NOTE: If you were scammed by this person/people please add to this post your story or testimony. I would like everyone to come together. Please donââ,¬â,,¢t be ashamed, we live and learn. Also if you have not been scammed by them, please refrain from your ââ,¬Å"I told you so!ââ,¬Â comments, as Iââ,¬â,,¢m hoping this thread to be one BIG List of people scammed by w3m. If you wish to post ââ,¬Å"I told you so!ââ,¬Â Could you please create another thread?
Thank you
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Hello,
This is my first post here, and itââ,¬â,,¢s a WARNING message for all of those people still following or believing in any of the following:
Charles Edward
Simon
Team
The PPPC
The ACETF
The New Anti-scam Site (Yet to be finished)
I was naive, and Iââ,¬â,,¢m not afraid to tell you all, I was scammed, or ripped off. . . . . whatever you want to call it. I followed w3m for almost 2 years until the PPPC was anounced, and then I applied to join the club and paid the fee.
I waited and waited, and still have not heard back from anyone associated with them. Itââ,¬â,,¢s been over 8 weeks since the club opened to applicants. I tried contacting w3m but they donââ,¬â,,¢t respond anymore. However the website is still changing, which tells me theyââ,¬â,,¢re simply ignoring my emails.
Heres something for you. I had to pay a little over $500 AUD to join this club, how many people do you think they had as a following worldwide? 100? 1000? 10,000?
100 Applicants = $50,000
1,000 Applicants = $500,000
10,000 Applicants = $5,000,000
SO NOW YOU SEE! This person/people would definitely have to be the biggest ONLINE roulette scammers. Can I, or any of us get our money back? Iââ,¬â,,¢m not sure, but I can Inform others and indeed the online roulette community that they really are (as much as I donââ,¬â,,¢t want to believe it) a SCAM.
As a side note, Iââ,¬â,,¢m almost certain there are scammers in these forums, but I can only tell you about the scammers I dealt with.
Now PLEASE ANYONE ELSE SCAMMED BY W3M, SHARE YOUR STORY please only true stories I donââ,¬â,,¢t want any haters, these should be genuine. (else we drop to their level).
Thanks,
Funboy
P. S I still don't know how, or if you can beat roulette long term profitably, but let me say, you should always be VERY CAREFUL of anyone who claims they can beat it. If there is a way to beat it, it's being kept extremely secret, the moment others find out, your chances of using this winning method will greatly diminish, as the casinos will find a way to stop you. After all it's all about MONEY!
Welcome to the forum.
I've referred this post to other Moderators for their opinions.
I have not been scammed by w3m.
I have posted a lot of times in a lot of forums that he is a scam with proofs but no one listened...exept 1-2 people that I saved....
here is is the topic I made in this site to try and save the fool and unejucated flyes
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/you-asked-for-a-proof-and-you-have-it/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/you-asked-for-a-proof-and-you-have-it/)
You are 1 of the flyes that he traped in his net.
I'm sorry to hear that, there is a lot of winning bets here, you might not make 3 million but you could buy your self and or girlfriend a nice dinner.
Gents,
Been on presentation of PPPC bet/my Austrian friend invited me/
in casino Wien-Wien Austria,where the bet was introduced in a
live play/with casino permission....which initates casinos involment
in this buss./My friend and several other customers paid 3000 euros
for that bet...............and now comes most interesting part of this
story.Actually the bet makes lot of profit/couple of guys here I have
sent the bet/but problem is that this specific bet needs 11 step
martingale and that we simple middle class chaps can't afford it,
and casino would never let us enter theirs unlimited tables.
Friend of mine hasn't lost a playing session as yet,but mind you
he enters casino with 250000 euros as a BR....................I can't.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 30, 12:46 PM 2010
Gents,
Been on presentation of PPPC bet/my Austrian friend invited me/
in casino Wien-Wien Austria,where the bet was introduced in a
live play/with casino permission....which initates casinos involment
in this buss./My friend and several other customers paid 3000 euros
for that bet...............and now comes most interesting part of this
story.Actually the bet makes lot of profit/couple of guys here I have
sent the bet/but problem is that this specific bet needs 11 step
martingale and that we simple middle class chaps can't afford it,
and casino would never let us enter theirs unlimited tables.
Friend of mine hasn't lost a playing session as yet,but mind you
he enters casino with 250000 euros as a BR....................I can't.
dear F_lat_ino
i do not know what is your friend's unit size but given the TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND(am i reading correct?) euro bankroll i guess its 500 or 1000 euro.
Surely this could be scaled down to 5 or 10 euro units, no?
If not the only thing that comes to my mind for this bet to be is to bet on 35 numbers with en prison/le partage. the absolute world record for the same number to appear in row has been 7 times in a row so 11 step progression would mean Holy grail indeed
could you share another piece of the puzzle for us to brainstorm on?
All the imaginery bets of w3m are FLAT bets.....
so IF u say the truth(I doubt) this wasn t the w3m bet.
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 30, 02:35 PM 2010
All the imaginery bets of w3m are FLAT bets.....
so IF you say the truth(I doubt) this wasn t the w3m bet.
Yordy my friend,
That is what you have read that these are flat bets.
You can doubt as you wish,but we/couple guys from this very forum/
have tested it for thousands of spins and it didn't even reached 10 step
progression.And what is the use of that bet when you can not play it
in casino.
I am just saying that this bet that you tested wasn t any of the scamming w3m bets...because he is claiming that he has ONLY FLAT bets
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 30, 04:12 PM 2010
I am just saying that this bet that you tested wasn t any of the scamming w3m bets...because he is claiming that he has ONLY FLAT bets
You see what I mean?????
He poisoned some ppl.mind with his false claiming,
and you believed what he said.If he was scam as you
claimed,then your statement is contradictory to your
above statement.Either you can't read propely what I have
said or didn't understand.
Read it once more.
Quote from: sekuritati on Nov 30, 02:30 PM 2010
dear F_lat_ino
i do not know what is your friend's unit size but given the TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND(am I reading correct?) euro bankroll I guess its 500 or 1000 euro.
Surely this could be scaled down to 5 or 10 euro units, no?
If not the only thing that comes to my mind for this bet to be is to bet on 35 numbers with en prison/le partage. the absolute world record for the same number to appear in row has been 7 times in a row so 11 step progression would mean Holy grail indeed
could you share another piece of the puzzle for us to brainstorm on?
--100 euro on the E/C bet......but its nothing to do xxxxxxxreds then bet black....its a specific bet that was tested by my friend programer on 800000 spins----
but as said earlier it is not for us,only for a very rich ppl.with gold entering cards to certain casinos.Just a dream for us...therefore it is worthless.
I think F_LAT_IN means it is an even chances bet with an 11 step progression that requires a bankroll no middle-class person can afford. Thats too bad! I was very interested in hearing more about it.
Quote from: Droganson on Nov 30, 04:58 PM 2010
I think F_LAT_IN means it is an even chances bet with an 11 step progression that requires a bankroll no middle-class person can afford. that's too bad! I was very interested in hearing more about it.
[/quote
EXACTLY
I understood this part,,,
What I didn t understand is this "Been on presentation of PPPC bet/my Austrian friend invited me"""
What is the relation between the PPPC bet and the EC bet that u are talking about?
POLITE WARNING @ Jordan/ F LAT INO:
This thread is supposed to be a List of Testimonies (not a vehicle for point-scoring off each other!!)
Kindly stick more to the topic, please.
Quote from: esoito on Nov 30, 07:19 PM 2010
POLITE WARNING @ Jordan/ F LAT INO:
This thread is supposed to be a List of Testimonies (not a vehicle for point-scoring off each other!!)
Kindly stick more to the topic, please.
You right Esoito,
ok...
Ask your credit card issuer to make a charge-back.
Same exact story happened to me as Funboy.
I too followed win3million for a couple of years.
When he opened up for membership, I wired over 335 Euros to an over 2 months ago. I was told it would take 4 to 6 weeks to be contacted.
I have sent several e-mail e-mails but there has been no reply.
One of the reasons that I thought that there was some validity to win3million was because there were so many random posts. There was never any request for money for over 2 years.
I feel like a big fat fool. Brilliant that they were able to sucker me in. And now it's shut down.
There are many more/I know of 4/that are embarass to come forward,
as that wouldn't help em to get theirs money back.
Was "Fender1000" Charles? Steve Hourmouzis said he was. How about Stackbundles?
If it was a scam it was very well orchestrated with lots of double blind rhetoric and reverse psychology.
A true confidence trick if ever I saw one.
I feel for all those poor forum members who copped a relentless tirade of defamatory slurs and outright character assassinations so that suckers would be convinced of the honesty and integrity of CEH.
Sorry to say, but what a joke you are if you got caught in this wicked web of deception.
i'm glad that i just spend my time and not my money on it. :-[
still the thing continues. they closed the website but now run different blogs with different names on the same subject. :o
cheers
hans
Sorry to say, but what a joke you are if you got caught in this wicked web of deception.
EXACTLY!!!!
Can someone tell me what this whole Win 3 Mllion thing is all about?
I keep hearing about it but never paid much attention to it. It seems like a roulette scam, but what makes it different to other scams that we find on the internet?
And what is CEH? Is this a person or a business?
Quote from: Jordan link=topic=2675. msg24969#msg24969 date=1291387704
Sorry to say, but what a joke you are if you got caught in this wicked web of deception.
EXACTLY!!!!
Kick them while they're down??? I myself warned everyone many times over on VLS, but It seems I dint get through to everyone. However I don't see any reason to say I told you so. Its allready bad that this has happened to them, no need to make them feel even worse!
In my opinion it's a brave thing to step forward like this.
If they had a little comon sence (logic) and if they knew a little maths and if they had their eyes opened to read at the 100000000000000000000 contradictions of the posts of CHE and if they had belived my warnings they wouldn t be in that position.....would they?
so they deserve of what they got!
Noone forced them....
What makes CEH treacherous is how charming he can be--like he's really in your corner. Moreover when asked if he is who he is, you think surely this isn't the infamous man behind W3M.
While I didn't directly go to his site (and pay for a system), I followed him, and he cost me money (and some of my self-respect). Looking back at what he did at VLS and here earlier...it hurts >:(
There will always be SCAMS.
And this is because there will always be FOOLS!
Everybody plays the fool once in a while. Seriously, you think a wolf is going to come looking like a wolf? He is going to look like an angel, nice and helpful at first...
What it makes me wonder is what will be the next move of CEH?
I can make good guesses as I know him very good all these years!
1)He will wait for 6 months to 1 year for his scam be be forgotten and he will make an other site with a new name (like when he had the Boffiden and he made the win3mill) and he will start over with new suckers.
2)He will start posting in his win3mill site that kind of things :
"I have a few players and they are winning...for the others that didn t get the BET is because they were NOT patient ! And what did I asked 1000 times?? PATIENCE!!!! I have said a lot of times that patience will reword you!....so the members that paid and didn t had patience and posted in forums that I am a scam ,THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO USE OUR(LoL) BET BECAUSE THE PATIENCE IS 1 OF THE FACTORS THAT IS NEEDED TO BE A PRO ROULETTE PLAYER!!!!"
OR
" All the members of the (imaginery) PPPC BET CLUB are now in the Casinos and making money! I gave to all the members my BET as I promised! WE KEEP OUR PROMISES! (HAHHAHA!). Be carefull as I have worned you! There will be scams that will try to do bad to our name by posting lies in the forums!"
He is a VERY PREDICTABLE man......
Ps. Make this Topic a STICKY TOPIC and you will see that this post of mine will become reallity!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, you think a wolf is going to come looking like a wolf? He is going to look like an angel, nice and helpful at first...
No ofcource not....
BUT CEH didn t even had the simple brain to PRETENT the ANGEL!!!!!!!!!
with all his contradictions and mistakes that he did it was OBVIOUS even to a person with a standard IQ to understand that he is a big silly scam!
Imagine now how much UNDER THE STANDARD was the IQ of the fools that he tricked !!!!!!!
Fools are made by the nature so the scams to survive.
It is the FOOD CHAIN of the nature.
The Charles I (thought I knew) was as personable as Victor. He had hoardes of followers. From my experience he sneaked in as Victor was completing the sale of VLS to Steve Hourmouzis. Absolutely nothing like the W3M site rants....he did however try to turn the users against both Steve and Victor at one point (at the forums). That was a dealbreaker for me.
Jordan,
For you to call me a fool, sucker, get what I deserve is fine by me. I can afford 335 Euros.
I don't like throwing my money away, I admitted that I was foolish and I made you feel a whole lot superior. So I made your day.
But you'll make others stay on the side lines because of how you have ridiculed Funboy and me so much.
The purpose for this thread is to get others to come forward about being scammed.
So that whoever the man behind win3million was is unmasked, and arrested and put
away for a long time.
FINAL WARNING @jordan
You wrote: "Fools are made by the nature..."
You are correct about fools made by nature.
So stop being foolish and PULL YOUR HORNS IN.
You are continually criticising others...If you can't say something pleasant about them then don't post at all.
Do it once more and I'll recommend to Victor that your posting priviledges are removed -- permanently.
You've foolishly ignored other warnings.
This. Is. It. Your choice...
Hi Funboy,
This is a timely post.
I come from Australia and have been anticipating the opening of the PPPC club.
I waited diligently for around 2 years for the opening.
Then, I managed to get provisionally accepted. Then they were asking 335 GDP.
Since i was overseas, i was not able to pay them till 5 weeks after being provisionally accepted.
I wired this money to them. . . then the overseas bank said they could not apply the funds. . . quite possibly the account details given to me were faulty or already closed by this time.
If this was a scam. . . then it was just good timing for me to pay them delayed.
I got my funds returnd to me less processing charges.
It is very frustrating to have been fed lies and false dreams. . .
I have emails them at least 5 times but no reply.
I sincerely appreciate your posts and honesty.
If i do find the holy grail, will let you know. . . .
Cheers mate.
That's very fortunate Ja.
Best outcome I have read yet from the torrid story of corruption and greed.
Well done, and glad U could post up this experience.
To Funboy and Canuck. . .
Did you figure out the PPPC bet?
If not, send me a pm with the exact date of the sessions on table 3 in wiesbaden on which the bet could be verified.
I will sent you the bet then because I think it's only fair that if you paid you should have get it.
As you will see then the bet is the most simple one.
As for the scamming it was very, very clevery done so you shouldn't be ashamed for being sucked in. In the end Simon aka Charles did make some mistakes which made me open my eyes.
Dobidobido
It is very frustrating to have been fed lies and false dreams. .
Correct! This is the WORST part of this scam!
The money is the less.......
i was seriously thinking about applying for the ppc membership, too. i finally didn't. but does this make me the most clever mr. wiseguy that is around? it certainly doesn't. i guess i was just lucky.
this is why i would like to express my support for all you guys who did and were let down by ceh. and i would also like to say thank you for being so curageous to step out in the open and freely admit it.
cheers
hans
Quote from: esoito on Dec 03, 10:56 PM 2010
FINAL WARNING @jordan
You wrote: "Fools are made by the nature..."
You are correct about fools made by nature.
So stop being foolish and PULL YOUR HORNS IN.
You are continually criticising others...If you can't say something pleasant about them then don't post at all.
Do it once more and I'll recommend to Victor that your posting priviledges are removed -- permanently.
You've foolishly ignored other warnings.
This. Is. It. Your choice...
Only the yellow card?????
Mr. referee it was the fault in 16 m.-penalty,
and such a brutal fault for a red card and total
suspension.You are very mild referee.
Oh FLATINO....
Its not me that u are angree about......
U are angree because you believed CEH and u felt into his silly trap :D
Quote from: Jordan on Dec 04, 08:56 AM 2010
Oh F_LAT_INO....
Its not me that you are angree about......
U are angree because you believed CEH and you felt into his silly trap :D
You are incredible joke.
Funny
I was thinking the same thing about you...LOL
Thank you all for the kind words, I only hope more people come forward so people can see the full magnitude of this most recent scam.
This message is meant for Simon of the PPPC
Simon,
We have spoken in the past (you know me under another alias) and at that time you seemed decent and honest. I hope you can explain to me here in public of by private mail why these guys have lost there money.
If I don't get a reasonable answer within a week, I will reveal. if the scammed guys who I sent the bet are ok with it, the bet here. And I also will give the answers to the riddles of your father.
You may not care, but if the club is real the present members will not be very glad with this.
If the whole PPPC is fake, than no harm done to anyone. The scammed ones will get their bet which they have paid for. If on the other hand the club is real, let the guys who have paid in.
Hope to hear from you,
Dobidobido
Quote from: dobidobido on Dec 05, 08:02 AM 2010
If I don't get a reasonable answer within a week, I will reveal. if the scammed guys who I sent the bet are ok with it, the bet here. And I also will give the answers to the riddles of your father.
that should be quite interesting indeed
Is this SIMON --PPPC person a member in this here forum then folks?
I do have some sympathy for the people who got stung. On saying that, anyone who read the site and in particular the forum that he set up must have had half an idea that most of the posters were fake. Unfortunately, if it sounds too good to be true, then it normally is!
If someone really has a winning roulette method, they will do one of two things.
1) keep it to themself.
2) give it away for free because they don't need the money.
It actually makes me wonder how there are any casinos left.
People with 1/18 hit rates using computers. Bias Wheel Players. WIN 3 Million creaming them for millions. Progression players who never lose.
You could not make this stuff up..... oh wait a minute, maybe you could!
Hello everyone,
I get a lot of pm's from people who have paid and are waiting in vain.
Now I do understand that many of you don't want to go public about this in fear that the PPPC-club is real and Simon is testing your patience.
I have given Simon a week to reply me. If he doesn't respond and the members who I have sent the bet agree, I will publish the bet and you all will have it. So unless you post you have been scammed, please don't ask me to sent you the bet.
If the members who I have sent the bet don't agree, I still will as I have promised answer most of the riddles of Charles old website. Because there were some wise words there that are the essence of roulette. And I am sure they will help you to manufacture your own simple bet.
Till then,
Dobidobido
ok i think its time at least some of us come out of the woodwork about this.its hard enough to admit it to yourself that you,ve been conned but admitting it on here is even worse becouse of the ridicule.i loved the site of simon and charles i have to admit and also the guestbook page.i know not all the posters were fake as some of them were mine from start to finish.i did not see jordans post at the time about the boffins bet but i did compare the two sites and yes indeed it seemed like the same in some respects,but after studying for this bet i believed in the site as some of my study was nearly at a flat bet but just not quite as the user commonsense predicted.i also had emailed simon and charles and had encouriging emails back.i am not saying i was sucked in i just believed as i have been trying different ideas out and i knew and still do that it is just a matter of time and simple.
there are no replies from them now so either i have been conned or they are unindated with the sheer numbers.also in hindsight charles did used to say his idea of a good roulette player was a co operate slave so why facebook with simon?
the only really annoying thing is explaining to my disgruntled wife why i used our xmas fund for our children at the time as we save through the year becouse i have a lot of kids lol and being reminded of it daily.nearly made xmas though through betfair but extra hours at work is a penance for believing.the site affects different people in different ways cheers
Thank you 6th-sense.
Slight change in direction for a moment:
I would like to keep to the topic, however some posters are saying that there is a consistent winning bet!? Please realise I have learnt from my mistakes and wont be scammed again. Now I'm not saying you can't beat roulette long term, only that I'm not sure, and the fact that the club was a scam indicates that the club bet doesn't exist.
So please don't try and insult my intelligence. If the club and bet are real, w3m has my email and there is nothing stopping them from contacting me. (I don't see that happening though)
I also was scammed by W3M. I saw the same thread on VLS and I responded a few days ago. I pasted my response below.
I saw this post by Funboy and I had to respond:
I also was scammed by W3M and their "fake PPPC" club. I followed that site for over 4 years and I believed they knew what they were talking about. I fell for the ultimate trap! They fed many many many readers with a bunch of hype, a fake dream, & false hope and used it against good people.
They suckered a lot of people into their trap for an opportunity to join them as professional roulette players. They claimed they had a winning bet that consistently wins over the long term by flat betting.
W3M, Charles Edward Hampshire, Simon, the whole crew is most likely run by one lonely individual who put together one of the ultimate scams. I am in the process of trying to track and locate the bank where my funds were deposited so I can get to the bottom of this.
I paid over $500 to join this club and have nothing to show for it. W3M has closed down it's website, does not answer any of their emails and has basically disappeared! I was a fool for believing such hype. Never again! We live and we learn. I'm sure there are many many more people who have the same situation, let's hear it and expose this crook!
Hi guys, u probably remember me from win3mil forum, anyways i got scamed too. Money is not a problem but my wasted time is. Im offering good money for the information about Charles or whatever he is.
Cheers
Hi,
Further to my previous post, I remember reading the posts in win3million forum in its guestbook page.
Many of the posts, assuming they were from real different individuals, were trying to position themselves in the best possible light, arguably trying to impress simon and team.
Many comments were always praising the good work of Charles and Simon, how the website provided golden nuggets of information, how it was light years ahead of other roulette forums which only were a bunch of losers. The posters basically was kissing Simon's ass bigtime and trying to gain his approval. If all these posters were real, and were banking on a system to change their life for the better, then there may be hundreds of wounded sorry ass lickers out there. Perhaps it may be a lesson in what happens if you kiss the ass of a brilliant scammer.
"Perhaps it may be a lesson in what happens if you kiss the ass of a brilliant scammer. "
LoL
A lesson for us all. ;)
Hopefully, on this forum members and Moderators will be able to work together, to keep scammers off this forum.
So if anyone has any scam-suspicions about a post please let the Mods know, with your reasons.
I to feel ashamed to say that I was foolish enough to believe that the offer made on the win3million site was genuine. But you know what they say "you live and ya learn".
It was an eye opener and made me look at things in a new light. Everyone else that was taken advantage of my deepest sympathies go out to you.
I know not everyone can just disregard the 335gbp and for some it has set you back on what you thought would be a life changing path. The only thing you can do, is to make this motivate you to be successful and not feel sorry for yourself. I sure as hell know that this will help me to become a stronger person.
Believe in Karma, good things will come.
Win3Million/ Simon/ Charles/ Elizabeth/ Thieves
Yes you are a brilliant crook. You certainly sucked me in. And now apparently
others too.
If you're that smart W3M, to write the incredible copy that you did,
you could have made a fortune the honest way.
But you did leave clues. It absolutely galls me that you'd put up as a header
on your site that Win3Million is an Anti Scam Website. No Win3Million is
a how to scam website.
And to think that I thought "How noble a person to help unknown persons around
the world the way to a fortune. And to ask for a tithe to help educate children who need it. "
To think that I blindly gave my information on an application and that I did a 50 Word Essay as to why I felt that I should qualify to be a member of the PPPC. I even included a weblink to my favourite charity. Really laughable. Did anyone actually ever meet these crooks?
I said something yesterday in another post and I will say it again here.
When people brand about stuff like they have never lost for 5 years playing progressions and that sort of stuff, it actually helps people like that scam site to sell systems. What you say can have an effect on other people if you realize it or not.
A lot of newbies will come here and would be forgiven for thinking 75% of all the players are long term winners. However the details or proof are a bit thin on the ground, so they come across a site like 'charles' site and think that it could be genuine because they have being conditioned by listening to other people's b/s.
The truth of the matter is a lot of people come here for a break from reality, this is where people can dream and go searching for something that will take away a lot of the problems of daily life. The problem comes when the truth starts getting stretched a bit and people like 'charles' and others feed of this sort of stuff.
This is where I don't necessarily agree with the negativity on here regarding challenging people's systems. If I say I don't think something can work, I am not being critical of the individual, I am merely questioning the validity of an idea/method. As long as it is kept civil and with some sound reasoning behind it, I don't see the harm. If everything is a winning method, then you are going to create a very distorted picture to the new members and sites like the one where some people recently got scammed will always prosper.
Hello Everyone,
I get a lot of questions about me personally knowing Charles or Simon.
I only spoke in the past with Simon by e-mail. At that time he seemed to be honest. That is why I have given him time to respond with a decent answer
Now for some evidence that doesn't speak for him. . .
When you go to the PPPCwealth site and look up the image name of the displayed picture you find purestock_1574r-01332. medium jpg
Now google this and you will find a couple of obscure websites.
One is entitled xxx. thisisitmoney. com
Now none of the makers have changed the name of this picture.
More interresting, if you look in the HTML-code, all these sites were developed with Starfield Technologies; WebSite Tonight
And wouldn't you know. . .
What did they use for,
w3m. com
acetf. org
pppcwealth. com
Yep, you guessed right :)
Till next week,
Dobidobido
Hi Guys,
Well I'll join the list here.
Im another sucker that believed it all to be true paid the money and not even had an e mail of any discription in reply.
I really thought It was all above board and real,
D1.
Quote from: flukey luke on Dec 07, 09:25 AM 2010
When people brand about stuff like they have never lost for 5 years playing progressions and that sort of stuff, it actually helps people like that scam site to sell systems. What you say can have an effect on other people if you realize it or not.
A lot of newbies will come here and would be forgiven for thinking 75% of all the players are long term winners. However the details or proof are a bit thin on the ground, so they come across a site like 'charles' site and think that it could be genuine because they have being conditioned by listening to other people's b/s.
Well said.
INFO on w3m.com ( curtousey of SiteReport.com)
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Hi Guys, I have to join the Sad Group of the Scammed.
I followed the W3M site for 2 years at least! I must say it was a very good sting that we all fell for. I agree with Vytas that the time we wasted is the most irritating, as lost time can never be recouped.
For interest's sake, I also presume that the "Farmboy's Bet" mentioned in the Guest Forum is also a pipe dream!! I doubt that anyone was sent that one.
Let's learn from this and rise above it
Rgds
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll link=topic=2675. msg25442#msg25442 date=1291652838
. . . .
W3M, Charles Edward , Simon, the whole crew is most likely run by one lonely individual who put together one of the ultimate scams. I am in the process of trying to track and locate the bank where my funds were deposited so I can get to the bottom of this.
. . . . .
I sent a PM to you with my personal inquiry about the name of the bank involved in the W3M operation.
For all other readers, I will gladly provide you (via PM) with the name of the bank according to my inquiries. I think that it is not appropriate to divulge the name openly on the forum. If the moderators allow me to put it on this message board, I will do.
I am also one of the "victims" of the W3M operation, I followed the site for more than one year and I was sure that the content was genuine. How foolish I was!
The "genius" of CEH was to be patient and to lure "many" persons like me since it was not obvious from the beginning that this was a well planned operation. Usually a scam is a quick hit and not an operation lasting more than two years!
Another piece of information from my inquiries:
the bank involved in the scam is one block away from one of the major B&M casinos in South England.
If the moderators will allow this, I can post the name of the casino and the exact location.
It would be possible that CEH was playing or observing this particular casino.
Quote from: Rivers on Dec 08, 03:24 AM 2010
I sent a PM to you with my personal inquiry about the name of the bank involved in the W3M operation.
For all other readers, I will gladly provide you (via PM) with the name of the bank according to my inquiries. I think that it is not appropriate to divulge the name openly on the forum. If the moderators allow me to put it on this message board, I will do.
I am also one of the "victims" of the W3M operation, I followed the site for more than one year and I was sure that the content was genuine. How foolish I was!
The "genius" of CEH was to be patient and to lure "many" persons like me since it was not obvious from the beginning that this was a well planned operation. Usually a scam is a quick hit and not an operation lasting more than two years!
that's how the real pros do theirs work.It was so obvious for us
experienced.And I would bet all you that are scammed are younger populations.
But there is old anecdote which people.saying in my country;--
--There is still a head on your shoulders to find your way.
Quote from: Rivers on Dec 08, 03:28 AM 2010
Another piece of information from my inquiries:
the bank involved in the scam is one block away from one of the major B&M casinos in South England.
If the moderators will allow this, I can post the name of the casino and the exact location.
It would be possible that CEH was playing or observing this particular casino.
I dont see a problem with posting the names of the bank and casino, but do it in the context that they are not part of this scam.
Quote from: Rivers on Dec 08, 03:28 AM 2010
Another piece of information from my inquiries:
the bank involved in the scam is one block away from one of the major B&M casinos in South England.
If the moderators will allow this, I can post the name of the casino and the exact location.
It would be possible that CEH was playing or observing this particular casino.
Good work!
I wonder if he knows the infamous J Ager character - He lives down that way... Brighton, I think..
Oddly, he's just redesigned his website to include a comment forum similar to CEH...
roulette-racing-systems.co.uk
A.
Quote from: Twisteruk link=topic=2675. msg25802#msg25802 date=1291797962
I don't see a problem with posting the names of the bank and casino, but do it in the context that they are not part of this scam.
OK. I will put it this way: I sent to the following bank the amount of GBP 335 + bank fees as the requested club fee for partecipating in the PPPC. I am still waiting to be admitted to the club since I paid the requested amount in time.
HSBC Bank plc.
125 Church Road
Hove, BN3 2AN, UK
From a googlempas view of the location the Grosvenor casino in Hove is just one block away.
I hope this information will be useful for everybody.
Quote from: Rivers on Dec 08, 04:13 AM 2010
OK. I will put it this way: I sent to the following bank the amount of GBP 335 + bank fees as the requested club fee for partecipating in the PPPC. I am still waiting to be admitted to the club since I paid the requested amount in time.
HSBC Bank plc.
125 Church Road
Hove, BN3 2AN, UK
From a googlempas view of the location the Grosvenor casino in Hove is just one block away.
I hope this information will be useful for everybody.
Coincidence? Interesting... That is Ager's patch alright...
:)
A.
Yep, Ager lives in Hove. Shall we round up a posse? ;D
Quote from: Bayes on Dec 08, 04:26 AM 2010
Yep, Ager lives in Hove. Shall we round up a posse? ;D
Im mounted and ready to roll >:(
Hove!!! funny that's what site was linked with ceh years ago I can't remember the name but itwas something like :. hovenews. ???? Funny all so that every email from simon ceh or any other source from them all ways had . . . ok in the email same person allways me thinks! Very cleaver scam i fell in the trap. Doh
Hi Guys,
Someone mentioned about John Ager being part of the posse?!
Well, coincidentally, i have several roulette systems of his.
As you may know, its all progressive systems and and i tested most of it. . . .
with mixed results. . . initial thoughts i wasted money on it. . . but i gave up early
as i did found progressive betting too risky for me. . . . don't tell me he is in the
bad books too? Maybe, i misunderstood.
Quote from: JA on Dec 08, 06:14 AM 2010
Hi Guys,
Someone mentioned about John Ager being part of the posse?!
Well, coincidentally, I have several roulette systems of his.
As you may know, its all progressive systems and and I tested most of it. . . .
with mixed results. . . initial thoughts I wasted money on it. . . but I gave up early
as I did found progressive betting too risky for me. . . . don't tell me he is in the
bad books too? Maybe, I misunderstood.
I remember someone mentioned on GG forum that there were more conmen per square mile round Brighton/Hove than anywhere else in the country and said:
'His site has "rip-off" written through it like a stick of Brighton rock.' LoL! :)
One of many threads about him on the GG forum.
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=282&forum=Gambling_Systems_For_Sale (link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=282&forum=Gambling_Systems_For_Sale)
Apologies for bringing up Ager... His site has style similarities to the old boffinsden/CEH site pages and he has same sizeable ego and talks about charities etc.. He was also exposed but apparently he still continues peddling his "systems"...
A.
You might find that he has many sites in the pipe line the one that Dobidobido pointed us to is a grate lead that was just waiting to start how silly we have been back to the rat race
Ok, So you guys think that its John Ager? Anyone have picture of him? send me to pm. Thank you
have faith gentlemen, roulette can be beat it just cannot be conquerd.
Excuse me, but when you deposit money on a bank account dont you have to provide a name??? So far I've heard no one mention it. . .
Quote from: Ka2 on Dec 09, 03:11 AM 2010
Excuse me, but when you deposit money on a bank account don't you have to provide a name??? So far I've heard no one mention it. . .
No you dont need a name
You can pay money into any account as long as you have the sort code and account number
Bit like only needin house number and postcode (zip code) to mail to an address really
Quote from: Twisteruk on Dec 09, 03:24 AM 2010
No you don't need a name
You can pay money into any account as long as you have the sort code and account number
Bit like only needin house number and postcode (zip code) to mail to an address really
He is talking about OPENING the account, not transferring money into it. And by the way the last time I checked you need your name to OPEN your mailing address or a PO BOX :thumbsup:
Quote from: Big EZ on Dec 09, 03:56 AM 2010
He is talking about OPENING the account, not transferring money into it. And by the way the last time I checked you need your name to OPEN your mailing address or a PO BOX :thumbsup:
Thats not how I read it, but soz if I misunderstood.
Obviously you cant OPEN a bank account or mail address without providing a name, hence why I thought he meant pay into and not open one
Hi everyone,
As expected I haven't heard anything yet from Simon.
But there are still some days left, so who knows,. miracles do happen and it's almost christmas.
No, there might be a justified doubt by some people that Simon is testing who is patient and who's is not. I expect in that case that there will be a refund for the unpatienced ones.
Now, most guys who I have sent the bet agreed that its only fair to give the bet to people who got scammed. So everyone who can prove this, sent me a pm before Sunday and I will sent the bet. Scammed guys who have pm-ed me and haven't had a response yet don't worry, you will be answered. .
Dobidobido
Quote from: dobidobido on Dec 09, 11:13 AM 2010
Hi everyone,
As expected I haven't heard anything yet from Simon.
But there are still some days left, so who knows,. miracles do happen and it's almost christmas.
No, there might be a justified doubt by some people that Simon is testing who is patient and who's is not. I expect in that case that there will be a refund for the unpatienced ones.
Now, most guys who I have sent the bet agreed that its only fair to give the bet to people who got scammed. So everyone who can prove this, sent me a pm before Sunday and I will sent the bet. Scammed guys who have pm-ed me and haven't had a response yet don't worry, you will be answered. .
Dobidobido
Can you explain why by Sunday ?
Hi Twisteruk,
Because then it will be exactly a week that I have given Simon the time to come forward with a reasonable answer. I will post some answers and advice for all also on Sunday and after that I will be absent for some time.
Dobidobido
@dobidobido
IF he doesn't come forward (only IF...)then the guy is an uber-scammer. In which case, why not post the bet for everyone?
A case then of the "biter bit"...a fitting form of poetic justice, perhaps?
Just a thought...
I thought the very same think this morning,
but then wondered if I would be fair for everyone to have this "Bet".
It would be interesting to see, what everyone got so 'suckered' in for. I feel for all these guys coming forward in here to bear-all for the forum. Well done posters. Good to see U all.
Maybe a new Thread/Topic/Chocolate bar could be started and let the "Bet" come out of its hiding place eh?
(Edit- In ""suckered" I in no way imply that anyone was any the wiser before the event
and I understand Ur frustrations at not getting that which U all paid for)
Please, Let me tell you AGAIN! if there is such a bet, I'm 99. 9% convinced you wont find it on here, or anywhere else on the internet.
Why don't you create a list of all the reasons you think there would be, followed by another with all the reasons there wouldn't be.
I suspect there are individuals in this thread that are associated with w3m, or they simply don't have enough experience/knowledge to know any better.
NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC
It seems as though no more people are coming forward about being scammed by w3m? If this be the case I would like to ask the moderators if it's possible to clean this thread up, with only the testimonies left. Then if we could create a sticky and add more testimonies latter? should more people come forward.
Thanks,
Funboy
@funboy
"If this be the case I would like to ask the moderators if it's possible to clean this thread up, with only the testimonies left."
As the thread's originator you are also its Moderator. :thumbsup:
You yourself can 'clean up' by using the Remove button on the unwanted posts.
So no need to ask us to do it!!
Hi Funboy,
Judging from your statements, it seems you feel VERY bitter about your recent experience with win3million i. e being scammed big time.
I think its only natural to feel very negative and depressed and bitter. . . BUT instead of the below:
"I'm 99. 9% convinced you wont find it on here, or anywhere else on the internet.
Why don't you create a list of all the reasons you think there would be, followed by another with all the reasons there wouldn't be. "
But don't let your bitterness dampen the spirits of other people in this forum who are a bit more positive than you. That is simply dictatorial and not on. Forums are places to explore ideas, and be helpful to others NOT blatantly opposing other people's opinions.
JA, if you or anybody else insists that you can or will find a bet on the Internet, that's your purgative. My recent post is however more focused at getting people to stick to the topic that I kindly outlined. With this knew knowledge of being able to clean it all up myself, I might do it soon.
Thank you to those who sent myself and others kind words, and thank you for having the courage to speak up, despite what others may have said about you.
I didn't read JA's post as an "Insists" indication Funboy.
He's just searching for answers and new ideas the same as anyone of Us here.
Maybe when you have hoovered and polished up the topic, you could open up an associated
topic, similar title, for comments, discussion and feedback on this most definitely hot and sticky-rich subject matter.
I'm happy for any of my posts to be vacuumed away, but would be nice to still ask question and source knowledge on the W3M scam, since we are as indicated, all here to learn, share, exchange and widen our data base on the fascinating subject of Roulette.
Cheers
To Funboy,
I think there are only a few players who didn't know of the existence of Charles and later Simon's website. Now the irony is that a lot of information there did help me to understand roulette and how to beat it regurarly. I didn't see the scam until the forum started and some mistakes where made.
I understand your feelings and even though I myself was not scammed financially, I totally dislike the way people were misled.
Now the PPPC bet wasn't hard to figure out and my findings did match the results of the sessions that was given in the forum. I have promised members here to give the bet if they could show that they have been scammed, and I have kept my promise on that.
Now your latest post made we wonder why you yourself haven't pm-ed me.
To everyone,
Never pay a single penny for any system or bet. Only scammers will ask for money. Honest people share their knowledge and know how to generate their income the honest way.
As promised I will give some advice this weekend and hopefully it will point you to the right door.
I will give you some keys, but you will have to open it yourself.
Dobidobido
"As promised I will give some advice this weekend and hopefully it will point you to the right door.
I will give you some keys, but you will have to open it yourself. "
That won't please some...
Either reveal it or don't.
But half-way hints and half-truths are not what we want here.
I feel like i have to post this public so everyone could see. . i sent a pm msg to dobidobido about him claming he knows the pppc bet??
I feel this is just confusing people and promoting the scam of w3m. . . . If people have come forward to point out that simon and the pppc club is a fraud/scam. . . . then it is true that there is no winning bet or the pppc bet. . . .
Even if this bet shows that it produces the same results by w3m. . . . . It could just be a simple bet that is made up for that specific spins to show positive results. . . . fooling people there is a winning bet. . . . . and just helping w3m to recover their repuatation and sayin it is not a scam?
No one knows this bet and cant test it with 30x 100 spins to see if its legit. . . . It is only fair if dobidobido prove to us that it is not a scam or please dont stir things up because alot of people are affected by this. . . . .
And i would like to agree with esoito last post about "half truth and hints" how do we know the truth??
How do we know if scammers are not in this forum or a apart of this forum. . . ??
What im trying to say is that anyone could say "thats a fact" but the end of the day the fact is never proven. . . .
Im sorry funboy for goin off topic. . . .
i don,t see why it up to dobidobido to prove it is or not is a scam.he told you to post and he,ll send you the bet? i don,t think he is promoting win3million at all.its already lost its reputation and there is nothing to promote.its not dobidobido fault we all got scammed is it?half truths?hints? how do you know this? its the same as usual fair or not don,t be goading or taking it out on dobidobido its not his fault look towards ourselves not him
.................no offense to you Dobidobido, however this is what you said in the message to CEH or Simon
QuoteThis message is meant for Simon of the PPPC
Simon,
We have spoken in the past (you know me under another alias) and at that time you seemed decent and honest. I hope you can explain to me here in public of by private mail why these guys have lost there money.
If I don't get a reasonable answer within a week, I will reveal. if the scammed guys who I sent the bet are ok with it, the bet here. And I also will give the answers to the riddles of your father.
You may not care, but if the club is real the present members will not be very glad with this.
If the whole PPPC is fake, than no harm done to anyone. The scammed ones will get their bet which they have paid for. If on the other hand the club is real, let the guys who have paid in.
Hope to hear from you,
Dobidobido
....... you would reveal the bet here if those who were scammed agreed. Now you are saying that you only send the bet to those who were scammed and others agreed.
I agree that those who have paid for the bet and haven't received anything should get the bet, but why must the others agree to it?
If it is an real scam, how much worth is this bet? Ever seen someone scamming and the bet is worth something real?
If it an scam then the bet is probaly worth nothing, at least in the long run.
What also catches my eye, is that those who claim to be scammed are all most newbies here. Almost no one of the old guys or dolls were lurrred inn.......
Carlitos 8)
What also catches my eye, is that those who claim to be scammed are all most newbies here. Almost no one of the old guys or dolls were lurrred inn.......
I noticed that too, but the reason is obvious isnt it ?
AH twister just becouse some of us are newbies on here doesn,t mean jack.you don,t have to be a life long member on here to know roulette,i,ve probably forgot more than what you,ll ever know about the game.a lot of people have signed up just to answer this thread...just like to point one thing out that you are right about yes none of the older members have posted up here admitting they were scammed but it doesn,t mean they wasn,t.they would lose face if they admitted on here so i,m not having that one.
its hard for someone to admit they,ve been scammed as it is, most of these post will put people off admitting it now.
yes i,ve lost money but as an old friend explained to me we have made more playing a lot safer and wiser after learning a lot on the pages of charles and simons site.
i,m still not a happy chappy about it but what is done is done.i moved forward positivley....anything is possible in hindsight,,the scam was brilliantly done and set in motion a few years ago at the beginning only this year did they reap there rewards in.i and other people have nothing to be ashamed of and it will go down in roulette history as one of the biggest scams ever,quite a story to tell my grandchildren in years to come no doubt.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 11, 03:37 AM 2010
a lot of people have signed up just to answer this thread...just like to point one thing out that you are right about yes none of the older members have posted up here admitting they were scammed but it doesn't mean they wasn,t.they would lose face if they admitted on here
Quote
errrmmmm, thats what I meant :)
Ok i got PPPC bet from dobidodo, im not gonna share it with you because its his bet and he asked me not to, but 1 thing i can tell you that this bet is allways losing, can it be reversed? idk. Lets wait and see what dobidodo have to say.
This post is getting out of hand, there seem to be a huge arguement over some bet which know one will know for sure if its legit. . . .
We are in this forum trying to help each other, share ideas, create a way to win in roulette not to fight against each other. . . . .
Im not blaming anyone, i just think its weird when someone is scammed and another person say something to bak up that its not a scam. . . .
All i can say is. . . . . . we must be careful on the net because you dont know who is who and who you can really trust?
For those who is embarrased about being scammed and not have come forward. . . . . i think they are selfish because if they are kind ppl they would help, and speak out to prevent this from happening in the future. . . . . What is there to be a shamed of???
The only shame thing is there are not many decent ppl out there. . . . . what a shameful world we live in. . . .
Anyways. . . . take care ppl
Who knows, maybe charles or simon is amongst one of us??
He set his trap years ago. . . . and maybe his a member within these forum. . . . laughin at us. . . . . . or posting innocent threads which leads us to fight against each other. . . .
guys, why all this fuzz in advance? why don't we all just wait and see what dobidodo publishes on sunday? ???
cheers
hans
QuoteWhat also catches my eye, is that those who claim to be scammed are all most newbies here. Almost no one of the old guys or dolls were lurrred inn.......
I noticed that too, but the reason is obvious isnt it ?
It might be or........
QuoteWho knows, maybe charles or simon is amongst one of us??
That's what I ment, if it is a scam then it is an losing bet....... so what's the problem about posting it here or sharing it through pm.........
Okay, I respect that you promised Dobidobido Vytas. I saw your postings on the guestbook many times.............
However, you said that you were scammed too....???????? In your earlier post here........ and didn't care too much about your money......... So if you got the bet and you were scammed too then now it is your bet also.......... funny isn't ........
I was just pointing out what Dobidobido said in his posting to CEH or Simon, as in later postings it was something else.
Okay, Hans is right. Letts us waitt for Dobidobido........ Anyway, if the bet sucks it will come out sooner or the later.......
TNT, for those who have been here long enough on the forums they know who can be trusted or not......
Carlitos 8)
First of all,
Pffffff ;)
Ok, let's make some things clear.
I think we all can agree at this moment that w3m has pulled the biggest scam.
People paid for something which they didn't get.
All I did in my goodness was to give those people a very simple bet which matched all the clues and results given by the PPPC.
If they want to share it with the world, than that is their decision.
Just to get the feet back on the ground. . .
There's is no such thing as a constant winning bet.
If you believe this, you don't understand the nature of the game.
But there are strategies when applied to very simple bets that will give you the edge.
The so-called PPPC bet, is known to everyone, but the strategy is not.
The strategy I have given is the one that generates the results of the PPPC.
I am amazed that no one else was able to find it.
But other rules can be applied to this bet.
There must be a reason why a bet wins or loses.
And when it loses and you know the reason, you just flip it around.
I could give you all a bet with rules, but that is like giving a car to someone without a drivers-license. A crash is bound to happen.
So instead I thought to clear up some things up Sunday and give some information and understanding. I don't need it, it is my time spend. If you don't need it, then that's also ok.
Dobidobido
Ok ill put this way :) do you think that anyone who constantly taking home 10k more a month profits from roulette would be on this forum? :) Just us fishes. . .
ok I have read enough.
dobidobido shared his bet with me by PM b/c I was one of the ones scammed by W3M. He said "not to share it. " I would respect his wishes if it was truly a good bet, but the bet is so Amateur and such a joke that I have to end all speculation right now.
All new players interested in roulette probably figured playing like this about a week into learning the game. I played it 10 years ago for about 1 hour and instantly realized it is a loser. This just proves dobidobido is as much an amateur as his so called bet. He states "i can't believe no one else hasn't found it," when I read that I almost laughed out loud. It doesn't matter how much you reverse this bet, or what you do, you will lose! Any Novice can or should realize that. He says if Low (1-18) hits, bet 1 unit on first dozen and 1 unit on high, if High hits (19-36) bet one unit on 3rd dozen and 1 unit on low. This is the same thing as flipping a coin and betting heads or tails!
Try playing it for 100 spins and see what your results are. If you try to play it "safe" as he says or "hit and run" as he says, your not giving yourself any advantage b/c you are just as likely to lose on the very first spin, the 2nd spin etc. . . . .
After playing roulette for a while now, i've determined the whole game boils down to betting on the most simple of bets, the even chances. You give yourself the best odds (almost 50/50). It does not matter what fancy bets or combinations you devise, you are only fooling yourself, the odds all calculate down to the same at the end of the day, so you might as well get as close to even as possible.
Now that dobidobido and his pathetic bet are put to rest, lets move on and get back to the topic of others who have been scammed by W3M.
Pardon the intrusion, but Charles has always been against the forums where people inform each other and help each other.
Just wanted to say that his crusade against the forums and their insistence to keep their readers away from open discussion forums is directly linked to his pretension to scam from day one.
When you're a thug, all warns of public information given by the police are labelled not advisable to others. You don't want them to know how to protect for you yourself.
Tremendous disinformation efforts did Charles. Many people left the forums for information only at the site of Charles. Many were doing a final publication about the evils of public information forums and then proudly boasted of being the most intelligent and just listen to Charles. They must be regretting now. In fact, it is better that many should be back reading the public forums to inform the community and care for each other.
Condolences to all cheated, but hey, by all evidence given by people in forums and other sites deep inside you knew that man was not trustworthy and just decided to try his luck.
WannaWin
Wow i am quite disappointed in the pppc bet. . . . lol
dobidobido, you say the results matched to w3m but when i tested it does not match at all!!
If this is really the pppc bet then it is a loser. . . .
I would love to hear what dobidobido have to say about this. . . . . please share with us the information which will clear some things up like you promise this sunday?
............. like i said TNT, if it is an scam then the bett is an looser like the one published by ll l ll l lll ll ......... Who is going to scam an winning bett ....... lol!!
But you are correct TNT, it does not match at all............
Pehaps Dobidobido can share some more......?? I'am sorry Dobidobido that i came on to you an little bit strong. Please do not feel this like an personal attack. However, i just wanted to point out what you were saying in the beginning and later on.
There are a lot of people who come on to these forums saying a lot which at the end is just hot air........
Carlitos 8)
The best roulette strategy-bet, is when u play equal chances 50/50 bet, combining it with win3million page7 money management, this is the most realistic strategy that you can use and walk away with the money.
To ll l ll l lll ll,
You play roulette for 10 years, yet you are on this forum asking me or a bet. A bet you yourself couldn't reconstruct from the results.
If I had found a constant losing bet I would be very pleased.
To TNT,
You say the bet doesn't match the results a all?
Remember, under, yes under 50 spins 10 points profit.
So the 1st session was stopped at spin 48 and the second was started at spin 50.
Now, I get the feeling some people are starving and when they get a free dinner the start to say they don't like the taste.
They even have to be fed :)
I will have to think how to handle this and how to get the information to those who deserve it.
No hard feelings,
Dobidobido
@ dobido
It looks like your beginning to taunt the forum, and some members.
I would suggest, since it is Sunday, (3hours till the end of your week notice),
and you have not (certainly not in THIS forum) heard a peep
from the intended target of your original threat,...
.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/a-list-of-testimonies-of-those-scammed-by-/msg25237/#msg25237 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/a-list-of-testimonies-of-those-scammed-by-/msg25237/#msg25237) page 4, reply number 45....
that you just reveal the PPPC/w3m bet
and lets all move on. 8)
Its time for you to let go of that information that you feel is somehow worth something.
Why you see the need to be the custodian of this bet,
I do not know,
but from where I sit,
not rich by any measure,
not poor either,
I can not for the life of me see why you want to draw this thing out any longer.
Your in danger of being accused of using this forum, that you are new too, to propagate a campaign of your making/design, that I can see will not benefit any of our fellows here,
nor for that matter, increase your standing as a member who may bring something to be party so to speak.
A free piece of advice for you dodidobido- post something of Use, ask useful questions,
enquire with real gusto, or...................................just read.
edit.. I re-read your last post three times before I finally sent this post, checking all your other posts, and the content, and intent of your original 2ND message/post.
Tho for your Peace of mid- this is just my opinion, not the forums.......yet.
chrisbis the word is taunt,the bet has already been posted and dobido has already answered.
JUST GIVE IT A REST FOR GODS SAKE. he,s not your son and he,s not taunting anyone.
post something usefull for a change this topic has gone from us with the balls to admit being scammed to all of you who are changing the subject for persicution of another member.
keep to the topic please
6Th-sense....... Chrisbis is right!! Letts not forget that it was Dobidobido himself that said that he would reveal something and give answers to the clues etc......
He still hass not done it........ Then some kind of an looser bett was posted by ll l ll l lll ll which does not match at all........ The last post by Vytas has more of an match........ Those who read the w3m website and followed the guestbook would know.......
Like i said, at the end it is all hot air....... It looks like this " A LIST OF TESTIMONIES OF THOSE SCAMMED BY WIN 3 MILLION " is just an hoax setup by someone or group of people.......
Well sunday has not jet turned around so there is still time, we all here give you the benefit of the doubt.........
Good luck :thumbsup:
Carlitos 8)
@ six-sense
Thanks for the grammar correction. (Spell-check does not cover grammar)
English is my second language.....................................of not so much value is my first.
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...............And no he's not. definitely not, happy to edit that phrase.
I think you meant persecution, but its common sense really, isn't it.
it sure is chrisbis it sure is.as for a hoax its definatley not i,m not lying myself.
my grammar isn,t too good either
The trouble with long-running scams like this one (frankly I'm bored to tears by it) is that other scammers can jump on the bandwagon, claiming that they have it and you can too - for a price...
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=386&forum=Gambling_Systems_For_Sale (link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=386&forum=Gambling_Systems_For_Sale)
There was another long-running scam a couple of years ago by "Level 4", who promised a Holy Grail craps system (their site was called "crapssystem.com"). There were various options, including full in- house training for $7500, or, at the cheaper end, a "lite" version of the system which was to be sent by email for about $300. Months and YEARS passed without anyone receiving anything, just endless excuses. I shudder to think how much they must have made from this.
To dobidobido,
If you want to stop at 48th spin then it still does not match. . . . i have checked.
According to u, stop at 48 the results will be
16 hit
12 miss (but everytime u miss its double because u are losing 2 units. . . . so its minus 24 units. . .
Now there is a zero which add up to minus 25 units
-25 units + 16 units = - 9units
U are down 9 units!! Even if u reverse the bet and just bet 1 on the 2nd dozen for every spin u get a positive 9 units. . . . which is not the pppc bet u stated
Therefore there is no match to ur 10 points profit. . . . .
You have stated there must be a reason y it wins and lose. . . . . here is the reasons. . .
If the dozen your trapin eg 1st or 3rd repeats u win 1 unit if it hit on 2nd dozen simply lose 2. . . . . .
So dobidobido, if u cannot justify your words. . . . . please dont post things like this again. . . . you just diggin a hole for urself
I dont have anything against u but i really hate liars
This forum will never be clean if ppl say stuff they cannot prove or back up. . . . . its simply just a big forum of scammers working their next victim. . .
Can dobidobido be banned please.
He's doing the sort of stuff that used to go on at the old forum all the time. Claiming to have something and then making people beg for him to reveal it.
That is exactly why I left the old forum. This place is supposed to be different - about sharing ideas and helping each other. People like him are going to make this place go the same direction as the old vls forum. Please ban him.
Quote from: dobidobido on Dec 12, 04:22 AM 2010
I will have to think how to handle this and how to get the information to those who deserve it.
This is against the spirit of this forum, and I don't like the direction this thread is taking.
@ dobidobido, consider yourself warned.
Ive locked this Thread due to the direction that it is headed.
Ive PM'd Vic
Thread continued here: link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/scammed-by-win-3-million/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/scammed-by-win-3-million/)
Below is the same guy (ceh) with another alias, responding to victims and acting all innocent. His real name is tinos guzzardi
Quote from: warrior on Nov 30, 08:28 AM 2010
I'm sorry to hear that, there is a lot of winning bets here, you might not make 3 million but you could buy your self and or girlfriend a nice dinner.
What i dont get is this...
W3m was an obvious and clumsy scam. There were red flags all over the place. It was a laughable mess. How could so many fall for it?