Hey,
A lot of people seem to be playing systems that come with some type of progression, that are sold online and they don't work.
In my opinion only two ways to have long term edge in roulette:
- Roulette computers
- Visual balistics
Anyone tested master roulette VB? It is from mastersroulette.com and does it work still in 2019?
I found this online, Steve said :
Most vb is not suitable for modern conditions. To beat modern wheels, you need much more. if you are predicting after the ball is released, you must have time to do what you need. You can't do this realistically without a computer. Realistically, VB relies on conditions that are rarely found.
most vb players focused all about finding when there are X revolutions remaining. you can easily use a thumper for this and get away with it. Visual ballistics is not far off what old biased analysis techniques are like - ie great in the home environment or in theory, not the real casino. Basic VB is in my opinion a waste of time unless your wheels are incredibly easy to beat. I teach basic vb for free anyway
What a nonsense is that ! I disagree with what’s been said by Steve ...
VB is still a valid way to beat most the wheels...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 17, 04:42 AM 2019
I found this online, Steve said :
Most vb is not suitable for modern conditions. To beat modern wheels, you need much more. if you are predicting after the ball is released, you must have time to do what you need. You can't do this realistically without a computer. Realistically, VB relies on conditions that are rarely found.
most vb players focused all about finding when there are X revolutions remaining. you can easily use a thumper for this and get away with it. Visual ballistics is not far off what old biased analysis techniques are like - ie great in the home environment or in theory, not the real casino. Basic VB is in my opinion a waste of time unless your wheels are incredibly easy to beat. I teach basic vb for free anyway
What a nonsense is that ! I disagree with what’s been said by Steve ...
VB is still a valid way to beat most the wheels...
Well he is partially true, but again Steve sells roulette computers so he could be biased.
In my opinion casinos have upgraded a lot and it is hard to find favourable conditions, this applies to roulette computers. I have tested roulette computers and you have to find the right conditions like VB
I know for example roulette computers will not work on cammeigh wheel (no frets) with ivorine ball. The scatter is just crazy
Ivorine balls are heavier !
I also face problems with them
If you need prediction 4-7 seconds after ball release, and ball travels about 20s, and rotor speed has moderate variation with 3s rotor, you are unlikely to have significant edge with vb... even with good scatter.
Why? Because the rotor strike point prediction will be too inaccurate.
Some vb techiques can get an edge in such conditions, but it takes skill beyond most people.
The above is not even considering things like ball deceleration changes, ball bounce on different rotor speeds, or ball fall trajectory with diamond hit targeting which often make a massive difference.
Now compare a basic computer. It does the calculations for any varying rotor speed, accurately and effortlessly.
Im away from pc so cant type more detail for now but i guarantee even a basic computer will flatten even an experienced vb player, in average conditions.
In super easy conditions, a vb player will match even my hybrid computer. I mean with very late predictions, consistent rotor speed, and perfect scatter.
In moderately difficult conditions, an experienced player may get 5% edge, and the hybrid may get 50%.
In difficult conditions, vb would be umworkable, and the hybrid gets 20%.
Again there are many variables that determine what the case will be.
What if I tell you I use some sort of VB and place bets before ball release, and my edge is 10% ...
In some conditions even better is possible. My cross referencing system can have around 15% with predictions before ball release. Its probably related to what you do in some form. But computers with late bets are what i prefer mainly because its much quicker. And many more wheels can be beaten and with higher edge.
Cool, you rarely spoke about your cross reference method...
I think it’s very similar to what my method...
Quote from: Steve on May 17, 07:15 AM 2019
In some conditions even better is possible. My cross referencing system can have around 15% with predictions before ball release. Its probably related to what you do in some form. But computers with late bets are what i prefer mainly because its much quicker. And many more wheels can be beaten and with higher edge.
Hi Steve,
What is your cross-referencing system? And are you selling it?
Quote from: jesus69 on May 17, 03:06 AM 2019
Hey,
A lot of people seem to be playing systems that come with some type of progression, that are sold online and they don't work.
In my opinion only two ways to have long term edge in roulette:
- Roulette computers
- Visual balistics
Anyone tested master roulette VB? It is from mastersroulette.com and does it work still in 2019?
Masters Roulette is traditional VB knee point stuff and a workable method. You need the right wheel though. Rotor compensation methods allow you to bet earlier in the spin which is very useful. However, there are errors in that method which reduce your edge and you need also a wheel with a defined drop zone. All this kind of stuff is not made clear in vids trying to sell methods.
A good example tonight. I just watched Jackpot 24/7 on ITV. UK roulette show. Spins were 4 to 6 second rotor. Only 3 vertical diamonds. Fall off sector consistent 75%. Good view of the wheel. I used rotor compensation. Totally killed it. About 4 dead on in 90 mins. Rest within 5 or 6 mostly. That's a big edge. Only thing on that game is they close the table shortly after release. So not exploitable.
Quote from: jesus69 on May 17, 03:06 AM 2019Anyone tested master roulette VB? It is from mastersroulette.com and does it work still in 2019?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 17, 04:42 AM 2019VB is still a valid way to beat most the wheels...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 17, 06:42 AM 2019What if I tell you I use some sort of VB and place bets before ball release, and my edge is 10% ...
Quote from: Steve on May 17, 07:15 AM 2019My cross referencing system can have around 15% with predictions before ball release.
I do not know how you can't understand, that VB can't make things worse than they are :).
And from another side, I heard many. who claim that have huge edges, but when we met - always that edge disappeared :).
I know about mine edge, it was tested and calculated in different ways in different methodic on a huge amount of spins direct in casinos. And always I got similar results.
They, of course, are smaller than what talks others, but they are true and I can after short observing unknown wheel - to say what edge I will have on it....
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on May 18, 04:27 AM 2019
I do not know how you can't understand, that VB can't make things worse than they are :).
And from another side, I heard many. who claim that have huge edges, but when we met - always that edge disappeared :).
I know about mine edge, it was tested and calculated in different ways in different methodic on a huge amount of spins direct in casinos. And always I got similar results.
They, of course, are smaller than what talks others, but they are true and I can after short observing unknown wheel - to say what edge I will have on it....
Which method of VB fall off prediction do you use the most in casinos?
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Quote from: hody79 on May 18, 05:36 PM 2019
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Quote from: Firefox on May 18, 04:47 PM 2019Which method of VB fall off prediction do you use the most in casinos?
Hard question, I think that all methods are the same one method. Still in some way measure wheel, in some ball, in some way detect one or more stable points and from them collect results... :)
Essence, that all that is done will have a logical relationship with the final point. In my life, I saw only a few players and in my opinion, the way of play are identical...
Differences are only how who use collected data and data which is from spins which we play... but that is part, about what usually are no talks...
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Quote from: Bebediktus3 on May 19, 05:25 AM 2019
Hard question, I think that all methods are the same one method. Still in some way measure wheel, in some ball, in some way detect one or more stable points and from them collect results... :)
Essence, that all that is done will have a logical relationship with the final point. In my life, I saw only a few players and in my opinion, the way of play are identical...
Differences are only how who use collected data and data which is from spins which we play... but that is part, about what usually are no talks...
There are I believe methods for a level wheel. I have only read about this and don't use them.
I don't use the crossover pattern methods either. I use mostly the rotor compensation method which requires defined drop zone, rotor speeds within a player range, and manageable scatter.
This is definitely a different way to the knee point although I believe there is a special case where these can give a similar result, the count meaning the prediction ocurrs at a drop off diamond rather than elsewhere in the bowl.
But there are errors in this method, I think due to different decelerations between different spins. Even if I count precisely and predict the same fall off on successIve trials in the same spin, I can still be 5-8 pockets off. This combines with the scatter error to give a pretty marginal advantage.
I can usually get an average prediction error of 8.5 pockets. It's a single figure edge about 5% so I don't claim a big edge on this method. Many wheels and dealers are not worth playing due to various factors.
Quote from: Firefox on May 19, 12:39 PM 2019There are I believe methods for a level wheel. I have only read about this and don't use them.
I don't use the crossover pattern methods either. I use mostly the rotor compensation method which requires defined drop zone, rotor speeds within a player range, and manageable scatter.
Methods, ways...Are no ways, or methods no matter what we do you finally come that you must know where is a ball in some specifical time and that is one for all ways :)
So all determine data and knowing how it can change :)