Steve i am interested whats your opinion about Kimo Li's method (he teaches it If paying 2000$).
I read different Things about like some guys say his method ovsrcomes the Edge other that he is talking only advantage of a Situation.He claims that with this method you can become a Professional Roulette player etc etc.... What are finally the facts?
Thanks
I don't remember enough about his methods to say for sure. I recall from what I've seen, his approaches involved various geometries on the wheel and kind of numeric approaches which had no real relation to increasing accuracy of predictions - or at least no evidence I know of that substantiated his theories. That's at first glance, so I never bothered to look further.
But since you asked, I looked through some of his posts and noticed various statements that were unsubstantiated and untrue. If I'm wrong, he can correct me. But all that would happen is a stalemate like "I'm not telling you the secrets".
So what you can do is test one of his theories - test anything he does provide.
If you're looking to buy any system, see this:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=26422
Either nobody buys it, or it works, otherwise the internet would be full of negative reviews and people who got ripped off would try to expose him.
But lack of positive reviews can also be suspicious. "Blaming" it on NDA is laughable, when anybody can be fully anonymous on the internet.
A ok, thanks Steve...Ati i mean even If he has something like a "HG" it cant widespread so easy because you must fly to him(USA i dont know where anymore) to get Lessons for 2K so very few people know the method and as i understand he only takes advantage of a Situation and not changing the Edge.
Quote from: ati on Jan 13, 02:01 AM 2020
Either nobody buys it, or it works, otherwise the internet would be full of negative reviews and people who got ripped off would try to expose him.
But lack of positive reviews can also be suspicious. "Blaming" it on NDA is laughable, when anybody can be fully anonymous on the internet.
Speaking from 10+ years of experience, the reality is:
1. Every system seller will probably have both genuine positive and negative reviews. A system can be genuinely great, but the user can be as thick as a brick (and naturally blame the system instead of themselves).
Also the system can be crap, but short term winnings may encourage buyers to give genuine positive reviews.
2. If there's an NDA, anyone with a bad experience will not respect the NDAs. So you'll probably only see negative reviews. The players that are happy DO respect the NDAs, and dont publish any feedback (including good feedback). And besides, happy players prefer keeping it to themselves. They aren't raving about a new car or something. They'd want to stay low key.
3. It is very common for sellers to publish fake positive reviews of themselves, and for sellers to publish fake negative reviews of competitors.
So can you trust reviews? Nope, unless you know the reviewer first-hand and know they're impartial AND credible. Anonymous reviews are almost completely useless.
If you want to know if a system being sold is legit or not, really you'll find this list useful: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=26422
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 13, 02:27 AM 2020
A ok, thanks Steve...Ati i mean even If he has something like a "HG" it cant widespread so easy because you must fly to him(USA i dont know where anymore) to get Lessons for 2K so very few people know the method and as i understand he only takes advantage of a Situation and not changing the Edge.
You should just ask Kimo Li about his info. I'm sure he will answer you back.
Go to his website & his email is there
He is around. I just spoke with him this evening and I bought one of his spreadsheets. He has more credibility with me because of the time he put into writing two books. His books have information that I have not seen anywhere else. He does not offer any ideas on how to use his systems, but why should he.
The way I see it if he is legit and put all the time to discover something why should he give it away for free? If you came up with a "HG" would you give it away for nothing?
I see people get upset because he doesn't share freely. Too bad.
I have also seem him give clues to his systems so if people aren't willing to at least look into his clues and they want to be spoon fed then again... too bad.
I like learning. So if someone gave me ideas and taught me I would work and ask questions, but that is me.
Quote from: holy roller on Jan 14, 12:18 AM 2020
He is around. I just spoke with him this evening and I bought one of his spreadsheets. He has more credibility with me because of the time he put into writing two books. His books have information that I have not seen anywhere else. He does not offer any ideas on how to use his systems, but why should he.
The way I see it if he is legit and put all the time to discover something why should he give it away for free? If you came up with a "HG" would you give it away for nothing?
I see people get upset because he doesn't share freely. Too bad.
I have also seem him give clues to his systems so if people aren't willing to at least look into his clues and they want to be spoon fed then again... too bad.
I like learning. So if someone gave me ideas and taught me I would work and ask questions, but that is me.
I have done the same & you can PM if you like.
The problem with almost every system is they are just random bets with elaborate bet selection.
If the bet selection has the same win rate as random, the system does nothing.
What makes one system different from another? The unit size, types of bets, and amount of numbers covered. This will control the rate at which you win or lose. And it's these differences that delude players into thinking one system is better than another.
In the end, they're all just random independent bets.
How do I know? Because from my own research and software, every imaginable bet selection and pattern was tested using a form of artificial intelligence. It covered everything from repeaters to streaks etc. And nobody has shown me any evidence that proves their bet selection, or any principle of their bet selection, is changing the accuracy of predictions.
I'm open to the possibility I havent tested something either manually or with my software. But I haven't seen anything to convince me any system is anything but deluded random bets with elaborate bet selection.
Is Kimo the same? Again I don't know enough about his system to say for sure. It's neither endorsement or denouncement - I just don't know enough about what he does.
Steve,, what works for online roulette game?
If you mean RS, there are lots of very wealthy players who started with a small bankroll. Its not realistic.
If you mean MPR, unless precog is effective, I dont think it can be beaten. And by beaten, i dont mean variance wins. Even random bets can win.
Steve this is Kimo Li opinion about the Edge: "The Edge is a mathematical fact.It cannnot be changed.What can be predicted and exploited is the high value targets"......What do you think about it?
Edge can indeed be changed, by increasing the accuracy of predictions.
But what exactly does he mean by "high value targets"?
I dont know...he is playing about 9 to 12 spins to make money.He first "calculates" when to play etc and then takes Advantage of a Situation and plays then this few spins.
Steve i heared you are living in an old House from the 80's, is that true?
(People are telling it to prove that your Computers finally cant make the promised amount of money/results)
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 14, 08:51 AM 2020
Steve i heared you are living in an old House from the 80's, is that true?
(People are telling it to prove that your Computers finally cant make the promised amount of money/results)
And who on Earth told you that garbage? Last I heard, I was living with my parents, next to a homeless hostel. I'm very poor.
You believe it?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 14, 08:31 AM 2020
Edge can indeed be changed, by increasing the accuracy of predictions.
But what exactly does he mean by "high value targets"?
Hi Steve,
You know that social exercise corporations use as an experiment to show how information passed on from one person to another person in a group situation. At the end, what was said at the beginning is not the same in the end.
Let me clarify what my perspective of the edge refers to, the casino edge. High value targets, a term I use, are bet selections that hit on average 80%, eight out of ten attempts.
I do not know anything about your approach, except you use computers with some of your approaches. I believe our approach are like apples and oranges, different kinds of fruit, yet both belong to the same family, roulette family.
I apologize for other members interpretation.
Regards,
Kimo
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 14, 08:47 AM 2020I dont know...he is playing about 9 to 12 spins to make money.He first "calculates" when to play etc and then takes Advantage of a Situation and plays then this few spins.
That's pretty vague. I cant accurately comment on a strategy I don't know about. Again see link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=26422 which applies to any system you're considering buying.
Hahahahah ofc not man :xd:
Its ridiculous people are jealous about your Computers etc etc and talking shit.It is sad because they are adult man.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jan 14, 09:03 AM 2020High value targets, a term I use, are bet selections that hit on average 80%, eight out of ten attempts.
Whether or not that's better than "random bet selection" depends on exactly what you bet on. It's not enough for me to give a proper opinion on.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jan 14, 09:03 AM 2020I do not know anything about your approach, except you use computers with some of your approaches
It's pretty simple in principle. Computers do what VB does, although with much higher accuracy. Although it depends on the computer. Most aren't much better than VB.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jan 14, 09:03 AM 2020You know that social exercise corporations use as an experiment to show how information passed on from one person to another person in a group situation. At the end, what was said at the beginning is not the same in the end.
I know better than to rely on hearsay. Which is why I said I don't know enough to properly comment.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 14, 09:07 AM 2020
I know better than to rely on hearsay. Which is why I said I don't know enough to properly comment.
I am in agreement. I did not post to explain any of my approaches, merely wanted to clarify what Clf7 had posted about the edge and high value targets.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 14, 08:47 AM 2020
I dont know...he is playing about 9 to 12 spins to make money.He first "calculates" when to play etc and then takes Advantage of a Situation and plays then this few spins.
Exactly, you don't know. Clf7, please refrain from speculation. I would appreciate it.
Ye sorry Kimo thats only what i heared from others, ofc i dont know(finally is not) whether it is true or not.I wanted only to know steves opinion and if he knows about it.Thats all.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 13, 04:03 AM 2020
Speaking from 10+ years of experience, the reality is:
1. Every system seller will probably have both genuine positive and negative reviews. A system can be genuinely great, but the user can be as thick as a brick (and naturally blame the system instead of themselves).
Also the system can be crap, but short term winnings may encourage buyers to give genuine positive reviews.
2. If there's an NDA, anyone with a bad experience will not respect the NDAs. So you'll probably only see negative reviews. The players that are happy DO respect the NDAs, and dont publish any feedback (including good feedback). And besides, happy players prefer keeping it to themselves. They aren't raving about a new car or something. They'd want to stay low key.
3. It is very common for sellers to publish fake positive reviews of themselves, and for sellers to publish fake negative reviews of competitors.
So can you trust reviews? Nope, unless you know the reviewer first-hand and know they're impartial AND credible. Anonymous reviews are almost completely useless.
If you want to know if a system being sold is legit or not, really you'll find this list useful: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=26422
I couldn’t agree more. Seems so obvious, I wonder why it’s so hard to understand.