Hi.
I have an idea to the line bets. Feel free to test it.
Methodus: The last 2 doublestreet which hit at least 2 times. Bet them for 6 spins, if no hit, retrack, if hit once, drop the hit one, and continue betting other one for 6 spins. If not hit, retrack. I not thought about progression, nothing I did with this, I just wrote next to numebrs ds numebrs, and W/L things. Quet good hitrate!
167 trigger -> 137 W/29L -> 83%
Maybe a little progression can help us. I think that for too long times we should not take one line more than 2-3 times, because it will go to sleep. I think after 2 -3 time wins wait new "trigger".
TEST:
1 1
4 1
26 5
30 5
10 2
33 6 5+1
7 2
15 3
18 3
15 3
1 1 W 5
26 5 W 3+2
4 1
33 3 W 2
20 4
23 4
23 4
2 1
6 1
35 6 L 1+4
16 3
8 2
9 2
3 1 W 4
22 4 W 1+2
7 2 W 1
34 4
15 3
5 1 W 4+1
31 6
21 4 W 1
9 2
12 2
29 5
22 4
3 1 W 2+4
26 5
18 3
2 1
35 6
1 1
35 6 L 1+6
8 2
31 6 W 1
25 5
18 3
9 2
4 1 W 2+6
28 5
4 1
12 2 W 6
27 5
6 1
8 2
17 3
25 5
35 6 W 6+1
35 6 W 1
2 1 W 6+1
2 1 W 6
8 2
29 5
8 2
29 5
35 6 W 5+2
28 5 W 2
4 1
36 6
25 5
15 3
6 1
34 5 L 1+5
2 1 W 5
10 2
31 6
25 5 W 1+5
30 5 W 1
24 4
13 3
1 1 W 1+5
12 2
16 3
9 2
12 2
26 5 W 1
20 4
14 3
36 6
30 5
30 5
23 4 L 5+4
26 5 W 4
14 3
1 1
14 3
1 1
5 1
4 1 L 1+3
25 5
3 1 W 3
1 1
9 2
31 6
33 6
6 1
7 2 L 1+6
4 1 W 6
34 6 W 6
0
1 1
20 4
35 6 W 6+1
27 5
21 4
33 6 W 1
6 1 W 6+4
7 2
20 4 W 6
9 2
15 3
29 5
7 2
25 5
29 5 L 5+2
7 2 W 5
27 5 W 5+2
19 4
1 1
36 6
35 6
18 3
0 L 6+5
3 1
21 4
9 2
23 4
35 6 W 5
29 5 W 4+6
11 2
35 6 W 4
26 5
25 5
30 5
23 4 W 5+4
23 4 W 5
31 6
5 1
23 4
0
12 2
36 6 L 6+4
10 2
24 4 W 6
1 1
26 5
26 5
13 3
3 1
34 6 W 1+5
8 2
36 6
20 4
0
17 3
30 5 W 1
9 2
5 1 W 2+6
30 5
31 6 W 2
5 1
29 5
33 6
35 6
5 1
21 4 L 6+1
12 2
3 1 W 6
2 1
19 4
26 5
28 5
29 5
27 5 L 1+5
4 1 W 5
2 1
28 5 W 1+5
29 5 W
2 1 W 1+5
12 2
18 3
25 5 W 1
10 2
3 1 W 1+2
28 5
29 5
34 6
14 3
22 4
5 1 W 2
36 6
7 2 W
It's amazing to "feel and touch" the human stupidity post after post!
Even if since 1860 scientists, mathematicians and players have tried to find a solution without result, someone keep on looking for solutions, that don't exist!
A lot of people have tried with very powerful computers too and still no solution.
In spite of that many people keep on proposing systems, tests, progressions, bet selections, new ideas.
The only topics to develop are in my opinion:
- Bankroll
- Money management
- stop-win and stop-loss
- max number of spins per sessions-
- number of days per year, spent in a casino
- only hit and run strategies
Discussing about these items, we can find something new, help each other and decide a simple way of playing different for all players, according to the list above.
Roulette is a simple game.
Studying bet selection and progressions is like an alcohol addiction. . . . .
No reason to be so harsh
Some bet selections perform better than others
I do agree that money management and stoploss are important
I create and play silly systems to. But I use virtual losses and I play limited spins
Limiting exposure to the house edge is our strongest weapon. Play your system but don’t sit there for an hour. Limit exposure.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 05, 07:17 AM 2019The only topics to develop are in my opinion:
- Bankroll
- Money management
- stop-win and stop-loss
- max number of spins per sessions-
- number of days per year, spent in a casino
- only hit and run strategies
There's no point in having stop losses or wins, or hit and run, if you don't have a bet selection which is linked to them. When do you trigger the SL/SW?; when do you hit and when do you run? It doesn't make sense to use them at arbitrary or random times. I agree with RG that some bet selections are better than others. Also you have admitted yourself in the other thread about betting on singles and series on the even chances that :
QuoteThat's why I will look into bet selections even if there is no reason for them to work.
And what about your Quantum Roulette Predictor? That has quite a complex bet selection at its heart. ;)
To play only a few spins per session is the first important step for improving our approach.
The second one is to try to reach our goal (that you have to decide before entering a Casino!) with the lowest number of spins. This is the difficult part!!!
All the rest,waiting for 6 or 7 dozens in a row, for 10 Reds in a row, for 20 not hitting dozens are only gambler's fallacy methods.
Also ALL other bet selections or methods are useless, but if we win playing like that, we'll consider that our bet selection is the good method
No, it's pure luck and it won't last.
But it doesn't matter: we can use any bet selection (it's amazing and it satisfies our ego), if we use the rules I have illustrated in the first two phrases.
No one can post the method they play because letmewin thinks it’s all stupid.
I didn’t see the OP claim any holy grail. Forum will just be even more of a ghost town
The theory of 10 spins at the most (but the average is 2 -5 spins) is not exactly the classical hit-and run method, even if it's quite similar.
It's the method that allows to your bankroll to last the longest possible time!
I used to invent new methods, new strategies too, but I gave up!
I can admit that to try to find out a solution that doesn't exist can give to the brain a kind of self-pleasure.
But pay attention that this self-pleasure doesn't become a pathology.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 05, 12:46 PM 2019The theory of 10 spins at the most (but the average is 2 -5 spins) is not exactly the classical hit-and run method, even if it's quite similar.
It's the method that allows to your bankroll to last the longest possible time!
So what's the difference between making 7 bets, having a break then coming back another 6 times having a break every 7 spins, and making 49 bets without a break? ???
Can you prove mathematically that the first strategy is better than the second?
Yes I can.
You have to read this book for the proof.
It's a peer reviewed mathematically correct work.
DON'T Play but if you must (or if you like) follow these simple rules:
European Roulette: if you have access to "one Zero" roulette with "en prison" rule.
Play only ECs,with a "bold strategy".
It means to reach your win goal with the lowest possible number of spins.
If you want to win 10% of your Bankroll, double it or multiply it by ten times follow the rule above and on a yearly basis you have a great chance to earn money (only a few units) but it depends how much is "a unit"
Quote from: Joe on Sep 05, 01:01 PM 2019
So what's the difference between making 7 bets, having a break then coming back another 6 times having a break every 7 spins, and making 49 bets without a break? ???
Can you prove mathematically that the first strategy is better than the second?
This interest me too. i think no difference, who think it has difference, he is full of bullshit.
More hit and run play -> More spins -> More spins -> More time infront of the wheel, the only difference is the session wingoal. If its small, then easier to reach.
Once again, if you want to have fun in playing roulette you (and me too) can continue to invent, to modify, to test.....
But if you and me want to win some units regularly, maybe without much fun and no adrenalin at the roulette table we must follow the rules of the book I mentioned.
It's available on the web for a few $ or â,¬ and what's important and I forgot to say is that it was written by two famous PHD in math and statistics.
Usually these guys laugh about people that try to beat roulette or suggest systems. They consider (and maybe they are right) that no system can beat roulette.
But in this case they don't laugh even if they suggest that people must not gamble!
In "HOW TO Gamble IF YOU MUST" they explain the best way of playing roulette.
Boring ways, ten minutes at the table and other hard rules but high possibilities to be a winner!
If you read it you will be convinced and you'll stop (like I've done) masturbating your brain in complicated and useless solutions or systems.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 05, 01:01 PM 2019So what's the difference between making 7 bets, having a break then coming back another 6 times having a break every 7 spins, and making 49 bets without a break? ???
Can you prove mathematically that the first strategy is better than the second?
Joe have a look at reading randomness by gizmotron over at gambling forums; just 3 wins
First 120 spins I had a mistake to clculate instead of 17 18 . but after that it I did normal, sorry
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 05, 03:03 PM 2019You have to read this book for the proof.
It's a peer reviewed mathematically correct work.
Have you actually read the book with full understanding? I doubt it. This is specialized graduate-level stuff. I did find an easier paper online though (attached) which covers the same topic and references the book. Your interpretation is surely wrong because obviously merely splitting a long session into several short sessions can't have any affect on your bottom line. You could argue that short sessions reduces your exposure but that's not true because the exposure is just the number of bets you make, and 7 x 7 is exactly the same as 1 x 49.
The strategy advocated is more to do with money management. Bold play is better than timid play in negative expectation games, yes, but keeping your sessions short doesn't help; all that does is put off the inevitable until later.
How many sessions for recovering do I need if I lose all my session BKR?
Am I conscious that more I play the more the VIG will kill me?
The answer to the two questions is similar:
Play only a few spins and have only a few units (high value) as BKR (bold strategy).
At the end the result will be minus 1.35% of all money I have put on the table so the conclusion would be not to play at all but if you MUST play follow the rules here above and hope the "at the end" is as late as possible.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 07, 06:10 AM 2019At the end the result will be minus 1.35% of all money I have put on the table so the conclusion would be not to play at all but if you MUST play follow the rules here above and hope the "at the end" is as late as possible.
I agree, but if you're playing short sessions you have to increase the unit value to make it worth your while, so what you gain from playing a short session is offset by the risk of greater loss than if you had been using smaller units over a longer playing session.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 07, 07:11 AM 2019
I agree, but if you're playing short sessions you have to increase the unit value to make it worth your while, so what you gain from playing a short session is offset by the risk of greater loss than if you had been using smaller units over a longer playing session.
Agree. The difference between 7x7 bet and 1x49 bet that in 7x7 bet maybe you have reached 7x your session goal, and in long 49 bet without break you might have different session result.
So I think we have solved roulette now.
We must play according to the rules in the two attached images.
What I understand you can have 6 losses in a row. If you lose the 6 bets you will lose 10 units.
BR Loss
1 1 unit on 8:1. 0
2 1 unit on 8:1. 1
5 3 units on 2:1. 2
7 2 units on 2:1. 5
9 2 units on 1:1. 7
10 1 unit on 1:1. 9
Sorry if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 07, 09:07 AM 2019We must play according to the rules in the two attached images.
It's not clear to me how the system should be played; can we have an example?
Andre is correct in his example.
Six loss in a row causes ten units lost and end of session.
BET selections don't exist so play any EC or DOZ or CORNER
Anytime a profit of one unit is made bank the profit and start again with ten units.
Follow the money management plan rules for when to quit the session assuming you can avoid the six losses in a row.
Still not clear. What happened to the 5:1 bets? What do you bet if you get a win in the sequence?
You can't ever reach the 5/1 bets.
Your next bet is determined by the amount of units in your bankroll.
Anytime you are +1 you restart.
I changed my mind!
Now I think it's better to play like explained below.
4 unit bankroll with the aim of doubling it to 8 units playing red or black.
Try to win two out of three sessions :thumbsup:
We start with 4 units and we use them to win 4 more units. It's a very clever positioning of the won units that makes this a strong method. Explanation follows.
Here's our chart. It has 4 patterns. Memorize it. It's easy to do.
1 1 1 1 = 4 units
1 2 1 1 = 5 units
1 1 2 2 = 6 units
1 1 2 3 = 7 units
Start with 4 units 1 1 1 1
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, put it on the 2nd unit like this 1 2 1 1.
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, put it on the 4th unit and move 1 unit from the 2nd position to the 3rd position like this 1 1 2 2.
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, put it on the 4th position like this 1 1 2 3.
Bet the 1st unit. If it wins, we have won 4 units. Goal accomplished.
But what if we don't win 4 times in a row?
We always bet the leftmost position and we always try to re-create the above positions.
We bet the 1st unit and if we lose, we bet the 2nd unit.
If we win on the 2nd unit we replace the 1st lost unit and we have 1 1 1 1 again. Start over.
If we win the 1st bet we will have 1 2 1 1. If we lose the next bet we will have X 2 1 1.
The leftmost number is 2 which we bet. If we win, we will have 6 units. We look at our chart and see what pattern is made up of 6 units. It's 1 1 2 2. That's our new pattern and we now bet the leftmost position, the 1st position or 1 unit.
Note: We only recreate our chart after a win. Everything stays in place after a loss.
If we win 2 times and then lose 2 times we will have X X 2 2. Since we just lost we don't re-arrange the units so our next bet is 2. A win here and we are re-arrange our chart to 1 1 2 2.
If we lose 3 times we will havel X X X 2. We bet the 2 and if we win we will have 4 units and anytime we have 4 units after a win, we re-create the 4 units pattern, 1 1 1 1.
If we have the 1 1 2 3 pattern and we lose 3 times in a row we will have X X X 3 so we bet 3. If we win we will have 6 units so we re-create the 6 units pattern, 1 1 2 2 and bet the 1st 1 next.
As you can see, the way we move the units around maximizes our chances of staying alive until we can win our 4 units.
Someone, something, the result?
Using this in UK casinos fighting against 1.35‰ whilst most morons are still fighting against 2.7‰ and having a £4,000 bankroll and using £5 chips as my base bet it has been possible to pay for a pizza and a beer but not oysters and champagne.
I combine the above with Trioplay Money Management.
4 chip betting pattern above = 1 Trioplay unit.
For me 1 trioplay unit is £20 as my bet is made up of 4 x £5 chips.
£20 x 200 units = £4,000 bankroll requirement.