Hello. I have very good ideas what I wanna put into making some software/calculator about it. It would be only picking DRAW matches, and I wanna predict 40% winrate at least, providing me +7% edge. The calculator would take into account lot of statistic based on pots about the two teams. I dont know how to put this idea into calculator making, maybe someone can help me. Please send me en masssage if you could help me, thanks.
What Sport? Football?
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 06, 10:40 AM 2020
What Sport? Football?
Yes, mate :thumbsup:
Putting into calculator very lwo scoring matches with very low chace creating teams, and other ideas could show us a real edge over draw matches.
are you talking sports arbritage its been around for years...look for an arbing calculator..no matter which team wins or loses you will still make a percentage return on your money
thats across two bookies...u need money in various bookies google sports arbritage hope this helps .. my son in law has earned a lot of money off this..betting big ..but you do get banned..there is a way around that
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 01:51 PM 2020
thats across two bookies...u need money in various bookies google sports arbritage hope this helps .. my son in law has earned a lot of money off this..betting big ..but you do get banned..there is a way around that
No arbitrage! I know what is it, and I need to make calculator based on some statics to predict the most value draw games.
if you are only winning a 40percent ratio for a seven percent return...is arbritage not better for a 2 to 4 percent return guaranteed a better option? no raising stakes..no martingale no nothing..just the return? or is the bookies an issue on this? ..no disrespect..just interested in the path you want to go down
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 02:02 PM 2020
if you are only winning a 40percent ratio for a seven percent return...is arbritage not better for a 2 to 4 percent return guaranteed a better option? no raising stakes..no martingale no nothing..just the return? or is the bookies an issue on this? ..no disrespect..just interested in the path you want to go down
Arbitrage l(matched betting) has lot of problems. Need to have a decent huge bankroll on tons of bookmaker sites, around 20-30 site, and bookmakers monitoring the other sites odds too, and corrct fastly their odds, althought the winnings are very very low, not, around 0,5-1% of bankroll. Your account can be closed, if bookies discovers that you play arbitrage. Thousand euros for one site, and need over 25 betting site, so requires lot of money, and a daily 5 opportunity you will win 30-50 euros, but you will lost bankroll some sites, so need to deposit again to these sites, which was lost. Youraccount can be easily detected, and banned.
all correct..though that is a low return you put there..my son in law was over the 100000 mark yearly..auotmated betting sites like rebel betting and odds storm and other sites automatically take you to the online bookmakers you have to quickly guide you to the odds to bet..he,s now migrating to actual e wallet stuff with the money he.s made ..and cashback sites as he feels days are numbered in the arbritage game..and as you say you do need a lot of bookies with a lot of money in each of them..and you do get banned a lot...thats why he bets big..right now as it stands last weekend he,s got the germans and russians major ewallet sites in heated debates with with him about his better rates as there clients are migrating over to him...they want him to keep in line with there market rates .but he has a niche market in a complicated affiliate part of his ewallet site where the clients can become vip members on netteller ..its complicated how he set it up but everyone gets a better deal the more people they bring in...one client put £860000 through his site alone...as i said surely you need a lot of people with money to become a vip.i think its 10000.so clients can actually get regular commision through other people they bring in and so on...very complicated for me to understand the way its set up...thats just one site he has he has various sites to do with casinos ..sports etc...all came about from arbing...casino bonuses etc...and how to use these statiscically propely...to turn over bonuses over...was a few funny moments when the bingo turnover was so easy on a particu;ar site...i had to laugh...
never got into arbing myself..its a long day and boring listening to a computer to ping at the best odds return you will get on your money..but the 50 euro is way off the mark per day as a proffesional
I think it is not worth it. Placing bets over 10,000 euros/bet, ratehr make one calculator betting with edge, that is what I wanna do with somebody. Any help can be donated.
also the five opportunities isn,t correct..0.5 to 1 isn,t correct either .the correct statement is the amount of money in the bookies you have..you win on one bookie and wham..if all you got is 500 in each bookie your money is tied up in that one bookie...that takes time to get out to put back in the other bookie..but there is multiple bets throughout any given day...sports isn,t limited to one sport...money is the issue and the percent return you give is the lowest thats why the bloody computer beeps all day to get a better return on your your money...not for me its a long day..people don,t understand theres a fine line with making money and the sheer lonelyness of sitiitng beside a pc on your own and losing your marbles....we often discuss this on our get togethers..
Ok so this generate moeny for you cinsistently? What program do you use? Rebelbetting is 500/6 months.
i did have rebelbetting...and they do have great offers if you email the owner...but as i say its too boring for me ...my son in law always tries to get me into it... i paid for two years memberhip but handed it to my brother as he was more into it than i could ever be..i,m a roulette man through and through..
different ways to get past the bans is start using friends ..then progress outwards to use there id,s...always expect to pay as an incentive of 500...always confirm id,s before real betting money and always use an alternative payment card registered to them..example is Ffrees card...and its free to get..and make sure they give it you with the pin number..set up online banking yourself with it...you are now free to transfer money into it and open up mutiple accounts with it,,bonuses etc...and arbing...
never underestimate greed of friends..associates etc ...protect yourself you have control over the investment you are putting in...profits are between 3000 to 5000 a person before you get banned..
get money returned onto that card as its the card you deposited on and transfer it back to yourself..
bet big and hard..thats it..thats the basic formula
oh and if you go the casino bonus route there are statistics to play roulette initially thats how i was roped into it..where a statistical pattern was apparent on first play out of so many tries when you win..turn over the win using a blackjack bot with a less degrading loss than roulette to be in profit...
lots of stuff thats interesting..but initially boring the arbing side
Quote from: Mister Eko on Feb 06, 03:34 PM 2020
Ok so this generate moeny for you cinsistently? What program do you use? Rebelbetting is 500/6 months.
you pay for what you get ...thats less than 100 a month and for a serious player it pays for itself..but as i say contact the owner..you could get a better deal i did though it was a few years back...software is awesome...they know there stuff..and as we both know its about how much money you can invest as its across bookies like you said ..and as i said if you have a limited amount of money in one bookie and it goes into the other you have won on you have to wait to get it out...multiple bookies you will have to juggle the odds to play the ones you have money in...sports are on 7 days a week..and not limited to one country...
until you build up initial bankroll its hard...my son in law started off with 7000 on credit cards..its was a choice of arbing sports etc or goods ...he chose sports
Quote from: Mister Eko on Feb 06, 03:14 PM 2020
I think it is not worth it. Placing bets over 10,000 euros/bet, ratehr make one calculator betting with edge, that is what I wanna do with somebody. Any help can be donated.
arbing is the only guaranteed edge you get within this buisness.....maybe low but a casino makes millions with there edge,,YOU MAKE PROFIT GUARANTEED unless you make a human error
As i understand the needed BR must be huge.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 04:32 PM 2020
arbing is the only guaranteed edge you get within this buisness.....maybe low but a casino makes millions with there edge,,YOU MAKE PROFIT GUARANTEED unless you make a human error
Yes, but 20,000 euro at least needed. That is huge, and transporting money from site to site also a problem. Anyway, arbitrage in LIVE matches...maybe...in breaking bet site i see over 30% profit...I dont know if it could happen...or just for a seconds, which is not enough to place bets. But I see odds navigator is making bets instead of us maybe fastly.
Mister eko we need something where a 200â,¬ BR is okay :xd:
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 06, 04:52 PM 2020
200 is okay too. You select 10 site, and upload each with 20 euro. And on breaking bet you select these 10 site, the opportunities will be lower of course very low.
Not huge..paul started off with 7000...its more a matter of compounding winnings..and ivesting them back in..1.5 to 4 or 3 percent per 100 spent doesn,t seem much...you can have as many bets as your bankroll allows in differen t bookies...at 2 percent win on bankroll you need 50 wins.. to double your bankroll...now you can do that in 7 days...
its literally just over 7 bets per day... but sports are obviously in season...
you need lots of bookies and know which ones are reputable to pay out..
the problem when starting out is winning, as u are guaranteed to do..
on a low bankroll that means you have to wait to get money out to put back onto the losing account.. as the other one has won...
initially its slow...
but compounding and re investing wins makes for higher returns..amd bankroll...low bankroll means initially a longer wait
the problem is you will get banned as the bookies know what you are doing..paul use to work for skybet...on there systems you are like a shoal of fish they know what you are up to...
they ban you..
you now need to resort to what i said before..different ids
thats when you know which bookies pay out and which doesnt...
mainly most reputable bookies pay you then ban you
vpn is needed
when playing...
don,t need a masssive bankroll...but more patience than anything... a lot of it
big bankroll would be good if not then a lot of patience...google sports arbing i,m sure you will get a better explanation than me... i just happen to be father in law to someone who knows there stuff on this and use to webinars on it and made a lot of money from it who still pesters me to this day to learn stuff from him
Ye so it is not like a winning roulette system where you can start low and build a big BR real "quick".
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 05:07 PM 2020
Not huge..paul started off with 7000...its more a matter of compounding winnings..and ivesting them back in..1.5 to 4 or 3 percent per 100 spent doesn,t seem much...you can have as many bets as your bankroll allows in differen t bookies...at 2 percent win on bankroll you need 50 wins.. to double your bankroll...now you can do that in 7 days...
its literally just over 7 bets per day... but sports are obviously in season...
you need lots of bookies and know which ones are reputable to pay out..
the problem when starting out is winning, as u are guaranteed to do..
on a low bankroll that means you have to wait to get money out to put back onto the losing account.. as the other one has won...
initially its slow...
but compounding and re investing wins makes for higher returns..amd bankroll...low bankroll means initially a longer wait
the problem is you will get banned as the bookies know what you are doing..paul use to work for skybet...on there systems you are like a shoal of fish they know what you are up to...
they ban you..
you now need to resort to what i said before..different ids
thats when you know which bookies pay out and which doesnt...
mainly most reputable bookies pay you then ban you
vpn is needed
when playing...
don,t need a masssive bankroll...but more patience than anything... a lot of it
big bankroll would be good if not then a lot of patience...google sports arbing i,m sure you will get a better explanation than me... i just happen to be father in law to someone who knows there stuff on this and use to webinars on it and made a lot of money from it who still pesters me to this day to learn stuff from him
So with a low BR it is "Impossible" because as i understand the best way to play is play big and run, otherwise you have the problem that they will ban you and building a BR requiers time and more time means more risk to get banned
Quote from: Mister Eko on Feb 06, 04:49 PM 2020
Yes, but 20,000 euro at least needed. That is huge, and transporting money from site to site also a problem. Anyway, arbitrage in LIVE matches...maybe...in breaking bet site i see over 30% profit...I dont know if it could happen...or just for a seconds, which is not enough to place bets. But I see odds navigator is making bets instead of us maybe fastly.
you will never get a 30 percent profit they have a name for that can,t remember off hand and you certainly don,t need 20000..my son in law started with 7000.you can play about for pennies for pratice ..though it won,t pay for the software..lol..but most people lose more on roulette than the price of the software a month
clf...all i can say is roulette offers you quick winnings..but you need to realise that the growth maybe slow here on arbing with a low bankroll but long term compounding is substantial...you do not lose..only human error ie placing a bet wrong will make you lose
clf yes bans happen all the time mainly becouse they know what you are up to and can,t stop it...
but read again the ways around it...doesn,t matter if you bet big or small as paul soon realised..the bigger your bankroll ..no beating about the bush here the harder you hit them,,youre getting banned anyway,,,
hence the different ids...and confirmed before you start betting..
I understand completly but if i had 7K i would prefer to learn for 2K Kimo Li's method and then try out things like that.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 05:14 PM 2020
you will never get a 30 percent profit they have a name for that can,t remember off hand and you certainly don,t need 20000..my son in law started with 7000.you can play about for pennies for pratice ..though it won,t pay for the software..lol..but most people lose more on roulette than the price of the software a month
clf...all i can say is roulette offers you quick winnings..but you need to realise that the growth maybe slow here on arbing with a low bankroll but long term compounding is substantial...you do not lose..only human error ie placing a bet wrong will make you lose
See here, over 30% profit in live arb. What about banning from betting sites, or lower the bet amount to 20 euro? These can happen, and we lose too not by human error!!
link:s://breaking-bet.com/en/live
there is a name for that..its not a workable arb..google it..it shows up but it won,t be honoured..as for the 2000 kimo li project..he,s a nice guy try him out and let us know how you go..i have nothing but respect
for kimo li unlike most i think he,s an honourable man ..and probably less hassle than arbing
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 05:27 PM 2020
there is a name for that..its not a workable arb..google it..it shows up but it won,t be honoured..as for the 2000 kimo li project..he,s a nice guy try him out and let us know how you go..i have nothing but respect
for kimo li unlike most i think he,s an honourable man ..and probably less hassle than arbing
What does it means that "there is a name for that"...I think live arb is better than prematch arb because there are higher percent profits ranges...but you need 5 secnd to bet from 2 accounts...and pleae give me tips how to deal with banning from sites or closed accounts.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 04:32 PM 2020
arbing is the only guaranteed edge you get within this buisness.....maybe low but a casino makes millions with there edge,,YOU MAKE PROFIT GUARANTEED unless you make a human error
Unless you join the Peaky Blinders :twisted:
Peaky FOcking Blinders
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 06, 05:27 PM 2020
there is a name for that..its not a workable arb..google it..it shows up but it won,t be honoured..as for the 2000 kimo li project..he,s a nice guy try him out and let us know how you go..i have nothing but respect
for kimo li unlike most i think he,s an honourable man ..and probably less hassle than arbing
I am broke as f*ck, but if i had like 3K (plus 1K BR) i would take the lessons.
peaky blinders is another guaranteed win too..ricky has made a bit on that..eko there is a name for that false positive,30 percent..i can,t recall it right now its been a while..it doesn,t matter if its 20 or 2000 carry on betting in that way you will be banned..
i,m saying google what do you call an arb with a 30 percent return,,
learn and know your your stuff
lol clf you made me chuckle
right i,m off see you all in a month or two..
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It is okay, that I will be banned, but how can I avoid this? And when I am banned, they will pay me out, or not? And can I deposit again?? It is not the best news about arb...but how can detect you?
By some Brokers you can use VPN and by others not.If it is a serious site you will get your winnings and then been banned If you try again and others return you only your deposit and then ban you because you are a "system player"
Through your internet provider..you need vpn ..when your banned your banned..that’s why you need to re read my post on how to get past this about using different id,s but you will need vpn for this
Do your research about your casinos available in your country, ratings and reviews.Perhaps 6 sense son could you give you more Insider info
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 06, 06:09 PM 2020
By some Brokers you can use VPN and by others not.If it is a serious site you will get your winnings and then been banned If you try again and others return you only your deposit and then ban you because you are a "system player"
Correct that’s why you use reputable bookies
Exchanange bookies are rhe best for this because they dont care if you win or lose they get their money both way..+ pinnacle
Exchange bookies tax pro players.
It happened with me at betfair in the past, I had to resort to using different IDs.