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Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 23, 03:21 AM 2019
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This qualifies for banning !
Where is Steve to stop this kind of frauds?
Sergio is running several different types of scams on various roulette forums under various names at the moment.
Not cool to post private messages, but he really is a piece of sh*t and deserves to be exposed.
Quote from: Taotie on Apr 23, 04:33 AM 2019
Sergio is running several different types of scams on various roulette forums under various names at the moment.
Not cool to post private messages, but he really is a piece of sh*t and deserves to be exposed.
As a rule, I would never post PM's - but this isn't a normal PM is it?
That's proof of why he spent so long hanging around saying how good Vaddi was. I think everyone knows he is a scam artist.
Quote from: Firefox on Apr 23, 05:22 AM 2019I think everyone knows he is a scam artist.
Sadly, I think that's the only reason he is active on the forums. It won't just be roulette forums either. This scam's roots run deep.
Was this a pm he sent? On this forum?
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Just put it in system for sale section..
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 07:01 AM 2019
I have not put it on sale! Otherwise I would have put it there.
I only gave the opportunity to very few people, some are taking advantage of it and others not, nothing else.
Whilst at it, why not tell be where I can sell a kidney to be able to afford the so called "opportunity" ???
Passion, just go. Just go...
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 07:01 AM 2019I only gave the opportunity to very few people, some are taking advantage of it and others not, nothing else.
That's the whole scam, doofus.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 07:34 AM 2019... I do not need money...
So why are you asking for it in PMs?
Nothing you say makes any sense. Only a complete imbecile would give you even a cent.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 07:34 AM 2019I do not need money, but I am not a fool to give away. I have given people the opportunity, if they want to take advantage, they will win, otherwise, they will not have it, it is that easy
If you did honestly not need money then you would, at the very least give it away freely to your chosen few .
I feel kinda honored to be one of the chosen few, but then again also sad.
Does he think I'm that stupid!
Wait, don't answer that :twisted:
Cant we just stop giving passion any attention?
If we dont respond to anything he is saying, he Will fly away.
Quote from: Robbert on Apr 23, 08:19 AM 2019
Cant we just stop giving passion any attention?
If we dont respond to anything he is saying, he Will fly away.
I think your advice is good for a troll who seeks response.
But it is misplaced in his case. He doesn't seek response, he just requires lurkers and newbies to send him enquiries.
If we don't respond, he will simply respond to himself, keeping his misinformation at the top of the forum.
I'd rather inform anyone new that is reading the true nature of his presence.
This happens every now and then. Anyone stupid enough to send him money deserves it.
Often it's the same person using a different name.
Identifying a scam is not difficult.
So we have rules, but we'll just overlook them when it suits? Just asking...
Stern warning perhaps?
9. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.
Maui, you think he's not trying to scam people? Or you think he has the hg and needs money, out of the goodness of his heart?
Or maybe we have all been just negative nancies all along?
Look, if it was up to me he would be banned.
But, it's not my place to say.
What he did was a clear rule violation. He was forced to scam privately because most people see what he is.
If I did what I thought was best for members, with that being my only consideration, I would have banned numerous members. But it seems people learn best when they learn for themselves.
The same shit repeats. And I'll say the same thing to the next generation, and they'll have the same response... why do you have a forum... you're being negative.. If you don't have anything nice to say.. etc.
If you don't need the money as you say, and you think they are struggling, then give it to them for free.
Passion, you're tring to scam people, you're full of shit, and the people you claim were experts were just trolls misleading people.
Passion, you have no grounds to attack me. It is just blind retaliation for my statements about you, which appear true.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 08:10 PM 2019Are you sure that you are an expert player?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 08:10 PM 2019Or are you just a simple person who has programmed into an electronic device like cheating and that's why you think you're an expert?
Maybe do better research.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 08:10 PM 2019ou make me think, that really about what you do you are very good, but about systems of winning in a simple way, you are a newbie.
As newbie as proclaiming typical fallacy to be the HG, like you do? You don't even understand basic math yet claim to beat roulette with math.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 23, 08:10 PM 2019never say you can not win in a simple way if you do not know if it is possible and never say that mathematically you can not win at roulette, because I could leave you wrong, only publishing one of my systems and make you lose all your sales.
As long as 37 is greater than 35, you wont beat roulette mathematically. So go ahead, destroy my desperate sales, my life, my everything.
Passion, you're just another forum scammer in a long line. Everyone here appears to see through you. I suspect you have been here before using a different name, trying to scam people.
If you had kept your sales in the right area, it wouldn't have been a problem. After all people arent as dumb as you hoped. But your PM sales is breaking the rules. It's what scammers do. They have to lure people in private, where more experienced people cant call out bullshit.
Passion has broken this rule:
Quote3. Spamming and/or promotion of products and services may only take place in the "for sale" section. This includes services like moneybookers, systems or whatever. If you post promotions or you are found to have been promoting against the rules, you will be banned. No-one wants spam.
To Sellers: if you post an email address or ask people to contact you privately, perhaps to tell them about your great system, you and your posts will be removed. If you promote here, you must do it openly where you naturally will be questioned by more experienced members. This is because scammers lure victims to private discussions.
But rather than ban him, his posts are now being moderated, and he is unable to send or read PMs. Some of his posts have been edited too.
Chances are he'll continue on other forums, or will be back here using a different name. I hope especially new members have learned something.
It’s sad that forums are dying. They used to be cool.....and fun
Passion has always been a system selling scammer.
People are way to fu cking gullible.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 23, 09:41 PM 2019
It’s sad that forums are dying. They used to be cool.....and fun
I must say this thread is rather entertaining though.
They arent dying. They are just plagued by scammers and trolls. They are still productive and fun if proper rules are enforced.
From my perspective as admin, I would like to immediately ban the people who are clearly full of shit. That's the best way to deal with someone who could easily come back under a different name, to repeat the same shit.
But the problem is the dickhead is often the guru to some members. And if I ban the guru, people (followers) get upset. And I have to balance "what members want" with "what's good for members". So in this case, I've waited until it has become abundantly clear what Passion is.
But still, some people can still believe his crap. It happened with previous scammers like Alabalah, CEH, John Legend etc. And after I ban them, I get attacked by clueless followers.
Unfortunately even long-term members can be the trolls, attention-seekers or scammers. Like Turbo for example, who since RS was fixed, hasnt been able to rank there and had to start his own forum to escape criticism. Rather than just banning someone like that, you'd hope people would be smart enough to put it all together. But many arent, so it goes around in circles.
So members come and go. The core members that are the backbone of the forum remain. Even when they disagree with others (inevitable), they can at least behave themselves and not disrupt the forum (usually).
Steve,
lemme ask you a question.
System threads are all over the place. Advantage play has its place in this forum, threads about it exist.
What's missing? What topic or aspect of the game could be analysed in a deeper way? ( Please don't answer '' Odds and Payout'' cuz there is no depth to it: it's quite straight-fwd and easily understandable).
The section I'd like to see thrive is "outside the box".
Why would members try what has already been tried, and found to fail?
Why not do a little bit of research to understand the basics?
And why not look at NEW approaches?
To answer your question, there are many aspects (approaches) that are almost never discussed. Instead, we get the same old crap around and around. And members testing those methods are clueless and ignorant to why their approach wont work.
You dont have to like AP. The "outside the box" section is about thinking of approaches that havent been done before.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 23, 10:28 PM 2019Please don't answer '' Odds and Payout'' cuz there is no depth to it: it's quite straight-fwd and easily understandable).
You'd think that, but most people still dont get it.
And most people still don't get other basics.
Let these people wander in the purgatory.
From the choices you gave in the Out of the Box Section, I think Fractals has more potential.
Will go with that.
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 23, 03:21 AM 2019
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Heartbreaking.
I understand the concern. While 'baiters' are nuisances, I would think in the System
Players Only section such an individual could do the least amount of damage.
Quite a few "Out of the Box" ideas could be inspired from them. :)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 24, 02:53 AM 2019I would think in the System
Players Only section such an individual could do the least amount of damage.
Don't you mean the MOST damage? After all, more experienced members can't post there to expose rubbish.
Traditional types of forums are dying.
This is more to do with Facebook forums than anything else.
Facebook forums are terrible. Just one long list of posts. Difficult to find anything and non of the features of regular forums. However they appeal to most people as the learning curve and discipline of regular forums is too difficult to overcome.
They would rather have easy sign up and just post in one jumbled mess, asking the same questions over and over again!