Hi all
It's been a while since I posted here and there is a reason for that. A few of you know me from helping with the Vaddis theorys and other systems. After a while I went quiet, so I'd like to share my story so other don't fall into the same hole I have fallen into.
A few months ago I was playing a system that I knew wasn't a long term winner but I was doing pretty well with.
Over time i managed to get around £2k up and was successfully meeting my target profit of around £125/day.
I was feeling good about myself, about money and was finally in a decent financial position for the first time in over a decade. I even managed to help my mother with money as she has been left in a really bad situation after a nasty divorce.
So fair to say things were looking up.
One evening I was more tired than usual after a busy day at work. I had already completed 4 out of the 5 £25 profit targets I aim to get throughout the day and was working on completing my last one.
Needless to say the wheel (or any wheel) wasn't going in my favour that night. I was semi-used to it as my system had it's dramatic ups and downs so i just thought it's one of those nights.
After a few losses I broke my cardinal rule of £200 stop-loss and kept going, so sure of myself what i needed what going to come up.
I ended up losing everything i worked for and all my savings i was using to pay off old debts, in total around £7k, which may not seem much to some of you, but has now put me and my family under a lot of stress and struggle.
It's so easy to keep going and going until you have nothing left. I know being tired that night didn't help and in hindsight i shouldn't have played at all but i got greedy and there isn't a moment that goes by where i don't kick myself for it.
I want my story to be a lesson to people out there that no matter how well you do with any system you might have, you ALWAYS need complete control and discipline to keep to the rules you set yourself so that you don't go under.
If you're not in the mood, or you're feeling under the weather or a bit tired, DON'T gamble. Don't feel like you NEED to meet your targets, don't force yourself to do it. You should to be clear headed so that you don't make stupid mistakes like i did, and now i'm paying the price.
I wish the best of luck to everyone on here.
Nice post bro.
I feel your pain I have been there done it and worn the T Shirt more than once in my life.
I solved the problem myself by limiting my access to cash.
If playing online I would have a daily deposit limit set with the casino in account settings which would be my stop loss amount. I would withdraw my entire balance at the end of each day.
I don't play online anymore preferring to play at real casinos in Asia because of the favourable currency exchange rate of Pounds into Pesos.
I protect myself by leaving my money and bank cards in my room safe at my hotel and only taking my stop loss amount with me to the casino.
I also make sure my hotel is at least half an hour away so by the time I get back to my room there is time for the red mist to disappear.
Also daily withdrawal limits on debit cards.
This is the biggest problem in all forms of gambling that all players must find ways to prevent happing.
The problem wasnt discipline. You could have just as easily won big. This time you lost big. That's what progressions do.
Progression is only different size bets on different spins, that each have the same odds. Its no different to random bets of random size.
Almost every system has the same accuracy as random. So what's the difference between random and the system? Nothing. The system working is in your head.
But it's the short term wins with progression that makes people thing the system "works", until it doesn't.
As i keep saying, you must increase accuracy of predictions. There's no other way.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Nov 25, 06:15 AM 2019
Nice post bro.
I feel your pain I have been there done it and worn the T Shirt more than once in my life.
I solved the problem myself by limiting my access to cash.
If playing online I would have a daily deposit limit set with the casino in account settings which would be my stop loss amount. I would withdraw my entire balance at the end of each day.
I don't play online anymore preferring to play at real casinos in Asia because of the favourable currency exchange rate of Pounds into Pesos.
I protect myself by leaving my money and bank cards in my room safe at my hotel and only taking my stop loss amount with me to the casino.
I also make sure my hotel is at least half an hour away so by the time I get back to my room there is time for the red mist to disappear.
Also daily withdrawal limits on debit cards.
This is the biggest problem in all forms of gambling that all players must find ways to prevent happing.
Thanks man, that's sound advice.
Unfortunately i don't have the time or resources to be able to travel to play, but i agree it's way too easy to spend everything you have online. All your money can be deposited in a click of a button.
I think modern society has lost its value of money by become pretty much cashless with things like contactless credit/debit cards. Pay for anything with a swipe or a click and you don't see or feel the impact until you look at your bank balance.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 25, 06:31 AM 2019This time you lost big. That's what progressions do
I agree Steve, I do in part believe i just had a really good streak of luck when i was up. I had hoped i had found something worth pursuing with the constant small wins i was getting but obviously i was very wrong.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 25, 06:31 AM 2019As i keep saying, you must increase accuracy of predictions
And i also agree. But how do you do this without expensive computers or Einstein level math? I'm just a mere mortal :(
Can you tell us how did you play? were you waiting for a trigger? what kind of bets did you play ? how is the progression?
how many days was your method successful ? ..
maybe i can help you...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 25, 07:07 AM 2019
Can you tell us how did you play? were you waiting for a trigger? what kind of bets did you play ? how is the progression?
how many days was your method successful ? ..
maybe i can help you...
I was using a EC pattern based system which goes as follows:
I would write down the following patterns for Red/Black:
RRR
RRB
RBR
BRR
BBB
BBR
BRB
RBB
As spins come up i would strike off each pattern as they appear until i had about 3 or 4 left then bet on the next pattern, for example:
the following spins have come up:
B, R, R, R, B, R,
From this i have ticked off:
BRR
RRR
RRB
RBR
Leaving the patterns left:
BRB
BBR
BRB
RBB
So as all of remaining patterns require a black to complete, i'd bet black. That's a perfect scenario for me there.
Quote from: Sparks on Nov 25, 06:36 AM 2019And i also agree. But how do you do this without expensive computers or Einstein level math? I'm just a mere mortal
You dont need a Ferrari to drive to Walmart. Start with basic visual ballistics. There are numerous other techniques that work. Start small.
You dont need to beat every wheel. You only need to beat enough.
Don't play in difficult conditions. Choose the easiest conditions. If you can't find them, dont play.
Do this, then you won't be a millionaire, but you'll likely supplement existing income nicely.
People underestimate how much of roulette is a mind game. Among other things, you must overcome pre-conceived beliefs about how things should be.
Hi Sparks, sorry to hear about your loss, but I'm just wondering whether you kept a record of the results that night?
I'm assuming that if you had kept to your usual stop loss you might still be playing the same system now and winning (on balance) with it. And Steve has assumed you were using a progression which might not have been the case.
What kind of system was it? Sorry, just seen your above post.
BTW, you can still lose discipline when using a computer or AP. There's no silver bullet.
Your system went wrong in the same place as usual systems. Your bet selection or triggers were no better than random bets.
Quote from: Sparks on Nov 25, 07:23 AM 2019
I was using a EC pattern based system which goes as follows:
I would write down the following patterns for Red/Black:
RRR
RRB
RBR
BRR
BBB
BBR
BRB
RBB
As spins come up i would strike off each pattern as they appear until i had about 3 or 4 left then bet on the next pattern, for example:
the following spins have come up:
B, R, R, R, B, R,
From this i have ticked off:
BRR
RRR
RRB
RBR
Leaving the patterns left:
BRB
BBR
BRB
RBB
So as all of remaining patterns require a black to complete, i'd bet black. That's a perfect scenario for me there.
ok, i assume you were progressing with a negative martingale?
how far did you go with the progression?
And although the loss is painful, treat it like an expensive lesson. Money comes and goes. Soon you'll see it as past. Don't hang on it. I've lost far more to scams and it still makes me angry. But if you dwell on it too much, the wasted time and energy is more costly than the loss you're angry about. Costly both financially and emotionally. So focus on making money and moving forward. But i suggest dont look at casinos for some time at least, winning system or not. You might end up chasing losses and worsening the situation.
Quote from: Sparks on Nov 25, 07:23 AM 2019I was using a EC pattern based system which goes as follows:
I would write down the following patterns for Red/Black:
RRR
RRB
RBR
BRR
BBB
BBR
BRB
RBB
As spins come up i would strike off each pattern as they appear until i had about 3 or 4 left then bet on the next pattern, for example:
the following spins have come up:
B, R, R, R, B, R,
From this i have ticked off:
BRR
RRR
RRB
RBR
Leaving the patterns left:
BRB
BBR
BRB
RBB
So as all of remaining patterns require a black to complete, i'd bet black. That's a perfect scenario for me there.
That's a losing system all right. I wrote a simulation for it some months ago. There was a lot of hype about it at the time from the guy who created it. He's been around forums a long time and one of his names was John Legend.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 25, 07:29 AM 2019ok, i assume you were progressing with a negative martingale?
how far did you go with the progression?
Yep pretty much. Started off small with £1 until i build up a balance of around £200, that bumped up to £2 and so on until i got to about £5 with the balance i had.
Simple marty up to 4 losses then change table and start again.
But because i tilted so hard i ended up betting a lot more than normal and abandoned the system
Quote from: Steve on Nov 25, 07:31 AM 2019But i suggest dont look at casinos for some time at least, winning system or not
Yes i banned myself from playing for around 4 months or so now. Hence why i'm back with a clear head to see what's been going on so far. Won't play until i see something solid or worth investigating further myself in excel with thousands of recorded spins
Negative progressions = small wins often, 1 big loss rarely
Positive progressions = small losses often, 1 big win rarely (but in the long run, not enough to cover the many small losses)
Quote from: Steve on Nov 25, 07:31 AM 2019Costly both financially and emotionally
Yes definitely, Christmas is going to be very hard on us this year, as I have 2 kids under 3 years old and now because of my lack of control will now need to go without this year just so i can pay the bills.
I can't stress enough how much I want people to learn from my mistakes and always make sure you know what you're doing before you flood money into the pockets of fat casino owners
You shouldn't offer advice on this Steve as you're not a gambler.
Your only interest is selling roulette computers.
Why can't you be honest about this instead of denouncing negative progressions.
Sorry to hear what happened to you Sparks. I experienced it myself how hard it is to lose when you are winning every day for a while. With progression, my longest run was about 40 winning days in a row. Then bad luck came, put me on tilt and I lost it all. It happened a number of times. Sometimes I bet my monthly salary on a single spin when the progression got out of hand. :o
But those dark days are over. I accepted that I cannot win and there are much more important things to spend the money on.
I recommend you also make peace with the loss, accept that you will not win it back and practice self control.
I proved myself that I can be responsible, I have â,¬1K deposited on my online casino account and I have not touched it in 4 years. I only play with fake money or in excel simulations.
Thanks ati. It's crazy how easy it is to get carried away. Glad to hear you're past your dark days and have moved forward as well. Well done
all The best to you .
Did you test to see what was the biggest loss your system has before playing fo real ?
Quote from: Let Me Win on Nov 25, 09:15 AM 2019
You shouldn't offer advice on this Steve as you're not a gambler.
Your only interest is selling roulette computers.
Why can't you be honest about this instead of denouncing negative progressions.
Negative progressions will help you win millions. Casinos have tried to hide this since they existed. You are an expert. Progressions are the key. They are more than just different size bets on independent spins with the same odds.
Is this better?
Negative progressions = chasing your losses. Gambling addicts frequently do it while chain smoking.
The tag team duo of Steve and The General are completely missing the point because they have no experience of it because they are not gamblers.
A negative progression is a flat bet.
Example I martingale five times until I lose five in a row end season so my flat bet is 31 units 1+2+4+8+16
What happened to Sparks or going on tilt or chasing or our local expression 'doing your conkers' is nothing to do with negative progression.
It's a completely separate beast.
Quote from: The General on Nov 27, 01:01 AM 2019
Negative progressions = chasing your losses. Gambling addicts frequently do it while chain smoking.
Someone showed me a genius system, he bets 24 dynamic numbers, he just waits for three misses in a row as a trigger and start a 7 steps progression.
It never lost ! Even after 25000 spins !
Quote from: Let Me Win on Nov 27, 02:23 AM 2019The tag team duo of Steve and The General are completely missing the point because they have no experience of it because they are not gamblers.
You're right. We're not gamblers. Being a gambler is the stage before becoming an advantage player.
We've been where most players are. We know where it leads.
For myself personally, i understand the mentality of gamblers and fallacy. So i understand why some players are slow to progress.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 02:51 AM 2019he just waits for three misses in a row as a trigger and start a 7 steps progression.
Does waiting for 3 blacks make red more likely to spin next? The trigger doesnt work. Your win rate is still the same.
Recognize when something is the same crap, and move to something new.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 02:51 AM 2019
Someone showed me a genius system, he bets 24 dynamic numbers, he just waits for three misses in a row as a trigger and start a 7 steps progression.
It never lost ! Even after 25000 spins !
0x9=0: bet on 1/2 1 - 2,3,4 11,12,13 20,21,22 29,30,31
1 1x9=9: bet on 1/2 2 - 5,6,7 14,15,16, 23,24,25 32,33,34
2 2x3=6: bet on 3/1 3 - 8,9,1 17,18,10 26,27,19 35,36,28
3 3x3=9: bet on 1/2
4 4x6=24: bet on 2/1
5 5x6=30: bet on 2/3
6 6x6=36: bet on 3/1
7 7x6=42: bet on 2/1
8 8x9=72: bet on 3/1
9 9x9=81: bet on 2/1
10 10x9=90: bet on 2/1
11 11x3=33: bet on 2/3
12 12x3=36: bet on 2/3
13 13x3=39: bet on 1/3
14 14x6=84: bet on 3/1
15 15x6=90: bet on 1/3
16 16x6=96: bet on 1/2
17 17x9=153: bet on 3/2
18 18x9=162: bet on 3/2
19 19x9=171: bet on 1/3
20 20x3=60: bet on 2/1
21 21x3=63: bet on 1/3
22 22x3=66: bet on 3/1
23 23x60=138: bet on 3/1
24 24x6=144: bet on 2/3
25 25x6=150: bet on 3/1
26 26x9=234: bet on 3/1
27 27x9=243: bet on 2/1
28 28x9=252: bet on 2/1
29 29x3=87: bet on 2/3
30 30x3=90: bet on 3/2
31 31x3=93: bet on 1/2
32 32x6=192: bet on 3/2
33 33x6=198: bet on 1/2
34 34x6=204: bet on 1/3
35 35x9=315: bet on 1/2
36 36x9=324: bet on 1/2
Quote from: Martin369 on Nov 27, 05:41 AM 2019
0x9=0: bet on 1/2 1 - 2,3,4 11,12,13 20,21,22 29,30,31
1 1x9=9: bet on 1/2 2 - 5,6,7 14,15,16, 23,24,25 32,33,34
2 2x3=6: bet on 3/1 3 - 8,9,1 17,18,10 26,27,19 35,36,28
3 3x3=9: bet on 1/2
4 4x6=24: bet on 2/1
5 5x6=30: bet on 2/3
6 6x6=36: bet on 3/1
7 7x6=42: bet on 2/1
8 8x9=72: bet on 3/1
9 9x9=81: bet on 2/1
10 10x9=90: bet on 2/1
11 11x3=33: bet on 2/3
12 12x3=36: bet on 2/3
13 13x3=39: bet on 1/3
14 14x6=84: bet on 3/1
15 15x6=90: bet on 1/3
16 16x6=96: bet on 1/2
17 17x9=153: bet on 3/2
18 18x9=162: bet on 3/2
19 19x9=171: bet on 1/3
20 20x3=60: bet on 2/1
21 21x3=63: bet on 1/3
22 22x3=66: bet on 3/1
23 23x60=138: bet on 3/1
24 24x6=144: bet on 2/3
25 25x6=150: bet on 3/1
26 26x9=234: bet on 3/1
27 27x9=243: bet on 2/1
28 28x9=252: bet on 2/1
29 29x3=87: bet on 2/3
30 30x3=90: bet on 3/2
31 31x3=93: bet on 1/2
32 32x6=192: bet on 3/2
33 33x6=198: bet on 1/2
34 34x6=204: bet on 1/3
35 35x9=315: bet on 1/2
36 36x9=324: bet on 1/2
Hi
What’s that ? Can u please elaborate bit more ?
Thx
Quote from: Steve on Nov 27, 05:39 AM 2019
Does waiting for 3 blacks make red more likely to spin next? The trigger doesnt work. Your win rate is still the same.
Recognize when something is the same crap, and move to something new.
No, red and black is totally a different story
I am talking about inside numbers !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 05:51 AM 2019
Hi
What’s that ? Can u please elaborate bit more ?
Thx
24 dynamic nummbers - w8 for some misses and bet.
Example - if nummber 20 comes the list is showing you need to bet on 2/1 that means you have to bet on this nummbers
2 - 5,6,7 14,15,16, 23,24,25 32,33,34
1 - 2,3,4 11,12,13 20,21,22 29,30,31
GO look live roulette and count how much times you gona hit.
U welcome!
Quote from: Martin369 on Nov 27, 06:01 AM 2019
24 dynamic nummbers - w8 for some misses and bet.
Example - if nummber 20 comes the list is showing you need to bet on 2/1 that means you have to bet on this nummbers
2 - 5,6,7 14,15,16, 23,24,25 32,33,34
1 - 2,3,4 11,12,13 20,21,22 29,30,31
GO look live roulette and count how much times you gona hit.
U welcome!
What should I understand from your comment ?
Are you saying this technique is a winner or loser ?
Tell us the summary !
I ran a simulation over 25k spins, result showed that it never went beyond 8 misses in a row, I pick the 24 numbers dynamically according to a rotation logic.
If one waits for 3 misses as a trigger, he needs then 5 attempts at max to hit !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 06:08 AM 2019
What should I understand from your comment ?
Are you saying this technique is a winner or loser ?
Tell us the summary !
I ran a simulation over 25k spins, result showed that it never went beyond 8 misses in a row, I pick the 24 numbers dynamically according to a rotation logic.
If one waits for 3 misses as a trigger, he needs then 5 attempts at max to hit !
You mean, you bet just 24 selected nummbers all time, and they dont miss more that 8 times? What i posted is 24 nummbers that are not alweys the same, after nummbers hits, you need to bet next streets what that nummber are showing. I played this 24 nr they run good, never lost, you just need a big bankrol and w8 for some misses like how you sed, w8 for 3 misses. Now i dont play this 24 nr, im doing 12 to 4 nr.
Quote from: Martin369 on Nov 27, 06:52 AM 2019
You mean, you bet just 24 selected nummbers all time, and they dont miss more that 8 times? What i posted is 24 nummbers that are not alweys the same, after nummbers hits, you need to bet next streets what that nummber are showing. I played this 24 nr they run good, never lost, you just need a big bankrol and w8 for some misses like how you sed, w8 for 3 misses. Now i dont play this 24 nr, im doing 12 to 4 nr.
No, numbers aren’t the same !
That’s why I said dynamic numbers not static
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 07:06 AM 2019
No, numbers aren’t the same !
That’s why I said dynamic numbers not static
Okei, i got it now, im just new to this site and my english is just on progression :thumbsup: didnt get the slang words, but im learning. Okei then you are on good s.hit man, coz if you miss just 8 times thats a nice signe. Do your thing, updeit as how are you doing when you will start to put on some money and Good Luck ofcorse!
And how are you guys doing in here, you tell all your strategys to others or you dont tell nothing, just brag about it that you have somthing?
Did you got my msg Ruletebeater cople days back?
Quote from: Martin369 on Nov 27, 08:08 AM 2019
Okei, i got it now, im just new to this site and my english is just on progression :thumbsup: didnt get the slang words, but im learning. Okei then you are on good s.hit man, coz if you miss just 8 times thats a nice signe. Do your thing, updeit as how are you doing when you will start to put on some money and Good Luck ofcorse!
And how are you guys doing in here, you tell all your strategys to others or you dont tell nothing, just brag about it that you have somthing?
Did you got my msg Ruletebeater cople days back?
No I didn’t get your message
Cigarettes aren't candy and chasing your losses with negative progressions is a bad idea.
Up as you win progressions make the most sense mathematically.
Quote from: The General on Nov 27, 07:02 PM 2019
Up as you win progressions make the most sense mathematically.
Aside from the bet selection method I'd love to read why "Up as you win progressions make the most sense mathematically".
Quote from: Kav on Nov 27, 07:50 PM 2019
Aside from the bet selection method I'd love to read why "Up as you win progressions make the most sense mathematically".
I'm sure you would. I've posted it before on your website. It was one of my many posts that you randomly chose to delete.
Good luck finding it. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Kav on Nov 27, 07:50 PM 2019
Aside from the bet selection method I'd love to read why "Up as you win progressions make the most sense mathematically".
Because if you have an edge, you amplify your profit.
If you don't have an edge, your bankroll decreases. So do your bets, and rate of loss.
I mean if :
"Progression bets are nothing more than different size bets on different spins."
Then up as you win or up as you lose make no difference if you have an edge.
Quote from: Kav on Nov 28, 01:36 AM 2019"Progression bets are nothing more than different size bets on different spins."
Correct. So a bigger bet amplifies losses or profits, depending on your edge.