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Title: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 06:32 PM 2019
This post is a tutorial on how to write code in python to analyse the possibility of advantage play.

Let's start with creating a list that will contain 9 random spins  that will represent Red Black sequences.

(link:s://i.ibb.co/b6vkHnf/IMG-20191209-002347.png)

More steps later ..
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 07:10 PM 2019
The purpose of our code will be to pinpoint the exact probabilities of winning given the occurrence of certain events, such as having to bet on both Black and red at the same time which causes us a problem.

What we need to do is :
See if we ignore the bets that require betting on both chances what is the expected value if we do that.

Next we try to continue our bet in the next cycle after ignoring the mutual bet scenario, what will be the expected value of this strategy as well.

We also want to know the exact probabilities for a cycle ending with a given arithmetic progression out of the 16 possible APs.

All this is possible with python.

Now for beginners, once the code is complete I will tell you where you can run the code online for free to make your own observations.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 07:16 PM 2019
With my philosophy and my school of thought, if you don't get a winning system you get a skill that Will get you a high paying job.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: donik7777 on Dec 08, 07:43 PM 2019
Thank you Kali!
Python is nice tool for QA
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 07:45 PM 2019
Always be professional in your steps towards clarity :)

A photo of my board writing the code :

(link:s://i.ibb.co/HVMwWs0/IMG-20191209-014117.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Steve on Dec 08, 08:23 PM 2019
No matter how elaborate a system is, it almost never changes the accuracy. So it's no different to random bets.

The solution? Check your bet selection actually changes accuracy. Test enough spins to be sure results arent luck. It's simple with automated software.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 08:29 PM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Dec 08, 08:23 PM 2019
No matter how elaborate a system is, it almost never changes the accuracy. So it's no different to random bets.

The solution? Check your bet selection actually changes accuracy. Test enough spins to be sure results arent luck. It's simple with automated software.

I totally agree.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 08:31 PM 2019
The best thing about automated software is the ability to verify your thinking processes on the fly.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 08:42 PM 2019
What most roulette players don't realize, especially new ones, is the fact that the longer you study randomness the more your brain evolves in predicting the next state of affairs in any given situation in life.
So my promise here is that the mystical journey of finding the holy grail through roulette, will show you things even scientists won't be able to explain because it goes right into the fundamental questions of existence.

You are no.longer dealing with just a casino game you are dealing with life itself and that is very complex as we all know.

As a wise man once said fortune favors the brave.

Regards,
Kali
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 08:53 PM 2019
Guys if you don't know what the term "expected value" means in mathematics just vote explain in the poll above this post.

Regards,
Kali

Note : if you have a mobile phone running Android, you can follow the tutorial with me as we go by installing Termux Application.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 09:16 PM 2019
The final code will be deployed to a github repository and you will be able to clone it to your mobile phone via Termux Teminal, and then run it and make changes according to your intelligence.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 08, 09:20 PM 2019
For those interested in Vdw analysis only, you can run the completed snippets of the code in the Pynative website which supports the latest version of python.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 09, 01:10 PM 2019
As a professional roulette player, your mind is constantly building new strategies, so using python to verify them will allow you to grow your programming skills in the data science field.

Ziprecruiter website estimates that an entry-level Python programmer salary should range somewhere around the $80,270 annual mark (that's $6689 per month).

Keep in mind that there are plenty of freelancing jobs for python developers, that means you can keep your current job while having other passive income sources available.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Person S on Dec 09, 02:07 PM 2019
Kali let's look at VDW. If this brings new aspects to our understanding, it will make sense. If you look at old topics, then this is basically a zero-span game, I also spent a lot of time testing it using various approaches, but in random order there are places where the variance begins. At this point, the use of progressions begins and most often leads to a loss of bankroll.
PS.: I think I also got into the first group, but never received the software ...
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 09, 02:37 PM 2019
Quote from: Person S on Dec 09, 02:07 PM 2019
Kali let's look at VDW. If this brings new aspects to our understanding, it will make sense. If you look at old topics, then this is basically a zero-span game, I also spent a lot of time testing it using various approaches, but in random order there are places where the variance begins. At this point, the use of progressions begins and most often leads to a loss of bankroll.
PS.: I think I also got into the first group, but never received the software ...

To design the right progression you will need the exact probabilities for every situation within a cycle In order to calculate the expected value.

We will get to this stage soon, about the software for the other post, I will email you the details, I am working on several projects at the same time, so it takes me a while to contact all members of my team, those from this forum and others I met in Casinos and universities.

Regards,
Kali
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 09, 02:43 PM 2019
By the way, just looking at the 16 possible APs, I noticed that it is possible to have an edge playing the right way.

I will add this observation to our code and post it here.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 09, 03:37 PM 2019
Let's continue the tutorial,

The code for our first arithmetic progression (1-2-3)
After creating and generating a list of 9 spins looks like this :

(link:s://i.ibb.co/qBqPmBJ/IMG-20191209-212404.png)

To copy the code :
_______________________________________

import random
X = 9
ap1 = 0
i = 0
tlist = [X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X]
while i != 9:
  print("___________________ ", i)
  print("                    ")
  x = random.choice([0,1])
  tlist = x
  i = i + 1
  print(tlist)
  if i == 3:
     if tlist[0] == tlist[1] == tlist[2]:
         ap1 = ap1 + 1
         print("You win", ap1)
  if  i != 3:
         pass
________________________________________

Running the code will show us the following output :

(link:s://i.ibb.co/rHj9L1C/IMG-20191209-212318.png)

It shows "You Win 1"
When the the first 3 spins were all red or all black which means the completion of an AP.

Next step is to write the code for the rest of the APs.

Regards,
Kali
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 09, 09:59 PM 2019
Many members asked me for more information about my earlier concepts on other posts, later I will give you the name of my channel on Medium app where you can explore premium strategies.

Regards,
Kali
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: stringbeanpc on Dec 10, 04:49 PM 2019
Quote from: Kali49 on Dec 09, 02:43 PM 2019
By the way, just looking at the 16 possible APs, I noticed that it is possible to have an edge playing the right way.
I will add this observation to our code and post it here.

Looking forward to whatever you wish to share regarding "playing the right way"

Before when I looked at this VdW, I found the best solution was to bet the most recent side that repeated.

oldest R R B B R B R B B newest
in this situation after the 4th spin you have 2 reds and 2 blacks, with the 2 blacks being the most recent, and a win would occur on AP 468

But this is not applicable in a choppy situation. ie oldest R B R B R B R B R newest

Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 13, 12:29 AM 2019
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Dec 10, 04:49 PM 2019
Looking forward to whatever you wish to share regarding "playing the right way"

Before when I looked at this VdW, I found the best solution was to bet the most recent side that repeated.

oldest R R B B R B R B B newest
in this situation after the 4th spin you have 2 reds and 2 blacks, with the 2 blacks being the most recent, and a win would occur on AP 468

But this is not applicable in a choppy situation. ie oldest R B R B R B R B R newest

It seems from the final output of my analysis that Vdw can really be used to play with an edge, it took me three days to finish the code.

Just look very carefully you will find interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Person S on Dec 13, 09:38 AM 2019
In one of the topics, Falkor conducted a million tests in the hope of finding an advantage, but, unfortunately, he failed.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Person S on Dec 13, 09:51 AM 2019
I think if we play a mathematical game, then every decision on bets should be justified by mathematics.
It will be accurate enough.
If we play with luck, then luck is our guideline.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Herby on Dec 13, 10:50 AM 2019
Quote from: Kali49 on Dec 13, 12:29 AM 2019It seems from the final output of my analysis that Vdw can really be used to play with an edge, it took me three days to finish the code.

From the view of my little understanding of the English language if you use the words "it seems" to me it seems you are not quite sure of a VdW edge.
3 days to finish the code seems to me to be a too long time. (Yes I programmed VdW on my own few years ago)


Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 13, 10:24 PM 2019
Quote from: Herby on Dec 13, 10:50 AM 2019
From the view of my little understanding of the English language if you use the words "it seems" to me it seems you are not quite sure of a VdW edge.
3 days to finish the code seems to me to be a too long time. (Yes I programmed VdW on my own few years ago)

It took me 30 minutes to finish the initial version of the code with the rules on all the forums online, three days to actually find one that delivers.

Anyways it's great that you wrote the code, would you mind sharing your results, please don't say the same thing everybody says, that you can't use Vdw to change the odds.

If you know coding you know to always double check your algorithm.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 13, 10:24 PM 2019
Quote from: Person S on Dec 13, 09:51 AM 2019
I think if we play a mathematical game, then every decision on bets should be justified by mathematics.
It will be accurate enough.
If we play with luck, then luck is our guideline.
Great thinking, right there.
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Steve on Dec 13, 10:27 PM 2019
Yes but the problem is most people who say that have no idea about the math. Their ideas are like "after lots of spins, there will be about half reds, half blacks (excluding 0). So let's wait for an imbalance, and bet on the least spun color... it's mathematically GUARANTEED!"
Title: Re: Breaking down Vdw with python
Post by: Kali49 on Dec 14, 12:08 AM 2019
Votes on the poll about the expected value is in favor of explaining what it means.
Next post will be an awesome explanation of the expected value and it's meaning and usefulness in this business.