Ok guys...
Here is a good one.
What is the BEST system out there?
i.e. - what do YOU use - with REAL money - that actually generates profits?
Br,
Patrick
Quote from: Patrick999 on Oct 16, 05:00 AM 2019
Ok guys...
Here is a good one.
What is the BEST system out there?
i.e. - what do YOU use - with REAL money - that actually generates profits?
Br,
Patrick
Contrary to what people might say you, give that money to some people around you who might need it. You might get profited from it some day. Don’t give it to casinos, they don’t give anything back.
Well
If you want to generate profits from this game, you should be realistic and define real expectations.
Then you need to focus on the weakest point of this game which is physics, never focus on the strength of this game which is randomness !
By working on exploiting some physics related mechanisms in the game such as dealer signature, bias etc, you have good chances to generate profits.
While if you try to chase the randomness of the game by playing all sorts of layouts bets /and or hot/ cold numbers you will fall in the trap
Roulette computers, without a doubt (overall).
But what's best ultimately depends on what can be best exploited for each wheel.
There are wheels where roulette computers are useless, and dealer signature may be better. So rather than ask what's best, understand it depends in the conditions and wheel.
And unless a system changes accuracy to be better than random, its worthless. If you dont change random, you've changed nothing.
So if someone says random is best, they're clueless. Not looking at anyone in particular... turbo
And if you see anyone showing how great their system is with rng spins, ask them this:
If the accuracy is still random, what is your system changing?
If they say accuracy is better than random, then it can only be done by exploiting rng flaws, which can only apply to specific rngs. So when someone says they beat any rng, they're full of shit. Why? Because the payout is below the odds. Long term winning is as impossible as 1 being greater than 2.
Many people, not just turbo, inhibit peoples progress by misleading people. But if those misled people had some basic knowledge, they'd see the bullshit clearly instead of following it blindly.
Very interesting all.. Thanks...
But is ANYONE actually gambling with real money and making a profit??
Quote from: Patrick999 on Oct 16, 11:58 AM 2019
Very interesting all.. Thanks...
But is ANYONE actually gambling with real money and making a profit??
Yes, people are using it. Reading Randomness is both here and at the source. People here are learning it. It's all there too. There are no hints and waiting for the secret information. The method is completely disclosed and supported. It's also free. There are no hidden costs and no other information needed before success. I worked on it for more than 14 years. It's now being discovered. Just look here for Reading Randomness in a thread called "Over There but Here, Reading Randomness" in the Main Roulette section.
Guys??
Are we really saying that Gizmotron2 is the ONLY one playing with real money and winning????
Seriously?
P.
Hey Patrick999 :)
When a person wins too much [at a B&M or online casino (the winning
threshold is far lower)] the casino removes the game from your choices.
I play with real money (sporadically) online successfully.
There is also the government watching for
sudden jumps in your bank account balance. :sad2:
Hey Proofreaders2000
Thanks for that.
I know that games can be removed - luckily there are thousands of casinos :-)
Also government keeps an eye - but in Denmark (where I live) winnings from Casino is tax free so not a problem.
Can you please tell me what system you use to win - sporadically?
I have tried and tested so many - and they all eventually fail (for me).
So very interested to hear about something I can use in Denmark that might work....?
Br,
Patrick
Nothing guys???
That is very disappointing...!!
Historically, and logically, casinos only consider advantage play a threat. It has been explained many times before.
Thank you Steve...
Quote from: Patrick999 on Oct 17, 07:04 AM 2019I have tried and tested so many - and they all eventually fail (for me).
Have you mastered reading randomness and it failed? If so then I have been searching for you since July when I made it public.
The thing about random is it's random, meaning it is unpredictable, meaning you are stuck at random odds, meaning no matter what you do, you are going to eventually lose.
Saying random is predictable and you can beat random is like saying you love to swim but hate getting wet.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 21, 06:00 PM 2019
The thing about random is it's random, meaning it is unpredictable, meaning you are stuck at random odds, meaning no matter what you do, you are going to eventually lose.
Saying random is predictable and you can beat random is like saying you love to swim but hate getting wet.
Random is 100% unpredictable. There is no way to prove that you are going to eventually lose or eventually win for that matter. You can beat random consistently if you target one of its key characteristics. If you look for patterns and trends they are meaningless formations that only exist in your mind. In other words they have no connection to cause and effect. They are sequences of pure random events. But they do have one connection to reality. That connection is timing. There are times when the formations connect with win streaks. It's all coincidence. There are also times when they don't win. There are times when they in fact have losing streaks.
People want to think it is about something that it can never be, prediction. That's easy to understand and to dismiss. It's much harder to go looking for good timing where meaningless coincidences occur at the same time that win streaks do. There is no magical method to connecting them. It's just a coincidence of timing. I can target when they combine for good timing for my advantage. I can duck out of the way when they don't connect as good timing. I have taught others to do it too. It's just an acquired skill. It's like riding a bike. Once you can see it you can't go back to not seeing it.
The thing is to get good at the skill. Then the real works starts. Can you keep your cool while all around you are losing theirs? It's not easy to sit there and risk your hard earned money. It changes how you act when you see these coincidental opportunities. You can't predict what will happen or how long these connections continue. Steve is totally right. You can't know what randomness will do. It takes experience to handle losses.
If it's completely random, then timing doesn't make it predictable.
If it did, then it wouldn't be random, would it?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 21, 08:11 PM 2019
If it's completely random, then timing doesn't make it predictable.
If it did, then it wouldn't be random, would it?
That is 100% right. I agree. You can see a thing continuing but you have no capability to know if it will continue or end on the next spin. I just do better betting on strong continuing things then I do if I just try to bet the same thing while something else is happening, including it being nowhere in sight. I call it the first try effect. I feel hugely lucky when I get that first bet. I make my money when there is a slow grind upward. I protect my bankroll during all other times. That is what I mean by timing. Not only can I see a win streak but so can the pit bosses. They come over and hover over the table when it happens. Those pit bosses must be real smart.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 08:35 PM 2019You can see a thing continuing but you have no capability to know if it will continue or end on the next spin
You mean you have seen previous spins that appeared to be a trend. But it was just typical random. Remember you don't know it is "continuing". You already agreed it cant be predicted.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 08:35 PM 2019you have no capability to know if it will continue or end on the next spin. I just do better betting on strong continuing things
So you wait for what you perceive to be a strong trend. But you already agreed there is no predictability. So what's the point?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 08:35 PM 2019I make my money when there is a slow grind upward. I protect my bankroll during all other times.
Again if you have no accuracy, you cant know if lower or higher bets will be best.
Can you explain these contradictions?
STFU, Steve.
Just send me a computer on the buy now pay later plan please.
Blow a goat
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26350.0;attach=41995;image)
Must say, the thumbnail image made that video look like... something different.
You love goats. I didnt know that about you.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 22, 12:21 AM 2019
You mean you have seen previous spins that appeared to be a trend. But it was just typical random. Remember you don't know it is "continuing". You already agreed it cant be predicted.
So you wait for what you perceive to be a strong trend. But you already agreed there is no predictability. So what's the point?
Again if you have no accuracy, you cant know if lower or higher bets will be best.
Can you explain these contradictions?
Steve, I don't care if you can't do this. If I see B B B B B B B B B B B I will have already won my three net wins. 10 or 11 reds in a row are not magical thinking. It happens. I'm tickled pink that people can't exploit that. There is no contradiction. I do have accuracy. It's based on the swarms of types of characteristics in formation with positive effectiveness. I bet big when it is working. I know when it is working and when it is not working. Where is there a need for prediction? I make money as long as this continues to work. It's conditional awareness not prediction. I know you are stuck on prediction.
When you watch a football game can you see who is winning? It's not too hard. I depend on the conditions for effectiveness. I can see them easily. I'm not trying to predict anything. I'm observing the conditions. They change. I know this because I'm looking for that. They change from good to bad and back to good. I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. I'm bored with prediction. It's not effective. It can't be done anyway. You could say temperature is not possible. The secret to winning is temperature and air density. Let's drag that to death for a few years.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 09:23 AM 2019When you watch a football game can you see who is winning?
Thats like turbos horse racing nonsense. Right at the end, horse #8 is about to win. It has no relevance to roulette. The difference with roulette is there is no race. Just independent events. And what happens next has unchanged odds. The wheel doesnt give a shit if you think its a race.
Now you want to criticise physics. It doesn't work? Whats the cause of the winning number? Fairies?
You say you're bored of prediction. It doesnt work, for you. So you predict steaks, but you dont predict them, but you do.
Unfortunately you're really lost. You made even more contradictions but dont understand them either.
You dont need to get defensive. If you're right and I'm the clueless one, just keep winning. Make a fool of me.
I don't care. I'm no longer the only one perfecting this skill. Perhaps someone will come along one day and do a better job of explaining this.
??? so temperature matters? I did not know that. I never meant to classify a deplorable in physics. It must just be a coincidental comment. I actually think that computers and physics works. It would be fun to write the software. I actually know the brother of one of the first people that invented it for a computer. Sure, it's possible and even likely. They proved it.
I just don't need it. Let's just drop all this crap.
A system that starts off as a flatbet playing many numbers to fewer numbers (parachute). A system that uses a positive progression (up as you win) opposed to a negative (up as you lose)
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 09:51 AM 2019Perhaps someone will come along one day and do a better job of explaining this.
Quote“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.â€
― Albert Einstein
I know I can appear annoying. But I'm just asking valid questions that should be asked.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 09:51 AM 2019so temperature matters?
Yes because materials expand. But like air pressure, we dont need to measure it. How the changes are dealt with depends on the method of prediction.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 09:51 AM 2019Let's just drop all this crap.
You don't need to answer questions. But discussion is the forum's purpose.
QuoteQuote
“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.†― Albert Einstein
Quote from: Steve on Oct 22, 05:35 PM 2019
I know I can appear annoying. But I'm just asking valid questions that should be asked.
I just wanted you to know that I was not trying to insult you with the temperature comment. It has nothing to do with prediction.
What I was trying to say is that the shoes that you wear can't tell the future. I'm hoping that a six year old can see that. Nobody can know the future by guessing.
For the sake of a six year old I will try one last time with a Turboesque euphemistic axiom. You can't bet on a thing to continue if it is not already continuing first. It can change on the first attempt to bet on it and lose, or it will continue and win that next bet. It can win from dumb luck through selection for a different reason. But that would not be connected to the condition of continuing. My point is that the next bet is selected because it is in a state of continuance and not because of an ability to predict that it will happen my way.
There, now the logic of TurboGenius is invoked.
My conclusion is that a thing that is selected for continuation is not the same as a thing that is selected because of a magic nonexistent capacity for telling the future, "prediction."
So the shoes that you wear can't read randomness. That is two skills that they lack. So ends the story of the magic shoes.
I have been playing two systems with a lot of success.
Gizmotrons reading randomness
psychic roulette preditions
both take a lot of time and work to learn, but they work.
I think the same can be said for AP. It also takes alot of work to learn.
Conclusion? Nothing is simple and you have to work for it to get some results. Just like all good things in life.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 23, 10:47 AM 2019I just wanted you to know that I was not trying to insult you with the temperature comment. It has nothing to do with prediction
You didnt know temperature actually does affect spin outcomes. Why would that insult me?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 23, 10:47 AM 2019What I was trying to say is that the shoes that you wear can't tell the future.
Well if you wear clown shoes and try dancing next to a cliff, there's a high probability of falling.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 23, 10:47 AM 2019For the sake of a six year old I will try one last time with a Turboesque euphemistic axiom.
Some of those words are too big for 6 year olds.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 23, 10:47 AM 2019You can't bet on a thing to continue if it is not already continuing first.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 23, 10:47 AM 2019the next bet is selected because it is in a state of continuance and not because of an ability to predict that it will happen my way.
If something is in a state of continuance, it is continuing to happen into the future - derived from the word "continue". Otherwise you are looking at the past.
Here's what you're saying: You are not predicting the future. You are looking at the past to predict the future.
It's best we leave it. I'm sure you'll agree. Again if you are winning, keep winning.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 24, 01:28 AM 2019
1.) If something is in a state of continuance, it is continuing to happen into the future - derived from the word "continue". Otherwise you are looking at the past.
2.) Here's what you're saying: You are not predicting the future. You are looking at the past to predict the future.
Let's look at that and see if it is true or not. If I see 10 reds in a row then I can say that these past spins have been in a state of continuing. I'm not saying what will happen next. The future is in fact unknown. To me that alone contradicts both of these opinions. But let's take on the second one. I'm looking at the past to check the now conditions. Even though the odds have not changed for an individual spin I'm guessing that the next spin result might confirm that I'm in a win streak. I'm looking for win streaks and slow grind upwards moments. I don't get killed in a session if I encounter changes, even if I go into a swarm of them and lose a single session. The odds do not produce perfect losing streaks all the time. The future is only data that confirms what type of streak I'm in. It does not have control over me like it does people that can't see what I see. I have taught people to see this. I have just failed with you.
Reading Randomness is about checking the condition of now. I want to know what is happening right now. I base my next bet on what is happening right now. I have no magic wand to see the future and know it. I want to know if the win streaks are solid or fragmented. It's so easy that a 5 year old can see that. When my guessing is working I'm in a win streak. When my guessing is hitting hit or miss then I'm not in a win streak. When my guessing is not hitting at all I'm in a losing streak. I can see this. It's real information that I can use to adjust bet sizes. I chose to use the appearance of a thing continuing in order to make bet selections. That way I can see when the guesses are in sync with the win streaks. It is a way of confirming past results. I'm confirming past bet selections to win/loss conditions. It's all in the past. The past tells me what win/loss state I'm now in. I just happen to know that winning conditions swarm if you are smart enough to look for them. Trends or patterns swarm too. I can tie a trend to a win streak. So I do. I'm in control of that. It does not concern me that people need to see the future in order to win disagreements. I can't see the future but I can still disintegrate known probability expectations. It's for you math oriented people to explain it. Now is the time to keep heads down in the sand. What is coming can't be stopped. Too many people are looking at this. It's just a matter of time. I don't care who can't see this.
Now we can drop it.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 23, 12:57 PM 2019I have been playing two systems with a lot of success.
Can you that somehow demonstrate, not only say chart from RX :). For example, to play against some order of numbers from mine wheel, you will see all and after every spin, you simply say what you bet in next, very easy...
I tested many systems and positive result show only one, which I himself created. Long-time ago that was, but I am not paid much attention to that, as all AP I think that somewhere is a mistake in algorithm.
Now again started to do some tests trying to find that mistake, but I can't :)
So sometimes strange things happend also for AP ....
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 24, 07:03 AM 2019If I see 10 reds in a row then I can say that these past spins have been in a state of continuing.
Are those spins in the past?
Yes = they are past.
Yes + (random future) = (your bet selection changes nothing)
Why use the word continuing if it's the past?
I get what you are saying. The problem is you're incorrect.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 24, 07:03 AM 2019Even though the odds have not changed for an individual spin I'm guessing that the next spin result might confirm that I'm in a win streak.
Here you are correlating random past to random future. Only future odds count. You cant bet on the past.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 24, 07:03 AM 2019I have taught people to see this. I have just failed with you.
You failed with me because I understand.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 24, 07:22 AM 2019I base my next bet on what is happening right now.
And your "now" is based on past spins, which have no correlation to future spins. So why look at the past at all if you know spins are random?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 24, 07:22 AM 2019Reading Randomness is about checking the condition of now
Random means random. Reading randomness is not possible because it's random. You like swimming but hate water.
Round and round. Unfortunately you're lost in fallacy land still.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 24, 07:22 AM 2019What is coming can't be stopped. Too many people are looking at this. It's just a matter of time. I don't care who can't see this.
If gamblers had a nickel for every time they thought they had something but didn't, they could retire wealthy. I've been there before. We all have. The way to know if you are right or wrong is see if you have ALREADY won a fortune or not.
I don't care. I'll read it later, someday. I'm done trying. I does not matter. People that try it out will decide.
I know that it's works.
Other people know that it's works.
Don't worry.
Everyone is free to learn and practice by himself...
There is a reason that I gave up on double dozens, 24 - 26 numbers. I really haven't gone into it much. All I have said is that it digs deep holes real fast. If you can't beat the casino flat betting then there is no money management method other than virtual bets to deal with it. Reading Randomness is about flat betting using virtual bets and waiting for win streaks that are a slow grind upward or of the super win streak type. These things occur by coincidence and only require a skilled observer to execute their exploitation. A prerequisite skill to tell the future is not required. Most of the time a condition will last at least once more once it is discovered. Very seldom do trends and patterns of winning end just when you notice them like in a swarm of losses. They win more than they lose when they are in a winning state or condition. They lose in a slow grind or a steep dive when they lose. The only skill needed is the skill to see what type of condition the session is in. Everyone talks about Money Management. This is all about Session Management. You use it to deliberately win the session. This leaves behind wishful thinking and probability expectations that have no control over recent variance. You just let variance have its way and change as it changes.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 24, 01:28 AM 2019
Here's what you're saying: You are not predicting the future. You are looking at the past to predict the future.
I'm looking at the past to see what the conditions are for the session. The big changes don't act that fast. I play to win on the big changes.
But let's play your head trip game. Yes, I can predict the future. So can you if you learn what I have taught. I predict that a win streak will eventually occur. I'm 100% sure that it will occur. I will virtual bet in my charts until it occurs. I will get my three net wins and quit during that occurrence. I predict that you can do the same if you give up your "annoying" quest to prove that prediction is a skill that can't exist. Where is your proof that prediction can't work? I know that you are wrong. Now prove that prediction can't work.
Here is proof that a win streak can occur. It starts out as a win streak, goes into a losing streak and comes back to a win streak. This is 100 spins all bet on red with no virtual bets.
I predict that you can't prove that prediction does not work. Therefore all your logic so far is wrong. I predict that this will annoy you. I also predict that I will try to win every one of my sessions. I know that all I have to do is wait for a win streak. I love coincidence and variance. Thankfully the math police can't enforce a law that does not exist for it. Probability can't tell you when a win streak will occur, how long it will last, and when it will end. Probability is as good as prediction.
Let's drop it now.
Is there race going for who is having the last word :). There seem to be discussions about dropping, waiting for it to drop though. :) :)
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Oct 25, 03:03 PM 2019
Is there race going for who is having the last word :). There seem to be discussions about dropping, waiting for it to drop though. :) :)
So drop it. I have.
P.S. I predicted this.
HE started it.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 06:56 AM 2019Where is your proof that prediction can't work? I know that you are wrong. Now prove that prediction can't work.
Do you really want the answer? Because I'll happily provide it.
Roulette outcomes are independent and unbiased, therefore roulette spins are unpredictable.
We know it's impossible for roulette spins to be unbiased unless the manufacturers can produce perfect balanced wheels. Whether this bias can be exploited is another thing.
This brings us to whether roulette outcomes are independent.
Can this be proven ?
Quote from: Joe on Oct 16, 07:45 AM 2019
It's impossible to prove that there is no dependent stream because there are an infinite number of possible streams, and you can't test them all, but that doesn't prove that there are any. All the logic and evidence suggest that there are none.
Anyone is entitled to believe what they want of course, even when there is no logic or evidence in favour of it.
In the absence of proof we assume with best available logic that roulette outcomes are independent and therefore random and unpredictable.
This leads to the demand for proof from those who made this claim, the onus is on the one who made the claim.
The person who possess this proof refuse to provide the proof. He is then name-called as mistake, ignorant, uneducated, deluded, scammer.
This deadlock loop repeats itself on all forums.
If you read Joe's post correctly the only person possible to provide proof is the person who made the claim.
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 25, 08:49 PM 2019This brings us to whether roulette outcomes are independent.
Can this be proven ?
You can't prove it in the way that you can prove some theorem in Geometry, but it's self-evident when you understand that roulette is a 'with replacement' setup (referring to my analogy with a deck of cards in an earlier post). The same number of pockets remain on the wheel between spins, so that's enough to 'prove' independence. Of course there might be some situations when independence doesn't hold, such as if the wheel has magnets and the casino is trying to cheat you, but that has nothing to do with the game itself.
Sometimes you hear it said that 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence', meaning that if we haven't found something we think may exist, it doesn't mean that it really doesn't, it just means we don't know one way or the other. This often used by people to hang on to their beliefs even when there is no evidence for them. But actually, absence of evidence really
is evidence of absence.
If you keep looking for something and continue to fail to find it, isn't this evidence that it doesn't exist? The more you look and fail to find, the stronger the evidence that it doesn't exist. You can even prove it mathematically using conditional probability - see here (link:://oyhus.no/AbsenceOfEvidence.html).
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 25, 08:49 PM 2019Roulette outcomes are independent and unbiased, therefore roulette spins are unpredictable.
This brings us to whether roulette outcomes are independent.
Can this be proven ?
All can be proved, only not need to mix two words - unpredictable and independent.
Independent means, that nex spin does not have a relationship with previous spins they - all can be different.
Unpredictable - means, that we nothing can, no matter what we measure, what we collect.
So claim, that spins are independent is right, but that they are unpredictable - not right.
And one more what is very important is that forums are not that place where can be some provings, simply because who can that prove - that for him not necessary...
For example, when I need for somebody to explain how is done predictions of results - use a very simple method. I take several spins video and show that is some algorithm, some rule, how we need to predict, that result which we get will give win on all selected spins...
So one rule for many spins.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 26, 04:41 AM 2019
If you keep looking for something and continue to fail to find it, isn't this evidence that it doesn't exist? The more you look and fail to find, the stronger the evidence that it doesn't exist. You can even prove it mathematically using conditional probability - see here (link:://oyhus.no/AbsenceOfEvidence.html).
Likewise, if I look for something and I found it, isn't it evidence that it does exist ?
What's more important are,
IF you believe it doesn't exist, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, and
Don't contradict your own belief to still continue to search for something which you believe that it don't exist.
Lastly, as a believer of roulette outcomes as independent and unbiased, therefore random and unpredictable,
do make peace with yourself that in this world there are people who differ in their beliefs with or without basis, something you are never 100% certain.
lucky, as in many of your posts, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. If you want to believe that spins are dependent then go ahead. As for me, I'm quite happy to 'believe' that they aren't, because I don't think it's necessary that they are in order to make a profit. ;)
Quote from: Joe on Oct 26, 05:35 AM 2019
lucky, as in many of your posts, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. If you want to believe that spins are dependent then go ahead. As for me, I'm quite happy to 'believe' that they aren't, because I don't think it's necessary that they are in order to make a profit. ;)
The points I want to make are,
It's perfectly ok and normal logic to believe that roulette outcomes are independent.
(This is the point of reference whenever I write in response to other people's post.)
It's also important that you understand that no magical money management will change a losing bet to somehow win.
This reality applies to almost all people.
For those of you who believe, without any basis or evidence, that roulette outcomes are dependent, you must know that this dependent outcome that you believe in is based on heresay.
(You, is referenced to everyone.)
Quote from: Joe on Oct 26, 05:35 AM 2019
I don't think it's necessary that they are in order to make a profit. ;)
Someday, in another thread lets discuss how this is done. :thumbsup:
I think that you simply :
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Oct 26, 04:44 AM 2019mix two words - unpredictable and independent.
Of course, spins are independent, but that not go into any confrontation with that they can be predictable. Ball fall not where and when it wants. ball fall when forces which push him to fall win against forces which let him move forward. And these forces we can describe by some mathematical formulas and solve task.
If sky jumper jumps from the platform from that how he flies in several few meters good master can quite exact say a distance of jump. Many basketball players throw ball and immediately know it will hit to basket or no...
So no matter how that is pitty but, many things are predictable, for some small circle of persons. And that is in many realms...roulette is only small part of them...
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 07:56 PM 2019
Do you really want the answer? Because I'll happily provide it.
Let's see if you can actually do that without going off in the weeds or basing your case on platitudes.
Answer these prediction questions then please:
1.) Do win streaks happen?
I predict that they almost always do because I'm searching for just one of them in 6 different unique groups of Even Chance selection options. With Baccarat you only have one group to pick from. So I tend to find a good enough win streak in every 100 spins. In Baccarat I would need 600 hands to compare this with.
2.) I predict that I will target a win streak if it occurs. Can I do that?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:26 AM 2019
Let's see if you can actually do that without going off in the weeds or basing your case on platitudes.
I really like to see Steve provide the proof(of infinite roulette permutations). Let everyone see the proof he post below. :thumbsup:
It is widely held that all Roulette spins are independent. I agree.
So If each spin is independent then are win streaks independent?
Hopefully enough of you really play in order to see what happens at a table when someone has a win streak. It just happens. Nobody could predict in advance when one would start, how long it would last, or which player it would happen to. But everyone there could see it. They could watch it until it ends.
To me, wins streaks are independent. So I like to wait for them to happen to me. The skill to do that is shared here as Reading Randomness. I'm interested in anyone that can't see win streaks when they occur. I'd love to hear their story.
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 26, 06:31 AM 2019
I really like to see Steve provide the proof(of infinite roulette permutations). Let everyone see the proof he post below. :thumbsup:
I'd like him to triangulate and project to the point that the point is forgotten.
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 26, 06:04 AM 2019I don't think it's necessary that they are in order to make a profit. ;)
Someday, in another thread lets discuss how this is done. :thumbsup:
BEBE is correct : independent spins doesn't mean unpredictable.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:42 AM 2019To me, wins streaks are independent. So I like to wait for them to happen to me.
But how do you identify them? after 1 win? 2? 10?. If you admit that the win streaks are independent (no matter how long they are when you observe them), how does it help?
Quote from: Joe on Oct 26, 06:50 AM 2019
But how do you identify them? after 1 win? 2? 10?. If you admit that the win streaks are independent (no matter how long they are when you observe them), how does it help?
I just spent 3 months explaining it. I even make many of the important points in this thread.
You might want to know what it means to see singles on the weak side.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 26, 06:46 AM 2019
BEBE is correct : independent spins doesn't mean unpredictable.
This direction of discussion will lead to areas that can confuse further the readers which by now is confusing enough. So lets leave it at that.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 26, 06:50 AM 2019
But how do you identify them? after 1 win? 2? 10?. If you admit that the win streaks are independent (no matter how long they are when you observe them), how does it help?
The encompassing requirement is "skill".
Whether this "skill" is quantifiable and measurable idk. :question:
Quote from: Kav on Oct 28, 08:41 AM 2019
Giz,
You remind me of Spike from Gambler's Glen - most people here weren't born back then.
This is all old news. Done to death.
Pattern recognition? Check!
Capitalize on winning streaks? Ever heard of the Paroli/Parlay betting approach? Check!
Identifying and exploiting trends? Done.
Everything you talk about has been around for centuries. I don't see anything new here. If you think this is new, you haven't done your homework.
Hey! I'm not dismissing the concept of trends etc. I'm just saying these are old concepts, explained much better previously by more knowledgable people.
And so you know, people, more often than not, see patterns when there is none; it's explained in the following video:
Oh, so it's OK to engage me here at Steve's forum as long as your censorship at your Snowflake forum is a safe space?
You say you remember Spike but conveniently forgot about me. The name was Gizmotron there too. It was both of us. You also don't know how this has developed over these past 14 years. Spike never revealed his secrets. I went ahead since July of this year and have showed everything. That was after a year ago first having successfully taught a single person just to see where the learning errors and difficulties might occur.
This is best as flat betting. Letting the winnings ride is as old as the hills and twice as dusty. This is waiting until you are in a win streak and then striking. Stop at a minimal win or a slightly larger loss point. You are an enemy of free discussion. Yet for some reason you are afraid of a concept where "betting big when you are doing well and betting small when you aren't" somehow threatens you. You clearly want people to pass this by. Only just the opposite is what is going to happen. I have tied seeing trends and using them when they are in a winning state. You clowns have always said that trends are useless. You trying to do that now.
I'll bet that you can't show anywhere on planet earth where or when "singles on the weak side" were ever used to illustrate one of many aspects where characteristics are used to demonstrate visual dexterity. I have gone miles beyond those people you say have done this to death.
Your sophistry will not work. I have done this to put people like you in your place. It's you and your archaic thinking that has been done to death and the results are clear for everyone to see. Reading Randomness will replace what you think is common sense. You can't stop those that know you are wrong. That group will keep growing is size because I know this works. They will try it, become skilled at it, and freely discuss it. They will know the difference between just seeing trends and seeing trends and using them effectively.
Now I will watch your video. It's probably the mother ship for you tin foil cap boyz.
What a joke. You and him belong together. There's more sophistry to go around. This guy is blind to Reading Randomness. Perhaps you can get him to commit to researching it in order to destroy it. I would love to see that video. If he does actually learn it and fails then he will be an idiot around those that don't fail at it. He's talking about gamblers fallacy and tying it to trends. That's an easy way to win an argument.
I wish I had the power to cut you off and silence your voice. All I can do is expose your fallacy. I'm sending an army that knows you are wrong. People want money. They say that money won is twice as good as money earned. You can't stop this.
Try this video: Best viewed in a full screen option.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=f-BbdPFzn0o
You sound mad at me.
If this is not business and you don't sell anything, why get mad about objections?
A person winning roulette should be happy, not mad.
Quote from: Kav on Oct 28, 12:15 PM 2019
You sound mad at me.
If this is not business and you don't sell anything, why get mad about objections?
A person winning roulette should be happy, not mad.
Are you kidding? You hold me in total disdain and regard things I believe as stupid. Your protection of your own forum is proof of that. I consider it all funny. You reject the one thing that works. You have the basic need to be accepted and respected for it. But when it comes to really discussing things you are a massive control freak. There is a limit to what you will tolerate. You do know that I gave it all away for free don't you? Did you think it was a sale's pitch?
Gizmo, I've taken your points and claims seriously. But I cant find any merit in your approach or theories. It is not a conspiracy. I did the same with Turbo - just a bunch of nonsense. Sorry, but it is.
Take your latest video. The person in the video retrospectively looks at a black/red and says "gee if we bet RED instead on these past spins, we would have won". Well, duh.
Then he talks about betting high when in a streak. There are no streaks. It's random. What you perceive as a streak is just a series of independent events, and normal probability that sometimes a few reds/blacks will be in a row. Streaks is one of the oldest approaches used by gamblers, which have tried to exploit it in many ways. So just when you think you're in a streak, the future spins either continue the trend, become choppy, or change trend, then maybe back to choppy, a really short streak, back to choppy, then somewhere between choppy and streaks etc etc. You cannot predict it. That's why it's called random.
I'm not interested in arguing the point. Again I took what you presented seriously, and just wasted time. No need to argue about it. As I said before, if you or the person in the video are winning fortunes, good, keep doing it. Make fools of us.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 28, 06:35 PM 2019
1.) Gizmo, I've taken your points and claims seriously. But I cant find any merit in your approach or theories. It is not a conspiracy. I did the same with Turbo - just a bunch of nonsense. Sorry, but it is.
2.) Take your latest video. The person in the video retrospectively looks at a black/red and says "gee if we bet RED instead on these past spins, we would have won". Well, duh.
3.)Then he talks about betting high when in a streak. There are no streaks. It's random. What you perceive as a streak is just a series of independent events, and normal probability that sometimes a few reds/blacks will be in a row. Streaks is one of the oldest approaches used by gamblers, which have tried to exploit it in many ways. So just when you think you're in a streak, the future spins either continue the trend, become choppy, or change trend, then maybe back to choppy, a really short streak, back to choppy, then somewhere between choppy and streaks etc etc. You cannot predict it. That's why it's called random.
4.) I'm not interested in arguing the point. Again I took what you presented seriously, and just wasted time. No need to argue about it. As I said before, if you or the person in the video are winning fortunes, good, keep doing it. Make fools of us.
1.) But you have been respectful and also interesting to talk to. You have your interests and I have mine. I see no point in debating where we are both so entrenched in our own methods.
2.) That video is to illustrate that strong trends can be matched to streaks of wins, nothing more. All I do is hunt strong streaks or swarms of micro streaks. I could create a video that shows winning with micro streaks. People that are trying this are seeing these things. We both know that practice during learning is not the same as live play with hard earned money.
3.) You have just described very well chaotic streaks without any form or direction. That is a very common condition and it is unavoidable. Everyone will see that. If they look they will also see steep losses all at once too. But for some reason there won't ever be win streaks. I wonder why randomness never does that? It should. I never see the pit boss come and stand by the table when a losing streak happens.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 28, 06:54 PM 2019I see no point in debating where we are both so entrenched in our own methods.
What I explain is not about my methods or preferences. It's just about reality.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 28, 06:54 PM 2019That video is to illustrate that strong trends can be matched to streaks of wins
No it shows you can have wins and losses, but still overall you lose. This is because the odds of winning are the same as random bets.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 28, 06:54 PM 2019But for some reason there won't ever be win streaks
Of course there are. Both win and lose streaks, as explained above.
This current discussion about streaks or trends.
What we observe is random walk and levy flight and other processes.
This is seen as stochastic process. That means to aid prediction we use stochastical analysis techniques that's a large field of math.
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 28, 08:59 PM 2019
This current discussion about streaks or trends.
What we observe is random walk and levy flight and other processes.
This is seen as stochastic process. That means to aid prediction we use stochastical analysis techniques that's a large field of math.
Who are you trying to kid? It's a coincidence when a trend and a win streak happen at the same time. If you are a duck hunter you sit in a duck blind until the ducks come in and lock up their wings for a landing. Then you blast away and then send out the dogs. The only math going on here is counting how many ducks you shot down.
It's the same thing with Reading Randomness. All you care about is getting your three ducks. People that can see win streaks can also see that these win streaks can be associated with a trend that is occurring at the same time. I can have a win streak because ten reds in a row occurred. I can also have a losing streak because 5 reds, one black, and then 5 more reds occurred. It could be because of bad timing or of just bad luck. It's not because I claimed to know the future.
I certainly don't have time to do complex theoretical math for the bet selections, that's for sure. Guessing is a skill, not a science. I choose to win more than I lose. I get that extra few wins while I see a connection between the trend or pattern working at the same time that a win streak is working. Perhaps there is a mathematics for quantitative recognition or quantifying coincidence? It's all a butch of hogwash to most people anyway, so why worry about it.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 28, 07:30 PM 2019
1.) What I explain is not about my methods or preferences. It's just about reality.
2.) No it shows you can have wins and losses, but still overall you lose. This is because the odds of winning are the same as random bets.
3.) Of course there are. Both win and lose streaks, as explained above.
1.) Well I'm glad that one of us is based in reality.
2.) So what are the odds for a trend occurring and coinciding with a win streak. Is there a reality for that?
3.) Yes, please explain above. (#2)
let me chip in my half cent.
What Gizmotron trying to say is, that in next few hundreds spins, of double dozens bet, there will be LONG streaks of POSITIVE and negative VARIANCE.
Though the dd is 66%...it will not wwlwwlwwl all the way, streaks of positive,negative and mix will always presents alternatingly.
When he see negative and mixed streaks happened...he guns for POSITIVE STREAKS TO HIT....and take advantage to hilt. H may lose when negative keep hitting...but when positive hit ,he recoup. He cant and not predicting when the positive will hit. He just takes caculated risk, to bet FOR POSITIVE TO RUN.
I understand what he's saying. But his bet selection approach doesnt work because what he perceives as a streak is just random. And from there, what happens is equally random. So he's just making random bets without understanding it's all he's doing.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 07:40 AM 20192.) So what are the odds for a trend occurring
Tell me what a trend is and I can give you the odds. That's the problem I have with your strategy; a 'trend' could be almost any pattern.
I identified one automated wheel with a repetitive pattern, I collected 5000 spins from the wheel and tested them, the result is :
Only 2 times a streak of loses (>14 misses in a row) occurred !
Do you think attacking this system with a neg progression is profitable ?
Quote from: SWEET on Oct 31, 01:29 AM 2019
let me chip in my half cent.
What Gizmotron trying to say is, that in next few hundreds spins, of double dozens bet, there will be LONG streaks of POSITIVE and negative VARIANCE.
Though the dd is 66%...it will not wwlwwlwwl all the way, streaks of positive,negative and mix will always presents alternatingly.
When he see negative and mixed streaks happened...he guns for POSITIVE STREAKS TO HIT....and take advantage to hilt. H may lose when negative keep hitting...but when positive hit ,he recoup. He cant and not predicting when the positive will hit. He just takes caculated risk, to bet FOR POSITIVE TO RUN.
I did promote double dozens for about 10 years. About 2.5 years ago somebody posted a link to a video about trading stocks like a casino. I switched back to Even Chance. My new practice software is all based on 18 - 20 numbers at a time. I also no longer try to wait for the huge win streaks. I now recommend 3 net wins and done. I also recommend 7 net losses and done. It's a combination of these two stop points and the common aspects of micro swings in the win loss graph that make this work. The thing now is to not dig deep holes.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 31, 02:07 AM 2019
I understand what he's saying. But his bet selection approach doesnt work because what he perceives as a streak is just random. And from there, what happens is equally random. So he's just making random bets without understanding it's all he's doing.
For a guy that likes being right you could not be more wrong in your perception of what I do. I'm truly sorry that the process for communicating this thing that I do is so difficult. I got you to admit that win streaks occur and that you can see it when that happens. Let's try this one time from what you do perceive. I see a win streak that is just random. You see a win streak that is just random. I do something about it. I guess you do "what" about it? I'm very good at teaching people to take action when randomness goes into a winning condition. It makes no sense that Roulette is always in a losing condition. But that is your point of view. OK, I surrender. It is a waste of both of our time to keep haggling over this point. I no longer go after the huge win streaks as I have become very skilled at micro movements. We have never discussed changes and the nature of changes because we are stuck on what randomness is.
So it won't be me that gets you unstuck. It will be many others that at some point will be too many others. I know this will happen. It's simple logic. But to you it is outright foolishness.
Gizmo, are you winning a fortune? Are you students winning a fortune? Do you have the hg and are guaranteed long term profit?
Quote from: Joe on Oct 31, 04:16 AM 2019
Tell me what a trend is and I can give you the odds. That's the problem I have with your strategy; a 'trend' could be almost any pattern.
I should have said what are the odds of a trend occurring at a predictable moment? How long will a trend last? When will it end?
Also, I'm truly glad there are people out there that don't recognize trends and patterns. I have used singles on the weak side in order to make sure people are looking at my type of charts. I base all this on figure formations and visual dexterity. Those are practiced and recognizable skills. At first you can't see anything and then all of a sudden you begin to see it. After that you can't go back to not seeing it.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 31, 04:59 AM 2019
I identified one automated wheel with a repetitive pattern, I collected 5000 spins from the wheel and tested them, the result is :
Only 2 times a streak of loses (>14 misses in a row) occurred !
Do you think attacking this system with a neg progression is profitable ?
No. With my charting system I see enough opportunity in every 100 spins to win my sessions the way that I intend to win my sessions.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 31, 08:13 AM 2019
Gizmo, are you winning a fortune? Are you students winning a fortune? Do you have the hg and are guaranteed long term profit?
No. You are proof that this can't be taught to everyone. I also expect some people to use very bad judgment and to make bad choices and fail at this. They will then logically blame the method. That is just the way it will be. Did you know that it is the responsibility of a pilot instructor to tell a person that they should not try to become a pilot in the first 8 hours of flight instructions? It's true. I don't want math to be a stumbling block but it is all that some people have their hats hung on. I'm glad that this is the way that it is though. I know you have a business to run. I'm 100% all for that.
People are their own worst enemies. Greed is the thing that wrecks success. Fortunes are a relative value. What's one man's fortune is another man's poverty. I gave up millions to be an extreme poly athlete. I know for a fact that it was the right thing for me. Everyone should know what it is like to ski off a blind cliff at 90 miles per hour and turn on the landing in hopes of shaving off a quarter of one second. They should know what it is like to ski down a 70 degree face and make it look easy. And I don't mean lose it and just run wild at full speed. But having so much self control that you can stop any time you want to. There is no substitute for Yosemite rock climbing, deep scuba diving, radical flight precision, insane windsurfing conditions, and even running a business on automatic control. And now beating Roulette and telling the world. I guess there will always be people that will say that I should not have done it this way. But I'm the first. I wanted this to be another first. So it is.
You make your system sound like guessing. I think you said somewhere guessing is a skill. An educated guess is a calculated risk, with benefits, if the education is accurate. Otherwise, guessing is not a skill. Its just guessing.
If you can't define mechanical rules that anyone can follow, it sounds less like a system and more like guessing.
What makes your guessing better than other people's guessing?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 31, 09:23 AM 2019
You make your system sound like guessing. I think you said somewhere guessing is a skill. An educated guess is a calculated risk, with benefits, if the education is accurate. Otherwise, guessing is not a skill. Its just guessing.
If you can't define mechanical rules that anyone can follow, it sounds less like a system and more like guessing.
What makes your guessing better than other people's guessing?
My guessing is better because of timing, self control (greed), situational awareness, and stop points inside the most common range of moving averages. I don't depend on one guess at a time but on sequences of guessing existing in conditional phases. I have proved to my students that theses conditional phases can be seen and exploited when they are in conditions of continuance. I also acknowledge that there are people that can't see any of this. In their hands it is all a waste of their time. So my conclusion is that people that can't do this are in no way experts on it. They are uninformed in most cases. We see this all day long in the world of politics and news bias. People have very strong opinions and are not willing to see if they are not seeing something.
None of that matters. What matters is that more and more people are learning these skills. They are doing it while others insist that they can't do what they are actually doing.
As far as mechanical rules go I suggest that you try to prove this works withing the confines of three net wins and done per session. I also recommend that you end a session on 7 net losses. I also suggest that you try flat betting and virtual bets only on your way to proving to yourself that this works.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 31, 09:23 AM 2019If you can't define mechanical rules that anyone can follow, it sounds less like a system and more like guessing.
I agree, but if it's an educated guess what is it based on? And I don't agree roulette is a game of skill, unless you're talking about VB which takes practice to become accomplished.
Gizmo talks about timing, but there is no timing involved when your next bet is based on past patterns. Either the next bet(s) are favourable given the current pattern, or they aren't. It's a simple binary choice. Timing doesn't come into it as it would if you were using VB and watching the wheel waiting for the best time to place your bet.
Either you know which patterns are favourable or you don't. That's not a question of skill but knowledge.
Because there are a finite number of patterns, you could generate data for each one and set up a large contingency table then do a chi-square test for independence to identify the 'favourable' patterns. Having found them you could keep them in a database and write a program to track past spins. When a favourable pattern starts to form you would bet on it continuing. If the pattern broke you would remove it and search for another which partially matched what has already formed. Continue like that until you reach a new high balance or you run out of patterns, then start over with all patterns available again.
Of course the theory is that all patterns are equally likely, so if that holds up then you won't find any 'favourable' patterns.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 31, 11:01 AM 2019
Of course the theory is that all patterns are equally likely, so if that holds up then you won't find any 'favourable' patterns.
Timing refers to the condition that the trend is working at times and not working at others.
I simplified all this with a simple claim. My charts look at 12 sets that make up 6 groups. If you just look for singles on the weak side in 100% quality, and secondarily in 95% perfect quality in that chart then you have all you need to beat roulette to the point that with a big enough bankroll you can become a millionaire winner in just a couple of years.
You do not need to take my word for it. I have provided the software that can run 100 no bet spins and chart them. I just ran a few different 100 spin tests and I always found at least one stretch of singles on the weak side that lasted from 20 to 30 spins. That's enough to win three net wins. I explain how in Reading Randomness where everything is published.
You can write your own sim in your own software to explore the existence of singles on the weak side.
You should know that singles on the weak side is just one characteristic of randomness. I have many common types. But just this one characteristic is enough to prove my point.
random MUST succumb to math expectation law, although it may not adhere to balanced result, in next 100,200,300, or even next 1000spins,
BUT random itself must alternate!
Or else you see streak of 100 single dozen, or streak of 100 dd in next 100spins.
IMHO, if we see a very long negative variance, then due to math expectation, the mild or agressive POSITIVE variance MAY HIT...(before you balk, i said..MAY HIT)
thus we risked this "MAY HIT " possibility.
We cannot, and do not predict the outcome, just risked the possible outcome.
As Gizmotron had point out clearly. look at any long spins data, you see positive and negative streaks ALTERNATING (in random length) constantly, then think, how to take ADVANTAGE or this normal constant occurance? the keyword is ALTERNATING.
Quote from: SWEET on Oct 31, 10:25 PM 2019
As Gizmotron had point out clearly. look at any long spins data, you see positive and negative streaks ALTERNATING (in random length) constantly, then think, how to take ADVANTAGE or this normal constant occurance? the keyword is ALTERNATING.
I call it change. For me it changes from one state to another. There are three primary conditions. There is the chaotic condition as well as favorable or deplorable. What I like the most is that these conditions are ignored by my critics. I know as long as they really play that they will get whacked by changes. The best part is that they are ignoring these natural occurring changes. I've tried for years to tell them that there are sequences of death that always come out of nowhere. So many real players are crash test dummies. My favorite pass time while playing is to watch ignorance as a primary tactic of the other players. It's cheap entertainment. Why should the casino have all the fun?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 01, 07:38 AM 2019
I call it change. For me it changes from one state to another. There are three primary conditions. There is the chaotic condition as well as favorable or deplorable. What I like the most is that these conditions are ignored by my critics. I know as long as they really play that they will get whacked by changes. The best part is that they are ignoring these natural occurring changes. I've tried for years to tell them that there are sequences of death that always come out of nowhere. So many real players are crash test dummies. My favorite pass time while playing is to watch ignorance as a primary tactic of the other players. It's cheap entertainment. Why should the casino have all the fun?
Are you the new turbo ?
Welcome to the club !
Random beats random, or ???
Boom boom.. bang bang, let’s party !!!
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:20 AM 2019Timing refers to the condition that the trend is working at times and not working at others.
But it still comes down to a binary choice. Either the trend is working or it isn't. It's like a stop loss, and would you implement a stop loss just randomly or when you feel like it? or only after researching at what point in the pattern you should abandon it? Hopefully you would agree with the latter. All decisions should be based on prior research, otherwise it's just random guessing.
I wonder if anybody who is critisizing gizmotron has tried and played 100 sessions...
This method is easy to learn. way easier than precog.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 01, 09:47 AM 2019
I wonder if anybody who is critisizing gizmotron has tried and played 100 sessions...
This method is easy to learn. way easier than precog.
ask jono 1168; he is testing now as far as i know, with good results
Quote from: Joe on Nov 01, 09:19 AM 2019
But it still comes down to a binary choice. Either the trend is working or it isn't. It's like a stop loss, and would you implement a stop loss just randomly or when you feel like it? or only after researching at what point in the pattern you should abandon it? Hopefully you would agree with the latter. All decisions should be based on prior research, otherwise it's just random guessing.
I agree with all of it. It comes down to taking an unknown risk. Here is a clue. If what you would like to happen doesn't then the trend is not supporting the condition you like. You can know that on the first tried bet. There is one thing though. The singles on the weak side support trying a second bet. Anything else does not. So no matter what you read as a trend or pattern a first lost try is the line in the sand. It's the stop point. You don't keep trying to force that trend to work. A swarm of first try bets losing is what causes a lost session if you use the first try rule. I suggest that you get off bad streaks. It really comes down to seeing good looking trends and having very bad timing when you try them out. That is the only problem with a losing streak. So the rule is get off after a lost bet. It's an indicator that the trend has ended.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 01, 08:02 AM 2019
Are you the new turbo ?
Welcome to the club !
Random beats random, or ???
Boom boom.. bang bang, let’s party !!!
Turbo is a master craftsman of mechanical system building and testing. He jumps from one contraption to another. It always sounds plausible at first. These systems are always abandoned to support the next Rube Goldberg idea.
I have only wavered once in the past 14 years. I went from EC's to double dozens and then back to Ec's. It's always been reading randomness all the way. It's always been the effectiveness states and the global effect. It's always been trend and pattern characteristics. And in the past two years I added self control rules, mainly for myself, but also to confirm validation. I've also done one other thing that Turbo has not done. I disclosed everything and answered all questions openly without fear of letting any secrets out. I'm telling all and helping anyone that works to learn it. It's funny. It's published there among all the criticism, skepticism, and trolling. But it is discussed here openly and respectably by the most interesting people on the internet. There are people that are sure that it can't work. But they ask tough questions and that makes the discussion good. There are also people that have amazed me as to how good they are at it. It's no longer mine. People are taking over as they get really good at it. This has been my plan all along. It will be taken out of my hands and continued by anyone that becomes an expert of it.
All I did was open the eyes. I shared two or three basic patterns. I made sure people could see these patterns before continuing. In the hands of a real expert there are 100's of sequences, trends, patterns, and domination formations. But there is still the one basic rule. That rule is to bet big when you are in a win streak and bet small when you aren't. All I did was to take trends and patterns and apply them happening at the same time with win streak occurrences.
i checked all available software easy to access, and found Roulette Predictor android app , better. It predicts 5 numbers and with progression.
How it works.It finds pattern of 6 numbers, when 6 numbers sum is >=100 and <=135 then it find the two numbers as below
First number
while (this.sum >= 37) {
first number= this.sum -= 37;
}
2nd Number
if (first number * 2 > 37) {
2nd number = (first number * 2) - 37;
} else {
first number = this.sum * 2;
}
once tow number found then other 3 number this app calculates static.
e.g first number found is 1 then 2nd number is 1*2=2
and 3rd ,4th, 5th number as below for this combination
if (first number== 1) {
3rd number= 6;
4th number = 36;
5th number = 31;
}
this works well , and fails also, but i will give ranking to this formula 6.5 out of 10.
It works on auto roulette and live table(where ball spins both directions there i found this better then one direction).
Developer created cleverly , from 6 numbers combination, where is more probability of ball , as in above case, low high numbers are neighbors,
all other combinations as below where this .sum is first number , and other numbers 3, 4 and 5.This app is freely available, and i suggest to try and if better buy(add free) (very minimal amount) to support this developer.
if (this.sum == 36) {
this.f8257o[2] = 6;
this.f8257o[3] = 1;
this.f8257o[4] = 31;
}
if (this.sum == 31) {
this.f8257o[2] = 6;
this.f8257o[3] = 36;
this.f8257o[4] = 1;
}
if (this.sum == 32) {
this.f8257o[2] = 35;
this.f8257o[3] = 5;
this.f8257o[4] = 2;
}
if (this.sum == 35) {
this.f8257o[2] = 32;
this.f8257o[3] = 5;
this.f8257o[4] = 2;
}
if (this.sum == 5) {
this.f8257o[2] = 2;
this.f8257o[3] = 35;
this.f8257o[4] = 32;
}
if (this.sum == 2) {
this.f8257o[2] = 35;
this.f8257o[3] = 32;
this.f8257o[4] = 5;
}
if (this.sum == 3) {
this.f8257o[2] = 34;
this.f8257o[3] = 33;
this.f8257o[4] = 4;
}
if (this.sum == 34) {
this.f8257o[2] = 3;
this.f8257o[3] = 4;
this.f8257o[4] = 33;
}
if (this.sum == 33) {
this.f8257o[2] = 3;
this.f8257o[3] = 4;
this.f8257o[4] = 34;
}
if (this.sum == 4) {
this.f8257o[2] = 3;
this.f8257o[3] = 34;
this.f8257o[4] = 33;
}
if (this.sum == 7) {
this.f8257o[2] = 30;
this.f8257o[3] = 25;
this.f8257o[4] = 12;
}
if (this.sum == 30) {
this.f8257o[2] = 7;
this.f8257o[3] = 25;
this.f8257o[4] = 12;
}
if (this.sum == 25) {
this.f8257o[2] = 7;
this.f8257o[3] = 30;
this.f8257o[4] = 12;
}
if (this.sum == 12) {
this.f8257o[2] = 25;
this.f8257o[3] = 7;
this.f8257o[4] = 30;
}
if (this.sum == 19) {
this.f8257o[2] = 18;
this.f8257o[3] = 13;
this.f8257o[4] = 24;
}
if (this.sum == 18) {
this.f8257o[2] = 19;
this.f8257o[3] = 24;
this.f8257o[4] = 13;
}
if (this.sum == 24) {
this.f8257o[2] = 13;
this.f8257o[3] = 18;
this.f8257o[4] = 19;
}
if (this.sum == 13) {
this.f8257o[2] = 24;
this.f8257o[3] = 18;
this.f8257o[4] = 19;
}
if (this.sum == 11) {
this.f8257o[2] = 8;
this.f8257o[3] = 29;
this.f8257o[4] = 26;
}
if (this.sum == 8) {
this.f8257o[2] = 11;
this.f8257o[3] = 29;
this.f8257o[4] = 26;
}
if (this.sum == 29) {
this.f8257o[2] = 11;
this.f8257o[3] = 8;
this.f8257o[4] = 26;
}
if (this.sum == 26) {
this.f8257o[2] = 8;
this.f8257o[3] = 11;
this.f8257o[4] = 29;
}
if (this.sum == 14) {
this.f8257o[2] = 20;
this.f8257o[3] = 23;
this.f8257o[4] = 17;
}
if (this.sum == 20) {
this.f8257o[2] = 14;
this.f8257o[3] = 23;
this.f8257o[4] = 17;
}
if (this.sum == 23) {
this.f8257o[2] = 17;
this.f8257o[3] = 20;
this.f8257o[4] = 14;
}
if (this.sum == 17) {
this.f8257o[2] = 20;
this.f8257o[3] = 14;
this.f8257o[4] = 23;
}
if (this.sum == 27) {
this.f8257o[2] = 28;
this.f8257o[3] = 9;
this.f8257o[4] = 10;
}
if (this.sum == 28) {
this.f8257o[2] = 27;
this.f8257o[3] = 9;
this.f8257o[4] = 10;
}
if (this.sum == 10) {
this.f8257o[2] = 9;
this.f8257o[3] = 27;
this.f8257o[4] = 28;
}
if (this.sum == 9) {
this.f8257o[2] = 10;
this.f8257o[3] = 27;
this.f8257o[4] = 28;
}
if (this.sum == 16) {
this.f8257o[2] = 15;
this.f8257o[3] = 22;
this.f8257o[4] = 21;
}
if (this.sum == 15) {
this.f8257o[2] = 16;
this.f8257o[3] = 22;
this.f8257o[4] = 21;
}
if (this.sum == 22) {
this.f8257o[2] = 15;
this.f8257o[3] = 16;
this.f8257o[4] = 21;
}
if (this.sum == 21) {
this.f8257o[2] = 16;
this.f8257o[3] = 15;
this.f8257o[4] = 22;
}
On this forum , one is posted MODI system, that works when ball hits one side of wheel, in that case he plays number, e.g if 12, 18, comes, he play, 12,14, 16 18.. in his system he ignores numbers which are more than 4, e.g 1,3,5,7,9, and i guess he play with 8 numbers,
other combinations are on that thread. this works when there is one side of wheel hitting more .I will give rating to this 5.5 out of 10
3rd is square magic, where with fallen of two numbers, its mirror is calculated, that is number -37 and then that mirror number is balance as per row and column of table, example, if 36 comes, then 36-37=1 and with 1 ,5,9 combination. this works in both direction, sometime same number combination and sometime mirror combination. i will give this rating 5 out of 10
and for me what i understand is best system is Vaadi system. where he plays in particular way. a balance game, in 8 turns he play 4 doubles, 4 sleepers and and 8 singles. if wheel is not in this pattren, then it follows some predictable pattren(my view). out of 36 numbers, as per math, 18 numbers can live alone , 6 numbrs must be neighbour then only 24 numbers, 6 numbers neighbour give rise to 12 doubles,(my view).
as roulette plays one 3rd of doubles , sleepers and singles , so this system also plays one 3rd of singles, (24) so one third is 8, etc a balance game
I found this better and my rating for this is 8 out of 10
before any game play, relax and see whats happening, can use roulette extreme for your system testing for some spins, once have overview of numbers, then only apply your system.
not waste your money on any application, either 5000 euro etc, all are crap.. let me know if there is any application to assess, or any system. or any mysterious method , best way to beat roulette is with accuracy and laying down bets on less numbers, for accuracy , VB or computer method is best , or patterns which lasts for time to time . or number combinations ...
dealer signature to found is bet mate, (poker face a youtube channle, i found best in that).
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