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It's probably best to put this somewhere so as not to disrupt other threads.

So Let's start this off right with some music. I was introduced to this girl when she was a teenager on her way to The Berklee College of Music by her father that I knew back then.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5KGe_X77k0E

Great musicianship. 

Here's what I believe I understand about your method. 

It aims to follow a trend best identified as multiple single appearances on one side of an EC bet.   You look at at least six EC streams to try and see the desired pattern, increasing the chances of seeing it.  By waiting for what might be a single going against the trend to get into the trend, it's a lot like what stock market traders do when they wait for a pullback to hopefully get into a trend. Once you start betting, you might hit the trend one, two or three times depending how strong the trend seems.  People have pointed out the problems with this but you've posted charts showing the trend in your own capital account that seems legit.  Two of the problems being how do you know when a trend starts and stops so you can take a profitable bite out of the middle of it.  Then there's money management with seven stacks of $5 chips at $100 per stack.  The stats are interesting where a high enough strike rate overcomes occasional seven bank losses to provide a profit factor of, what, 2:1?

Have I missed anything? Not sure I understand where groupings of 12 come in, besides the six EC bet streams you look at.

Quote from: Still on Sep 14, 03:09 PM 2019
Great musicianship. 

Here's what I believe I understand about your method. 

It aims to follow a trend best identified as multiple single appearances on one side of an EC bet.   You look at at least six EC streams to try and see the desired pattern, increasing the chances of seeing it.  By waiting for what might be a single going against the trend to get into the trend, it's a lot like what stock market traders do when they wait for a pullback to hopefully get into a trend. Once you start betting, you might hit the trend one, two or three times depending how strong the trend seems.  People have pointed out the problems with this but you've posted charts showing the trend in your own capital account that seems legit.  Two of the problems being how do you know when a trend starts and stops so you can take a profitable bite out of the middle of it.  Then there's money management with seven stacks of $5 chips at $100 per stack.  The stats are interesting where a high enough strike rate overcomes occasional seven bank losses to provide a profit factor of, what, 2:1?

Have I missed anything? Not sure I understand where groupings of 12 come in, besides the six EC bet streams you look at.

Very close. The three net wins as a stop point is important. You need 2.33 session wins to break even with a seven net loss. I'm getting 4.66 sessions or better on average for each lost session. That's where the 2:1 comes from.

There are 6 groups. There are 12 sets, A / B, that make up each of the six groups of an Even Chance groupings. Example: one set of reds, one set of blacks = the red / black group.

You never know if you are in the middle or the end. It's a guess. But the most important aspect of the method is the difficulty of the session. Sometimes it's an easy win. Other times it's getting you nowhere. And some sessions swarm with first try losses as a streak. I virtual bet on first losses. They might be indicators of a streak of losses. You search for easy stretches of the session. You must use situational awareness in combination with trend identification.

I haven't showed this there yet because it is an advanced concept to look for. The size of trends swarm too. Micro trends often come in 4 or 5 spins and then they change to something else. You can get good at taking one win from micro trends or patterns.

I used the bigger concept of seeing singles on the weak side just to make sure everyone could see them in the charts. I make all my money on the ubiquitous mini trends or patterns when they swarm all over the charts. It's a very important characteristic. The size of trends tend to swarm at times. This is why you see me leave a win streak and go somewhere else looking for a new trend to bet.

Hunting the giant win streak has been my weakness for years. It's easy to side step a bad streak, to chug along slowly thru an even patch, but it's even easier to chip away at the sides of the mini characteristics too.

Incorporate multi-timeframe perspective adapted from trading and you get the big picture.

So here is my comment. You are on the right track. That's good.

However, identify every single thing that's a stumbling block to you. What is it that you can't know because of [whatever].

Write it down. It's very important you record each and every one of them down. This way you have a proper record that you can refer to of what you don't know now.

What you don't know or impossible to know is due to the limitation of your knowledge today. As you keep on this topic and now have proper record to focus on what you don't know, someday your subconcious mind may reveal the answer to you.

For someone who went very deep into the rabbit hole, I can tell you the boundaries of knowledge is much larger than what you read on forums or books or watch on youtube videos.

Understand that this is a journey where each one of us is at different locations of the path. Our location is the summation of our current knowledge and that keeps progressing at whatever rate and this growth rate rises as we learn more of the terrain.

Btw, I have 3decades of experience in this industry of directional trading.

Sadhguru said it this way,
Focus on it and the secrets of the universe will yield to you.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 14, 04:20 PM 2019
You never know if you are in the middle or the end. It's a guess.

You never know because you have not yet learnt to identify the start of new trends. Keep on at it, another day in the future when you learn this knowledge this post you write today won't apply to you anymore.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 14, 04:20 PM 2019
Hunting the giant win streak has been my weakness for years.

Assume you have the knowledge to accurately pinpoint new trends, will you be hunting giant trends or small trends ?

We do what our knowledge and skill allow us. That's why it's important to create a journal of the things we don't know.

What we don't know is normal, there is always a limit.

What is damaging is to think we know when we actually don't know.

To know what we know and what we don't know, that's true knowledge. - Confucious

Lucky,

I already know. I've been doing it right in front of you only you don't know what it is that I'm doing.

Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 14, 09:36 PM 2019
So here is my comment. You are on the right track. That's good.

Spare me.

You are clueless and probably an annoyance that is best figured as a troll. So I guess this won't be discussed here because of you.

Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 14, 09:20 PM 2019
Incorporate multi-timeframe perspective adapted from trading and you get the big picture.

Double talk, look it up.

Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 14, 09:36 PM 2019
So here is my comment. You are on the right track. That's good.

However, identify every single thing that's a stumbling block to you. What is it that you can't know because of [whatever].

Write it down. It's very important you record each and every one of them down. This way you have a proper record that you can refer to of what you don't know now.

What you don't know or impossible to know is due to the limitation of your knowledge today. As you keep on this topic and now have proper record to focus on what you don't know, someday your subconcious mind may reveal the answer to you.

For someone who went very deep into the rabbit hole, I can tell you the boundaries of knowledge is much larger than what you read on forums or books or watch on youtube videos.

Understand that this is a journey where each one of us is at different locations of the path. Our location is the summation of our current knowledge and that keeps progressing at whatever rate and this growth rate rises as we learn more of the terrain.

Btw, I have 3decades of experience in this industry of directional trading.

Sadhguru said it this way,
Focus on it and the secrets of the universe will yield to you.

What a magical pile of horse crap.

Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 14, 10:14 PM 2019
You never know because you have not yet learnt to identify the start of new trends. Keep on at it, another day in the future when you learn this knowledge this post you write today won't apply to you anymore.
Assume you have the knowledge to accurately pinpoint new trends, will you be hunting giant trends or small trends ?

We do what our knowledge and skill allow us. That's why it's important to create a journal of the things we don't know.

What we don't know is normal, there is always a limit.

What is damaging is to think we know when we actually don't know.

To know what we know and what we don't know, that's true knowledge. - Confucious

All Baloney, nice going.

Hey Lucky,

You missed out. You are the forum wrecker here.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 14, 04:20 PM 2019
Very close. The three net wins as a stop point is important. You need 2.33 session wins to break even with a seven net loss. I'm getting 4.66 sessions or better on average for each lost session. That's where the 2:1 comes from.

There are 6 groups. There are 12 sets, A / B, that make up each of the six groups of an Even Chance groupings. Example: one set of reds, one set of blacks = the red / black group.

You never know if you are in the middle or the end. It's a guess. But the most important aspect of the method is the difficulty of the session. Sometimes it's an easy win. Other times it's getting you nowhere. And some sessions swarm with first try losses as a streak. I virtual bet on first losses. They might be indicators of a streak of losses. You search for easy stretches of the session. You must use situational awareness in combination with trend identification.

I haven't showed this there yet because it is an advanced concept to look for. The size of trends swarm too. Micro trends often come in 4 or 5 spins and then they change to something else. You can get good at taking one win from micro trends or patterns.

I used the bigger concept of seeing singles on the weak side just to make sure everyone could see them in the charts. I make all my money on the ubiquitous mini trends or patterns when they swarm all over the charts. It's a very important characteristic. The size of trends tend to swarm at times. This is why you see me leave a win streak and go somewhere else looking for a new trend to bet.

Hunting the giant win streak has been my weakness for years. It's easy to side step a bad streak, to chug along slowly thru an even patch, but it's even easier to chip away at the sides of the mini characteristics too.

Hmm, i'm just wondering how this is not encoded somewhere given your advanced skills in coding.  I code too, and have to be very clear when explaining to the computer what i want it to do.  If i can do that, it's nice enough to spit back large amounts of data to tell me whether my rules have any merit.  If we are relying on human interpretation as it dances around some general rules of seeing patterns, then i am inclined to believe this is an unbeknownst reliance on precognition, as described in other threads here. I would suggest there are a lot of traders of markets who are actually getting by more on precognition then their actual rules. 

But as a rule, i'm in favor of following trends, and increasing bet size on the way up, decreasing on the way down.  I'm intrigued by the Chandelier Exit that may have been proven to work in random environments:

link:s://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/trading-investing/chandelier-exit/

I'm also looking at the idea of up as you go.  For example, we know that if you changed your R:R ratio to 2:1 you would have twice as many losses as wins in a random environment.  A 4:1 ratio would have more like 4x losses per win as one's account balance continues to break even. So why not use a 4:1 or higher ratio, and parlay, or add to winning positions at the 2x, and/or 3x marks. The number of wins will remain the same (about 25%), but now they will be bigger, finally moving the needle on one's account balance. 

I'm just not optimistic about my ability to "read" six streams of ECs without very clear rules, clear enough to feed to a computer (which is what the brain is?).   If i have to rely on precognition, i should just recognize that, and concentrate my efforts more directly on cultivating that.  Isn't this logical?

Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 14, 09:36 PM 2019
So here is my comment. You are on the right track. That's good.

However, identify every single thing that's a stumbling block to you. What is it that you can't know because of [whatever].

Write it down. It's very important you record each and every one of them down. This way you have a proper record that you can refer to of what you don't know now.

What you don't know or impossible to know is due to the limitation of your knowledge today. As you keep on this topic and now have proper record to focus on what you don't know, someday your subconcious mind may reveal the answer to you.

For someone who went very deep into the rabbit hole, I can tell you the boundaries of knowledge is much larger than what you read on forums or books or watch on youtube videos.

Understand that this is a journey where each one of us is at different locations of the path. Our location is the summation of our current knowledge and that keeps progressing at whatever rate and this growth rate rises as we learn more of the terrain.

Btw, I have 3decades of experience in this industry of directional trading.

Sadhguru said it this way,
Focus on it and the secrets of the universe will yield to you.

Maybe you are aware that this method is semi-dependent on precognition, as described in other threads here?  If so, why not join those threads and expand the knowledge base there? Preferably by adding some empirical studies, or personal reports of success?

Indeed, knowledge is where its at, and it's a major problem when a mind thinks it knows when it does not.  If your mind was filled with knowledge, there would be no room for faith, which is responsible for all phenomenon that can be seen with the human eye.  With full knowledge you would not see planets, or stars or people.  All of these, which change, are faith based phenomenon.  Observation of faith based phenom is mistakenly taken for "knowledge" when in fact it is just the observation of persistent, albeit faith-based, phenomenon.  2 + 2 = 4 is the observation of a persistent phenomenon, but it is not base in knowledge.  What causes 2 +2 to equal 4 is a faith-based phenomenon. ( It's faith that makes a unified whole seem separable and divisible into things that can be enumerated.) 

Hope this helps delineate the realm of knowledge from the realm of faith, two diametrically apposed states of mind. 

Quote from: Still on Sep 15, 12:06 AM 2019
Maybe you are aware that this method is semi-dependent on precognition, as described in other threads here?  If so, why not join those threads and expand the knowledge base there? Preferably by adding some empirical studies, or personal reports of success?

Indeed, knowledge is where its at, and it's a major problem when a mind thinks it knows when it does not.  If your mind was filled with knowledge, there would be no room for faith, which is responsible for all phenomenon that can be seen with the human eye.  With full knowledge you would not see planets, or stars or people.  All of these, which change, are faith based phenomenon.  Observation of faith based phenom is mistakenly taken for "knowledge" when in fact it is just the observation of persistent, albeit faith-based, phenomenon.  2 + 2 = 4 is the observation of a persistent phenomenon, but it is not base in knowledge.  What causes 2 +2 to equal 4 is a faith-based phenomenon. 

Hope this helps delineate the realm of knowledge from the realm of faith, two diametrically apposed states of mind.

Thank you very much still.

That's exactly what I want to communicate.

But I am not good in writing and it may come off wrongly.

Quote from: Still on Sep 15, 12:06 AM 2019
Maybe you are aware that this method is semi-dependent on precognition, as described in other threads here?  If so, why not join those threads and expand the knowledge base there? Preferably by adding some empirical studies, or personal reports of success?

Indeed, knowledge is where its at, and it's a major problem when a mind thinks it knows when it does not.  If your mind was filled with knowledge, there would be no room for faith, which is responsible for all phenomenon that can be seen with the human eye.  With full knowledge you would not see planets, or stars or people.  All of these, which change, are faith based phenomenon.  Observation of faith based phenom is mistakenly taken for "knowledge" when in fact it is just the observation of persistent, albeit faith-based, phenomenon.  2 + 2 = 4 is the observation of a persistent phenomenon, but it is not base in knowledge.  What causes 2 +2 to equal 4 is a faith-based phenomenon. ( It's faith that makes a unified whole seem separable and divisible into things that can be enumerated.) 

Hope this helps delineate the realm of knowledge from the realm of faith, two diametrically apposed states of mind.

One more thing.

If it can be coded, it's a rule.

If it can't be coded, perhaps the coding platform, example mql4 is limited.

Or like you said, it's precognition and not rules.

The objective is more rules content and less arbitrary precog.

There has to be some precog content, can't completely eliminate it.

It's a tradeoff, where bots ignore precog the performance drops. The gain is it's hands free execution.

Manual execution allows for precog therefore it's likely the performance is better. Downside is the work.

Note - I realise my posts is off-topic not related to this thread. Apologise to GizM

Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 15, 12:21 AM 2019
One more thing.

It's not very often that you get to watch someone Gaslight themselves.

 :thumbsup:

As Saint says only for the deluded.  :lol:

Quote from: Still on Sep 14, 11:46 PM 2019
I'm just not optimistic about my ability to "read" six streams of ECs without very clear rules, clear enough to feed to a computer (which is what the brain is?).   If i have to rely on precognition, i should just recognize that, and concentrate my efforts more directly on cultivating that.  Isn't this logical?

To program this it would need to numerically construct a valuation criteria that compares likelihood scenarios for every known characteristic, and run those considerations against actual effectiveness results. I have only shared a very few characteristics.

It would need to identify the differences between swarms of the same characteristic and the absence of such swarms. So you would need to apply 20 major characteristics and filter all that through pattern recognition, domination, strong side weak side, size of trends in swarms, lone super streaks, perfect symmetry, and the total absence of any formations just to make note of the best features of reading randomness. Once you have a best bet selection solution the software would then need to relate all bet selection results to identify the three basic forms of effectiveness. And last the agility to recognize change must be programmed into the robot. It must get off of things once it becomes attached to them.

Now you have the basics of the rules required to perform optimal execution. It's all very simple actually. The human brain can be trained to do things thru a kind of mental muscle memory. I just keep a checklist of characteristics in my head. Characteristics, patterns, trends, formation sizes, global swarms, and changes are all part of the recognition function. The consideration for effectiveness balancing is a strategic function. The primary achievement function is in 3 net wins and done or 7 net losses and done.

Learn all that and then program it. You will have created artificial intelligence that functions as a rare form of agility binding with selection optimization.  Your algorithms will end up being mathematical validation. Simple enough. I would expect at least a million lines of code if you are smart enough to create your own class libraries and utilize object oriented programming techniques from those classes. In my preferred 4th generation language they are called functions. You would need to create an operating system for reading randomness. You could then program your million lines of code after that.

There is no precognition going on here. It's all functionary and logic based. I'm teaching the very first baby steps. Some babies want to chew on the crib for a while.

I think that I need to clear something up for those that are not clear on strategy.

I mostly use a two step method against another two step method. When in trouble with it, all be it a limited trouble, I go to flat betting to get out of it.

7 net losses at value 1 are figured this way: (1 X 18) x 7 = 126
Bets at value 1 are $18 simulated.

3 net wins at value 1 adds up to $54

If I flat bet at value 2 and lose 7 times in the aggregate then that adds up to 252

So to play to win $54 I need $252 as my session bankroll.

If I flat bet at value 1 then I just need $126 as my bankroll.

So the progression steps are these.

Up & Pull means value 2, then value 1 on next funded bet selection.

Mini Martingale means value 1, then value 2 with flat betting at value 2 after that.

The value 2 is maintained until the recovery of all lost amounts before the failure point.

The session is played to get 3 net wins at value 1 ( $54)  with a bankroll that could lose $252 ( 7 net losses at value 2 ).

It takes twice as many wins to balance as flat betting does.

Flat betting is the better strategy. When I play the 2,1 / 1, 2 system I always play to win. I don't stop at 7 net losses.  I wait and use virtual bets and just wait until I catch a super good effectiveness streak. It's not difficult as long as you maintain your self control. Battling all day to get back to even is doable but it is mostly just a point of pride.

This information should illustrate the common sense that flat betting makes. It's best to grind out easier and less damaging comebacks. Sometimes I will add the band-aid to a flat betting session and hope that I have not  dug an even deeper hole.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 15, 09:07 AM 2019
I think that I need to clear something up for those that are not clear on strategy.

I mostly use a two step method against another two step method. When in trouble with it, all be it a limited trouble, I go to flat betting to get out of it.

7 net losses at value 1 are figured this way: (1 X 18) x 7 = 126
Bets at value 1 are $18 simulated.

3 net wins at value 1 adds up to $54

If I flat bet at value 2 and lose 7 times in the aggregate then that adds up to 252

So to play to win $54 I need $252 as my session bankroll.

If I flat bet at value 1 then I just need $126 as my bankroll.

So the progression steps are these.

Up & Pull means value 2, then value 1 on next funded bet selection.

Mini Martingale means value 1, then value 2 with flat betting at value 2 after that.

The value 2 is maintained until the recovery of all lost amounts before the failure point.

The session is played to get 3 net wins at value 1 ( $54)  with a bankroll that could lose $252 ( 7 net losses at value 2 ).

It takes twice as many wins to balance as flat betting does.

Flat betting is the better strategy. When I play the 2,1 / 1, 2 system I always play to win. I don't stop at 7 net losses.  I wait and use virtual bets and just wait until I catch a super good effectiveness streak. It's not difficult as long as you maintain your self control. Battling all day to get back to even is doable but it is mostly just a point of pride.

This information should illustrate the common sense that flat betting makes. It's best to grind out easier and less damaging comebacks. Sometimes I will add the band-aid to a flat betting session and hope that I have not  dug an even deeper hole.

Great information Gizmo. I'm continuing with my testing but playing more conservatively. I'm trying to flat-bet as much as possible, occasionally introducing a progression as you described above.

I should be finished this next series of tests later tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. I'll post results when complete.

Cheers

For anyone that thinks I'm scamming people, the only person accusing me is a known malignant narcissist that took over the ownership of bet selection dot cc. He likes to sign into many forums with different names and talk to himself, endear himself to others, to lie, to gaslight, to dox, to  say racist remarks that are on a scale with the KKK. As a malignant narcissistic he goes from attempting to get primary support for his fake self esteem. If that fails he tries to get  secondary support that somehow still gives hi what he needs. When that fails he resorts to a method to destroy anyone that will not give him primary or secondary support. He will talk to you even if you know that he has published massive amounts of vile racist remarks. I outed him a few years ago. Someone else has documented his vile remarks. It can be found at the same forum where I first published Reading Randomness. His fake forum names are known as sock puppets in internet speak.

Look for his real motives at the thread "BET SELECTION CC - SHADY DEALING" in the Baccarat section.

This is my first comment in that thrread: "Alrelax, Glen, likes long winded posts. He likes to comment on his experiences when two other people are talking to each other. He likes always adding his experience to everything. It's like the entire website is his personal blogosphere. Making him a global mediator was the last thing that the forum really needed. The whole site is wrecked. Just look at how the top threads all have his name on them. It's a great lesson in how a forum can be killed. Control freaks are just people that are scared of being discovered. I watched BlueAngel take him on a week or so ago. How'd that go?"

I don't intend to bring this up any further here. I just noticed a person from here getting informed during the all out attack on me by the racist owner.  Much of what I am showing now in Reading Randomness was first published there as hints there and here and just scattered around. So I'm done talking about this here. There is no need to clutter this up, unless a deep sleeping version of Glen is already embedded here and wants to out himself. He can't stop himself. He craves attention, even if it is against him. That's how forums get destroyed. Snowman, sometimes known as Caleb, The General, etc... destroyed Gambler's Glen. Glen Laurence is finishing off bet selection. He is active everywhere people talk gambling or talk about him. He comes to gambling forums years before he destroys them. He has many names at each forum that he picks on.

So back to Reading Randomness. He can't stand it that anyone is following this. I'm the Mark that is under attack over there. Don't make the mistake in trying to make sense to him. He is not interested in anything but getting primary or secondary narcissistic support. If you feed him then he will hate you as he hates himself even more. He is scared to death that he will be discovered as a fake human being that has no clue how to relate to others.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=osXapUFrcv8

Quote from: jono1167 on Sep 16, 02:11 AM 2019
Great information Gizmo. I'm continuing with my testing but playing more conservatively. I'm trying to flat-bet as much as possible, occasionally introducing a progression as you described above.

I should be finished this next series of tests later tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. I'll post results when complete.

Cheers

If you play online or at a casino with this, just practice the same way all the time and then play at the casino just like you practiced it. Yes, the emotions will run wild. It's fear. This method will rule out the adrenaline rush of a huge win streak. The same goes for a huge downturn. You need to stay on point that you will get more winning sessions than lost ones. The three and 7 stop points are there so that you stay in control. Try to ignore all distractions, including boring players asking you questions. Get your money and go do something else. It takes days and weeks of real play to convince you that this works.

Start with the smallest bets possible. You want to see if you can take the casino's money just like the skill in winning with the practices. It will be much harder if you can't place the inside bets or recognize them instantly what sets they belong to. You have the six sets made up of the three outside bet groupings already. You must have the inside sets all memorized. Having six groupings is essential. Once you master this you will not want to play games with one grouping like Baccarat, Craps, or Blackjack. The wait for good trends in those games are torturing.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 16, 08:25 AM 2019
If you play online or at a casino with this, just practice the same way all the time and then play at the casino just like you practiced it. Yes, the emotions will run wild. It's fear. This method will rule out the adrenaline rush of a huge win streak. The same goes for a huge downturn. You need to stay on point that you will get more winning sessions than lost ones. The three and 7 stop points are there so that you stay in control. Try to ignore all distractions, including boring players asking you questions. Get your money and go do something else. It takes days and weeks of real play to convince you that this works.

Start with the smallest bets possible. You want to see if you can take the casino's money just like the skill in winning with the practices. It will be much harder if you can't place the inside bets or recognize them instantly what sets they belong to. You have the six sets made up of the three outside bet groupings already. You must have the inside sets all memorized. Having six groupings is essential. Once you master this you will not want to play games with one grouping like Baccarat, Craps, or Blackjack. The wait for good trends in those games are torturing.

More good advice. I'm glad you shared it.  As I'm working my way through my practice sessions and achieving results which I would not have thought possible, I'm thinking that this couldn't possibly work at a casino. Reality will eventually come crashing in! You just said, "it will take days and weeks of real play to convince you that this works".

I guess this is where I am at the moment. So far the method is doing exactly what you said it would do, if not better. I'm a long way off achieving the kind of results you have been achieving at the casino. It's reassuring to hear you say it will take time and to start with the smallest bets possible.

Cheers Gizmo

Quote from: jono1167 on Sep 16, 07:06 PM 2019
More good advice. I'm glad you shared it.  As I'm working my way through my practice sessions and achieving results which I would not have thought possible, I'm thinking that this couldn't possibly work at a casino. Reality will eventually come crashing in! You just said, "it will take days and weeks of real play to convince you that this works".

I guess this is where I am at the moment. So far the method is doing exactly what you said it would do, if not better. I'm a long way off achieving the kind of results you have been achieving at the casino. It's reassuring to hear you say it will take time and to start with the smallest bets possible.

Cheers Gizmo

You are doing better than me. I can only guess why. I just know that when you put up money it is not the same. It's nerve wracking unless you play the big picture that you know you will lose a few session for all your won sessions. Don't ever play tired. It will cause you to get lazy. You might lose more than the right amount that your practice win rates showed the first few times out in real live play.

Another thing. I always practice before I go to a casino. I might not on the morning of a long drive but I practice the night before. I want fresh memories of looking at charts and making choices. It's a mental muscle memory technique. I only focus on the skill and what the charts say. I do exactly the same things as practice.  I'm faster than most dealers when it comes to stacking chips on 18 to 19 numbers inside. that comes from years of playing. It just means that I am not rushed in making choices. Not being rushed is a needed skill.

Another thing. Don't take your eyes off the dealer raking the losing bets. They often rake a winning bet off the table. Don't start filling out your index card until you know that your winning bet or bets have not been raked away. Yell and stop them as soon as they try to take a winning bet away. They will stop and look at it or they will ask the pit boss to OK it or look at the video tape to confirm it. This is normal. You are not a bone head for protecting your interests.

 :yawn:

Just so you know what is going on with the Reading Randomness thread. The entire concept & strategy is over there at the other forum. I know that at least 60 different people have looked at part of it so far. It's not easy. It is easier than learning counting cards and looks to be more profitable than counting cards. It's most advantageous in Roulette but can still be used with Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack where you are expected to flat bet to prove that you are not counting cards.

It's done. I took people through enough basics that they can take it from there and improve on it. The skill involved is in character recognition. That skill can be expanded. As the player gets better they get better at seeing how randomness deliverers opportunities. This method is designed to make a person a millionaire. It's free. It's complete.  I don't know if people will learn it and discuss it much. But I do know that people want to learn how to beat the casinos.

Unless activity starts up here I will be watching over there where I first posted it. Thanks for any interest shown so far.

On the bet selection website they say you are a conman called Mark who has stolen lots of money  :ooh:

Quote from: Let Me Win on Sep 18, 07:09 AM 2019
On the bet selection website they say you are a conman called Mark who has stolen lots of money  :ooh:

That's fair. It's one man, not they. I was given $5,000 by a person that was interested in what I was doing with the understanding that I would fly to Macau and be given $50,000 to do some high roller gambling. The person giving the money and I both had self control issues that we were both interested in solving. It took years too solve it too. I did solve it and then posted Reading Randomness in the wide open for free. My name is Mark and it has been well known across many gambling forums as gizmotron and Mark. I charged under $1000 for all the students in the first school. In that first school was my first software charting system. I use to go after the huge win streaks and was prone to digging deep holes waiting for it back then.

I ran a second school for $800 as a private accessed forum. That is where I developed my AI software for double dozens. That software is now free as well. But I found the self control I needed in stop points and minimum win goals after that school was done. I developed new training and practice software to teach it with. That software and training is now free also. So I managed to find a way to get paid a small amount for my computer programming time. Last year I took on one student at $1,000 and spent 120 hours, one on one, training him with the new software. He was the proof to me that I could teach people to break all known knowledge of mathematical house advantage beliefs. I've discovered something earth shattering regarding gambling and I shared it with the world for free. If all that makes me a conman then I'm a conman. The man that was trashing my reputation is in fact a mean and dangerous person that likes to get personal information on others and "DOX" them in public. Last night he was discovered by another at the other website where we found out that this man has 16 convictions for crimes. We have his real name now. We have his picture now. We have his relatives, his bankruptcies, his divorces. We have his failed businesses and we have 33 liens against him. We have the power to DOX him. He was told to take down all the accusations or he would get published in the wide open. That threat worked because of a few hours ago all the stuff against me is gone from his website.

My con is to tell a real working method. What do you have to lose? How far are you getting with progressions and magic beans? The only thing I'm doing to people is using the suspension of disbelief against them as nobody would actually tell a real working Holy Grail.  Believe what you want. I could care less. How many people around get given $5000 with a promise to get $50,000 more. Any of you get that offer any time in the past few years? I have all the transaction emails and can prove everything. Does charging for services and being given an opportunity make me a con man? If so then I feel sorry for you because I use to get millions for construction loans from banks and covered all the loans. I was a building contractor. In your world I was a crook. But you don't actually get my houses unless you pay up. The world is not a free ride, ... until now.

Flat betting with the reading randomness skills is the best way to go. You need a smaller sized bankroll and it will dig holes slower and with not as big of a bight when it does lose a bet. I know the videos use double the bet at times. Getting three net wins is a grinding out the won sessions technique. It is the only thing that is proving the most effective against the single bet house advantage. Timing is everything because virtual bet selections reveal current conditions at no expense. So It's not a flat bet all the time method.

Hi gizmotron,
I tried to test your software, it seems to need a password.
What are the conditions to get the password ?

Quote from: Herby on Sep 19, 10:37 AM 2019
Hi gizmotron,
I tried to test your software, it seems to need a password.
What are the conditions to get the password ?

It's there at that forum in a bunch of operational pictures. The thread is located at:
Reading Randomness Practice Software 1.4g with graph -- in the Roulette section, not the software section.

You need to be logged in there in order to see the log in for the software. It's shows the process in a picture.

Thanks, it works.  :thumbsup:

This is just great. In my opinion Jono1167 has mastered this. He knows what he is doing with it. I just wanted to congratulate him here.

Today is the day. I'm going to rip the lid off of known logic. Today you will see with ease how this works.

Let's go back to when my own eyes were first opened wider. I knew I was already on to winning monster sized win streaks. I also knew that I had self control problems. I didn't mind taking a hit, like a professional boxer does in order to deliver a hit. So I would dig deep holes in every session that I played in. I never had a large enough bankroll to stand in the ring against the casino with my limited bankrolls. The casino has an endless supply bankroll. So it all added up to me having what I call self control issues. I'm going to let you see the video that changed everything for me. Adam Khoo here doesn't even see it. He talks right over the example that changes everything and doesn't even know it. He shows a 10% guessing advantage and does not see this as enough to beat a casino. But I do. I will make a video today that will open everyone's eyes.

So try to keep in mind that for the past 13+ years I have always said that you can use any consistent bet selection to do this or to use this. Here is Adam Khoo's video:

link:s://youtu.be/bRCtBRsLPmk

I have always said that you can use any consistent bet selection to use this method. So let's use Wesley Snipes' suggestion in the "Passenger 57" movie, where he says "always bet on black."

That is all that is needed to explain what I did with Adam Khoo's video idea. Did you know that Gonzalo García-Pelayo and his family marched across Europe and Las Vegas in the early 90's with just a 6% advantage against a house payout disadvantage of 2.7% and made millions, until the casinos caught on that is? Do you know that card counters wait to be in a phase of opportunity to increase their bet values? That is how they take advantage of the casino.

I will now show you a way to capitalize on coincidental changes. You can lose all or more of the bets that are expected to be lost due to common-sense everyday probability formula and still come out way ahead monetarily. If you treat a gambling session as a single event, and do what I suggest, become good at it, then you should be able to get a better over-all take from your gambling sessions than the known expectations of just about everyone on planet earth.

So here is the eye opening video:

link:s://youtu.be/f-BbdPFzn0o

QuoteQuote: "You are destined to lose due to the house edge, variance and overall ignorance."

Funny this, but I agree, almost. The notion of a house edge is totally dead. The house only has an edge if you surrender yourself to it. Most gamblers believe that the house's advantage is the real reason that they lose. The casino teaches it. Gambling addiction therapists teach it. It's repeated all over the gambling forums. Math oriented gambling research is all based on it. It is one of the best lies ever believed by mankind. People want there to be something to blame for them losing so they grasp onto this lie. Most people will not give it up no matter what. They are married to it.

If it were true then the corporate earnings reports for table games in corporate owned casinos would reflect this. But they don't The worst table game advantage is 5.26%. But the casinos earnings, after giving away comp points is 17% on average. You can't lie in a yearly earnings report without doing jail time. Ignorance and variance are the true culprits in this game of bait and switch. That space between the ears of a gambler is the real cause for people losing. The casino could play a no-zero game in Roulette, all fair, with no cheating, and I doubt that the casinos would lower their average earnings report percentages.

People need to blame the casino's minor advantage so that they won't blame themselves. It's like getting them to think and smell Philly-Steak while eating a sh*t sandwich. Addicted gamblers are hooked on the chemicals produced in their own bodies to the point that they don't mind losing. It's all about not minding losing. It even happens here in all the gambling forums. People search and test mechanical systems like crash test dummies. They don't mind losing. The key to all this is to get people to not mind losing. It's fun. It's entertainment. These things in life cost money. That is to be expected. The mind of a gambler is a war zone. People do battle even if they don't know it. It's fun to watch each new and crazy system that comes along and how excited people get about it.

Turbo is the master at putting a carrot on a string. People want to believe. That is a battle of the mind too. It could be that he is one of the greatest comedians the world has ever seen or that he is captured by his own amazement as well. But you have to love him for going for it in all these years. All his stuff has a tinge of believable color to it. He's is the master.

With so much garbage out there it is no wonder that I came to believe that I could tell the story of a real working method and it would not have much of an effect on the minds of most people that need an excuse to lose in order to keep them going. It's one thing to lose because you are supposed to. It's quite another to accept that you are actually supposed to win. That's a very tough nut to crack. I'm enjoying watching people crack that nut. I'm also enjoying watching people shy away from it. "We have met the enemy and they are us." -- “Pogo,” by Walt Kelly

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 18, 07:27 AM 2019If it were true then the corporate earnings reports for table games in corporate owned casinos would reflect this. But they don't The worst table game advantage is 5.26%. But the casinos earnings, after giving away comp points is 17% on average. You can't lie in a yearly earnings report without doing jail time.

Dear Gizmo, I may or may not agree to what you are saying otherwise, but the above is the summation of ignorance. Earnings report is no reflection of house edge as both are different things.  See below the explanation so that you can understand. 

If you say casino has some costs for managing their casino, this Is for dealer salary, casino lease, utilitites, taxes etc - for argument sake let’s say 1mn every month. Now if there is less money wagered in a month - let’s say 10Mn and the house edge for argument sake is 5%.  So the casino has earned 500,000 that month.  Net they make a loss.  50%. 

However if there is more money wagered , let’s say 30Mn- with house edge of 5% they make 1.5Mn and after deducting costs they make 1Mn profit.  See the difference between earnings and house edge?

Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Oct 18, 12:37 PM 2019
Dear Gizmo, I may or may not agree to what you are saying otherwise, but the above is the summation of ignorance. Earnings report is no reflection of house edge as both are different things.  See below the explanation so that you can understand. 

If you say casino has some costs for managing their casino, this Is for dealer salary, casino lease, utilitites, taxes etc - for argument sake let’s say 1mn every month. Now if there is less money wagered in a month - let’s say 10Mn and the house edge for argument sake is 5%.  So the casino has earned 500,000 that month.  Net they make a loss.  50%. 

However if there is more money wagered , let’s say 30Mn- with house edge of 5% they make 1.5Mn and after deducting costs they make 1Mn profit.  See the difference between earnings and house edge?

That's a nice and pretty story but it's not factual. Earnings from the Table Games only. It's the base value before overhead is taken out.This figure must be shown before the right offs. Comp points attributed to bets placed at these tables are not overhead costs. These reports must show the base value in order to show if the practice is worth keeping. The IRS will not allow the casino to mask its earnings in overhead costs.

Can you pls point to one report where it is shown? I don’t want to tell that you are fooling around, but it is in your hands to show one such earnings report. 

Governments collect gaming taxes at source based on revenue, mostly players losses.

The highest gaming tax at source is collected from gaming machines followed by lotteries.

Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Oct 18, 09:16 PM 2019
Can you pls point to one report where it is shown? I don’t want to tell that you are fooling around, but it is in your hands to show one such earnings report.

It took me less than 5 minutes: Load Q219 Earnings Release

Here: link:s://investor.sands.com/financial-reports/latest-financial-reports/default.aspx

Look at the second quarter of this year. Search for the word "table" 179 million in activity, 20.2% win percentage

The house's advantage is complete bullshit.

Ok gizmo. I will leave that there.

QuoteWhat casino wins has nothing to do with the house edge.

That's what I'm saying. People surrender to the lie that "the house always wins." The truth is that you are supposed to win. You are supposed to go into a casino and take their money. All you need is self control and situational awareness. You must become a "Hit Man." Your job is to kill. When you walk in the door the casino, that casino is your prey. You don't have to feel guilty about it either. The casino is not on the endangered species list.

I wrote Reading Randomness here at this web forum to teach self control over greed and to make opportunity awareness a skill for everyone that is willing to freely apply themselves. It's also a trap to catch people that can't free themselves from being captives of the notion that they are supposed to lose. The truth is that they are supposed to win. This method ferrets out people that are leaning so heavy on the belief that they are supposed to lose that they go bonkers in the mind when being faced with it. So they blow up and call us stupid. That's OK with me. Yes, I'm stupid. Now I'm going to go murder a few casinos. I prefer the slow death style. I could write an AI algorithm that finishes the gambling industry off in a merciful way. One quick proof of concept. Just publish the source code and I'm an instant "genius." A genius is someone that discovers something that has always been the truth. It's not really that much of an achievement. Yes, I worked on all this alone for more that 13 years. I took a beating from the mathFags all along the way. They are so fagged out for losing that it's actually funny to read how flat the world still is.

Magical beliefs like magnets in the wheel are funny. You don't need magnets in the wheels when people have magnets for brains. People point north like a compass the second they touch the handle on the door of the casino. They are already drooling like Pavlov's Dog. Casinos are places to go and watch others get killed. It's like seeing the Christians marched into the Roman Colosseum to meet the lions. I love it more than our modern day American Style Football. It's an actual idiots parade with a very happy marching band. They are all there expecting to get killed and so they do. Everyone loves a good and bloody car crash. They can't take their eyes off of it. I'd like to thank most of you for all the cheap entertainment for all these years. Make it bloody. Hahaha!

The work over there is done. I'm going silent on it. If anyone has more questions here then I will answer them. I'm done defending it though. I know it works. I have other people using it for them and it works for them. I have accomplished what I set out to do. Thanks to all that have it working for them. Enjoy it.

Gizmotron, I'm using your newchart.exe for online casinos... But there are some errors in it for the spec and non spec chart. The 5 7 and 8 are incorrect.

Could you publish a updated version?

Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 06, 01:26 PM 2019
Gizmotron, I'm using your newchart.exe for online casinos... But there are some errors in it for the spec and non spec chart. The 5 7 and 8 are incorrect.

Could you publish a updated version?

I check it out and see if I can fix it. I gave up on online because of the speed issues.

Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 06, 01:26 PM 2019
Gizmotron, I'm using your newchart.exe for online casinos... But there are some errors in it for the spec and non spec chart. The 5 7 and 8 are incorrect.

Could you publish a updated version?

Here is what I get. I added #8 to the specials for European wheels with one zero.

put "1,2,3,9,10,13,14,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,35,36,37," into zro
  put "4,5,6,7,8,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into sxs
  put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,17,18,23,24,27,28,31,32,37," into prm
  put "8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,25,26,29,30,33,34,35,36," into nPrm
  put "5,8,10,11,12,13,15,20,21,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,37," into spcl  --- #5 belongs to the specials
  put "1,2,3,4,6,7,9,14,16,17,18,19,24,26,27,28,29,34,36," into nSpcl --- # 7 belongs to the not specials

# 7 and #8 belong to the not specials in the double zero wheel Is it still messed up?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 06, 07:54 PM 2019
Here is what I get. I added #8 to the specials for European wheels with one zero.

put "1,2,3,9,10,13,14,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,35,36,37," into zro
  put "4,5,6,7,8,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into sxs
  put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,17,18,23,24,27,28,31,32,37," into prm
  put "8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,25,26,29,30,33,34,35,36," into nPrm
  put "5,8,10,11,12,13,15,20,21,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,37," into spcl  --- #5 belongs to the specials
  put "1,2,3,4,6,7,9,14,16,17,18,19,24,26,27,28,29,34,36," into nSpcl --- # 7 belongs to the not specials

# 7 and #8 belong to the not specials in the double zero wheel Is it still messed up?

GIZMOTRON2
So what is theory behind,,,  is your system is to find pattern and then play?   

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 06, 07:54 PM 2019
Here is what I get. I added #8 to the specials for European wheels with one zero.

put "1,2,3,9,10,13,14,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,35,36,37," into zro
  put "4,5,6,7,8,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into sxs
  put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,17,18,23,24,27,28,31,32,37," into prm
  put "8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,25,26,29,30,33,34,35,36," into nPrm
  put "5,8,10,11,12,13,15,20,21,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,37," into spcl  --- #5 belongs to the specials
  put "1,2,3,4,6,7,9,14,16,17,18,19,24,26,27,28,29,34,36," into nSpcl --- # 7 belongs to the not specials

# 7 and #8 belong to the not specials in the double zero wheel Is it still messed up?

I'm playing single zero wheel.

Spec: 7,8,10,11,12,13,15,20,21,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,37
non spec: 1,2,3,4,5,6,9,14,16,17,18,19,24,26,27,28,29,34,36

Got this from even change pro 1.4 with graphs.

On the evenchanges.exe the non spec group has 20 number and the spec group 17 number.

Its newchart.exe btw

Also noticed the 7 is off at the prime group...

prime: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,17,18,23,24,27,28,31,32,37
non prime: 8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,25,26,29,30,33,34,35,36

But on newchart.exe it is not.

Raymanz, I put the #7 with the primes because the 00 , (38), was not used. I play double zero wheels in B&M casinos because the single zero wheels are not widely available on the west coast of America. I can't change the code in Even Chance Pro 1.4g. I used a new version of Open Source development software and it destroyed and erased all my software that I had developed over 14 years. It was a major dirty trick. I did not read the fine print. So I did a complete recovery of my computer and got everything back but the two programs relating to Even Chance. I don't want to rewrite all that software all over again.  So my attitude regarding this free information is that you don't have to use my sets of 18 or 19 numbers. They were things I already had memorized. You can use your own pet sets and groups. I just recommend that you have at least 6 groups. I managed a way to get all 6 groups on an index card. That's all that matters. There is nothing magical about these groups. They are just there to allow you to read the characteristics.

Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 07, 07:00 AM 2019
I'm playing single zero wheel.

Spec: 7,8,10,11,12,13,15,20,21,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,37
non spec: 1,2,3,4,5,6,9,14,16,17,18,19,24,26,27,28,29,34,36

Got this from even change pro 1.4 with graphs.

On the evenchanges.exe the non spec group has 20 number and the spec group 17 number.

I get it now. You discovered the same thing that others found a few months back. Yes, the chart is wrong but the bets are right in that software. I did not do this on purpose just to see who is really listening. I messed up. I was burnt out changing that software as it improved. This was discovered by the first student right about the same time that all my software for 14 years was all wiped out. I lost the source code and have not way to fix this bug.

The world can feel free to write a new version. I never wrote an AI version for this either. I don't use any software in a B&M casino. I just use my training and skill. I don't even use written charts in Craps. I just arrange my chips to show me the things that I want to see.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 07, 10:20 AM 2019
I get it now. You discovered the same thing that others found a few months back. Yes, the chart is wrong but the bets are right in that software. I did not do this on purpose just to see who is really listening. I messed up. I was burnt out changing that software as it improved. This was discovered by the first student right about the same time that all my software for 14 years was all wiped out. I lost the source code and have not way to fix this bug.

The world can feel free to write a new version. I never wrote an AI version for this either. I don't use any software in a B&M casino. I just use my training and skill. I don't even use written charts in Craps. I just arrange my chips to show me the things that I want to see.

HI Git
Give some info, what is this system about, how many numbers to bet etc

Quote from: Elite on Nov 08, 07:49 AM 2019
HI Git
Give some info, what is this system about, how many numbers to bet etc

Read this thread.
Read this over here:  gamblingforums com/threads/reading-randomness.14733
On that same forum. Find all posts of gizmotron. Lots of info about how he plays.

Practice, practice, practice.
Good luck.

Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 08, 08:04 AM 2019
Practice, practice, practice.
Good luck.

Thanks

It's actually quite funny over there. I wrote it all down once at a website that would let me get as mad as a hornet if I wanted to. And I did want to. Steve runs a great forum here. It was people from here that went after all this. Over there there are the normal and reasonable skeptics. But there are also the trolls too. In fact there is one guy that hates my guts. I was the first to out him as a malignant narcissist. He is one scared to be outed control freak. He purchased an existing gambling forum and ran it into the ground with his boring regurgitated opinions. So over there he gets to log on as many fake (sock puppet) different people that all talk to each other and like each other. It's completely demented.

So you get a few skeptics at first until I really get going. The thread gets 95% of it all done before the trolls take over. The work is all done. Just a few things are original here. This forum is the place where even disagreement has been done in a civil way. I congratulate Steve for keeping it a place to debate. It's like the wild west over there, out of control. There's a guy there now that thinks the Martingale progression is a new career. So he's all over the place with his new found love for gambling.

If you read between the lines when I scalp heads and look at real questions and answers you will find out the method. I'm pretty much done there. It's just the trolls that can't read that are taking over for now. It always happens this way. It will get real quite and then real debate will pick up later.

 gizmotron2,

Trying to look for an explanation of your strategy. Do you have a link that will lead me to the explanation?

I have attach number list as proposed by gat.Fill  0 and 1 line only , it will fill automatically other two lines .change extension to .jar .

Quote from: Azim on Nov 08, 08:55 PM 2019Reading Randomness is a single thread. It is backed up by a software instruction thread and software download threads. The Even Chance Pro 1.4 version is the best version to practice on.
gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading/randomness.14733/

Read my signature: Reading Randomness is a single thread. It is backed up by a software instruction thread and software download threads. The Even Chance Pro 1.4 version is the best version to practice on.
gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading/randomness.14733/

Quote from: Azim on Nov 08, 08:55 PM 2019
gizmotron2,

Trying to look for an explanation of your strategy. Do you have a link that will lead me to the explanation?

Reading Randomness is a single thread. It is backed up by a software instruction thread and software download threads. The Even Chance Pro 1.4 version is the best version to practice on.
gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading/randomness.14733/

Quote from: Elite on Nov 08, 09:42 PM 2019
I have attach number list as proposed by gat.Fill  0 and 1 line only , it will fill automatically other two lines .change extension to .jar .

Why do you want people to open a Java Executable?  What is this number list for? You do know that many computer protection systems block this file a s a threat don't you. Take a screen shot of it.

i made a simple number entering program, which  shows total spins and total double number also along with your  proposed numbers

Quote from: Elite on Nov 09, 10:08 AM 2019
i made a simple number entering program, which  shows total spins and total double number also along with your  proposed numbers

Very interesting. There is one single thing about Reading Randomness that is more important than anything else. The person reading the chart must see characteristics in a split second. This is done by visual dexterity. There is a skill in seeing like this that is an acquired skill. You should be able to see singles on the weak side instantly.

You can see doubles on the weak side. You can see nothing smaller than a triple on the strong side. You can see the absence of a strong side. If you are skilled you can look for all these things and more. You can see a perfect occurring pattern. Anything that continues can be exploited. There are even times when a swarm of the same characteristic is occurring continuously in other parts of the charts at other times but it is all strung together as one continuous characteristic. You can murder the casino when these global like effects happen.

It all comes down to seeing the characteristics very rapidly. I can't do that with your chart.

Sorry Giz,

But you've been sucked into the gambler's fallacy.
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

Quote from: The General on Nov 09, 08:41 PM 2019
Sorry Giz,

But you've been sucked into the gambler's fallacy.
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

You and I have disagreed for 14 years. What is this? What are you going to lean on when you find out that I have been right all along? Do yourself a favor. Stop harping about things that bother you and go see the movie "Midway."

my half cent.
Ok, we already understand random and
unpredictable randomness, and limit of random.
Now, say ,
What must HAPPEN in next 100spins, guaranteed!?..
( maybe should start a new thread?)

in next 100spins....The EC ,dz,dd,ds
streak of same ,(or chop of EC,dz)...
STREAK OF...
ONE...must happen.!
TWO...must happen.!
THREE ..must happen!
FOUR...must happen!
FIVE....must  happen???
SIX...??
SEVEN...??
EIGHT..??
NINE...??
TEN....??
ELEVEN and more...??

I read a research about this occurrences, somewhere in internet years ago... (unfortunately i cant find it, maybe someone could post a link...or members could do research )

and how we could take advantage to hilt, say, eg. a streak of three that MUST HAPPEN???

Still a solid thread going on over there. Lot's of good examples of player's success.

Somebody working on this just got added up:
So I added up all your sessions. I assume that you started from just studying and then just starting sessions.


W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP
X |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  09  --  37 ( $ 355 ) Specials - Nov 10, 2019 --- #  1
X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  20  --  29 ( $ 355 ) High ----- Nov 11, 2019 --- #  2
-| X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  111  -- 13 ( $ 305 ) Primes --- Nov 12, 2019 --- #  3
  |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  11  --  18 ( $-760 ) NPrimes -- Nov 13,2019  --- #  4
-|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  35  --  32 ( $ 340 ) Low ------ Nov 14, 2019 --- #  5
X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  11  --  34 ( $ 360 ) Red ------ Nov 15, 2019 --- #  6
-| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  37  --  31 ( $ 315 ) Low ------ Nov 16, 2019 --- #  7
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  19  --  12 ( $ 345 ) Red ------ Nov 17, 2019 --- #  8
  |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  32  --  14 ( $-650 ) Six's ---- Nov 18, 2019 --- #  9
X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  13  --  29 ( $ 330 ) NSpecials  Nov 18, 2019 --- # 10
  | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  54  --  20 ( $-705 ) Red ------ Nov 19, 2019 --- # 11
X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  11  --  20 ( $ 355 ) Even ----- Nov 20, 2019 --- # 12
X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  68  --  20 ( $ 290 ) Black ---- Nov 21, 2019 --- # 13
X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  10  --  10 ( $ 270 ) Even ----- Nov 22, 2019 --- # 14
X |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  28  --  37 ( $ 310 ) Zeros ---- Nov 22, 2019 --- # 15
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $ 270 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 16
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $ 270 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 17
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $ 270 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 18
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $ 270 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 19
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $-630 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 20
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $-630 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 21
X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  55  --  29 ( $ 305 ) NSpecials  Nov 24, 2019 --- # 22
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  12  --  19 ( $ 340 ) Six's ---- Nov 24, 2019 --- # 23
X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  20  --  14 ( $ 270 ) Red ------ Nov 24, 2019 --- # 24
X |    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  22  --  32 ( $ 350 ) Specials - Nov 24, 2019 --- # 25
X | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  20  --  31 ( $ 330 ) High ----- Nov 24, 2019 --- # 26
X | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  16  --  15 ( $ 340 ) Low ------ Nov 24, 2019 --- # 27
X | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  37  --  02 ( $ 335 ) Primes --- Nov 24, 2019 --- # 28
  | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  24  --  24 ( $ 370 ) Six's ---- Nov 24, 2019 --- # 29
X | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  56  --  04 ( $ 365 ) Six's ---- Nov 24, 2019 --- # 30
X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  15  --  35 ( $ 345 ) NPrimes -- Nov 24, 2019 --- # 31
  | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  18  --  29 ( $ 300 ) Six's ---- Nov 25, 2019 --- # 32
  | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  35  --  13 ( $-665 ) NSpecials  Nov 26, 2019 --- # 33
  | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  58  --  28 ( $-625 ) Odd ------ Nov 26, 2019 --- # 34
  |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  21  --  09 ( $ 360 ) Even ----- Nov 27, 2019 --- # 35
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  41  --  21 ( $ 395 ) Specials - Nov 27, 2019 --- # 36
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  70  --  12 ( $ 295 ) Specials - Nov 27, 2019 --- # 37
X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  11  --  35 ( $ 340 ) NPrimes -- Nov 28, 2019 --- # 38
  | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  45  --  22 ( $-745 ) Zeros ---- Nov 28, 2019 --- # 39

Total won $9,470 -- Total lost $-5,410 -- Balance after 39 sessions = $4,060


You are almost at 2 to 1 win ratio where 1 to 1 is considered impossible. So you look like now that you win 4 sessions at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 lost.

I changed a few of the session endings where you went way past 4 net wins. So I cut off all sessions at 4 net wins per session unless you cut them off at 3. You actually won a lot more if you add up all the sessions wins. I also cut off all sessions lost at 8 net lost unless you cut them off at 7. You can see where in each session I cut the sessions short because the line number is in the telemetry where the sessions were ended. So I'm not trying to pull a fast one. I just wanted to see what you would get if you stuck to  3 & 7.

So this is you starting out and you are already averaging 2 to 1. This is all flat betting unless you tried 2-1 or 1-2 a few times. I'm so impressed by your progress. You would now need to lose a lost session for every won session for a while to come back into mathematical expectation. If you stick to 3 & 7 and win 2.33 sessions for each lost session then you will break even from here. I think I can say that you aren't actually going to lose at that rate any time soon. Your skill will just improve from here. I'd like to see you do better than 4.66 to 1  which is actually 2 to 1 in a wins to losses ratio.

Nice going. You've done a lot of work on this.

We are still looking for the person that can't do this. I don't mean the person that won't do it either.

Now it's time to get ready to head off to the Bar & Grill that is serving a Thanksgiving Day Buffet.

Happy Thanksgiving to all those that celebrate it in some way or another.

Quote from: jono1167 on Sep 16, 07:06 PM 2019
More good advice. I'm glad you shared it.  As I'm working my way through my practice sessions and achieving results which I would not have thought possible, I'm thinking that this couldn't possibly work at a casino. Reality will eventually come crashing in! You just said, "it will take days and weeks of real play to convince you that this works".

I guess this is where I am at the moment. So far the method is doing exactly what you said it would do, if not better. I'm a long way off achieving the kind of results you have been achieving at the casino. It's reassuring to hear you say it will take time and to start with the smallest bets possible.

Cheers Gizmo

I have faced down the criticisms of everyone but the four that have openly tried this out. One person rushed it and failed without personal advice.  I see that you are more than 750 miles from a B&M casino where you can use this to take their money. So you are nearly in the same boat as me. I must pay for rental cars, rooms, gas, and meals in order to make it all worth it. You would add flights to that overhead. So you need a bankroll of three times a lost session and travel expenses before you ever try this out. When I travel I play two sessions per day while I'm there and one session on the arrival day.

So if round trip flights are $400, rooms for three nights $300, rental car, if needed, could be as much as $250, gas might be $50, and meals could be $100 then all that adds up to $1,000. You would break that down to 5 total sessions, 1 on arrival day, 2 for each next days and no sessions on departure day. You would need to win $200 per session just to break even. At $5 chips your bets would be $90 per big bet. That would get you $270 per session.

To make it worth the trip you might want to double the big bets. At $5 per chip your single session bankroll is $630. So if you double that and times three you get a total bankroll of $1,890 times three. That comes to $6,670 when you add the overhead for travel. If you win all 5 sessions then you bring home your $5,670 bankroll, pay for your trip, and return with about $1,500 profit for three days work.

You could try to figure out a way to cut expenses so that you don't need this large of a bankroll. If you are extremely careful and patient then you can win every session.

I have my costs down to $400 per trip at 350 miles one way. So I can make $5 chips work. I get free rooms in the winter and discounted rooms in the summer months. So a trip might only cost me $250. I get discounted rental cars in the winter months also. I don't need to fly.

I suggest that you practice until you can win every session or that you at least never lose more than about three or four big bets in the aggregate if a session just won't win. You just get up and leave a difficult session before it takes the full seven losses.

I hope you get to actually use this and that you are safe from the fires.

I received a question on being on the right track and the attached file did not come through on the PM. So I took an attached image that was linked and copied it. So my answer is yes, this is the right track but it also goes hand in hand with checking if there is a condition of it working more than it not working.

Thanks gizmo. I will keep checking it.
The question is. Should I tap the monster trail to complete the 3 unit goal?

I feel like I am just getting sucked into lies but who knows. I don't trust downloading anything so I am just asking for simple instructions that can prove you can beat or even come close to beating a slight edge (american or european roulette). Surely, you should be able to do this with such impressive feats. My skepticism is based on the logic that every spin is independent. Also, you never know when a streak is going to start, trend, or end. Prove me wrong. Please, no attachments or links.

This is just to be more clear. You cannot predict better than random when a streak will start, trend, or end.

Quote from: swanson on Apr 11, 04:42 PM 2020
This is just to be more clear. You cannot predict better than random when a streak will start, trend, or end.

I can't predict when a win streak will start, how long it will last, and when it will end. But I know when my unfunded bet selections are in a losing streak, causing me no harm. I also know when my funded bet selections are in a win streak. This is done by observation of the conditions and has ZERO concern regarding any capability of predicting anything. Please consider my explanation. When people keep asking me this same question I think that perhaps I'm using the wrong language are that words have lost their meaning. It could be a form of blindness where the assumptions being made are the hidden secret truth. Unfortunately there is no way to predict future spins. Since that is the truth, the pursuit of that capability is ludicrous. Let me ask you a question. When will you get off of this search for prediction idea? I have decades of playing experience. You will never beat Roulette with a mathematically based system. You will never gain super powers that allow you to treat the casino as your very own personal ATM machine. All you have is a guess. After that all you have are the results. Try reading the results and playing against the swings of that. You do know that gambling bets go up and down in phases don't you? Try beating the phases of the game as it occurs.

Hi Gix, concerning your Bet Selection what do you think of Martin J. Silverthorn's Betting Selection with his Super Neural Strategy? Not his Betting Progressions, not his Stops, and not his Targets. Just his Betting Selection.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 11, 06:51 PM 2020Martin J. Silverthorn

There is no point for me to consider anyone else's  bet selection methods. They produce times when they work and times when they don't. They have to. All I'm interested in is seeing is the times that I like the most. For me I look at a trend and check to see if that trend is in a phase of working like it is predicting the future. In that case it is winning. So the trends are doing exactly what I want in order to win that session at that time. 30 minutes later they will probably stop working and therefore they will look like they are not predicting anything. That is how I search. So I don't need anyone else's bet selection methods. I have way more characteristics than just domination. I have 6 individual groups to search for with all my main characteristics. It's way more than enough. I just monitor these for the ones that are in a phase of working. I'm already trained in these sets of data. I don't need more data. I don't need any other bet selection categories or groupings. It almost never happens that nothing looks promising. There is almost always a thing that is in a state of continuing. It's just a matter of noticing it and the sizes that it comes in. 

But what the heck. You can go ahead and create or use any bet selection method that you want as long as it shows you the times when it is working and the times when it is not.

Thank you, Giz, I look for trends that end, that continue, and also are doing nothing, but are doing something because a first time Loss indicates that a winning PATTERN has begun to end. We can use Selection and the proper Timing to beat the casinos. We can seek matching PATTERNS and see formations of continuations of any kind. We can read RANDOMNESS and see TRENDS and the absence of TRENDS and find the "WORKING TREND!" Everything is RANDOM and streaks of favorable outcomes can overcome mathematical probabilities, but only in the short run because in the American Wheel with 37 numbers the exact number of 37 consecutive numbers is 2 to the 37th power. That number is exactly 137,438,953,472, that is over 137 trillion times 37 spins!  My question to you is if I'm only Betting on E/O and my Betting Selection is losing, for instance what comes up is R-B-R-B-R-B-R-B-R-B, do I stop at 4,5,6, or even 7 Losses, not using a Martingale, but a reasonal progression? Looking forward to your reply.

You don't need a progression. You just need to stop if you get to 7 losses. The point is to win enough sessions at 3 for each session lost at 7.  When I see a perfect pattern happening at another location and I'm even in a losing streak I try to get at least one win from it. My basic rule is to not try to force a change. That's a gambler's weakness. You will see a bunch of perfect patterns or trends and you will still lose that session. It's just a perfect pattern of first try losses. It's so rare but it happens. Don't let it rile you. It will happen and it's just a coincidence. You can't win them all. You can try. If you don't get shook up when it happens then you remain in control. You will never see a swarm of good looking trends that end many sessions as losses all in a row. The most I ever saw was three sessions in a row and on different days.

Thank you for your guidance, Giz, you are probably the only person in this forum I can talk to.

Giz, where can I buy your roulette software that shows graphs?

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 13, 04:10 PM 2020
Giz, where can I buy your roulette software that shows graphs?

It's free at the site where the main thread is located. It's in the software section. You want the 1.4 version. Look at the link in my signature here. It is a phonetically represented link. You will need to reconstruct it.

Sorry to bother you, Giz. Went to your Reading RANDOMNESS thread at Gambling Forums. There are 72 pages there. Am I at the right place?

Just found it, thank you.

You've done a great study, Giz.  Without going into the math, suffice it to say that RANDOMNESS beats ALL mathematical odds because of its randomness. Random numbers produce STREAKS and CLUSTERS that can be read and intelligently bet on. I know you know this and more; much more on Bet Selection.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 13, 06:59 PM 2020
You've done a great study, Giz.  Without going into the math, suffice it to say that RANDOMNESS beats ALL mathematical odds because of its randomness. Random numbers produce STREAKS and CLUSTERS that can be read and intelligently bet on. I know you know this and more; much more on Bet Selection.

It goes back 14 years where I first suggested it at Gambler's Glen. To this day a perfect occurring pattern is still considered a kind of heresy against gambling. It's very rare yet it happens. It just takes a person that can see it when it happens. I titled them "Elegant Patterns." Perhaps that alone was enough to have almost the entire world barf up a kidney. I think it is funny to say the least. It's like telling people that there are bags of gold sitting around and all you have to do is notice one and grab it.  The fact that they don't or won't gives the cynical side of my personality extreme pleasure.  It's like all the liberals that won't take Hydroxychloroquine if they get Covid-19. They would rather die than have a chance that that might help them. I mean ... what's so bad about that? They get to die rather than give Trump any break. It's too funny. So a therapeutic needs to pass political correctness in order to get wide spread use. But then that activity kills off the true enemies of freedom. They bunch together in order to wreck entire states here in America. Now that activity is going to kill them. So why not ignore bags of gold too.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 13, 06:59 PM 2020
You've done a great study, Giz.  Without going into the math, suffice it to say that RANDOMNESS beats ALL mathematical odds because of its randomness. Random numbers produce STREAKS and CLUSTERS that can be read and intelligently bet on. I know you know this and more; much more on Bet Selection.

He with his "reading randomness" s.h.i.t  is spamming in all possible forums. His methodology don't work, never worked and never will work.
Have you seen his real gambling? I mean, not a recorded video but a  real gambling in live stream in some online casinos? No!!! Al this is just bla bla bla...brain f.u.c.k.i.n.g useless philosophy.

Quote from: charly on Apr 14, 09:22 AM 2020
He with his "reading randomness" s.h.i.t  is spamming in all possible forums. His methodology don't work, never worked and never will work.
Have you seen his real gambling? I mean, not a recorded video but a  real gambling in live stream in some online casinos? No!!! Al this is just bla bla bla...brain f.u.c.k.i.n.g useless philosophy.

If you want to know why I told how all this works openly it is because of charly and people like him. There is nothing more rewarding in life than acquiring a difficult skill and using it to gain a more fulfilled life from that effort. Charly thinks that he or she is saving people from a terrible injustice in this world. But I have explained it all for free. You have nothing to lose because I created software so that you can prove it to yourself at no cost or danger. The real threat here is that Charly could be completely wrong and is trying to move people away from something that actually works. His advice is free also. So try it or forget it. I have gone all the way to showing it to people. Charly is just talking out of his south end. If I'm right then he is a fool. I'm counting on him being seen as a fool. I did this for him and for those mathNazies that are so sure that math is the final word. My disclosures are far beyond the field of gambling. It goes right to the heart of statistics and experimental research methods. I wanted credit for changing what is known. When enough people use their basic human nature and exploit this technique then the academic world will respond to the demand. Charly is an irrelevant pest and nothing more

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 14, 10:27 AM 2020
If you want to know why I told how all this works openly it is because of charly and people like him. There is nothing more rewarding in life than acquiring a difficult skill and using it to gain a more fulfilled life from that effort. Charly thinks that he or she is saving people from a terrible injustice in this world. But I have explained it all for free. You have nothing to lose because I created software so that you can prove it to yourself at no cost or danger. The real threat here is that Charly could be completely wrong and is trying to move people away from something that actually works. His advice is free also. So try it or forget it. I have gone all the way to showing it to people. Charly is just talking out of his south end. If I'm right then he is a fool. I'm counting on him being seen as a fool. I did this for him and for those mathNazies that are so sure that math is the final word. My disclosures are far beyond the field of gambling. It goes right to the heart of statistics and experimental research methods. I wanted credit for changing what is known. When enough people use their basic human nature and exploit this technique then the academic world will respond to the demand. Charly is an irrelevant pest and nothing more

Just once show your online gambling on live stream on some online casino. Can you do that?  Or with live stream your stupid method won't work?

Quote from: charly on Apr 14, 10:51 AM 2020
Just once show your online gambling on live stream on some online casino. Can you do that?  Or with live stream your stupid method won't work?

Just stop all the people that I have given this to. Two can play command post commander. How do you like it?

I have chosen the method of proving it. My decision. My way.

Charly? Have you seen this? : "My edge is a large enough number of people doing this and producing win to loss results that are demonstrably beyond the possibility of inaccuracy."

Charly, it has taken me a long time to become a nice guy. Randomness is quite a topic. In a lot of religions it doesn't exist or should. But randomness has its own set of rules. Rules that make the behavior of a random process understandable and PREDICTABLE. Even though a SINGLE random event might be completely unpredictable, a COLLECTION of independent random events is extremely predictable, and the LARGER the number of events, the more predictable they become! (Consider atoms in a box of gas or the study of thermal Dynamics). If not, then study a Chart of the Columns, the Dozens, Even Odd, High Low, Red Black, etc. Watch how the Trends and Patterns flow after a number of Spins. Forget that the Odds of the next Spins is 1/38 on an American wheel. Look at the possibilities shown, can you make an intelligent Bet or is it just luck?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 18, 10:25 PM 2019Look at the second quarter of this year. Search for the word "table" 179 million in activity, 20.2% win percentageThe house's advantage is complete bullshit.

The win percentage is based on the ratio of the hold (casino's profits) and the drop (amount of money changed at the table). This is higher than the house edge because people continue playing with their initial buy in, exposing themselves to the edge repeatedly. The house edge isn't bs. You are expected to lose about 2.7% or 5% of every dollar you gamble.

Quote from: swanson on Apr 14, 09:13 PM 2020
The win percentage is based on the ratio of the hold (casino's profits) and the drop (amount of money changed at the table). This is higher than the house edge because people continue playing with their initial buy in, exposing themselves to the edge repeatedly. The house edge isn't bs. You are expected to lose about 2.7% or 5% of every dollar you gamble.

So says you. People lose because of human nature and greed. Fear makes a player bet less and quit too soon when they are doing good. It makes them stay too long and at the higher bet level on a losing streak. Nobody makes a player do this. Math does not make them act this way. But for some crazy reason math makes you act this way. You have no proof. 20% is proof. It's not what you say it is. If a Player has $200 as a bankroll and stays for 40 bets at $5 per bet then they have not re used the winnings.  My experience watching players is that they stay for about an hour or less and only have about $200 as a bankroll. What happens is they try to get back to even while they spiral down. You call that reusing. I call it losing.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 14, 09:54 PM 2020People lose because of human nature and greed.

People lose because the odds are stacked against them.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 14, 09:54 PM 2020Fear makes a player bet less and quit too soon when they are doing good. It makes them stay too long and at the higher bet level on a losing streak.

The person who betted less and quit soon could have saved money by losing less and avoiding a losing streak. This is slightly more likely to happen than winning or breaking even. Fear and beliefs do nothing to the house edge. You cannot win or lose long-term based on these things.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 14, 09:54 PM 2020It makes them stay too long and at the higher bet level on a losing streak

The player's "streak" is almost just as likely to change (from losing to winning) as it is to stay the same (losing). An increased bet size only means bigger or smaller wins/losses.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 14, 09:54 PM 2020But for some crazy reason math makes you act this way.

I am acting this way mostly because of experience, common sense, and logic. Math plays a small, but integral part.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 14, 09:54 PM 2020If a Player has $200 as a bankroll and stays for 40 bets at $5 per bet then they have not re used the winnings.

I have a new answer to why the 20% winning: players buy in and repeatedly stake their bankroll until they leave, often broke. I.e. they expose each buy-in to the house advantage multiple times before they leave the table.

I guess I was partly wrong when I stated that it is because people continue playing with their initial buy in? I was thinking about the fact that the player will continue exposing their bankroll to the house edge. Almost never does a player only bet the amount of their buy in only once. If I am understanding this correctly, if a player lost their bankroll, the casino's expected win %, as stated in the financial reports, would reflect 100%.

Also, this is an exceptional case, a player not reusing his or her winnings.

Ha ha ha LOL

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 15, 12:22 AM 2020Ha ha ha LOL

How is arguing against people wasting their money to the casino or casinos funny?

Quote from: swanson on Apr 15, 09:57 AM 2020
How is arguing against people wasting their money to the casino or casinos funny?

It's funny to watch a self proclaimed spandex and cape clad savior like you. Losing money at gambling is the only real way to teach experience at gambling. And you are not really standing in the breach. More and more people are learning a skill that rewards them and not you. You are the needed skepticism that protects the opportunity. Long may your flag fly. Oh, one last comment for you. Nobody pays a single dime to the casinos if they follow my teaching and practice software that is freely available to learn from. Nobody is wasting any money. You might want to think about that. I turned in my cape decades ago and have never been happier.

You are scamming people of their brains, time, money, and more. This is a FACT

Quote from: swanson on Apr 15, 12:27 PM 2020
You are scamming people of their brains, time, money, and more. This is a FACT

I'm glad you are so clueless when it comes to facts. Your life will reflect that as a retribution built in by design. In other words you are destined for misfortune because it is built into you like "baked in the cake." It's nice to see one of my critics so inclined to be miserable. Are you in fact a validated victim yet? What's your calamity in life? Were you sexually abused by your father perhaps, then handed off to your grandparents to live forever in your safe seclusion of their basement? I'm so glad for you. You are just learning the basics of being a control freak. You have decades of making others miserable ahead of you.  So while you scam yourself why don't you polish your spandex.

Hi Gix, yes, a COLLECTION (I0-20 Spins) of individual Random 1/38 Bets will show many characteristics that can be intelligently Bet on. Not to puff you up, but your Method (I use Method instead of System) is the best one I've ever come upon that can and will beat mathematical odds. Gamblers everywhere, we can forget what we've been taught: that the previous events do not influence the dice because the die had no brains, the unbiased Wheel and Ball because.they have no brains, and in Roulette every Spin is 1/38 on an American wheel. Just study the previous Spins, learn how to study, and beat the odds. Or will you call it luck.             I have a question for you, Giz. I've studied and Tracked on the Wheel your Primes/NotPrimrs and your Specials/NotSpecials. Both have 18 #'s and I know you put some study into choosing these numbers. I do see a little relationship in those chosen. My question is: what do you think of 0+/00+, 0+ = 0-1-3-5-7-9-12-14-16-18-19-21-23-25-27-30-32-34 and 00+ = 2-4-6-8-10-11-13-15-17-20-22-24-26-28-29-31-33-35? The numbers in both 0+ and 00+ are not more than one number apart. Both have 19 numbers.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 16, 04:58 PM 2020
Hi Gix, yes, a COLLECTION (I0-20 Spins) of individual Random 1/38 Bets will show many characteristics that can be intelligently Bet on. Not to puff you up, but your Method (I use Method instead of System) is the best one I've ever come upon that can and will beat mathematical odds. Gamblers everywhere, we can forget what we've been taught: that the previous events do not influence the dice because the die had no brains, the unbiased Wheel and Ball because.they have no brains, and in Roulette every Spin is 1/38 on an American wheel. Just study the previous Spins, learn how to study, and beat the odds. Or will you call it luck.             I have a question for you, Giz. I've studied and Tracked on the Wheel your Primes/NotPrimrs and your Specials/NotSpecials. Both have 18 #'s and I know you put some study into choosing these numbers. I do see a little relationship in those chosen. My question is: what do you think of 0+/00+, 0+ = 0-1-3-5-7-9-12-14-16-18-19-21-23-25-27-30-32-34 and 00+ = 2-4-6-8-10-11-13-15-17-20-22-24-26-28-29-31-33-35? The numbers in both 0+ and 00+ are not more than one number apart. Both have 19 numbers.

I got my groups from a very old magical belief period I went thru for a short time back in the 90's. Because of those beliefs I memorized a few custom made up sets for each side of the grouping. They were based on sectors of the wheel. Like the zeros that are next to the zeros or double zeros on the American wheel.  The Sixes are ninety degrees offset from the zeros. You can make up your own groupings and sets. I just use these because I already had them memorized. The point is to have more than just the three offered by the table layout.  The Specials are 18 numbers that went on a 4 day Global Effect domination. So once I had them memorized I just kept them.  None of them hold any form of importance. They are just different from other groups.  There is a guy around here somewhere that plays two tables at the same time and just uses the three table layout groupings from each table to get his 6 groups to track. I thought that was a great idea.

Thank you, Giz, for telling me how you got your "6's". I really like my "0+" and "00+" Settings. I hope you don't get upset for me trying to tweak your Method. I think I told you before that I tweaked up Silverthorne's Super Neural System, changing the Stops and the Targets and the Bet Selection. I also changed his Progression Bets (by the way, I call flat bets, for instance: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1, etc., a Progression, a Flat Bet Progression) and winning around 80%, a 4 to 1 ratio.   Another question for you, Giz, I hope you don"t mind. On your Betting Levels you like a +3 over a -7. Win 3 for every Loss of 7, needing a 7/3 (2.33) average. What do you think of a 2 for 5 ratio? I realize that 2.5 is more than 2.33, but I'm thinking about that 2nd Win. With your Method that First Win is great and I believe getting that 2nd Win is much easier than getting the 2nd and 3rd Win. So the question is which is easier: getting the 2nd Win before a 5th Loss or getting the 3rd Win before a 7th Loss?

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 17, 03:20 PM 2020
Thank you, Giz, for telling me how you got your "6's". I really like my "0+" and "00+" Settings. I hope you don't get upset for me trying to tweak your Method. I think I told you before that I tweaked up Silverthorne's Super Neural System, changing the Stops and the Targets and the Bet Selection. I also changed his Progression Bets (by the way, I call flat bets, for instance: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1, etc., a Progression, a Flat Bet Progression) and winning around 80%, a 4 to 1 ratio.   Another question for you, Giz, I hope you don"t mind. On your Betting Levels you like a +3 over a -7. Win 3 for every Loss of 7, needing a 7/3 (2.33) average. What do you think of a 2 for 5 ratio? I realize that 2.5 is more than 2.33, but I'm thinking about that 2nd Win. With your Method that First Win is great and I believe getting that 2nd Win is much easier than getting the 2nd and 3rd Win. So the question is which is easier: getting the 2nd Win before a 5th Loss or getting the 3rd Win before a 7th Loss?

I created (2.33 x 3) = 7 to show people mathematically where the balance point is. The truth is that you can play in search of win streaks or slow grind upwards for from 2 to 3 hours. The goal is to take from the casino while randomness is giving out profits and to restrain your losses when it is not. It makes sense that a streak of wins will last much longer than 3 net wins.  I wanted validation so I made the method in this confined method. Just about everyone doing this has adapted it to their own preferences. The trick is to get skilled at taking while randomness is giving and to protect the bankroll when it is not.

Yes, Giz, I understand. I was reading your post in Gambler's Forum where I quote you: "I run into walls at two net wins all the time. Virtual bets are good in these conditions." So I thought maybe STOPPING at two Wins could be a better option. Maybe wouldn't Win as much, but there still is an Option to Bet again.

It has to do with the times that are difficult. You take notice of the difficulty of each session and learn how they tend to go. That's why more experience is much better. There are easy sessions and long slow grinding sessions. If it's a war just to break even then sure, take a break.

Thank you, Giz. Just finished reading all 72 pages of your thread in Gambler's Forum. A plethora of information. Noticed you play guitar. If you are interested see me on utube under richardmeisel playing and singing a couple originals. Waiting for the casinos to open to finally try roulette having been a craps player. I play keyboards, mostly in Churches. if you come to Phoenix, maybe we can jam and I'll record it. The music will be all improvisational and random!

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 17, 11:32 PM 2020
Thank you, Giz. Just finished reading all 72 pages of your thread in Gambler's Forum. A plethora of information. Noticed you play guitar. If you are interested see me on utube under richardmeisel playing and singing a couple originals. Waiting for the casinos to open to finally try roulette having been a craps player. I play keyboards, mostly in Churches. if you come to Phoenix, maybe we can jam and I'll record it. The music will be all improvisational and random!

I use this to play craps while taking a break.

Well, math wizard and Reading Random person. Uniform Distribution (UD throughout this thread) versus Randomness. In craps the dice can Roll 36 different numbers. For instance, the number 4, the math wizard will say will appear 3 times (1-3, 3-1, and 2-3) out of 36 Rolls, using the Odds on UD. But if the number 4 comes up say 5 consecutive times, that will skew the UD probably into the thousands. So let's say in Roulette we have 18 Spins, and they are RRRRBBBBRRRRRRRR. The math wizard will see 9 straight Reds and start calculating the Odds. He knows that the Odds of 10 consecutive REDS is 2.06 to the power of ten. He sees that that is 1 in 1,376. The odds seem so overwhelming that he puts up a large Bet on Black and he loses. On the other hand, the person Reading Randomness and looking for Trends, and Swarms, and Clusters, and other manifestations, puts up a large Bet on Red and Wins! The math wizard calls it luck, the Reading Randomness person calls it skill. So is it Luck or Skill? Being Random it's a little of both, bit I prefer the Skill Aspect of it. The whole topic of being "Introduced To Randomness And Random Numbers" is very deep and vast.

It can be much simpler than "gambler's fallacy."  Math does not predict the next outcome. This is not a game of a single win vs a single loss. You can take multiple wins and use them against single losses. A single loss tells you that the streak has broken down unless you are in a swarm of singles on the weak side. So you stop the speculative activity until you find another opportunity. So you need to watch to see if wins come in lengths like three at a time. If that is the case then don't take the loss on the fourth step. Randomness goes into phases of consistent formations. Math has nothing to do with times like that. It takes training and experience to exploit coincidence.  Arguing with math Nazis is pointless. They are blind as a bat. They think that they see everything. They are fun to watch contortions of pretzel maneuvers in logic as they defend a mathematical gambler's fallacy. If you look at their arguments it's always mathematical expectations. They think that math predicts the future. This of course irritates them.

Thank you, Giz. You are like a mystery writer, giving clues in your messages. I'd like your take on RNG's. Being somewhat of a mathematician I notice that the Odds in Craps (1 in 36) and the Odds in Roulette (1 in 38) are ONLY correct in UNIFORM DISTRIBUTION (UD). I have a WinCraps program that I like very much, BUT when I speed it up to hundreds of thousands of Rolls or more and I look at the Statistics the Deviation is quite like the UD. It seems like most Random Number Generators (RNG) after many Rolls or Spins tend to end up with UD. Why is that if they are supposed to be Random? I assume you like the RNG in your program. Since my laptop is broken and I haven't been able to download your program on my smartphone in Dropbox, I've been using the RNG at Random.com. Oh, TRINGs and PRINGs are fascinating.

Richard
I no math boy.
But what i find is any rng be it a live wheel or any rng using algo's; give repeats over 40 spins, see not a cycle of 37 as
1-3-5-7 and even at 60 spins; 30 repeats, rounded up from 29.5.

Rich, the best data is the Generals posted 10330 star burst spin; it gives 1-3-5-7-30 as averages for repeats. The old wind bag can't lie, he posted them.

Even random.org gives that average.

Yes, Notto, thank you. Concerning Repeaters for x number of Spins, all formulas are wrong and will lose in the long run, EXCEPT Betting on Doubles on the Weak Side.

My simulation and practice software uses a fair (non manipulated) PRNG.

on mouseUp
put random(38) into thisSpin
end mouseUp

A manipulated RNG would look for opportunities to cheat a player. It would consist of a way to make a player lose either by a percentage of bets placed or by targeting in bad streaks on purpose. Millions of ways to cheat the player can be written into the code and the execution would happen in less than a micro second.

My software uses a back protected version of implementation. This is in conjunction with a method to protect random seeding. In other words it protects against prediction algorithms.

From the documentation on the operating system's PRNG that my software uses:

Quote
Basic PRNG

All PRNGs in the system are SP800-90 AES_CTR_DRBG with 256-bit security strength
using the df() function for seeding and re-seeding (see SP 800-90 for details).
AES_CTR_DRBG is a cryptographic pseudo-random number generator. That means that
given any number of output bytes, it is computationally infeasible to determine the
internal state of the PRNG or any other output byte. As the name suggests,
AES_CTR_DRBG is based on using the AES block cipher in a counter mode, similarly to
the way it is used to create a key stream in AES-GCM.
This PRNG has backtracking resistance; after it has produced an output, the updated
PRNG state does not contain enough information to recover that output. The
backtracking resistance property is maintained throughout the RNG system.

Buffered PRNG

The Basic PRNGs are not used directly, but rather through a wrapping layer that adds
several features.

• A small buffer of random bytes to improve performance for small requests.
• A lock to support multi-threading.
• A seed version.

Buffering

The buffering is straightforward. There is a small buffer (currently 128 bytes). If a request
for random bytes is 128 bytes or larger, it is generated directly from AES_CTR_DRGB. If it
is smaller than 128 bytes it is taken from the buffer. The buffer is re-filled from the
AES_CTR_DRBG whenever it runs empty. So, if the buffer contains 4 bytes and the
request is for 8 bytes, the 4 bytes are taken from the buffer, the buffer is refilled with 128
bytes, and the first 4 bytes of the refilled buffer are used to complete the request,
leaving 124 bytes in the buffer. When bytes are taken from the buffer, their locations are
wiped (zeroed). This maintains the backtracking resistance.

The X-Talk software development language uses the Windows 10 operating system classes and libraries to execute a fair selection. After a spin is selected no manipulation of the result is used to change any outcomes. I use this software myself to practice. I don't trust RNG type Roulette games anywhere. I expect the casino to cheat the players.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 19, 06:11 PM 2020
My simulation and practice software uses a fair (non manipulated) PRNG.

on mouseUp
put random(38) into thisSpin
end mouseUp

A manipulated RNG would look for opportunities to cheat a player. It would consist of a way to make a player lose either by a percentage of bets placed or by targeting in bad streaks on purpose. Millions of ways to cheat the player can be written into the code and the execution would happen in less than a micro second.

My software uses a back protected version of implementation. This is in conjunction with a method to protect random seeding. In other words it protects against prediction algorithms.

From the documentation on the operating system's PRNG that my software uses:

The X-Talk software development language uses the Windows 10 operating system classes and libraries to execute a fair selection. After a spin is selected no manipulation of the result is used to change any outcomes. I use this software myself to practice. I don't trust RNG type Roulette games anywhere. I expect the casino to cheat the players.

You have a link for your software.  Is it for purchase?

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 19, 06:47 PM 2020You have a link for your software.  Is it for purchase?

It's right here in my signature on each post.  You go to that forums index page and look down to the software section. Somewhere is an operation and instruction thread also.

"Reading Randomness is a single thread. It is backed up by a software instruction thread and software download threads. The Even Chance Pro 1.4 version is the best version to practice on.
gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/ "

P.S. It's free. There is no secret upper level instruction. I will be happy to charge you a massive amount if you want private tutoring. I've got plenty of time.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 19, 07:55 PM 2020
It's right here in my signature on each post.  You go to that forums index page and look down to the software section. Somewhere is an operation and instruction thread also.

"Reading Randomness is a single thread. It is backed up by a software instruction thread and software download threads. The Even Chance Pro 1.4 version is the best version to practice on.
gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/ "

P.S. It's free. There is no secret upper level instruction. I will be happy to charge you a massive amount if you want private tutoring. I've got plenty of time.

I tried the link before.  I didn't look hard enough.  Thank you, Gizmo.

Thank you, Giz, for all the info about the RNG you use in your software. I noticed on Random.org under the heading "Introduction . . .", they claim that TRNGs are better than PRNGs at gaming.    Oh, Giz, Randomness and Improvisation are wonderful.   POSSIBILITIES over ODDS. Mathematicians will normally choose Odds over Possibilities. Though both can be Random, the math people will Read Random Mathematical Odds over Reading Random Mathematical Possibilities. The Odds work in a UNIFORM DISTRIBUTION, while the Randomness Distribution will appear in Trends or Nontrends, SINGLES or NONSINGLES, Doubles or No doubles, Triples on Nontriples, and so forth, and Swarms and Nonswarms, etc.  Thoughnboth are Random and Coincidental, Possibilities will Win more than Odds.  Here is a crazy example that the math guys will cringe at and maybe call me names (they'll say you can't draw lines and points are in space, etc.): I draw a square cube 1 inch square. I draw a diagonal line connecting the diagonal points. The theorem says that the line is exactly the Square Root of 2. Now I'm looking at the line that I just drew, the Mathematical Odds are the line is exactly the Square Root of 2. What! I just drew a line that is impossible to draw, the square root of 2 is a number that goes out to infinity. I can't draw that line. But I can see it. I can see the POSSIBILITY but not the ODDS.   When I play the keyboards, I try to create through Improvisation (Randomness over Sight Reading), the proper Improvisation is CREATIVE and reaches the CREATOR and tends to Manifest His Glory above Praise and Worship. CREATIVE POSSIBILITIES will always oushine STAGNANT ODDS.

A few of us ran a test to see if experienced players could tell the difference between RNG and real spins. They couldn't. In fact they called reals spins RNG most of the times.

Yes, who could tell the difference? I saw a list of about 12 tests they do for RNGs, way beyond a normal person's expertise. More about Odds: they cannot work with a CONSTANT Distribution like roulette. Odds can work with a CHANGING Distribution that is minusing that which is selected. For instance use a 52 deck of cards and take out a Jack and leave it out, and the Odds work.

Hi Gix. back at the other forum you posted something I can't find. It was a progression:.                                           
              1-1-1-1-1=5                                                   
    2-2-2-2=8                                                 
    4-4-4=12                                                         
        8-8=16                                 
          16=16    =57    Can you please tell me what this is for?

A lot of people like to discuss progressions at these forums. A few of us like the original creations of John Patrick's "up & pull" type progressions. 2, 1, 2 for instance for EC bets.  I use one progression mainly, only. It involves EC bets too. I dropped the double dozen bets years ago. It works but it does not do any better than EC's. And double dozens dig big holes that need to be recovered from. I use a two step progression combined with flat betting. It works like this. 1, 20. I flat bet at 1 until I'm in a state of opportunity when I move up to 20. Once that condition changes I go back to 1.

Any other discussions on progressions was just to intrigue the chronic progression players.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on Apr 24, 10:23 PM 2020
Hi Gix. back at the other forum you posted something I can't find. It was a progression:.                                           
              1-1-1-1-1=5                                                   
    2-2-2-2=8                                                 
    4-4-4=12                                                         
        8-8=16                                 
          16=16    =57    Can you please tell me what this is for?

I know what it might be. You take 5 units and let them ride 1 time for one of them 2 times for one of them, three times for 1 of them, etc...

so 1 becomes 2, then take it off --- at -3
--- 1 becomes 4, take that off --- at +1
--- 1 becomes 8, take that off --- at +9
--- 1 becomes 16, takes that off --- at +25
--- 1 becomes 32, keep it all --- +57

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 24, 11:58 PM 2020I use a two step progression combined with flat betting. It works like this. 1, 20. I flat bet at 1 until I'm in a state of opportunity when I move up to 20. Once that condition changes I go back to 1.

Giz, I have never heard of this kind of progression.
How do you decide that you are in a state of opportunity ?
When after flat betting of the 1 unit your bankroll has come to -20, so  then you flat bet with 20 units until you're plus with your bankroll?
Thanks

Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 25, 04:19 AM 2020How do you decide that you are in a state of opportunity ?
When after flat betting of the 1 unit your bankroll has come to -20, so  then you flat bet with 20 units until you're plus with your bankroll?

In the thread Reading Randomness, "over there" I make it a point to prove my point about opportunity by just focusing on one type of opportunity. I then go on later to suggest other characteristics of randomness. That first demonstration is in regards to seeing singles on the weak side across 6 different groupings of Even Chance bets. You might know of the odd/even, red/black, and the low/high EC's. I added three more groups in order to get to 6 groups made up of a total of 12 sets. Once you can see them occurring in a chart designed for them you can't go back to not seeing them.  I teach the reality that you can't know what the next spin or spins will do to the chart, but that you can place bets on things that are still continuing. So you wait for patterns of duration. An example would be a strong trend that when the singles on the weak side occur they do so for three times or less on the strong side. This is common enough. There are times when things like this jump from one group to another group, where there is a same trend occurring across the chart that lasts for intervals of like 8 to 10 spins or longer. This is all coincidental, in other words not magical. All it takes is gaining the skill to watch for these times. The more trained in the skill of opportunity recognition you are the more you see in the live play charts. So I built practice software so that you can gain that skill and experience. There is much much more to see than just singles on the weak side. I hope that helps in defining the degree to which I went into sharing this kind of playing. This is not another mystery system with a few clues here or there and drizzled out over months of discussion. It is something you can gain the skill to do, and go all the way with it, free of charge.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 25, 08:58 AM 2020It is something you can gain the skill to do, and go all the way with it, free of charge.

Hi gizmo  can you give us a demonstration on MPR. It would be great to see the stats.

Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 26, 04:54 AM 2020
Hi gizmo  can you give us a demonstration on MPR. It would be great to see the stats.

Are you talking about "The Mathematical Principles of Reinforcement?"

I don't know if I can or not. I will go this far though. I have no idea what the acronym is for. It's considered a lazy method of communicating if the acronym is not widely known. As far as the Chicago Book of Style goes you must use the full use of the acronym somewhere in the paragraph or page before using the acronym. An example would be TCA for Traffic Control Area because most people would not get it. But FBI or IRS would not need definition somewhere. So how stupid am I for not connecting with MPR?

I found it, it's fun. It forces you to get bets down very fast or else.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 26, 02:56 PM 2020I have no idea what the acronym is for

multi player roulette - MPR

Quote from: Taotie on Apr 27, 08:18 PM 2020
multi player roulette - MPR

Good timing. Now how about a little "the plane boss, the plane."

I got a question this morning from someone here so I thought I would tie it in with another discussion that took place here a while back.

Quote
...how about thinking backwards? Letting the roulette beat our random...

In this case: we think about a string of 4-5-6 random events and bet against them. Example: RED - HIGH - BLACK - BLACK - EVEN, (with a) 5 step martingale - total of 31 units bet. In case we lose this one, what are the chances to come back again consecutive? And I presume that we can recover pretty fast. Also, if one series of 5 events is won, we change it with some other different series (of a preselected) random (sequence).

What do you think?

Let's look at that other idea first:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 02, 05:06 PM 2020I suggested another way to get an extra step out of it a few weeks ago, somewhere? But I like your 32 - 32 anyway.

( 1 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 8 - 16 ) = six steps, then 32 once or 16 twice.  In this method you get back your bankroll without adding that eventual one unit forward. So it's just recovery but at one less number of steps. Or it's half the bankroll to start out with 1 - 1.

5 steps at 16 potential loss is better because it uses less bankroll and therefor less distance to recover.

Reading randomness is meant to be flat bet.  An important part of this is in recovering with flat bets alone and at a selected time. You would only go after a progression styled recovery while in favorable conditions. The problem with progression player's tactics is that they tend to bet when they are in a confirmed losing streak. So the thing that might  work well is the 1-1-2-4-8 progression, recovery only, and use it when it is not in a swarm of first try losses. In other words, if you know Reading Randomness, you never place bets back to back that are losing unless you are still in a "singles on the weak side" condition.  I hope that makes sense because the tactic is not explained here.

Anyway, I will try a few sessions to see if I like it.  Casinos know when a player is using a Martingale. But they will not recognize this because you cool off with virtual or minimum sized bets while things are in that changed state of not working opportunistically. You then come back with step 2, 3, or 4, etc... when conditions are not a losing streak.  This all goes back to reading good timing.

With regards to the preselected string of bets used at an exact moment in time, that has been tested to death and fails enough to make it not worth it. But it has never been tested for each step of the way during more favorable conditions.

Now with regards to seeing favorable conditions there is only one thing to look out for. You must avoid the continuous sequence of first lost bets for each step of the progression. You don't want to keep stepping away in a losing streak. Reading Randomness is all about seeing these conditions and waiting for better conditions.  That skill is perquisite.

Hi Gix, Richard again, finally got a new computer. Tried to download your Software and my Dropbox says the file is missing. Tried about 4 times. Did you take it down, or what can I do to get it? Thanks.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 21, 01:20 AM 2020
Hi Gix, Richard again, finally got a new computer. Tried to download your Software and my Dropbox says the file is missing. Tried about 4 times. Did you take it down, or what can I do to get it? Thanks.

I have  several software sims loaded up in the software section at the other website. I know I had something there in Dropbox that was a pain to download and extract. What software are you trying to get? I just downloaded and extracted the AI version for double dozens. It worked fine. No Dropbox required.  I remember a while back there was a dropbox link for something that I ended up taking down after they made it possible to upload zipped, compressed downloads, big enough to handle the packaged files.

OK, I found the link that goes to nothing. It's in the instruction thread for using the 1.4 with graph version at:

gamblingforums DOT com/threads/reading-randomness-practice-software-1-4g-with-graph.15233/

You now must go to the software download section from the index page for that gambling forum where you will find all the stuff I have up for discussion.  This link to the instruction page should be added to the download page for the zipped file. The dropbox link is busted. I took the file down from there when they increased the download size for the hosting in the new software section.

The access link to the instructions is further down, after the download link for the zipped file.

Hi Gix, got your software downloaded, but what do I put in the question box after I press RUN? Thank you.

007 software?

Quote from: thocxo2207 on May 23, 07:00 AM 2020
007 software?

I thought it was funny. It's asking if this is spyware as a metaphor.  I came up with a password for my first student that suggested using one. The software does not connect to the internet or store data in any way. You can save results as a text only file. It won't allow you to use your highlight and copy function on purpose. You must use the display Past Sessions and then Save Past buttons. This was all done back with the very first student. Didn't want this out there yet.  It's out there for free now because it's a difficult skill to get good at. Nevertheless, it's still a skill that a few have perfected. It's my joke on human nature. Nobody would freely give away a working skill, method, or system. So they reject it because trends don't always work. Funny that because I'm not the last person on earth to notice that. Part of all this is about learning to use judgment and use good timing. These are not magical concepts.

Hi Giz, what do I put in the box after RUN?

Gizmontron, so by “reading randomness”, you are saying that there are patterns occurring. And you can read those patterns - similar to Nikola Tesla’s 369, but instead of individual numbers, in groups. In this case, you are not reading random, because there is no such thing as random in the first place, otherwise you wouldn’t even be able to read it.

How has that worked out in practice? Are you winning with this consistently in casinos?

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 25, 03:02 PM 2020
Hi Giz, what do I put in the box after RUN?

You put the number of spins you would like to just run, typically before you start making bet selections. It's also a way to chart a ton of spins and just look at the charts for learning characteristics.

Quote from: winforus on May 25, 06:53 PM 2020
Gizmontron, so by “reading randomness”, you are saying that there are patterns occurring. And you can read those patterns - similar to Nikola Tesla’s 369, but instead of individual numbers, in groups. In this case, you are not reading random, because there is no such thing as random in the first place, otherwise you wouldn’t even be able to read it.

How has that worked out in practice? Are you winning with this consistently in casinos?

I just wrote this there. Frankly it's all you deserve. I have explained everything already at that other forum. I only want to write the explanation once.

QuotePersonally, I can't think of anything worse than losing a parleyed bet. It really messes with your head than you have just turned a positive into a negative.

As for dominant side, this is all after the event observations. You do know there is no-correlational between the next hand and last series of hands? Observing a score board is like looking at the past, it's gone, it may or may not continue, each time it does, equally it won't :D:D

"Right on point. If anyone is going to learn anything from betting on the continuation of a trend or pattern they should learn how to live with just one or at most two flat bet wins. Everything ends and almost always sooner rather than later. Just take the one win from a trend. It's more than enough. If you can get just three net wins advantage you are doing great for a session. People just can't figure that out though."

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 25, 07:30 PM 2020
I just wrote this there. Frankly it's all you deserve. I have explained everything already at that other forum. I only want to write the explanation once.

"Right on point. If anyone is going to learn anything from betting on the continuation of a trend or pattern they should learn how to live with just one or at most two flat bet wins. Everything ends and almost always sooner rather than later. Just take the one win from a trend. It's more than enough. If you can get just three net wins advantage you are doing great for a session. People just can't figure that out though."

Do you have your own winning method? And are you winning with it (like pro playing for a living)?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 25, 07:30 PM 2020If anyone is going to learn anything from betting on the continuation of a trend or pattern they should learn how to live with just one or at most two flat bet wins. Everything ends and almost always sooner rather than later. Just take the one win from a trend. It's more than enough. If you can get just three net wins advantage you are doing great for a session

I absolutely agree with this statement.
The problem is that it is difficult to figure out when a trend starts and stops.
And when you'll catch  the trend you will just try to recover the loses from the previous unsuccessful tries.
Because randomness kills also this kind of play.

The trend might continue. You might bet and win, then stop, thinking your system worked.

Or you could stop, and avoid distaster, thinking your system saved you.

Or you can win lots, thinking your system is awesone.

The truth is your system changed nothing. You can either be lucky or unlucky. The odds didn't change. You've just fooled yourself.

You can either be lucky or unlucky. The odds didn't change.

Steve, I personally do not believe in luck or unluck. How can God get any Glory if you believe in luck? And as for the odds that say any previous Spins will not influence the present Spin, I just cannot believe this. But you'll probably say that the present Spin has a 1/37 or 1/38 chance of happening. True. But take a look at the past 38 Spins and look at all the Even Bets (R/B - E/O - H/L) and the 3 Dozens and the 3 Columns {there are others also but just these here), and look at the Trends and the Clusters and the Singles and the Doubles and the Triples and the Weak Side and the Strong Side, etc. Now looking at them all on one sheet decide where you would have Bet (say you choose about 7 Bets), and find out for yourself if you would have Won or Lost. I predict you would have Won with these Guesses because they were EDUCATED guesses. So I believe that the Past most certainly affects the Now and the Future even though the chance is still 1/37 or 1/38. Now Giz likes to get 3 Wins before 7 Losses, but I prefer 2 Wins before 5 Losses. But if you want to spend a lot of time at the Wheel I do have a nice Method as probably most of the Roulette players have. There are a tremendous amount of Systems and Methods of playing Roulette listed many places on the internet.

Quote from: huskerdu on May 26, 07:32 AM 2020The problem is that it is difficult to figure out when a trend starts and stops.
And when you'll catch  the trend you will just try to recover the loses from the previous unsuccessful tries.
Because randomness kills also this kind of play.

That goes to the point of Reading Randomness. If you are in a session that is just grinding away then you are not in a win streak session.  It takes a lot of playing experience to learn to recognize the different types of sessions, the speed of changes, the duration of mini streaks, the actual characteristic of the currently occurring session. It takes a lot of experience so that you don't jump to impulsive conclusions and then make bad moves. The better you are at seeing what is happening to your bet selections the easier it is to use this method. I got this from the very rare ultra extreme skiing world. The steeper it gets the less energy it takes to control the descent. But the steeper it gets the greater are the consequences if you make a mistake. First you must be an expert before you can see how easy it is. This is true of reading randomness. You must be looking at the results of your moves and how the terrain changes. If you try to get ahead of yourself with wishful thinking then all that planning will blow up in your face. This is why people can't use trends to win. They anticipate what they want and then project that into their decisions. It's ignorance. And after getting killed they conclude that it does not work. It takes self control and the ability to command your will strategically. Everyone can't be a prize fighter. How hard are you willing to work your brain?  You have your reason to quit. So use it. You have just successfully failed. Nice going. You set out to lose once again. This is so common. If you want to set out to win then you must really get the education that it takes. I invented all this from nothing and without guidance. That includes taking hits while knowing that it works. You have a road map and the ability to not have to take decades of bad mistakes along the way. If you can't figure it out with all this then the world is just a facsinating place full of people that only want an easy path in life. I never took the easy path.

Don't blame the nature of trends when it's your ability to live with common ordinary changes that are not natural. Trends are only good for you if you know how to catch them and practically hang on to them. That comes specifically from playing experience. They are never a magic panacea.

Quote from: Steve on May 26, 08:18 AM 2020
The trend might continue. You might bet and win, then stop, thinking your system worked.

Or you could stop, and avoid distaster, thinking your system saved you.

Or you can win lots, thinking your system is awesone.

The truth is your system changed nothing. You can either be lucky or unlucky. The odds didn't change. You've just fooled yourself.

Knowing what I know I just suspect that it is you Steve that are fooling yourself. But you might need to believe what you think is the truth. You need trends to not work.  Seeing a trend changes nothing. It can't predict the next outcome. But at times trends dominate as a pattern that keeps repeating. This occurs long enough to get just one net win from it. People don't play Roulette just to win one battle at a time.  They play with some wishful thinking that will eventually change their lives. Everyone wants a progression that works like magic. Heck, even those that buy your computers want that activity to change their lives. The real battle is the space between your ears. I know when I'm in a cluster of the same trend characteristic. I know how to turn that into a massive win streak. I don't need to know when it will end. I just need to see when it ends and adjust accordingly. Everyone wants to put down trends because they don't predict the future. It's always funny, that argument. Of course it does not predict the future. Get past it please.  It doesn't launch battle ships or fly to Mars either.  It's just people taking a straw man stand. Trends don't predict the future. So why does it need to? That question never gets asked or answered. Why do you need trends to predict the future?

Quote from: Clf7 on May 26, 04:44 AM 2020
Do you have your own winning method? And are you winning with it (like pro playing for a living)?

I have far more knowledge on this topic than I have disclosed in the thread. I have decades of playing experience regarding changes and winning and losing streaks. I can't teach experience. All I can do is hand people the road map to gain that experience. You asking me if I'm a pro is actually you searching for confidence or evidence of validation. Here is your answer to that from me. Take the information, perfect the skill needed to execute the strategies, and give yourself unequivocal validation. Or, on the other hand, you can wait for the consensus to give you that validation after it becomes too late. It is my goal to get the math oriented absolutist to be in the latter group. If that gobbles up the naturally cynical and skeptical I don't really care much. People are good at saying they should have jumped on this or that when they had a chance. Could be a trend people like to bet on.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 25, 07:23 PM 2020
You put the number of spins you would like to just run, typically before you start making bet selections. It's also a way to chart a ton of spins and just look at the charts for learning characteristics.

Hi Giz, I downloaded your Even Chance Pro 1.4 With Graphs and when I push RUN, a box comes up and asks: "What is the question?". Whatever I put in the box won't allow me to use your program.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 26, 02:46 PM 2020
  Hi Giz, I downloaded your Even Chance Pro 1.4 With Graphs and when I push RUN, a box comes up and asks: "What is the question?". Whatever I put in the box won't allow me to use your program.

The anwser is in this thread and the one on the other board. But to help you out. The password is: 007 software

Quote from: RayManZ on May 26, 03:26 PM 2020
The anwser is in this thread and the one on the other board. But to help you out. The password is: 007 software

it's

Quote007 software?

with no space before the "007" and no space after the "?"

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 26, 02:46 PM 2020Hi Giz, I downloaded your Even Chance Pro 1.4 With Graphs and when I push RUN, a box comes up and asks: "What is the question?". Whatever I put in the box won't allow me to use your program.

Oh, that box. That's working perfectly. The first student to use this software wanted a secret access code. So I went with a secret agent code. I lost access to the source code during an open source testing. The open source software ate it while I was programming and I lost 6 months work. But I had this version, which works great for practice. I don't want to re program all this work. It's the skill that matters anyway. I just built this thing to teach Reading Randomness.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 26, 09:31 AM 2020Steve, I personally do not believe in luck or unluck.

If you bet heads on a coin flip and win, it wasn't divine intervention. It was more likely "chance" (in this case, "good luck"). It has nothing to do with "god".

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 26, 09:31 AM 2020How can God get any Glory if you believe in luck?

Why would a divine being give a shit about "glory" and "pride"? And when did it become giving "god" glory? And for what purpose?

This is not about whether or not I believe in "god". I believe we are all part of what you'd call god, and basically we're all "him". We are like nodes in a network, and the network is god. But I dont follow any particular religion, because I believe they've all lost the message.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 26, 09:31 AM 2020And as for the odds that say any previous Spins will not influence the present Spin, I just cannot believe this.

You might eventually find you currently believe a lot of things that just aren't true.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 26, 09:31 AM 2020But take a look at the past 38 Spins and look at all the Even Bets (R/B - E/O - H/L) and the 3 Dozens and the 3 Columns {there are others also but just these here), and look at the Trends and the Clusters and the Singles and the Doubles and the Triples and the Weak Side and the Strong Side, etc. Now looking at them all on one sheet decide where you would have Bet (say you choose about 7 Bets), and find out for yourself if you would have Won or Lost. I predict you would have Won with these Guesses because they were EDUCATED guesses.

No. You'd be following normal random behavior. It's like a coin toss... heads wins 3 times in a row. You see a trend, and bet heads. Was the trend normal random behavior, or a real trend that influences what happens next? Why am I even discussing this? It's super old news.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 26, 10:50 AM 2020But at times trends dominate as a pattern that keeps repeating

Sure, and that's also normal random behavior. You might see RRR,and the trend might continue to be RRRRRR, or RRRBRB or RRRBBB. It changes nothing.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 26, 10:50 AM 2020This occurs long enough to get just one net win from it

OR, you just lose instead.

Which will happen? Well if your trend is based on even chance bets, your odds on the european wheel are 18/37. That's on each and every spin, no matter what you think the previous trend was.

You talk as if trends make a big difference, then contradict yourself saying they dont.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 26, 10:50 AM 2020Why do you need trends to predict the future?

Because for any system to beat roulette consistently, it must increase the accuracy of predictions (the next spins). Consider this:

System A (an awesome system you developed)
You bet 1 number per spin
Average win rate: 1 in 37, with no control over when you win.

System B (random betting)
You bet 1 number per spin
Average win rate: 1 in 37, with no control over when you win.

And that's why if you're using trends, you need them to predict the future.

OTHERWISE YOU'VE CHANGED NOTHING.

Quote from: Steve on May 26, 07:14 PM 2020Sure, and that's also normal random behavior. You might see RRR,and the trend might continue to be RRRRRR, or RRRBRB or RRRBBB. It changes nothing.

How wonderful. You are looking for a force that changes things and I am not. But let's look at your example and see if you can see past your need to foresee what might or might not continue.  RRRbbRRRbbRRRbb OOOeeOOOeeOOOeeOOOee hhhLLhhhLLhhhLLhhhLL this is in fact an example of the Global Effect combined with the perfect execution of a pattern. You would ignore it and I would make thousands off of it. I by my own skillful training am a force that changes things. You are a person invested in not seeing opportunities. But that's OK. You have your computers and your surrogates to operate.

Quote from: Steve on May 26, 07:14 PM 2020OR, you just lose instead.

Which will happen? Well if your trend is based on even chance bets, your odds on the european wheel are 18/37. That's on each and every spin, no matter what you think the previous trend was.

You talk as if trends make a big difference, then contradict yourself saying they dont.

I don't actually contradict myself. I say that they don't foretell any future outcome. I also say that they don't need to. I say they continue at a duration that is also common to the same in surrounding situations at times. There is no less an opportunity in 20 Reds in a row or a very strongly occurring pattern. But all this is to be ignored because it "doesn't change anything." I could show you powerful opportunities but you will just say that it can't be counted on. But Reading Randomness is mostly all about assessing effectiveness at the time. You don't want to consider that for some reason. There are times when the guesses based on trends go into phases of working very good. You don't acknowledge that.

Gizmo, you cant bet on the past.

I'm not saying you need a force to change something. I'm saying you just need to win with better than random accuracy.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 12:30 AM 2020RRRbbRRRbbRRRbb OOOeeOOOeeOOOeeOOOee hhhLLhhhLLhhhLLhhhLL

It makes sweet FA difference what patterns you think you see in a case like this. It is normal random behavior.

You could see the "perfect" pattern that suits your system. Then you make your bets for the next spin. And like I said, you could win, or lose. The average win/loss rate wont change.

For it to change, you need to increase accuracy of predictions.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 12:39 AM 2020I say that they don't foretell any future outcome

So if your bets arent based on your predictions of the future, they are based on what?

All gambling games are about deciding on what to bet on, based on your prediction. That is unless you're a pure gambler and bet wherever, or rely on progressions entirely.

Quote from: Steve on May 26, 07:14 PM 2020Because for any system to beat roulette consistently, it must increase the accuracy of predictions (the next spins). Consider this:

When I say that there are phases of effectiveness that go into stretches of it working real well I mean that it increases the results. It's just you making it a rule that it must take place by "prediction." I'm just saying that you can notice it occurring. It occurs without prediction and that is a complete refutation of your rule. Your rule is only a theory at best. 

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 12:40 AM 2020Gizmo, you cant bet on the past.

I'm not. I'm selecting a bet based on a condition that is currently in a state of happening. It's not the past. It's now. And they don't all end just when I notice them.  If they did I would know exactly what to bet and win every time.  That's what bugs you I think. I know how to lose the mathematical times that I should in a session and yet still come out ahead. I don't fund the losing streaks. If you play the up & down waves of the session instead of blind guessing then you have a chance to quit while you are ahead. At least I do. The odds do not control when and how long these waves will last. All you can do is confirm your effectiveness and exploit that when it is working. But you can't because you are invested in your rule.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 12:40 AM 2020For it to change, you need to increase accuracy of predictions.

There's that rule again. I don't need it to change by an increase in accuracy. I just need it to change on its randomness own. And it always does.  And as far as almost perfect patterns lasting from 30 minutes to 4 hours goes, I'm glad that people that need your rule and live by it always miss out.  I don't need to drag you to see it. You are a grown man. If you don't want to see it then please yourself.  It's the funnest thing on planet earth. You see a perfectly occurring pattern and you bet it until it breaks down. You make thousands off of it and everyone gathers around and cheers. The pit boss comes over and stands to watch all the action. And thanks to most people believing in things like your rule, nobody has a clue what is happening right in front of them. But I always notice the win streak at the Craps table. They get laud and cheer there all the time for those mini streaks of pass bets.  They are just not very good at living with a winner.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 12:43 AM 2020So if your bets arent based on your predictions of the future, they are based on what?

The coincidence of randomness and your ability to fit your bet selections into what is happening. Add to that the skill to let it go fast as it just begins to fall apart. It always falls apart. It can't be a system where you just blindly go after any trend. It must be in a working state and you must know why it is in synchronicity. That is a skill combined with experience. You must be agile enough to stop as fast as you started. Most people just want to win more and so they barge right into a losing streak at full value. It's a war concerning greed. Most people do not have what it takes. I'm sure that you have noticed that in the players that lack experience using your computers. It must be pretty much the same thing.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 12:43 AM 2020All gambling games are about deciding on what to bet on, based on your prediction. That is unless you're a pure gambler and bet wherever, or rely on progressions entirely.

I don't try to use a skill that can't exist. Because I can't predict anything I must become aware of a trend that is in a working condition. If I don't see one then I don't place a top priced bet on anything.  I know how to win more working conditions than I lose them. It's really that simple and it clearly makes magical belief in mathematical probability a fallacy. The odds don't tell you when a condition will be working or how long a working condition will last. Yet these same experts of math want you to believe that the odds rule everything.  I don't put money on bet selections that are not working. Sure I lose full priced bets. I just don't lose money on all of those that math says I must lose.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 12:40 AM 2020You could see the "perfect" pattern that suits your system. Then you make your bets for the next spin. And like I said, you could win, or lose. The average win/loss rate wont change.

If I lose that first bet then the situation has just ended. But If I win 20 bets in a row I guess it was just luck. That is why I stop all sessions on 3 net wins. I know that the waves are actually small most of the times. I don't bet my way into holes. I hit the upticks and end the sessions before the peaks. I do this because my plan is to win. The casino can't stop the peaks and valleys from occurring. So all I do is take advantage of that condition. It's so very simple if you have self control. You just have to know that valleys and peaks will come to you.  You can get them from just betting on Red only. But you would do much better if you bet black during a red valley. I don't expect people to treat a single session as the full event. I'm playing the moves and changes in the session. Most people want a magical progression to take over so that they can put their minds in a hammock. That's a great way to feed the casino your paycheck.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 12:46 AM 2020I mean that it increases the results.

Do you mean you are increasing the win rate to be better than random?
If so, that's what I keep saying.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 12:46 AM 2020It's just you making it a rule that it must take place by "prediction."

Whether you use the NOW, or the PAST to determine where to bet next, it's still a "prediction".

But actually in roulette, there's no such thing as the now. There's either past spins, or future spins.

I understand what you;re saying by the "current state" (the NOW), but you're still basing bets on what you expect will happen in the future. Nobody bets on the present. It's always about what happens next.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 12:46 AM 2020It occurs without prediction and that is a complete refutation of your rule. Your rule is only a theory at best. 

As above, your bets are based on previous spins. You call it the NOW. But it's actually just past spins. There is no spin in the NOW. The nearest you can bet is the previous spin, or the next spin.

I understand what you're saying, but it's incorrect. What I'm saying is not theory. It's fact. You can only bet on future spins.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 12:52 AM 2020It's not the past. It's now. And they don't all end just when I notice them.  If they did I would know exactly what to bet and win every time.  That's what bugs you I think.

To clarify, there's nothing "bugging" me. If anything, I'm just not understanding how you can justify your logic to yourself, which it's clearly backwards.

You're basically saying you have set patterns you expect will complete. But that's fallacy.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:01 AM 2020I don't need it to change by an increase in accuracy. I just need it to change on its randomness own.

Just before you said you "increase the results". Does that mean increase the accuracy? No matter how you spin it, your bets are based on something. And it's still a prediction. Even if you call it "unfolding", it's still a prediction.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:01 AM 2020I'm glad that people that need your rule and live by it always miss out. 

It's not MY rule. I didn't design this universe.

At least I dont think I did. If I did, I must have been drunk and dont remember. There are things I dont agree with.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:01 AM 2020You are a grown man

Depends who you ask.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:01 AM 2020If you don't want to see it then please yourself.  It's the funnest thing on planet earth

There are funnier things.

Gizmo, I do see what you're saying. Again you're just incorrect.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:01 AM 2020You see a perfectly occurring pattern and you bet it until it breaks down

And again. You're betting on a pattern you believe is "forming". That's prediction.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:01 AM 2020You make thousands off of it and everyone gathers around and cheers. The pit boss comes over and stands to watch all the action.

Sounds awesome. Except in reality, that's the last thing a professional player wants.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:01 AM 2020And thanks to most people believing in things like your rule, nobody has a clue what is happening right in front of them.

Basic math is not my rule.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:07 AM 2020The coincidence of randomness and your ability to fit your bet selections into what is happening.

Random means this......
Whatever you think, whatever your system tells you to bet on, it means precisely d*ck. Because everything is flipped around, put on its head, turned around some more, and flipped around some more. And then you get the outcome. Your bets have the same average accuracy as random bets.

Gizmo, I'd really love you to be right. But I dont think you are. Anyway whatever. If you're winning, keep winning.

I think he have something NOW, why to throw stones on him, give him a chance to explain his betting pattern.

He doesn't have to explain anything.

I'm just pointing out problems in what he is explaining.

Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 27, 02:55 AM 2020
I think he have something NOW, why to throw stones on him, give him a chance to explain his betting pattern.

I don't think Gizmo has a betting pattern. What Gizmo has is a vision of the trends that are being created by the roulette spins. And he plays according to that. It's not a fixed "something" that can be coded.

If you can't code it, its more like guesswork.

Guesswork can still be profitable, if you're accurate enough.

But he said he doesn't increase accuracy. He increases the results though. I'm waiting to hear what that means.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 04:10 AM 2020
If you can't code it, its more like guesswork. :thumbsup:

Guesswork can still be profitable, if you're accurate enough.

That's why VB and DS is similar bs guesswork.

Actually vb can be coded. That's what a roulette computer is.

Ds can be coded too.

And like i said, even if it were guesswork, it is still profitable, if you're accurate enough. Like the stock market..

At least thats not random, like rng.

And ap isnt rubbish you know. People don't regularly earn millions from bullshit guesswork, or trash like repeaters. Unless it's parx money.

But guess what regularly does earn millions, in real money?

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 27, 04:02 AM 2020
I don't think Gizmo has a betting pattern. What Gizmo has is a vision of the trends that are being created by the roulette spins. And he plays according to that. It's not a fixed "something" that can be coded.

Can I give him for free a 37 roulette random spins to show me what to play next?

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 05:17 AM 2020
Actually vb can be coded. That's what a roulette computer is.

Ds can be coded too.

VB and DS is not coded, fact.
They hv to be guesswork by your previous interpretation.
Same yardstick applied.

 Systems bet can be coded and tested over millions of spins over thousands of wheels. Fact.

Has RC been tested over millions of spins over thousands of different wheels? No. Fact.

Same yardstick applied.

Cht, vb is an algorithm. The player is the computer. Like a real computer, it is subject to some error. That's the same as vb..

Ds can be 100% coded and mechanical.

Quote from: cht on May 27, 05:30 AM 2020Has RC been tested over millions of spins over thousands of different wheels? No. Fact.

No, and it's needed.

Because it has other substanting data. There's lots, but for example, predicting where and when the ball will fall. So the data is very specific. You only need to see a few spins to see it ain't random.

It's not the same yard stick. Its not the same ball game. Its not even the same sport. Roulette computers and physics in general have so much more supporting information than typical systems.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 05:31 AM 2020
Cht, vb is an algorithm. The player is the computer. Like a real computer, it is subject to some error. That's the same as vb..

Ds can be 100% coded and mechanical.

I am not arguing with you.

I expect the same yardstick of measure applied for everything, no double standards.

If you dispute what I wrote then produce the actual proof of test results for millions of spins on thousands of wheels. Post the graph here.

The same is expected from systems bet.

Repeat - NO BS DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Ofc AP, VB, DS, RC can't provide the required proof. Just a wall of  usual bs text - we already know that.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 05:17 AM 2020But guess what regularly does earn millions, in real money?

What?

Like i said, its not even the same sport.

Do you understand what i mean by physics and ap having much more substanting data?

100 spins for a roulette computer is about the equivalent of 100,000 spins tested for a typical system. In fact probably more.

There's the ball fall time, fall place, rotor orientation, scatter charts and more. The data can be broken down precise details so there's no doubt where accuracy comes from. I've been doing this a very long time.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 27, 05:36 AM 2020
What?

Producing hardcore porn.
Of course.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 05:31 AM 2020
Cht, vb is an algorithm. The player is the computer. Like a real computer, it is subject to some error. That's the same as vb..

Gizmo is the computer...

Also he stated i could be coded but he won't do it. He coded his Double dozen system. Same principle. More numbers.

If gizmo is the computer, whats he calculating?

He isn't clear about that. Maybe he has something that works, maybe not.

But i just haven't seen anything at all to indicate a valid approach. From what i do know, it looks the opposite. But i have an open mind. Ill look at whatever he has to offer. Like i did with turbo, although his talk was just a pile of dribble and nonsense. Big waste of time.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 05:48 AM 2020
If gizmo is the computer, whats he calculating?

He isn't clear about that. Maybe he has something that works, maybe not.

But i just haven't seen anything at all to indicate a valid approach. From what i do know, it looks the opposite. But i have an open mind. Ill look at whatever he has to offer. Like i did with turbo, although his talk was just a pile of dribble and nonsense. Big waste of time.

He is just riding the variance waves. Only he sees it as patterns, but we all know patterns are just in the human head. A visual aid. Nothing fancy about that.

I believe he is just doing some sort of precog. I bet he sometimes cant even explain why he is betting or not betting. Just a hunce/feeling.

I read all gizmos posts. I think you didnot? I even tried his method for a couple of months. I did work for me. But my own method is faster/easier and more precog. I do like his 3 net wins 7 losses idea and i use it to.

As he said, practice practice practice practice practice and more practice. It does make perfect.

I you can write an AI and have a database of All Gizmo's plays i bet the AI would be even better.

I can believe precog. Its at least more credible than 1+1=42

But didn't he say it could be coded?

For systems bet, we all know it can be coded, tested over millions of spins easily. Fact. The problem is NOBODY who has this proof will post it on forum. No point waiting or asking for proof - your assumption that it doesn't exists is not proof.

The real problem is casino's ban such systems bettors and disallow the use of systems betting apps on their phone.

There are more ways to beat roulette than computers. Its just my preferred method.

I'm not waiting for anything.

I respond to claims and posts, where i thibk is needed.

No casino allows consistent winners, no matter how you win. No winning system is allowed. Winning is not about what allowed.
You must avoid detection.

Either Gizmo is not very good at articulating himself or still doesn't properly understand what he is actually doing- one or the other.

I believe that he is either doing precog without knowing it, or using a concept similar to Tesla's 369 - but with "patterns". Or a combination of both.

The thing that makes me skeptical, is the fact that he refuses to answer this question that I and other people have asked:

Gizmo, have you been winning consistently with this? Can you share us some of your results? (number of units won, and spins)

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 07:03 AM 2020
You must avoid detection.

Detection is a problem BUT it can be avoided.

The real problem with winning systems betting is the.....

WORK!

Like the casino, positive edge systems bet still require large bets and lots of bets for the positive edge to materialise. Player could be clocking 6-12hrs daily grind at the b&m casino. Are you prepared to do this dirty work? Guess not.

Quote from: cht on May 27, 06:57 AM 2020
For systems bet, we all know it can be coded, tested over millions of spins easily. Fact. The problem is NOBODY who has this proof will post it on forum. No point waiting or asking for proof - your assumption that it doesn't exists is not proof.

Of course they don't have proof - there wasn't a single person who came to this forum to claim to have HG, actually had it. All disappeared, and later revealed to be scammers or bullshitters just trying to sell their junk to addicts.

And if they would have proof - you can bet your ass that it would be sold for a very great price (over $100k at the very least as Steve said).

Ignorance and stubbornness is the biggest issue with system players on this forum.

You got a person (Steve), who has decades worth of experience, sharing with your FREE information on methods that have been PROVEN to work. A guy with a proven track record, that has won a decent amount, and that has studied roulette for many years. He even offers to share profits 50/50 - at no upfront cost to use his computers. (I would certainly take up that offer, but unfortunately only live in a location with 1 small casino, so playing online is the best option at the moment)

They could learn from the mistakes of others, and save lots of time/money. But their donkey stubbornness won't let them.

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 07:14 AM 2020
Of course they don't have proof - there wasn't a single person who came to this forum to claim to have HG, actually had it. All disappeared, and later revealed to be scammers or bullshitters just trying to sell their junk to addicts.

And if they would have proof - you can bet your ass that it would be sold for a very great price (over $100k at the very least as Steve said).

I'm still here!  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 07:03 AM 2020
There are more ways to beat roulette than computers. Its just my preferred method.

I'm not waiting for anything.

I respond to claims and posts, where i thibk is needed.

No casino allows consistent winners, no matter how you win. No winning system is allowed. Winning is not about what allowed.
You must avoid detection.

Which ways? I mean ways who real work, dont say like bias who are not working on modern wheels.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 01:36 AM 2020Whether you use the NOW, or the PAST to determine where to bet next, it's still a "prediction".

It feels like a guess. It could be a prediction without merit. It's just semantics at that point.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 01:36 AM 2020I understand what you;re saying by the "current state" (the NOW), but you're still basing bets on what you expect will happen in the future. Nobody bets on the present. It's always about what happens next.

I don't expect a thing to happen. I know first try losses are always out there.  I just watch out for swarms of first try losses. It's just a guess. But sometimes those guesses go into phases of working perfectly. It's so simple. It's just noticing when your bets are working and when they are not. You don't need trends. You can use a pre selected set of bets and just watch for when they start to work in swarms of spins temporaraly. It's not the bet selection that makes this work. It's the effectiveness conditions. At times they come in swarms that last for a while. I just pounce on the casino when that happens. People think it is just a lucky streak. Well, it is just a lucky streak. All I have done is teach others how to take advantage of lucky streaks. In this case all my lucky streaks occur when my trends and patterns are in a working condition. It's so simple.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 01:36 AM 2020I understand what you're saying, but it's incorrect. What I'm saying is not theory. It's fact. You can only bet on future spins.

Pretzel logic. I bet on the waves caused by the ups & downs of effectiveness. It's always based on the current continuing or ending conditions. It is in fact based on the "now" condition. I can lose the next bet and still win the session.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 01:36 AM 2020Sounds awesome. Except in reality, that's the last thing a professional player wants.

Actually I'm a building contractor. I want the job to be done. Anyway I have so many experts to tell them that it was just a lucky streak. Just let him keep playing and his luck will run out. My goal is to make the mathNazis eat it. I want to change the world and don't care if I lose my access to keep doing this. You can't take it with you.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 01:36 AM 2020Just before you said you "increase the results". Does that mean increase the accuracy? No matter how you spin it, your bets are based on something. And it's still a prediction. Even if you call it "unfolding", it's still a prediction.

I don't increase anything. It's all based on coincidence. Randomness is in the driver seat. I have no control over it. But when it all lines up in a convenient sequence I take what it is giving. For me it's a bag of gold just sitting there waiting to be picked up. It's not a magical claim. It's not a fallacy. There are no odds to figure it by. You see it and grab it or you don't. I don't care how long this will take. If you wait in a non destructive fashion then you will be situated to grab it when it comes. It's just waiting for coincidence to line up nicely.

Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 27, 02:55 AM 2020I think he have something NOW, why to throw stones on him, give him a chance to explain his betting pattern.

I already did explain it. It's found in another thread at a different forum. The link is fanatically disclosed in my signature on each posting here. But I started posting about it here because some people here were working on it. It's ten times more fun talking about it here. I just don't want to write it all down again.

Why are you calling it "randomness" then? Random by definition is unpredictable. And you are clearly able to make predictions - at least accurate enough to be winning.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 27, 04:02 AM 2020I don't think Gizmo has a betting pattern. What Gizmo has is a vision of the trends that are being created by the roulette spins. And he plays according to that. It's not a fixed "something" that can be coded.

It can be coded. It's a royal pain in the arss. It's easier and faster to program players.  If I tell you to look for singles on the weak side of an EC selection then you do or don't know what I'm saying. But if I illustrate it in charts then you get to see it right in front of your eyes. That is programming people. They are better logic processors.

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 09:31 AM 2020Why are you calling it "randomness" then? Random by definition is unpredictable. And you are clearly able to make predictions - at least accurate enough to be winning.

I'm making bet selections that are funded or they are not funded. I lose the bets that I'm expected to lose based on the odds. I just don't lose all the money that I'm supposed to lose.  People insist that you can't know the timing of when to bet money and when not to. But they are not skilled at this. So I will say it again. Randomness also includes swarms of a same condition. You can recognize favorable conditions and exploit them as long as they continue. Or you can ignore their existence and only see chaos. Randomness can appear to be structural even when it is in fact chaos. None of this is that important to me. People are looking for validation. They want me to prove it. All I'm doing is programming people to see it and then letting them prove it to themselves. That is all that is going on here. They are all free to answer their own questions about validation.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 04:10 AM 2020But he said he doesn't increase accuracy. He increases the results though. I'm waiting to hear what that means.

I don't count on the guess doing the job of winning. I count on a sequence of wins gathering in a swarm to do the job. That all occurs by coincidence and not by accuracy. It's just a state of being. I just look for it. You can play without a bet selection method and still get win streaks.  I just use trends to find win streaks. So when trends are in a working very good state the win streak also happens.  I don't hope that a bet selection will work. I just look for bet selections that are already proving to be working at the time. There is a simple logic to this. I can only win in a streak if the streak already exists as apposed to hoping that the next bet will be the beginning of a streak when there is none to find lurking about.  It's like cruising for chicks. You won't find a babe in a swarm of ugly ducklings.

Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 27, 05:22 AM 2020Can I give him for free a 37 roulette random spins to show me what to play next?

It doesn't matter what you bet next. What matters is if you can catch a win streak. You put up big money in a win streak and you place minimum bets during anything else that is not a win streak. I make a bet selection on each spin. I just don't fund bets that are not in a win streak.

I checked the other forum and in your thread, you stated that you started using this approach 14 years ago.  No where in your thread did you state how much you have won.

In the last 5 years, around how many units you have won and in how many spins?  (not asking for amount of $ but units)

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 05:48 AM 2020
If gizmo is the computer, whats he calculating?

He isn't clear about that. Maybe he has something that works, maybe not.

But i just haven't seen anything at all to indicate a valid approach. From what i do know, it looks the opposite. But i have an open mind. Ill look at whatever he has to offer. Like i did with turbo, although his talk was just a pile of dribble and nonsense. Big waste of time.

I never expected you to go over where the teaching is actually being done. You have your own business interests to run. That is where it is all explained. It begins by teaching characteristic recognition. It makes a complete example of singles on the weak side at first. Just one characteristic in order to teach process recognition. That is only the first step. It goes on to recommend other characteristics like singles, doubles, triples, etc...  But then it goes into effectiveness recognition. It's all taught there. I just wanted to write it down once, and in one place.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 09:55 AM 2020
It doesn't matter what you bet next. What matters is if you can catch a win streak. You put up big money in a win streak and you place minimum bets during anything else that is not a win streak. I make a bet selection on each spin. I just don't fund bets that are not in a win streak.

Unifrtunately you dont know where the winning streak will end, and where will start . Probably the WLWLWLWL OR WWLWWLWWL will kill your bankroll.

Quote from: RayManZ on May 27, 05:59 AM 2020I you can write an AI and have a database of All Gizmo's plays i bet the AI would be even better.

People are allowing themselves to be programmed. They are tasking from this what they like. I could not be any more pleased. They will make it their own. I like trends and patterns because they are littered all over the place to a skilled observer. And there are times when they swarm in the same sizes or very close to that.  That's a bag of gold just waiting to be picked up.

Quote from: RayManZ on May 27, 05:59 AM 2020I believe he is just doing some sort of precog.

It's not precog. I have very powerful future sight abilities. They are always regarding my future. they come true years in advance. But when I get that same feeling over numbers all I'm doing is seeing a winning structure of a set of numbers.  I see that the 2's, 4's, and 8's in the finales are streaking in domination. So I hit it until it ends. That's just pattern recognition coupled with the 3 & 7 stop points. I just search for a trend or pattern in a state of working. A computer can be hard coded to do that as a function.

Quote from: Mister Eko on May 27, 10:08 AM 2020Unifrtunately you dont know where the winning streak will end, and where will start . Probably the WLWLWLWL OR WWLWWLWWL will kill your bankroll.

I do know when it will end. It ends with the first loss unless it is part of singles on the weak side in which case the single lost bet could still be a part of a continuation of singles on the weak side. When the first sign of the trend or pattern loses then the trend has begun to end. There are times when the trend comes back though, sometimes even stronger and longer too. So you just live with what you get. There is no road map for this. You get good at recognition and then you get good at being agile. I call all that experience.

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 09:58 AM 2020I checked the other forum and in your thread, you stated that you started using this approach 14 years ago.  No where in your thread did you state how much you have won.

In the last 5 years, around how many units you have won and in how many spins?  (not asking for amount of $ but units)

It's just a guess but I'm considering you as one of the people that needs to be taught a lesson after it is too late. I already have from you what I want. Why should I put you out of your misery now? It will be much better later in your life. I win every session. I have been ahead at some point in every session but one in the past 11 years.  I just never left with those winnings until I forced myself to go to the 3 & 7 stop points. Self control is another aspect of winning. It's included in the thread. You can prove this to yourself. You don't need me. But you won't. I'm counting on that. Thanks for your cooperation.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 10:33 AM 2020st never left with those winnings until I forced myself to go to the 3 & 7 stop points

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 10:33 AM 2020
It's just a guess but I'm considering you as one of the people that needs to be taught a lesson after it is too late. I already have from you what I want. Why should I put you out of your misery now? It will be much better later in your life. I win every session. I have been ahead at some point in every session but one in the past 11 years.  I just never left with those winnings until I forced myself to go to the 3 & 7 stop points. Self control is another aspect of winning. It's included in the thread. You can prove this to yourself. You don't need me. But you won't. I'm counting on that. Thanks for your cooperation.

Chapeau... :))))

People will make this their own. They will take it over. I'm counting on it.

Quote from: Steve on May 27, 05:48 AM 2020


But i just haven't seen anything at all to indicate a valid approach. From what i do know, it looks the opposite. But i have an open mind.

You're open mind has a price point I can tell you that much. 

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 10:33 AM 2020
It's just a guess but I'm considering you as one of the people that needs to be taught a lesson after it is too late. I already have from you what I want. Why should I put you out of your misery now? It will be much better later in your life. I win every session. I have been ahead at some point in every session but one in the past 11 years.  I just never left with those winnings until I forced myself to go to the 3 & 7 stop points. Self control is another aspect of winning. It's included in the thread. You can prove this to yourself. You don't need me. But you won't. I'm counting on that. Thanks for your cooperation.

There is a difference between "winning" and "could have won". If you never left with those winnings, it means that you didn't win.
Self-control has nothing to do with winning, because if you have an actual edge, the more that you play, the more that you will win.

The fact that you don't even keep track of units won, and number of spins played - also raises flags about your approach.

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 07:14 AM 2020
Of course they don't have proof - there wasn't a single person who came to this forum to claim to have HG, actually had it. All disappeared, and later revealed to be scammers or bullshitters just trying to sell their junk to addicts.

And if they would have proof - you can bet your ass that it would be sold for a very great price (over $100k at the very least as Steve said).

Try multi-millions bare min as I have researched.  Also, have you read Steve's thread? 

I'm starting to believe this forum is willfully oblivious.

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 12:35 PM 2020
There is a difference between "winning" and "could have won". If you never left with those winnings, it means that you didn't win.
Self-control has nothing to do with winning, because if you have an actual edge, the more that you play, the more that you will win.

The fact that you don't even keep track of units won, and number of spins played - also raises flags about your approach.

As long as the man gets out of the casino with more money than he had when he entered and if he's happy with that... why should he keep track??

Most of you - roulette gurus - pretend that you know everything. Some books, some systems played doesn't make you Einstein's. There are a few people here that really know what they are talking about, but the rest...pfffff!!!

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 27, 12:46 PM 2020
As long as the man gets out of the casino with more money than he had when he entered and if he's happy with that... why should he keep track??

Most of you - roulette gurus - pretend that you know everything. Some books, some systems played doesn't make you Einstein's. There are a few people here that really know what they are talking about, but the rest...pfffff!!!

You are beyond clueless when it comes to Roulette and you are selling a HG in another thread. Do I need to say anything more?

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 12:55 PM 2020
You are beyond clueless when it comes to Roulette and you are selling a HG in another thread. Do I need to say anything more?

It's a free world (depends on where you are from). You're free to say anything you want.

I am happy that this forum got revived a bit :)

You know sh*t about my knowloedges regarding roulette! So... might as well not address to me anymore!

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 12:35 PM 2020There is a difference between "winning" and "could have won". If you never left with those winnings, it means that you didn't win.
Self-control has nothing to do with winning, because if you have an actual edge, the more that you play, the more that you will win.

The fact that you don't even keep track of units won, and number of spins played - also raises flags about your approach.

I have thousands of live play index cards. They all represent placing a bet on every spin, be it minimum or at attacking price. They give multiple nights stay, food comps to the better restaurants, and bonus points that can be used anywhere I want. That comes from playing for at least 4 to 6 hours per day. So you are the unqualified expert on self control now?  I doubt that you even consider it.  Prove that you are the experienced expert on self control. Dazzle us with your brilliance.

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 12:35 PM 2020The fact that you don't even keep track of units won, and number of spins played - also raises flags about your approach.

Let's take a full dump on that comment. All I do is get up when the session is won. I don't keep extraneous reminders of what a grind the day's challenge was, especially for ingrates such as yourself. Ahhh! that felt better. Stinks though. Best to keep you and that pile a bit downwind.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:38 PM 2020
Let's take a full dump on that comment. All I do is get up when the session is won. I don't keep extraneous reminders of what a grind the day's challenge was, especially for ingrates such as yourself. Ahhh! that felt better. Stinks though. Best to keep you and that pile a bit downwind.

The wheel is mostly 5.26% on American soil.

Good luck with any student in the states.  Might as well be psychic.

Quote from: Moxy on May 27, 02:01 PM 2020The wheel is mostly 5.26% on American soil.

Good luck with any student in the states.  Might as well be psychic.

I've got a good idea. Let's make a joke out of you. I'll bet you don't know  that both zeros can go to sleep for more than 100 spins. Your odds go right out the door when the zeros are sleeping. But they don't for you because you are scared of the odds. You are flat out chicken of the odds. If a dozen went to sleep for 30 spins in a row you would miss out on it. I don't have to make a joke out of you. You do a better job of it yourself.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 02:40 PM 2020
I've got a good idea. Let's make a joke out of you. I'll bet you don't know  that both zeros can go to sleep for more than 100 spins. Your odds go right out the door when the zeros are sleeping. But they don't for you because you are scared of the odds. You are flat out chicken of the odds. If a dozen went to sleep for 30 spins in a row you would miss out on it. I don't have to make a joke out of you. You do a better job of it yourself.

Did someone hack into your account?

You're clearly an intelligent bloke but turned rogue here i.e. a defensive 13 year old. 

Quote from: Moxy on May 27, 02:49 PM 2020Did someone hack into your account?

You're clearly an intelligent bloke but turned rogue here i.e. a defensive 13 year old.

Don't feel special. I live in a world where it's against the law to treat the instigator of my rage the way he should be treated. There was a guy at Gambler's Glen  named Snowman that set me off on the mathNazi's. His obnoxious drone made me get short tempered with people that use math like it's some magical gambler's fallacy. He highhandedly destroyed Gambler's Glen.  I decided to treat everyone that tries to pull off their condescending platitudes with irreverent disdain. So colorful pejoratives are just too simple. I prefer fantasies of retribution like on a scale of a benevolent dictator with a torture chamber. Notice the gesture of my greatness here. If you are insulted by me you get to be in the club.  You guys that KNOW you are right don't need to condescend to me. I don't have to approve of it without consequences. It's not OK to use probability as the absolute end all of what reality is. Reading Randomness was disclosed for the full purpose of forcing retribution.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 01:15 AM 2020
I don't try to use a skill that can't exist. Because I can't predict anything I must become aware of a trend that is in a working condition. If I don't see one then I don't place a top priced bet on anything.  I know how to win more working conditions than I lose them. It's really that simple and it clearly makes magical belief in mathematical probability a fallacy. The odds don't tell you when a condition will be working or how long a working condition will last. Yet these same experts of math want you to believe that the odds rule everything.  I don't put money on bet selections that are not working. Sure I lose full priced bets. I just don't lose money on all of those that math says I must lose.

Ok..  Here is one for you Gizmotron2. 

You are saying you not using a skill that doesn't exist. In layman's words you have skills you use.


You can't predict anything, however, it looks like you are missing something.

You are thinking when the trends start and stop.

Ask any programmer who is skillful enough not someone who is home taught. If you can think of it, the computer can do the job for you as long as it's programmed right. The key is a good programmer will bombard you with all sorts of questions and depending on your answer he will write you an error-proof logic.

That's why good programmers ask for complete documentation on the process.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 02:40 PM 2020
I've got a good idea. Let's make a joke out of you. I'll bet you don't know  that both zeros can go to sleep for more than 100 spins. Your odds go right out the door when the zeros are sleeping. But they don't for you because you are scared of the odds. You are flat out chicken of the odds. If a dozen went to sleep for 30 spins in a row you would miss out on it. I don't have to make a joke out of you. You do a better job of it yourself.

I am open minded, but with this post, you have revealed your flawed way of thinking. Moxy is totally right, you are like a child trying to defend yourself against any possible constructive criticism.

Any serious and winning player would do extensive amount of testing and would track their results. One can get "lucky" even for 1000 spins, it is not much. Testing and tracking of your play is done to insure that you have an actual edge and that you are not winning just due to short term variance.

Your super defensive attitude and a lack of basic fundamental understandings of the math are red flags to me.

Quote from: Azim on May 27, 04:29 PM 2020Ask any programmer who is skillful enough not someone who is home taught. If you can think of it, the computer can do the job for you as long as it's programmed right. The key is a good programmer will bombard you with all sorts of questions and depending on your answer he will write you an error-proof logic.

That's why good programmers ask for complete documentation on the process.

This is funny. I know exactly how to program a working sim that proves my method. You build a complete function library of classes and reuse that functionality with object oriented processing, and that is just to avoid hard coding it. You teach the computer new operating skills and then you use that on spins while kicking out telemetry during each process so that your work can be validated by skeptics and experts alike. I've already done it and have given it to the world in the past form of double dozen bets. I flat out know how to teach a computer to do characteristic recognition and use. I don't understand why you are trying to coach me on how this all works.

I wrote this almost 18 years ago:


put binaryDecode(OsFormat,str,halfBlock) into numConverted
    put halfBlock into xR
    put sX[djp] into IVb
    put xR bitXor IVb into xR
    put 1 into ep
    repeat for each element ep in rkoR
      put xL bitXor bfP3[ep] into xL
      put ((xL bitAnd 4278190080) / 16777216)  bitAnd 255 into a
      put ((xL bitAnd 16711680) / 65536) into b
      put ((xL bitAnd 65280) / 256) into c
      put (xL bitAnd 255) into d
      put (((  ((S1[a + 1] + S2[b + 1]) mod 4294967296) bitXor S3[c + 1]  ) + S4[d + 1] ) mod 4294967296) bitXor xR into xR
      put xL into temp
      put xR into xL
      put temp into xR
    end repeat
    put xL into temp
    put xR into xL
    put temp into xR
    put xR bitXor bfP3[17] into xR
    put xL bitXor bfP3[18] into xL
    put (((xL bitAnd 4278190080 ) / 16777216) bitAnd 255) & ", " after cipherText
    put ((xL bitAnd 16711680) / 65536 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put (( xL bitAnd 65280 ) / 256 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put ( xL bitAnd 255 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put (((xR bitAnd 4278190080 ) / 16777216) bitAnd 255) & ", " after cipherText
    put ((xR bitAnd 16711680) / 65536 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put (( xR bitAnd 65280 ) / 256 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put ( xR bitAnd 255 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put ix + 8 into ix
    put ic + 8 into ic
  end repeat
  return cipherText
end encryptBF


It's part of a 32 bit block cipher.

I spent several days programming an AI version of just a few characteristics, singles and sleepers for double dozen bet selection. I added that to my double dozen charting and practice software. You can download it and try it out.  It looked for sleepers or singles and used a progression to play for the trends. It kicks out telemetry for each spin.  I did it to prove that I could program it. I did not program it to prove that RR works. I did it to let students see how I consider bet selections. I was tired of answering endless questions. It worked too. They could learn from the sim.

Quote from: winforus on May 27, 04:59 PM 2020Your super defensive attitude and a lack of basic fundamental understandings of the math are red flags to me.

You need to see me as this and you hope that others will support your conclusions. But you are depending on your conclusion as being right. Only that is not scientific. You are going after me and not my method. That is a form of control. This recruitment and control method was placed into you from an education system or by your family upbringing. It's OK and even approved of by those that wrecked you. It's done all day long. You are superior and I am not. Therefore you are going to set me straight. Only I see you as some group think malignant narcissistic control freak. I'm just insulting mathBoyz and mathNazi's. There is no adolescent tossing going on here.  I love it when I hook someone from the side and they get on their high horse as savior and caregiver. It's really such a common minded task.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 04:20 PM 2020
Don't feel special. I live in a world where it's against the law to treat the instigator of my rage the way he should be treated. There was a guy at Gambler's Glen  named Snowman that set me off on the mathNazi's. His obnoxious drone made me get short tempered with people that use math like it's some magical gambler's fallacy. He highhandedly destroyed Gambler's Glen.  I decided to treat everyone that tries to pull off their condescending platitudes with irreverent disdain. So colorful pejoratives are just too simple. I prefer fantasies of retribution like on a scale of a benevolent dictator with a torture chamber. Notice the gesture of my greatness here. If you are insulted by me you get to be in the club.  You guys that KNOW you are right don't need to condescend to me. I don't have to approve of it without consequences. It's not OK to use probability as the absolute end all of what reality is. Reading Randomness was disclosed for the full purpose of forcing retribution.

I'm on your side here, chief.  Overcoming 5.26% regardless of level of knack seems a tad off kilter.  Am I over-stepping?

Quote from: Moxy on May 27, 06:07 PM 2020I'm on your side here, chief.  Overcoming 5.26% regardless of level of knack seems a tad off kilter.  Am I over-stepping?

There are no odds against you to concern yourself. Odds can't tell you when a trend will be in a working state. It can't tell you how long a trend will be in a working condition. It can't tell you when a working trend will end. Odds are useless. They don't predict anything except some imaginary and unconditional large number conclusions. To apply that to what is currently happening is a fallacy at best. Let those that cling to their mathematical expectations keep their magical beliefs. Just because someone tells them that you must lose, even if you lose an unfunded bet selection, they then try to move the goal posts. They are dependent on the magical belief of probability. I'm just trying to wake people up.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 05:41 PM 2020
You need to see me as this and you hope that others will support your conclusions. But you are depending on your conclusion as being right. Only that is not scientific. You are going after me and not my method. That is a form of control. This recruitment and control method was placed into you from an education system or by your family upbringing. It's OK and even approved of by those that wrecked you. It's done all day long. You are superior and I am not. Therefore you are going to set me straight. Only I see you as some group think malignant narcissistic control freak. I'm just insulting mathBoyz and mathNazi's. There is no adolescent tossing going on here.  I love it when I hook someone from the side and they get on their high horse as savior and caregiver. It's really such a common minded task.

Exactly how good are your programming skills?

Quote from: Moxy on May 27, 06:53 PM 2020Exactly how good are your programming skills?

When the internet first got going there was MTML 3.0. Then they started working on 4.0. It was 1999 when they started talking to developers about XML. I took one look at that and set out to reinvent the internet. It took until 2008 but I developed an new human markup language. I created the browsers, cross platform, for Mac and Windows that could download a new kind of internet document. It was like an interactive PDF file in that you could work on the file once you downloaded it. This could be done off line too. You could use it like an entire website with hundreds or even thousands of pages, including all the pictures. These files would then work off line. You could alter the file that you downloaded. You could personalize it for rapid searches. It could work like a data base, a medical library, a law library. It could be used to deliver a complete published daily newspaper. It could be a sales catalog for all your products. It could be documents presented to students from a school. It was powerful. You could append additional pages to it that users could download to the original growing file. You could anchor fragments within it for gathering topical data. It would create automatic indexing and text gathering thru the use of its unique human markup structuring.  It allowed user groups to create their own construct definitions for unique interest groups. People could put up multi paged fragments of a greater group's interests. All this would allow a file to be used as a hub to link to other contributor's parts of any subject desired by an interest group. It was a break with the well formed requirements of SGML, XML, and HTML. It was called MTML, Meaningful Text Markup Language. I delivered it with many innovative and original capabilities. Nobody was interested in it. I created a new version of the Blowfish  Encryption algorithm that utilized the Mod function in the process of delivering a very unique Cipher Block Chaining capacity. I've written hundreds of test stand sims for gamblers all over the world in order to test their ideas. I did that all just out of curiosity and to learn. I'm an expert on the results of progressions and large number testing. All my test sims included telemetry so that discussion on the forums would be validated and clear in meaning and understanding. I'm pretty sure that if you suggest it there are those of us that have already exhausted it in research.  We even set out to solve Turbo's hot number repeaters. And last but not least I developed the latest version of Reading Randomness 1.4 practicing sim with graphs so that anyone can practice and learn the skill, all free of charge.  With regards to testing systems I always build from scratch and it runs as a free standing executable compiled in the C, and C+ language. I try to include telemetry so that it can be shared online.

Here, see it for yourself:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz0f7nV9GdE

Hi Giz please forgive me for messing with your Method.
Reading Randomness idea:

Comparing 3 Wins against 7 Losses with 2 Wins against 5 Losses

18 x 5 = 90
W3 x 90 = W270
L7   x 90 = L630   630/270 = 2.33

18 x 7 = 126
W2 x 126 = W252
L5   x 126 =  L630   630/252 = 2.5

I find it much easier getting the 2nd Win than the 3rd Win.
Also the amount Won is almost the same.

Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 27, 09:29 PM 2020
Hi Giz please forgive me for messing with your Method.
Reading Randomness idea:

Comparing 3 Wins against 7 Losses with 2 Wins against 5 Losses

18 x 5 = 90
W3 x 90 = W270
L7   x 90 = L630   630/270 = 2.33

18 x 7 = 126
W2 x 126 = W252
L5   x 126 =  L630   630/252 = 2.5

I find it much easier getting the 2nd Win than the 3rd Win.
Also the amount Won is almost the same.

Nice work. People are getting  4.66 wins at 270 each for each loss at 630. 4.66 times 270 = 1,260. In fact some of them are doing better than that in long run testing. It takes time. Experience comes slowly. A person begins to get out of sessions that are difficult without going all the way bust at 7 net losses. The same goes for not reaching all the way to three net wins. Randomness never cooperates the way that you would like it to all the time.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 05:29 PM 2020
This is funny. I know exactly how to program a working sim that proves my method. You build a complete function library of classes and reuse that functionality with object oriented processing, and that is just to avoid hard coding it. You teach the computer new operating skills and then you use that on spins while kicking out telemetry during each process so that your work can be validated by skeptics and experts alike. I've already done it and have given it to the world in the past form of double dozen bets. I flat out know how to teach a computer to do characteristic recognition and use. I don't understand why you are trying to coach me on how this all works.

I wrote this almost 18 years ago:

Code Select Expand


put binaryDecode(OsFormat,str,halfBlock) into numConverted
    put halfBlock into xR
    put sX[djp] into IVb
    put xR bitXor IVb into xR
    put 1 into ep
    repeat for each element ep in rkoR
      put xL bitXor bfP3[ep] into xL
      put ((xL bitAnd 4278190080) / 16777216)  bitAnd 255 into a
      put ((xL bitAnd 16711680) / 65536) into b
      put ((xL bitAnd 65280) / 256) into c
      put (xL bitAnd 255) into d
      put (((  ((S1[a + 1] + S2[b + 1]) mod 4294967296) bitXor S3[c + 1]  ) + S4[d + 1] ) mod 4294967296) bitXor xR into xR
      put xL into temp
      put xR into xL
      put temp into xR
    end repeat
    put xL into temp
    put xR into xL
    put temp into xR
    put xR bitXor bfP3[17] into xR
    put xL bitXor bfP3[18] into xL
    put (((xL bitAnd 4278190080 ) / 16777216) bitAnd 255) & ", " after cipherText
    put ((xL bitAnd 16711680) / 65536 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put (( xL bitAnd 65280 ) / 256 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put ( xL bitAnd 255 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put (((xR bitAnd 4278190080 ) / 16777216) bitAnd 255) & ", " after cipherText
    put ((xR bitAnd 16711680) / 65536 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put (( xR bitAnd 65280 ) / 256 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put ( xR bitAnd 255 ) & ", " after cipherText
    put ix + 8 into ix
    put ic + 8 into ic
  end repeat
  return cipherText
end encryptBF


It's part of a 32 bit block cipher.

I spent several days programming an AI version of just a few characteristics, singles and sleepers for double dozen bet selection. I added that to my double dozen charting and practice software. You can download it and try it out.  It looked for sleepers or singles and used a progression to play for the trends. It kicks out telemetry for each spin.  I did it to prove that I could program it. I did not program it to prove that RR works. I did it to let students see how I consider bet selections. I was tired of answering endless questions. It worked too. They could learn from the sim.

You can ask any new programmer to write classes, inherit them, use polymorphism, doesn't mean I am a skillful programmer just tells me you know your stuff.

As I said, a good programmer would bombard you with the right questions.   

Not saying and will never say I am a good programmer, however, having said that I have the skills to write GUT. That hasn't been accomplished on this forum by anyone else to my knowledge.

The GUT is the same thing you make decisions based on the current trot, I have stressed enough to everyone to go practice, practice.

I read a few pages of the explanation on Gamblers forum, after finding out Steve is running that one too. I registered and downloaded your tool.

What I don't understand and if you say you are smart, why bet 5 units on low 18 numbers each and not just put  90 on low. You will make the same? However, some casinos used to give 1/2 back if 0 hits. Not sure if they still do it.

By the way, I entered the "007software" as the answer to the question the spin and run button vanished. I just gave up on it.

Anyways, good luck.

Quote from: Azim on May 27, 11:08 PM 2020By the way, I entered the "007software" as the answer to the question the spin and run button vanished. I just gave up on it.

It's with a question mark. You missed that one I guess. Try 007 software? There is a space between 007 and software? too.

Quote from: Azim on May 27, 11:08 PM 2020What I don't understand and if you say you are smart, why bet 5 units on low 18 numbers each and not just put  90 on low. You will make the same? However, some casinos used to give 1/2 back if 0 hits. Not sure if they still do it.

I did it this way so that you can use combo bets. You are smart so you will figure out how I included that. But if you give up you will figure out how smart you are the hard way.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 11:15 PM 2020

We'd make a great team...  In another circumstance.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 27, 11:15 PM 2020
I did it this way so that you can use combo bets. You are smart so you will figure out how I included that. But if you give up you will figure out how smart you are the hard way.

Ok. Thank you for the password, it worked.

I am going to act dumb and ask you this If I click the red button all red numbers are showing up in the bottom grid or list or text or whatever the control is.
.
If I click black, all black numbers show up.

What does even and odds do?

I will make it easy and answer you with this,

Click red button-> red numbers show up awesome.

Click the black button ->  red numbers disappear.

Click black button -> black numbers appear.

Click the odd button you only get black odd.  This is one bug I can think off....

Any good programmer would never do that...  The next problem, the list can be modified.  Again a good programmer would never do that.

Which leads me to ask you again before I give up->  what makes you think your application has the right logic?

unless i have the wrong version

Quote from: Azim on May 27, 11:57 PM 2020If I click black, all black numbers show up.

What does even and odds do?

I called this combo bets. With all this interest in 4 or 5 numbers I would think that triggering a combo bet just might impress them.  If you click on red you get all the red numbers. If you then click on Odd it will strip out all the  Even numbers from that list of Red numbers. If you click on Low it will strip out all the High numbers that are still left from that list of remaining Red / Odd numbers. There are 5 Red / Odd / Low numbers.

I look for a streak of singles, doubles, triples, or a pattern in each one of these table sets and their groupings. If a run on Reds is occurring and singles are in domination in the Odd / Evens, and the High numbers are sleeping then all I need are these three combo numbers. I suppose a very nice progression could be made for connecting  combo bets, be it just two set or three set types, to get a targeting effect for right now guesses. It will be 4 or 5 numbers for the three sets and 9 numbers for the two set combo bets.  Now you know how that works.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 12:24 AM 2020Any good programmer would never do that...  The next problem, the list can be modified.  Again a good programmer would never do that.

You are such an expert on what aught to be. Don't get your panties all in a twist. This is my command post. I decide what is what.  And your quest to out do me as a programmer is such sophistry. You are just exposing yourself as you keep going. Sure there are bugs. I can't fix them. So fuk off and die.

There is are better ways to strip out numbers and present them. I

I can't read your mind and as far as I remember reading a few pages there was no mention of that.

I can read and know what you thinking.  So again, can you actually, write what your own program does when you do what?

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 12:24 AM 2020Which leads me to ask you again before I give up->  what makes you think your application has the right logic?

unless i have the wrong version

Only version 1.4 & 1.5 open with that key. I suggest you use 1.4 with graphs. I suggest that to everyone. As far as logic goes that depends on the space between your ears. And I don't give independent tutoring so you can read the thread or not. You can quit or not. I could care less if I try really hard.

Again.  I didn't ask you for tutoring..  I ask if you can document your own application. Looks like your answer is NO!!!!!!

I am not going to waste time to prove you right. However, that would be your call. space between ears you have that too. But your space didn't understand what I was asking.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 12:36 AM 2020So again, can you actually, write what your own program does when you do what?

There is a thread there, even with pictures how to use the software. Find it. I think it's somewhere in the Roulette section, not the software section. There are videos to see it being done too. I wrote this software for one person over a two month period and lost the source code for it when the free upgrade for open source stripped all my software built with it over the past ten years. I did a computer rebuild and recovered years of work but lost this active version. Funny, open source that kills everything you made during a free user period. So I went back to my unlimited version and don't bother being screwed by the software developer company. I don't program for a living so I don't live or die by impressing people for a living.  I'm glad it is so important to you. You never know who might be laughing at you behind your back.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 12:41 AM 2020
Again.  I didn't ask you for tutoring..  I ask if you can document your own application. Looks like your answer is NO!!!!!!

I am not going to waste time to prove you right. However, that would be your call. space between ears you have that too. But your space didn't understand what I was asking.

I think you might have COVID-19. Your temperature is definitely sky rocketing. I don't give instructions on any of this. You were such a joy to talk with that I went out of my way to try to assist you. But you are some demanding jackass. So you can figure it all out at the charity of others here perhaps. I'm done with you.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 12:45 AM 2020
There is a thread there, even with pictures how to use the software. Find it. I think it's somewhere in the Roulette section, not the software section. There are videos to see it being done too. I wrote this software for one person over a two month period and lost the source code for it when the free upgrade for open source stripped all my software built with it over the past ten years. I did a computer rebuild and recovered years of work but lost this active version. Funny, open source that kills everything you made during a free user period. So I went back to my unlimited version and don't bother being screwed by the software developer company. I don't program for a living so I don't live or die by impressing people for a living.  I'm glad it is so important to you. You never know who might be laughing at you behind your back.

All I have to say is as much as I know, what Steve is trying to do to the newcomers is awesome. I for one, appreciate that.

We had someone just like you arguing and arguing. Bottom line..  He would change his logic everytime we proved him wrong.

Looks like you scared to be proven wrong.

Here is an image of what you have between your ears...

Go read this and come back and tell me I was right with what you have between your ears...


link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16641.0

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 12:50 AM 2020
I think you might have COVID-19. Your temperature is definitely sky rocketing. I don't give instructions on any of this. You were such a joy to talk with that I went out of my way to try to assist you. But you are some demanding jackass. So you can figure it all out at the charity of others here perhaps. I'm done with you.

I am not Steve,  who will argue.  I like to put my money where my mouth is.  I will prove it that your application has a bug..  However, I can't waste time... Seems like you have answers for everything that your application is doing wrong.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 12:58 AM 2020Seems like you have answers for everything.

Like the link for the instructions:
:.gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading-randomness-practice-software-1-4g-with-graph.15233/ 

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 01:00 AM 2020
Like the link for the instructions:
:.gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading-randomness-practice-software-1-4g-with-graph.15233/

I don't want to read.. I want to prove that your application is a piece of S H I T

Which will answer questions everyone else has.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 12:58 AM 2020I will prove it that your application has a bug.. 

good for you. It's just a charting program. Some of the number sets are wrong for the single zero option. I beat you to it Barney Fife.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 01:03 AM 2020
good for you. It's just a charting program. Some of the number sets are wrong for the single zero option. I beat you to it Barney Fife.

Thank you very much.  You just proved your application is a piece of S H |I T.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 01:01 AM 2020I don't want to read.. I want to prove that your application is a piece of S H I T

Which will answer questions everyone else has.

You should know. You are the biggest piece on the forum.

That application is meant to teach a skill and has no AI function. You must select all on your own and the telemetry will show what a jerk you are. I'm really glad we have met like this. It's nice to get to know someone that is as lost and misdirected as you. You must be in charge of something or someone. Bad for them though. Yikes.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 01:05 AM 2020Thank you very much.  You just proved your application is a piece of S H |I T.

Actually it was designed to discover personality disorders and ferret out people with S H |I T between their ears. You are the most devastated discovered so far.

Quote from: Azim on May 22, 01:03 PM 2020
Hector,

You will not be able to play with someone else Account.
I have tried that and the casino will freeze the player's Account.

See the above quote.

I am not sure if Steve remembers this or not. I had told him I will be registering different accounts. I wanted to use his MPR and connect with 4 different accounts around the world  and have a bot wake the other 3 machines to place bets on a live table to make it look like the person just got lucky with a few spins and left the software.

Like I said, I put my money where my mouth is.

I can assure you no one will ever have a chance to say I scammed them. Cause the process is very very full proof.

I replace the money if something goes wrong.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 01:09 AM 2020
Actually it was designed to discover personality disorders and ferret out people with S H |I T between their ears. You are the most devastated discovered so far.

Go read the above reply and say who has a problem between their ears.....

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 01:11 AM 2020See the above quote.

I am not sure if Steve remembers this or not. I had told him I will be registering different accounts. I wanted to use his MPR and connect with 4 different accounts around the world  and have a bot wake the other 3 machines to place bets on a live table to make it look like the person just got lucky with a few spins and left the software.

Like I said, I put my money where my mouth is.

I can assure you no one will ever have a chance to say I scammed them. Cause the process is very very full proof.

I replace the money if something goes wrong.

Wow! you are so wonderful.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 01:18 AM 2020
Wow! you are so wonderful.

No I am not wonderful..  I am sure no one has ever thought of that. As I said,  I like to put my money where my mouth is...  Steve likes to Argue, I like to prove the person wrong.

 

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 01:23 AM 2020No I am not wonderful..  I am sure no one has ever thought of that. As I said,  I like to put my money where my mouth is...  Steve likes to Argue, I like to prove the person wrong.

Go ahead and prove it. This will be fun to watch.

Start with singles on the weak side. First you have to prove that they don't exist.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 01:25 AM 2020
Go ahead and prove it. This will be fun to watch.

Start with singles on the weak side. First you have to prove that they don't exist.

Again, you tell me to go prove something that's not there between your ears..  Unless you give it to me in writing what your application has to do, I can't prove you wrong, you will change and have answers for everything.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 01:30 AM 2020Again, you tell me to go prove something that's not there between your ears..  Unless you give it to me in writing what your application has to do, I can't prove you wrong, you will change and have answers for everything.

What? It's all thee in writing. The software is there to learn by. The explanations on character recognition are all there. The effectiveness states are all explained there. It's all written down. I can't make you read it but I can flush you down the toilet for being a troll.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 01:34 AM 2020
What? It's all thee in writing. The software is there to learn by. The explanations on character recognition are all there. The effectiveness states are all explained there. It's all written down. I can't make you read it but I can flush you down the toilet for being a troll.

Let me be put something between your ears..  Its easier to read 4 pages and understand what someone is trying to say instead of reading 120 pages with all the arguments.  You are a troll looking for attention. You call yourself a programmer who can't even program a basic function.

No wonder no one wanted to pay you to learn so you decided to give it out free to get attention.


Sorry Steve. I am done with him. He is either looking for attention or has other agenda. No more talking to you unless you can document it.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 01:38 AM 2020
Let me be put something between your ears..  Its easier to read 4 pages and understand what someone is trying to say instead of reading 120 pages with all the arguments.  You are a troll looking for attention. You call yourself a programmer who can't even program a basic function.

No wonder no one wanted to pay you to learn so you decided to give it out free to get attention.


Sorry Steve. I am done with him. He is either looking for attention or has other agenda. No more talking to you unless you can document it.

So... You have not read anything? That explains all the ranting...

I'm positive you're a better programmer than Gizmo. If you understood what he is doing and teaching i bet you could make an Bot/AI that would do the betting for you.

It's very simple. You want to win at roulette? Read what he is teaching. Don't want to win or are you already winning? Move on.

You want to comment and rant but you don't even know what Gizmo is trying to do and teach. Read first. Come back ranting after.

Also: GUT and Gizmo are doing the same things but just slighty different. Funny how all the winning things come back to the same thing isn't it.

Quote from: RayManZ on May 28, 02:25 AM 2020
So... You have not read anything? That explains all the ranting...

I'm positive you're a better programmer than Gizmo. If you understood what he is doing and teaching i bet you could make an Bot/AI that would do the betting for you.

It's very simple. You want to win at roulette? Read what he is teaching. Don't want to win or are you already winning? Move on.

You want to comment and rant but you don't even know what Gizmo is trying to do and teach. Read first. Come back ranting after.

Also: GUT and Gizmo are doing the same things but just slighty different. Funny how all the winning things come back to the same thing isn't it.

It makes me wonder if you have  2 I'd. you sound just like him.

Read again what I have said. I don't want to win. I want to prove his software has problems.
Please tell me where is it I have said I want to win?

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 02:34 AM 2020
It makes me wonder if you have  2 I'd. you sound just like him.

Read again what I have said. I don't want to win. I want to prove his software has problems.
Please tell me where is it I have said I want to win?

Ok, but why? His software is really simple and nothing fancy at all. It's just an offline tool to teach you how his method works. Have you played with it? If so, you would know there are bugs in it. That doesn't matter because it's just a tool to practice.

I don't understand your goal. Maybe you're just an other type if person than me. You just want to see the world burn. Or is it just hate against Gizmo?

Quote from: RayManZ on May 28, 02:25 AM 2020I'm positive you're a better programmer than Gizmo. If you understood what he is doing and teaching i bet you could make an Bot/AI that would do the betting for you.

Wow Azim, so I'm not a real programmer because programming was just a hobby for me. All that work I did building sims for others for free was just so much crap. Actually I was a craftsman and a building developer. I was also a top level extreme skiing instructor. I've been a rock climbing instructor for teenage youth for more than 40 years. I guess I'm just a rank gambler that doesn't even come close to shining your shoes. So where is your AI sim for bet selections? Are you Steve's pit yorkie? Is that your hobby? As a fellow human being you rank very low as for character development. Are you proud of that? You have said enough to never walk back your impression of yourself.

Quote from: RayManZ on May 28, 02:40 AM 2020I don't understand your goal. Maybe you're just an other type if person than me. You just want to see the world burn. Or is it just hate against Gizmo?

He's a math oriented "true believer" with an ax to grind. He's going to protect the diverse world of statistical inference and absolutism. He is the reason that it went from mathBoyz to mathNazi's. I used this forum to bring out his finest quality. He's the very definition of "Spandex Boy." He has his shiny jump suit and a cape.  He is so hooked, (triggered) that he can't let go. You get these personality types on forums. He's here to save you.

Quote from: Azim on May 28, 01:38 AM 2020You call yourself a programmer who can't even program a basic function.



On mouseUp
  put fukAzimInTheButt  creamyThis into calledForRemark
  answer calledForRemark
End MouseUp

function fukAzimInTheButt jerkSpotHere stupidFuk
  put bendOverAndTakeIt idiotJuice into zapCheeks
  put (zapCheeks * 100) into zapCheeksMore
  return zapCheeksMore
end fukAzimInTheButt



There is a basic function in X-Talk.
   

Giz, I am sorry if I was wrong about you before. I don't know if you are telling the truth or not. No one should judge you before genuinely trying to learn and apply your method to randomness. I just couldn't get over the math. I mean why would there not be the same probability of the opposite happening no matter where you bet? I know this logic could be flawed. Also, the opposite logic could be flawed: following trends and patterns could give you an edge. If you have truly won like you said you have over the years, then obviously you have a winning method.

If you are genuine, Azim is clearly in the wrong. Who cares if there are a few bugs in the software; you are getting a holy grail for free for crying out loud!?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 08:46 AM 2020
He's a math oriented "true believer" with an ax to grind. He's going to protect the diverse world of statistical inference and absolutism. He is the reason that it went from mathBoyz to mathNazi's. I used this forum to bring out his finest quality. He's the very definition of "Spandex Boy." He has his shiny jump suit and a cape.  He is so hooked, (triggered) that he can't let go. You get these personality types on forums. He's here to save you.

I dont think he is a mathnazi. Why? Because he is into GUT. A method from Winkel. Also hated by mathnazi.

It's funny how some people hate so much on eachother without even knowing what the other person does.

Quote from: RayManZ on May 28, 09:29 AM 2020I dont think he is a mathnazi. Why? Because he is into GUT. A method from Winkel. Also hated by mathnazi.

It's funny how some people hate so much on eachother without even knowing what the other person does.

I remember when GUT first came out. I tried to suggest the Effectiveness States to  Winkel and he rejected it. So I left that discussion without putting it or anyone down. I had explained the Effectiveness States on Gambler's Glen many many years before that. Without that layer of ES you can't make trends or patterns work. John Patrick tried to say trends work but he never turned it into a science or skill set. He never did an extensive description of trend and pattern characteristics. I never bothered to research GUT because it lacked primary qualities needed in order for it to work. The same goes for Kimo Li and when he moved up to his secret trends philosophy. He started with magical sectors to sell his first book. My favorite of all time was telling his readers that the wheel was doing a Himi. It was just giving unique names to useless coincidences. Years later he started down the road of coincidental randomness. It's all there. I don't know, was there secret knowledge kept back at a price for GUT? I charged two people to learn this latest version of RR. I did it to get a motivated student. That student logged on and did practice for two hours every day for two whole months. That student went from below 2.33 to 1 to 4.66 to 1 for an aggregate 2 to 1 win to loss ratio where 1 to 1 would be an achievement.  I then waited at least a year for him to use it. Then I was convinced that showing everything and holding back nothing would be OK in the gambling world. So I shared it all openly and provided the software to support it also. It's out there for free. There are no secret upper layers to pay for. All it takes is perseverance and a lot of practice. And this clown wants tp save the world from what he thinks is fake information. Geez.

Quote from: swanson on May 28, 09:21 AM 2020Who cares if there are a few bugs in the software; you are getting a holy grail for free for crying out loud!?

It's only an HG if enough people take the time it takes to gain the skill. That skill requires a person to act with pragmatic agility formed from practical experience. The software is provided in order to learn and gain experience without getting killed off at a live or online casino. And I say clearly that nobody should use this until they have hundreds of hours or more of real practice.

You can't know the nature of randomness and rapid changes until you expose yourself to it.  So It's in my signature at the place where it is all explained: "My edge is a large enough number of people doing this and producing win to loss results that are demonstrably beyond the possibility of inaccuracy."  My goal is to shut down the mathBoyz. There are experts at this now. I went public with all this in July last year.

Quote from: swanson on May 28, 09:21 AM 2020I mean why would there not be the same probability of the opposite happening no matter where you bet?

There is the same probability, in fact it is more likely to lose on each spin with an EC bet. That part of the math is always correct in the long run. But if it happened every time you would know exactly where to bet in order to win. That same math has no control over the amount that you bet. I bet nothing in my practice software, a virtual bet, or I bet the monetized value bet when I think I have identified an opportunity. The math is always right in the long run. I will lose the required amount of bets in the long run of a session. I just won't lose the swarms of funded bets that it takes to give the full data set for consideration of the win to loss ratio that confirms mathematical expectation.  You can lose an unfunded bet and it will not decrease your bankroll. So it becomes a skill of having good timing. At first they tried to tell everyone that you can't know when you are in a win streak. But I reminded them that for some crazy reason all the pit bosses could tell when you were in a win streak.

So it just goes on like that. First it's one thing that is supposed to be the death-nail for RR and then another. Right now it's I suck at programming.  The world is a very funny place. FYI all that crap goes far away and does not even exist when you are up on a big wall in Yosemite. The concerns of ego and hurt feelings are irrelevant when you go to the extremes. I cut my teeth on the execution of skills. Doing things with real life and death consequences adds to your character development. I don't get rattled when changes occur to randomness during a gambling session. I can't teach that. But I did give the world a chance to see this. It's my first ascent in statistical logic. I'm just using peer reviewed large numbers to run my validation experiment. The math wizards can explain it all after the fact. A person should know what is important enough to waste their brain cells on. I knew I would never solve a fantastic new idea in mathematics. So I just set out to program people instead.  It's working too. Einstein came up with the math first but it took astronomers to prove that space is curved around a gravity well. I came up with RR first and the math to explain it all will come later.  This crap about the casino always winning because of the "House's Edge" is in fact a lie used so that you will give yourself permission to lose. I have already demonstrated that that belief is in fact a fallacy. If you recall the discussion on corporate yearly earnings reports you will know what I mean. It's all crumbling before your eyes. Old axioms and beliefs are coming into question and will not withstand further scrutiny. It's always that way. People don't question beliefs until they come under investigation. RR will force that investigation.

Giz, do you worry at all about charting the results at a roulette table or do you learn to use your method without having to chart/write down and analyze results with pen and paper at the table? I think I would be worried about doing this because you would look like a professional player, and the casinos might ban you. Should I worry about this? Maybe I shouldn't since everyone thinks you can't beat roulette using such methods anyway. I don't even know if the casinos would ban a professional roulette player that isn't using an electronic device or cheating in some way. Would they?

Also, do you travel from casino to casino to avoid being banned by winning at the same casino? Do you put limits on your wins to avoid being ID'd or banned?

Quote from: swanson on May 28, 11:50 AM 2020Giz, do you worry at all about charting the results at a roulette table or do you learn to use your method without having to chart/write down and analyze results with pen and paper at the table? I think I would be worried about doing this because you would look like a professional player, and the casinos might ban you. Should I worry about this? Maybe I shouldn't since everyone thinks you can't beat roulette using such methods anyway. I don't even know if the casinos would ban a professional roulette player that isn't using an electronic device or cheating in some way. Would they?

Also, do you travel from casino to casino to avoid being banned by winning at the same casino? Do you put limits on your wins to avoid being ID'd or banned?

Good questions. The casinos believe their own mystique regarding the mathematical edge.  So any time they see anyone charting past spins they think that person is a sucker. You need to be sheared like a sheep just for walking in the door. So they actually try to make it as painless as possible. So I do move around and only try to hit that same casino once or at most twice a month. To them it is just luck. I use to see this same player come into the same casino and just take a few wins and leave every day. The dealer actually said to him are you here to win your lunch again. They knew each other and the guy would leave real quick each day. It looked like he always won too. He just knew how to gamble and leave while he was ahead. Anyway, it was Lake Tahoe outside.

Some casinos don't allow you to put the index cards on the table so I learned to fill them out in my hand. I expect to play from 50 to 150 spins per session. So all my index cards are all pre-formatted. All I do is make minimum bets, chart my guesses and mark the cards as virtual until I attack the opportunities. With only 3 net wins at question I'm gone many times before they know I sheared them. You can bet up to $5 for each number bet on and they won't even care at all. That is small potatoes. $270 per day and the rest of the day off is good for a retirement income for an RVer.  And then there are comps on the side too.  It all comes down to knowing what enough is enough is all about. Three net wins at $1 chips times 18 numbers comes to $54 per session.  The casinos don't care if you take small change off of them. They believe that you are just good at exploiting luck and that you get up when you are ahead a lot.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 12:15 PM 2020
Good questions. The casinos believe their own mystique regarding the mathematical edge.  So any time they see anyone charting past spins they think that person is a sucker. You need to be sheared like a sheep just for walking in the door. So they actually try to make it as painless as possible. So I do move around and only try to hit that same casino once or at most twice a month. To them it is just luck. I use to see this same player come into the same casino and just take a few wins and leave every day. The dealer actually said to him are you here to win your lunch again. They knew each other and the guy would leave real quick each day. It looked like he always won too. He just knew how to gamble and leave while he was ahead. Anyway, it was Lake Tahoe outside.

Some casinos don't allow you to put the index cards on the table so I learned to fill them out in my hand. I expect to play from 50 to 150 spins per session. So all my index cards are all pre-formatted. All I do is make minimum bets, chart my guesses and mark the cards as virtual until I attack the opportunities. With only 3 net wins at question I'm gone many times before they know I sheared them. You can bet up to $5 for each number bet on and they won't even care at all. That is small potatoes. $270 per day and the rest of the day off is good for a retirement income for an RVer.  And then there are comps on the side too.  It all comes down to knowing what enough is enough is all about. Three net wins at $1 chips times 18 numbers comes to $54 per session.  The casinos don't care if you take small change off of them. They believe that you are just good at exploiting luck and that you get up when you are ahead a lot.

Following the trend is an age old go-to.  Majority will always be chasing tails.  A select few may not even know how accurate they are.  But the variables are infinite that you will never be able to code it.  It's never completely mechanical.  It's for sure always dynamic (guessing).

A tad too much verbiage for my taste.   It is a prediction.  Make no mistake. Depends how accurate that prediction is.  For near almost everyone that accuracy is 50/50.  For a select few, it's better, believe it or not.  You can chalk it up to precognition, intuition, luck, skill, etc.  Not everyone is the same.

I like a challenge of just chasing trends - no more, no less.  The perfect qualifier.  I'll be acting as the control.  You are the test subject.  What say you?

Quote from: Moxy on May 28, 01:10 PM 2020Following the trend is an age old go-to.  Majority will always be chasing tails.  A select few may not even know how accurate they are.  But the variables are infinite that you will never be able to code it.  It's never completely mechanical.  It's for sure always dynamic (guessing).

A tad too much verbiage for my taste.   It is a prediction.  Make no mistake. Depends how accurate that prediction is.  For near almost everyone that accuracy is 50/50.  For a select few, it's better, believe it or not.  You can chalk it up to precognition, intuition, luck, skill, etc.  Not everyone is the same.

I like a challenge of just chasing trends - no more, no less.  The perfect qualifier.  I'll be acting as the control.  You are the test subject.  What say you?

I already did randomness characteristic recognition with a computer. You just make the computer do what your brain does so easily. I tell the computer to see singles on the weak side. There is no written source code for that like telling the computer to highlight text with a mouse drag. You can do it real easy with string wrangling functions and commands. You put the results into a string like "xxx0xxxxx0x0xx0xxxx0x0x0xxx0" You then use a replace function that places a space between every "x0". After that you use a replace function to place a space between every "0x". so then you have "xxx 0 xxxxx 0 x 0 xx 0 xxxx 0 x 0 x 0 xxx 0" Now the computer can see singles numerically once each word is checked for size. Looking at words is a string function too. So you make that capability into a single command that accepts variables so that the search for singles and a weak and strong side can be for anything that you want to check with it. You can tell the computer how far to look back with another command. Then the string that you send to the function will respond to the distance of spins looked back. You then can use other commands to determine the quality of that condition and send back a percentage value of 0% to 100%. After that you can create conditional execution commands that do different things if the percentage is in a favorable range or not. The software can be set by the user when to bet and when not to based on the current, past, or very long term percentage rates. And all that can go into a different data structure to be used to search for the global effect. I know this because that is how I did it.  You make the computer store data about the single characteristic. It uses it to carry out specific tasks. So you can use these conditional awareness techniques to gather data on all the groups/sets that you want the computer to watch.  It's easy to think it out of how to program it. It's a huge pain to write every characteristic and condition. I wrote singles and sleepers with percentage of quality and the search for the global effect in that AI version. It also executed steps of a progression and virtual bets too. It then kicked out telemetry for every bet selection, the group that presented the best condition, the amount bet on that spin, and the result of that bet.

So I have no problem writing a full blown AI sim that demonstrates Reading Randomness.  I did an equally fine job of programming people. They are better computers. They learn things and then they come up with expanded ideas beyond basic function. It's not prediction. It's actions taken from the collection of conditional awareness. It's based on the percentage rate of the current state of it working in the positive.  It's very complex but it is also extremely mechanical.  It's so mechanical that it requires a lot of education. It's like becoming a lead guitarist. You can't expect to be good at it in a few lessons and practice sessions. Your brain must act very fast. Your skill to recognize trends and patterns must almost be instantaneous. That is why I stress the need to use visual dexterity to identify characteristics. You only have about 20 to 30 seconds to make your bet selection. You must then get you chips placed before the call for no more bets is handed out. I make sure that my winning bets are not wiped from the table and then I chart the last spin. So while payouts are being done I make my next bet selection and amount. As soon as the marker is picked up I get my bets down in time.  It's all mechanical to me even though I'm processing a lot of conditional data in my head. There is no precognition going on here. It's all valuation based on current conditions. I'm always looking for mini global effect characteristics. They help when they exist in the charts. Randomness is always kicking out data of the conditions. In effect I have trained my own brain to function as a computer by utilizing mechanical data gathering. And I try to act like I'm there to have fun while all this is happening in my head. I was actually asked by a pit boss once if I was a genius. So I recalled exactly what he had said the day before when he made a comment to another player. They had me down as some kind of genius player. Who knows what casinos put in their comments regarding players. It's not precognition. It's not the typical expression of what luck is. It's conditional awareness.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 28, 02:59 PM 2020
In effect I have trained my own brain to function as a computer by utilizing mechanical data gathering. And I try to act like I'm there to have fun while all this is happening in my head. I was actually asked by a pit boss once if I was a genius. So I recalled exactly what he had said the day before when he made a comment to another player. They had me down as some kind of genius player. Who knows what casinos put in their comments regarding players. It's not precognition. It's not the typical expression of what luck is. It's conditional awareness.

Challenge accepted.

Quote from: Moxy on May 28, 01:10 PM 2020It's for sure always dynamic (guessing)

Gizmotron2 is doing a whole lot more than just guessing. He is laying out the foundation through simple demonstrations, like sequences of singles, and offering any player the ability to exploit this.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 14, 09:46 PM 2020
Gizmotron2 is doing a whole lot more than just guessing. He is laying out the foundation through simple demonstrations, like sequences of singles, and offering any player the ability to exploit this.

Operation Scorched Industry in full bloom.  The calvary is here. 

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 14, 11:39 PM 2020Operation Scorched Industry in full bloom.  The calvary is here. 

Well, operation misdirection is in full swing. I shared it then blew it up. There is no way that anyone skilled at this would give it up for anything else. I'm just glad that so many have moved on. Good old human nature. You can count on it.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 08, 11:32 AM 2020
Well, operation misdirection is in full swing. I shared it then blew it up. There is no way that anyone skilled at this would give it up for anything else. I'm just glad that so many have moved on. Good old human nature. You can count on it.

Are you a genius?

Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 08, 01:09 PM 2020
Are you a genius?

I'm a pragmatic realist. I do have an above average IQ. But that amounts to not much of a big deal. A good friend of mine once suggested that all a genius is in this world is someone that has discovered something that has always been the truth. Electrons flow from the negative to the positive. Liberals lie to gain or remain in power. No one is more important to anyone than themselves. Self preservation will make people do things that they never ever thought that they would do. People have a natural tendency to consider magical explanations. If man was meant to fly he would have a bitchin Beachcraft Bonanza. People are suckers for what they think will make them happy. Success is an avenue to happiness. In the end truth is the thing that is hardest to know. Truth is the avenue to happiness. Reading Randomness is possible because it makes you consider your actions, emotions, practicality of effort, your ability to resist temptation, and your understanding of common things that are not because of magical beliefs. You must be grounded in reality. There is no cause for a trend or a pattern to exist. It just happens.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 08, 02:17 PM 2020
I'm a pragmatic realist. I do have an above average IQ. But that amounts to not much of a big deal. A good friend of mine once suggested that all a genius is in this world is someone that has discovered something that has always been the truth. Electrons flow from the negative to the positive. Liberals lie to gain or remain in power. No one is more important to anyone than themselves. Self preservation will make people do things that they never ever thought that they would do. People have a natural tendency to consider magical explanations. If man was meant to fly he would have a bitchin Beachcraft Bonanza. People are suckers for what they think will make them happy. Success is an avenue to happiness. In the end truth is the thing that is hardest to know. Truth is the avenue to happiness. Reading Randomness is possible because it makes you consider your actions, emotions, practicality of effort, your ability to resist temptation, and your understanding of common things that are not because of magical beliefs. You must be grounded in reality. There is no cause for a trend or a pattern to exist. It just happens.

Yeah but why male models?

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 08, 09:00 PM 2020Yeah but why male models?

Because the actual quote is religious in it's original origin.

"If God Had Meant Man to Fly, He Would Have Given Him Wings."

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 08, 09:13 PM 2020"If God Had Meant Man to Fly, He Would Have Given Him Wings."

If God wanted us to be vegetarians, why did he create butchers?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 08, 09:13 PM 2020"If God Had Meant Man to Fly, He Would Have Given Him Wings."

Instead, he gave us a brain so we could do whatever we want. Including fly.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 09, 03:30 AM 2020Instead, he gave us a brain so we could do whatever we want. Including fly.

It's just an axiom. There were people that used it to make fun of people like the Wright brothers with it.

My comment was sarcasm for those that could relate to the original source. This: "If man was meant to fly he would have a bitchin Beachcraft Bonanza."  I do like people getting all serious about the rules of life as presented by smart people or idiots. To heck with the idiots. That's a rule too.

Quote from: Taotie on Jul 09, 02:54 AM 2020If God wanted us to be vegetarians, why did he create butchers?

If God wanted us to (anything inserted here) he could create woman.  Led Zeppelin; 1969: "The soul of a woman was created below."

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=LdNiT3xDDhA 

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 08, 02:17 PM 2020

that amounts to not much of a big deal  :thumbsup:

A good friend of mine once suggested that all a genius is in this world is someone that has discovered something that has always been the truth

"the truth is a constant" ....and that's where we are all gravitating towards as a collective conscience/consciousness

Quote from: Taotie on Jul 09, 02:54 AM 2020
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, why did he create butchers?

’God’ ....didn’t create the butchers - it was those brains that Steve’s talking about that created those builders & destroyers ....those creators and butch..e ..r...s    :xd: :twisted:
.....Srry - couldn’t resist - but that is the truth
....we have been given the rules and importantly the tools to enjoy the game

-best-
;)

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Jul 09, 09:59 AM 2020"the truth is a constant" ....and that's where we are all gravitating towards as a collective conscience/consciousness

Truth is not a constant. It's BS before it is ever the truth.

Was Columbus a genius because he talked a bitch of a queen out of three boats? Was he an explorer or an exploiter that wanted to find new lands to pillage? His existence has gone from the man that proved that the world was not flat to the asshole that colonized the new world at the expense of the native aborigines species occupying lands that they took from other tribes to begin with.

All I see are a bunch of assholes getting stuff for themselves. That includes today's cancel culture. Gimme gimme gimme, it's always been a sucker be taken world. Take down that statue, It offends me. In fact the money that you earn offends me. You must give it up and bow in prostrations to my superior intellect. That will absolve you of your offenses. Now do it or we will kill you. HAHAHA, that's your future ding dongs. Embrace the horror.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 09, 10:41 AM 2020Take down that statue, It offends me.

I’m going to use the twisted logic of today’s culture cancelling idiots on you. I demand you to take down RR because you are white and successful. You are painting a picture of white people being supreme and successful. I can’t stand for this racism.

Successful companies are bowing to the radical left wing mob. How spineless are they? Aunt Jemima is removing Aunt Jemima, because they claim that she demonstrates slavery, or a black woman catering to white people. Land o lakes and Uncle Bens are also removing their “maidens” or whatever. I thought these people, like the Aunt Jemima lady, demonstrate that black people can be successful; it should be black empowerment not black degradation.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 09, 10:41 AM 2020
Truth is not a constant. 

....yeah - how so? wait! - don’t wrry - don’t answer that - you’ve got your take on things
- I’m clear on mine  :thumbsup:

-best-

Quote from: pepper on Jul 09, 06:34 PM 2020
I’m going to use the twisted logic of today’s culture cancelling idiots on you. I demand you to take down RR because you are white and successful. You are painting a picture of white people being supreme and successful. I can’t stand for this racism.

Successful companies are bowing to the radical left wing mob. How spineless are they? Aunt Jemima is removing Aunt Jemima, because they claim that she demonstrates slavery, or a black woman catering to white people. Land o lakes and Uncle Bens are also removing their “maidens” or whatever. I thought these people, like the Aunt Jemima lady, demonstrate that black people can be successful; it should be black empowerment not black degradation.

That's enough racial strife for you today.  You got more pressing matters.

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Jul 09, 08:11 PM 2020
....yeah - how so? wait! - don’t wrry - don’t answer that - you’ve got your take on things
- I’m clear on mine  :thumbsup:

-best-

Smart. That's intelligence working for you. I respect your opinion too.

Roulette BLEAT,BLEAT,BLEAT & Ross
Giz's R/B column +8.
What is happening in the stream? It's fcuking simple

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 28, 02:59 PM 2019Code: [Select]

W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP
X |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  09  --  37 ( $ 355 ) Specials - Nov 10, 2019 --- #  1
X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  20  --  29 ( $ 355 ) High ----- Nov 11, 2019 --- #  2
-| X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  111  -- 13 ( $ 305 ) Primes --- Nov 12, 2019 --- #  3
  |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  11  --  18 ( $-760 ) NPrimes -- Nov 13,2019  --- #  4
-|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  35  --  32 ( $ 340 ) Low ------ Nov 14, 2019 --- #  5
X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  11  --  34 ( $ 360 ) Red ------ Nov 15, 2019 --- #  6
-| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  37  --  31 ( $ 315 ) Low ------ Nov 16, 2019 --- #  7
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  19  --  12 ( $ 345 ) Red ------ Nov 17, 2019 --- #  8
  |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  32  --  14 ( $-650 ) Six's ---- Nov 18, 2019 --- #  9
X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  13  --  29 ( $ 330 ) NSpecials  Nov 18, 2019 --- # 10
  | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  54  --  20 ( $-705 ) Red ------ Nov 19, 2019 --- # 11
X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  11  --  20 ( $ 355 ) Even ----- Nov 20, 2019 --- # 12
X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  68  --  20 ( $ 290 ) Black ---- Nov 21, 2019 --- # 13
X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  10  --  10 ( $ 270 ) Even ----- Nov 22, 2019 --- # 14
X |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  28  --  37 ( $ 310 ) Zeros ---- Nov 22, 2019 --- # 15
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $ 270 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 16
------- "I played total of 6 sessions. Lost 2 of them." ( $ 270 ) ---------- Nov 23, 2019 --- # 17

Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 03, 08:42 AM 2021What is happening in the stream? It's fcuking simple

If it's so simple why don't you explain it for idiots like me?

Quote from: Ross on Mar 03, 02:39 PM 2021If it's so simple why don't you explain it for idiots like me?

Find a bet selection process.
Make it consistent.

One example is hunting streaks of singles on the weak side that last from 10 to 20 spins typically. This is common enough. If you keep track of the three ECs on the table layout and perhaps a few more custom made groupings with 18 numbers in each set, where that set and it's correlating opposite makes up a new unique group, then you can find it much easier to find this single exampled pattern, singles on the weak side.

When you do see a group go into a phase of hitting what you want to see then you bet bigger on the strong side until the pattern breaks down. Then you drop back to a minimum sized bet while it remains missing. So you have two flat bet values. You bet bigger when the group is hitting your preferred pattern or trend. You bet smaller all other times.

Wanna get really good. Learn to see more patterns or trends. I just gave you one type to make this simple. I just gave you all you need to become a millionaire.  Now go off and reject it out of that superiority that you depend on as a crutch. I must be full of shit. It can't be that simple.  He's a cook. HAHAHA!

My question is for Notto who posted a picture of
some data in your programme (which I've never
seen) with the implication that his simple act
explained everything.

Well, it explains nothing to me and your
"explanation" above, as with all your posts, also
explains nothing.

When something can't be explained there's
something seriously wrong with it.  After all
Einstein was able to explain his theory of
general relativity satisfactorily.

If I was your tutor/father/mother/brother
(please choose one) my advice would
be "Must try harder".

Quote from: Ross on Mar 04, 12:00 AM 2021Well, it explains nothing to me and your
"explanation" above, as with all your posts, also
explains nothing.

I could not be more happy. I'm glad that it makes no sense to you.  I tried very hard to keep this a secret from really smart people that would take it and run with it. I just want to aim people in the right direction. I never wanted to hold people's hands and walk them through to the promised land. I'm sorry that I was not able to make you rich. Perhaps someone else around here will feel sorry for you and give you a "Golden Ticket" Charlie.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 04, 12:22 AM 2021I just want to aim people in the right direction.

From what I've seen of your efforts over a number of years
the only direction you've aimed anyone in was a one-way
dead end.

The only way you'll ever change my mind is by producing
a couple of your mysterious "students" but I doubt they
exist anywhere outside your fantasy world.

You'll really have to lift your game if you want to retain
any credibility around here - assuming you have any.

Just as an after-thought  -  why not produce the instructions
for your strange prehistoric (dos ?) programme?  Seems
strange that you claimed to be the world's greatest
(Revolution ?) programmer and that's the best you
can do.

Ross,

You are an example of my greatest work.

I shared what works and how to beat a casino and it went right over your head.

In fact you are here now, all these years later, harping about how ripped off you are and how I need to be taken down a notch or two by the likes of you. And so you bring up my preferred 4th generation computer language and start tripping on me personally like you just did the world a favor. I have done a perfect job on you. I programmed you. I shared what works in gambling and then sabotaged my own work so as to make it look like it does not work.  You took the bait and are now a tool.  Thank you for your service.

All you have to do is confirm for yourself if I was telling the truth. But you have your excuse not to make that effort. I have you working perfectly without any syntax error. I just want to thank you for thinking that I suckered you and that it has just been a total waste of your time. You are becoming one of those "cancel culture" freaks that feels he must tear down a statue. So you go off ego tripping on people in hopes that at least one will follow your parade. I started this programming people  plan back in 2006 at Gambler's Glen forum. I even coined the phrase "baloney festival" just to validate my intensions in the full wide open. So now you can ask yourself if this has just been "Trick of Treat" all along. 

Just remember this too. If I have been right and shared the HG all along then you are now eating my shit sandwich that I had served up for those that looked hungry enough to eat it. My target has been the MathBoyz, MathNazis, and the MathZombies from the start. You are just icing on the cake. 

So you must ask yourself if the world is flat, concave where people live on the inside of a globe, or spherical.  All these conditions where held as truth by many followers once. I suggest you try the piss aju sauce with your sandwich. You just have that look of a happy customer.

Someone over there just asked this question about Roulette: "Would you say Roulette is a game of skill or luck?"

QuoteI know there are strategies etc, to help you boost your chances of winning. Though let's be honest, if you're placing a bet on a huge chunk of numbers, then you are more likely to win.

Would you say a certain degree of skill can help achieve wins?

I answered with this:

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You are best off playing about 18 numbers, known as an even chance bet.

Making things consistent allows you to keep track of lucky streaks.

Skill comes in with your ability to know when you are in a lucky streak and when you are not.

Strategy, mostly money management as it is called, is how you deal with these known phases.

So conditional awareness combined with money management and the ability to contain your impulses like greed or the need to recover losses becomes an experiential craft. You become a professional player. In that capacity you are not a victim of coincidental bad luck. You are not motivated by superstitious magical beliefs. You don't fall for the lie that "the house always wins."

The other alternative is to be unskilled and inexperienced and you just throw your money away as a form of recreation.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 05, 07:09 AM 2021
Someone over there just asked this question about Roulette: "Would you say Roulette is a game of skill or luck?"
I answered with this:

Great, finally someone with brain commented something useful!

And do you think the human brain can handle all these information and decide appropriately?
I doubt !!!!!

Perhaps a huge computer with extended artificial intelligence can be trained to handle this complex task, who knows !! All I can tell you is so far there is no such machine !!

Yes Gizmo, you have shown, shame some don’t work on red/black betting, instead of berating it, they should practice.
But them being brain-dead, no chance.

Even a Marty made it.