up any long adverse runs, if the ball lands in this column it is a free spin no matter how many times in a row it lands, this is very important, often you will win on that column being a 50/50 but do not start your bets from it, if in the middle of a progression stop when it lands and continue only when it moves back to column 2 or 3.
You will find that many times it will break a run.
On a win, take a free spin then start your bets, but only from col 2 or 3, by giving a free spin many times it will save you and adds to the randomness of selection.
Progression is the Fibo 1,2,3,5,8,13, 21 dropping back two places on a win.
Myself, if I have not won by the 5th or 6th spin I usally do a virtual win then restart the progression as you are not too far away
to recoup quickly, you will see in the two graphs that I went to the 6th loss once, stopped and rebet. Minimal loss.
I hope you all enjoy this system
Cheers Al
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Dtown
We’re finding the best way to play the carpet; for even chance betting.
From the first matrix you posted; what positive strides are being made.
Here is a graph; not using your latest way. But the max loss of 6; is very good. Now I have seen 11; but the matrix is for only 1st 18 #’s as it just repeats in the top 18 #’s. So to get too 11 was exceptional; that the wheel could follow the column that far. Then again it is 1/37; LMAO
On the graph you see the loss; but it would have won had I bet the next spin; 6 in total. As you see back to starting bankroll.
Have sent you some mail Dtown; got to keep it secret to wind the few up.
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Got and sent thank you mate. :thumbsup:
Geez Notto, Haven't seen a run of 11 before, a stop then a vitual would maybe have saved that, kept you above the loss, but then it did dig it's way back, looks like you using the marty.
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Try these Dtown
Where did you find that lineup Notto, on a $10 bet I came out $480 down with the Fibo :sad2:, was manageable until you hit 3x14's. Stop loss and a virtual may have saved it as I only go 5x so my max would have been $80, but with a virtual restart those 14's will still have hurt me, have to look at this again. :embarrassed:
Notto, After that I changed the Prog and gave another go on R-Sim and got a bad run of blacks with #10 3x's but the changed prog pulled it through okay. I used 1,2,2,3,4 if I don't get a win on that, I restart from a virtual and carry on, so far seems to work.
Nope, Busted. Back to the original method :ooh:
now i don't have the numbers.
Just got back from Luton.
Made 17.5% on the bankroll. Never went more than 3 spins; so 1-2-4.
Looking at the last spun #'s only 1 block of 5 reds.
Notto somewhere amongst all this is the smell of money. 17.5% :thumbsup:,
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 08, 09:54 AM 2019
Notto somewhere amongst all this is the smell of money. 17.5% :thumbsup:,
I'll send you guys the newly modified bet selection. :thumbsup:
I'm laughing guys, stupid selection on colours off the Mat, probably to early to tell yet but max of 3x prog in 70 spins, this could easily be a flatbet >:D, but I'm shaking my head wondering how it works.
Notto we touched on this earlier.
Another quick run and it's still got me baffled, at the least, it's a hit and run system :question:
Maui, this is with your update mate and the Fibo. Looks real similar in progress :smile:
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I used the slalom course. Went to 4 bets twice
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Sliding through the MPR gates
Mauri and DTown just another way the usual 4 spins; makes its appearance
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looking good hairy balls; eh
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M & DTown going ok.
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re-set; consistent with other graph
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Notto check out the run of numbers, 13 reds and a triple, similar to what you had the other day, but using the last method I sent you and a new Prog (will send) didn't even look like a big drawdown, rather at this point it seems to be accumulating
quickly.
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 10, 01:42 AM 2019
Notto check out the run of numbers, 13 reds and a triple, similar to what you had the other day, but using the last method I sent you and a new Prog (will send) didn't even look like a big drawdown, rather at this point it seems to be accumulating
quickly.
Looking good DT! :thumbsup:
Is it the one you sent to both Notto and I ? ( think I'm missing something )
Not sure Maui, will resend mate, as well as new prog :thumbsup:
Hi guys, so we've changed completely from the matrix and we're betting from columns 2 and 3 on the table? On column 2 we go down a colour and on 3 we go up a colour?
I'll give it go.
Cheers.
Hi Ewar, yes that is where we're up to at the moment but we're trying a few tweaks, watch this space >:D
This is getting pretty close to being able to flat bet, though I've still got to put it through 1000 spins and I can't sit still long enough to do that :xd:
Maui mate, don't forget the free spin after the win :ooh:
Al, after a win, we spin again to get the next colour? So we don't bet immediately after a win?
Cheers.
Just used spins from the past on divide the wheel; winner.
DTown and Mauri
Mauri 1st you have to ask was BV playing fair. I hear Winkel saying to a reply is the LOTT showing?
We all know the Generals comments to this and probably disciple Foxy
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Hope the order is correct.
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Mauri
start 9/10 most common.
spins 11-40; should on average get 15 non-hit, you see at spin 40; it's 14,-1
spin 60; there's the 50/50
So a fair game on 60 spins.
Big Money; it's 0x's v 1x's; then 0x's v 1x's+>1x
So you need to know the averages; what's the max known spin for the wheel you play at.
You've hopefully got 730 sets of random.org
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Mauri spin 38 you'd be betting 14 non-hit; so 23 have come. Close enough for LOTT
The Generals laughable TROT is in blue, if you couldn't win betting for non-hit; join Foxy and General looking at wobbley wheels.
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Big Money. Repeats ?
Wait until spin 20; count how many R1's you have in 20 spins. Here you have 2; Turbo should have won on spin 13.
But this way you see out the 20 spins.
Spin 21 you bet the R1's; you can see the bet in orange; at spin 24 you win having bet 11 unit. Turbo should be laughing General.
You could re-set but carry on bet the 4 R1's for get that #24 is R3 you just use any R1's.
At spin 30 you bet 7 R1's and non-hit 12 lands. So you have to bet the 7 R1's. But if you bet just 7 units your total staked is 37 units, so you be minus. Now use the Turbo 1-5-25; you bet the 7 R1's and win with 5 unit.
Money, money
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Look next number; more money, money if you bet the 7 R1's.
But; there's always a but. R1's can go to beyond 30 spins before R2 lands. Not often; but would wins out way losses
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 10, 06:58 AM 2019
DTown and Mauri
Mauri 1st you have to ask was BV playing fair. I hear Winkel saying to a reply is the LOTT showing?
Probably not.... but that's why I wanted to test the method all over. Not just on 1 platform
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 10, 07:41 AM 2019
Big Money. Repeats ?
Wait until spin 20; count how many R1's you have in 20 spins. Here you have 2; Turbo should have won on spin 13.
But this way you see out the 20 spins.
Spin 21 you bet the R1's; you can see the bet in orange; at spin 24 you win having bet 11 unit. Turbo should be laughing General.
You could re-set but carry on bet the 4 R1's for get that #24 is R3 you just use any R1's.
At spin 30 you bet 7 R1's and non-hit 12 lands. So you have to bet the 7 R1's. But if you bet just 7 units your total staked is 37 units, so you be minus. Now use the Turbo 1-5-25; you bet the 7 R1's and win with 5 unit.
Money, money
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Look next number; more money, money if you bet the 7 R1's.
But; there's always a but. R1's can go to beyond 30 spins before R2 lands. Not often; but would wins out way losses
Notto, slow down. With my average English I'm lost AF !!! Like we said, we need to work out a method, with proper progression and test it.
Now it seems that you're playing different options etc ?
So I'm lost...
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Apr 10, 06:06 AM 2019
Al, after a win, we spin again to get the next colour? So we don't bet immediately after a win?
Cheers.
Yeah mate, a free spin
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 10, 08:29 AM 2019Notto, slow down. With my average English I'm lost AF !!! Like we said, we need to work out a method, with proper progression and test it.
Now it seems that you're playing different options etc ?
So I'm lost...
Mauri the tester shows the spins were fair. That's all i wanted to know.
Now this tester should not been in this topic; but this particular post is for Big Money if he see's it. I think he's going into Turbo country; that always loses according to General
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 10, 08:59 AM 2019
Mauri the tester shows the spins were fair. That's all i wanted to know.
Now this tester should not been in this topic; but this particular post is for Big Money if he see's it. I think he's going into Turbo country; that always loses according to General
Aaaaahhhhhh OK. That makes sense. Thanks :thumbsup:
Hahahaha I got lost soon as I flicked onto the page :ooh:
I thought I clicked onto another thread until I opened Mauri's e;mail.
Anyway with the most recent way Mauri, you came out well ahead, I made it 23 wins, 13 losses and 22 free spins
the biggest loss was only 3 in a row, which was the 0,36,6 run, though I did miss the last few numbers from the part board.
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#28 last spin. played as Mauri's #'s. decison made by dominant colour if need be.
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DTown how lucky we are you started the matrix :thumbsup:
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#28 last spin. played as Mauri's #'s. decison made by dominant colour if need be.
Notto I got 9 wins 5 losses and 8 free spins. biggest loss was 3x with 29,30,30 so that worked out quite profitable because we had 2xwins straight after
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DTown how lucky we are you started the matrix :thumbsup:
Roger that sir, and we are still playing, couldn't pay for entertainment of this calibre :thumbsup:
I shouldn't say that too loud :-X
so; does waiting help? #34 last spin :thumbsup:
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Hahahaha, do that again lol
like this
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18 lands bet would be black, lose, bet red, lose; now there's options as A&C now differ, offering red or black, so wait and see which comes, it could even be green, black lands.
So if followed A, you would have won. So C lost, see if will miss again, but black lands so bet has gone.
Just spin, black 20 lands, so use column B; see if red lands, lose, still wait, bet would be black, lose, again wait, but the bet would have been black, but lose.
Now bet red. Money, money
Mauri, Notto,
Flat bet $10 every spin for 100 spins, no trigger, no waiting, no miss a spin, just followed new matrix e;mailed to you.
looks good
up; up and away
Yes flat bet $10
$100 profit in 48 spins, and that's up, up and away? Surely you don't think such short term results are meaningful, right?
So exactly why post them?
Dtown
Don't need a phone; 100 spins, good enough. We only need to know the short term not the long run; Gazillion of spins
DTown;mauri
$10 or $1
100 spins :lol:
This is the usual; go make your millions.
You never know, we might just be able to do that, even with out a phone.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 14, 11:54 AM 2019
DTown;mauri
$10 or $1
100 spins :lol:
This is the usual; go make your millions.
You never know, we might just be able to do that, even with out a phone.
GOOD JOB Notto!
Ok now to confirm - email Dtown and me just so that we are all on the same page as to the method.
I was out this weekend, trying to do some catch up.
Ok notto. I understand you've already made your millions. That's why you spend so much time betting play money.
After all this time, you still don't understand the gazillion spin thing.
;)
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Forget the gazillion test just smash it mauri; this is the Generals gold standard Random.org
Notto, showing how little you know, while acting like you're smart, is not impressive. Its your money Notto. I really don't care.
Thought you might like
Saint Steve
As much as i would like to carry on; i can't, hospital appointment
But Mauri or DTown could produce this; with the old 1-2
Quote from: Steve on Apr 15, 06:58 AM 2019
Notto, showing how little you know, while acting like you're smart, is not impressive. Its your money Notto. I really don't care.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 15, 10:31 AM 2019The other option is play lots with smaller stakes. But this is a real grind.
Like on R-sim or even your MPR, it's what we are doing
I was referring to methods that increase accuracy of predictions.
Thought just round up the units
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 15, 06:43 PM 2019
Thought just round up the units
Hi Notto, there are five columns in your screenshots. But for those of us not familiar with MPR, what are the headers above that data? The only data i recognize is the 1.08 on the far right. Pretty sure i know what that means. Also, what is the largest drawdown for this period? Does the MPR measure that?
Quote from: Still on Apr 15, 07:46 PM 2019
Hi Notto, there are five columns in your screenshots. But for those of us not familiar with MPR, what are the headers above that data? The only data i recognize is the 1.08 on the far right. Pretty sure i know what that means. Also, what is the largest drawdown for this period? stop on Marty at 64 Does the MPR measure that? No
CALLING Mauri & DTown
The waiting game
Gents 8 spins the longest to get the win; But look at the spins before 80th spin mega money
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 16, 02:40 PM 2019
CALLING Mauri & DTown
The waiting game
Gents 8 spins the longest to get the win; But look at the spins before 80th spin mega money
Come on.... spit it out! :xd: Pop us a mail!
Mauri it's the old 1-2; just thought i'd wait 4 spins; you can see it dont happen that much
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 16, 02:40 PM 2019
CALLING Mauri & DTown
The waiting game
Gents 8 spins the longest to get the win; But look at the spins before 80th spin mega money
You mean - 4 spins to get the win 1,2,4,8 in progression?
Come on .... send us the mail already! :thumbsup: :twisted:
I waited for the trigger to miss 4 times then bet; so the worst of the bets took 8 spins in total.
But look where waiting; the trigger is winning
Look how long to get the last bet.
Scrap that 9 spins to many
Mauri
Sssssssssh it's posted to you
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Onward
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Notto, Mauri,
Running a test for tomorrow at the casino and look what happens.
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 17, 06:43 AM 2019
Notto, Mauri,
Running a test for tomorrow at the casino and look what happens.
Still came out on top right? I mean with your test.
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 17, 06:45 AM 2019
Still came out on top right? I mean with your test.
why plolp still doesn’t want to share his HG with you ?
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DTown and Mauri don't know if it's bed time in your part of the world.
This is for just another way.
Just another way and there's the usual 5 spins to get the win
DTown no free spin the only thing i've done is after spin 37 i moved column, if you've read your post you should no why.
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 06, 05:46 AM 2019The Game:
We play the mat or carpet, but we only play column 2 & 3. Column 1 is a no bet and a free spin until you arrive back on col. 2 or 3
Now if the ball lands on column 2 we bet on the colour directly behind so if it lands on Black 11, we then bet on Red 14 or lands on Red 23 we then bet on Black 26 etc.
If the ball lands in Column 3 we bet the opposite way so we bet the colour in front, Black 24 we bet Red 21 or Red 30 we bet Red 27 etc.
So these two columns are bet opposite directions, this tends to break up the follow on of colour if both going in the same direction and more chance of swapping randomly onto the correct colour or will drop onto Col 1 randomly breaking up the run
being a different number of red and blacks than 2 or 3.
Column 1 is not used at all for betting as it holds the same number of red and blacks 6 & 6 and tends to behave differently.
It is also used to break up any long adverse runs, if the ball lands in this column it is a free spin no matter how many times in a row it lands, this is very important, often you will win on that column being a 50/50 but do not start your bets from it, if in the middle of a progression stop when it lands and continue only when it moves back to column 2 or 3.
You will find that many times it will break a run.
On a win, take a free spin then start your bets, but only from col 2 or 3, by giving a free spin many times it will save you and adds to the randomness of selection.
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Does this lose the above way #35 so bet black for the #2
Got to pop out; just like to say hope you're well Winkel.
I still use the GUT :thumbsup:
Where is winkles post?
He didn't post, but it's his theory.
Ty firefox ...mystery solved
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Onward
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Is this supposed to impress someone? ::)
Yes it impresses many people ....in fact its already gone viral on the net
Quote from: The General on Apr 18, 01:23 AM 2019
Is this supposed to impress someone? ::)
It is and it does, within a group of us there are slight variations to this system that we are using on different platforms to optimise this as best we can. This information lets us know the progress.
Cheers
Al
Quote from: The General on Apr 18, 01:23 AM 2019
Is this supposed to impress someone? ::)
Hahahaha, it interested you, didn't it!
Yes we impress people, constantly performs exactly how we think it should.
DTown and Mauri
You know the old 1-2
So #24 indicates to bet red and win. Now the free spin; so we sat out the spin shown by (f) and the #25 indicates to bet black, and win. Again free spin, this spin gives #15; it indicates to bet red and win.
Now these spins are from the legendary Random.org; that the 2 main experts say to use for testing, that’s right Saint Steve?
Mauri you want to make 10; 10 units or 10 lots of 10; 100 units.
I've got your target. Anyone can go on and see if it goes more than the marty 1-2-4-8-16.
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Now the Random.org made the target.
Now if you go to the non-hit time tables; there you should see 10'330 spins from the General.
Did use the fall 1-2-4-8-16
Target reached Mauri
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General; where's that green arrow you post showing going up
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 05:04 AM 2019
Now the Random.org made the target.
Now if you go to the non-hit time tables; there you should see 10'330 spins from the General.
Did use the fall 1-2-4-8-16
Target reached Mauri
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the blank spaces are losses?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Apr 18, 06:56 AM 2019
the blank spaces are losses?
Correct :thumbsup:
Quote from: RFMAXX on Apr 18, 06:56 AM 2019
the blank spaces are losses?
No they are holes
As Notto has too much holes in his story, his playstyle doesn’t differ much, it has also lots of holes :)
The only thing that increase for you; is your watched rate :xd:
Bleater; the circling 2;3
You stick to; what do you actually do, oh yes slag people off.
Roulettebleatter
PM the general we're still going up :xd:
DTown and M13
I forgot i was circling with 2&3. Good job DT with the wait part.
Do you feel the number indicating the even chance to bet should have a unit as well; the number of times it gave the colour by that number.
DTown
Been going over reply 8 page 1. I'll post you the result from circling the 2&3; as we don't want the likes of member roulette B; on this good method.
DTown M13
good research on circling 2&3
The 4 shots are one session; but trying to get just 20 spins and remember where free spinning, well.
Out those 4 shots; they account for 24 played spins.
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The circle bet won at +90 and froze. Re-connect and won the +10 so Mauri your +100
Obviously #21 is first number/spin
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Roulette beater
For a method that's fall of holes; you have been looking a long time. I guess you need it :smile:
Has anyone at all tested the progression proposed by the author of the topic?
Assuming we play black all the time.
Mauri
Made a unit. The question is what size unit you want to use?
:thumbsup: :wink:
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Not my numbers; but can't find a losing run.
Notto just did this, only 50 spins I know at $10 units, but largest drop was only a x2 at any time, now this has to be getting closer to flat bet.
Hi gentlemen, is it possible to share any highlights please? Thanks a lot
I asked for tests after several thousand spins.
Progresion of this type can withstand up to 5 k spins and then dive, so I'm asking for results, not 50 spins sessions
I would test cutting losses after 5 steps, and my theory is that the more we play, the more long series happen
Just in this time progression must earn more than lose, which is why I am curious, because this approach to limited progression is interesting
50 games all using +1/-1
Just win a unit.
DTown
try these MPR earlier
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Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 18, 05:00 AM 2019
DTown and Mauri
You know the old 1-2
So #24 indicates to bet red and win. Now the free spin; so we sat out the spin shown by (f) and the #25 indicates to bet black, and win. Again free spin, this spin gives #15; it indicates to bet red and win.
Now these spins are from the legendary Random.org; that the 2 main experts say to use for testing, that’s right Saint Steve?
Mauri you want to make 10; 10 units or 10 lots of 10; 100 units.
I've got your target. Anyone can go on and see if it goes more than the marty 1-2-4-8-16.
(24,1,25,33,15,18)
Hello Notto, I do not understand why you bet after the number 25 as it is in the first column? From what I understood you wait until ball lands on 2nd or 3rd column to bet. I hope you can explain. Thanks and keep up the good work all the three of you guys! :D
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 22, 05:17 AM 2019
:thumbsup:
Hello Downtown, so are you still using the go up on 3rd column and go down on 2nd, and when it lands 1st column no bet until it gets to either 2nd or 3rd right? The matrix you posted is not used anymore?
Thanks for the method! Keep it up.
DTown
Last night i was trying with the wheel; main prob i had was using 100 unit with +1/-1; Lost 5000 units but went up leaderboard.
Now Rico
The carpet offers a few ways to attack the even chance.
What you discribe; i call circling, with the column 1 left out like DTown said. Just now won the 5000 units back :thumbsup:
Don't have to scroll down leaderboard now as that 5000 moved me up.
Onward General.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 22, 04:12 PM 2019
Now Rico
The carpet offers a few ways to attack the even chance.
What you discribe; i call circling, with the column 1 left out like DTown said. Just now won the 5000 units back :thumbsup:
Thanks for the reply Notto, so how do you attack the roulette? with the matrix? or a combination of matrix and the "circling"? Can you explain. Thank you! :D :thumbsup:
Also another question for the three of you, what happens when it hits 35? as you can't go down on that do you wait or bet the same color (black), also any best progression for this method, I read fibonacci until 5 losses then go back 2 (virtual win right). :twisted: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 22, 04:12 PM 2019
DTown
Last night i was trying with the wheel; main prob i had was using 100 unit with +1/-1; Lost 5000 units but went up leaderboard.
Notto theres a bit more work I think to tie those colour selections back to the wheel but those number/colour groupings have got to be relative.
Quote from: Ricochet100 on Apr 22, 08:42 PM 2019
Also another question for the three of you, what happens when it hits 35? as you can't go down on that do you wait or bet the same color (black), also any best progression for this method, I read fibonacci until 5 losses then go back 2 (virtual win right). :twisted: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
There are the two ways to do this, either stay with the last colour in the column or step into the next column as in a circle, I usually decide by which colour has been prominent, such as if its been black then I'll go back to the top of column 2, if reds then I circle back up column 3
Notto, Mauri,
Went onto live and used the number/colour matrix.
So the matrix picked the colour, then I bet on the corresponding numbers on the wheel, to keep the amount of numbers down I only bet on ten numbers in the neighbours of zero sector. So using the mat, then picking that colour which says is due off the matrix, then when in the right sector
according to the guide bet on the numbers, remembering that 3 on the wheel is red, on the matrix it is black so you're picking all the black numbers that correspond which in this case is only 10. All wins were within 3x, that being said the hit rate is probably right for the neighbours being 17 numbers, but in this case we get it from 10.
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 23, 03:38 AM 2019
Notto, Mauri,
Went onto live and used the number/colour matrix.
So the matrix picked the colour, then I bet on the corresponding numbers on the wheel, to keep the amount of numbers down I only bet on ten numbers in the neighbours of zero sector. So using the mat, then picking that colour which says is due off the matrix, then when in the right sector
according to the guide bet on the numbers, remembering that 3 on the wheel is red, on the matrix it is black so you're picking all the black numbers that correspond which in this case is only 10. All wins were within 3x, that being said the hit rate is probably right for the neighbours being 17 numbers, but in this case we get it from 10.
Good job DTown!!! :thumbsup:
Do me a favour please, as I think I might have missed that mail somewhere. Please send me the new sector betting method.
No problem mate, on it's way. :thumbsup:
Run a quick test on your selection Mauri, I must have done something wrong or maybe another Prog, were you using Marty
1st
Perhaps a random wheel ride; for odd/even.
Now the graph shows BR 150; that's the 1-2-4-8 covered.
How long for a 5 spin run?
The old free spin DT & M
So it got caught twice. But they both hit with in 6 spins. But still a profit made.
I still think the actual mat is best for the even chance betting over trying to make a matrix of the wheel.
Looks like another Martingale like system. It wins until it doesn't.
Quote from: The General on Apr 23, 12:43 PM 2019
Looks like another Martingale like system. It wins until it doesn't.
Thanks
DTown
The wheel going down
Well trying the other way looks doomed
So the random carpet way big unit but you got to believe in the method :thumbsup:
Took a hit on circling 84th spin but it came good, like we know
The ?is how often are you losing 6 in row fir me that’s a double loss
Quote from: Winner on Apr 23, 02:40 PM 2019
The ?is how often are you losing 6 in row fir me that’s a double loss
Winner the above is not the random carpet; it was trying a matrix of the wheel.
But this is the random carpet; or circling 2&3 and no bet if column 1, also the free spin after a win.
Big money
The above the circling 2&3 won.
So i thought let's have a go for Turbo repeat. Will post that in KTF. Here are the 45 spins; that the circling method would win with.
The waiting game on circling2&3
Hey notto
Whats your staking plan that you use with this ?
I use the dreaded martingale.
Been okay when at B+M only had to use 1-2-4-8.
If you know the bet and the free spin you can play the waiting game, wait for 3 or 4 losses on the column and then bet, but the wait can be long.
So what does the long wait tell you about the method?
The waiting game, remember the free spin
There is a mathematical proof that waiting or virtual makes absolutely no difference to anything but still you and others carry on oblivious.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Apr 24, 01:38 PM 2019
There is a mathematical proof that waiting or virtual makes absolutely no difference to anything but still you and others carry on oblivious.
Thank you :thumbsup:
Quote from: Let Me Win on Apr 24, 01:38 PM 2019
There is a mathematical proof that waiting or virtual makes absolutely no difference to anything but still you and others carry on oblivious.
HAHAHA - Notto.... another "math boy" :twisted:
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 24, 01:18 PM 2019
I use the dreaded martingale.
Been okay when at B+M only had to use 1-2-4-8.
If you know the bet and the free spin you can play the waiting game, wait for 3 or 4 losses on the column and then bet, but the wait can be long.
So what does the long wait tell you about the method?
Hello Notto, so the method would be "circling" go up on 2nd and go down on 3rd column with a staking plan of 1-2-4-8, wait for 3-4 losses then start betting (column 1 is free spin). Also what happens when the ball lands on 35 Black, you cannot go down, same as 3 red you cannot go up. Do you wait? Thank you! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 24, 02:20 PM 2019
HAHAHA - Notto.... another "math boy" :twisted:
Hahaha :-\ our universe is governed by mathematics :-\
How can you possibly argue against an absolute proof?
You are a disgrace to the human race.
Virtual bets and waiting for runs makes no difference. The wheel has no memory.
An adverse run of 8 now, has the same probability as it did before, no matter what the previous spins were.
However, hypothetical bets and waiting around have one advantage! You are not betting and exposing money to the house edge. You will therefore lose less in the long run, not because you will avoid an adverse run, but because you are betting less frequently.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Apr 24, 07:58 PM 2019
Hahaha :-\ our universe is governed by mathematics :-\
How can you possibly argue against an absolute proof?
So Math boy - do me a favor. Give me the equation why we have repeats? Come on, universe is governed by maths! So this one should be easy.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Apr 24, 07:58 PM 2019
You are a disgrace to the human race.
If you cannot answer my first question - take a look in the mirror buddy :thumbsup:
Quote from: Firefox on Apr 24, 08:27 PM 2019
Virtual bets and waiting for runs makes no difference. The wheel has no memory.
An adverse run of 8 now, has the same probability as it did before, no matter what the previous spins were.
However, hypothetical bets and waiting around have one advantage! You are not betting and exposing money to the house edge. You will therefore lose less in the long run, not because you will avoid an adverse run, but because you are betting less frequently.
I always value your input. You keep it clean, without being rude to people. And that's why I don't mind your answers. Not like the guy before you who is nothing less than a troll to me.
You and I have had this conversation. ( I think ) Btw - I'm going to try and sound smart by pasting some stuff from Wikipedia. :xd:
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette (link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette)
Now don't waste your time, I'll tell you what I want in this article. The word "repeat" is used only 2 times throughout, and not in the context of repeating numbers.
So I have a simple question - we see the math part clearly in this article, but I want someone who keeps singing the same song, to show me the math where it makes provision for repeats on a roulette wheel. ( mind you, sleepers, non sleepers, uniques etc etc. )
So this is me, drinking tea @ 5am in the morning - I cannot understand that there is "no???" math equation that can explain it?
Anyway, I'm not 100% awake so this might not even make sense. :lol: and I actually don't want to take away anything from DownTown who started this post.
Have a good day Firefox, we'll chat again!
Maui, I've given the math for repeats a few times now. It's really not that complicated.
Daring someone to give it, as if were magic and complicated, is a problem. You really need to work on the basics.
The graph here is of one system on the mat we discarded through poor performance, there are no missed spins through virtual or otherwise no maths involved, though I did try that aspect, purely trying to get one random line to cross another. So for us that don't have a computer in our socks or are mathematical wizards we are left with random and that is what we are trying to achieve, a system that will give us some success on the table and not playing thousands of spins at 0.1 of a unit. If I can walk into the casino play 50 spins and walk out a few hundred up, then that to me is a successful system, if I walk out 10 dollars up I'm still a winner.
I was watching one member here who post consistent wins, as you can get on and watch the play, 32 spins and wins 2 units which goes onto his accumulated total, doesn't show the losses, but which overall makes it look like he's found a magic formula, well try doing that in the real world at $10 a bet, no disrespect intended, we all have our ways.
As I said, no disrespect to anybody but this thread is for Random on the table and the graph is one that didn't work that well but the point about it is trying a new progression that I haven't tried before, I usually tend towards the Fibo, Notto and Mauri the Marty, this run once went to six spins, reason why we discarded it also wins not as frequent, but the new prog pulled it through nicely without the big drawdown, I think it's a good combination of the prog's and is called the stretched martingale, 1,1,3,5,11,21 which seems to suit this system.
Cheers Al
You can expect a repeat once every 37 pairs of numbers. So, with 36 numbers we have 35 pairs of numbers. So, the expected number of repeats is 35/37 = 0.9459.
It's not rocket science it's kindergarten maths.
Let's paste from Wikipedia to show how smart I am!
In the field of psychology, the Dunningâ€"Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence.
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 24, 11:20 PM 2019So Math boy - do me a favor. Give me the equation why we have repeats?
What kind of repeats do you mean? Obviously since there are only 37 possible outcomes then there must be a repeat on the 38th spin, and if you mean the last number hitting again on the next spin, since every number has an equal chance, namely 1/37, it means that the chance of the last number repeating is also 1/37, so there will be a repeat once every 37 spins on average.
Go on "round earth guy", tell us about reality.
Notto, Mauri
Getting closer, I know it's only 50 spins but flatbet on every spin.
Played the same way, 50 spins, but with the stretched Marty, obviously total is higher.
Dtown and M
The free spin
11 spins, 10 units - Ciao :thumbsup:
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Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 26, 08:37 AM 2019
11 spins, 10 units - Ciao :thumbsup:
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Don't you mean 11'000 spins
BWHAAHAHA - Notto you silly goat :xd:
But really the joke is on you because you can't grasp or understand that lots of mini sessions (also referred to as hit and run) will always eventually add up exactly the same as one long continuous session.
Mauri, Notto
This system of random carpet is getting predictive now, still only 100 spins but I really don't do more than that on a visit,
so in the graphs are 100 spins each averaging $400, now this was the method we were working on, pick the column, colour spun
black go down, red go across, take the majority, play every spin, so over 100 spins and I only went 4x the once, common was only 3x.
I only put up 2 graphs as they are all pretty much the same.
A lot more choppy session, twice out to 4x but end result the same, 100 spins for 400 units not out :thumbsup:
Starting to wonder now if this is a max or a base line for this system, depending on the prog used of course.
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 27, 04:28 AM 2019
Mauri, Notto
This system of random carpet is getting predictive now, still only 100 spins but I really don't do more than that on a visit,
so in the graphs are 100 spins each averaging $400, now this was the method we were working on, pick the column, colour spun
black go down, red go across, take the majority, play every spin, so over 100 spins and I only went 4x the once, common was only 3x.
I only put up 2 graphs as they are all pretty much the same.
Black go down red go across I thought you were going up on the third colum
M&D
It's coming together Boys
Notto, Mauri
Consistency seems to be the key now, same thing, 100 spins equals about the 400 unit mark. Even took a 4x
drawdown 4 times so it was a more volatile game than normal but pretty sure the progression manages to keep
it pretty level at the end. e;mail sent :thumbsup:
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 27, 04:28 AM 2019
Mauri, Notto
black go down, red go across, take the majority,
Used to be black column (middle) go down, red column (right side, far side) go up. Take the majority? I wouldn't mind some clarification as i am experimenting a little on MPR.
One way to progress upwards might be to cover the color majority column that matches your current color.
Hi Still, most times you will find that the last spin picks the majority colour and will pick the next column for you.
Notto I was watching your game, hope that wasn't the last one we talked about.
My last, no change, still averaging out 400u for 100 spins not out.
Just trying different ways.
Been playing around with this idea and although you are playing against the random wheel I like that the original idea you described playing Col 2 & 3 only made a little sense in that it kept play random with some strict rules. It required the wheel to play a certain pattern before you ran out of chips. So you have a fighting chance to get a positive edge. There is still risk of money management getting out out of control so this will be key. Fibonacci is a good idea to avoid doing a Marty and betting for multiple wins to profit by using a +1(Loss) -2(Win) on the 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 etc Fibonacci scale.
Now if you have confidence in this bet selection try combining this bet with another to maybe create a more superior inside bet that may actually overcome variance.
Cheers,
Ricky
Thanks for the positive input Ricky, when I first started out with this I was using The Fibo prog but starting at 1,2,3,5, etc so I dropped the first unit,
and you're on the right track, we have been trying to combine selection process for the variance and it does lead to a lot of virtual spins, but with the, as you say, right Progression it becomes a pretty reliable system.
What we are trying to achieve at the moment is a right combo hence the graphs, to maybe cut down on the virtuals and Notto, Mauri and myself are closing in from different angles off the same approach if you know what I mean.
Cheers Al
Mauri sent you some mail
Mauri
Compare
M13 & DT
i randomised the free spin
Work that out!
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 28, 11:47 AM 2019
Work that out!
Notto you Beast you!
Send that e-mail! :xd:
Circling; made the 10 units Mauri
Mauri
Like the MPR testing
Made the target
The lunatics are in the house
Mauri 13 & Dtown
sSSSSSSSHHHHH mad or what
Don't knock it till you try it
M13
Profit?
N/M
Fell a little short of my 400u in 100 today so had to go a little longer, but still got there. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 29, 10:04 PM 2019
N/M
Fell a little short of my 400u in 100 today so had to go a little longer, but still got there. :thumbsup:
Downtown - you've hit the sweet spot mate!!! Good job! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Tried with triggers, slowed the game down, but starting to look like good for the long haul. Only went to 4x loss the once.
Okay I went away from the triggers and back to bet every spin, got off to a slow start as was a little up and down so fell a bit short of the mark
but evened out. Max drawdown over 100 spins was 3x :thumbsup:
Notto, Mauri
Link for playing live, no rego, have 10 tables to choose from link:s://:.vivogaming.com/demo/
Haven't tested them over properly yet but so far so good. Not having to wait 10mins per spin :thumbsup:
Mauri, Notto
E;mail sent >:D
only a few spins; getting my head around the new approach. Saint only a few; but we could say job done.
Nathen Detroit; play at your own risk, newbies
That's not bad Notto, only out to 3x the once, once you get the feeling for it as in your other one you just got to make the right decision
for the majority or it'll take you for the ride lol
I'm trying to code this in RX, what happens when you start with a number like 35? do you bet on the color that 2 is on? Same for 3, do you bet on the color that 36 is on?
Quote from: shoust on Apr 30, 07:30 PM 2019
I'm trying to code this in RX, what happens when you start with a number like 35? do you bet on the color that 2 is on? Same for 3, do you bet on the color that 36 is on?
That's the one :thumbsup:
Notto/Mauri
Changed it slightly, seems a bit better result, column for 1,1,3, then did the breakaway for the next two, 5,11, always hit the first time.
The column usually picks up in first three doing circuit, if not, then we know we're on the wrong circuit and compensate.
Now picking up the 400 units faster.
Manually testing 85 spins takes time, and the results are extremely statistically irrelevant. Basically the results are meaningless. You wasted part of your life. You'll need to manually test for like months for any kind of meaningful results.
But you can test 100,000 spins in about 20 seconds with a program like roulette xtreme.
Don't tell me you don't need to test with so many spins. You do. You guys need to understand why, and stop posting bullshit short-term charts.
Learn to code with roulette xtreme. Everyone should. Do that, and you'll progress much quicker.
If someone wants to PM me the latest selection, and/or progression, the one that's producing all these good looking charts, i'd be happy to put it into Excel with macros reading off of Wiesbaden spins, sooner than later. I'm on a mission lately. I don't know why i think this might have a chance, but i'm willing to expend some gun powder on a test. Looking at about a five day turn-around with everything that's on my plate at the moment.
Quote from: Downtown on Apr 06, 05:46 AM 2019
This has grown from the Matrix thread, so my thanks to Notto, Maui and those that PM'd me for testing.
The idea here is trying to beat random with random and will generally win early, In the 1500 spins I have done on R-Sim
it has only gone to 6 losses twice, which are in the posted graphs, normally won't go past a max of 5 losses in the long run
as there are random methods in place to stop a long adverse run, though that is to say it won't happen. I have good success also on the live wheel.
The Game:
We play the mat or carpet, but we only play column 2 & 3. Column 1 is a no bet and a free spin until you arrive back on col. 2 or 3
Now if the ball lands on column 2 we bet on the colour directly behind so if it lands on Black 11, we then bet on Red 14 or lands on Red 23 we then bet on Black 26 etc.
If the ball lands in Column 3 we bet the opposite way so we bet the colour in front, Black 24 we bet Red 21 or Red 30 we bet Red 27 etc.
So these two columns are bet opposite directions, this tends to break up the follow on of colour if both going in the same direction and more chance of swapping randomly onto the correct colour or will drop onto Col 1 randomly breaking up the run
being a different number of red and blacks than 2 or 3.
Column 1 is not used at all for betting as it holds the same number of red and blacks 6 & 6 and tends to behave differently.
It is also used to break up any long adverse runs, if the ball lands in this column it is a free spin no matter how many times in a row it lands, this is very important, often you will win on that column being a 50/50 but do not start your bets from it, if in the middle of a progression stop when it lands and continue only when it moves back to column 2 or 3.
You will find that many times it will break a run.
On a win, take a free spin then start your bets, but only from col 2 or 3, by giving a free spin many times it will save you and adds to the randomness of selection.
Progression is the Fibo 1,2,3,5,8,13, 21 dropping back two places on a win.
Myself, if I have not won by the 5th or 6th spin I usally do a virtual win then restart the progression as you are not too far away
to recoup quickly, you will see in the two graphs that I went to the 6th loss once, stopped and rebet. Minimal loss.
I hope you all enjoy this system
Cheers Al
Hi all,
you all use the method from the first post, or was there any changes? If yes, which changes?
I will make a bot for this method in JavaScript and share it.
Best regards
What to do if Zero get hit?
I will make a quick video, to see if i understand your method,
If yes i start to make the bot.
Best regards
What to if 3 or 35 get hit?
Well I wasted time on 85 spins today so I thought I'd waste more time and go 86 spins that way we are getting further down the track
and you wouldn't believe it, but after 86 spins there's that 400 units again. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Downtown on May 01, 05:10 AM 2019What to if 3 or 35 get hit?
What to do if 3 or 35 get hit?
DTown
Looking at 40 spin on our graphs we're pretty close to the same win rate.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 01, 05:25 AM 2019
DTown
Looking at 40 spin on our graphs we're pretty close to the same win rate.
What to do if 3 or 35 get hit? Free Spin?
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Quote from: webstars on May 01, 05:05 AM 2019
What to if 3 or 35 get hit?
This method has changed since the first posting of it,
WHERE WE ARE NOW
We still use column 2 & 3
We now bet on every spin
Starting at Black 2 that gives the colour of your first spin
You bet on Black
Going down your next number is Red 5
So your next bet is on Red
Going down your next number is Black 8
So your next bet is Black
and so on .
Now when you get to Black 35 you move across to column 3
So now your first bet Is off number 39 Red
So you are betting Red head back up the column
Now when you get to Red 3,
You move back to column 2 and carry on from 2 Black
If you get a zero ignore and keep your line going.
The progression is 1,1,3,5,110,210 being the stretched Martingale
There are better progressions but they do slow the game a lot so what suits your B/R
I also find the Fibo quite suitable @ 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21
Now this is not the final version yet as what we are working on has a choice involved
how do you compensate for that in RX.
Thank you for the help to all those that have offered, it is much appreciated.
NOTTO/MAURI anything else you guys wish to add please do so.
Cheers Al
Notto you slay me lololol :xd:
Thanks for a explantation,
Here a losing streak just get for this system. Where do you play?
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Wow that gave me a kylie minogue, got me spinning around.
Quote from: Downtown on May 01, 05:33 AM 2019
This method has changed since the first posting of it,
WHERE WE ARE NOW
We still use column 2 & 3
We now bet on every spin
Starting at Black 2 that gives the colour of your first spin
You bet on Black
Going down your next number is Red 5
So your next bet is on Red
Going down your next number is Black 8
So your next bet is Black
and so on .
Now when you get to Black 35 you move across to column 3
So now your first bet Is off number 39 Red
So you are betting Red head back up the column
Now when you get to Red 3,
You move back to column 2 and carry on from 2 Black
If you get a zero ignore and keep your line going.
The progression is 1,1,3,5,110,210 being the stretched Martingale
There are better progressions but they do slow the game a lot so what suits your B/R
I also find the Fibo quite suitable @ 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21
Now this is not the final version yet as what we are working on has a choice involved
how do you compensate for that in RX.
Thank you for the help to all those that have offered, it is much appreciated.
NOTTO/MAURI anything else you guys wish to add please do so.
Cheers Al
In fact i like the selection of the betting colour very much.
The Problem is the progression you get 1 unit for investing 61 in 6 rounds. You say:
The progression is 1,1,3,5,110,210 this is 620 units to win 1 unit... come on...
I prefer to use D'alambert progression with a fixed target.
Lets say progression start with 100$ you target 105$. This means:
Progression: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 if win 1 back, means i invest 30 in 10 rounds and for a win of 5 units.
It works very well so far. Made 30% in 30 minutes so far.
Thanks for sharing this great bet selection method.
:twisted:
Best regards
Webstars
Old Foxy said it takes away the decision making, by following the columns.
As said when the colour matrix 1st posted; would it not be better to use the carpet as that matrix is staring you in the face.
The mat/carpet matrix gives so many options.
Now; say you followed the numerical order 1-2-3-4-5 up to 36; betting the colour for the number. Would the no memory wheel follow that?
So there’s one option. Look and you’ll see more
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 02:05 AM 2019
Manually testing 85 spins takes time, and the results are extremely statistically irrelevant. Basically the results are meaningless. You wasted part of your life. You'll need to manually test for like months for any kind of meaningful results.
But you can test 100,000 spins in about 20 seconds with a program like roulette xtreme.
Don't tell me you don't need to test with so many spins. You do. You guys need to understand why, and stop posting bullshit short-term charts.
Learn to code with roulette xtreme. Everyone should. Do that, and you'll progress much quicker.
I agree that it's worth learning how to code, but if you're going to invest the time and effort (many people find coding hard to learn) then IMO you should learn a more general programming language and not one specifically designed for roulette coding. You can do so much more with a language like Python or even BASIC than you can with RX.
And actually you don't need thousands or hundreds of thousands of trials to determine whether a result is statistically significant. If you use statistical hypothesis tests even data from 100 bets can tell you whether your results are better than random or not. If you're testing complex systems it might be a better use of your time to learn some inferential statistics rather than how to code, but ideally you should learn both.
Dtown
The C1
How many spins does it take to clear the column
Dtown i re-read the mail.
I can feel the Saint coming
For you Dtown; is it like piss water?
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Can you feel it coming that reminds me Of the Saint's coming LMAO and just love that Advert; Steve trading (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/05/01/source6d3ca.gif) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/eIMbF)
Im here, to spread thy words of wisdom.
The difference between payout and odds doesn't mattereth.
When you won over 20 spins, rejoice, for you have the hg, my child.
Repeaters have to happeneth. So, like, you can totally use this knowledge.
Casinos are afraid of repeaters.
All the statisticians and gaming experts don't know about the secrets of repeaters enabling players to win millions. Eth.
Notto is wise, educated, and knowledgeable.
Forsake all losing accounts. Create another. Forget thy loses. Your system rocks.
Forsake all experienced players, playeth for funeth moneyeth.
Amen.
.
Quote from: webstars on May 01, 05:40 AM 2019
Thanks for a explantation,
Here a losing streak just get for this system. Where do you play?
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This system losing.
Why you ignore this???
Blah blah blah all you like. Sooner or later you'll come around to reality. I didn't make this universe's rules. Nobody cares about your losses. Just dont drag others down with you. But they'd need to be pretty dim themselves.
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 07:11 AM 2019When you won over 20 spins, rejoice, for you have the hg, my child.
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I've won only 5 spins
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Wow your right Saint only 8 spins the HG
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Dtown you know the order. Take those blacks all day long.
Like webstars column 2 blacks lovely blacks
Good job notto. Keep winning. :thumbsup:
Dtown forget what Simon Templar goes on about. Like you said the prog gets it back.
Off out now to buy a bike
C Ya Later Saint
Someone could make an example?
I don't understand how i bet every spin.
Thanks in advance!!
Regards!!
Quote from: nottophammer on May 01, 07:59 AM 2019
Off out now to buy a bike
C Ya Later Saint
Thank God for pension.
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Quote from: Downtown on May 01, 05:33 AM 2019has a choice involved
Do you mind to provide more details so we can do more proper testing and get back to you guys with more results? Even it't not a final version yet.
Ok, coded the system almost to the letter, first time coding a RX system.
Differences between the code and the first post:
No virtual wins, progression resets after 7.
system "random carpet ride draft"
{
system "random carpet ride draft"
{Fibo Progression and TRIGGER code}
//No triggers, based on forum post in rouletteforum.cc
method "main"
begin
While starting a new session
begin
Input Data "Enter your starting Bankroll" to Bankroll
Set List [1,2,3,5,8,13,21] to Record "progression" Data
Put 1 to Record "progression" Data index
Set Flag "Ready" to False
Set Flag "FS" to False
Put 0 to Record "pos" data
Put 0 to Record "col" data
end
while on each spin
begin
If Red has lost each time
begin
call "add prog"
end
If Black has lost each time
begin
call "add prog"
end
If Red has won each time
begin
call "reduce prog"
Set Flag "FS" to False
end
If Black has won each time
begin
call "reduce prog"
Set Flag "FS" to False
end
If Flag "FS" is False
Begin
If Column B have hit each time or Column C have hit each time
begin
Copy Last Column to Record "LC" layout
Copy Last Number to Record "LN" layout
if Record "LC" layout = Column B
begin
Put 2 to Record "col" data
End
Else
begin
Put 3 to Record "col" data
End
If Flag "Ready" is False
begin
Call "new spin"
end
Else
Begin
Call "next spin"
end
If Record "colp" data = 2
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" data on Red
end
Else
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" data on Black
end
end
End
End
Else
Begin
Set Flag "FS" to false
End
End
method "add prog"
begin
add 1 to Record "progression" Data Index
if Record "progression" Data index > 7
begin
Call "Reset prog"
end
end
method "reset prog"
begin
put 1 to Record "progression" Data Index
Set Flag "Ready" to false
end
method "reduce prog"
begin
if Record "progression" Data index < 3
begin
call "reset prog"
end
Else
begin
subtract 2 to Record "progression" Data index
end
Set Flag "ready" to false
end
method "scroll right"
begin
add 1 to Record "colp" data index
if Record "colp" data index >12
begin
put 1 to Record "colp" data index
end
end
method "scroll left"
begin
subtract 1 to Record "colp" data index
if Record "colp" data index = 0
begin
put 12 to Record "colp" data index
end
end
method "new spin"
begin
if Record "col" data <3
begin
Set List [1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1] to Record "colp" Data //2,5,8 column
end
else
begin
Set List [2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,2] to Record "colp" Data // 3,6,9 column
end
if Record "LN" layout = Number 2 or Record "LN" layout = Number 3
begin
Put 1 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 5 or Record "LN" layout = Number 6
begin
Put 2 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 8 or Record "LN" layout = Number 9
begin
Put 3 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 11 or Record "LN" layout = Number 12
begin
Put 4 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 14 or Record "LN" layout = Number 15
begin
Put 5 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 17 or Record "LN" layout = Number 18
begin
Put 6 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 20 or Record "LN" layout = Number 21
begin
Put 7 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 23 or Record "LN" layout = Number 24
begin
Put 8 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 26 or Record "LN" layout = Number 27
begin
Put 9 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 29 or Record "LN" layout = Number 30
begin
Put 10 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 32 or Record "LN" layout = Number 33
begin
Put 11 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
if Record "LN" layout = Number 35 or Record "LN" layout = Number 36
begin
Put 12 on Record "colp" Data Index
End
Set Flag "ready" to true
Call "next spin"
end
method "next spin"
begin
if Record "col" data < 3
begin
call "scroll right"
end
else
begin
call "scroll left"
end
end
Also include a bankroll balance chart, 10k spins on RX's RNG.
Winner circling 2 & 3 remember free spin on a win and free spin if a loss during betting.
My BR gone up. Bottom shot is the continuation 31-12-14
Winner 2 & 3 made 250 units miss 13-2-34 bottom of 2nd miss 8-13 bottom of 3rd
Notto on the last with change of Prog, Fibo.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Downtown on May 01, 05:33 AM 2019This method has changed since the first posting of it,
WHERE WE ARE NOW
We still use column 2 & 3
We now bet on every spin
Starting at Black 2 that gives the colour of your first spin
You bet on Black
Going down your next number is Red 5
So your next bet is on Red
Going down your next number is Black 8
So your next bet is Black
and so on .
Now when you get to Black 35 you move across to column 3
So now your first bet Is off number 39 Red
So you are betting Red head back up the column
Now when you get to Red 3,
You move back to column 2 and carry on from 2 Black
If you get a zero ignore and keep your line going.
The progression is 1,1,3,5,110,210 being the stretched Martingale
There are better progressions but they do slow the game a lot so what suits your B/R
I also find the Fibo quite suitable @ 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21
Now this is not the final version yet as what we are working on has a choice involved
how do you compensate for that in RX.
Thank you for the help to all those that have offered, it is much appreciated.
NOTTO/MAURI anything else you guys wish to add please do so.
Cheers Al
So is first color to bet always black? Then goes red,black,black,red,black,black,red,black,black,red,black.
Then when it gets to 35 afterwards you bet red,black,red,red,black,red,red,black,red,red,black red. Then continue from then on?
Dtown
What’s written on envelopes?
Quote from: nottophammer on May 03, 01:59 PM 2019
:thumbsup:
Looks like 95 wins, 86 losses. So it wins flat bet 9 units over 181 spins. (See second to last chart above)
Chart above is 23 wins to 11 losses. So i wonder if a more positive progression might work. Hmm.
Dtown played like a dream
Random carpet method.
Now to kill it or bust out
Using too bigger unit; nearly got to 12000
The lost 3000 BR back
Quote from: nottophammer on May 05, 06:33 PM 2019
The lost 3000 BR back
I count 88 wins, 95 losses. Maybe 89 and 94 for a five to seven point difference. I also see about nine times it took three losses in a row, and three or four times it took four or more losses in a row.
Try this: After three losses, raise bets 50% forever after (no reductions), and after four losses raise another 50% more forever after.
Quote from: Still on May 05, 10:09 PM 2019
I count 88 wins, 95 losses. Maybe 89 and 94 for a five to seven point difference. I also see about nine times it took three losses in a row, and three or four times it took four or more losses in a row.
Try this: After three losses, raise bets 50% forever after (no reductions), and after four losses raise another 50% more forever after.
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Nix that idea. It gets up to 300 at about 148 but 21 losses to 15 wins sinks the ship as the unit size balloons from 60 to 307 over that last stretch.
However, a reset when capital reaches equilibrium with spins (for example 128 units in 128 spins) would lower unit size down from 27 back down to one, and generally preserve most of the gains.
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Nothing new here...
Mauri near to the 100 black/red in a row, had to laugh the zero's but the old carpet ride does the job
NOTTO WHEN YOU SAID OLD CARPET RIDE YOU MEAN THE MATRIX
AND NOT THE 2 AND 3 COLUMN CYRCLE OR SOMETHING ELSE?
Circling 2 & 3 free spin on C1
Still can't find these 100 reds Saint
Quote from: nottophammer on May 06, 06:43 PM 2019
Still can't find these 100 reds Saint
You still don't understand that betting on "rare events" doesn't work because the payouts are still below the odds. You'd think you'd understand it by now, considering the amount of losing "play for fun" accounts you've ditched. But you only show the wins.
Saint
If i live another 40 years; i'll still not see 100 red or blacks. But over the next 40 years you'll still be saying the same old Blah Blah.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 07, 03:49 AM 2019
Saint
If i live another 40 years; i'll still not see 100 red or blacks. But over the next 40 years you'll still be saying the same old Blah Blah.
That's absolutely correct, and you still don't understand why, or how what you just said is boneheaded.
I'm a saint, so I'll help..
1. I won't change what I say because truth won't change.
2. You probably won't see 100 consecutive colors in your life. You still don't understand odds vs payouts, or why betting on rare events doesn't work.
You think you're arguing with me. You're not. You're arguing against reality because you don't understand it.
If you live 40 more years, your blah blah will change. I can't see even you not learning the basics in 80+ years.
100 spins
Think the marquee shows 47 numbers. But those reds are not continuous
200 spins
300
Mauri your 3 bank rolls ?
400
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Quote from: nottophammer on May 07, 05:49 AM 2019
300
Mauri your 3 bank rolls ?
Not needed hey! :twisted:
Downtown / Notto ? We also have a 100% winning system. 50/50 games! Daily breadwinner... 1 unit target :twisted:
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Mauri
Plolp better watch out
100 games - 100 wins = 100%
This is what I've always asked and wanted. Go to casino, bring back your 1 unit daily.
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So the rules for this system are ?
Quote from: bigmoney on May 08, 05:58 PM 2019
So the rules for this system are ?
Various systems of random even chance selection, martingale or other dangerous negative progression, and brown trousers/underpants for when it bombs :twisted:
Quote from: Maui13 on May 08, 06:48 AM 2019
Downtown / Notto ? We also have a 100% winning system. 50/50 games! Daily breadwinner... 1 unit target :twisted:
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There is a story of a guy who would go to his local B&M casino when it opened. He waited
for any even chance to miss five consecutive times and bet 100,200,400,800,1600,3200
When he won his profit he would leave for the day. I understand he would do this 300+ days/year and made a steady $100 profit each day.
Maybe...
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 08, 11:45 PM 2019He waited
for any even chance to miss five consecutive times and bet 100,200,400,800,1600,3200
It doesn't work. Its no different from starting bets immediately.
This is really fundamental, and really basic stuff.
On paper you are right. Mathematically,
yes. But time of day apparently is a factor.
Statistically when a casino opens may
have favorable stats unlike the rest of the day
Also time of day is not part of RX testing.
I couldn't really buy into that one. The wheel does not know what time of day it is. The only thing I can think of is that people are not generally around to witness unfavorable runs, so if they do happen, there's only one or two there to remember them. So they are less likely to get broadcast or passed along the grapevine.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 09, 01:19 AM 2019But time of day apparently is a factor.
Exactly why do you believe this?
Believe is a strong word. I'm just not convinced time
of day isn't a factor. It's an itch that won't go away.
It may be a factor. We dont know everything. But I dont know of any data to support the theory.
If you base bets or a system on a hunch alone, you probably wont do well. In your case, you said a typical losing system is more likely to win at certain times of the day. To me that sounds more like superstition. Again I dont know of any information to support it.
Dealers have been encouraged to use hand cream to change ball decelerations or change to a different ball. One thing we might infer from an early shift is supervision may not be as tight. Or the head floormen who may know a little more about countermeasures and randomisation may not be around. Difficult to see how this could affect even chance runs, but it may be a factor in other scenarios.
Previous 10 posts way off topic
So I will ask again what are the rules and what is the staking system ....many thanks ..in advance
Quote from: bigmoney on May 09, 03:08 AM 2019
Previous 10 posts way off topic
So I will ask again what are the rules and what is the staking system ....many thanks ..in advance
Check your inbox :thumbsup:
Thank you
150 games - 150 wins - 100% so far... guess it's luck.
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Hi Maui,
could you show a link to this guy on RS ?
Tnx
Quote from: Maui13 on May 09, 03:29 AM 2019
Check your inbox :thumbsup:
Hi Maui13!
Can please also send me a pm with rules you are using now ?
Thank you!
This guy is me :lol:
Just search ...
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Thanks man,
an old guy like me didn't see the search feature.
So I was searching the old way ...
Mauri, straight run, usual 400u for 100 spins, though almost got me at the end of the run, but that was because I lost track of where I was up to
and now here's the thing, I didn't play the way we normally play, this is totally out of left field, yet result was the exactly the same. :xd:
Quote from: Herby on May 09, 09:56 AM 2019
an old guy like me didn't see the search feature.
I know how you feel and you're not alone :wink:
Quote from: Herby on May 09, 09:56 AM 2019
Thanks man,
an old guy like me didn't see the search feature.
So I was searching the old way ...
No worries! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Downtown on May 09, 10:01 AM 2019
Mauri, straight run, usual 400u for 100 spins, though almost got me at the end of the run, but that was because I lost track of where I was up to
and now here's the thing, I didn't play the way we normally play, this is totally out of left field, yet result was the exactly the same. :xd:
Mmm.... what I do notice in the graph, is that it seems to be a bit more choppy than the other method? Or am I seeing wrong? Lots of 4 step progressions?
Doesn't matter if you only go out to four and no missed spins, anyway e;mail sent :thumbsup:
Going to send some ramblings Dtown and Mauri
About this graph.
Gents its 1524
Gents waiting? 1524
Well what have we here?
M/R Shows how far we have come, the graph is played totally the wrong way, I played all three columns, used the Cascade Martingale for progression which is all that saved me as I took some big hits, but in the end still came out over 600u ahead :ooh: Man that was a hard game.
To those that have PM'd me, sorry :-[ but I have been away and not long been back so I will get to answering shortly :thumbsup:
Cheers Al
Sorry PLOLP, no disrespect, but I can better your results. :wink:
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200 Games - 200 Wins - 100%
Downtown and Notto - gents, its been a pleasure. I think this is as good as it's gonna get with "Random Carpet Ride"
I think I proved that if you went to the casino that you can easily do 1 unit per day.
Question is - is everyone going to be happy with only 1 unit?
Can the system produce 10 units a day, I think - yes.
Patience and discipline with this is a constant winner! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Maui13 on May 10, 06:14 AM 2019Downtown and Notto - gents, its been a pleasure. I think this is as good as it's gonna get with "Random Carpet Ride"
So out the 200 what's the longest the ride has taken? 6 spins or 12?
Most spins out of 200 games - 13
But remember Column 1 and Zero's :thumbsup:
Just won the 10 units with circling 2 & 3 :thumbsup:
M 13
Just go for it
Mauri
Just shown if you can think you can win with repeats over @ Turbo.
But again the old carpet ride for the brain dead does the JOB
Mauri
Got ot stop; just to tired. Oh yeah it's nothing to do with the carpet ride
So M13 & Dtown you know what this is about
I'll send the spins
Mauri & Dtown
You'll not belive the stupid idea behind this!
On the gold standard MPR longest 7 spins; same for Ignatus posted live spins in real spin section.
What ya like Saint
BNI +10
Quote from: nottophammer on May 30, 10:50 AM 2019
What ya like Saint
You're still talking about me. Admit it, you like-like me. And still posting useless charts, forgetting about your losses.
Quote from: Maui13 on May 08, 09:34 AM 2019
100 games - 100 wins = 100%
This is what I've always asked and wanted. Go to casino, bring back your 1 unit daily.
Hi Maui13!
Can please also send me a pm with rules you are using now ?
in advance many thanks ..