since no-one is making any donations (or have made any donations) so far. i will now sell this one for 100$. Cheap for a Holy grail system imho.
contact me by email: ignatus@hotmail.se if interested.
Is it playable on a live table
Looks Pretty good Iggy.
Whatcha gonna call It?...
How about the Big Black Donger System. :thumbsup:
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 21, 07:53 AM 2019
Is it playable on a live table
Yes. It´s very simple to play.
BR Required 1250u.
That´s the MM i use anyway, it´s coded in RX also,...
Well, completed the code, did more testings, and from 30 Live-sessions 29 winners, so it should work as promised. Now played with WG +500u/SL -1250u.
*40 Live sessions 39 winners... O0
well done buddy..after all the testing and some members giving you stick you may have come up trumps after all..all the best :thumbsup:
Quote from: 6th-sense on Aug 21, 01:55 PM 2019
well done buddy..after all the testing and some members giving you stick you may have come up trumps after all..all the best :thumbsup:
Thanks :)
Quote from: 6th-sense on Aug 21, 01:55 PM 2019
well done buddy..after all the testing and some members giving you stick you may have come up trumps after all..all the best :thumbsup:
Are you for real?
The point is of course it doesn't work that's why it is on sale for 100 bucks.
Nobody sells a money making machine it's an oxymoron.
Hi Ignatus!
Do you share the dgt file?
Quote from: Face on Aug 21, 02:46 PM 2019
Hi Ignatus!
Do you share the dgt file?
yes, if you pay 100$, :) contact me via email; ignatus@hotmail.se
Quote from: Let Me Win on Aug 21, 02:46 PM 2019The point is of course it doesn't work that's why it is on sale for 100 bucks.
Nobody sells a money making machine it's an oxymoron.
why not? First of all im not a "gambler" in that sense that i go to a casino or play much for real myself...second, i don´t have the founds to play it myself?, third, as i said i tested 40 Live sessions 39 winners...
Some questions, if you don't mind.
1. How many spins in a session?
2. How many numbers are you playing (or give the range)?
3. In the 1 losing session you've had so far, how much did you lose?
Thanks. BTW, the graphs look nice, but a high win rate means nothing if on the few occasions when you lose, you lose a bundle.
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 21, 02:54 PM 2019second, i don´t have the founds to play it myself?,
Bit of a feeble excuse if you ask me. If it was a winner you could play using very low stakes and build up your bank. Sorry if you think I'm giving you a hard time but anyone selling a system should expect it.
Quote from: Joe on Aug 21, 03:08 PM 2019
Some questions, if you don't mind.
1. How many spins in a session?
2. How many numbers are you playing (or give the range)?
3. In the 1 losing session you've had so far, how much did you lose?
Thanks. BTW, the graphs look nice, but a high win rate means nothing if on the few occasions when you lose, you lose a bundle.
1. Depend on the wingoal you have (i play with a MAX 500u wingoal/session) and that would be about 800 Live-spins (as you can see in the chart) 1 typical Live session.
2. (i cannot tell you that)
3. BR (Stoploss -1250u, wingoal +500) so 1 losing session would be -1250u....
Quote from: Joe on Aug 21, 03:13 PM 2019
Bit of a feeble excuse if you ask me. If it was a winner you could play using very low stakes and build up your bank. Sorry if you think I'm giving you a hard time but anyone selling a system should expect it.
Yes, you´re right..ofc
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 21, 03:17 PM 20192. (i cannot tell you that)
Why not? It's not as though anyone could figure out the system based only on how many numbers you're playing. I want to know because it has a bearing on your results as they appear on the graphs.
I recommend that you check and double-check your code because all your graphs look too much like each other. ;-)
That's often a sign that you have coded in an unintended edge.
Quote from: Joe on Aug 21, 04:15 PM 2019
Why not? It's not as though anyone could figure out the system based only on how many numbers you're playing. I want to know because it has a bearing on your results as they appear on the graphs.
I recommend that you check and double-check your code because all your graphs look too much like each other. ;-)
That's often a sign that you have coded in an unintended edge.
I cannot tell you because then i would reveal the whole system. Furthermore, now 8 people have mailed me and shown interest, i sent the system to all of these 8 people, yet i´ve seen 0$ on my account....so obviously im a bad businessman ....well what can i say? sad... :(
I don't see how you could be revealing the whole system just by saying how many numbers you bet; isn't there a bet selection and some kind of progression? You wouldn't be revealing either of those. ???
Don't know about bad businessman, naive maybe? The usual practice is to take payment before sending the goods.
If I was selling the holy grail I would rent it out and charge by the number of spins. Keep it all online and never reveal the rules. Give people a free trial; if it's a real winner they will come back and regularly renew their subscriptions. :D
Why not give it to someone on here who can check code and give it the thumbs up?
Quote from: valvo on Aug 21, 04:55 PM 2019
Why not give it to someone on here who can check code and give it the thumbs up?
I´ve "given it" to 8 ppl already?:/ (people who said they would pay, but didn´t) but if you´re interested in the system, then send a mail... ignatus@hotmail.se
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 21, 05:04 PM 2019people who said they would pay, but didn´t
Give them a few hours and then post their names if they haven't paid.
So we all know our
friends. At least their nicks. >:D
Quote from: Herby on Aug 21, 05:15 PM 2019
Give them a few hours and then post their names if they haven't paid.
So we all know our friends. At least their nicks. >:D
nah,...i´ll wait and see.. hmm. hopefully some will pay idk:s
Those 8 people will be testing the sh*t out your system, only then might some of them pay up, assuming it doesn't crash and burn. But I wouldn't bank on it; gambler's want something for nothing!
Quote from: Joe on Aug 21, 05:56 PM 2019
Those 8 people will be testing the sh*t out your system, only then might some of them pay up, assuming it doesn't crash and burn. But I wouldn't bank on it; gambler's want something for nothing!
yes, it good :) From my testings i had very good results...now someone will perhaps try another progression for this bet, we see what happens... cheers O0
If you replaced your bet selection method with random bets, would the results be different? (Less profitable)
Quote from: Steve on Aug 21, 11:38 PM 2019
If you replaced your bet selection method with random bets, would the results be different? (Less profitable)
Hi Steve :)
well, it should matter less, (with this betselection) only the trigger is used (i cannot explain that, because that would also reveal too much!) ;D
Sry to mention it here but this "Gregor Graf" (you know who you are) pls send another email-adress. i could reach you by the one i got?:S... thanks
spintest graph O0
Hi Ignatus. :)
You could do a "Vaddi's" style thread posting riddles and clues.
(It would keep users guessing for years).
*Of course if they wanted the full system....
GL
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 22, 03:31 AM 2019
Hi Ignatus. :)
You could do a "Vaddi's" style thread posting riddles and clues.
(It would keep users guessing for years).
*Of course if they wanted the full system....
GL
Hi proof, im sorry i can´t do that..
Bravo! :thumbsup:
Good job man!
Some questions....
1. How many steps in the progression?
2. On average - how far does the progression go down? ( Steps )
Sent you an e-mail too. 8)
Quote from: Maui13 on Aug 22, 04:53 AM 2019
Bravo! :thumbsup:
Good job man!
Some questions....
1. How many steps in the progression?
2. On average - how far does the progression go down? ( Steps )
Sent you an e-mail too. 8)
Thanks :)
1. Progressionline is 9 steps
2. "extreme events" about -1100,(that´s why a 1250u BR needed) occasional Loss from my testings about 1/10 games (or less) with a wingoal of 500u...as i mentioned earlier i tested 40 Live sessions and 39 winners....(with this MM).
ignatus,
I'm afraid the 400+ units drawdown @ spin 600 in your spintest graph does not invoke a lot of confidence in the system.
Is there some way you could improve on the MM to avoid this type of DD?
Because as sure as balls a progressive system that throws up this kind of DD is just giving you a tickle, and you can be certain much worse is just around the corner.
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Quote from: Taotie on Aug 22, 05:22 AM 2019ignatus,
I'm afraid the 400+ units drawdown @ spin 600 in your spintest graph does not invoke a lot of confidence in the system.
Is there some way you could improve on the MM to avoid this type of DD?
Well what can i say? ofc a Low wingoal should be used. as this is +500, and the neg. progressionline is to reach the wingoal as soon as possible,...now i´ve Tried other progressions that should be more "safe" etc, both positive and negative (less agressive ones) but? Although that seemd to be "clever" it was not, because it would not give the same "winrate" as the original...so for this one, there is not much to "improve" if you want to have the same high winrate as the original... (atleast thats my conclution from my testings)...cheers
How about 50 euro now, and 50 euro later if the system works?
Quote from: Robbert on Aug 22, 05:57 AM 2019
How about 50 euro now, and 50 euro later if the system works?
Yes, sure, send me an email. np
If the method or system fails to pass 10K spins without loss it is not a holygrail
Hello,
i am interested.
Feedback from anyone who bought it ?
Thank you in advance
Paolo
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 22, 05:16 AM 2019"extreme events" about -1100,(that´s why a 1250u BR needed) occasional Loss from my testings about 1/10 games (or less) with a wingoal of 500u...as i mentioned earlier i tested 40 Live sessions and 39 winners
Why then simply not to go to the casino and not to win 39*500-1*1250=18250 why here to ask 100 if you can win thousands? :)
Hey Ignatus,
Definitely an interesting experiment. Hopefully, enough people pay to get you a good starting bankroll to test it for yourself.
If not, you could always just post it for free, and ask for a $100 donation after someone has won $500 (honor system).
Either way, I do greatly appreciate the time and effort you have put into your posts over the years. Cheers! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Aug 22, 02:00 PM 2019
Hey Ignatus,
Definitely an interesting experiment. Hopefully, enough people pay to get you a good starting bankroll to test it for yourself.
If not, you could always just post it for free, and ask for a $100 donation after someone has won $500 (honor system).
Either way, I do greatly appreciate the time and effort you have put into your posts over the years. Cheers! :thumbsup:
thx...yes, someone now claims "he had more losses than wins", so ? this is absolute BS now the law, you can be a TESTER of this system if you like, (i´ve already sent it to like 18ppl but only 3 payed me so far),,..from history i know, that i post it for free, no-one will appricate it, and not make any donations...so, idk...? Really, if you can do that, be a TESTER, and post share your results then? I send you a msg,...? (or else if someone like to be a tester now) of this system (but promise not to reveal anything but results?)
I would like ti be a tester, if possible. I can pay to be the tester :))))
Many thanks in advance
Paolo
Quote from: antimodes on Aug 22, 02:29 PM 2019
I would like ti be a tester, if possible. I can pay to be the tester :))))
Many thanks in advance
Paolo
Alrighti then... i send you a msg, thanks... O0 This will be interesting..
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Aug 22, 01:08 PM 2019
Why then simply not to go to the casino and not to win 39*500-1*1250=18250 why here to ask 100 if you can win thousands? :)
You know why, it's a progression system, and those can work nicely in simulations when you don't have to put real money on the table. Attached is chart of a simple follow the last EC bet with martingale progression. It works with 1000 units stop loss, until it doesn't...
I'm sure ignatus's system is a lot more sophisticated and I mean no disrespect, but a winning system does not have win goals or stop losses. Betting with a progression, a player is likely to be in constant fear that the inevitable bad beat might happen in the next 5 or 10 spins.
Let's say you are only 20 units away from your win goal of 500, and you lose the next 5 spins, bringing you down to 400. Would you quit and take the 400 profit or would you continue with the progression and risk of losing a thousand? This is where humans and simulators work differently, a simulator always sticks to the rules and doesn't get emotional.
It is very likely that say 2 people will win $20,000 with this system, but at the same time 6 other players will reach the $1,250 stop loss a couple times and give up.
Anyway, I wish good luck and big winnings to everyone who plays it :thumbsup:
Quote from: ati on Aug 22, 02:35 PM 2019it's a progression system, and those can work nicely in simulations
Well? it´s simple as that, (IF/When played for real) you have the BR, then, that you are *prepared* to reach the wingoal 90% of the time? 10% of the games will be lost...ofc....we will se if this is true then?, from all that already got the system can test that, and see that it´s correct, also we will now do more testings,.....and see if this is true or not....yes
i do not want to "scam" anyone, and it was not an illusion that i won 39 out of 40 live-sessions then? could it be "extreme luck" we will see...yes
Iggy, congrats first. Nice graph.
I would pay for it in advance - no Problem. But let me ask a question : you said you tested 40 sessions on live spins.
That means b&m casino?
Your graphs are over 1000 spins. Not possible in b&m. How many spins were needed to reach your target on the live spins?
Thx
Max
Quote from: RFMAXX on Aug 22, 02:56 PM 2019
Iggy, congrats first. Nice graph.
I would pay for it in advance - no Problem. But let me ask a question : you said you tested 40 sessions on live spins.
That means b&m casino?
Your graphs are over 1000 spins. Not possible in b&m. How many spins were needed to reach your target on the live spins?
Thx
Max
hi, :) yes it was Live-spins downloaded from casinos with RX... As with the MM i´ve already mentioned BR/Stoploss 1250u, wingoal +500u, (and wingoal is typically reach within 800 livespins or so) ofc, a lower wingoal could be used, then when played for real..iknow, a typical "live session" would be like 300 spins or so?...anyway, send me a mail; ignatus@hotmail.se... cheers O0
I don't see why you need testers when you have already written RX code for the system? Just run it over a few million spins then you will know whether you really do have a HG.
Quote from: Joe on Aug 22, 03:23 PM 2019
I don't see why you need testers when you have already written RX code for the system? Just run it over a few million spins then you will know whether you really do have a HG.
Yes, that´s right. now tested 50 000 spins, nonstop,... and? Good news is it´s a 87% winrate, the Bad new IS that i´ve mis-calculated(?) obviously the BET/Risk as you can see below. so i cannot longer promise the same profit (but the winrate should be close to what i said?) with this new moneymanagement then, a minimum of 2500u is Required (to go through all 9 steps in the progressline).. now tested with a +500u wingoal... Problem now, is, first to find a casino that accept Highest bet 405u, also, this large BR, required.... i am sorry, that now, i realize the mistake? and my miscalculations?. so that´s what i figure now?,....Anyway, IF someone who bought the system want their money back now, (with this new information) pls contact me, thank you.
Progression; 1,1,1,2,5,15,45,135,405Risk/BET calculation
Bet 1; 1u
Bet 2; 2u
Bet 3; 3u
Bet 4; 8u
Bet 5; 25u
Bet 6; 90u
Bet 7; 270u
Bet 8; 810u
Bet 9; 1215u
============
Total Risk/BET= 2424u
TEST1; Total spins 51 806
(WG +500/SL-2500)
54/62 Games won=87% winrate
Lost; 8*2500=20000
won; 54*500=27000
Total=+7000u
Just look bet progression its quite risky quite quick it rise high bets, and if need play 300-800spins win 500 its too much spins who have time play 300-800 spins daily same table and what happend is table go offline internet connection failure .etc
Also need start play min 2500 too much and not good if your first session is loss session 2500 so after that you need another 2500 and win 5 session straight win back first 2500 which loss but problem is what if you dont win 5 sessions straight get some loss session then its quite much based luck win session without loss session.
When win rate is not 99-100% loss can come any time, even first tryout and then you need hunt loss cash back and bad shit you just might loss more when hunt losses back.
Well now, All hope is not lost. i have now tested the original MM (WG +500/ SL -1250) only Not played with the last step in the progressionline,(Highest bet 135u) 50 000 spins nonstop and that ended up with a 74% winrate and +10 000u profit..
Progression; 1,1,1,2,5,15,45,135.
Risk/BET calculation
Bet 1; 1u
Bet 2; 2u
Bet 3; 3u
Bet 4; 8u
Bet 5; 25u
Bet 6; 90u
Bet 7; 270u
Bet 8; 810u
============
Total Risk/BET= 1209u
TEST2; Total spins 51407
(WG +500/SL-1250)
146/196 Games won=74% winrate
Lost; 50*1250=62500
Won; 146*500=73000
Total= +10500u
Its not a holy grail ....we have bets above our house limits
Well now, i have been struggling to get this to work, (longer term play) ....but really it´s meant for short sessions, anyway, (now the code is without SL and WG, use your own MM) ...you don´t know how much i´ve been struggling with this now, but i guess, this is the best i can do for now. So. i decided to publish this bet..
Gameplay/Procedure;
OK. TRIGGER (2 hits within column A or C) IF column 1-34 Hit 2 times, you begin BET with corner (2/6), next (8/12)...and so on.
Once you got the trigger Start Bet. --> When for an example you get a trigger (2 hits within column 3-36) you start BET. You begin place 1 corner(1/5) next you place a second corner(7/11), next you place a third corner(13/17), next corner(19/23), next corner(25/29), and Finally corner (31/35),....A 6 corner bet,KEEP the same bet, but continue progressionline, for each spin,+1 step.
Progressionline (11 steps); 1,1,2,4,12,30,75,150,325,750,1000
In the code it´s played with a "positive negative progressionline", that is, it reset only when reached a new high. (this RX-code "don´t reset until reached a new high" is not perfect..anyway).
TEST1 LIVE-spins
RX-code
system "Progressive corner BET v8"
// © ignatus 2019 ©
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
Set List [1,1,2,4,12,30,75,150,325,750,1000]
to Record "progression" Data
end
put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
Copy List [corner(1:5)] to Record "L1" Layout
Copy List [corner(7:11)] to Record "L2" Layout
Copy List [corner(13:17)] to Record "L3" Layout
Copy List [corner(19:23)] to Record "L4" Layout
Copy List [corner(25:29)] to Record "L5" Layout
Copy List [corner(31:35)] to Record "L6" Layout
Copy List [corner(2:6)] to Record "c1" Layout
Copy List [corner(8:12)] to Record "c2" Layout
Copy List [corner(14:18)] to Record "c3" Layout
Copy List [corner(20:24)] to Record "c4" Layout
Copy List [corner(26:30)] to Record "c5" Layout
Copy List [corner(32:36)] to Record "c6" Layout
while on each spin
begin
if total inside bets count = 0 each
begin
if column c has hit more 1 times each
begin
set flag "bet" true
end
if column a has hit more 1 times each
begin
set flag "bet2" true
end
end
IF flag "bet" true each
begin
if flag "L5" true each
begin
set flag "L6" true
end
if flag "L4" true each
begin
set flag "L5" true
end
if flag "L3" true each
begin
set flag "L4" true
end
if flag "L2" true each
begin
set flag "L3" true
end
if flag "L1" true each
begin
set flag "L2" true
end
if flag "L1" false each
begin
set flag "L1" true
end
end
IF flag "bet2" true each
begin
if flag "c5" true each
begin
set flag "c6" true
end
if flag "c4" true each
begin
set flag "c5" true
end
if flag "c3" true each
begin
set flag "c4" true
end
if flag "c2" true each
begin
set flag "c3" true
end
if flag "c1" true each
begin
set flag "c2" true
end
if flag "c1" false each
begin
set flag "c1" true
end
end
IF any inside bet lost each
begin
add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
end
If any inside bet won each
begin
set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
// Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
// add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
if Bankroll >= Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
begin
clear Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
put 100% Bankroll to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
end
end
{ if total spin count >= 300 each
begin
stop session
end
}
if total bankroll <= -2000 each
begin
{ add 1 to record "lost sessions" data index
put 0 on total bankroll
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
}
// stop session
end
{ if total bankroll >= 350 each
begin
add 1 to record "won sessions" data index
put 0 on total bankroll
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
//stop session
end
}
IF flag "L1" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L1" Layout List
end
IF flag "L2" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L2" Layout List
end
IF flag "L3" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L3" Layout List
end
IF flag "L4" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L4" Layout List
end
IF flag "L5" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L5" Layout List
end
IF flag "L6" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L6" Layout List
{ set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
}
end
IF flag "c1" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c1" Layout List
end
IF flag "c2" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c2" Layout List
end
IF flag "c3" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c3" Layout List
end
IF flag "c4" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c4" Layout List
end
IF flag "c5" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c5" Layout List
end
IF flag "c6" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c6" Layout List
{ set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
}
end
If Record "progression" Data Index >
Record "progression" Data Count
Begin
set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
clear Record "L1" Layout
clear Record "L2" Layout
clear Record "B3" Layout
clear Record "B4" Layout
End
end
END
OK, just now, tested another progressionline, (that seemd to work better) try that one...(To find the best progressionline, is a work in progress)...
Progressionline; 1,1,1,2,4,12,35,105,300,750,1000
RX-code
system "Progressive corner BET v8"
// © ignatus 2019 ©
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
Set List [1,1,1,2,4,12,35,105,300,750,1000]
to Record "progression" Data
end
put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
Copy List [corner(1:5)] to Record "L1" Layout
Copy List [corner(7:11)] to Record "L2" Layout
Copy List [corner(13:17)] to Record "L3" Layout
Copy List [corner(19:23)] to Record "L4" Layout
Copy List [corner(25:29)] to Record "L5" Layout
Copy List [corner(31:35)] to Record "L6" Layout
Copy List [corner(2:6)] to Record "c1" Layout
Copy List [corner(8:12)] to Record "c2" Layout
Copy List [corner(14:18)] to Record "c3" Layout
Copy List [corner(20:24)] to Record "c4" Layout
Copy List [corner(26:30)] to Record "c5" Layout
Copy List [corner(32:36)] to Record "c6" Layout
while on each spin
begin
if total inside bets count = 0 each
begin
if column c has hit more 1 times each
begin
set flag "bet" true
end
if column a has hit more 1 times each
begin
set flag "bet2" true
end
end
IF flag "bet" true each
begin
if flag "L5" true each
begin
set flag "L6" true
end
if flag "L4" true each
begin
set flag "L5" true
end
if flag "L3" true each
begin
set flag "L4" true
end
if flag "L2" true each
begin
set flag "L3" true
end
if flag "L1" true each
begin
set flag "L2" true
end
if flag "L1" false each
begin
set flag "L1" true
end
end
IF flag "bet2" true each
begin
if flag "c5" true each
begin
set flag "c6" true
end
if flag "c4" true each
begin
set flag "c5" true
end
if flag "c3" true each
begin
set flag "c4" true
end
if flag "c2" true each
begin
set flag "c3" true
end
if flag "c1" true each
begin
set flag "c2" true
end
if flag "c1" false each
begin
set flag "c1" true
end
end
IF any inside bet lost each
begin
add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
end
If any inside bet won each
begin
set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
// Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
// add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
if Bankroll >= Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
begin
clear Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
put 100% Bankroll to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
end
end
{ if total spin count >= 300 each
begin
stop session
end
}
if total bankroll <= -2000 each
begin
{ add 1 to record "lost sessions" data index
put 0 on total bankroll
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
}
// stop session
end
{ if total bankroll >= 350 each
begin
add 1 to record "won sessions" data index
put 0 on total bankroll
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
//stop session
end
}
IF flag "L1" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L1" Layout List
end
IF flag "L2" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L2" Layout List
end
IF flag "L3" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L3" Layout List
end
IF flag "L4" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L4" Layout List
end
IF flag "L5" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L5" Layout List
end
IF flag "L6" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L6" Layout List
{ set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
}
end
IF flag "c1" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c1" Layout List
end
IF flag "c2" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c2" Layout List
end
IF flag "c3" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c3" Layout List
end
IF flag "c4" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c4" Layout List
end
IF flag "c5" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c5" Layout List
end
IF flag "c6" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c6" Layout List
{ set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
}
end
If Record "progression" Data Index >
Record "progression" Data Count
Begin
set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
clear Record "L1" Layout
clear Record "L2" Layout
clear Record "B3" Layout
clear Record "B4" Layout
End
end
END
Tested now 80 000spins (nonstop) with the last progressionline posted, with Wg/Sl +250/-500 and that ended up with a 76% winrate...
(Wg+250/Sl-500)
Total spins:81713
132/173 won=76% winrate
lost:41*500=20500
won:132*250=33000
Total=+12500
There isn't any need for such drawdown, which is why people aren't paying you $100.
Quote from: Alan B on Aug 23, 01:20 PM 2019
There isn't any need for such drawdown, which is why people aren't paying you $100.
do not cry, this was based on my original HG "Progressive Line Bet" ..i will tell you more about that (see other thread)
This Thread is officially now closed......(i have the HG already posted as you will see) >:D
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 23, 02:06 PM 2019
do not cry, this was based on my original HG "Progressive Line Bet" ..i will tell you more about that (see other thread)
This Thread is officially now closed......(i have the HG already posted as you will see) >:D
Yes your all new system is HG. You have 2000 HG
Quote from: Mister Eko on Aug 23, 05:17 PM 2019
Yes your all new system is HG. You have 2000 HG
Longer term play it won´t work, obviously, shorter term it should work. (with the proper moneymanagement...)
Quote from: ati on Aug 22, 02:35 PM 2019Attached is chart of a simple follow the last EC bet with martingale progression. It works with 1000 units stop loss, until it doesn't...
Thank you ATI for this amazing post.
I admire your work Ignatus, but your system will never work in the long run. You might win day after day but someday you get really unlucky. And it doesn't matter if you just play once a day or many times a day. You bankroll will wipe out or be much lower. If it's not 100 procent sure to work, it will never work.
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 23, 07:52 PM 2019Longer term play it won´t work, obviously, shorter term it should work.
This makes no sense whatsoever, It's like saying that a wall made out of red bricks isn't a red wall.
Basic arithmetic : if you add up lots of positive small numbers you will end up with one large positive number, not a negative number.
Quote from: Joe on Aug 24, 05:16 AM 2019Longer term play it won´t work, obviously, shorter term it should work.
This makes no sense whatsoever
ofc it makes sense, what i mean by that IS to play with a proper moneymanagement.... That is ? for an example you have a 250u wingoal ... For each time that target is reaced you stop/Restart....Now, if you would play with a 1000u wingoal then for an example, chances are greater that you will not reach that target (and that means less winrate/less profits) and so on.... That´s what i mean, this system will work SHORT TERM (with a low wingoal) etc...
Quote from: boyd30 on Aug 24, 04:41 AM 2019I admire your work Ignatus, but your system will never work in the long run.
I'm sure that after thousands of system he knows very well what to expect in the long run. :) But bet selections can make a big difference in the results, so some systems do much better than others.
Since the discussion is about HG, would you guys call a system a HG that beats rng flat bet, but has periods where it breaks even for a few thousand spins?
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 24, 05:30 AM 2019That´s what i mean, this system will work SHORT TERM (with a low wingoal)
In that case the best win goal would be 1 unit, but that won't work either as many people have discovered. Win goals and stop losses are faulty strategies and never add anything to your edge. If you don't have an edge a win goal/stop loss won't give you one on its own, and if you already have an edge a win goal/stop loss won't increase it.
Win goals and stop losses don't work because they are arbitrary points at which you choose to end a session. How can this possibly affect your profits? If your bet selection works then the more you play the more you win and if it doesn't the more you play the more you lose. That's it! When you choose to quit is irrelevant. Win goals and loss limits are one of the biggest myths in gambling.
How often do you hear the mantra "quit when you're ahead"? It's complete bollocks.
Quote from: ati on Aug 24, 05:40 AM 2019beats rng flat bet, but has periods where it breaks even for a few thousand spins?
Hi ati,
can you show something like that ?
Only the existence of an unicorn allows to name it ! .... Or was it the other way ?
Everything what has a name exists ? ...
Now I know : if an old bearded man says ... exists, than it exists
(only if the old bearded man gains a lot of money and power )
(ignatus is too young ^-^ )
Quote from: Joe on Aug 24, 05:47 AM 2019Win goals and stop losses are faulty strategies and never add anything to your edge.
We don´t need to argue, but i show you 3 examples here (same spins, different WG/SL)...as you can see in these 3 examples, WG/SL *DO Matter*, with the wrong WG/SL you will not make the same profit, and have the same winrate, as you can see below;(This system test, example)
======================
TEST1 (WG+250/SL-500)
54/83 won=65%Lost: 29*500=14500
Won: 54*250=27000
TOTAL=+12500======================
TEST2 (WG+500/SL-1000)
26/40 won=65% winrateLost: 14*1000=14000
Won: 26*500=13000
TOTAL=-1000======================
TEST3 (WG+1000/SL-2000)
12/23 won=52% winrateLost: 11*2000=22000
Won: 12*1000=12000
TOTAL=-10000=====================
For a true and fair comparison you need to play for the same number of spins/bets for each SL/WG. I don't think you're doing that. Try running your code for say 20,000 bets for each SL/WG and you'll see the difference. The win rate isn't important, only the final profit/loss is.
You cant prove effectiveness from limited results. For example, changing a stop loss may be better in one trial, but not another.
If your proof is only profit/loss, you need much more data.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 25, 01:00 AM 2019You cant prove effectiveness from limited results
Hi Steve. Well, it´s obvious that a wrong WG/SL doesn´t give the same profit and winrate, this i have proven, ofc, this was "only" 30 000 spins or so, but the results will not change much from larger spin-test....
Well, that you believe that this is a FAILED system/method, think again? Now, why i misunderstood, and feared was my mistake...that i didn´t believe....now, let´s facts talk for themselves? and you can test yourself and see? That this is the closest to a HG, still....also, those who have not payed yet, are welcome to pay. And those who have not, are welcome to make donations, (This is the original system/progression) But now with a different MM (WG+750/SL-1000)
TEST
+753
+755
+755
-1056
+755
+751
+754
-1176
-1197
+754
========
7/10
Total=+1848
+755
+755
-1072
+754
+750
+753
+757
+752
+751
+755
========
9/10
Total=+5710
-1093
+754
+752
+751
+752
+752
+751
-1142
+751
+757
=========
8/10
Total=+3785
RX.code (Original)
system "Progressive corner BET v1"
// © ignatus 2019 ©
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
Set List [1,1,1,2,5,15,45,135,405]
to Record "progression" Data
end
put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
Copy List [corner(1:5)] to Record "L1" Layout
Copy List [corner(7:11)] to Record "L2" Layout
Copy List [corner(13:17)] to Record "L3" Layout
Copy List [corner(19:23)] to Record "L4" Layout
Copy List [corner(25:29)] to Record "L5" Layout
Copy List [corner(31:35)] to Record "L6" Layout
Copy List [corner(2:6)] to Record "c1" Layout
Copy List [corner(8:12)] to Record "c2" Layout
Copy List [corner(14:18)] to Record "c3" Layout
Copy List [corner(20:24)] to Record "c4" Layout
Copy List [corner(26:30)] to Record "c5" Layout
Copy List [corner(32:36)] to Record "c6" Layout
while on each spin
begin
if total inside bets count = 0 each
begin
if column c has hit more 1 times each
begin
set flag "bet" true
end
if column a has hit more 1 times each
begin
set flag "bet2" true
end
end
IF flag "bet" true each
begin
if flag "L5" true each
begin
set flag "L6" true
end
if flag "L4" true each
begin
set flag "L5" true
end
if flag "L3" true each
begin
set flag "L4" true
end
if flag "L2" true each
begin
set flag "L3" true
end
if flag "L1" true each
begin
set flag "L2" true
end
if flag "L1" false each
begin
set flag "L1" true
end
end
IF flag "bet2" true each
begin
if flag "c5" true each
begin
set flag "c6" true
end
if flag "c4" true each
begin
set flag "c5" true
end
if flag "c3" true each
begin
set flag "c4" true
end
if flag "c2" true each
begin
set flag "c3" true
end
if flag "c1" true each
begin
set flag "c2" true
end
if flag "c1" false each
begin
set flag "c1" true
end
end
IF any inside bet lost each
begin
add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
end
If any inside bet won each
begin
set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
// add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
{
if Bankroll >= Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
begin
clear Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
put 100% Bankroll to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
end
}
end
{ if total spin count >= 300 each
begin
stop session
end
}
if total bankroll <= -1000 each
begin
{ add 1 to record "lost sessions" data index
put 0 on total bankroll
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
}
stop session
end
if total bankroll >= 750 each
begin
{ add 1 to record "won sessions" data index
put 0 on total bankroll
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
}
stop session
end
IF flag "L1" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L1" Layout List
end
IF flag "L2" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L2" Layout List
end
IF flag "L3" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L3" Layout List
end
IF flag "L4" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L4" Layout List
end
IF flag "L5" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L5" Layout List
end
IF flag "L6" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "L6" Layout List
{ set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
}
end
IF flag "c1" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c1" Layout List
end
IF flag "c2" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c2" Layout List
end
IF flag "c3" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c3" Layout List
end
IF flag "c4" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c4" Layout List
end
IF flag "c5" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c5" Layout List
end
IF flag "c6" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "c6" Layout List
{ set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
}
end
If Record "progression" Data Index >
Record "progression" Data Count
Begin
set flag "bet" false
set flag "bet2" false
set flag "L1" false
set flag "L2" false
set flag "L3" false
set flag "L4" false
set flag "L5" false
set flag "L6" false
set flag "c1" false
set flag "c2" false
set flag "c3" false
set flag "c4" false
set flag "c5" false
set flag "c6" false
Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
clear Record "L1" Layout
clear Record "L2" Layout
clear Record "B3" Layout
clear Record "B4" Layout
End
end
END
Test 10 random systems over 10,000 spins. The one that performs is not the best of the 10 systems. It just had the best results with the spins.
I believe you are honest ignatus. But your approach doesnt work. It is just bets with random accuracy. Progression wont help either.
If one system consistently does better than others in a set amount of spins, it has to do with numbers covered and progression, not that the system is better.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 25, 05:01 AM 2019Test 10 random systems over 10,000 spins. The one that performs is not the best of the 10 systems. It just had the best results with the spins.
I believe you are honest ignatus. But your approach doesnt work. It is just bets with random accuracy. Progression wont help either.
well, fact is fact, as i said a wrong WG/SL will *not* give the same profit and winrate.(This is true, as i have also proven) Now, i just showed this system made +11343u in 30 games/sessions...so people can test for themselves....
Does anybody have the same results like ignatus?
Hi Ignatus, in your previous post u told us that u have tested 50k spins nonstop. May I know how do u defined your win goal? For example, your win goal is 250, then u stop/restart, nonstop mean u will continue to play with another 250 win goal. If u play non stop, what is the difference if u play 250+250+250 win goal with only 500 or 750 or 1000 win goal?
Just a friendly, clarification needed, appreciate your hard work on this.
For years, the truth was on my nose and i still didn't see it. Most of you are still well in that stage. When you finally understand it, you'll regret the wasted time.
Quote from: Johnoholic on Aug 26, 03:18 AM 2019
Hi Ignatus, in your previous post u told us that u have tested 50k spins nonstop. May I know how do u defined your win goal? For example, your win goal is 250, then u stop/restart, nonstop mean u will continue to play with another 250 win goal. If u play non stop, what is the difference if u play 250+250+250 win goal with only 500 or 750 or 1000 win goal?
Just a friendly, clarification needed, appreciate your hard work on this.
Well, the difference between WG+250/SL-500 and WG+750/SL-1000 IS ofcourse (from testing trial and error, these losing sessions with +250/500 i wanted to turn into winning sessions, therefore i tested increase SL until it became a winner, and this "limit" for this particular bet was SL -1000u, Also, to make it Profitable with this kind of Stoploss, I also had to increase WG to +750u, (Real play this is ofc an unrealistic WG, because it takes some thousand of spins to reach that.....so ofc, playing for real, you STILL would need a 1000u BR/SL (since this was the most profitable) and so on, To summarize +250/-500 WG/SL *does not* give the same profit/winrate as +750/-1000 (as i´ve tested from trial and error). :)
Ignatus, your bet selection method changes nothing. Accuracy is unchanged. So your system is no better than random bets.
You aren't getting past the fact that trawling system rules will change the results. That's because different bets will mean either better or worse results. It doesn't mean the system is better or worse.
Really i want you to succeed. You work hard. But you're still looking in the wrong area and not understanding basics, like almost everyone else.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 26, 05:37 AM 2019But you're still looking in the wrong area and not understanding basics
May be so, but we play in different ways, this is carpet-based and played with a neg. progressionline. End of story. Now you may argue this is "bad",....but then, you can do your testings yourself, and see that this system works, perfectly fine.
Only because you play different, good... now this is what is what it is, just accept it. Only then Winrate/profits need to be proven (as i have Already proven, this IS a profitable system with a high winrate)...And that´s all that matters to me.
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 26, 11:55 AM 2019but we play in different ways
I'm not talking about how I play. I'm talking plain what does and doesn't work, and why.
Quote from: ignatus on Aug 26, 11:55 AM 2019Only because you play different, good... now this is what is what it is, just accept it
Again you're acting like I'm criticizing your method because of my personal preference.
If you are winning, keep doing it. Many times I once thought I had a great system, and it was working well. Then later I learned it may have performed better over a set amount of spins, but this had to do with amount of numbers covered and the progression - and some luck. I repeated this process many times and it ended in eventual disappointment, and the realization that my bet selection was completely ineffective. But everyone needs to learn that for themselves.
Some test results. Quite much every method loss roulette some point, i think longer you play some point house edge gets you. But the sad thing is that the loss can come though not play for long
If you think of the history of the big winners of roulette, all have bet just single straight numbers, so imagining that you would win other bets like split corner .etc is just a waste of time.
You are not meat to play that way. As i said MONEYMANAGEMENT is crucial. With a wrong SL/WG you WILL lose ofc? ......this is just a stupid example..... if you would have listened to what i said. You *must* play with a 1000u BR/Stoploss. Everytime you LOSE that amount in one session, that is one LOST session. everytime you WIN 750u (or whatever you wingoal is).... Go try again, count and compare then your winnings to your losses. I have already demostrated that with a 1000u BR/Stoploss and 750u wingoal you WILL win more than you lose. That´s for sure. Playing endlessly like this? No. That´s wrong...
Is stop loss 500 units when start playing 1000 units win 750 it would be more low risk when win goal would be 30-50% so win like 300-500units when start play 1000 units
Test some evolution gaming live roulette each table just 100 spins played
more results
results more
Win 100 spins like around 30-60 units. So if win goal is 750 units, you need play quite much lot of spins maybe too much need rather long session over 1000 spins so who would play so many spins so long very long gaming session.
Yes, it´s true, you play shorter sessions ofc , if played for real a "normal" live session is about 200-300 spins ...
Test...
Test...
Jesus what are these enermous drawdowns..
Quote from: Mister Eko on Sep 01, 07:59 AM 2019
Jesus what are these enermous drawdowns..
the truth is you will never in a million years ever see a perfect graph.
Ignatus,
I am brand new to this forum and very new to roulette. Do you know where I can get a working spreadsheet that you are using? Would you also happen to know where I can get a working copy of the attached sample36spin cycle also? Thanks.
Hi Ignatus!
I would like to ask for help. Roulette Extreme does not work. Unfortunately, my "break" folder has disappeared. Can you share an RX program with me? Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Face on Jan 05, 03:34 AM 2020
Hi Ignatus!
I would like to ask for help. Roulette Extreme does not work. Unfortunately, my "break" folder has disappeared. Can you share an RX program with me? Thanks in advance.
its not possible, sry, buy the software, if you like it.