Okay so I've been playing this system for over a month now without a single loosng day yet. The system seem to be very solid and I don't see how this can loose even longterm. Therefore I'm thinking of putting this out for sale with clear instructions so I can help some of you gain some good result, and at the same time help myself increase my bankroll faster and move up the stakes.
The system average atleast 100 units/hour playing online live dealers and is so far also viable on rng. Would be fun to know if anyone's interested.
All the best!
/BP12
Man you must explain on what it is based on.Why should it work so perfekt? Its physic?Tesla? Or anything Else?
Do you know how many Guys claiming or claimed in the past they have a winning system and finally they didnt or they were scammer!? You must prove it first to get Guys to buy...
Hi Clf7,
Yeah for sure! So the system is based on numbers repeating 3 times where I have found a way to take advantage of that. Ofc I will provide proof for those who's interested where I'm thinking of joining a live table and telling what numbers to bet and when. This would be a prety fair way to show the system and letting the potential buyer decide if this is something he would like to move forward with, don't you think?
No not only because you could have luck or so.You must prove like ignatus with testing and diagramms
Okay I see what you´re saying. The thing is that I'm not that good at those kind of things so that wouldn't bee possible for me. But to give you a teaser of what I'm talking about, go to any random roulette table online, look at the last 37 spins, my guess is that in most you will find atleast one number that hit 3 times or more. Was i right? :)
Ye but all systems with repeaters are failing finally....Its nothing new
It depends on how you approach them, but please prove me wrong. If you're interested i would like to give you a challenge.
Go through all the tables in an online casino, write down how many of the tables that didn't have a number that repeated 3 times in the last 37 spins. Please report back how many of them that didn't make it.
I think at the most or all the tables i will find,but whats your point?
The point is that there's only 1% chance of it not happening and therefore it's exploitable, this is what the system is based on. It also played at SU numbers with a mild progression wich means that even if we would hit that 1% cycle, we would still be able to recover in a few cycles.
As I said earlier I've been playing this every day now and not a single loosing day for the last month. And to be clear, this is just a check up if anyone's interested in learning this. Otherwise I'm gonna keep playing it myself.
How many loses in a row!? And If it is a winning system you can flat bet right!?
If you ever see 2 loses in a row please tell me because I havn’t seen it yet. Don’t know if this is making money flat betting, havn’t tried it and honestly I don’t see why you would play it that way. That would only make it slower and drag down the profits.
I ask because If a system has high accuracy and its a winning system you must winning with flat betting only.
And what will be the price for it?
To be honest I don’t really know what the price will be. My plan is to get someone interested and maybe run a test session, and after that let them lay an offer that they think is fair for the system. To me this system is worth alot but I also understand that not everyone has the opportunity or are willing to spend thousands on something they haven’t tried before. The range i guess would be around 500-2500$ with the opportunity to donate more along the way as a â€good-will†system
Will you make a live Session? I am interested to see,but to be honest i wont buy because 1.I dont think that systems Work and finally all of them fail and 2. If its a HG i dont have the money
I will do live sessions but only with the ones that’s actually interested in buying it. I respect your honesty and maybe this is something that will change along the way :)
I would be interested, but as been mentioned you need to give us some foundation of proof.
Hi Millward,
Glad to hear. Yeah ofc, wouldn’t expect something else. Feel free to write me a DM with what kind of proof you would like and we can arrange something.
A live session would be good ,what bankroll are you starting with
If you change your mind(for Guys not interested to buy) write me an e-mail:
heimatschutz1@gmail.com Thanks :thumbsup:
Actually we could do a joined session where i’m showing it for you both. It’s getting kind of late here so i’m gonna pm you guys some details and maybe we can do this tomorrow
OK
Your system seems interesting. I’d like to link up and try it. Don’t have much but if it looks promising willing to pay for it.
Hi,
I've coded many different plays with Excel. I can get you all the stats you want about 3-peaters in 37 spins, all the triggers you need and all the progression you can think of.
It will take me an hour or so, will make it apply to rngs or real numbers, whichever you feel like testing.
I'd be curious to see your idea and test it.
Hi bigbroben,
Yeah sure that would be great! I’m gonna pm you some instructions and maybe you can do some test and collect some data from it.
In 12 spins suppose 2 repeats, and I bet 2 numbers,, in 24 ,2 more repeats,, so now, 4 numbers,, if 34 ,, 10 doubles,,, no triple,, then what about progression,,, to catch one hit,, in 24 spins,,, this method not looks feasible.
Hi Elite,
Yeah when you look at it that way it wouldn’t be possible to play it profitible if you didn’t have an enormous bankroll. So the question is how can you make this playable? And I belive I got the key to that.
Feel free to drop a pm if you’re interested
In the meantime, let me share a file I've done a few weeks ago on 3-peaters.
So doing a test session in little more then an hour if we got everyone ready. If anyone that's interested in buying the system would like to join then pm me your skype name.
So another probitible day yesterday. Would like to say thanks to everyone that showed interest so far and also to clf7 for good talk yesterday after the quick session. Thinking of having another session maybe today or tomorrow so if anyone’s interested or have any questions feel free to drop me a pm or ask here
Thanks buddy
So i’ve been getting alot of the same questions so I guess I’ll wright down the answer here to save myself some time.
I do have a stoploss and it’s after spin 37. If not a hit then we take a loss and start over (1% of the time).
This is best played online since it’s easier to keep track and also it’s way less time consuming since you can move between different tables. It still works on real casino if that’s what you prefer.
Yes so far i’m 100% in winning days. That doesn’t mean it has to be the case for anybody else and therefore I don’t want to give out an gurantee. However if played right there is a big chance you will end up with alot of profitible days just like me.
And to end it all, today we ended up with a clean +500 units profit.
Thanks for your hints BP12. I'm trying playing this adding at all 2 repeaters, their neighbour 1+1 ... but still choosing for when start betting
Keep trying and you will find a way. Just be carefull not betting to many numbers.
Are you betting after the 18th spin ??
Yes most of the time.
Thankyou for the hint
So after 18 numbers your maybe putting 1 neighbours on any double number hit ??/......close
Ratio bankroll bets? Advice?
No neighbours included in my system but maybe you could find something that works with that aswell
Ok so we got some good information.
Thankyou for sharing.
I’m guessing some sort of trigger after 18 spins.??
Then betting on the doubles already there ,and keep betting on further doubles and before 37th spin one of them doubles will turn into a treble.
I’m just struggling to work out money management...if I’m on the right path.
you stop on the first win or continue up to 37
So i'd like to make a statement.
Up until now I've been very generous with the information that I've shared and also for the pricing of the system it self. That have led too alot of messages of people saying that their interested but not a single paying customer. Instead I've given out information for free that's been used to try solve the system, and even led too a discussion in my own thread wich I think is a bit disrespectful against me and my work that's behind finding the system. And I understand that not everyone has the funds to buy this and I also want to help those guys, but the whole reason why I put this system up for sale was to faster raise money to a good bankroll and move up the stakes, not spending time on answering questions and spending time on helping others and not get anything in return.
With that said, I'm gonna keep this thread open until the end of next week. If I still haven't found anyone interested in paying for my services I'll know that the need for my product isn't there and I will go back to focusing on my own play. If anyone would be interested in learning after that I will take a consulting fee of minimum 2500$. That way I'll know only serious player will contact me and I can spend time on something that actually benefit me.
That's all for now.
/BP12
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£2500 that is a lot of money for a system.
And are you 100% you have the winning system ,because you will have a lot of refunds to give.
I for one would be willing to donate when your winning system is proven like other people who share in here ??
After all I thought we were a community ??
Sure enough that’s a lot of money and I wouldn’t make any refunds. The reason is 1. I wouldn’t need to and 2. I wouldn’t sell to anyone that feel unsure of it.
There’s always a risk when playing that you make a misstake or you run into a really bad session. Therefore you can never promisse 100%. What I can say however is just yesterday i made +500 units and today i made +300 in little more then an hour.
When you keep on stacking winning days like this, this 500$ or 2500$ won’t take to long to regain depending on bankroll.
And once again, if you feel like this is to much I understand you and then this is nothing for you.
Quote from: Astrid Cruz on Jan 14, 07:47 PM 2020
I don't know how to create a new theme.
I can show you if you show me your digitals. :girl_to: Show me your vegetals.
QuoteI think I have discovered a way to win playing colors.
Why are you still/back to the EC Martingale step if allegedly Mr. Vaddi B gave you the HG, Sergiotina?
QuoteI am not going to reveal the system and I trust the person who sent it to me.
This man didn't ask me anything, just don't reveal it to anyone.
All I can say is that his name is David B. and he says he has been winning for more than a decade and is only for real money play.
The chart looks like typical progression betting with random bets. Try it with flat bets.
If a system doesnt win with flat bets, it will eventually lose with progression. If you don't understand why, learn why - stop wasting time.
Quote from: Astrid Cruz on Jan 14, 07:47 PM 2020
Hello Goodnight!
I don't know how to create a new theme.
When I have a while I start practicing and I think I have discovered a way to win playing colors.
I have practiced 1000 balls in the Extreme Roulette program sent to me by a guy from this forum.
I will try to put a picture of what the statistics put, I don't know if it will come out because it is the first time that I am going to put it, I hope so.
If you want we can talk a little about this, because I think it is possible that it also works on other things but I don't have enough experience to do it.
Blessings
So Astrid are you saying that you do hiave a way to play colors? I am very curious about that because I have been trying to crak that for the past 10 months. Thanks Astrid.
Please take this conversation in another thread or private.
So for those wishing for "proof" and graphs here's a test i just did of 16000+ spins. I could've just decided to edit out the -2000 units drop since I wouldn't have played that cycle because of to many numbers, and it would have made my graph look nicer. Though I figured it's good to have it still in there since it shows that the bankroll will recover in time. I guess this is the closest you can get of proof more then trying it out for yourself.
Big shoutout to Cristal2000 that build me a fantastic software that I could use for in game play and also do my own tests. Atleast now I got confirmed that my claims of the system being profitible in the long run, also shows in the tests and not only in my own live tests.
Cheers!
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 02:33 PM 2020
So for those wishing for "proof" and graphs here's a test i just did of 16000+ spins. I could've just decided to edit out the -2000 units drop since I wouldn't have played that cycle because of to many numbers, and it would have made my graph look nicer. Though I figured it's good to have it still in there since it shows that the bankroll will recover in time. I guess this is the closest you can get of proof more then trying it out for yourself.
Big shoutout to Cristal2000 that build me a fantastic software that I could use for in game play and also do my own tests. Atleast now I got confirmed that my claims of the system being profitible in the long run, also shows in the tests and not only in my own live tests.
Cheers!
So you have rediscovered the martingale.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 15, 02:46 PM 2020
So you have rediscovered the martingale.
You mean this chart is a normal martingale?
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 15, 02:55 PM 2020
You mean this chart is a normal martingale?
Looks like a typical system with progression. Go to google and type martingale chart. Looks almost identical.
Lol yeah sure..
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 03:07 PM 2020
Lol yeah sure..
Yeah, ignore my post. If anyone wants to buy this good luck to them. It’s not my money!
I mean what do you want me to say? NO IT´S NOT A SIMPLE MARTINGALE YOU'RE WRONG!!!!
The reason i posted this is because people wanted to see a graph where i showed the results, and if you don't like it I cba. The way I see it is that this is not a martingale. For me a martingale is doubling up until you reach a profit. This progression is way milder and that's the reason it hold over time. I'm just putting the information out there then it's up to you want you want to do with it.
Wish you all the best!
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 03:27 PM 2020
I mean what do you want me to say? NO IT´S NOT A SIMPLE MARTINGALE YOU'RE WRONG!!!!
The reason i posted this is because people wanted to see a graph where i showed the results, and if you don't like it I cba. The way I see it is that this is not a martingale. For me a martingale is doubling up until you reach a profit. This progression is way milder and that's the reason it hold over time. I'm just putting the information out there then it's up to you want you want to do with it.
Wish you all the best!
Most people on this forum are either too stupid or desperate for a get rich quick system that they can’t understand basic logic.
Anyway, if you think this works long term good luck with it!
So let me get this straight. From what I can remember I haven’t showed you the system and how it works. That means that you are drawing conclusion of it failing based on the graph that actually shows positive results? Hmm..
Anyway thanks for the good luck wishes, i wish the same to you and I’ll be sure to keep you updated on the results.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 03:48 PM 2020
So let me get this straight. From what I can remember I haven’t showed you the system and how it works. That means that you are drawing conclusion of it failing based on the graph that actually shows positive results? Hmm..
Anyway thanks for the good luck wishes, i wish the same to you and I’ll be sure to keep you updated on the results.
No not because of the graph. I just noticed the graph looks a lot like a martingale chart.
I think it won’t work because it is a system. Systems don’t work.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 15, 03:37 PM 2020Most people on this forum are either too stupid or desperate for a get rich quick system that they can’t understand basic logic.
lol, yes, it's really logical to believe that effects occur before their causes. ;D
I really don't think you're in a position to criticize system players. Try it when you have a sensible alternative.
Quote from: Joe on Jan 15, 03:59 PM 2020
lol, yes, it's really logical to believe that effects occur before their causes. ;D
I really don't think you're in a position to criticize system players. Try it when you have a sensible alternative.
I live in reality, I do not live in a materialist fantasy world made up of statistics.
You believe in the religion of scientists. You have to wait on their approval before you think for yourself.
I was once a lost fool who believed in a physicalism just like you, until I began to see the light.
You need to study more.
Have you seen the MPR leaderboard lately? Looks very sensible to sensible people.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 15, 04:08 PM 2020
I live in reality, I do not live in a materialist fantasy world made up of statistics.
You believe in the religion of scientists. You have to wait on their approval before you think for yourself.
I was once a lost fool who believed in a physicalism just like you, until I began to see the light.
Dude are you high?
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 04:12 PM 2020
Dude are you high?
No. Do you believe you can predict future spins from past spins?
I do belive I found an event that occurs 99% of the time and that I take advantage of it. If you call it predicting future spins then sure, I do that.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 15, 04:08 PM 2020You believe in the religion of scientists. You have to wait on their approval before you think for yourself.
I was once a lost fool who believed in a physicalism just like you, until I began to see the light.
You need to study more.
Actually, I used to be interested in that kind of stuff, when I was a teenager. You need to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. I've noticed that people who embrace that kind of drivel have a hard time facing reality. They need some kind of security blanket.
Imagination has its place, and it's important, but ideas and beliefs have to pass the reality test. Precognition doesn't I'm afraid.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 04:18 PM 2020If you call it predicting future spins then sure, I do that.
But do you "feel the energy"? ;) ;D
Lol
Quote from: Joe on Jan 15, 04:18 PM 2020
Actually, I used to be interested in that kind of stuff, when I was a teenager. You need to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. I've noticed that people who embrace that kind of drivel have a hard time facing reality. They need some kind of security blanket.
Seriously? You are so easy to read. Those are the same angsty remarks I remember saying to ‘spiritualists’ and ‘new agers’ until I found out this is actually true.
You are a typical skeptic. I was once a skeptic too, it’s nothing new.
Be a good boy and follow the scientific community and wait on your high priests, to give you permission to believe in precognition.
You don’t thing deeply enough to understand the things I am talking about.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 04:18 PM 2020
I do belive I found an event that occurs 99% of the time and that I take advantage of it. If you call it predicting future spins then sure, I do that.
Well, good luck with it!
Dude stop ruining my thread. Please write in private or something, Thank you!
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 15, 04:30 PM 2020
Dude stop ruining my thread. Please write in private or something, Thank you!
Lol sorry dude, didn’t mean to ruin the thread. Please accept my apology.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 15, 04:27 PM 2020Be a good boy and follow the scientific community and wait on your high priests, to give you permission to believe in precognition.
It's interesting that you criticize me in terms of what you think I believe, even describing scientists as priests. People like you never seem to understand that what's important is the evidence, not what any community says or what you believe.
There is no evidence for precognition, period. Thankfully we have developed a method which weeds out all the crap like that, but sadly there are many people like you who would have us go back to the dark ages.
Joe please, stop. Take this in private.
So back to the subject. As I mentioned earlier Cristal2000 has made an software that’s based on my strategy. For those who’s interested we’re gonna send out some time based trial version of this where you can try it yourself for a shorter period.
To get this you send me an email to risabp12@gmail.com from the mail you want this sent to and also include what’s your username in the forum. After that you will receive the software and you will have to confirm a code to get access to it. Hopefully you will find the results promissing and willing to invest in it.
Mail sent
Send make the code and I will activate it for you.
Just wanted to give my two cents on this post. I know our play is very similar so I feel I can give some value here. Of all the "systems" I've tried over the years what I'm doing now is by far the most profitable. Can't say I haven't had a losing session but I have NOT had a losing day since I started in late November. For those that say "oh..why haven't you become a millionaire yet with your system if it's so great". Well that's just not the way it works..a lot more to it then just becoming a millionaire overnight. Time, bankroll, table min/max, how big your balls are lol. I've never said this is an HG and I'm sure it's possible to lose your azz BUT it hasn't happened to me and I can't see it happening in the near future.
I came up with my version of the system while reading one thread on here and it was one single screenshot in that thread that turned the light bulb on. From then I worked a system, made small changes over time and most importantly made very specific rules and or laws that must be followed. VERY IMPORTANT. Otherwise it all goes to shat!
At some point it might bust me but until then I will play this way and only this way. Thanks and good luck to you all!
Rav
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 17, 05:53 PM 2020
Just wanted to give my two cents on this post. I know our play is very similar so I feel I can give some value here. Of all the "systems" I've tried over the years what I'm doing now is by far the most profitable. Can't say I haven't had a losing session but I have NOT had a losing day since I started in late November. For those that say "oh..why haven't you become a millionaire yet with your system if it's so great". Well that's just not the way it works..a lot more to it then just becoming a millionaire overnight. Time, bankroll, table min/max, how big your balls are lol. I've never said this is an HG and I'm sure it's possible to lose your azz BUT it hasn't happened to me and I can't see it happening in the near future.
I came up with my version of the system while reading one thread on here and it was one single screenshot in that thread that turned the light bulb on. From then I worked a system, made small changes over time and most importantly made very specific rules and or laws that must be followed. VERY IMPORTANT. Otherwise it all goes to shat!
At some point it might bust me but until then I will play this way and only this way. Thanks and good luck to you all!
Rav
So do you make good money with it? And will you Share?
Yes I make good money with it but it does take time..I suppose if you play on multiple tables it will go faster. I won't share anything regarding the system out of respect for the person who created this thread.
Spot on Rav, Thank you for the post!
No problem..just my opinion.
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 17, 06:04 PM 2020
Yes I make good money with it but it does take time..I suppose if you play on multiple tables it will go faster. I won't share anything regarding the system out of respect for the person who created this thread.
Hi!
Would you in PM?
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 17, 05:53 PM 2020I came up with my version of the system while reading one thread on here and it was one single screenshot in that thread that turned the light bulb on.
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 17, 06:04 PM 2020Yes I make good money with it but it does take time..I suppose if you play on multiple tables it will go faster. I won't share anything regarding the system out of respect for the person who created this thread.
Why not just show the topic and let other members see if they can get that light bulb moment.
General you need not try; you'll be looking for a wobbly wheel
BP
I sent u an email, thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 18, 12:21 PM 2020
Why not just show the topic and let other members see if they can get that light bulb moment.
General you need not try; you'll be looking for a wobbly wheel
Notto if the members not ready to pay for the information than I think it’s fair they do the research themself just like we did. We all have a choise to make, either you go the easy way and pay for the info and service that we have tested for you, or you go the hard way and do the research and test yourself. There’s already too many people trying to use other people and their hard work to their advantage, don’t you think?
Also I’ve answered the email Chris.
Hi BP12
Thanks for your reply .
Cheers
Chris
4600 spin tested
Even if stoploss are setted, still need to win about 10 times to break even. Absolutely not a HG. Hope helps not to buy this. If somebody buy this, he is stupid looser.
Is this on live tables
Dude it’s pretty unfair to recommend others to not buy this system since I’ve explained to you the stoploss of max -400 units and as you clearly can see you will recover this with no problem. And please stop saying it’s not a HG, I’ve never claimed it to be that. The only thing I said is that this is a system that wins and it will bring you profit if you play it right.
If you don’t think that’s enough then sure, don’t invest in it. But don’t tell others what to do espially when what you say don’t make sence. 10 times you gonna win easy and keep test and you will see.
The problem with most people in this forum is that they expect to win alot and it should also happen in a short period of time. If a system don’t do that then it’s bad and the person selling it is a scammer.
What you need to understand is that in order to be a winning player you need to be consistant in your results and see the longer run rather then short time profit. Sure you can win fast money and if your interested in that, then this system is nothing for you. The foundation of this system is built on taking advantage of an event that will occur in almost every cycle. This will get you in profit that will increase over time, and most important is that it’s consistant! And for all the â€stupid loosers†that’s interested in that, I will provide my services.
I have no problem with you not buying it, that just means that you don’t see the value in it and then you shouldn’t buy it either. However I don’t get why you say it won’t work long term since both me and Rav have tried the concept over time and both of us end up with a profit every day. As far as I know I haven’t send you the trial either so I don’t really know how you came to that conclusion.
I also find it a bit funny that you say you would’t sell Davids system, but you messaged me saying you wanted to trade it for mine. That means that either you tried to scam me or you just lied in your post since you’re prepared to give it away to someone else.
But thank you for showing interest and I wish you all the best of luck with Davids system.
Hi BP12
I have sent u the code to ur email address.
Cheers
Chris
Really, a winning system should look like this after 5000 spin test? Horrible, even Ignatus HG test results are better than this. Betting 82 units on single number , Jesus Christ :O
I hope nobody buyed this system. Dont be clown users, I hope helped somebody not spend for this 500-1000 euro. Test yourself. Long therm looser.
And no, the stoploss not helps here.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jan 19, 02:55 PM 2020Long therm looser.
Not what i see in the chart, it makes profit, (positive trend) before drop.... (like most systems ofc) but, perhaps it last longer yes? why you believe a roulettesystem will win forever? it doesnt work like that? ...
I don’t know if your just ignorant or just straight up dumb. That graph won’t tell you anything since it doesn’t have a stoploss programed to it. Test it manually and I promisse you won’t have the same graph. What you’re showing is a graph without any stoploss and that’s not how I play it. Before you bash on me and the system get your facts right and don’t show this kind of things that’s false.
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 19, 03:30 PM 2020
Not what i see in the chart, it makes profit, (positive trend) before drop.... (like most systems ofc) but, perhaps it last longer yes? why you believe a roulettesystem will win forever? it doesnt work like that? ...
Shouldn't you invent systems that improve over time?
If a system fails the longer you play it it means it will most likely fail in the short terms too. You never know when it is going to fail.
It could start failing within the first spin or in a million spins.
No need to be angry. As I said, stoploss not helps here. Precogmiles has right, if it fail, does not matter when it fails. A winnings system should be winning forever even with the losses what appears, the winnings should overcome after a short while. In this method it not happens. You guys should be thankful for me that I pay attention to you about this. Why not you programmed the stoploss limit? Because nothing change?
It is just betting every number which hit 2 times, start with 3 number, and stop to 11 with progression, nothing more.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 19, 03:34 PM 2020It could start failing within the first spin or in a million spins.
Im not going to HiJack this thread, but that is the question....a "solid system" can win for a couple of 100s or perhaps a cople of 1000s spins. But it will Always drop sooner or later yes.... Everything in Roulette is Hit´n Run and Moneymanagement. ofc..... You could play a "bad system" and be lucky for a couple of 100s spins, like most systems....This HG....seems to last longer, thanks to some special kind of progression+betselection... idk. but to Judge to quick is not good. you could say you got a "HG" if you can have a POSITIVE TREND for 500 spins, (most of the time) for an example...
So it's pretty clear that you don't understand the concept that's behind the system and also what makes it regain the losses we run in too (because it will be loosing cycles and since we know this we also prepared for it). Attached you will see a image of my session today that at first looks like we made almost 400 units in profit, but when you take a closer look you will find out that we was only about breakeven. The reason is we had a stop at -396 units and then in 5 session we made it back to be in profit again. We will be able to recover and we will also have longer streaks without any losses that will boost the profits. You can hate all you want but in the end you will just look foolish.
Also it's nice to see you in my thread Ignatus. I like the work you do and keep testing out your ideas cause they are well thought.
I just would like to add my 2 cents. I consider it to be a very good system. It is unimportant if the system looses
about 1% of the time.
Loosing from time to time is an inherent part of the game. Main thing is the system wins more than it looses.
I have been playing and studying roulette actively for several years. From my experience I fail to see how such a
smart system would not be a winner in the long run.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 19, 04:06 PM 2020but when you take a closer look you will find out that we was only about breakeven.
So you played almost 450 spins to breakeven?
How is that a useful advert for your system?
So the problem with people like you and Mister eko is that you only see what’s infront of you and judging it by that. You see a graph and the only thing you looking at is if it made alot of profit or not. The point I wanted to make with the image is that it shows that we will make back eventual loss and it will bring us into profit. Therefore it’s also a winning system over time as long as you follow the rules. Most of the days I’m fine without a singel loss, but I’m always prepared if the loss should come. Guys like you don’t concider the long run, you only see a breakeven or small profit and think it’s crap. As long as I make profit 25 days and breakeven without any loss the other days I would concider that good. But I don’t expect you to understand that.
And cheers Chris, well said.
Mail sent
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 19, 04:29 PM 2020
So the problem with people like you and Mister eko is that you only see what’s infront of you and judging it by that. You see a graph and the only thing you looking at is if it made alot of profit or not. The point I wanted to make with the image is that it shows that we will make back eventual loss and it will bring us into profit. Therefore it’s also a winning system over time as long as you follow the rules. Most of the days I’m fine without a singel loss, but I’m always prepared if the loss should come. Guys like you don’t concider the long run, you only see a breakeven or small profit and think it’s crap. As long as I make profit 25 days and breakeven without any loss the other days I would concider that good. But I don’t expect you to understand that.
And cheers Chris, well said.
So you basically have the HG? and Chris555p has confirmed you have the HG?
When did he ever once say he had the HG? In fact he's stated the exact opposite several times.. obviously you don't pay attention.
I don’t get why everyone is so obsessed with calling it a hg?? All I’m saying is that the system is winning and that’s it. I’m sure there’s other systems out there that also wins and maybe they even wins more than this does. But for god sake stop calling it a hg!
And by the way, thanks for proving my point in my earlier post.
I'm currently playing my version right now and going back and forth reading the shenanigans above lol. So much hate..if you don't like the system then say it and move on.
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 19, 04:55 PM 2020When did he ever once say he had the HG? In fact he's stated the exact opposite several times.. obviously you don't pay attention.
No I am not paying attention, I just read that him claiming "Therefore it’s also a winning system over time as long as you follow the rules.". Maybe you don't pay attention.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 19, 04:59 PM 2020I don’t get why everyone is so obsessed with calling it a hg?? All I’m saying is that the system is winning and that’s it. I’m sure there’s other systems out there that also wins and maybe they even wins more than this does. But for god sake stop calling it a hg!
It doesn't matter what you name it.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 19, 05:01 PM 2020And by the way, thanks for proving my point in my earlier post.
You're welcome.
One more thing...Precogmiles..for someone who gets a lot of negative feedback on what they believe in you sure do like to pass it on to others. I don't believe in the whole precog thing but I give you props for giving it all you got. Would never dog you for trying just because I don't agree. Know what I mean?
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 19, 05:09 PM 2020
One more thing...Precogmiles..for someone who gets a lot of negative feedback on what they believe in you sure do like to pass it on to others. I don't believe in the whole precog thing but I give you props for giving it all you got. Would never dog you for trying just because I don't agree. Know what I mean?
I appreciate that, but this is a forum and I thought I would give me opinion on this thread. I honestly wish you all the best and also BP.
If this is a system that always wins then it must be the HG and I would be interested, wouldn't everyone be interested?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 15, 03:52 PM 2020
I think it won’t work because it is a system. Systems don’t work.
Thought you didn’t belive in systems?
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 19, 05:28 PM 2020
Thought you didn’t belive in systems?
My point exactly. I don't believe it is a HG.
Me neither, I belive it’s a winning system.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 19, 05:32 PM 2020
Me neither, I belive it’s a winning system.
So it is not a HG but wins all the time?
Guys yet again you’ve fallen into a realm of finding the holy grail. And selling for £2500
This system works and works well but it needs tweaking ,but with the v8 tracker it’s an easy spot .
Come on V8 tracker works just as good
and I know the system
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 19, 05:47 PM 2020
So it is not a HG but wins all the time?
Miles I only know that it's won for me this far. Don't know what will happen in the future..you're the guy I guess I should ask for that info ;)
Why can't you guys share this " winning system"?? Ignatus is sharing systems on a daily basis. Let the community try it and lets see the truth if it is a winning system. :twisted: :smile:
Quote from: bluediamond2013 on Jan 19, 07:17 PM 2020
Why can't you guys share this " winning system"?? Ignatus is sharing systems on a daily basis. Let the community try it and lets see the truth if it is a winning system. :twisted: :smile:
He want money, nothing else. He said it is not HG, but a winning system, so winning system is not HG based on this.
from BP12 gives this system to everyone it may be that we can improve it, as things are going nobody will buy it ' ???
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 19, 05:58 PM 2020
Miles I only know that it's won for me this far. Don't know what will happen in the future..you're the guy I guess I should ask for that info ;)
So far... how many spins or sessions is that? This thread appeared just a few days ago.
For something to be sold for 2500$/â,¬/£, it at least has to have been giving this much profit to someone.
Anybody claims to be 2500u in profit with this system? How much money did the creator make playing it?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jan 19, 09:12 PM 2020
So far... how many spins or sessions is that? This thread appeared just a few days ago.
For something to be sold for 2500$/â,¬/£, it at least has to have been giving this much profit to someone.
Anybody claims to be 2500u in profit with this system? How much money did the creator make playing it?
I didn't pay for anything..our system of play is VERY similar and I've been playing this way since November 25th of 2019. So 55 days..I've had losing sessions but never a losing day. I don't record number of spins or number of sessions but I can tell you I surpassed $2500 in profit pretty quick. I will say this about it..of course it's exciting making money BUT its very tedious and you can't have any major distractions. You have to pay attention and be on point. Not sure if BP agrees with me on that but that's how I feel when playing it. When my wife or kids are home it's a no go..I have to have an empty house lol
It’s interested how you guys doesn’t seem to pay attention at all what I’m saying and I’m starting to realise that maybe this was a dumb idea of me. If you ACTUALLY reads my post when i tell you the price I say that the 2500$ will be if I don’t have any paying customer until end of this week. Then I know the interest isn’t there and I will focus on my own play. Until then I’m open for offers.
And the thing is that even if it was 2500$ that’s a totally fair price concider you will make that back and more if you follow the rules and pay attention just like Rav said. I still have some actual real players that testing it atm and also understand the logic behind it. I don’t think they will mind paying if they see the results. And again if it’s not something for you I understand and you’re welcome to leave the thread.
And to bigbroben I’m over 9000+ units so far so i guess you can say I made it passed that.
i found this system Ball24 . its similar to BP12 system.Tested wihtout progrssion , Loss is small, May be with progression it can work.
I have some points if any one can code on belwo program, pm me , i will share my thoughts to change below code to test this tripper system
system "ball 24 system"
{
NOTE: ** For Version 2.0.13 or better **
For documentation see this link:
link:://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=744&start=0
Basic instruction:
Select table (single or double)
Select number of spins to wait 24, 37, etc.
Select to bet on all numbers that have two hits during the X spins
and keep it static until a WIN or always check the last X spins and place
bets on all numbers with two hits.
Play until you get at least one hit then reset.
}
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
call "initialize";
call "input";
exit;
end
if any inside bet has won each time
or record "bet type" data = 2 //rolling bet type
begin
set flag "bets placed" to false;
end
track last number of record "track count" data to record "track spins" layout;
if record "track spins" layout count = record "track count" data
and flag "bets placed" is false
begin
call "count hits";
end
call "place bets";
end
method "place bets"
begin
set flag "bets placed" to false;
put 1 on record "wheel" layout index;
put 1 on record "wheel" data index;
loop until record "wheel" layout index > record "wheel" layout count
begin
if record "wheel" data = 2
begin
put 1 to record "wheel" layout;
set flag "bets placed" to true;
end
add 1 to record "wheel" data index;
add 1 to record "wheel" layout index;
end
end
method "count hits"
begin
clear record "wheel" data;
put 1 on record "wheel" layout index;
put 1 on record "wheel" data index;
loop until record "wheel" layout index > record "wheel" layout count
begin
put 1 on record "track spins" layout index;
loop until record "track spins" layout index > record "track spins" layout count
begin
if record "wheel" layout = record "track spins" layout
begin
add 1 to record "wheel" data;
end
add 1 to record "track spins" layout index;
end
add 1 to record "wheel" data index;
add 1 to record "wheel" layout index;
end
set max to record "track spins" layout index;
end
method "input"
begin
group
begin
display "Ball 24 by Rafin";
input dropdown "Wheel type
1:=Single Zero
2:=Double Zero" to record "wheel type" data;
input data "How many spins to track?" to record "track count" data;
input dropdown "Bet on static repeats or dynamic repeats.
1:=Static
2:=Dynamic" on record "bet type" data;
end
if record "wheel type" data = 1
begin
load single wheel;
end
else
begin
load double wheel;
end
end
{Initialize. Make a record "wheel" of all of the numbers.
Include the number 00 incase of American wheel.
}
method "initialize"
begin
set flag "bets placed" to false
clear record "track spins" layout;
put 24 on record "track count" data;
copy list [number 1, number 2, number 3, number 4, number 5, number 6,
number 7,
number 8, number 9, number 10,number 11,number 12,number 13,
number 14,number 15,number 16,number 17,number 18,number 19,
number 20,number 21,number 22,number 23,number 24,number 25,
number 26,number 27,number 28,number 29,number 30,number 31,
number 32,number 33,number 34,number 35,number 36,number 0,
number 00] to record "wheel" layout
clear record "wheel" data;
put 1 on record "bet type" data;
end
Hi everyone,
I've been reading this thread for a few days now, but I didn't wanted to say anything before testing the system that BP made. I can't say that I tested it a lot... aprox 6-700 spins yesterday. But, what can I say is that I didn't even reached the stoploss of 400units. Every session was in profit - starting from 3-4 units up untill 50-60 units/session, give or take.
You'll say that 6-700 spins is irrelevant. You are absolutely right, can't argue with that. But still... what I see on this thread leaves me..... mostly speechless. The man developed a system that seems to work for him and someone else playing aprox the same. Why can't you let him enjoy and be happy for him? And if he wants to sell it, so what? I agree that $2500 might be a high price to start, but who are we to put a price on his work???
In my opinion... what he did is great. Also... he gives you trial versions to prove that all he said is backed up. What else do we need?
I think the ones that are so.... haters... should reconsider their position.
Bottom line... great job BP12. Wish I had time to test it more, but still...
I think Ignatus can easily cod this system with a stoploss of 400 units. He is excellent in coding so everybody can see how this method performs in long therm. Just collect numbers, and if at least 3 numbers hit twice, start bet with negative lrogression. If numbers reach 11, or we are down -400 units, reset, and start again.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 20, 01:10 AM 2020
And to bigbroben I’m over 9000+ units so far so i guess you can say I made it passed that.
How high did you go up a progression, if any?
I coded many systems with auto-adjusting progression that do achieve very good results. Maybe 90% of runs win without needing to progress, another 9% stay below progression of 10, but there is always this one time where it goes past 100, 1000, 5000u per number. Yes, it can win a long time within table limits, but again, eventually, the run from hell comes by.
Every system is a HG, or wins more than it loses if it wasn't of table limits.
Were your 9000u achieved within plausible limits?
Are your units real money or simulation money?
Look:
R3-1: went up to 2500u or so with a max prog of 27.
R3-1: around the same result with a prog of 204.
Some trials are worse, some are better.
I could put a stop-loss or stop-prog, but it would soon or later create a downward staircase. And the sum of all results would be negative.
This is all based on rng. If, somehow, you are reading the wheel, doing some kind of accuracy increase, then sure, possible. But if it's just against random, then the -2,7% edge kicks in, soon or later, sue to table limit.
Yes it’s within limits. Yes it’s been played with real money.
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Jan 19, 05:58 PM 2020
Miles I only know that it's won for me this far. Don't know what will happen in the future..you're the guy I guess I should ask for that info ;)
lol, you don't need me to tell you a martingale will eventually fail. Especially when you have table limits and limited bankroll.
Casinos are not dumb.
This system has nothing to do with table limits. You should never be able to go that high that you can’t play it through. This is also a thing that people don’t think about. Plan for the worst case scenario regarding br and units to bet, then you will have an easy time being profitible.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 21, 09:52 AM 2020
This system has nothing to do with table limits. You should never be able to go that high that you can’t play it through. This is also a thing that people don’t think about. Plan for the worst case scenario regarding br and units to bet, then you will have an easy time being profitible.
Wondering if anybody purchased your system and what thr thoughts are? Had my first losing day yesterday only because I had a losing session early and had to cut off for family stuff. Just recouped and plan to play for a few more hours hopefully.
No not yet so I’m thinking of closing down the thread since noone seems to be prepared to invest in it. Well one loosing day in over a month of playing or more I would say is pretty okay :) though you hate too see it when it comes..
Been thinking of maybe try a leasing system where you have the software for a day or a week or something but dunno if it would work. Will keep the thread open until tomorrow and then I’ll decide what to do.
Maybe it is just me, but I never understood the idea behind closely kept secret systems and hinting clues to drive sales or ego high.
That is just scarcity mentality at its core.
If you have something you like go play it.
I would rather share my ideas than fishing for money. At least some members would try it out and be happy with it, or toss it. Who cares?
The casinos certainly won't. Their profit model is based on the idea that every system is just suckers toys.
Ignatus post his methods on a daily basis. Kudos to him.
Gizmo posted his method in the belief that his method is invincible, yet no one really cares.
Props to him. He has my respect, because he is a cool dude.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jan 25, 06:48 AM 2020
Maybe it is just me, but I never understood the idea behind closely kept secret systems and hinting clues to drive sales or ego high.
That is just scarcity mentality at its core.
If you have something you like go play it.
I would rather share my ideas than fishing for money. At least some members would try it out and be happy with it, or toss it. Who cares?
The casinos certainly won't. Their profit model is based on the idea that every system is just suckers toys.
Ignatus post his methods on a daily basis. Kudos to him.
Gizmo posted his method in the belief that his method is invincible, yet no one really cares.
Props to him. He has my respect, because he is a cool dude.
I completely agree. Even ignatus posts his systems for the whole world to see and yet the system junkies want to know the "mysterious" system developed by someone posting graphs that look like a simple martingale.
I guess there is an addiction problem on the forum.
I think it is the idea that someone is going to one day post the holy grail and they want to be the first person to go and clean out their casino. It is very delusional but that is what addictions cause.
I recently saw a system on youtube called the nipple system. Yes you read correctly "nipple system".
I hope they get help with their addiction.
Read the thread again and you will understand the reason behind selling it. And I don’t know how many times i need to tell this but I just providing the opportunity for those that’s interested. If your not then it’s totally fine and I’m sure you will fine value of this other guys that i agree doing a great job.
I will never force anybody to buy this from me and I will never just sell it to anybody and leave them with just a software. For me the transaction is a proof of real interest and also a appreciation of my work. Those people I am very keen to help and provide all the knowledge that i have, since they help me increasing my br. I do belive some people could agree on that i am a helpful person, atleast i hope so.
How can you force anybody to buy from you, then claim you are not doing that?
It seems you crave money and being helped rather than the appreciation as you want it in advance. It just does not work that way.
Having said that I have no problem with sellers, I just do not share the scarcity mentality driving them.
If I ever come up with a totally mechanical system which wins consistently (I get good results ATM, but my methods are not completely mechanical), then I wouldn't sell it as a pdf; I wouldn't give the rules at all. I would sell it as a service (SaaS - Software as a Service). So people would have to subscribe to get access to the "predictions". I would give everyone a free trial and then if they were happy with the results naturally they would subscribe, perhaps for just a week or month to see whether the free trial results were just a fluke.
If your system really is a real winner, I believe you would make far more money in the long run selling it like that, with the added advantage that the system rules would never be revealed.
If you can't program, spend some of your winnings on hiring a programmer to set up a site for you.
Anyone selling a system who doesn't agree that this is a more honest way to sell a system, I would want to know why, and I would view them with suspicion.
With Joe's model there is no way to test how he system performs long term. You just have to pay on the notion that the seller claims it to be a winner. You cannot play it in a land based casino. Frankly most system work for 80% of the people, while 20% would suck up all the losses. It is certainly good for the software seller.
It would be only fair if the seller would be liable for his service and pay after losses.
Kairo, It's better for the buyer than shelling out $2,500 and only then finding that you've bought a pile of junk. ;)
You have a free trial so if it loses from the get go you don't subscribe and it hasn't cost you a penny. Of course if you win on the free trial is doesn't guarantee it's a winner, but the longer you play with good results the more sure you are that it's genuine. So you could subscribe for a week at a time, and it won't cost you much initially. When you're more confident that the system works you will sign up for longer.
You're not restricted to playing online. I'm sure those with some imagination and creativity can think of a way to use the software in a B&M casino.
Of course no seller would be liable for losses. That's a completely unrealistic demand and nobody would expect it.
Your criticisms don't hold much weight.
Agree Joe. Though I find it frustrating everyone think I’m selling it for $2500 but I guess I have to blame myself for expressing myself poorly..
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too and I think it would be a good system for both parts. However I don’t know how it would work in reality since it would be pretty time demanding activating and inactivating everyday, but i guess you could automate it in some kind of way.
And thank you for the last part, that way I didn’t have to say it myself lol. Me being responsible for anyone elses losses would be kind of a though demand.
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 25, 08:05 AM 2020However I don’t know how it would work in reality since it would be pretty time demanding activating and inactivating everyday, but i guess you could automate it in some kind of way.
Yes it would have to be automated. But that wouldn't be a problem providing your system is completely mechanical; that means it would be an algorithm. No discretionary bets or guessing involved.
Yes it is. So i guess it would be possible then.
So you say that betting large martingale bets based on the recommendation of a software based service you know nothing about is realistic without the seller having any liability when it fails.
This idea just invites scammers. It sounds like fair.
Sounds great actually! Where could we sign up for that?
Actually, I tested for a bit (not more than 1 hour - I didn't had time) BP12's system. For that hour... I can't say that it didn't worked. It has ups and downs, I tested on play money, but in the end it provided profit. Why I didn't paid the man for his job? Simply because I had no time to test it more. BP12 provides a trial version for a limited period of time. In my case... that period of time was pretty full at my job and couldn't test it enough.
Otherwise... I think he should be rewarded for his work if it's a proof that what he done provides a profit to anyone who uses it.
But... that's my opinion...
Agree, there are many on this forum that posts a lot of system. And good ones! Let's not forget Ignatus for how much work is he doing and provides every sistem and RX Code for free. But, I guess that's up to everyone to decide what he/she wants.
So Kairo I guess it seems you have the same problem that precogmiles and some other also have. You are quick to draw conclusions even if you lack all the information or you don’t bother to look it up. You are to impatience and just clicking through a thread without reading through and then you comment on something you don’t actually understand. I think it’s sad and the worst part is that it affecting my thread.
So if I would be responsible for eventual losses that would mean that there would be no risk on the player and all risk on me. If that was the case everyone would buy it since it would be no way of loosing, either you win with the system or you get the loss back from me. Would it make sence to sell it then? I think you know the answer. If you read the thread you will understand that sometimes you will run into losses but eventuellt you will overcome them, that’s why it wins. I will never claim that this way of playing will win 100% of the times since there’s always a risk when playing, but I will say that i do belive that it’s a winning system and it works for me and also Rav it seems.
Also thanks Stefan!
I’m sorry you didn’t have the time to test it out properly but if you want you could email me and maybe we could figure something out.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jan 25, 08:57 AM 2020So you say that betting large martingale bets based on the recommendation of a software based service you know nothing about is realistic without the seller having any liability when it fails.
I'm not recommending this particular system because I know nothing about it, I was just making a comment about selling systems in general.
Of course it's reasonable to ask why anyone would sell a system when they can just use it themselves to make as much money as they want. On that basis some people believe that whoever sells a system must be a scammer, but I don't agree. There could be reasons why you can't or don't want to use the system yourself, and even if there aren't, why not sell it if doing so doesn't make any difference to the availability of roulette?
Steve sells a system, does everyone think he is a scammer?
Well, Bp12 you are the one making the claim that your system wins more than it loses and it is working.
If it is true then of course, you should be held liable for losses as you can take your share on the winnings as well.
Otherwise under the same software lease business frame sellers can claim anything under the sun and offer garbage and get away with it, because 80% players win and 20% suck up all the losses.
Anyway good luck with your system. I won't post in your thread anymore.
Very well you may be a honest system seller.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jan 25, 09:58 AM 2020
Well, Bp12 you are the one making the claim that your system wins more than it loses and it is working.
If it is true then of course, you should be held liable for losses as you can take your share on the winnings as well.
Otherwise under the same software lease business frame sellers can claim anything under the sun and offer garbage and get away with it, because 80% players win and 20% suck up all the losses.
Anyway good luck with your system. I won't post in your thread anymore.
Very well you may be a honest system seller.
Somehow, you are right! But I don't think that anyone can hold BP12 responsable for others mistakes (not respecting the minimum BR, not quitting when he reaches a stoploss or I don't know what else....)
There are a lot of crazy gamblers out there who get carried away and lose a lot - personally, been there, done that! And why should I blame BP12? He told me what to do. ...
I guess we agree to disagree. I hear what you saying and part of it I agree with but also I think that it’s wrong to hold me responsible for others losses and misstakes just like Stefan said. Unfortunately there will always be loosing players that gets to greedy or maybe scared when they don’t get the win right away and therefore don’t follow the rules. I would concider a refound for the software and system if anyone could prove they followed the rules and still loosed, but for the losses It self I think it’s fair that the buyer should be responsible since he knows the risk when Investing.
You are free to keep posting if you want, just don’t jump in to conclusions to fast before posting. I rather have you asking me questions that I could answer instead.
People use the word "Scammer" very loosely on here. I personally believe BP is anything but a scammer..he's not committing fraud nor is he participating in a dishonest scheme. In fact I would say the exact opposite..he believes in his system completely. Why? Well because it has worked for him and he has profited from it very nicely. So he's offering it to others at a price after doing all the work WITH HIS OWN REAL MONEY! If people choose to purchase it then great..if not then whatever. As far as him being responsible for buyers losses..that's foolish. Is the state required to pay me back my losses on a lottery ticket? No..because they make it very clear that it's not a GUARANTEE just like BP has multiple times. He believes in it..offers a trial and is willing to spend the time with people who buy it individually and work them through it. I don't know what else you could ask for?
Hi everyone,
For the last 3 days I had - again - the possibility to test BP12's system. Actually... 2 days for play money, 1 day for real. What can I say? It works!
It happened 2 times to reach the stoploss limit. Once for play money... and it hit on the last step.
Once... for real money and what do you think? It didn't hit, I went all the way and lost the BR :))) - here it's my fault, can't blame BP12 for this because I got warned :)
Anyway, now I'm playing on RNG (about 300 spins/hour), not more than 1hour/session. Aprox profit... 200units/session (give or take a few).
I'll try to test it more, see where it goes with this.
So since I got some requests I just want to say that the trials is over for now. I will let the last guys finnish their period and then I will have a break from this.
I use.... iprosyllabus software. In the past three days I have made $600 in maybe an hour and a half or a little longer. It seems to work really well plus..... it's not $2500! :ooh: :twisted:
Holyroller, that system doesnt work. What you experienced is wins from random bets. I'm not trying to convince you. Time will.
Yep you won't convince me Steve and BO ill never convince me to pay him $2500 for his either. By the way what I am using is considerably less than $2500.00 :twisted:
Why would I pay $2500 for someone's first program? Why would I pay anything that is untested? No YouTube videos (which can be manipulated), etc.?
Happy winnings. You know what youre talking about.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: holy roller on Jan 31, 02:21 AM 2020
Yep you won't convince me Steve and BO ill never convince me to pay him $2500 for his either. By the way what I am using is considerably less than $2500.00 :twisted:
Why would I pay $2500 for someone's first program? Why would I pay anything that is untested? No YouTube videos (which can be manipulated), etc.?
I'm not the one who is suposed to judge the price BP12 is asking for his system. What can I say is that I tested it. And - as long as I did - for me it worked and still is. Regarding the price, it's only up to him to decide. It's his work, nobody can put a price on that, except himself.
Who ever designing a system, I will suggest always give option of upload file and test,, that way a system can b tested easily and quickly,, if that option not there, it means owner himself not tested his system thoroughly,,, I m working on roulette syllabus software,, and planning to make video of my testing,, to reveal its effectiveness,,
Unless you have data additional to mere bets, a video would need to be weeks long to have statistically significant data. I could even show you a system that won for a year, but it eventually lost too. Its a year of play enough proof? Maybe 8000 spins.. nope.
I'd love to have a system that wins for a year :) And if loses after that... Well... I could live with that :)
All you need is random bets, progression, and good luck.
Most players mistake temporarily good luck with a "good system".
In fact every system is much the same. They're just random bets, so what do they change? Nothing.
The only difference between systems is amount wagered.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 31, 04:48 AM 2020
Unless you have data additional to mere bets, a video would need to be weeks long to have statistically significant data. I could even show you a system that won for a year, but it eventually lost too. Its a year of play enough proof? Maybe 8000 spins.. nope.
HI Steve, my testing strategy
Test1
10 sets of 180 spins (evolution wheel , moving one way )
if out of 10 ,8 sets win , means system should be consider for next testing.
Tes2
10 sets of 180 spins (evolution wheel , moving one way )
passing, 8 out of 10 wins(wins should have enoug amount in each set. >50 )
and total wins and loss ratio should be >1k in 10 sets.
Test3
Test4
Test5
Test6
Test7
Test8
Test9
Test10
so in last 10 sets , balance should be 10k, and win ratio also must meet 8 /10
most importatn what is max loss, it should not exceed -500 if playing with 1 unit.
He is charging a lot on hour basis, so this systme all claims, (500 blance,) and 99 percent hit ratio, if 12 number then within 5 times hit and if 9 number then within 8 spin hit must need to test. So that ppl aware before buying this product.
I m little interested , because i think, it can may work
Why do we always end up like this? Stop posting about other systems in this thread PLEASE. If you’re not interested then move on and stop take focus from what this thread is ment for.
And for god sake the price is not $2500 that’s what I think it’s worth and what I should take. I’m open for offers but won’t go under $500. Though for some guys I probably should charge more since the information doesn’t seem to go all the way through..
Again the wins are short term. The long term result is still loss. How quickly you lose depends on amount bet and luck.
How long a system lasts isnt a measure of how good it is. Remember they're just random bets, with varying bet size.
This truth is unpopular and people even attack whoever says it. But it's the truth.
Yeah in most cases I would agree with that. Though I think you can limit the random if there is an event you know most likely will occur in every cycle.
If you play against that event then every bet won’t be that random.
Though I see what you mean.
I hope nobody here would pay for
Anything that hasn't
Beaten millions of rx or other test spins. Did we all start yesterday? Do we all play virtual pokie roulette or something?
Warning My friends, not to this topic but dont trust on YouTube catchin roulette Cheater or best roulette 2020 same shit . Dont pay
Anastatius, please tell me. What goes through your mind when making such comment? What do you like to achieve with it? I’m just curious..
Are you hired to protect the forum members? If not, then I don’t see a reason why you would assume that people can’t think for themself and make own decisions. It’s getting stupid that I need to defend myself since all I do is offering a system for those that have money and are interested in learning a way to play that showed to be profitible. Why some people still think they have to express their warnings I will never get and it’s beyond me why people care so much what others do with THEIR money.
Oh well, maybe it’s just me that thinks different.. it’s nice to see that you cares so much about others though
Quote from: BP12 on Jan 31, 06:04 PM 2020Though I think you can limit the random if there is an event you know most likely will occur in every cycle.
If you play against that event then every bet won’t be that random.
That's fallacy. Betting against an event never, never works.
An example is betting there won't be 37 unique numbers in 37 spins. Why this theory totally misses the mark has been explained many times.
The animosity from members happens when you attempt to sell something that's no better than any other losing system, yet the system is promoted as being better.
Another example is saying the sequence RRRRRR is rare, so you should bet B next. Because like another R is rare.
Its a basic example thats easy to understand. Other approaches that bet against rare sequences are the same crap. Only they are more complex, so players dont recognize its the same shit repackaged.
Problem with you Steve, you never give any REAL advice how to win roulette. We all have to make these zillions of mistakes before (perhaps) we find something that works? IF you are going to complain, then you could instead point to what WORKS,... i never seen you did this? :question:
Seriously? Ive done it constantly.
For example many times I've said start with basic vb. i even gave videos. Also my thread in the outside the box area if ap isnt your thing. Try anything new. Just not the same old stuff.
I am often perceived as negative. Should i be positive about obvious mistakes? Should i lie?
And the problem with most members is they don't even understand the most basic points. So they don't understand anything else.
Riddles... Riddles... Riddles...
Riddles, from me?
Riddles only if you havent been around to see me say the same thing in plain english hundreds of times. Rather than riddles, its being sick of repeating myself.
Start with the basics. Plain English:
:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
You dont need to like AP. Most people arent suited to it anyway. At least understand why the same crap doesnt work, then try something NEW.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 12:05 AM 2020For example many times I've said start with basic vb.
I have coded VB. Took me over 2 weeks to make that code. The BET is same distance (pockets) away on each side as the previous spin....and? i´ve just tested that system (with different neigbours) EVEN tried Bet same distance for x number of spins..... and? IT DOESNT WORK. At all. sorry to say. :/
Sounds like you looked at rudimentary dealer signature, ie distance between pockets and nothing else.
Firstly, thats not vb. Secondly, distance between pockets alone wont work.
And if you had any idea how vb worked, you would understand how ridiculous it is to say it doesn't work. Really.
What do you think about the rrsys?
Does that not like he looks for a pocket jumps and you say that - that doesn't work?
Is there any deeper reason behind how they predicted accurately? Although not a hit in every spin of course.
TAKE THIS IN ANOTHER THREAD!!!!!
Hahaha I Love this forum! :xd:
We are talking about pocket counting that doesn't work. Why do I need another thread for this?
The question is related to that won't it?
I don’t care just stop posting about other systems in this thread now, that includes everyone.
Seen your history about this thread. So u are selling something here. Lol.
Anyway.. Good luck with that.
Good observation! Thank you
Quote from: Macro on Feb 01, 01:26 PM 2020
What do you think about the rrsys?
Does that not like he looks for a pocket jumps and you say that - that doesn't work?
Is there any deeper reason behind how they predicted accurately? Although not a hit in every spin of course.
It works in very limited circumstances and is basically messy dealer signature.
And why do you think his videos show the whole story? So if i publish videos of a few wins, you'll think its proof?
And bp12, i generally don't enforce off topic discussions. I believe doing so impedes the natural flow of conversation. There are some exceptions like deliberate derailing of topics.
As for your system, i dont see any evidence its legit. So far information indicates the opposite.
Yes it's a bit messy dealer signature.
I didn't say that his videos explains everything and gives guarantees of winning.
It's the timing and good prediction that I'm after. Just like Kristin kaisan a guy from Germany who is very good at visual predictions.
It's a skills I think without the use of computers.
Well you could see steeefans post as some sort of proof that it’s legit.
Byt anyway I appreciate if you could respect my wish now and only post stuff relevant to the system.
I don't see any proofs BP.
Your system is just like any other system.
Please don't get me wrong. Coz if your system works whether in a short term or in a long term.... Believe me... You wouldn't be here selling your stuff!
Macro if you actually read through you would have seen some of the proof and also know the reason behind me selling it for interested buyers. You are right that i don’t need to sell it, I’m just doing it to help myself by getting a bigger br, minimize the risks and move up stakes faster. You could say I trade the system for time.
I won’t spend time arguing with you I’m just gonna tell you to please respect my thread, that’s it.
No problem.
But this I tell you.... People are not stupid and spend money for no guarantee of winning.
If your system really works... As I said I would make millions and spend holidays!
Not here selling
Proof from a person doesn't prove anything.
Quote from: BP12 on Feb 01, 05:27 PM 2020
Well you could see steeefans post as some sort of proof that it’s legit.
Who's that? Anonymous reviews, good or bad, are meaningless. Read my article about avoiding scams. see link on left of this website.
Macro it doesn’t work like that, atleast not this system. You won’t win millions over night, you will profit over time. Again that’s where the time aspect comes in to play. The way I play is that I have a goal of +300 units a day wich I mostly reach but sometimes i end up with lower profits and sometimes I almost breaks even. The key is to avoid the loosing day wich I have done now for almost 2 months. How you do that? easy, set achieveble goals, follow the rules, use your edge and limit the time you play. Then you’re good.
And Steve I didn’t mean that anyone should rely only on what he said. I just pointed out that he has ACTUALLY tested it and confirmed that it is valid. Then it’s up to you how much you value that source. Also if you go back you can find Ravenous treasure that also plays in a similar way confirming that he making profit with this method. But then again maybe their not trustworthy enough for your liking..
I don't think you understood.
Again... People are not stupid.
So, its 2's become 3's?
That’s right Robbert.
So, 2 become 3s, with a stoploss of 400 units?
Try it and you will get the answer
I predict this will end as another system being sold and buyers reporting its no better than any other system.
There will always be some people who swear it works, based on short term wins. The illusion is explained at the link i gave
Well let’s hope you’re wrong :)
You up for a bet?
Does your system beat rng? I.e as long as you keep following the rules, it will win forever.
Or will it eventually tank?
And do you know how many people have come to me swearing on their life they have the hg?
Guess how many of them fell on their face.
Passion, you've already proven you're clueless, and harmful to gullible people.
It works for rng as well but for how long I don’t know. I won’t say this will hold forever since I don’t know if it would. However it should hold long enough for people to take out a nice profit.
And yeah I can imagine that you got quite a lot of those claims. Though I won’t be one of those since I don’t claim this to be a hg, just a winning system. For me that means that it showed to be profitible for almost 2 months. In that period I’ve been able to withdraw my initial investment and more after that, which means I only play with my profits and that I will end up in profit even if I would bust in the future. I don’t see it fail anytime soon either but maybe I’m wrong and I guess we’ll see.
Quote from: BP12 on Feb 03, 01:11 AM 2020However it should hold long enough for people to take out a nice profit.
You know how foolish that sounds, and all the "it works short term" systems that get posted on the forum? Why would a system work short term? What's the difference? Could I just start playing only "short term winner" systems one after the other, and keep profiting forever?
I can't say your system doesn't work, because I have no idea what you do. But I know that unless you are using events and cycles, it can be mathematically proven that your system will lose.
But I wish you the best and hope that your luck will last for a long time :thumbsup:
I’m not saying it only works short term, I’m just saying that I don’t know if it holds forever but it will hold long enough to be profitible. Then it’s up to you what you want to do with that information.
And that’s exactly what I do, using event and cycles. But thank you and I hope so too.
Hi Steve and all serious roulette players
The winning system has been on the forum for almost one month.
I have had the opportunity to test and play the sytems. My feedback and conclusion
is based on testing and playing results.
I did not make any profit from the system. Naturally just like any system, it wins from
time to time but it surely does not win consistently to call it a wining system imo.
I'm curious to know if as any of you in the forum has genuinely made profit from the
system consistently ......? Has anyone of you bought the system....? Does anyone consider
that buying the system at a price from 500â,¬ to 2,500â,¬ is a good investment....?
Everyone is free to do what they want witth their money but in my case no thanks in buying
this system.
Please let me know your conclusion and if I'm the only one who has a negative conclusion
regarding this system thanks.
Cheers
Chris
chris!
there is no such thing as winning system .. who buys something with 500 and over have no clue what randomness is.
As humans we just fantasizing of beating the unknown. in roulette any system is equally to any other system. its the strategy which makes u win often and loose less.. the rule is hit and run! know when u quit.
cheers
Quote from: Chris555p on Feb 05, 03:24 AM 2020
Hi Steve and all serious roulette players
The winning system has been on the forum for almost one month.
I have had the opportunity to test and play the sytems. My feedback and conclusion
is based on testing and playing results.
I did not make any profit from the system. Naturally just like any system, it wins from
time to time but it surely does not win consistently to call it a wining system imo.
I'm curious to know if as any of you in the forum has genuinely made profit from the
system consistently ......? Has anyone of you bought the system....? Does anyone consider
that buying the system at a price from 500â,¬ to 2,500â,¬ is a good investment....?
Everyone is free to do what they want witth their money but in my case no thanks in buying
this system.
Please let me know your conclusion and if I'm the only one who has a negative conclusion
regarding this system thanks.
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chris,
Are you playing BP's exact system or just a variation of it based on some information he gave on this thread? You said you won some of the time and didn't make any profit? I'm sorry but that's just not possible. Actually it's the opposite..you will win far more sessions then lose. To be exact you will win 98 out of 100 sessions.
Suppose you have a system that can make 20-100 euro profit per day (12-24 hours )
It consists of placing a bet on 13 numbers and progressing in case of a loss
You wait for 10 misses in row and start betting, after analyzing 20k spins (from a live wheel) the max number of loses in a row was 18
Would you call it a winning system ? Can you dedicate 12-24 hours per day to watch the table and attack appropriately?
What if you can’t watch the table that long ? Would a Bot do the job for you while you are sleeping or driving your car ??
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 05, 11:12 AM 2020
Suppose you have a system that can make 20-100 euro profit per day (12-24 hours )
It consists of placing a bet on 13 numbers and progressing in case of a loss
You wait for 10 misses in row and start betting, after analyzing 20k spins (from a live wheel) the max number of loses in a row was 18
Would you call it a winning system ? Can you dedicate 12-24 hours per day to watch the table and attack appropriately?
What if you can’t watch the table that long ? Would a Bot do the job for you to make while you are sleeping or driving your car ??
First of all, your example has nothing to do with BP12's.
Second... if you want to win fast, just play hit&run. Easy....
Quote from: Ravenous Treasure on Feb 05, 10:33 AM 2020
Hi Chris,
Are you playing BP's exact system or just a variation of it based on some information he gave on this thread? You said you won some of the time and didn't make any profit? I'm sorry but that's just not possible. Actually it's the opposite..you will win far more sessions then lose. To be exact you will win 98 out of 100 sessions.
And what's your definition of "a session"?
Truly profitable systems are not sold for profit. It’s always a scam
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 11:21 AM 2020
Truly profitable systems are not sold for profit. It’s always a scam
Give me one good reason why not
I also find Chris result weird Rav since it doesn’t match what we experienced, but he insisted that he played it right so I gotta trust him in that one. After all he’s been in the game for a long time and maybe it could be that I’ve missed some instruction or something also.
And Roulettebeater I have no idea what you meant with that post or if it’s related to this thread what so ever?
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 05, 11:22 AM 2020
Give me one good reason why not
Thing logically
If any good can regenerate profit, the owner of this good won’t sell it , because his financial expectation are already met.
Take for example any good for sale in the market, you will see that it’s made to produce profit that’s why it’s for sale... but nobody will sell a system that can make money from roulette
I guess a F.A.Q would be really usefull in this thread since noone wants to read it through.
Like I mentioned for a couple times I sell the information and system to help myself get a bigger bankroll faster and save myself some time. I could keep grinding low stakes or I could sell it and save myself a half of months work. For me it’s a fair trade but I understand if everyone doesn’t agree and I’m fine with that.
Oh and also did I mentioned this isn’t a HG?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 05, 11:32 AM 2020
Thing logically
If any good can regenerate profit, the owner of this good won’t sell it , because his financial expectation are already met.
Take for example any good for sale in the market, you will see that it’s made to produce profit that’s why it’s for sale... but nobody will sell a system that can make money from roulette
Ok! Let me give you an example:
You go to school, college, university... on your own expense. Someday, you will get a job where guess what happens?
You get paid. For what? For what you learned in school on your expense. This means that you share your knowledges
for an income.
BP12 used his knowledge to create something. He will share it... for money!
I don't see the difference!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 05, 12:00 PM 2020
Ok! Let me give you an example:
You go to school, college, university... on your own expense. Someday, you will get a job where guess what happens? You get paid. For what? For what you learned in school on your expense. This means that you share your knowledges for an income.
BP12 used his knowledge to create something. He will share it... for money!
I don't see the difference!
knowledge that your learn at school don't generate income alone. You need to practice them in a job.
but a system that can make money wont be sold unless the owner of it is broke and cant use it to make moeny or he is selling a scam to earn money
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 05, 12:43 PM 2020
knowledge that your learn at school don't generate income alone. You need to practice them in a job.
but a system that can make money wont be sold unless the owner of it is broke and cant use it to make moeny or he is selling a scam to earn money
1. The man said that he is selling it to increase his bankroll
2. If you don't have a job, you're broke either. So you have to get a job and sell your knowledges for money.
3. Be sure that BP practiced a lot before he got his product out for sale.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 05, 11:32 AM 2020
Thing logically
If any good can regenerate profit, the owner of this good won’t sell it , because his financial expectation are already met.
Take for example any good for sale in the market, you will see that it’s made to produce profit that’s why it’s for sale... but nobody will sell a system that can make money from roulette
Are you fu*king kidding me? Money never enough, thats why will profitable systems will solded, and thats why profitable sport tipsters are selling their tips.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Feb 05, 02:22 PM 2020
Are you fu*king kidding me? Money never enough, thats why will profitable systems will solded, and thats why profitable sport tipsters are selling their tips.
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