Looking through some old topics, including those of Kimo Li, there's an often repeated claim about "imbalances" that they can help us predict when an event will occur - or that the wheel has to go from a balanced state to an imbalanced state and vice versa, etc.
I've tested the flow of random in terms of a balanced state vs. an imbalanced state and can confirm all states are totally independent of the previous state, hence does not provide any accuracy of prediction, etc.
Thanks, good to know.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 22, 10:58 AM 2020I've tested the flow of random in terms of a balanced state vs. an imbalanced state and can confirm all states are totally independent of the previous state, hence does not provide any accuracy of prediction, etc.
Well, thanks. But you really don't need to do any testing to realize that spins are independent.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 22, 10:58 AM 2020
Looking through some old topics, including those of Kimo Li, there's an often repeated claim about "imbalances" that they can help us predict when an event will occur - or that the wheel has to go from a balanced state to an imbalanced state and vice versa, etc.
I've tested the flow of random in terms of a balanced state vs. an imbalanced state and can confirm all states are totally independent of the previous state, hence does not provide any accuracy of prediction, etc.
OHHH Yesss, In the short term you can profit when imbalace towards certain characteristics of the spun numbers happens. You need to have is a deep knowledge of numbers disposition in the wheel and their distinct characteristics. Then use Kimo Li's matrices to track those characteristics and try a sound strategy to catch those imbalances.
link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=19191.msg156588;topicseen#msg156588
In this link you have all you need to win consistently playing roulette.
In another life i used to be Carpanta and was very active round these forums.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Falkor you'll save time by reading the basics we already know.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 22, 02:30 PM 2020OHHH Yesss, In the short term you can profit when imbalace towards certain characteristics of the spun numbers happens. You need to have is a deep knowledge of numbers disposition in the wheel and their distinct characteristics. Then use Kimo Li's matrices to track those characteristics and try a sound strategy to catch those imbalances.
Nah, thats no different to random bets.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 04:14 AM 2020
Nah, thats no different to random bets.
Let me disagree.
Spins are random, independent from each other. Outcomes, from time to time, produce streaks that can be profitable for those having sharp eyes..
An example:
Felipe
32 21 13
0 9 13
11 30 0
20 35 6
28 31 29
6 23 23
20 25 9
24 20 12
5 34 25
17 29 26
1 7 18
18 6 28
18
27 29
19 19 25
8 23 34
10 33 29
25 8 23
27 1 33Felipe is one of the dealers from a live online roulette site. These are actuals spins. Matrix 3 spins per raw. Numbers on top starts the session. Last 17 spins present a clear streak and a great imbalance towards certain number. If you bet 9 high odd numbers in last 15 spins or so, just following the flow, are you placing random bets?
I guess answer is nah.
Certainly there are more streaks inside this matrix but they are not apparent for those who dont know, dominate or understand Kimo Li's GPM.
Cheers,
Carlos
Quote from: Joe on Feb 22, 12:40 PM 2020
Well, thanks. But you really don't need to do any testing to realize that spins are independent.
I would not gamble if spins weren't independent. Win streaks and losing streaks happen because of randomness and coincidence. If they happened because of an outside force, like cheating, then it would not be safe to wager money.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 23, 07:38 AM 2020
Let me disagree.
Spins are random, independent from each other. Outcomes, from time to time, produce streaks that can be profitable for those having sharp eyes..
An example:
Felipe
32 21 13
0 9 13
11 30 0
20 35 6
28 31 29
6 23 23
20 25 9
24 20 12
5 34 25
17 29 26
1 7 18
18 6 28
18 27 29
19 19 25
8 23 34
10 33 29
25 8 23
27 1 33
Felipe is one of the dealers from a live online roulette site. These are actuals spins. Matrix 3 spins per raw. Numbers on top starts the session. Last 17 spins present a clear streak and a great imbalance towards certain number. If you bet 9 high odd numbers in last 15 spins or so, just following the flow, are you placing random bets?
I guess answer is nah.
Certainly there are more streaks inside this matrix but they are not apparent for those who dont know, dominate or understand Kimo Li's GPM.
Cheers,
Carlos
Fallacy. As I said each bet you place or each collection of bets you place are independent of the previous:
*spin
*balanced/imbalanced state
*wave
*streak
So there is no "going with the flow" because you can't predict what a streak/wave will do since it's next action(s) are independent of previous action(s).
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 22, 10:58 AM 2020
Looking through some old topics, including those of Kimo Li, there's an often repeated claim about "imbalances" that they can help us predict when an event will occur - or that the wheel has to go from a balanced state to an imbalanced state and vice versa, etc.
I've tested the flow of random in terms of a balanced state vs. an imbalanced state and can confirm all states are totally independent of the previous state, hence does not provide any accuracy of prediction, etc.
Have you read my book?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 04:12 AM 2020
Falkor you'll save time by reading the basics we already know.
Steve, have you read my book?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 11:51 AM 2020
Have you read my book?
How expensive is it? Do you have a link?
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 23, 07:38 AM 2020
Let me disagree.
Spins are random, independent from each other. Outcomes, from time to time, produce streaks that can be profitable for those having sharp eyes..
An example:
Felipe
32 21 13
0 9 13
11 30 0
20 35 6
28 31 29
6 23 23
20 25 9
24 20 12
5 34 25
17 29 26
1 7 18
18 6 28
18 27 29
19 19 25
8 23 34
10 33 29
25 8 23
27 1 33
Felipe is one of the dealers from a live online roulette site. These are actuals spins. Matrix 3 spins per raw. Numbers on top starts the session. Last 17 spins present a clear streak and a great imbalance towards certain number. If you bet 9 high odd numbers in last 15 spins or so, just following the flow, are you placing random bets?
I guess answer is nah.
Certainly there are more streaks inside this matrix but they are not apparent for those who dont know, dominate or understand Kimo Li's GPM.
Cheers,
Carlos
Hello Carlos,
It been years since being active on any forum. I must say. You have a clear observations and understanding how characteristics play an important role in betting predictions. I see you understand as well the importance of knowing the location of each number.
Kimo
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 23, 11:58 AM 2020
How expensive is it? Do you have a link?
Depends, the cost of a nice breakfast, anywhere from 15.00 to 130.00 (collector's item) on Amazon (don't need to post link), a small price for an eye opening education.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 12:05 PM 2020
Depends, the cost of a nice breakfast, anywhere from 15.00 to 130.00 (collector's item) on Amazon (don't need to post link), a small price for an eye opening education.
Is it based on physics or mathematics? The reviews look quite mixed...
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 23, 12:09 PM 2020
Is it based on physics or mathematics? The reviews look quite mixed...
One has to read for themselves and decide. Reviews are the result of people who get it and don't, no in between.
In terms of physics or mathematics, I can say with certainty; it's geometric.
This book will not show how to play any strategy. The audience of the book are for intellectuals who can understand the significance of knowing the layout and wheel positions as it relates to each other. Then, it becomes a matter of thinking of how one can exploit that information, not a simple task.
I believe physics and mathematics has it's applications in many industries. In roulette, however, I believe data analytics and statistics play a pivotal role in the prediction of high value targets, as Carlos points out in his example.
You see high odd numbers is a part of a group. If you allow you brain to commit it to memory, you will recognize that group as it swarms as a group. It's like the car you drive. When you first bought your car, suddenly you recognize that same type of car when you are driving abroad. Why did you not recognize that type of car before you bought the car?
Your brain has a funny way to classify things you want to remember. Roulette numbers are classified the same way. It's your subconscious mind at work. I'll bet you will now notice high odd numbers. If you study numbers in groups, you will begin to recognize all of them, high odd, high even, low odd, low even, high red, high black, low red, low black, etc.
So Kimo you mean that spins are not independent unlike steve is mentioning?
Long time ago i wrote:
"I back up Kimo Li's teachings. Not only I read his European Roulette book but I also studied it.
It is worth the time i spent with it.
Now I consider myself a GPM player which means i know and can apply many of his strategies by heart.
Those strategies implies the use of matrices. Matrices help me track events. All events (roulette outcomes) have frecuency and secuency. These concepts are inherent to those events. When they appear and how they arrange themselves. Time and space (matrix)
When something is missing something else is overrated.
These concepts are taught in Kimo Li's book. I was able to discover them by digging in his ideas.
If i had only read the book, now it would be one more of many in my library."
I could have said the same nowadays.
Carlos
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 01:28 PM 2020So Kimo you mean that spins are not independent unlike steve is mentioning?
Self-evidently they are. Don't listen to any self-proclaimed 'experts' who try to tell you otherwise, LOL!
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 01:28 PM 2020
So Kimo you mean that spins are not independent unlike steve is mentioning?
Spins are independent. That is a fact.
What most roulette players fail to realize is that spins can be recorded collectively to paint an analytical picture of statistics which can be exploited by the player.
A closed mind is a stagnate mind.
Its not a spins independence that makes them unpredictable. Spins having random results makes then unpredictable.
If spins aren't random, its possible to get an edge from past results, even when spins are independent. But not in the way almost every system tries. Its like saying you can fly, and flapping your arms. Wrong way.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 23, 02:59 PM 2020
Self-evidently they are. Don't listen to any self-proclaimed 'experts' who try to tell you otherwise, LOL!
I am not a self-proclaimed expert. Why do you have to make up false statements?
I can tell you this. If you want to make 500,000.00 a year, it is possible. I have graduates who make 40,000.00 to 50,000.00 per month. I also have graduates quite happy with 100.00 a day. I am positive the will say I am an expert.
I say, I am a simple man with simple needs who can help anyone reach their desired goals, expert roulette player, well, for me to know and for your to find out.
Kimo, does your system beat all rng?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 03:32 PM 2020
I am not a self-proclaimed expert. Why do you have to make up false statements?
I can tell you this. If you want to make 500,000.00 a year, it is possible. I have graduates who make 40,000.00 to 50,000.00 per month. I also have graduates quite happy with 100.00 a day. I am positive the will say I am an expert.
I say, I am a simple man with simple needs who can help anyone reach their desired goals, expert roulette player, well, for me to know and for your to find out.
40K monthly!? What BR is requiered...1million? :o
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 03:29 PM 2020
Its not a spins independence that makes them unpredictable. Spins having random results makes then unpredictable.
If spins aren't random, its possible to get an edge from past results, even when spins are independent. But not in the way almost every system tries. Its like saying you can fly, and flapping your arms. Wrong way.
So, have you read my book? In not, I suggest you do. It may open your mind.
My students make 480,000.00 plus a year, not all, some only make 50,000.00 to100,000.00 a year. Imagine, most people have day jobs, ranging salaries from 10.00 to 250.00 per hour. My students do not have jobs. They have lifestyles.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 03:35 PM 2020
Kimo, does your system beat all rng?
Years ago I would say no. However, several of my students have used my concepts and beat RNG on a regular basis.
I do not play RNG.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 03:32 PM 2020I am not a self-proclaimed expert.
Yes you are. You may not use the exact words 'I am an expert', but that's what you mean.
QuoteI say, I am a simple man with simple needs who can help anyone reach their desired goals
For a price... ;)
Why are you selling a "system" that is so good "only" for 2K and not like Steves does for 20k or even 80k? Thanks
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 03:36 PM 2020
40K monthly!? What BR is requiered...1million? :o
Not everyone has the proper bankroll to make 40K a month. First start with 5,000.00 to make 200.00 a day.
In 30 days, you would have more that doubled your bank roll to 11,000.00. Then the goal is to further increase your bank. Make 300.00 dollars a day to accumulate 9,000.00 in a month. Now you a have 20,000.00 bank. Continue with this process and you will have a bank of 30K to 40K to make 1000.00 to 2,000.00 per day.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 03:29 PM 2020If spins aren't random, its possible to get an edge from past results, even when spins are independent.
If you mean 'past results' in same way that you can identify a biased wheel using past results, I agree, but it's a bit misleading to use the term in that way.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 23, 03:48 PM 2020
Yes you are. You may not use the exact words 'I am an expert', but that's what you mean.
For a price... ;)
My students call me an expert.
You think powerful information should be given out for free? Really?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 03:50 PM 2020
Not everyone has the proper bankroll to make 40K a month. First start with 5,000.00 to make 200.00 a day.
In 30 days, you would have more that doubled your bank roll to 11,000.00. Then the goal is to further increase your bank. Make 300.00 dollars a day to accumulate 9,000.00 in a month. Now you a have 20,000.00 bank. Continue with this process and you will have a bank of 30K to 40K to make 1000.00 to 2,000.00 per day.
Making 1200 with a 5K BR could be done with your system,thats what i thought and heared(and in 12 spins)
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 03:49 PM 2020Why are you selling a "system" that is so good "only" for 2K and not like Steves does for 20k or even 80k? Thanks
2k is just for the taster, the price increases to 20k for the full package, I believe.
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 03:49 PM 2020
Why are you selling a "system" that is so good "only" for 2K and not like Steves does for 20k or even 80k? Thanks
There are three stages I offer.
Lesson one 2K
Lesson two 8K
Lesson three 26K
What happens is people take lesson one. They make money, most average 50 to 100 dollars a day because their bank is small. Once their bank grows and their profit grows, they take lesson two. Once they complete that, they take lesson three.
A few just pay a one time fee of 30k to take all three lessons.
So your answer to your 2K question is so people who are interested can afford a lifestyle unimaginable.
Each lesson is a stand alone concept, each earning the same amounts. Lessons two and three are for the students who want to expand their horizon intellectually. Education, as we all know, is expensive. Ask anyone who has a masters degree.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 03:56 PM 2020You think powerful information should be given out for free? Really?
No, but I doubt that what you teach is 'powerful information'. Why shouldn't anyone think that you're not a scammer when your statements here make no sense and contradict basic probability?
Of course you can't prove anything you claim, all you can do is to accuse those who point out basic facts as being closed minded.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 04:02 PM 2020
There are three stages I offer.
Lesson one 2K
Lesson two 8K
Lesson three 26K
What happens is people take lesson one. They make money, most average 50 to 100 dollars a day because their bank is small. Once their bank grows and their profit grows, they take lesson two. Once they complete that, they take lesson three.
A few just pay a one time fee of 30k to take all three lessons.
So your answer to your 2K question is so people who are interested can afford a lifestyle unimaginable.
Each lesson is a stand alone concept, each earning the same amounts. Lessons two and three are for the students who want to expand their horizon intellectually. Education, as we all know, is expensive. Ask anyone who has a masters degree.
So with the 2K lesson cant be made the same profits as with the 26K lesson right?
Quote from: Joe on Feb 23, 04:02 PM 2020
No, but I doubt that what you teach is 'powerful information'. Why shouldn't anyone think that you're not a scammer when your statements here make no sense and contradict basic probability?
Of course you can't prove anything you claim, all you can do is to accuse those who point out basic facts as being closed minded.
All I can say is there are people who do and those who don't. Which are you?
Not all qualify. In your case, the door is closed.
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 04:07 PM 2020
So with the 2K lesson cant be made the same profits as with the 26K lesson right?
2K lesson can make same amount as 26K lesson. The concepts are different. The earning power is the same. The major difference is the higher lessons there is not need for tracking cards. The player looks at the tote board, sits at the table, and places their bets, win and leave.
Kimo, the problem with you claiming to beat all rng you'd need to exploit them (even if you could), and they're all different. No theory will change that.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 04:15 PM 2020
Kimo, the problem with you claiming to beat all rng you'd need to exploit them (even if you could), and they're all different. No theory will change that.
It may be a problem for most. We have four tracking methods going on at the same time, mind you, in our heads. We can attack and exploit any vulnerable opening because the analytical statistic will present itself. You must understand. A human had to program the outcome of the output. My method deciphers their code.
A properly designed rng is like encryption. Just because it's man made doesnt mean theres a practical way to decrypt it without the keys.
You're basically saying you and your students have the hg.
How much are you selling it for?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 04:29 PM 2020
A properly designed rng is like encryption. Just because it's man made doesnt mean theres a practical way to decrypt it without the keys.
You're basically saying you and your students have the hg.
How much are you selling it for?
Yes my advanced students have the hg. It's called Fingerprint, an approach designed to decipher any stream of numbers.
For me, it's not about the money. It's about vetting the individual to join a tight group of individual wolves. 36,000.00 opens the door to a lifestyle.
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 03:57 PM 2020
Making 1200 with a 5K BR could be done with your system,thats what i thought and heared(and in 12 spins)
Kimo could you answer this please?
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 04:45 PM 2020
Kimo could you answer this please?
Yes, that can be done, a person with a high risk tolerance, no fear approach.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 04:48 PM 2020
Yes, that can be done, a person with a high risk tolerance, no fear approach.
You mean that if you play this way it is possible to f*ck the BR and its more gambling than professional? Thanks for your fast answers :thumbsup:
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 23, 04:56 PM 2020
You mean that if you play this way it is possible to f*ck the BR and its more gambling than professional? Thanks for your fast answers :thumbsup:
Of course, it's all gambling.
The safe approach is to have a 5,000.00 to make 100.00 a day, not the opposite.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 04:12 PM 2020All I can say is there are people who do and those who don't. Which are you?
lol, I think people are more interested in you giving some evidence that you're not a scammer than what I am. I'm not the one trying to sell a roulette system which defies mathematics and promises untold riches. ;D
But there are always gullible buyers queuing up for snake oil.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 23, 05:13 PM 2020
lol, I think people are more interested in you giving some evidence that you're not a scammer than what I am. I'm not the one trying to sell a roulette system which defies mathematics and promises untold riches. ;D
But there are always gullible buyers queuing up for snake oil.
You must be misinformed. I am not here to promote my lessons. I do not advertise or solicit. People who are interested contact me on their own accord. The majority are vetted and turned down. In your case, I would never allow someone like you in my circle because, one you have not read my book or care to study my work. Two, your attitude certainly disqualifies you instantly.
The reason I rarely post is because of ignorant people like you. Having said that, no reason for me to further answer any questions.
Kimo, so the hg is $36k, is that right?
Are any of your students in forums who are earning $500k/year, pr similarly large amounts, who can support your claims?
Kimo i must say this is/was the most interesting thread in 3 months :)
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 05:50 PM 2020
Kimo, so the hg is $36k, is that right?
Are any of your students in forums who are earning $500k/year, pr similarly large amounts, who can support your claims?
Yes, 36K.
Students from years ago has been active on the forums. Once they graduated they stop posting. I will ask if they are willing to stick their heads out. Most, if not all, will probably decline for anonymity reasons.
Kimo, what do you have to support your theories? i.e. is there a particular principle that people can test to prove your theories as true?
What proof do you offer to anyone before they send you money?
CLF7, what makes you so sure Kimo is telling the truth?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 07:06 PM 2020
Kimo, what do you have to support your theories? i.e. is there a particular principle that people can test to prove your theories as true?
What proof do you offer to anyone before they send you money?
CLF7, what makes you so sure Kimo is telling the truth?
Because i think that its possible to beat the game without physics or any devices involved and his book makes good Impression to me that he is a professional and not a gambler or scammer....But i get your point 100%, in contrast to you Kimo doesnt provide any proof that his method is a working one.
With roulette systems for sale, you cant rely on someone's word alone. That's being gullible. You'll inevitably be scammed, or waste your time running in circles looking for the secret that doesn't exist.
That middlefinger rating was a mistake,sorry.
As i said "i believe" in it so for the time its more belief/trust than actual proof.
Ok no problem.
My rating wasnt a mistake.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 07:06 PM 2020
Kimo, what do you have to support your theories? i.e. is there a particular principle that people can test to prove your theories as true?
What proof do you offer to anyone before they send you money?
CLF7, what makes you so sure Kimo is telling the truth?
I have posted a few concepts that players could test over the years.
I have no need to provide proof for someone to take a lesson. You see the ones that pays for a lesson are the ones who have done their research on their own. They have read my book. They have read my posts on various forums. They themselves come to the conclusion that I may provide a better system than those they have read on the internet.
Like CLF7, I did not solicit him. He did his research and came to the conclusion that GPM may be an option to learn. He may not qualify based on a list of my criteria.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 08:07 PM 2020
With roulette systems for sale, you cant rely on someone's word alone. That's being gullible. You'll inevitably be scammed, or waste your time running in circles looking for the secret that doesn't exist.
I have never asked anyone to post their methods because I have my own method that works. However, since you called me out on my method, why don't you post something that proves you approach works? Something we all can test.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 11:23 PM 2020However, since you called me out on my method, why don't you post something that proves you approach works? Something we all can test.
I'm not the only one who can provide valid advantage play methods for roulette. But ok start with something basic: try the basic vb technique in the free video on my website. Or the free online roulette computer anyone can test. Take it further and see an in-person demo, or recordings of public demos.
Come on, you'd have to be brain dead if you weren't already aware of all that, or the validity of my methods.
But I was asking about your methods. You claim to beat RNG and have a reasonable following. But I'm not aware of anything you've posted that validates your theories, or your claims that you have the HG and beat RNG.
Kimo, not having proof is one thing. But so far all material I've seen from you appears dubious.
And your claims are a bit "out there". It doesn't mean they aren't true. But for any reasonable person to believe them, you'd need to provide some tangible proof.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 12:06 AM 2020
I'm not the only one who can provide valid advantage play methods for roulette. But ok start with something basic: try the basic vb technique in the free video on my website. Or the free online roulette computer anyone can test. Take it further and see an in-person demo, or recordings of public demos.
Come on, you'd have to be brain dead if you weren't already aware of all that, or the validity of my methods.
But I was asking about your methods. You claim to beat RNG and have a reasonable following. But I'm not aware of anything you've posted that validates your theories, or your claims that you have the HG and beat RNG.
Have you read my book? "Come on, you'd have to be brain dead if you weren't already aware of all that, or the validity of my methods."
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 12:21 AM 2020
Kimo, not having proof is one thing. But so far all material I've seen from you appears dubious.
And your claims are a bit "out there". It doesn't mean they aren't true. But for any reasonable person to believe them, you'd need to provide some tangible proof.
I have no need to prove to the public that it works. What matters to me is for those who are willing to find out, they will be provided the proof, leap of faith.
In 1986, I met a guy in a bar who told me that he had a Dupont product that will change the industry of detailing cars, boats, and planes. He was selling a franchise. I bought it on the spot. Next day I was in Florida finalizing the deal. I made a ton of money, leap of faith. I was on the ground floor.
Everything he said was far fetch. I had the money and means to take that leap of faith. A door opened and I stepped in, changed my life.
1982, a guy told me about commercial investments in Las Vegas, using a private group of investors. I was fortunate to be at the right place at the right time. The door opened and I stepped in. Best land deal ever.
The gods give it and then take it, divorced. Sometimes a deal goes sour, such is life.
Just because you took a leap of faith that paid off doesn't mean the same will happen for others that send you money.
Please give a link to material that best validates your theories. ie your "book".
Only one way to find out.
link:s://:.amazon.com/Roulette-Formula-Predict-Exact-Number/dp/1412075947/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473614788&sr=8-1&keywords=kimo+li
link:s://:.amazon.com/European-Roulette-Book-Innovative-Strategies/dp/1425110223/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/134-0729703-4510716?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1425110223&pd_rd_r=66256fd0-8166-460f-ae6f-a129c4c1016e&pd_rd_w=HwgrZ&pd_rd_wg=SEGU7&pf_rd_p=7cd8f929-4345-4bf2-a554-7d7588b3dd5f&pf_rd_r=5Q4Q3GBJR7D99CM9TVGM&psc=1&refRID=5Q4Q3GBJR7D99CM9TVGM
The only useful reviews basically state its a whole lot of theory, with nothing actually helpful.
Where can i find something solid to test and validate your claims?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 01:37 AM 2020
The only useful reviews basically state its a whole lot of theory, with nothing actually helpful.
Where can i find something solid to test and validate your claims?
Hence the lessons. There are keen individuals who figured out how to apply the knowledge they have read in my books, just by reading posts from this and other forums. There is no way they will ever figure out the hg without taking a lesson. Information is a commodity. Of all people, you should know.
Right. So I have the $36k for your hg that beats rng and makes some players $500k/year.
I would like to see proof before i send payment. Real proof.
Exactly how do we proceed?
Questions:
Q. Is your system purely mechanical with no guesswork? Ie mechanical if two different players see a sequence of spins, then make exactly the same bets.
Q. Is the system the same for real wheels and rng?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 02:01 AM 2020
Right. So I have the $36k for your hg that beats rng amd makes some players $500k/year.
I would like to see proof before i send payment. Real proof.
Exactly how do we proceed?
Sorry, one has to be vetted. You may not qualify.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 02:07 AM 2020
Questions:
Q. Is your system purely mechanical with no guesswork? Ie mechanical if two different players see a sequence of spins, then make exactly the same bets.
Q. Is the system the same for real wheels and rng?
A1. Mechanical. If two players see a sequence of spins, they may have different bets because the choice of strategy may be different, but both will win.
A2. System is the same for all wheels.
Ok. So what makes someone qualify?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 01:46 AM 2020There is no way they will ever figure out the hg without taking a lesson
Do you mean the $36k lesson?
What good are your books if nobody will ever figure it out without your lesson?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 01:46 AM 2020There are keen individuals who figured out how to apply the knowledge they have read in my books, just by reading posts from this and other forums.
I'm confused. If nobody can figure out your system from your books, what good are they?
And why when i ask for validation of your theories do you refer me to books you sell, which dont reveal anything?
Ill ask again to be clear. Exactly how can i validate your theories as true? Ie how can someone know you're not running a scam, before someone sending you $36k?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 02:15 AM 2020
Ok. So what makes someone qualify?
Do you mean the $36k lesson?
What good are your books if nobody will ever figure it out without your lesson?
I'm confused. If nobody can figure out your system from your books, what good are they?
And why when i ask for validation of your theories do you refer me to books you sell, which dont reveal anything?
This is what I state on my website.
"If you are the type of person who:
- does not acknowledge emails in a timely manner
- want something for nothing
- looking for a get rich quickly scheme
- lack self-discipline, integrity, and respect
- is a compulsive gambler
- is desperate for money
- have legal troubles
- have financial issues
- is self-absorbed, egotistical
- have major leaks in your life (Alcohol, drugs, lazy, to name a few)
- is uncouth, dishonest, and lies
- makes promises and break them
GPM is not for you."
The books served as an introduction (2005 and 2006). I am not foolish enough to publish the HG. It open doors to those who want to pursue the journey.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 02:13 AM 2020If two players see a sequence of spins, they may have different bets because the choice of strategy may be different, but both will win.
Your sales material speaks of predicting the exact number. Theres only one winning number in traditional roulette. Spins are independent. So the only way multiple predictions could have an edge is if your system is based on sectors. But rng doesnt have sectors.
Im seeing some pretty big questions in your logic. But let's see where it goes.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 02:13 AM 2020System is the same for all wheels.
The mechanisms for different wheels and different rngs are all completely different. If you had two sequences even with the same prng, the outcomes would be completely different. Not just for the next spin, but all future spins.
Can you explain this?
Ok so back onto your books. I asked for proof. Now you say they can't be used to figure out your system, although you contradicted yourself saying sime people did.
Is there any way i could know your system works by buying your books? You said i couldn't figure it out, but others have. Please clear the confusion.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 02:32 AM 2020
Ok so back onto your books. I asked for proof. Now you say they can't be used to figure out your system, although you contradicted yourself saying sime people did.
There are three levels of concepts.
Level one can be deciphered simply by reading my books and reading posts from forums, not the HG, but profitable. Some level one graduates consider it the HG. But, they have not pursued lesson 2 or 3.
Level two graduates experience a different approach.
Level three graduates experience nirvana.
Right. So i can reach level 1 from your ebooks? Is there a clear guide in how to bet, or is it a riddle like the reviewers said?
Level 1 is profitable. So could i have 10 players using level 1 and they'd have combined profit, even with rng? Define profitable.
Please address these:
Your sales material speaks of predicting the exact number. Theres only one winning number in traditional roulette. Spins are independent. So the only way multiple predictions could have an edge is if your system is based on sectors. But rng doesnt have sectors.
The mechanisms for different wheels and different rngs are all completely different. If you had two sequences even with the same prng, the outcomes would be completely different. Not just for the next spin, but all future spins.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 02:28 AM 2020
Your sales material speaks of predicting the exact number. Theres only one winning number in traditional roulette. Spins are independent. So the only way multiple predictions could have an edge is if your system is based on sectors. But rng doesnt have sectors.
Im seeing some pretty big questions in your logic. But let's see where it goes.
The mechanisms for different wheels and different rngs are all completely different. If you had two sequences even with the same prng, the outcomes would be completely different. Not just for the next spin, but all future spins.
Can you explain this?
It does not matter what group of numbers one decides to track. It does not have to relate to the position of the wheel. It can be totally random. What people fail to understand is we are tracking characteristics, red, black, high, low, odd, even, dominate, subordinate, among other propriety characteristics. The outcome results in high target values. It has nothing to do with the wheel.
On the other hand, it does apply to real wheels in a way that defies logic.
Sorry to interfere but I can't help it!
Kimo, with all do respect, it is well known that you approach is very well studied and you put a lot of work into it. Nobody can deny that and it should be appreciate it.
But still, Steve here has some good questions.
If you allow me an analogy, it will be like this:
So, you have the HG of winning at roulette - a game based on 37/38 numbers. Pay 36k+ for the hints of getting the HG.
Now the analogy:
Kimo, pay me 36k+ USD/EUR and you will have the best meal of your life for ever based on meat and vegetables.
To find out the secret of that meal, you have to read and understand the clues that I give you for those 36k. You want to taste it? Pay me 5k and I'll give you some clues on how to taste it. (As a free hint - it has meat).
Maybe I am over reacting, but still.... I'm sure you get the point.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 02:44 AM 2020
Right. So i can reach level 1 from your ebooks? Is there a clear guide in how to bet, or is it a riddle like the reviewers said?
Level 1 is profitable. So could i have 10 players using level 1 and they'd have combined profit, even with rng? Define profitable.
No, reading my books will give you the philosophy behind GPM. Some players have deciphered some of the strategies only because their perseverance to understand by reading posts. Readers who do not comprehend what the book is conveying will be disappointed. Those who understand, priceless.
Profit is a state of mind with each individual. 50 dollars a day is huge for some. 100, 200, 300, or more becomes relative to the expectations they create for themselves.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 02:49 AM 2020It can be totally random. What people fail to understand is we are tracking characteristics, red, black, high, low, odd, even, dominate, subordinate, among other propriety characteristics. The outcome results in high target values. It has nothing to do with the wheel.
On the other hand, it does apply to real wheels in a way that defies logic.
Well I would certainly agree with your last statement, lol.
So outcomes can be totally random and yet by tracking spins we can predict with more accuracy than random what's going to come up next. And this is from a guy who agrees that spins are independent. Kimo, I think you need to check your comprehension of what 'independent' means. ;)
I sincerely hope that nobody is buying into this tripe.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 02:55 AM 2020
Sorry to interfere but I can't help it!
Kimo, with all do respect, it is well known that you approach is very well studied and you put a lot of work into it. Nobody can deny that and it should be appreciate it.
But still, Steve here has some good questions.
If you allow me an analogy, it will be like this:
So, you have the HG of winning at roulette - a game based on 37/38 numbers. Pay 36k+ for the hints of getting the HG.
Now the analogy:
Kimo, pay me 36k+ USD/EUR and you will have the best meal of your life for ever based on meat and vegetables.
To find out the secret of that meal, you have to read and understand the clues that I give you for those 36k. You want to taste it? Pay me 5k and I'll give you some clues on how to taste it. (As a free hint - it has meat).
Maybe I am over reacting, but still.... I'm sure you get the point.
It's all relative. Would you pay 36K, probably not?
Let me qualify that, would you pay 36K to make 480,000.00 per year?
Would you pay 5,000.00 for Almas Caviar, a cost of 34,000.00 per tin?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 02:39 AM 2020Level one can be deciphered simply by reading my books and reading posts from forums, not the HG, but profitable.
Well I for one would be satisfied with 'profitable'. If a system's profitable in the long-term then isn't that the holy grail? If you want more profit and have a profitable system, you just build up your bank and bet with higher and higher stakes. Careful Kimo, I think you're talking yourself out of a sale here! ;D
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:00 AM 2020
Well I would certainly agree with your last statement, lol.
So outcomes can be totally random and yet by tracking spins we can predict with more accuracy than random what's going to come up next. And this is from a guy who agrees that spins are independent. Kimo, I think you need to check your comprehension of what 'independent' means. ;)
I sincerely hope that nobody is buying into this tripe.
Me too, I certain hope nobody is buying into this tripe. "For give them, for they know not what the do."
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:04 AM 2020
Well I for one would be satisfied with 'profitable'. If a system's profitable in the long-term then isn't that the holy grail? If you want more profit and have a profitable system, you just build up your bank and bet with higher and higher stakes. Careful Kimo, I think you're talking yourself out of a sale here! ;D
Let me make this perfectly clear, not looking for a sale.
Quote from: Kimo Li
Let me qualify that, would you pay 36K to make 480,000.00 per year?
/quote]
I would pay even for a lower amount, to be honest. But... I would need a proof before paying. And I'm sure that you agree with me.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:12 AM 2020not looking for a sale.
Right. That explains why you have a web site selling 10 different spreadsheets at $50 each, and another page with payment plan options including lesson #1 for which you ask $2000. ::)
Kimo, can you tell us what you understand by the term 'independent', in regard to roulette outcomes?
Sorry for the alignment of the previous post... writting from the phone..
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:21 AM 2020
Right. That explains why you have a web site selling 10 different spreadsheets at $50 each, and another page with payment plan options including lesson #1 for which you ask $2000. ::)
Kimo, can you tell us what you understand by the term 'independent', in regard to roulette outcomes?
Not looking for a sale from members of this forum.
Independent spins, meaning each spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:21 AM 2020
Right. That explains why you have a web site selling 10 different spreadsheets at $50 each, and another page with payment plan options including lesson #1 for which you ask $2000. ::)
Kimo, can you tell us what you understand by the term 'independent', in regard to roulette outcomes?
Joe, I am pretty sure that everyone of us will pay a certain amount, especially for a HG!! I would, you would, Steve would and the list is very large, I know that.
Also, speaking from the seller point of view: based on the fact that he spent a huge amount of time developing that HG, drained his brains, a lot of effort... it's kind of normal to ask for a revenue for this.
But, considering the fact that there is absolutely no proof that this so called HG is real, considering the fact that nobody can test anything except reading some clues and try to put them all together....
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 03:18 AM 2020
[quote author=Kimo Li
Let me qualify that, would you pay 36K to make 480,000.00 per year?
I would pay even for a lower amount, to be honest. But... I would need a proof before paying. And I'm sure that you agree with me.
I understand, but you would not qualify for a lesson. You have not read my book.
Tired, good night.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:28 AM 2020Not looking for a sale from members of this forum.
What's wrong with members of this forum? Do they not meet some of your criteria? What's to stop members of this forum going to your site?
QuoteIndependent spins, meaning each spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.
Ok, so that means that tracking past spins can have no bearing on future spins, do you agree?
But tracking past spins is essential for using your system, is it not? Do you see the contradiction?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:30 AM 2020
I understand, but you would not qualify for a lesson. You have not read my book.
Ok, so please enlighten me! You send me to a book! Ok, I'll buy it and read it. After this point, you gained an income. What do I get? Some clues that will send me to another book which I have to buy and get what? Some more clues and you get more money.
Bottom line - I get some clues, you get rich. I have no problem with you getting rich. You deserve it. But still, you know that saying: help me help you. Give something real in return!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 03:30 AM 2020But, considering the fact that there is absolutely no proof that this so called HG is real, considering the fact that nobody can test anything except reading some clues and try to put them all together....
Exactly. Of course I would expect to pay a large sum for the HG, but before doing so I would expect some pretty good evidence that the system works as claimed. Kimo is offering none and asks us to buy on 'a leap of faith'. Handing over 26k based on his word alone is a pretty big leap. It's not as though he couldn't provide the proof if he wanted to; the fact that he chooses not to speaks volumes.
Not only doesnt he provide proof. There are some serious red flags and contradictions.
Also I haven't seen even one thing that supports his claims.
Besides that, I have a theory...
There are tens of thousands of books, courses, speakers out there saying and teaching how to get rich, how to earn enough money for an awesome lifestyle for yourself and 3 generations after you're gone. IMO, why would you waste your time and ask for money for that? Why don't you apply it yourself. Because if it works, you will not have time to share it, to write books about it, to travel all over the world to speak about it and - at the same time - to be paid for that.
You start doing all that when you see it's not working anymore for you, when your income is getting low! OFC, there are exceptions, but still....
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:32 AM 2020
Ok, so that means that tracking past spins can have no bearing on future spins, do you agree?
But tracking past spins is essential for using your system, is it not? Do you see the contradiction?
It is all about tendencies, frecuencies, rhytm, sincronicity, etc turning into data the outcome a random outfit ( wheel, rng, taking the numbers from a bag also) produces. I believe Kimo Li advocates these are key concepts for different plays.
Playing roulette is like music and dancing. Roulette makes the music and you have to dance accordingly or stumble. If roulette is playing rock & roll you can be dancing rock & roll, tango or
whatever, ok? But tango would be the wrong dance for that music. So playing roulette is an ART.
Stiff systems with rules and progressions fail coz they teach you to dance tango for example. You only win when roulette play tango music. What happens when tango music is missing for a certain period of time? You bust your bankroll, easy peasy ;)
Tracking spins let you look for the current ‘frequency’ or rhythm of the table. You dance accordingly. If music changes you stop dancing and try to catch up with the new melody so as to start dancing again. You'll stumble many times along the process of course. That's why you have a bankroll. If you are more time dancing than stumbling then you have a profit.
As every dance you can learn it! Some have the talent to become super dancers others can become just good. But there will be no ‘dream-dancers’ anymore, that is one thing that we need to cope with, isnt it?
In the end, no tracking data, no knowledge of such data peculiarities, is like being deaf to music.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 03:53 AM 2020You start doing all that when you see it's not working anymore for you, when your income is getting low! OFC, there are exceptions, but still....
Then Kimo Li must be one of those rare exceptions to the rule.
I studied his book thoroughly. It gave me the knowledge and a tool to develope strategies to play roulette successfully. I just paid for his book and nothing else. Kimo Li knows it.
I believe i'm deft enough to be level with those taking his lesson one. It's been a long, tough way studying, thinking out of the box to develope sound strategies to win more than i lose.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 01:46 AM 2020There is no way they will ever figure out the hg without taking a lesson.
Isn't that a little arrogant? Well apparently you're wrong, because carvigno has done it. Or at least, he's figured out how to win consistently with only the information in your book. Assuming he's telling the truth and has not just hit a lucky streak, of course.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 24, 05:17 AM 2020In the end, no tracking data, no knowledge of such data peculiarities, is like being deaf to music.
It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent'. If spins are independent it means that tracking data has no merit because knowledge of past spins doesn't give you information about future spins. You can call it frequencies or tendencies or rhythm or whatever, but all those concepts imply using past spins to predict future spins. As Kimo himself said above :
Quoteeach spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.
Which entails that each past
sequence of spins also has no connection to future sequences of spins.
If you're winning I'm happy for you and hope it continues, but if you're winning because you're using past spins it means that spins aren't independent after all. If Kimo agrees with your previous post it means that he believes that spins are both independent and dependent at the same time. Even God can't break the laws of logic, so Kimo must be greater than God. ;D
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 06:44 AM 2020
It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent'. If spins are independent it means that tracking data has no merit because knowledge of past spins doesn't give you information about future spins. You can call it frequencies or tendencies or rhythm or whatever, but all those concepts imply using past spins to predict future spins. As Kimo himself said above :
Which entails that each past sequence of spins also has no connection to future sequences of spins.
If you're winning I'm happy for you and hope it continues, but if you're winning because you're using past spins it means that spins aren't independent after all. If Kimo agrees with your previous post it means that he believes that spins are both independent and dependent at the same time. Even God can't break the laws of logic, so Kimo must be greater than God. ;D
Good one, the one with "greater than God" ;D
BUT... let's take it like this: we all know that the outcome of the next spin is "random" and independent of the last one. The ball rolls over and there's 1/37 chances to hit a specific number, 1/12 chances to hit a specific dozen and so on... Here we can say that the spins are independent.
Still there is a dependency to the last outcomes. I mean... if you had 36 different numbers in the previous 36 spins, the possibility that the 37 spin would be the last unhit number is very, very low. The truth is somewhere in the middle. And, with all the modesty in the world, I am not greater than God! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:28 AM 2020
Not looking for a sale ....
Independent spins, meaning each spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 06:44 AM 2020
It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent' ...
Which entails that each past sequence of spins also has no connection to future sequences of spins ...
logic ...
- "independent" :smile:
- everything leaves a print
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:32 AM 2020
What's wrong with members of this forum?
Kimo has not come on here looking for a sale - infact he came on here to challenge what the OP has/had concluded from his findings ....post haste with the crucification ....doesn’t always have its merit or place
-Best-
Long life to roulette!
Joe, we are talking different languages. You are talking about math. Im talking about coincidences due to frecuencies, tendencies, rhythms, etc that are inherent to random outcomes. It is about time and place, matrix again.
Where you see nonsense, someone else may see an opportunity.
This thread doesnt go anywhere. It is the same deja vu.
Years away from forums to watch trends repeat.
It is the same melody all the time. Always black is favored. Red must be out of the equation.
You dont open to other ideas while knowing math based systems fail.
Good luck.
Hola carlos soy leo su compañero de argentina creador del juego de FR.
Hello Carlos, I'm glad to read that you are active
I'm Leo with whom we share a time on Skype
I would like to contact you
greetings 555
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 24, 08:39 AM 2020
Years away from forums to watch trends repeat.
Aren't repeaters one of the most debated subject in history of roulette? Why so surprised? :twisted:
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 09:55 AM 2020
Aren't repeaters one of the most debated subject in history of roulette? Why so surprised? :twisted:
LOL Good point there!!! By chance, im talking about repeaters (events repeating) but it seems most roulette players dont see them.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 07:13 AM 2020Still there is a dependency to the last outcomes. I mean... if you had 36 different numbers in the previous 36 spins, the possibility that the 37 spin would be the last unhit number is very, very low.
The dependency you perceive is an illusion based on the patterns you see in roulette. You infer from the fact that you never see all numbers hit in 37 spins that the chance of the unhit number must be smaller than 1/37. It's the same with many other systems which are based on this principle. eg you hardly ever see 15 reds in a row so having seen 14 you reason (incorrectly) that the chance of the next red must be less than 18/37.
Apparently this cognitive bias is so strong that it overrides even empirical results (like falkor has done) which show that the probabilities don't change at all based on what's just happened. But I can understand why those who are so invested in systems believe it because it's the foundation of so many. Unfortunately, the foundation is nothing but sand.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 24, 08:39 AM 2020Where you see nonsense, someone else may see an opportunity.
It's not a question of perception, but fact. There are no opportunities in a stream of random numbers; it's a bit like saying someone is a married bachelor.
But good luck!
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 10:42 AM 2020
The dependency you perceive is an illusion based on the patterns you see in roulette. You infer from the fact that you never see all numbers hit in 37 spins that the chance of the unhit number must be smaller than 1/37. It's the same with many other systems which are based on this principle. eg you hardly ever see 15 reds in a row so having seen 14 you reason (incorrectly) that the chance of the next red must be less than 18/37.
Apparently this cognitive bias is so strong that it overrides even empirical results (like falkor has done) which show that the probabilities don't change at all based on what's just happened. But I can understand why those who are so invested in systems believe it because it's the foundation of so many. Unfortunately, the foundation is nothing but sand.
It was just an example based on a very improbable situation.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 24, 10:12 AM 2020
LOL Good point there!!! By chance, im talking about repeaters (events repeating) but it seems most roulette players dont see them.
I know what you were referring to. It was just a joke.
Anyway, as far as I saw on this forum and others, there are a lot of players aware of the fact that events repeat themselves sooner or later. It's a fact! This really happens. You seem to be aware of that too. And, considering this, enlighten me/us on how should the bets be placed with the help with Kimo Li's tracker attached to this post? :twisted:
Just asking...
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:30 AM 2020
I understand, but you would not qualify for a lesson. You have not read my book.
An idea crossed my mind! Kimo, prove to me that you have the HG, share it with me and not that I will pay you whatever that cost of your lessons are, but I have a better proposal for you: 10% of the profits I will make using your method! Forever (well... with this corona virus around the world don't know how long is forever :xd: :xd: , but still....)
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 10:59 AM 2020
I know what you were referring to. It was just a joke.
Anyway, as far as I saw on this forum and others, there are a lot of players aware of the fact that events repeat themselves sooner or later. It's a fact! This really happens. You seem to be aware of that too. And, considering this, enlighten me/us on how should the bets be placed with the help with Kimo Li's tracker attached to this post? :twisted:
Just asking...
This is Katilla's spreadsheet, not mine.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 11:24 AM 2020
An idea crossed my mind! Kimo, prove to me that you have the HG, share it with me and not that I will pay you whatever that cost of your lessons are, but I have a better proposal for you: 10% of the profits I will make using your method! Forever (well... with this corona virus around the world don't know how long is forever :xd: :xd: , but still....)
Sorry, did it with some people. They simply disappeared.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 10:49 AM 2020
It's not a question of perception, but fact. There are no opportunities in a stream of random numbers; it's a bit like saying someone is a married bachelor.
But good luck!
Sorry for your closed mind.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 03:49 AM 2020
Not only doesnt he provide proof. There are some serious red flags and contradictions.
Also I haven't seen even one thing that supports his claims.
I show you proof and you will see the HG. Not a win win situation.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:32 AM 2020
What's wrong with members of this forum? Do they not meet some of your criteria? What's to stop members of this forum going to your site?
Ok, so that means that tracking past spins can have no bearing on future spins, do you agree?
But tracking past spins is essential for using your system, is it not? Do you see the contradiction?
No mathematical logic, therefore, not subjected to your mathematical parameters. Carlos knows the concept. He tries to explain to you all but nothing is registering.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 06:32 AM 2020
Isn't that a little arrogant? Well apparently you're wrong, because carvigno has done it. Or at least, he's figured out how to win consistently with only the information in your book. Assuming he's telling the truth and has not just hit a lucky streak, of course.
Lesson one is not the HG
Lesson three is.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 03:36 AM 2020
Ok, so please enlighten me! You send me to a book! Ok, I'll buy it and read it. After this point, you gained an income. What do I get? Some clues that will send me to another book which I have to buy and get what? Some more clues and you get more money.
Bottom line - I get some clues, you get rich. I have no problem with you getting rich. You deserve it. But still, you know that saying: help me help you. Give something real in return!
Buying my book does not make me rich. For every book sold, I get 1 dollar.
I get nothing from you. Nothing for nothing seems about right.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 01:42 PM 2020
Sorry, did it with some people. They simply disappeared.
My friend, my intention is to win, not to screw you up! As long as you predict this kind of income... why wouldn't ai pay?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 01:47 PM 2020No mathematical logic, therefore, not subjected to your mathematical parameters. Carlos knows the concept. He tries to explain to you all but nothing is registering.
There are no 'mathematical parameters' involved in understanding that on each spin each number is a likely as any other and that this holds no matter what numbers have come up in the past. This is just common sense. It's the same with rolling a die or flipping a coin.
Carlos talked about frequencies and tendencies etc. Do these concepts implicitly assume that you're using past spins to try to predict future spins, or not?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 01:45 PM 2020I show you proof and you will see the HG. Not a win win situation.
If you really wanted to prove that your methods worked it wouldn't be too difficult to do it. For instance you could get the method coded and set up a web site with an interface which would let players input spins and show the numbers to bet. The rules of the strategy would be hidden but the players would win. Everything would be under your control. You could give players a free trial and set up a monthly/weekly subscription service.
Soon it would spread far and wide that Kimo Li has a winning roulette system and you would have more players in your 'circle' than you could handle, and (sorry to mention it because I know it offends you) you would be making a bundle. In fact I can safely predict that you would never have to play roulette again, if you didn't want to.
But something tells me you would rather not do that. :)
Hey Kimo, could you please tell us a powerful concept about random that we might not already know that is central to your book - possibly something that relates to geometry?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 24, 02:51 PM 2020
Hey Kimo, could you please tell us a powerful concept about random that we might not already know that is central to your book - possibly something that relates to geometry?
I can take a group of numbers, 12 numbers groups, and turn it to a 50/50 proposition.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 02:19 PM 2020
If you really wanted to prove that your methods worked it wouldn't be too difficult to do it. For instance you could get the method coded and set up a web site with an interface which would let players input spins and show the numbers to bet. The rules of the strategy would be hidden but the players would win. Everything would be under your control. You could give players a free trial and set up a monthly/weekly subscription service.
Soon it would spread far and wide that Kimo Li has a winning roulette system and you would have more players in your 'circle' than you could handle, and (sorry to mention it because I know it offends you) you would be making a bundle. In fact I can safely predict that you would never have to play roulette again, if you didn't want to.
But something tells me you would rather not do that. :)
I am a Senior citizen with limited computer skills. I don't need to teach many people. I receive money from my existing teams, very loyal I might add. I love to play roulette.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 02:49 AM 2020
It does not matter what group of numbers one decides to track. It does not have to relate to the position of the wheel. It can be totally random. What people fail to understand is we are tracking characteristics, red, black, high, low, odd, even, dominate, subordinate, among other propriety characteristics. The outcome results in high target values. It has nothing to do with the wheel.
Sounds just like Reading Randomness. I've been reading this thread, got this far so far. You take sets from groups like Red in one set and Blacks in the other set from the grouping Red/Black. Then you look for characteristics like singles on the weak side as just one powerful example of an opportunity. ... and now for the level two lesson, I'm guessing, you learn that just because you recognized a working characteristic does not guarantee that you will win. You need to learn to see your phases or trends of effectiveness too. I see perfect intervals of losses that are all filled with perfect looking opportunities. It just happens to go down as a losing streak even though you see perfect occurring sequences of trends. This is why people give up on using characteristics in sets and groupings. They have all the proof that they need that it can't and does not work. Only they should have learned the next level before giving up. They must learn to react to and live with losing streaks. That takes a lot of practice and skill. In no way is this method mechanical. A person needs to know when to attack and when to back off or even withdraw. That comes from knowing what to do and when to do it. Hence teaching , learning, and gaining experience.
It's not the sets and groupings that are magic. It's in knowing what to do with them after they show opportunity. I use to ask people that think they know that all this is baloney what they would do if they discovered a sleeping dozen in the middle of a 30 spin nap. Every so called expert said that you can't know that a dozen is sleeping. Some people just can't be taught.
Kimo....do not fall into this debate...and for everyone else show some respect...Kimo is a genuine guy..
He personally sent me an autographed copy of his book to my home address...
At his own expense ....steves roulette computers looks great in a basement..with a fixed camera..but come on guys...put a button hole camera in your jacket...think you could aim that right?...
hell get a pair of specs....steve,s shown no real live proof either..only the principle...no disrespect to you either steve...concept is good but we also don,t hear anything from anyone that it works...
could be a non disclosure agreement for that...and kimo,s non disclosure is loyalty..
don,t see the difference
i can only apologize Kimo for the blatant hostility...hope you are well...a lot of your stuff in the book except global pies is attatched to the ayk tracker...which i had asked ayk to put in well before you sent me the book...after reading it i see the correlation ..
hope you are well
From my side, I never said that Kimo is not a genuine guy or that he's a scammer. I remember saying that I respect his work and if what he created is real and provides an income, I am willing to pay! No problem with that...
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 06:44 AM 2020
It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent'. If spins are independent it means that tracking data has no merit because knowledge of past spins doesn't give you information about future spins. You can call it frequencies or tendencies or rhythm or whatever, but all those concepts imply using past spins to predict future spins.
If a spin is independent, and it is, then how can a constant for independence cause or prevent a coincidence from continuing? In other words an independent result can be an accumulation of independent results. You can confirm if a coincidence continues or ends without needing a power of prediction. But the real question is, can you deal with a coincidence knowing it is a culmination of independent results? Why get stuck on prediction as a needed power? Everybody is stuck on prediction and claiming it is the power being described. Why can't you just see a coincidence and deal with it as if no power caused it? Because no power did cause it. All you have to do is think of a way to deal with coincidences. That takes an unstuck mind.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:02 PM 2020
I can take a group of numbers, 12 numbers groups, and turn it to a 50/50 proposition.
So can I. One way is to see the sleeping dozen and to bet one side of the remaining two dozens with 20 units and the other non sleeping dozen with 10 units. That's a total of 30 units bet. If the dozen with the 20 units hit then I get 30 more units. That's a 50 /50 bet. If the dozen with the 10 units hit I get a net break even as if the bet never happens. I bet 30 units and netted 30 units. If I lose the bet because the sleeping dozen wakes up then I lose 30 units. Once again this is a 50/50 bet. But I'm covering two thirds of the table on each try. Big deal, whoopty doo. I shared this concept more than ten years ago at Gambler's Glen. I don't like waiting on sleeping dozens anymore.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 24, 03:27 PM 2020
Kimo....do not fall into this debate...and for everyone else show some respect...Kimo is a genuine guy..
He personally sent me an autographed copy of his book to my home address...
At his own expense ....steves roulette computers looks great in a basement..with a fixed camera..but come on guys...put a button hole camera in your jacket...think you could aim that right?...
hell get a pair of specs....steve,s shown no real live proof either..only the principle...no disrespect to you either steve...concept is good but we also don,t hear anything from anyone that it works...
could be a non disclosure agreement for that...and kimo,s non disclosure is loyalty..
don,t see the difference
i can only apologize Kimo for the blatant hostility...hope you are well...a lot of your stuff in the book except global pies is attatched to the ayk tracker...which i had asked ayk to put in well before you sent me the book...after reading it i see the correlation ..
hope you are well
Hello six-sense,
Thank you for your kind words. Don't worry, these attacks are the result of people who know only what they know and cannot imagine that an HG looks like. They are frustrated.
Take care of yourself,
Kimo
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:10 PM 2020
I am a Senior citizen with limited computer skills. I don't need to teach many people. I receive money from my existing teams, very loyal I might add. I love to play roulette.
I think you are buddha here :lol:
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 24, 03:54 PM 2020
So can I. One way is to see the sleeping dozen and to bet one side of the remaining two dozens with 20 units and the other non sleeping dozen with 10 units. That's a total of 30 units bet. If the dozen with the 20 units hit then I get 30 more units. That's a 50 /50 bet. If the dozen with the 10 units hit I get a net break even as if the bet never happens. I bet 30 units and netted 30 units. If I lose the bet because the sleeping dozen wakes up then I lose 30 units. Once again this is a 50/50 bet. But I'm covering two thirds of the table on each try. Big deal, whoopty doo. I shared this concept more than ten years ago at Gambler's Glen. I don't like waiting on sleeping dozens anymore.
We are talking about two different approaches. I use six units. You have no clue. What you preach in your random thread is pure non-sense. Do you know why you cannot win?, because you are a compulsive gambler. Sure you can make a profit. But like every single roulette player who thinks they have the HG, they lack the discipline to execute the rules. One slip, you are in tilt mode because you "think" you can recover. But you can't, you don't have the proper bank to execute your strategy.
You are the only person I know that claim to beat the game of roulette; and yet, nothing to show for. I deliberately avoid posting on your threads because you are a bully. You carry an arrogance towards all people who discredit your work. Speak plainly; maybe someone will listen. I have no respect for you. Stay in your lane.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 24, 05:17 AM 2020Tracking spins let you look for the current ‘frequency’ or rhythm of the table. You dance accordingly.
Sure. But the problem is most people think the rhythm is doing cartwheels, when it's the tango.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 24, 05:37 AM 2020I studied his book thoroughly. It gave me the knowledge and a tool to develope strategies to play roulette successfully.
So you're making a fortune now?
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 07:13 AM 2020Still there is a dependency to the last outcomes. I mean... if you had 36 different numbers in the previous 36 spins, the possibility that the 37 spin would be the last unhit number is very, very low. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Classic fallacy. A long way to go.
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Feb 24, 07:21 AM 2020- "independent"
- everything leaves a print
Yes, it does. But if the print was an animal paw in the dirt, a typical losing player thinks the print is from an ink jet printer. He's got no clue.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 24, 08:39 AM 2020Im talking about coincidences due to frecuencies, tendencies, rhythms, etc that are inherent to random outcomes. It is about time and place, matrix again.
More fallacy.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Feb 24, 09:55 AM 2020Aren't repeaters one of the most debated subject in history of roulette? Why so surprised?
Yes because people that dont understand spread rubbish to other similarly uneducated people. These uneducated people don't know their hypothesis is as old as gambling itself, and tested to exhaustion by people who are the foundation of casinos. And these people laugh at the gamblers with no clue.
On some forums, the truth is so well known. On gambling forums, the logic and truth is absent, and often debated. Its really like a debate with flat earthers with no idea.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 24, 03:27 PM 2020Kimo is a genuine guy..
He personally sent me an autographed copy of his book to my home address...
It's conclusive then. His approaches work.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 24, 03:27 PM 2020steves roulette computers looks great in a basement..with a fixed camera..but come on guys...put a button hole camera in your jacket...think you could aim that right?...
You dont know what you dont know.
* The cameras are auto aiming and auto track wheel postion
* The camerras only need to see an edge of the wheel, then they automatically tell the camera wearer to aim up, left, down or right to center the wheel.
* The cameras can be zoomed as needed
You've really got no idea, but this is not about my approaches.
Kimo, you're not being "attacked". You are being rightfully questioned, and I dont find your answers convincing because of contradictions and statements I know aren't accurate.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 24, 03:36 PM 2020an independent result can be an accumulation of independent results
That happens because there are 37 or 38 pockets on the wheel, and each has a probability of 1 in 37 or 1 in 38 on the wheel.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 04:47 PM 2020
We are talking about two different approaches. I use six units. You have no clue. What you preach in your random thread is pure non-sense. Do you know why you cannot win?, because you are a compulsive gambler. Sure you can make a profit. But like every single roulette player who thinks they have the HG, they lack the discipline to execute the rules. One slip, you are in tilt mode because you "think" you can recover. But you can't, you don't have the proper bank to execute your strategy.
You are the only person I know that claim to beat the game of roulette; and yet, nothing to show for. I deliberately avoid posting on your threads because you are a bully. You carry an arrogance towards all people who discredit your work. Speak plainly; maybe someone will listen. I have no respect for you. Stay in your lane.
That's a lot of defensive missive. "Me thinks you protest too much."
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 05:15 PM 2020
That happens because there are 37 or 38 pockets on the wheel, and each has a probability of 1 in 37 or 1 in 38 on the wheel.
That explains 30 sleeping dozens in a row. You know, the accumulation of 30 independent results.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 24, 06:17 PM 2020That explains 30 sleeping dozens in a row. You know, the accumulation of 30 independent results.
Yes, it does. It's normal probability.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 03:02 PM 2020
I can take a group of numbers, 12 numbers groups, and turn it to a 50/50 proposition.
Can you do the same with a single dozen?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 04:47 PM 2020
We are talking about two different approaches. I use six units. You have no clue. What you preach in your random thread is pure non-sense. Do you know why you cannot win?, because you are a compulsive gambler. Sure you can make a profit. But like every single roulette player who thinks they have the HG, they lack the discipline to execute the rules. One slip, you are in tilt mode because you "think" you can recover. But you can't, you don't have the proper bank to execute your strategy.
You are the only person I know that claim to beat the game of roulette; and yet, nothing to show for. I deliberately avoid posting on your threads because you are a bully. You carry an arrogance towards all people who discredit your work. Speak plainly; maybe someone will listen. I have no respect for you. Stay in your lane.
Let's parse your ranting.
1.) "We are talking about two different approaches. I use six units. You have no clue. "
How about 4 on one dozen and 2 on the other dozen. It's still not clear what your mystery secret is since you brought it up in the first place like bragging. BTW, is that too rude for you?
2.) "What you preach in your random thread is pure non-sense." Is it? I would laugh my ass off if you have repackaged all my stuff and are selling it for $46,000. Meanwhile there are people that have found my teaching, not preaching, useful to them, and all for free including free software to practice on. But this makes you defensive somehow. Just chalk that up to my arrogance.
3.) "Do you know why you cannot win?, because you are a compulsive gambler." That must be true because you are such a good judge of character. It's a nice diversion that might be indicative of a simple process known as projection. This could actually be you that you are describing. Then there is that altruistic $46,000. Something's not right. Why did you blow your top again?
4.) "Sure you can make a profit. But like every single roulette player who thinks they have the HG, they lack the discipline to execute the rules. One slip, you are in tilt mode because you "think" you can recover. But you can't, you don't have the proper bank to execute your strategy."
This is the best of all. You don't actually get what I taught. And I'm just guessing here but you must have some secret beyond seeing trends and triggers in your custom made up groupings. I've always been suspicious of you. You didn't have all three layers of teaching. You just had the magical groups and sets at first. Makes a person think twice where you got your ideas. Could it just be two people having the same idea at nearly the same time. It must really cramp your style to see me give it away for free. Of course you must trash it. I mean you have suckers to entice. You do get the part where I have placed it into other peoples hands in order to prove it. I'm just helping those that want the help and dealing with people like you that don't. It's as simple as that. Geez... $46,000. It staggers the imagination.
5.) "You are the only person I know that claim to beat the game of roulette; and yet, nothing to show for. "
Is that true? I have people that can talk about it and discuss it openly because I shared it openly. You don't. How much are they worth? When I set out to share this I wasn't thinking of myself. Not in dollars that is. I'm beating you to the mountain top even if what you are selling is different. But you sure do make it a lot of fun on the way. If my stuff goes viral then you can kiss off your $46,000.
6.) " I deliberately avoid posting on your threads because you are a bully."
Not to people that are really trying. Trolls get treated as they should. Skeptics that use the same old cliche, math excuses, and progressions are there just to distract from questions and answers. You should give away your secret. The reward is far greater than what it took to figure it all out in the first place.
7.) "You carry an arrogance towards all people who discredit your work."
Nobody has discredited my work with proof. Bring the proof if you dare. Opinions are not proof. I'm just going to keep letting people learn it for free. Then one day it will have always been the truth. No money, no fees, no secret levels, no $46,000. You know the last scam artist around here claimed that I took all my ideas from him. I love how giving it away for free brings out the best from those that charge.
BTW, stay in your lane, where the road kill is.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 06:30 PM 2020
Yes, it does. It's normal probability.
It is normal probability. You see, we agree a lot.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 24, 06:32 PM 2020
Can you do the same with a single dozen?
What's your point?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 24, 07:09 PM 2020
Let's parse your ranting.
1.) "We are talking about two different approaches. I use six units. You have no clue. "
How about 4 on one dozen and 2 on the other dozen. It's still not clear what your mystery secret is since you brought it up in the first place like bragging. BTW, is that too rude for you?
2.) "What you preach in your random thread is pure non-sense." Is it? I would laugh my ass off if you have repackaged all my stuff and are selling it for $46,000. Meanwhile there are people that have found my teaching, not preaching, useful to them, and all for free including free software to practice on. But this makes you defensive somehow. Just chalk that up to my arrogance.
3.) "Do you know why you cannot win?, because you are a compulsive gambler." That must be true because you are such a good judge of character. It's a nice diversion that might be indicative of a simple process known as projection. This could actually be you that you are describing. Then there is that altruistic $46,000. Something's not right. Why did you blow your top again?
4.) "Sure you can make a profit. But like every single roulette player who thinks they have the HG, they lack the discipline to execute the rules. One slip, you are in tilt mode because you "think" you can recover. But you can't, you don't have the proper bank to execute your strategy."
This is the best of all. You don't actually get what I taught. And I'm just guessing here but you must have some secret beyond seeing trends and triggers in your custom made up groupings. I've always been suspicious of you. You didn't have all three layers of teaching. You just had the magical groups and sets at first. Makes a person think twice where you got your ideas. Could it just be two people having the same idea at nearly the same time. It must really cramp your style to see me give it away for free. Of course you must trash it. I mean you have suckers to entice. You do get the part where I have placed it into other peoples hands in order to prove it. I'm just helping those that want the help and dealing with people like you that don't. It's as simple as that. Geez... $46,000. It staggers the imagination.
5.) "You are the only person I know that claim to beat the game of roulette; and yet, nothing to show for. "
Is that true? I have people that can talk about it and discuss it openly because I shared it openly. You don't. How much are they worth? When I set out to share this I wasn't thinking of myself. Not in dollars that is. I'm beating you to the mountain top even if what you are selling is different. But you sure do make it a lot of fun on the way. If my stuff goes viral then you can kiss off your $46,000.
6.) " I deliberately avoid posting on your threads because you are a bully."
Not to people that are really trying. Trolls get treated as they should. Skeptics that use the same old cliche, math excuses, and progressions are there just to distract from questions and answers. You should give away your secret. The reward is far greater than what it took to figure it all out in the first place.
7.) "You carry an arrogance towards all people who discredit your work."
Nobody has discredited my work with proof. Bring the proof if you dare. Opinions are not proof. I'm just going to keep letting people learn it for free. Then one day it will have always been the truth. No money, no fees, no secret levels, no $46,000. You know the last scam artist around here claimed that I took all my ideas from him. I love how giving it away for free brings out the best from those that charge.
BTW, stay in your lane, where the road kill is.
Not falling for your shenanigans, nice try.
Well, back to making money..."Hasta la vista"
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 24, 07:45 PM 2020Well, back to making money...
Yes, this thread should have generated a few sales for you.
Back to the subject of this thread : anyone who thinks they can benefit from statistical imbalance using Kimo's methods or anyone else's should read and try to understand this :
link:s://:.statisticshowto.datasciencecentral.com/probability-and-statistics/dependent-events-independent/
Let's be honest. Some people are either so dumb, or so ignorant, nothing will get through to them. Mostly its willful ignorance, because the principles really aren't complicated.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 25, 03:58 AM 2020Back to the subject of this thread : anyone who thinks they can benefit from statistical imbalance using Kimo's methods or anyone else's should read and try to understand this :
Oh, good one. So let's see how this all plays out and if dependence or independence matters. For that matter a Roulette wheel is like replacing the cards on each try, in this case a spin. Let's say that you can see a perfect reoccurring single on the weak side in the Red/Black grouping. Let's say that it has been happening for 14 spins in a row. In order for this characteristic to continue it must be a dependent event on the next spin. So the odds don't change but the situation is dependent on the condition continuing or not. So Roulette or a coin toss for that matter is a dependent game if you make it a dependent game. Who cares if it is or if it is not? Does caring make it dependent? Or does not caring make it independent, like purchasing a car and purchasing a coat in the example video? The odds don't change but one thing depends on the other for it to continue. Odds don't tell you when a win streak will occur, how long it will continue, and when it will end. Yet these conditions happen every day. If this is conditional then why are smart people ignoring it?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 25, 06:53 AM 2020In order for this characteristic to continue it must be a dependent event on the next spin. So the odds don't change but the situation is dependent on the condition continuing or not.
Giz, why must the event be dependent for the characteristic to continue? It doesn't. The characteristic might or might not continue but it's not dependent on the
observed characteristic.
If the odds don't change that's enough to tell you that the events (the characteristic continuing and the outcome of the next spin) are independent.
The problem is that people read too much into what they see on the marquee. It's very simple but people have a tendency to make things complicated. We are pattern seeking creatures; that serves us well most of the time but not always!
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Feb 24, 06:32 PM 2020
Can you do the same with a single dozen?
With a single dozen he can do better. Then it is 100%.
If you see these patterns repeating stubbornly you win 100% of the time:
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3
1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
By the way, if repetition of last 12 numbers spun (dozen, column or whatever group of 12 numbers) are missing, taking a nap, then it means 12 numbers are missing next spin if tendency continues ;). So it is another way of having a dozen or column missing.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 25, 08:41 AM 2020
The problem is that people read too much into what they see on the marquee. It's very simple but people have a tendency to make things complicated. We are pattern seeking creatures; that serves us well most of the time but not always!
You can always bet randomly, without watching the marquee. But it should be sad to be betting red, open your eyes and see a serie of 8 blacks.
i would say a random picked 12 number group would behave the same as a dozen or column bet...
for number groups its all on my tracker thats tagged alongside ayks main tracker...there are 4 groups in there...cross correlated to the wheel numbers if set out in a normal table layout ...
you really need to look at what the wheel is spitting out to give you its own 12 numbers within a statistical imbalance of the whole cycle not fixed numbers ..
just my two pennies worth...no static 12 numbers will be any different than a column or dozen
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 25, 09:26 AM 2020But it should be sad to be betting red, open your eyes and see a serie of 8 blacks.
Why sad? Some people will tell you that your next bet should be black and others will say it should be red. Those who are correct will say it doesn't matter.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 25, 09:36 AM 2020just my two pennies worth...no static 12 numbers will be any different than a column or dozen
Good call. The only thing which affects the odds of a bet winning is
how many numbers you bet, not what came before.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 25, 09:36 AM 2020ayks main tracker
Second time you refer to ayks main tracker. Which one is it?
If you feel like sharing thanks in advance.
Absolutely. Any group of 12 numbers isnt different than a column or dozen.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 25, 09:50 AM 2020
Good call. The only thing which affects the odds of a bet winning is how many numbers you bet, not what came before.
The odds of a bet doesnt change due to how many numbers you bet. Same odds for one number bet x 12 spins or 12 numbers x 1 spin.
Ayks main tracker is on the left though we worked together on the features you see he’s done the best roulette tracker anywhere in the world as far as I’m concerned..
My personal tracker is The coloured boxes on the right hand side
Ayks tracker link
link:://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/
Oh here’s the wheel layout in table form
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20621.0;attach=37601
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 25, 10:00 AM 2020The odds of a bet doesnt change due to how many numbers you bet. Same odds for one number bet x 12 spins or 12 numbers x 1 spin.
Actually that's not correct. But what I meant was that if you bet 1 number the odds of winning are of course not the same as when you bet 10 numbers (for a single spin).
Thanks for sharing, 6th Sense. Great job done there. Useful tool.
That's the wheel layout i work with. It means you are in the good track as you know.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 25, 08:41 AM 2020
Giz, why must the event be dependent for the characteristic to continue? It doesn't. The characteristic might or might not continue but it's not dependent on the observed characteristic.
If the odds don't change that's enough to tell you that the events (the characteristic continuing and the outcome of the next spin) are independent.
The problem is that people read too much into what they see on the marquee. It's very simple but people have a tendency to make things complicated. We are pattern seeking creatures; that serves us well most of the time but not always!
Geez!
"Back to the subject of this thread : anyone who thinks they can benefit from statistical imbalance using Kimo's methods or anyone else's should read and try to understand this :"
You can't read I guess? You get me to go to this page on dependence or independence and then you yourself can't see what it says. Here, let me spell it out for you. To have 10 reds in a row you must first have 9 in a row. Ten in a row is dependent on nine in a row already occurring and has nothing to do with the odds. And there are odds for that too anyway. Three in a row on a coin flip is 12.5%. Four in a row is half of that.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 25, 09:36 AM 2020just my two pennies worth...no static 12 numbers will be any different than a column or dozen
Yep, that's the truth. People attach magical beliefs to new and unique groupings expecting a different result. It doesn't work that way.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 25, 09:50 AM 2020
Good call. The only thing which affects the odds of a bet winning is how many numbers you bet, not what came before.
I don't agree. The odds are irrelevant. What matters are your guesses and if they are part of a win streak or a losing streak. The odds can't tell you of the current conditions. Only the results after they occur. I've killed the casino with patterns of rhythm that kept perfect beat for 36 spins in a row before starting to fall apart. The same 12 numbers went win, win, lose for a perfect repetition. I trained myself to see patterns like this so that I could win a monster session. But a guy with a slide rule up his rectum can't see things like this because they are so busy trying to confirm that trends or patterns don't matter. I wonder how many millions are left on the table because people don't take chances on perfect occurring things.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 25, 09:52 AM 2020
Absolutely. Any group of 12 numbers isnt different than a column or dozen.
statistically 12 numbers is not equal to a dozen
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 25, 11:02 AM 2020To have 10 reds in a row you must first have 9 in a row. Ten in a row is dependent on nine in a row already occurring and has nothing to do with the odds.
Ok, but having seen 9 doesn't affect the future outcome. Of course it's trivially true that having seen 10 in a row there must have been 9 in a row (in hindsight), but what good is knowing that?
The point of the link is to show what dependence means when it actually does affect future outcomes, like the cards example of replacement and no replacement.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 25, 11:19 AM 2020The odds can't tell you of the current conditions. Only the results after they occur.
The 'current' conditions are always only the results after they occur, and those current conditions don't affect future conditions.
Kimo Li and carvigno/carpanta
Thanks to you both for sharing. I appreciate it and study as my situation allows.
As Kimo Li knows I have both of his books, and since I play on a single 0 wheel I am more familiar with that book.
I have discovered a few things
1) The double 00 wheel has what I will call a "mirror" around different parts of the wheel. Enough said.
2) In six NON-ZERO spins I notice a similar pattern between groups of 12 numbers and
3) In six NON-ZERO spins I notice a similar pattern between groups of 9 numbers
In my opinion, using Kimo Li books are the best way to learn the wheel layout.
Best Regards,
Quote from: Joe on Feb 25, 02:10 PM 2020
The 'current' conditions are always only the results after they occur, and those current conditions don't affect future conditions.
Brilliant deduction. So with nothing to go on or prevent a coincidence you can speculate on the next ten spins being still in the win streak column. There is no math that makes all win streaks end just as you see or notice them. There is a way to speculate on a win streak and that is by winning the first try. You bet 10 units on a first try event. If it wins you take your original 10 off and 5 more to help out against the next first try. You then take the remaining 5 units and bet them as 5 single bets that are meant to ride one time, two times, three times four times, and last a fifth time. I'm sure you can figure out what will happen as you keep taking winners down. The steps pay 2 on the first try, 4 on the second try, 8 on the third try, 16 on the fourth try and 32 on the fifth and last ride bet. That's a total of 62 if you make it to the last winner. It's just 6 won guesses in a row, even if you jump around with your bets. And all that trying is done with half of your winnings on the first bet. All this is possible if you just check to see if you are in a condition where you win a lot more first try bets than you lose.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 04:14 AM 2020
Nah, thats no different to random bets.
What is random bets? Why does a system have to be better than random bets? What if your random generated bets can be made profitable using, as this thread explores, the flow of the random spins generated? I argue that any good system must have at its core the ability to read random and understand its flow. All systems based on repeaters, uniques, unhits, imbalance etc are all trying to read the flow of random which generates these phenomina of streaks of patterns. So to exploit the random nature of the roulette wheel can have an advantage if you know how to read random.
That debunks the myth that a system must be better than random to be profitable.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky you didn't debunk anything. Random means your average win rate for single number bets is 1 in 37. The payout is below that. Learn the basics.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 27, 03:06 PM 2020
Ricky you didn't debunk anything. Random means your average win rate for single number bets is 1 in 37. The payout is below that. Learn the basics.
I've tried to show that average win rate and profit from it rate are different if you make it different. Say you only have the skill to see huge down streaks and huge up streaks. You bet $100 on win streaks and $5 on anything else that is not a win streak per spin. I'll try to illustrate this point with a graph:
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 27, 06:11 PM 2020average win rate and profit from it rate are different if you make it different
If you make it different, then it's advantage play. That's what advantage play means - to make it different - to have an advantage.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 27, 06:11 PM 2020Say you only have the skill to see huge down streaks and huge up streaks. You bet $100 on win streaks and $5 on anything else that is not a win streak per spin.
They aren't streaks as such. They are just the past results. the word "streak" implies it was a pattern, rather than random behavior.
If it's random, then those past spins you perceived as streaks wont help, at all. Why? Because its random, meaning there was no pattern.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 27, 07:43 PM 2020
If you make it different, then it's advantage play. That's what advantage play means - to make it different - to have an advantage.
They aren't streaks as such. They are just the past results. the word "streak" implies it was a pattern, rather than random behavior.
If it's random, then those past spins you perceived as streaks wont help, at all. Why? Because its random, meaning there was no pattern.
Funny Steve. The pit boss has no problem whatsoever seeing me in a win streak. As far as it being an advantage, that's semantics I suppose. It's a concept as old as the hills. All I did was attach it to trends and patterns. The explanation is a matter of teaching a skill and giving people a way to practice it. How trends are attached to win streaks is a matter of skilled observation. If you lack that skill and imagination then it might as well be Unicorns of Mars. I hinted at it for 14 years and then showed it all in plain view last July. I don't care if people are skeptical. It's the truth and it has always been the truth. It's just a matter of time. Just about everyone can't see the connection before it is showed to them. There is this T-Shirt that my sister got me that says "I can tell you but I can't understand it for you." I don't really care who can't understand this. It's in plain view, well demonstrated and exampled, and it's free. All I can do is listen to people and let them figure it out or not.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 27, 09:39 PM 2020Funny Steve. The pit boss has no problem whatsoever seeing me in a win streak
A gambler sees 3 reds in a row, and thinks it's a red streak, so he bets red and wins. He thinks he exploited a streak. In reality it was just plain random probability. It's really old fallacy.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 27, 09:39 PM 2020As far as it being an advantage, that's semantics I suppose
No, it's black and white. You either have an advantage, or you don't.
In the end, if you're winning - keep doing it.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 27, 10:12 PM 2020A gambler sees 3 reds in a row, and thinks it's a red streak, so he bets red and wins. He thinks he exploited a streak. In reality it was just plain random probability. It's really old fallacy.
Congratulations. You know exactly what it is. A lot of gamblers get all hung up on luck. Now figure this if you can. Sometimes these fallacies synchronize with win streaks. When they do it's just a coincidence. Nothing more. Now I expect you to know this, that it's not magic or some claim of prediction, you know, a fallacy to think it is meaningful. It's not. It's just a trend connected to a momentary time that it is also winning. The good thing for me is that I know it's just a temporary coincidence. So I'm not all hung up on this trend stuff doing anything more than having good timing. I'm a savvy enough player to attack the little spots and dropping back to minimum bets why I wait for more. Most gamblers are all hung up on winning big streaks and wanting more. There is a reason that I do this instead of just using a blind random guess. It would be interesting if you could figure out what that is.
It's not complicated. When it's random, neither the universe or the wheel give a crap what patterns, trends or streaks you think you see, or bet on. The result will always be the same accuracy as random betting. That means your strategy changed absolutely nothing.
Also dropping back to minimum bets won't help to profit, at all. Each spin is independent. All you'll have is different bets of different sizes.
Gizmo, never mind all the verbiage, if you think you have something, show us the mathematics. Either a mathematical proof that you have an advantage or at least some stats which show you have an edge.
Bottom line : what is your flat bet edge, and why do you have it?
If you can't answer either of those questions, then frankly, you're deluded.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 28, 01:55 AM 2020
Also dropping back to minimum bets won't help to profit, at all. Each spin is independent. All you'll have is different bets of different sizes.
The patterns are not imagination, but can be objectively verified and based on their characteristics can be labeled and identified.
Sometimes random produces them for an unknown span.
It is just a recognizable characteristic, perhaps the timing and the duration also can be put in those patterns.
In a sense sometimes they can be used and seen as a means to speculate.
Based on maths of random in the long run those type of guesses work 18/37 of the time.
Gizmo somehow believes that based on a past favourable winning phase he can continue and keep winning, while he speculates that past losing would lead to future losing, so he can outsmart it by not playing.
This is of course delusional thinking.
In reality the accuracy of his "favourable timing conditions" to play or not to play would work only 18/37 time.
He assumes that somehow by seeing the past chart results of trend phases somehow change the equation, when in fact it is not.
He buys into the fallacy that this is somehow a skill, when in reality it is just positive and negative variance.
One way to use this method is by using precognition to evaluate the timing phases and stay on the positive side of variance, but it will neither work long term, yet I feel that millions can be made this way.
When someone loses playing this mechanically he blames them playing it wrong, which is of course just delusional thinking.
He also believes that somehow casinos win more then the house edge, when I presented the facts of the mpr results he couldn't accept those.
What is more telling that he admits that he was unsuccessfull with that pattern synchronizing game for 15 years, yet he somehow justify it buy blaming self control issues.
I think he will continue to perpetuate this on the forums, believing that those math fools just do not get it, but he can inflate his delusion to repating his theories to clueless members.
Hi Kimo, I hope to communicate well with the translator since I am Spanish, I am a very experienced roulette player and I appreciate what you expose, where could I see your books? I guess they would be in English, I would have to translate them, I have two great strategies that I can't use due to lack of money, family debts have left me without money to continue living on roulette. I wanted to ask you what tab value is necessary to generate the income that you said in previous comments ... My strategies are patience and confidence that give them the winning knowledge. You are right, for compulsive players you better get away from roulette.
I would like to be able to work with you kimo li, I can contribute my safe and winning strategies, although to make them profitable as God commands they should be of a chip value that unfortunately I can not use today. I think you are someone honest and honest and I would like to talk with you. And to everyone else I say, THE CASINOS ARE MAFIAS AND OUR TRUE ENEMY, HERE WE MUST BE PARTNERS AND WORK AND HELP US TO DEFEAT THEM
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Sure but just in case bring a knife to meet your partners here. A knife in a fight helps calm down the mood HAHAHAHAH
You, math geeks, what are you doing in a roulette forum?. Looking for a system that cannot override Casino edge? That's your stance so i dont grasp the point.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 28, 12:01 AM 2020
It's not complicated. When it's random, neither the universe or the wheel give a crap what patterns, trends or streaks you think you see, or bet on. The result will always be the same accuracy as random betting. That means your strategy changed absolutely nothing.
Thanks for yelling. Does that make your point more valid?
Once again congratulations. My results will be the same as if I made random bet selections. It will continue as a winning stretch or it won't. Perhaps I should yell. It's not that important to me if you open your eyes or not.
It's a coincidence if the bet selection, that is based on a trend, is currently in a win phase. This is no different than if I selected poop from my hat as a bet selection. It won't change a thing or cause the win streak to continue.Here is what is true and to the point of this thread. For a coincidental win streak to continue it must first be a win streak already occurring. If I base my search for win streaks that are already occurring on the observation of 6 unique groups that are made up from 12 unique sets then that alone gives me 6 chances to see a working coincidence as opposed to observing then results of just one randomly selected bet selection method.
Here is evidence of conditions that most people believe are irrelevant. I named it the "Global Effect." I'm sort of glad that people think that both it and the "Elegant Pattern" are hogwash. As long as the world is flat to them the more I like it. It amuses me to watch how defensive people get when they know that they are right and yet can't see this because they haven't tried to understand it. There are many things in this world that are undiscovered by most people and that have always been the truth.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 28, 01:55 AM 2020
Also dropping back to minimum bets won't help to profit, at all. Each spin is independent. All you'll have is different bets of different sizes.
In a happy world maybe. You are saying that a person can't speculate on an uptick trend information, like stock traders that search for moving averages do. But I can speculate on unknown factors that go into repeat typed changes. I don't care a wit if the trends are meaningless guesses. All I care is that they pay off at times. I don't make bet selection based on the hope that something is due. I make bets on situations that continue momentarily. I synchronize with the moving averages based on actual existing evidence. I have no problem stopping on 12 wins and 9 losses on the big bets. I don't care who thinks that they are right. They being right does not prevent me from gambling the way that I do. I do want to know one thing though. Why are you so opposed to this?
Quote from: Joe on Feb 28, 04:12 AM 2020
Gizmo, never mind all the verbiage, if you think you have something, show us the mathematics. Either a mathematical proof that you have an advantage or at least some stats which show you have an edge.
Bottom line : what is your flat bet edge, and why do you have it?
If you can't answer either of those questions, then frankly, you're deluded.
I decided a long time ago that I would not waste my brain power on mathematics because I would only end up being an also ran with no contribution made to other's benefit. Einstein's General Relativity was considered delusion until Astronomers from the Lick Observatory photographed and proved it was always the truth by capturing evidence during a total solar eclipse.
My answer to you is that Reading Randomness is the evidence. Now you go get the math if it so important to you. I have always said that this is the way it was going to become the way. The capacity comes first and then the math that will be like eating crow. You probability people are going to take a hit. Everything is going to change.
This is my signature at the thread where it is explained: "My edge is a large enough number of people doing this and producing win to loss results that are demonstrably beyond the possibility of inaccuracy."
Once that happens the math world will go into convulsions. You are more than likely not smart or educated enough to unpack this. So you will be forced to agree even if now you are so sure that you are right.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Feb 28, 06:04 AM 2020
The patterns are not imagination, but can be objectively verified and based on their characteristics can be labeled and identified.
Sometimes random produces them for an unknown span.
It is just a recognizable characteristic, perhaps the timing and the duration also can be put in those patterns.
In a sense sometimes they can be used and seen as a means to speculate.
Based on maths of random in the long run those type of guesses work 18/37 of the time.
Gizmo somehow believes that based on a past favourable winning phase he can continue and keep winning, while he speculates that past losing would lead to future losing, so he can outsmart it by not playing.
This is of course delusional thinking.
In reality the accuracy of his "favourable timing conditions" to play or not to play would work only 18/37 time.
He assumes that somehow by seeing the past chart results of trend phases somehow change the equation, when in fact it is not.
He buys into the fallacy that this is somehow a skill, when in reality it is just positive and negative variance.
One way to use this method is by using precognition to evaluate the timing phases and stay on the positive side of variance, but it will neither work long term, yet I feel that millions can be made this way.
When someone loses playing this mechanically he blames them playing it wrong, which is of course just delusional thinking.
He also believes that somehow casinos win more then the house edge, when I presented the facts of the mpr results he couldn't accept those.
What is more telling that he admits that he was unsuccessfull with that pattern synchronizing game for 15 years, yet he somehow justify it buy blaming self control issues.
I think he will continue to perpetuate this on the forums, believing that those math fools just do not get it, but he can inflate his delusion to repating his theories to clueless members.
Well isn't that refreshing. You exposed your fault in all this to a "T." And Thank you.
You missed the secret. That secret is that each loss during a win streak is a signal that the trend has ended unless it is from singles on the weak side. If a loss is a stop trigger then only one loss may be counted against your win/loss ratio of results. So you drop back to the next try on a first big bet. But if it is a win then you keep on taking from the pattern as suggested by the size of win repeats in the occurring win streak. There are always more wins than losses with this technique. And you have published evidence that you blaze away during losing streaks and this is somehow an excuse that I use to explain your losses. So, it's convenient for me to explain it this way.
I'm suspicious that you have all along set out to fail. You started out good and then went to what appears to be deliberate losing. Now you have compiled all the reasons why I'm wrong. And you once again are flogging your own baloney pipe dream. If what you say is true then it's about 100 million years of evolution too soon. Tough luck for you - that.
BTW, you are the only failure in all this. That's a first. How come you didn't see this coming?
You are a failure at reading randomness and you think that you know why. I'm glad for you. You have all your excuses why you failed, blaming me. PKB.
I neither blame you, nor bully you.
In fact, I am glad you shared your method.
I did not fail at it in any manner. I succeeded in finding out the holes in the methodology presented.
I think this where you project. It is not my pipe dream, but yours.
The question you should ask yourself; what if I am wrong after all?
Could you live with it?
Quote from: Kairomancer on Feb 28, 03:31 PM 2020
I neither blame you, nor bully you.
In fact, I am glad you shared your method.
I did not fail at it in any manner. I succeeded in finding out the holes in the methodology presented.
I think this where you project. It is not my pipe dream, but yours.
The question you should ask yourself; what if I am wrong after all?
Could you live with it?
You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I know I am not wrong because before I shared this I walked people through it and helped them where they were having trouble. I didn't do that in the thread. Some people are doing great with it. You are the only one that didn't. I'm not going to guess why anymore. You have an invested interest in precognition.
Mainly I am interested in the truth, anecdotes are cool as a starting basis.
100 or 200 sessions are considered short term, especially if you consider the real amounts wagered, because of the unfunded play.
David at GF is winning with a simple random marti playing over 50k spins with an enormous advantage
Does his method work in the long run?
Not according to the computer similations of Jerome.
Even at this forum losing systems were posted that survived 100 or 200k spins.
You only play with your new sets of rules for less than a year. You started that topic in July and kept adding new rules into the methodology.
Frankly I think only a few people read through your topic, and even less invested the time and effort into testing it.
You claim that I am the only one who fail at this, yet Denzie and few others get to the same conclusion who actually tried your method.
The only player still winning is Jono. I looked at his play sessions. There was nothing special, he even used progressions in some of the sessions I scanned through. I think he just got lucky so far, he only places a few real bets per session, so his results are short term. Best of luck to him.
My interest in precognition is a completely different beast and a new future perspective mixing the EC patterns with intuition.
Having said that I went into evaluating into your method with an open mind and mechanical play approach
Yes, at a few sessions (not most) I kept feeding the losing streaks to see for myself what can happen. I made tests without doing it with still no avail.
Guess what my results are also short term.
Yet you made extraordinary advantage play claims with a 2 to 1 win ratios that of course does not seem to hold. Large drawdowns are also expected. Your bankroll recommendations of total 21 units are also irresponsible.
You can have the last word. I do not invest more energy debating this topic with you. I am ok with you having your opinion.
Best of good luck.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 06:44 AM 2020
It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent'. If spins are independent it means that tracking data has no merit because knowledge of past spins doesn't give you information about future spins. You can call it frequencies or tendencies or rhythm or whatever, but all those concepts imply using past spins to predict future spins.
600 years ago the natives of America would have been greatly surprised to have known that there were other lands and civilizations beyond the seas. This ignorance, lack of knowledge, did not affect nor alter the development of the european civilization.
If you are ignorant of a reality doesnt mean that it does not exist. The same is the other way round, that other reality is not affected by your ignorance.
Your problem is that you face the game of roulette from a mathematical point of view and that's not the way to find a solution to solve the puzzle of the game.
Random generators (wheel, rng, whatever) produce chaotic results. Chaos does not mean disorder all the time, and therein lies the key. Randomness has memory. That's why there are about the same amount of reds and blacks in 100.000 spins. In the end, everything turns to balance.
Chaos has its rhythms and its laws. One of those laws that govern it is SYMMETRY. Chaos cannot avoid producing symmetric events since it is in its own DNA. These rhythms that produce symmetries can be analyzed, since they are data, and converted into statistical information. It's like music as in another post I commented. In this way we observe what kind of rhythm we have at the present moment and realize when a change of rhythm occurs (different types of music would be the anology). Rhythms can have long enough durations to take advantage of them.
For example and finally. Simple chances only have four behavioral states:
1 Intermittences
2 Reflections or mirrors (symmetric or asymmetric)
3 Break-trough (change of rhythm)
4 Isolated figures ( 3, 4, 5, etc components).
Food for the brain. Have a nice day.
Carpanta
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 29, 03:40 AM 2020Randomness has memory. That's why there are about the same amount of reds and blacks in 100.000 spins. In the end, everything turns to balance.
Randomness doesn't have memory, that's nonsense. And there is no balance, at least not in terms of the
numbers of reds vs blacks. The
ratio of reds to blacks approaches a definite number after many spins but this isn't the same as the absolute numbers of red compared to black. In fact the disparity between red/black increases as you get more outcomes.
What you're talking about is the law of large numbers, which has nothing to do with memory. The distribution of outcomes over many trials comes from the basic physical setup of the system. Roulette is designed so that each number has the same chance in the long run which is why there is 'balance' eventually. If the wheel had a memory then some patterns would invariable follow other patterns, but the essence of randomness is for that
not to happen.
Quote600 years ago the natives of America would have been greatly surprised to have known that there were other lands and civilizations beyond the seas. This ignorance, lack of knowledge, did not affect nor alter the development of the european civilization.
I've lost count of the number of times I've seen this 'argument'. So because some people said some things couldn't be done and were proved wrong does it mean that this thing which people say can't be done actually can be done? Of course not, it's a pathetic argument. Show us some actual relevant data which supports your particular hypothesis, don't just spout meaningless cliches. :yawn:
Gizmo has been giving us this drivel for years. He clearly has 'issues' and can't even tell us basic stats concerning his results. If he doesn't even know that himself he can't know that what he does is any better than random chance. His posts can be entertaining at times but as regards helping anyone to win at roulette, it's well past the time to put him on ignore.
Quote from: carvigno on Feb 29, 03:40 AM 2020Your problem is that you face the game of roulette from a mathematical point of view and that's not the way to find a solution to solve the puzzle of the game.
QuoteThese rhythms that produce symmetries can be analyzed, since they are data, and converted into statistical information.
Those two statements are inconsistent. So using statistical information isn't facing roulette from mathematical point of view?
If you're going to criticize mathematics, at least understand what it is.
QuoteMathematicians seek and use patterns[8][9] to formulate new conjectures; they resolve the truth or falsity of conjectures by mathematical proof. When mathematical structures are good models of real phenomena, mathematical reasoning can be used to provide insight or predictions about nature. Through the use of abstraction and logic, mathematics developed from counting, calculation, measurement, and the systematic study of the shapes and motions of physical objects. Practical mathematics has been a human activity from as far back as written records exist. The research required to solve mathematical problems can take years or even centuries of sustained inquiry.
You are a laughable character Joe. You dont have a clue but you give your opinion as an expert. In my country it is said: La miel no se hizo para la boca del asno. Translated into plain english should say : honey was not made for the jackass' mouth.
Im done in this thread. A waste of time and energy. For what? Now it's me i dont have a clue.
Have a nice weekend.
Carpanta
Carpanta, is that it?
Come back when you have some actual data to back up your absurd claims.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 29, 04:11 AM 2020Gizmo has been giving us this drivel for years. He clearly has 'issues' and can't even tell us basic stats concerning his results. If he doesn't even know that himself he can't know that what he does is any better than random chance. His posts can be entertaining at times but as regards helping anyone to win at roulette, it's well past the time to put him on ignore.
I told the existence of the global effect and the elegant pattern from the very get go. It's now coming up on 15 years since I first suggested it at Gambler's Glen. And in all that time none of the experts of gambling have bothered to prove it does not happen. They seem to self advise that it is not necessary because it can't exist. Even when I show it to them they can't or won't see it. It is the greatest opportunity in gambling. It is far more rare than minimal patterns and synchronous patterns. Yet it happens if and only if you are prepared to exploit it when it does happen.
If the stock market is made up primarily as evidenced by the chickens running scared that we see now because of a killer virus then why should that aspect of human nature not also effect the thinking of gamblers without good judgment as well? People don't want to work hard for something, even if it is worth it. Any savvy stock trader knows that this is a buying opportunity. Passing on Reading Randomness is the same thing. It's an opportunity that people should check to see if it is true or not for themselves. The chickens that run scared in this should not stop you. Especially since it is free. There is free to use practice software to back it up. It can be learned at no risk to you or cost. It's taken 12 years to simplify it and to explain it clearly. The funny thing is that it is not simple enough for some people. It causes them to defy it. It is like the stupidity of liberals wanting free stuff and thinking that there is an endless supply of other people's money. If they can't get that then you are a racist phobic deplorable worthy of disparaging pejoratives. I did this to embarrass the hell out of experts and skeptics that assure you that they are right and I am wrong. That is the only motivation for all this crap. It's pseudo harbingers of mathematics that grandstand even in the face of conflicting results. They are not convinced yet because they haven't been clearly shown to be wrong yet. But that is their fate. A large enough gathering of common practitioners of reading randomness will show them all up to have been victims of group-think debility. The only thing missing from this is for it to go viral. It will. It's the same as counting cards. It scared the casinos at first. But now they let the neophytes trying it to go ahead. Like that they will let the failures try reading Randomness too. They will just kick out those that are good at it. When this thing blows up it will be too late. This is like buying Microsoft stock at $8 before it went global. And the best part is these experts of math and probability will have missed it completely. And even worse they will have gone on record as having tried it and declared it worthless.
I and others have demonstrated a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. That's in a negative expectation game. Even if the best some people can do is 1.2 to 1 that alone blows the current beliefs completely out of the water.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 29, 07:23 AM 2020I and others have demonstrated a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio.
No you haven't. Or if you have, it's over just a few spins. Stock trading is nothing like roulette because it's not entirely random. 'Reading randomness' is an oxymoron.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 29, 11:05 AM 2020
No you haven't. Or if you have, it's over just a few spins. Stock trading is nothing like roulette because it's not entirely random. 'Reading randomness' is an oxymoron.
It's more like an expert with an opinion (moron) riding on an ox. Student 1 did a full month of one on one instruction and then did 60 hours of practice in front of me after that and producing those numbers. Each session was from 40 to 120 spins. He did two sessions per lesson. That's 60 sessions that were confined to 3 net wins or 7 net losses. He went from being less than breaking even to more than doubling the expected mathematical amount. That was with personal lessons. Then someone from here duplicated those results without personal one on one instructions. That person is still breaking all the math that is expected. This is not a progression that wipes out all your progress. It is flat betting or not funding a bet selection. It doesn't need a million sessions to confirm that it works. But you might need it to take millions of sessions before you will see it.
Stock trading has moving averages, real after the fact data. Reading Randomness is seeing the real data after the fact also. And it has moving averages too. Best of all you are oblivious to it. Thanks for contributing the the national brain trust.
In the stock market, people trade based on price history. So the past affects the future.
With rng, the past is meaningless.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 29, 11:25 AM 2020Student 1 did a full month of one on one instruction and then did 60 hours of practice in front of me after that and producing those numbers. Each session was from 40 to 120 spins. He did two sessions per lesson. That's 60 sessions that were confined to 3 net wins or 7 net losses.
Your arithmetic doesn't add up. You claim 2:1 wins to losses for an even chance. So if a winning session consists of 3 net wins, in order to maintain that 2:1 ratio the session lengths must be very short indeed, lol. ie if you make 5 bets and have 3 net wins it's still not as good as 2:1 (it's only 1.5:1). And this means that 60 sessions isn't many spins at all, probably less than 300.
QuoteStock trading has moving averages, real after the fact data. Reading Randomness is seeing the real data after the fact also. And it has moving averages too.
So what? You can get moving averages for any data you like, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. You can make money in stocks by following the trend because people are like sheep, and stocks prices are based on human emotions like fear and greed. Roulette is just a ball and a wheel. Isn't that f*ckin' obvious? ::)
Quote from: Joe on Feb 29, 03:58 PM 2020Your arithmetic doesn't add up. You claim 2:1 wins to losses for an even chance. So if a winning session consists of 3 net wins, in order to maintain that 2:1 ratio the session lengths must be very short indeed, lol. ie if you make 5 bets and have 3 net wins it's still not as good as 2:1 (it's only 1.5:1). And this means that 60 sessions isn't many spins at all, probably less than 300.
If you ever bothered to read the thread you would know exactly how and why that 2 to 1 win to loss ratio math works out. But you don't Mr Wizard. So you are so dang smart that you just look smart. Arguing with you is like arguing with a child.
Past rng spins dont affect the future, at all. You're stuck with 1in 37. So besides luck or precog, how is it possible to win with higher accuracy based on past spins?
By definition and logic, its not.
It's impossible.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 29, 04:17 PM 2020
If you ever bothered to read the thread you would know exactly how and why that 2 to 1 win to loss ratio math works out. But you don't Mr Wizard. So you are so dang smart that you just look smart. Arguing with you is like arguing with a child.
Incapable of comprehending basic probability, insults those that do...
My god man, do you understand how much you're embarrassing yourself?
And then you try to relate roulette to the "stock market".
Prices are based on fundamental data, which overall public sentiment generally reflects, when financial data changes, so will the price. Financial data isn't random.
There will likely be many opportunities to profit by buying into the electronic markets soon, thanks to the corona virus, and all of those prices will be below their short term moving averages, you'll be buying against the short term negative trend, the opposite to what you're proposing wrt your system or method or whatever you call it.
Roulette spins will continue to be random, with a negative betting expectancy, regardless of what patterns or trends you witness or think might happen, that's all hindsight, but your narcissistic tendencies won't let you see that, and you'll likely use more sarcasm as your defense.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 29, 04:38 PM 2020
Past rng spins dont affect the future, at all. You're stuck with 1in 37. So besides luck or precog, how is it possible to win with higher accuracy based on past spins?
By definition and logic, its not.
It's impossible.
Steve, have you ever tried to beat roulette with random number generator? It would be random VS random. Not just a random bet selection but random money managament too. Example, 10 spins play with one system, after that, by random number generator, choose another system. You need a list with 20 different systems.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 29, 03:41 PM 2020
In the stock market, people trade based on price history. So the past affects the future.
With rng, the past is meaningless.
People do that because they believe that in stock market past affects future. In stocks past is meaningless as in roulette and other casino games.
People want to believe that exists strategy with which from past datas they can predict future. What a bullshit )
Quote from: charly on Feb 29, 06:10 PM 2020Steve, have you ever tried to beat roulette with random number generator
No because it would be a stupid thing to try. 0 + 0 = 0.
Quote from: charly on Feb 29, 06:10 PM 2020It would be random VS random.
It wouldn't be a "verses" situation at all.
Quote from: charly on Feb 29, 06:10 PM 2020Not just a random bet selection but random money managament too
Should you use space radiation to predict rng? What's the theory that makes it a good idea? Where's the data to back it up?
Quote from: charly on Feb 29, 06:23 PM 2020People do that because they believe that in stock market past affects future
Past does affect future. Do you think price movement is uselessly random?
Quote from: charly on Feb 29, 06:23 PM 2020In stocks past is meaningless as in roulette and other casino games.
No, its not.
Quote from: charly on Feb 29, 06:23 PM 2020People want to believe that exists strategy with which from past datas they can predict future
It can only be done if theres a preductable correlation between any variables and winning numbers. With rng, theres none.
Quote from: Tacwell on Feb 29, 05:03 PM 2020
Incapable of comprehending basic probability, insults those that do...
Well we must remember to protect those safe zones for probability snowflakes mustn't we?
Quote from: Tacwell on Feb 29, 05:03 PM 2020
My god man, do you understand how much you're embarrassing yourself?
I've been doing it selflessly for decades. I've been programming simulations for others with their hair brained mechanical systems out of general largess and for the benefit of spreading the knowledge of probability and gambling discussion for the most part. It's fun to stand in another persons shoes for a short while. I even got caught up in the depletion of uranium discussions by TurboGenius. And from all of those sims I provided telemetry so that the recipients could see where their ideas break down. I have never seen a mechanical system beat Roulette.
Quote from: Tacwell on Feb 29, 05:03 PM 2020
And then you try to relate roulette to the "stock market".
Oh, now we have the stock market police. Thanks for that. I guess you are such an expert on speculation, guessing, that you need to marginalize me for using a video as a way to make a point. I clearly state that the author of the video can't even see the same lie that you make about what the real truth is. That lie is that the house wins because of the "house's edge." I then go on to prove that this lie is not the real truth. I wonder if you can even figure out what I'm saying? There is irrefutable proof. Did you get the memo yet?
Quote from: Tacwell on Feb 29, 05:03 PM 2020Roulette spins will continue to be random, with a negative betting expectancy, regardless of what patterns or trends you witness or think might happen, that's all hindsight, but your narcissistic tendencies won't let you see that, and you'll likely use more sarcasm as your defense.
Perhaps this is evidence of projecting one's own personality traits? Is it me or is it you?
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OMkrosLHIEs
Quote from: Steve on Feb 29, 04:38 PM 2020
Past rng spins dont affect the future, at all. You're stuck with 1in 37. So besides luck or precog, how is it possible to win with higher accuracy based on past spins?
By definition and logic, its not.
It's impossible.
That's interesting enough. Let's talk about luck. You can't know exactly the moment that it starts. There is no way to know how long it will last long before it does tend to last a while. And nobody knows when it will end. But it is also clear that you can win while you are in a lucky streak. I hope that what I just said is logical up to this point? It's hard to discuss things when some people got side tracked and off the main track. So I'm stipulating that this is true up to this point.
These conditions of luck are without a mathematical cause and effect capacity. I believe that to be true. They can be explained by reason of an explanation of variance or standard deviation. But when they occur they can't be explained as to how. To me they just happen.
So if I understand what you are saying it is impossible to beat the game of Roulette based on past spins unless luck is included in the factoring of a win. Is that correct?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 01, 10:14 AM 2020
I have never seen a mechanical system beat Roulette.
I am not surprised. The HG happens to be a mechanical system, simple, user friendly, and highly effective.
Your concept of "Global Effect and Elegant patterns" sounds like it's something special. And yet, it's appears complicated to learn. Perhaps if you try to make it a more of a mechanical process, players can readily understand.
"Writers use common words to express complex thoughts, not the opposite," Mark Twain.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 11:49 AM 2020
I am not surprised. The HG happens to be a mechanical system, simple, user friendly, and highly effective.
Your concept of "Global Effect and Elegant patterns" sounds like it's something special. And yet, it's appears complicated to learn. Perhaps if you try to make it a more of a mechanical process, players can readily understand.
"Writers use common words to express complex thoughts, not the opposite," Mark Twain.
Here is another one: "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." Mark Twain
I can simplify this easily. Let's use one characteristic only. Let's use the singles on the weak side for any even chance bet. I will assume that people know what this looks like in a chart. I will provide an example from the original thread if one is needed.
Now to make it the global effect it must happen almost continuously across all the 6 tracked EC's in the chart. It will likely not occur simultaneously but where one group and set is in singles for a while it might abruptly end. Then the characteristic will start up in another group, or more than likely already be happening. Now it jumps around from group to group or changes sides in the same group. But this clear domination of a singles on the weak side keeps occurring, sometimes for hours.
To ignore this effect, this global characteristic, is a sin for people that want so desperately to find a way to win. This situation is a bag of gold laid into your lap if you are skilled enough to take it. For the record this skill and this opportunity have gone absent from all the discussion forums for decades. To put this into context, this is a set of past spins that equate to a monster sized win streak.
I once observed a set of 24 numbers dominate four tables at the same time at a Caesar's Palace for four and one half hours. I was in one of my first experiences of Reading Randomness and lost my paycheck to gambler's fallacy. I bet against it to end. But I was amazed at it happening. I had no experience searching for large occurring coincidences.
The Elegant Pattern is different . It tends to only last from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. It's a perfect reoccurring pattern. The first time I saw it was the same 12 numbers hitting and missing in a perfect repeating pattern. It would hit twice then miss once. It kept going for more than 30 minutes. I murdered the casino with it a drew a huge crowd.
Now I hope that these simple explanations clear up people's possible communication difficulties. It's not mechanical to identify a pattern that you don't have memorized yet is easy to identify. I'm entitled to be amused by people that ignore it and consequently never see this. For me it's like seeing the swimming instructor on the Titanic feeling sad because he has very few opportunities to teach. I fall back on this one: "I can Explain It to You But I Can't Understand It for You."
Rhythm and sincronicity are the key words while tracking a string of numbers showing before your eyes in the tote board. Tracking all 3 EC and all 3 columns at the same time. When proper conditions arise you bet on 6 numbers (not always the same obviously) with high probability to make a hit. Those who are not too lazy to put some work perhaps can descifer this riddle to make nice profits.
Have a nice Sunday.
Carpanta
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 01, 01:34 PM 2020
Rhythm and sincronicity are the key words while tracking a string of numbers showing before your eyes in the tote board. Tracking all 3 EC and all 3 columns at the same time. When proper conditions arise you bet on 6 numbers (not always the same obviously) with high probability to make a hit. Those who are not too lazy to put some work perhaps can descifer this riddle to make nice profits.
Have a nice Sunday.
Carpanta
It's not a riddle to me. I built my free to use practice software with some combo bet capabilities built into it. If you see reds dominate and odds dominating at the same time then you just bet on those nine numbers.
Here's one that a lot of people don't consider. If you see reds dominate then you can bet on 14 of the 18 red numbers and 10 of the black numbers also with a 2 column bet. The reverse is true for black domination too.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 01, 01:46 PM 2020
It's not a riddle to me. I built my free to use practice software with some combo bet capabilities built into it. If you see reds dominate and odds dominating at the same time then you just bet on those nine numbers.
Here's one that a lot of people don't consider. If you see reds dominate then you can bet on 14 of the 18 red numbers and 10 of the black numbers also with a 2 column bet. The reverse is true for black domination too.
Let's say you do bet the nine numbers (red odd numbers). Murphy will show up and red even numbers will show up or black odd numbers. What then? Do you continue to look for these patterns and bet? Or do you have a "recovery" betting option? Are there clear rules of engagement?
It's one thing to detect patterns. What good is it if it does not come in? How do you deal with that scenario? Sounds like gambling to me.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 02:01 PM 2020
Let's say you do bet the nine numbers (red odd numbers). Murphy will show up and red even numbers will show up or black odd numbers. What then? Do you continue to look for these patterns and bet? Or do you have a "recovery" betting option? Are there clear rules of engagement?
It's one thing to detect patterns. What good is it if it does not come in? How do you deal with that scenario? Sounds like gambling to me.
I don't bet this way. It's bad odds for getting a win. I'm just saying that I see times when it goes into a monster sized domination. I don't wait for monster sized opportunities but I'm always ready just in case one happens.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 01, 01:46 PM 2020
Here's one that a lot of people don't consider. If you see reds dominate then you can bet on 14 of the 18 red numbers and 10 of the black numbers also with a 2 column bet. The reverse is true for black domination too.
Im talking about playing only 6 numbers not all the wheel excluding 0 and a few more numbers.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 01, 02:11 PM 2020
Im talking about playing only 6 numbers not all the wheel excluding 0 and a few more numbers.
So explain how you select those 6 numbers please, or one number for that matter.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 01, 02:18 PM 2020
So explain how you select those 6 numbers please, or one number for that matter.
I'm talking about people working on it and looking for how this is possible. I never said that I will explain. It took me 15 years to discover this way of playing. Nobody will expect me to explain it in 10 minutes here or anywhere. It wouldn't be too prudent I think. The key is in what I explained above. That is more than anyone has ever told me except one person.
Riddles... Riddles... Riddles...
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 01, 12:41 PM 2020
Here is another one: "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." Mark Twain
I can simplify this easily. Let's use one characteristic only. Let's use the singles on the weak side for any even chance bet. I will assume that people know what this looks like in a chart. I will provide an example from the original thread if one is needed.
Now to make it the global effect it must happen almost continuously across all the 6 tracked EC's in the chart. It will likely not occur simultaneously but where one group and set is in singles for a while it might abruptly end. Then the characteristic will start up in another group, or more than likely already be happening. Now it jumps around from group to group or changes sides in the same group. But this clear domination of a singles on the weak side keeps occurring, sometimes for hours.
To ignore this effect, this global characteristic, is a sin for people that want so desperately to find a way to win. This situation is a bag of gold laid into your lap if you are skilled enough to take it. For the record this skill and this opportunity have gone absent from all the discussion forums for decades. To put this into context, this is a set of past spins that equate to a monster sized win streak.
I once observed a set of 24 numbers dominate four tables at the same time at a Caesar's Palace for four and one half hours. I was in one of my first experiences of Reading Randomness and lost my paycheck to gambler's fallacy. I bet against it to end. But I was amazed at it happening. I had no experience searching for large occurring coincidences.
The Elegant Pattern is different . It tends to only last from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. It's a perfect reoccurring pattern. The first time I saw it was the same 12 numbers hitting and missing in a perfect repeating pattern. It would hit twice then miss once. It kept going for more than 30 minutes. I murdered the casino with it a drew a huge crowd.
Now I hope that these simple explanations clear up people's possible communication difficulties. It's not mechanical to identify a pattern that you don't have memorized yet is easy to identify. I'm entitled to be amused by people that ignore it and consequently never see this. For me it's like seeing the swimming instructor on the Titanic feeling sad because he has very few opportunities to teach. I fall back on this one: "I can Explain It to You But I Can't Understand It for You."
This is similar like saying; "Look there was 19 blacks in a row."
So if you are savvy gambler all you need to do is to play that dominant EC, in this case red, or any other variation based on repeating past events or patterns.
You can create a fancy name to that phenomena for that matter to look more knowledgeable among clueless punters.
It sounds logical and very practical at first,
yet if you examine that a bit deeper and run some trend following simulations, you would see that there is absolutely no advantage here. The odds of winning remains the same.
Sometimes you win big and you will share the glorious memory of that hunt, but that does not change the fact that most of the time the pattern busts just enough time and your losses adds up, so the strategy eventually lose to the house edge.
Don't believe me? Do you wanna bet?
Let's make that simulation happen.
The only way to make this work consistently is to know the working conditions in advance to avoid the losing first guesses.
To do that it requires having an advantage.
The million dollar question: what does it take to have that advantage?
Many of you will stop wasting time and going in circles, if you carefully read and understand the basics at :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 06:46 PM 2020
Many of you will stop wasting time and going in circles, if you carefully read and understand the basics at :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
I have read your article, very informative. Unfortunately, it does not apply to the HG, only to the run of the mill strategies found all over the internet. Statistical Imbalance has it's place when properly identified using data analytics. Effective strategies carried out with precision takes advantage of such a regular occurrence.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 07:07 PM 2020Statistical Imbalance has it's place when properly identified using data analytics
Not when the spins are independent and random.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 08:08 PM 2020
Not when the spins are independent and random.
I understand your mindset. Regardless if spins are independent or random, data analytics make it predictable. How do you think weather predictions are becoming more accurate?
What in RNG is predictable? That there will be an even spread of reds/blacks? The law of a third, and similar nonsense?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 09:55 PM 2020How do you think weather predictions are becoming more accurate?
The weather is NOTHING like RNG.
Can you give me just ONE principle everyone can test, which can validate any of your theories? No riddles. Just something clear and simple.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 10:28 PM 2020
What in RNG is predictable? That there will be an even spread of reds/blacks? The law of a third, and similar nonsense?
The weather is NOTHING like RNG.
Can you give me just ONE principle everyone can test, which can validate any of your theories? No riddles. Just something clear and simple.
The sheer fact that it's unpredictable makes it predictable. I learned in life, "for every move, there is a counter move."
If you can master that principle, you will be able to understand RNG.
This is what RNG looks like.
You are sounding like John solutude with his raindrop method, which is classic fallacy.
Unpredictable doesnt mean predictable in any sense that matters.
What you said is the same as saying: nothing we can do changes anything, so we have an advantage.
It's senseless. Saying you mastered it doesn't make your statement more viable.
And you didn't give even one simple principle that people can test. I still havent seen anything, not a single thing, that validates your theories. So far everything points the other way.
That's not what RNG looks like, unless you are making pretty patterns from repeating principles that you made up. In that case, you'll get things like fractals. But they cant be used to predict anything in the future except averages, and averages cant be used to predict odds. So the data is retrospective only.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 11:11 PM 2020
That's not what RNG looks like, unless you are making pretty patterns from repeating principles that you made up. In that case, you'll get things like fractals. But they cant be used to predict anything in the future except averages, and averages cant be used to predict odds. So the data is retrospective only.
Sorry, Steve you have no clue. Why would you? You have not been exposed to this type of thinking. This is the closest you will ever come to predicting RNG. It is a code. It has nothing to do with averages.
Steve you are a wealthy man (maybe rich) buy his lesson for 30K,must be peanuts for you, and solve finally the riddle If the HG from Kimo Li can or not predict rng ;D :twisted:
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 11:16 PM 2020Sorry, Steve you have no clue.
And that's what you say, when you're asked to provide ONE tangible piece of evidence to support your theories. It's much easier to just say I've got no idea, right?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 11:16 PM 2020You have not been exposed to this type of thinking.
Not so sure about that. So far everything I've seen of yours is classic fallacy, which I've been through before.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 11:16 PM 2020This is the closest you will ever come to predicting RNG. It is a code
Yes, it is a code. It's an algorithm. But the algorithm is different for every RNG. There's no one-size-fits-all "code". that's one problem. Another problem is you don't know the variables for that code (algorithm).
You talk a lot Kimo. But as I said before, I've seen nothing from you that supports your claims. In fact, everything points the other way. I've been here with many other self-professed gurus, and I know where it leads - circles.
All truth comes out eventually Kimo.
Quote from: Clf7 on Mar 01, 11:21 PM 2020Steve you are a wealthy man (maybe rich) buy his lesson for 30K,must be peanuts for you, and solve finally the riddle If the HG from Kimo Li can or not predict rng
Why would anyone buy anything without a shred of proof, or even a single thing to validate claims? Even worse, why would you buy something when all the proof points towards the claims being false?
I say this, you say that.
"Statistical Imbalance has it's place when properly identified using data analytics. Effective strategies carried out with precision takes advantage of such a regular occurrence."
We agree to disagree.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 02, 03:09 AM 2020I say this, you say that.
I say this, the entire community of educated professionals in gaming and math say the same thing as me, and you say something different.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 02, 03:09 AM 2020Statistical Imbalance has it's place when properly identified using data analytics
No, it doesnt have a place when the outcomes are random. Any temporary imbalance is meaningless.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 02, 03:09 AM 2020Effective strategies carried out with precision takes advantage of such a regular occurrence."
There is no precision. The accuracy is the same as random. That's my point.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 02, 03:09 AM 2020We agree to disagree.
Not exactly. Some of us just understand it.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 01, 11:06 PM 2020
This is what RNG looks like.
LOL! No it doesn't. A visual depiction of RNG doesn't show any patterns like in your graphic, it's just white noise.
link:s://tectrolabs.com/2014/07/04/a-visual-comparison-of-bad-and-good-hardware-random-number-generators/
Why do you write obvious falsehoods? (no need to answer, I know why).
An excerpt from Wendor, a remarkable german roulette play scholar:
This post is really only for "freaks" and those who want to become one .
It is written for those of you who want to deal with matter a little more deeply.
Symmetries - the sometimes hidden order in nature
By Laurenz Widhalm, ÖAW
Everyone learns at school that energy is always preserved. And that is why any attempt to construct a perpetual motion machine will inevitably fail. But why is energy retained? Is there a deeper reason for this, or is it simply a natural law that can only be accepted but not questioned?
Symmetries in time - symmetries in space
The fascinating thing is: there is this deeper reason, and it lies in a symmetry that seems so natural that nobody really wants to question it: the symmetry of the physical laws in time. In other words, a physical law that is found today will still apply tomorrow. If this were not the case, there would be no need to do science anymore; even more: we couldn't rely on anything anymore, maybe our televisions wouldn't work tomorrow, yes, we couldn't even be sure that the sun would rise again tomorrow.
A violation of time symmetry would be equivalent to physical laws that can change from day to day. Since this is obviously not the case, the conservation of energy can be concluded.
Symmetry and energy
You don't have to be a scientist to realize that there are regularities and that our past experiences can be applied to the future. To put it abstractly, this everyday knowledge is simply a symmetry in time. And as you can show mathematically, it follows from this symmetry that there is a physical quantity that does not change over time. And this size is called - energy! So the energy conservation theorem, which otherwise could only be believed, became something that can be traced back to a deeper symmetry.
Physical laws in the universe
However, symmetry in time is not the only symmetry in nature. Another is that the physical laws are the same everywhere in the universe. This symmetry in space results in the preservation of the momentum - important not only for billiard players, but for many everyday processes.
OK. as far as our good DR. Laurenz Widhalm.
But what really interests us: How can you use this knowledge to predict the behavior of a chaos generator (eg roulette wheel) ?! ,
It was only when I continued to study this fascinating principle. I was concerned with physics, I came up with the idea.
Chaotic symmetries
- and that was the real breakthrough !!
Chaotic dynamics is one of the most fascinating fields of activity in natural science today. Processes that previously seemed completely unpredictable, such as turbulence in water currents or the behavior of tropical storms, are being researched and are revolutionizing our understanding of nature. Symmetry, on the other hand, is a traditional area of mathematics and stands for static, classic dimensions in nature. According to previous understanding of science, both areas are located at the other end of the mathematical spectrum. So can there be a connection between chaos and symmetry at all? Field and Golubitsky make this connection . They describe how a chaotic process can lead to symmetrical patterns:If the above-mentioned turbulence in the flow of a body of water was photographed about once per second and all the pictures were placed on top of one another, structure would appear in chaos. The authors explain the mathematics of such processes and provide the formulas that can be used to imitate them on the computer.
In this way, images of symmetrical chaos are created that appear strangely familiar to the viewer due to their symmetry and are overwhelmingly beautiful. No wonder, since they strikingly resemble symmetrical patterns in nature and many decorative designs - from motifs in art to common logos and ceramic tiles.
These chaotic SYMMETRIES are especially important for random generators like roulette. If one observes certain rhythm events (figures) in the past, with a little practice it is possible to anticipate a new manifestation of similar (events) figures and to react accordingly.
And THAT is the real point.
symmetry violation
if there is no symmetry, one speaks of a violation of symmetry.
Nothing's perfect - not even some symmetries. The world is full of imperfect symmetries - called "broken" by physicists.
Luckily! Because if our world were completely symmetrical, we would probably not die of boredom for one reason: Because we would not exist at all . Because in a completely symmetrical world, everything would be the same. There would be no different interactions, there would be no stars, planets, people - no @Sachsen and no @Wendor and no other users here. No differences. Nothing.In other words, we are the anomaly, the exception that confirms the rule. Through our very existence and the ability to even philosophize about it, we seem to be directly violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which, to put it simply, means: More and more disorder must arise from a relative order - right up to the final chaos and resolution , Life as we know it contradicts simple Natural law. Unfortunately, only apparently. Because, we only have the "time not available" to see and to experience that not only do we pass as humanity, but everything we see and experience as "our world". In the end, symmetries and their natural laws prevail. And the "bleak peace" is restored in the universe - without us.So it might be. Until then, we want to have some fun and do something good for US and others. So, let's use our knowledge of these laws - before they reciprocate. And a casino is the most honest and brutal "test track" for our knowledge. When the quantum M. wave function collapses, there are only facts. When red appears, THIS IS FACT and there is nothing more to say. Like in business (through advertising) - or in politics - through “big speechesâ€. What can they come up with - to NOT have to be honest. But, this is not our topic.
Many of you have already observed the almost aesthetic “knitting patterns†in the tote board that amazes you. As if the game table at Rot / Schw follows a certain rhythm. For seemingly inexplicable reasons. And exactly these rhythms are used by me for the conception of the variable paroling game. I have always tried to see events, objects and everything that is "bustling" in "my" world in an overall context. And I always noticed certain regularities (patterns). On the social-social (cultural) - as well, on the material level.
Carl G. Jung in his Collective Unconscious described it like this:
The structures that arise from the collective unconscious are archetypes, archetypes that are typical of humanity in general.
The collective unconscious is a kind of intellectual inheritance that is reborn in every brain structure, an inheritance of human development. In this collective unconscious are the wisdom, the accumulated history, the common dispositions of man, the sources of his highest aspirations and lowest opinions. This common reason also explains the impressive thematic similarities in religion, myth, fairy tales, artistic creations and above all in our dreams. And this part of the psyche deals with the fundamentals of existence, birth, life and death, the conflicts of growing up to mature independence (what Jung calls the individuation), hunger and heroism, marriage and murder.
I just want to illustrate the basic principle of the Variable Paroli game somewhat illustratively - from a somewhat unusual perspective.
It is just one of many brushstones. And NOT meant to impress anyone with my remarks.
The time would be a shame for that. But when one or the other has become curious and a little more thoughtful - I have achieved my goal.
WENDOR
Thanks for that post Carlos. It's a great explanation to what I was trying to show in my photo.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 02, 06:34 AM 2020So can there be a connection between chaos and symmetry at all? Field and Golubitsky make this connection . They describe how a chaotic process can lead to symmetrical patterns:If the above-mentioned turbulence in the flow of a body of water was photographed about once per second and all the pictures were placed on top of one another, structure would appear in chaos. The authors explain the mathematics of such processes and provide the formulas that can be used to imitate them on the computer.
In this way, images of symmetrical chaos are created that appear strangely familiar to the viewer due to their symmetry and are overwhelmingly beautiful. No wonder, since they strikingly resemble symmetrical patterns in nature and many decorative designs - from motifs in art to common logos and ceramic tiles.
These chaotic SYMMETRIES are especially important for random generators like roulette. If one observes certain rhythm events (figures) in the past, with a little practice it is possible to anticipate a new manifestation of similar (events) figures and to react accordingly.
And THAT is the real point.
You are welcome, Kimo.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 02, 08:54 AM 2020
Thanks for that post Carlos. It's a great explanation to what I was trying to show in my photo.
I will buy your grail but only after when you will show your game in live stream in online casino. Can we do that? Only 1 game.
Fluid dynamics is not chaotic at all. It is easily simulated and nothing like rng.
Is there any example specifically relating to rng?
Kimo Li is a genius, his teachings are of the highest value.
I learned to play roulette professionally because of his free contributions alone.
This is the right time to say Thank you Kimo Li for everything.
Quote from: charly on Mar 02, 03:36 PM 2020
I will buy your grail but only after when you will show your game in live stream in online casino. Can we do that? Only 1 game.
It's not that simple to purchase the grail. One has to go through a vetting process. One must complete lesson one before any consideration towards learning the grail.
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 02, 07:32 PM 2020
Kimo Li is a genius, his teachings are of the highest value.
I learned to play roulette professionally because of his free contributions alone.
This is the right time to say Thank you Kimo Li for everything.
Thank you for your kind words.
Regards, Kimo
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 02, 07:32 PM 2020I learned to play roulette professionally because of his free contributions alone.
.. until you lose, and see the system is no better than random bets.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 02, 06:07 PM 2020
Fluid dynamics is not chaotic at all. It is easily simulated and nothing like rng.
Is there any example specifically relating to rng?
Yes
We know precognition works
We know you can improve precognition through practice.
Why waste your time with anything else?
For me it is an art form of self-sabotage. Usually stems from self-doubt and procrastination.
Thanks for the reminder. I start doing my energy work session in a minute.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 03, 01:51 PM 2020
We know precognition works
We know you can improve precognition through practice.
Why waste your time with anything else?
Because precognition has no guarantees, only speculation.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 03, 02:20 PM 2020
Because precognition has no guarantees, only speculation.
Exactly
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 03, 02:20 PM 2020
Because precognition has no guarantees, only speculation.
That is your opinion. Not fact.
The fact is precognition is guaranteed if you practice.
Quote from: Clf7 on Mar 03, 02:27 PM 2020
Exactly
You seem to go around the forum looking for solutions. If you seriously believe Kimo has the answer, why are you still searching?
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 03, 01:55 PM 2020
For me it is an art form of self-sabotage. Usually stems from self-doubt and procrastination.
Thanks for the reminder. I start doing my energy work session in a minute.
I can relate, in the early days I would experiment with systems thinking their might be a easier route. But in the end I understood it was all a waste of time and precog is the only way to go.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 03, 02:56 PM 2020
You seem to go around the forum looking for solutions. If you seriously believe Kimo has the answer, why are you still searching?
The reason is very simple....No money ;)
Was playing Kimo Li way today!
Dominant & Sub dominant stars mixed in with odd & even that was on a streak. Made some $
Left with profit!
Thanks Kimo Li
Quote from: number25 on Mar 03, 05:37 PM 2020
Was playing Kimo Li way today!
Dominant & Sub dominant stars mixed in with odd & even that was on a streak. Made some $
Left with profit!
Thanks Kimo Li
You are welcome. You must have an in-dept understanding of my work . Dominant and Sub dominant stars mixed with odd and even observation is quite advanced.
Kimo, without a detailed explanation, your images dont prove anything.
How many spins do you usually need to observe before you start betting with your system?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 10:53 PM 2020
Kimo, without a detailed explanation, your images dont prove anything.
How many spins do you usually need to observe before you start betting with your system?
I am not trying to prove anything. The images have been redacted.
It takes 8 spins.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 10:53 PM 2020Kimo, without a detailed explanation, your images dont prove anything.
Precogmiles, without a detailed explanation, your boasts and claims don't prove anything.
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 04, 01:36 AM 2020
Precogmiles, without a detailed explanation, your boasts and claims don't prove anything.
Taotie,
Atencion please...."" Nostradamus"" already know
what you Will write , before you even think about what
you want to write here....
Precog can only work while playing with free money
Once u play with real money, and start losing, your brain will shutdown its moderate processing
Precognition works with real money.
What does a blind person know about redness or blueness or yellowness.
I thank Carpanta whom I met a few years ago and KImo li because his teachings inspired FR across borders to the Spanish language. Thank you so much to both of you.
Agradezco a Carpanta a quien conocà hace unos años y a KImo li porque sus enseñanzas inspiraron FR cruzando fronteras al idioma español muchas Gracias a ambos .
Quote from: travis on Mar 04, 12:33 PM 2020
I thank Carpanta whom I met a few years ago and KImo li because his teachings inspired FR across borders to the Spanish language. Thank you so much to both of you.
Agradezco a Carpanta a quien conocà hace unos años y a KImo li porque sus enseñanzas inspiraron FR cruzando fronteras al idioma español muchas Gracias a ambos .
You are welcome.
Ok kimo, let's say 2 players use the system on different rng, but see the same 8 spins. Then they make the same bets. But because the rngs are different, the next numbers will be different. How does your system win then? The outcomes are completely different.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 04:09 PM 2020
Ok kimo, let's say 2 players use the system on different rng, but see the same 8 spins. Then they make the same bets. But because the rngs are different, the next numbers will be different. How does your system win then? The outcomes are completely different.
That’s a very good question. But the same question You have two players different wheels and roulette computer calculated the the same sector and number but they got different results.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 04, 05:22 PM 2020But the same question You have two players different wheels and roulette computer calculated the the same sector and number but they got different results.
No it's nothing like RNG.
With RNG, the results would have absolutely no correlation to each other.
With real wheel physics, if the variables are the same, the results will be much the same. There is some variance, but on the vast majority of spins, the ball will still land in much the expected area.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 05:33 PM 2020
No it's nothing like RNG.
With RNG, the results would have absolutely no correlation to each other.
With real wheel physics, if the variables are the same, the results will be much the same. There is some variance, but on the vast majority of spins, the ball will still land in much the expected area.
👌
Quote from: Steve on Mar 04, 04:09 PM 2020
Ok kimo, let's say 2 players use the system on different rng, but see the same 8 spins. Then they make the same bets. But because the rngs are different, the next numbers will be different. How does your system win then? The outcomes are completely different.
I think the wins will appear but at the first one at first spin and the other at 4th for example.Nobody says that they will appear immediately.Perhaps in 5,6 or 7 spins? I dont know ofc, Kimo will answer
Quote from: Clf7 on Mar 04, 05:57 PM 2020
I think the wins will appear but at the first one at first spin and the other at 4th for example.Nobody says that they will appear immediately.Perhaps in 5,6 or 7 spins? I dont know ofc, Kimo will answer
Exactly, the numbers after the eight spins will reflect the bet section for both past spins and may hit the first spin for one, the second spin for the other. In any case, the bet selection will accommodate both scenarios.
Now you're saying certain events must happen, which is again fallacy. So is "pigeonholing". You still have payouts below the odds. Your bets still have random accuracy.
And you're saying past random spins are connected to future spins. They arent.
Kimo, for you is: the more random the better?
What would happen if 100 players used your hg and every spin their rng changed? They'd still win, right?
If you are playing alone with casino RNG software based device no way you are goint to win since it is programmed as a slot machine.
Software knows where you placed your bet and it will produce a number accordingly.
If you are not in the right spot to qualify for a prize then you'll lose miserably.
These devices produce "randomn" outcomes when many people are betting at the same time all over the virtual felt. In these cases keeping a low profile could let you get away with murder.
Certain events must happen yes or yes. No way they cant happen.
I believe you didnt read carefully a scientist reserch about randomness posted by me some days ago. What you are implying is that someone doesnt know when they will repeat.
I disagree. Past spins despite being independent from each others they leave "footprints".
Chaos has rhythm and produces simmetries which can persist for more or less extensive time.
Most people seems to be anaware of these rhythms and simmetries in EC for instance or at least they dont know how to take adventage of them.
The issue naysayers have has to do with an erroneous conception of the game because you face it from the wrong spectrum of mathematics.
The correct spectrum that you have to look at is that of statistics (collecting data) and their analysis.
Besides you are worried somebody can prove you wrong since it means you were mistaken for so long.
Math boys/girls either dont study the game or if they did and figured out some kind of solution they stay mute.
Carvingo, youve really got no idea and i wont waste the time.
Steve, for once, we agree. I think the same of you.
Here is something interesting for you people trying to find something that works .
Ex you have 17000 placed bets and for the guys that are interested in spins that’s 100.000 imo those don’t count but what ever,out of 17000 I lose 8 time martingale of 7 bets in a row
128 units what else do you want in life imo you-beat the game .
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 02:43 AM 2020
Now you're saying certain events must happen, which is again fallacy. So is "pigeonholing". You still have payouts below the odds. Your bets still have random accuracy.
And you're saying past random spins are connected to future spins. They arent.
Kimo, for you is: the more random the better?
What would happen if 100 players used your hg and every spin their rng changed? They'd still win, right?
My bets still have random accuracy.
All spins are connected to future events.
Randomness is indifferent. My system is designed to decipher any random spins.
Of course, 100 player using the hg will always win.
The fact that you are using your values and what you have learned to judge me, tells me you are still searching for the solution to solve the illusive RNG dilemma. It's a unicorn, something that most people would like to exist.
Sorry to have wasted your time. By the way, I have been called the Unicorn.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 02:43 AM 2020
Now you're saying certain events must happen, which is again fallacy. So is "pigeonholing". You still have payouts below the odds. Your bets still have random accuracy.
And you're saying past random spins are connected to future spins. They arent.
I must get in on this. It completely applies to Reading Randomness. I would say that at least one thing must happen if you can decide to see gambling in this way. Games of chance have a tendency to go up and down when all you have is a choice between one side or the other, the proverbial "coin flip." One day it can be all good. On another day it can be all bad. It can grind away real slow either way. It can be an imperceptible mishmosh.
In that way the individual spins are connected to the whole results. So the question is can you gamble based on session results as a whole? I say you can if you decide to. You can also decide to only see each spin as part of one single thing or nothing. But then you get into the chicken or the egg disagreements.
Randomness has all kinds of characteristics. "It can't get more or less random" could be debatable but then that would more than likely to digress to a discussion of semantics.
Kimo, if your bets have random accuracy, your system isn't the hg. It is no better than other losing systems. That's because the payouts are below the odds.
It's not something you can debate. It's either understood or not.
What's the point of bet selection if accuracy of predictions is still random? With a single number you still average 1 in 37 but get paid 35-1. Your claims are literally impossible.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 03:01 PM 2020
Kimo, if your bets have random accuracy, your system isn't the hg. It is no better than other losing systems. That's because the payouts are below the odds.
It's not something you can debate. It's either understood or not.
What's the point of bet selection if accuracy of predictions is still random? With a single number you still average 1 in 37 but get paid 35-1. Your claims are literally impossible.
If any system have random accuracy, and wins, it's the HG.
Random can be categorized randomly to facilitate random outcomes that somehow magically hits random bet selections.
My claims are not impossible. In fact, I am teaching a student on an InterBlock airball how to win 100.00 a day with the following parameters: Max bet 35.00 per spin, 24 seconds between spins. Under these circumstances, he still manages to make anywhere from 50.00 to 400.00 per session, everyday. That's done in a time period of 20 minutes to 2 hours, no problem.
Imagine if there were no max bet restrictions, sky is the limit. I have graduates all over the world who make 40,000.00 to 50,000.00 per month, using the same principles. No! It's not impossible. Impossible for everyone else who does not know how to look beyond their limitations.
Kimo, the limitation is reality, expressed as really basic math, which you dont understand.
You dont even understand your constant contradictions. Like random spins that hit better than random but dont, but do. Youre just another experienced player masquerading as a guru.
Just Random thoughts :
Randomize and normalize your data sample using a probability distribution that is different from normal distribution, use bayesian updating formulas to find the conditional probabilities involved, compute the parameters of your model given the known data.
If that doesn't work, transform the matrix into a graph using a non-parametric bayesian model into a graph with edges and vertices using the Colour box concept like the example in the picture below:
(link:s://i.postimg.cc/WdX7zqn1/A15-XGBXuo6mj88d-I9-ZQP-05-46ddd139c9fe49d149ba6fae722bf6b7-image.jpg)
Tracking Random groups this way is different.
Take it a step further and you will get graphs that can be analyzed using graph theory.
The point is, either you belong to a frequentists mindset which believes on the long term frequencies to tell the probabilities of a given random process. That is to say this group tries to fix probabilities while playing around and manipulating data looking for better predictions.
Or you may belong to the bayesian mindset group, they believe that probabilities must reflect our beliefs on a specific event occurring rather than the probabilities being fixed.
They fix the data and they try to estimate what the parameters or the probabilities that would produce the observed data.
Belief is a powerful thing, and is important to understand in this domain.
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 05, 05:52 PM 2020Belief is a powerful thing, and is important to understand in this domain.
Belief that flapping arms makes you fly doesnt change reality.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 05:50 PM 2020
Kimo, the limitation is reality, expressed as really basic math, which you dont understand.
You dont even understand your constant contradictions. Like random spins that hit better than random but dont, but do. Youre just another experienced player masquerading as a guru.
I am an educated man. Contradictions only enter your mind because your references are limited, making it seem contradictory. In fact, it's a paradox. I don't judge your intellect. Don't judge mine.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 05:54 PM 2020
Belief that flapping arms makes you fly doesnt change reality.
All of the scientific, math, and logically thinkers, with all of their credentials, proof, theorems, cannot fathom the idea that something outside their way of thinking is possible. Of course flapping arms will not make any one fly. It's been proven. The reality is there are some individuals who can win with roulette using a concept that is not published in any media venue.
There is nothing to debate. That is my reality.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 05:54 PM 2020
Belief that flapping arms makes you fly doesnt change reality.
That's correct.
But we didn't knew that before we tested it was the case.
The belief that bayesians talk about is in terms of updating the probabilities given New evidence, a belief that is estimated given updated information about the state of the random process.
I agree that roulette has no memory, past spins don't affect the next spin, but let's take an example of a bayesian inference that May change your mind.
Let's say we have a bag that contains 4 marbles , we don't know the colors of the marbles. We only know there is two colors that any marble may have Red or Green.
We take one marble form the bag see what Color it is and put it back in the bag, we do this three times.
We observe the following colors:
Red - Green - Red
Now given the data
How many marbles are green and how many are red in the bag?
Hint : The bag may contain:
Red - Red - Green - Green
Or
Red - Red - Red - Green
Or
Green - Green - Green - Red
Solution:
Let's see if you can get the correct answer, before I show the solution, which is really interesting and very valuable for any roulette player.
all the so called experts here, are invited to provide a solution.
If you do say two are red and two are green, or three reds and one green or whatever, without justifying your answer doesn't count as a valid solution.
From that data alone there is no way to know for sure.
It could be any of those combinations.
Of course there are two red marbles drawn.
One has to examine if they are identical in nature. If we assume the reds are identical, then my assumption that there is no way to know for sure.
Whether the reds are identical it could imply diffent scenarios.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 05, 07:02 PM 2020
From that data alone there is no way to know for sure.
It could be any of those combinations.
Of course there are two red marbles drawn.
One has to examine if they are identical in nature. If we assume the reds are identical, then my assumption that there is no way to know for sure.
Whether the reds are identical it could imply diffent scenarios.
I forgot to mention that you are expected to give the probability that the answer is one of the three options I hinted earlier.
Yes there is a logical mathematical way to know the answer with the highest probability of being correct.
It very easy to say "you just dont know the secret". Its a simple defection, when you have nothing valid. Turbo did the same, as did countless self professed gurus that almost everyone eventually learned what they were.
Still I havent seen a shred of proof supporting your claims. Again, everything points the other way.
I'm a scientific person. "You dont know the secret" doesnt cut it.
In that case reds were drawn 2:1 ratio to green.
Yet if we account for 3 drawing and assume that reds must be the dominant, we still drawn a green, which is less likely if the reds are indeed dominant.
I guess the highest probability is 2 reds and 2 greens.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 05, 07:20 PM 2020
In that case reds were drawn 2:1 ratio to green.
Yet if we account for 3 drawing and assume that reds must be the dominant, we still drawn a green, which is less likely if the reds are indeed dominant.
I guess the highest probability is 2 reds and 2 greens.
Let's see what the other members will say before we reveal the solution.
But tell me, if there is a logical step by step process to solve this puzzle, wouldn't that enlarge your understanding of probability?
Wouldn't it be interesting to apply it in some way to our favorite game roulette?
It is not applicable to roulette, unless there is a bias. In roulette we already know all the colors.
Previous drawings not affect the probability of the next drawings based on logic alone.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 05, 07:51 PM 2020
It is not applicable to roulette, unless there is a bias. In roulette we already know all the colors.
Previous drawings not affect the probability of the next drawings based on logic alone.
Start by solving this puzzle and you will get the point.
Having said that I agree with gizmotron on that sometimes synchronistic patterns do occur and sometimes they are happen to be in a working state.
I buy into the idea that random patterns can trick you to believe there are linguistic patterns occuring that you can speak for a short window of opportunity based on the current history as it happens with you as a player in mind.
Kimo could you say why and how the outcome is random?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 05, 07:18 PM 2020
It very easy to say "you just dont know the secret". Its a simple defection, when you have nothing valid. Turbo did the same, as did countless self professed gurus that almost everyone eventually learned what they were.
Still I havent seen a shred of proof supporting your claims. Again, everything points the other way.
I'm a scientific person. "You dont know the secret" doesnt cut it.
I do not have the need to show you proof. If you don't believe or don't care to believe, so what. It really does not matter.
Continue your search. I hope you get there.
Quote from: Clf7 on Mar 05, 09:29 PM 2020
Kimo could you say why and how the outcome is random?
Why?, the outcome is random. How?, through random number generator.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 06, 01:06 AM 2020
I do not have the need to show you proof. If you don't believe or don't care to believe, so what. It really does not matter.
Continue your search. I hope you get there.
You dont, but tried, demonstrated backwards logic you couldnt explain, had nowhere to go, so played the "only I know the secret" card.
And I understood the basics long ago.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 06, 01:08 AM 2020
Why?, the outcome is random. How?, through random number generator.
So how can you win better than random but not but do and not?
You're just speaking dribble kimo, which is what i expect when someone like you gets exposed.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 05, 06:29 PM 2020All of the scientific, math, and logically thinkers, with all of their credentials, proof, theorems, cannot fathom the idea that something outside their way of thinking is possible.
For sure is very easy to say that is some magical stick, rule - know it and you are millionaire :). And these who have logical thinking and math knowledge - simply cant that understand :) !
Kimo - very simple is to claim on the forums, when not need something to prove... But you do all in real-time when somebody sees that.
For example, I can demonstrate spins from my roulette through skype and you can do bets accordingly your theory. If you will guess by 3STD more than random - you will prove, that your theory works.
Let's do this deal?
Hi Kimo, I have read and studied your book, I like your analogy of the eclipse btw :)
Could you point me in the direction of what I should focus on in the process of the combination of GPM and GSM. There are an almost infinte number of eclipses but too what end? What does the eclipse show me?
Kindest
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Mar 06, 03:51 AM 2020
For sure is very easy to say that is some magical stick, rule - know it and you are millionaire :). And these who have logical thinking and math knowledge - simply cant that understand :) !
Go tell Copernico this one. He would have had a lot of fun listening to your argument. He had the audacity to say that the earth was not the center of the universe. At first he resisted openly publishing his views, not wishingâ€"as he confessedâ€"to risk the scorn "to which he would expose himself on account of the novelty and incomprehensibility of his theses."
One was right everybody else wrong.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 06, 06:12 AM 2020He had the audacity to say that the earth was not the center of the universe.
So why you are not so brave as he :) ? Why you all so try to hide himself ? Anyone can scream online how smart is he when nobody sees, but when the matter comes that need to show, when somebody can see you - all your abilities - disappear. I, not one time met such smart guys from the internet in real casinos, till now not saw how they win...
Do you think that in an environment as collaborative as this thread, do I want to explain anything?
People are eager to make a breakthrough and demand things as if they have a right to be informed. Do you think it took an easy road to come to conclusions?
If you dont study and comprehend Kimo's teachings and tools he offers to figure out what's going on the wheel, it's like talking different languages, nobody understanding shit.
Come on study the right stuff, you have some good hints in this thread and forum in general, and dont sit down on a couch shaking the head all the time. People pass but things dont change.
Have a nice day.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 05, 08:06 PM 2020
Having said that I agree with gizmotron on that sometimes synchronistic patterns do occur and sometimes they are happen to be in a working state.
I buy into the idea that random patterns can trick you to believe there are linguistic patterns occuring that you can speak for a short window of opportunity based on the current history as it happens with you as a player in mind.
Yep, patterns and trends are just formations that you can see in your mind. In the field of psychology it is known as pareidolia. But more important there is timing. This timing stands alone from the patterns. It's seeing that a thing is in a phase of working at a specific time. I use visual dexterity and pareidolia to see strips of data in a working phase. The human brain can be programmed to see these associations far easier than a computer can. Proving that it can work and that timing is all important would be a daunting task for me to program as an algorithmic example of proof. I have chosen the human programming approach. It takes longer and is dependent on others doing the work for themselves. So we get different opinions regarding it. Still, it's all out there for anyone to try it out. It's free.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 06, 08:08 AM 2020Do you think that in an environment as collaborative as this thread, do I want to explain anything?
Nobody interests in your explanations. The question was simple - you claim, that you are HG holder. If that is true, then you can easily predict the coming numbers with more than 3STD. I offer you to demonstrate your abilities on my wheel, or on some video translation from some online casino - you do that and all questions are closed. Nobody will ask how you that do, believe that it is not interesting till nobody saw that you, or Kimo can win at all !!
Till now all what you - all system players do are talks about how smarts are you !! Nothing more...
We all can talk that we all are super winners and all know what not know others, but what is benefit from these empty talks ?
Grown men debating and arguing about a little wheel .Just bet red / black
This is what happen with religions ,My god is better then yours bla bla bla .
You either bet with the odds against you / probability or find technology to help you it’s that simple .
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Mar 06, 03:51 AM 2020
For sure is very easy to say that is some magical stick, rule - know it and you are millionaire :). And these who have logical thinking and math knowledge - simply cant that understand :) !
Kimo - very simple is to claim on the forums, when not need something to prove... But you do all in real-time when somebody sees that.
For example, I can demonstrate spins from my roulette through skype and you can do bets accordingly your theory. If you will guess by 3STD more than random - you will prove, that your theory works.
Let's do this deal?
What do you mean 3STD?
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 05, 06:29 PM 2020We observe the following colors:
Red - Green - Red
How many marbles are green and how many are red in the bag?
Hint : The bag may contain:
Red - Red - Green - Green
Or
Red - Red - Red - Green
Or
Green - Green - Green - Red
I'll give it a try:
if the bag contains: Red - Red - Green - Green
p(Red - Green - Red) = 0.5*0.5*0.5 = 0.125 = 12.5 %
if the bag contains: Red - Red - Red- Green
p(Red - Green - Red) = 3*0.25*0.25*3*0.25 = 0.140625 =
14.06 %if the bag contains: Green - Green - Green - Red
p(Red - Green - Red) = 0.25*3*0.25*0.25 = 0.046875 = 4.9 %
So its most probable the the bag contains Red - Red - Red- Green
Quote from: Steve on Mar 06, 03:42 AM 2020
So how can you win better than random but not but do and not?
You're just speaking dribble kimo, which is what i expect when someone like you gets exposed.
It is not I that is being exposed. Why don't you elaborate on your "HG"? There are many players here who want to see how you play on a daily basis and why your approach is superior.
You want everybody else to show proof. Why don't you give us your proof?
Kimo, i already have. What i do is quite logical, but not relevant to this discussion.
Hi.
Answering your enquires is not difficult. Having the will to do it, is. Today that will has born. Because of Syrian events exponential escalation. And where that will bring us, the wheel people, to.
I’ve seen many of you suffer under the tyranny of prices, how money has over shadowed the value of meaningful relationships and depth. How shallowness has become the unwritten social norm and how those who know the game of life have utterly lost the purpose of living which is not 42 nor owning the biz. We are here to have useful and value adding real friendships. Ones where going on a fishing trip on a cheap boat is fulfilling and genuinely enjoyable experience. Where we are allowed to breath fresh air to remain healthy is a normality, and where character related deviations are not judged but healed. Where caring is balancing the modern day indifference, where OOBE’s and vibration, frequency and energy of the very soul becomes intriguing or the perspective on eternity the full meaning of our very existence.
I’d like you all to get excited about finer things in life after our contribution. To me, money helped me to shift focus; from quantitative to being finally capable to live the moment and actually become present. I wish that to you all.
If those who have exceptional quality on wheel accuracy care to join this endeavor on a shoulder to shoulder bases great. If not, it’s your free will. Yet, I’m done reading about depressed individuals banging their heads on the wall because they literally can not afford counseling and as we are going to enter some massively imbalanced Times here on the larger scale, why not excite the wheel community for one last time.
Here we go.
Tesla groups. R189. R234. R568. They all follow an order. It’s hit in 3s with 12nbs. Or 13nbs when we are talking 189(0) group.
But beware. Take two time base loss as your buy in. So that if you use the order of the sequence in the wrong direction and it is therefore not hitting on that natural first 3s cycle, it will certainly on the second one.
30.40.50 Progression for both.
Buy in 1k, exit at plus 9k, net. 10k total.
The Tesla orders:
123456789
741852963
628406284
Can also be played as the sum of 3. Means take last 3s sum up each consecutive individual one number to root 10 and just take the combination from there.
Like this:
09 1 to ten
18 1
17 2
Total of 4, play corresponding group.
You can also lessen numbers. Nine(ten with zero). Double roots or ends meaning 8nbs(9with zero) or 7. Or 6. Or a single root. Or half a root/end. Or, one single number per cycle to hit.
The cycles are:
2 for 18(19)
3 for 12
4 for 9(10) or as accuracy increases 2s cycles
6 for 6, or as predictability raises, 3nbs in six.
4nbs in 3s. Or two in 3s.
2nbs in 6 spins.
And one number in 36s. Or in 18 spins. Or in 12 spins. Or, at best one in six spins.
And those are the main cycles. That’s how the correct perspective shall lead towards winning.
We can use patterns to notice what happens in two consecutive cycles to determine what bet selection to choose for the third. It is easier to execute with more numbers as with less, the cycles overlap which can lead to potential confusion over the connection events - especially for the untrained eye. And the person who is not used to taking calculated risks under stress in an educated manner.
Or we can turn to the perfection of the wheel based six lined orderly identical wheel based matrix to increase so significantly the odds of winning that the process literally turn the game and session related dynamics in our favor. By that I do mean risking 18(20)units to win 18(16 with zero) 75-85% of the time. Or the sun matrix for purest form of perfection. Which is the final HG.
The final way is via geometrical symmetry.
But to finalize a perfect execution one must never rely on less than 10x base loss as a Bank Roll. And never risk more than half of a BR per session, which is already an extremely risky set up for longer term potential optimization.
The way the process works is to reach out for an outcome that saturates itself.
Like this:
31.6.36.
Bet 1.
Or
31.31.31.
31.
But be cautious, it may also connect in a manner that hands out 2 number you bet for 6 spins.
So it requires extreme focus to notice the genuine connection events.
369 line has its own way of tweaking the outcome.
It’s irrelevant what one plays in the realm of an outcome based game unless the cashier from the local fish and chips is a professional wheel person desiring to get thrilled about accuracy and the nuances of process of reaching a certain target or stop loss. All the ask for is cash or a virtual transfer via a card.
I’m a person with a considerable baggage of sin in my life. I have failed in every single way a person can. In fact, I could be stigmatized easily as the very definition of most lowest low. I look myself in the mirror and all I see is a loser. Because I have lost the only thing that ever mattered to me, like Saul.
But if this minor gesture is of any value or impact upon one single life out there, a life that’s been on the wheel for a decade, a few or even just one single hour from genuine despair, then perhaps what I have done in my life, shall be even most slightly balanced.
If not. I bow to you all, who have been here throughout the years as truly, you are the most impressive people I’ve come about to ever know. Because unlike myself, you guys always held to the principles of dignity and honor.
That means verticality and character. Be it because Steve’s got an iron grip on the events of the forum and admined an admirable level of quality to it, be it your determined own personalities, I have to admit this:
I have been delighted to know the truest sense of some pretty intellectually fancy and highly sophisticated mind sets.
May that deliver you what I lost.
Quote from: Herby on Mar 06, 09:56 AM 2020
I'll give it a try:
if the bag contains: Red - Red - Green - Green
p(Red - Green - Red) = 0.5*0.5*0.5 = 0.125 = 12.5 %
if the bag contains: Red - Red - Red- Green
p(Red - Green - Red) = 3*0.25*0.25*3*0.25 = 0.140625 = 14.06 %
if the bag contains: Green - Green - Green - Red
p(Red - Green - Red) = 0.25*3*0.25*0.25 = 0.046875 = 4.9 %
So its most probable the the bag contains Red - Red - Red- Green
That is correct Herby, do you have any intuitions on how to apply this concept in roulette?
That is nice. I was lazy to do the calculation, but as it turned out red, red, red, green still had a small edge after all.
I am interested hearing the deeper concept you intended to point out.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 06, 03:41 PM 2020
That is nice. I was lazy to do the calculation, but as it turned out red, red, red, green still had a small edge after all.
I am interested hearing the deeper concept you intended to point out.
There are plenty of concepts I want to share, the question you want to ask is how do we fix a certain parameter in some group of spins of our choice, and then extract from it the features that you will use as the observed data, and finally predict the state of the fixed parameter based on the updating features.
I hope this makes sense.
Quote from: HouseWife on Mar 06, 01:02 PM 2020
It’s irrelevant what one plays in the realm of an outcome based game unless the cashier from the local fish and chips is a professional wheel person desiring to get thrilled about accuracy and the nuances of process of reaching a certain target or stop loss. All the ask for is cash or a virtual transfer via a card.
I’m a person with a considerable baggage of sin in my life. I have failed in every single way a person can. In fact, I could be stigmatized easily as the very definition of most lowest low. I look myself in the mirror and all I see is a loser. Because I have lost the only thing that ever mattered to me, like Saul.
But if this minor gesture is of any value or impact upon one single life out there, a life that’s been on the wheel for a decade, a few or even just one single hour from genuine despair, then perhaps what I have done in my life, shall be even most slightly balanced.
If not. I bow to you all, who have been here throughout the years as truly, you are the most impressive people I’ve come about to ever know. Because unlike myself, you guys always held to the principles of dignity and honor.
That means verticality and character. Be it because Steve’s got an iron grip on the events of the forum and admined an admirable level of quality to it, be it your determined own personalities, I have to admit this:
I have been delighted to know the truest sense of some pretty intellectually fancy and highly sophisticated mind sets.
May that deliver you what I lost.
Thank you for that awesome contribution.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 06, 11:39 AM 2020
Kimo, i already have. What i do is quite logical, but not relevant to this discussion.
You have?, would you post the link so we can see your proof?
What I do is quite logical as well, which makes this not relevant to this discussion as well.
Quote from: HouseWife on Mar 06, 12:19 PM 2020
The Tesla orders:
123456789
741852963
628406284
Can also be played as the sum of 3. Means take last 3s sum up each consecutive individual one number to root 10 and just take the combination from there.
Like this:
09 1 to ten
18 1
17 2
Total of 4, play corresponding group.
Need better info that we can understand.
Quote from: number25 on Mar 06, 07:26 PM 2020
Need better info that we can understand.
Obviously serious background info needed on the basics otherwise the explanation above as good as falkor's.
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 06, 04:10 PM 2020
There are plenty of concepts I want to share, the question you want to ask is how do we fix a certain parameter in some group of spins of our choice, and then extract from it the features that you will use as the observed data, and finally predict the state of the fixed parameter based on the updating features.
I hope this makes sense.
Examples would be needed.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 06, 07:49 PM 2020
Examples would be needed.
(link:s://i.ibb.co/0VGN1Ld/IMG-20200307-014450.png)
Those are results from a 10,000 spins sample.
Not bad, but not what I am looking for.
I found my HG today, I wish you all great success this will be my last post my free time is over and I have to go back to family life.
Best regards, Kali.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 04:41 PM 2020For me, it's not about the money. It's about vetting the individual to join a tight group of individual wolves.
But that's not true, is it Kimo? Anyone can go to your website and buy lesson one for $2000 without being 'vetted'. Of course you would have to have more money than sense to do that. There is no information there about what exactly you're getting for your money - nothing at all.
I think your list of 'virtues' which you require players should have isn't really about them; it's about you. You want people to think you're a morally upright kind of guy so that they trust you and buy the system and the fact that you say nothing about what the buyer gets adds to the mystique. It's part of the Kimo Li brand.
And the titles of your books are very misleading. In the American wheel version the subtitle is 'how to predict the exact number', but you don't say how to do it, and in the Euro wheel version the subtitle is 'Innovative strategies for the single zero roulette wheel', but there are no strategies at all in the book. The only strategies are for memorizing the wheel, which should have been made clear.
So it seems you fail to live up to your own high moral standards, Kimo. Personally I think you're nothing but a snake oil salesman and clever marketer.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 04:25 AM 2020
But that's not true, is it Kimo? Anyone can go to your website and buy lesson one for $2000 without being 'vetted'. Of course you would have to have more money than sense to do that. There is no information there about what exactly you're getting for your money - nothing at all.
I think your list of 'virtues' which you require players should have isn't really about them; it's about you. You want people to think you're a morally upright kind of guy so that they trust you and buy the system and the fact that you say nothing about what the buyer gets adds to the mystique. It's part of the Kimo Li brand.
And the titles of your books are very misleading. In the American wheel version the subtitle is 'how to predict the exact number', but you don't say how to do it, and in the Euro wheel version the subtitle is 'Innovative strategies for the single zero roulette wheel', but there are no strategies at all in the book. The only strategies are for memorizing the wheel, which should have been made clear.
So it seems you fail to live up to your own high moral standards, Kimo. Personally I think you're nothing but a snake oil salesman and clever marketer.
Here's one for Joe
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=rXwMrBb2x1Q
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 04:25 AM 2020
But that's not true, is it Kimo? Anyone can go to your website and buy lesson one for $2000 without being 'vetted'. Of course you would have to have more money than sense to do that. There is no information there about what exactly you're getting for your money - nothing at all.
I think your list of 'virtues' which you require players should have isn't really about them; it's about you. You want people to think you're a morally upright kind of guy so that they trust you and buy the system and the fact that you say nothing about what the buyer gets adds to the mystique. It's part of the Kimo Li brand.
And the titles of your books are very misleading. In the American wheel version the subtitle is 'how to predict the exact number', but you don't say how to do it, and in the Euro wheel version the subtitle is 'Innovative strategies for the single zero roulette wheel', but there are no strategies at all in the book. The only strategies are for memorizing the wheel, which should have been made clear.
So it seems you fail to live up to your own high moral standards, Kimo. Personally I think you're nothing but a snake oil salesman and clever marketer.
Attached is a list of virtues that you are referring to.
Yes there is a payment option on my website to purchase lesson one. If someone tries to purchase lesson one without being vetted, there is an automatic refund. Then, an email is sent out explaining the reason for the refund. This has never happen. No one in there right mind would purchase something without knowing what they are getting, hence the vetting process.
Both you and Gizmo would automatically be disqualified, reason: "is self absorbed, egotistical, among others.
Once the inquirer is vetted, there are told exactly what they will be getting. Explaining to someone who does not qualify is a waste of their time and mine.
Any who has read my book will see that I emphasize the importance of memorizing the numbers on the roulette wheel. All of my strategies are listed in the books. There is no how to implement these strategies. There is a reason for that. Anyone who is serious about using my strategies, contact me directly. If they meet the criteria for further knowledge, they are offered lesson one and the exact details of what to expect.
It's a process of not wasting time for the interested person and mine.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 09:15 AM 2020Any who has read my book will see that I emphasize the importance of memorizing the numbers on the roulette wheel. All of my strategies are listed in the books. There is no how to implement these strategies. There is a reason for that. Anyone who is serious about using my strategies, contact me directly. If they meet the criteria for further knowledge, they are offered lesson one and the exact details of what to expect.
Ball fall into some pocket by some reason. If you not understand reasons, why ball fall here , but not in another place any of your strategies will help :)
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 09:15 AM 2020Both you and Gizmo would automatically be disqualified, reason: "is self absorbed, egotistical, among others.
lol. Well Gizmo, looks like we're out of luck. I don't understand how I can be described in those terms on the basis of a few forum posts which mainly point out the facts, and my opinions about you, but never mind.
The point is, your list of virtues doesn't mean a damn thing. Anyone who wants your system can just tell you what they think you want to hear. You can't know that someone has those characteristics on the basis of a couple of email exchanges. You would never know who is buying your system - it could even be me or Gizmo, lol.
It's all part of the marketing tactic to make people think you're actually doing them a favor by letting them buy your system; they get to feel they're part of an elite club.
Of course I can't prove any of this; it's just based on your contradictions, inconsistencies and evasion when it comes to answering questions directly.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 09:15 AM 2020All of my strategies are listed in the books. There is no how to implement these strategies.
Then there's no point in listing them is there? It's just bait. Lure people into buying the book by telling them that there are strategies they will learn about, then when they discover there are none, offer them lesson one for $2000. Then if someone complains that they haven't been winning after taking lesson one, explain that there are 'advanced' techniques which you can learn, for a price of course...
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 09:15 AM 2020Both you and Gizmo would automatically be disqualified, reason: "is self absorbed, egotistical, among others.
And judging others is not narcissistic? "Follow the money." $48,000 for the keys to the kingdom. We need other people's money. Perhaps all we need is Chemo for Kimo. When I first read that you were doing a "Hemi" I almost got a hernia finger flipping my magical thinking button. In my opinion you are the best "Baloney Festival" operation on the internet.
So your ethical recipients of largess are all cleaning up on the gambling world and you are down here in the dirt with us sweathogs. That's a lot of work for a superman in a spandex suit. Thanks for the disqualification. Now I'm part of a team too.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 10:02 AM 2020lol. Well Gizmo, looks like we're out of luck.
Yes it does. It breaks my heart. It's so sad. I think I will go out in the garden and eat worms.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Mar 07, 09:47 AM 2020
Ball fall into some pocket by some reason. If you not understand reasons, why ball fall here , but not in another place any of your strategies will help :)
It's common sense. If the ball is falling on one side of the wheel 75 percent of the time. Would you not be using a strategy that accommodate that fact, perhaps A and B System listed in my book, only those who have read and studied by book would understand.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 07, 10:23 AM 2020Yes it does. It breaks my heart. It's so sad. I think I will go out in the garden and eat worms.
Gizmo, don't be sad; look what happens to those who choose the wrong Grail.
He chose... poorly. lol
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 10:02 AM 2020
lol. Well Gizmo, looks like we're out of luck. I don't understand how I can be described in those terms on the basis of a few forum posts which mainly point out the facts, and my opinions about you, but never mind.
The point is, your list of virtues doesn't mean a damn thing. Anyone who wants your system can just tell you what they think you want to hear. You can't know that someone has those characteristics on the basis of a couple of email exchanges. You would never know who is buying your system - it could even be me or Gizmo, lol.
It's all part of the marketing tactic to make people think you're actually doing them a favor by letting them buy your system; they get to feel they're part of an elite club.
Of course I can't prove any of this; it's just based on your contradictions, inconsistencies and evasion when it comes to answering questions directly.
The people who have taken my lessons are honorable people. People like you and Gizmo stick out like a sore thumb.
Even if you were to try and deceive me and pose as someone else, you would not make it through the vetting process.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 10:38 AM 2020Gizmo, don't be sad; look what happens to those who choose the wrong Grail.
That's right! Let the NAZI bitch choose for you.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 10:38 AM 2020
Gizmo, don't be sad; look what happens to those who choose the wrong Grail.
He chose... poorly. lol
The difference between the guy who chose the wrong grail and yourselves is he had the balls to make a decision. Joe you have nothing to offer. Gizmo, you give an idea for free. Yet, you have no clear process for your method. You leave your followers guessing what to do. The HG has clear and decisive process, no ambiguities.
"Not to decide is to decide."
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 10:39 AM 2020Even if you were to try and deceive me and pose as someone else, you would not make it through the vetting process.
Actually Kimo, you're wrong. Some time ago I was curious and emailed you about your system. I was duly 'vetted' and passed. You then asked me if I wanted to proceed with purchasing the system, but I declined.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 10:45 AM 2020
The difference between the guy who chose the wrong grail and yourselves is he had the balls to make a decision. Joe you have nothing to offer. Gizmo, you give an idea for free. Yet, you have no clear process for your method. You leave your followers guessing what to do. The HG has clear and decisive process, no ambiguities.
"Not to decide is to decide."
I sure do leave them guessing what to do. If they gain the skill then they will know exactly what to do when they guess. Unless anyone has detected a method to see where the ball is going to land, I mean in the exact slot, then all you have is a guess. That's all you can offer your honored elites. But that leaves out the most honorable tactic yet, you can lie to them.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 10:46 AM 2020
Actually Kimo, you're wrong. Some time ago I was curious and emailed you about your system. I was duly 'vetted' and passed. You then asked me if I wanted to proceed with purchasing the system, but I declined.
I get a lot inquires. Many are vetted the way you were. If you have met the requirements, you were offered a lesson. The fact that you declined shows that you had an apprehension. It all sorts itself out. I did not solicit you. You came to me. Your lost.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 10:46 AM 2020
Actually Kimo, you're wrong. Some time ago I was curious and emailed you about your system. I was duly 'vetted' and passed. You then asked me if I wanted to proceed with purchasing the system, but I declined.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=sf0OFZexRGs
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 07, 10:52 AM 2020
I sure do leave them guessing what to do. If they gain the skill then they will know exactly what to do when they guess. Unless anyone has detected a method to see where the ball is going to land, I mean in the exact slot, then all you have is a guess. That's all you can offer your honored elites. But that leaves out the most honorable tactic yet, you can lie to them.
You have no HG. You lie to people. Saying it's free, relieves you from taking accountability.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 10:57 AM 2020
You have no HG. You lie to people. Saying it's free, relieves you from taking accountability.
I'm tempted. I can prove it with an algorithm that would be very difficult to write. Right now it's based on programming people. Some people have it working for them. I'm in this for the long hall. You are like a bug on the windshield that gets smacked to smithereens at 80 miles per hour. People will wonder why you sold yourself short for just $46,000 or $48,000. I forget what the going rate for the official HG is. Talk to the hand. This is pointless.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Mar 07, 11:03 AM 2020
I'm tempted. I can prove it with an algorithm that would be very difficult to write. Right now it's based on programming people. Some people have it working for them. I'm in this for the long hall. You are like a bug on the windshield that gets smacked to smithereens at 80 miles per hour. People will wonder why you sold yourself short for just $46,000 or $48,000. I forget what the going rate for the official HG is. Talk to the hand. This is pointless.
Excuses, excuses, write the damm thing and prove it. Shut your critics up. Very difficult translates to not happening.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 11:07 AM 2020
Excuses, excuses, write the damm thing and prove it. Shut your critics up. Very difficult translates to not happening.
I'm not that altruistic. I want the money. I just want to earn it. Novel choice, don't you think?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 10:45 AM 2020The difference between the guy who chose the wrong grail and yourselves is he had the balls to make a decision. Joe you have nothing to offer.
So now you're trying to make the indecisive people feel bad? well I guess you need to appeal to a wide membership, lol.
The important thing is to make the right (or at least a wise) decision, not just any decision. Given that you offer no proof of your claims, those who make the decision to buy your lessons could fairly be classed as compulsive gamblers or the desperate, which ironically is a class of person you don't want in your circle.
As for me having 'nothing to offer', well no, I don't 'offer' a holy grail without proof or any kind of evidence that it works as claimed but only riddles and contradictions. But is my presence on this forum appreciated? It would seem so. Let's try to quantify it : currently I have a rating of +78 for 682 posts, or 11.4%. You have a rating of +24 for 272 posts or 8.8%. You do the maths.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 11:07 AM 2020
Excuses, excuses, write the damm thing and prove it. Shut your critics up. Very difficult translates to not happening.
You want proof but you forgot to proof your claims komoli !
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 02:39 PM 2020
But is my presence on this forum appreciated? It would seem so. Let's try to quantify it : currently I have a rating of +78 for 682 posts, or 11.4%. You have a rating of +24 for 272 posts or 8.8%. You do the maths.
And the winner for best member of the forum issss foorrr JOEEEE!!!!. :love: :ooh:
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 02:39 PM 2020
So now you're trying to make the indecisive people feel bad? well I guess you need to appeal to a wide membership, lol.
The important thing is to make the right (or at least a wise) decision, not just any decision. Given that you offer no proof of your claims, those who make the decision to buy your lessons could fairly be classed as compulsive gamblers or the desperate, which ironically is a class of person you don't want in your circle.
As for me having 'nothing to offer', well no, I don't 'offer' a holy grail without proof or any kind of evidence that it works as claimed but only riddles and contradictions. But is my presence on this forum appreciated? It would seem so. Let's try to quantify it : currently I have a rating of +78 for 682 posts, or 11.4%. You have a rating of +24 for 272 posts or 8.8%. You do the maths.
I am happy that you are well liked here. The bottom line is "if anyone snooze, they lose."
Quote from: Mister Eko on Mar 07, 02:49 PM 2020
You want proof but you forgot to proof your claims komoli !
I am not looking for proof. I am looking to see Gizmo succeed. In order to do that, he needs to program his idea. When he does that, it's no longer free.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 07, 04:29 PM 2020And the winner for best member of the forum issss foorrr JOEEEE!!!!.
I saw several real winners in casinos, but they, for sure not participate in forums... :) . All who are in forums with play have one or other problems :)
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 07, 04:38 PM 2020
I am not looking for proof. I am looking to see Gizmo succeed. In order to do that, he needs to program his idea. When he does that, it's no longer free.
If I do it I was going to publish the software as open source and show off the algorithm in X-Talk language. I would just go after the singles on the weak side characteristic. I would just have it check for the effectiveness state. It would be time consuming in a casino to just target one characteristic and to just react to the percentage of effectiveness based on a few tested best result levels. It would all be hard coded so that it was clear as a bell what is being done. Each spin would have telemetry to show what the software decided on each spin. It would blast away the notion of beating the house. It could do massively long run tests. I would even let users load their own large lists of spins to test them. In other words it would be a real test of concept. And it would all be for free. If I actually do that then the discussion on gambling would shift like a pandemic. I have other things to keep my interest but it might be fun to pick away at it for this next year.
Lots of arguing in this topic. Looks like it's something that never gonna change. I read forum topics from 10 years ago, and exactly the same thing was going on. Some guys claim to profit consistently, but they won't, or unable to prove it, so everyone else are attacking them for their outrageous claims and it leads to nowhere. ::)
I can add more fuel to the fire, and say that I believe that a mathematical HG exists and people like Dyksexlik, reddwarf, Priyanka, etc are all right. :twisted: I can't, and would probably never want to prove it that they are right, but there are many things that are not shared and discussed on the forums. Most "experienced" people think they have seen everything and everything has been tried before, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
Regarding the original post, statistical imbalances do exist. It has been proven. But of course we are unable to predict the outcomes. So there must be an other way to bet continuously without predicting what comes next. The secret lies in cycles, parallel games and stitched bets.
I don't know how to do it, but I fully believe that it is possible. So for now, I have to admit that everyone who think system players are delusional is right. ;)
Quote from: ati on Mar 07, 05:08 PM 2020I can add more fuel to the fire, and say that I believe that a mathematical HG exists and people like Dyksexlik, reddwarf, Priyanka, etc are all right.
I do not know these guys, but I have super impressive "statistical imbalance " - I met maybe 10 or more persons from different forums - all claimed that they are winners, but nobody could prove, or show when my eys looked :).
If mathematical HG exists it must be very easily detected by other mathematicians :) . I really saw several such HG, simply casinos were missed in rules, but they detected very fast that - really after a few bigger wins...So that says that such a thing cant be hidden...
The thing is, if you have a mathematical HG, the last thing you want is to share it or prove it to draw an attention to yourself. Nobody simply "deserves" or can buy a HG. It would immediately lose value, and could also ruin the game.
The reason I believe it can be hidden is because the spins are independent. So you get a perfectly normal randomness if you only play the 1st, 4th, 7th and 8th spins for example. So if you are clever enough, an observer would have no idea what you are doing.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Mar 07, 04:42 PM 2020
I saw several real winners in casinos, but they, for sure not participate in forums... :) . All who are in forums with play have one or other problems :)
Why you think that? If I will make money from roulette permanently, I will be available on roulette forums, because I like roulette forums. Those who dont post, they dont know where they are from. I know, and I did nt forget , that roueltte forums helped me a lot, thats why I will come back and help others ! And that is why your above claim is a lie,
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 07, 04:51 PM 2020
Apologises for the 2nd account. I fail to recall the password of the last one
@NB25
You shall be delivered.p
@BENEDIKTUS3
Having an intellect with limited association capacity and no intuition is not a choice, that is the way he was born.
As you have the mental competence to contextually connect std3 outside sexually transmitted diseases, or have been allocated a creative mind to rediscover or even invent structure to capture the natural flow of the properties of that energy which translates into those three colours, no matter how defect and antisocial another persons persona is, I really see no sense in shaming him for being born with that character. He and they are here in our reality for a solid reason. Be is narcissist, psychopaths and even the slyest of them all, sociopaths serve a purpose; they serve us to entirely commit to something gigantic, which is ego death. They do seduce and then trap while exploiting the advantages of the process of using everything to satisfy their attentiin whoring. But you see, all of that, ultimately, makes us realise just how vain this dust named worldly success finally is. I should know what all of those three mean, after all, I had to to survive. One is a tilt, next is biological, while the last is a choice. I chose evil, because I thought fame, money and finally power meant happiness. I genuinly did. Yet there was more than this life. And that I never permitted to embrace as a potential. Never to get a clearer grasp about eternity being the reality and this here is the testing period extremely closely knitted to either the experission of ignorance or - caring.
@Gizmo and @Joe was it?
You do not understand. Kimo is not here to get money. He is here for new friendships because in all of his fortune what he really is - just like myself - is lonely. Im lonely because I have to wear a mask based on who I encounter, called fake emotiinal connection. All three antipersonal disorders use it. And very successfully. The fact that you call out someones bullshit doesnt have impact on nothing else but that persons image, while apparently efficient, it still does not change the fact that this man is lonely. Very, very lonely.
Instead if we pity him and the current condition of all human race, we shall care for him instead of marginalize him and even if that shall indeed offer more than all the necessary room for him to snake his way in and start to sly out we shall win something way beyond our imagination in return. Namely the live of ones enemy. And that, that shall offer us A revelation which I promise you, shall make us miss a heart beat or even a few.
Because after the wheel or the markets and so forth, Im telling you all: I have encountered what Solomon and Paul were reffering to. And Im abput to show you all the way. And compared to THAT, the wheel or any power guaranteed by either many zeros or ego related real spirituality is dust in the wind.
Yet. Lets start with Gizmo and see if that world of the word altruism shall make any of you happier today. And Steve, your time has come. Your only minor error, yet never a mistake was asking for the proof from person who puts scorn at value. And its logical he does so and is naturally judged here accordingly getting all this cold shoulder. But what if he, would be the saddest of us all, reaching out to almost my own level of melancholy? What if he is here, because he knows this IS the forum where REAL geniouses are. The brightest of all minds, the most creative people possibly on the entire Earth? Now wouldnt he also, being human, should have the pleasure of socializing with people of highest possible mental strenght? Why deny him the right to be a human, as also the altes rnatives exist. Let him be around. And let me do the introduction for him, so that he shall be seen as a contributor too, not as this asshole with erectionless dick.
Stop shaming this man, I guarantee you, apart of myself he is the most miserable man on this forum. And no, not the mask he wears thats screaming scorn all over it. No. But the man inside, who, precisely like myself, never had the right to be truly loved. And why? Well thats related to the fact that almost all people over all time frames need lies to align with the biased cognitive dissonance.
But as I said, Syria will not be a small deal, as that starting to take its final form NOW, why wouldnt I share everything that was of value to me before the irreversible events started to take place from last Thursday on.
I wanna show here, how the imbalances get that equilibrium. On wheel, on life, on soul, and finally. Spiritually.
That might be exciting to those that are willing to give those systems a test drive.
And when Im finished here, where I started in the early 2000's, Im going to forget all of my life, dispatch from all my earthly possessions or assets, and have Juda' final.
Because no matter how much I/we achieved, without the Grace, absolute everything has become senseless.
All but leaving you guys on this forum this rather modest legacy to use and if considered of any additiinal value, hopefully pass along to those most dear to you in the future.
Incoming insight:
17 levels of counsciousness (linked to tsla)
Al Brooks 3 books
Triangular theory of love
Mbti
Rich dad poor dad
Joy of success
And
The russian pilgrim
But lets start with the wheel if that is suitable.
Here we go.
I see you are a very lonely person for free, and nikolas kiss can prove it easily
Quote from: ati on Mar 07, 05:51 PM 2020The thing is, if you have a mathematical HG, the last thing you want is to share it or prove it to draw an attention to yourself. Nobody simply "deserves" or can buy a HG. It would immediately lose value, and could also ruin the game.
If mathematical HG will exist, it will be found by many peoples, no need to share it and not possible to hide it...
Never think, that you are "the best" and you can find math HG and such which will not find others :)
Plus roulette is physical game, so such categories as mathematical HG - cant be in it.... Math helps only in solving physical and statistical tasks.
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 07, 06:53 PM 2020
@Ati
You are right. But theres an anomaly. When NATO goes against rus.iran.chi.
In that case scenario, you, the reciever, have made it through. You have won. And the deliverer re experiences ego death.
It is marvellous, because there so little time left, and those who could did not turn their back on you, a stranger but loved you as their own selves.
And that is almost as high as loving your enemy. Which leads directly to merge with God.
Youre at reason. Love is just one step forth.
How does this help us play roulette?
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Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 07, 07:32 PM 2020
And to the gent there enquirining incitement.
What is shit to you is shit to everyone.
But what is shit to you, is the lest from the round table of the equals.
That means, either crazy or crazy insightful. Its all in the eye of the perceiver. And that persons level of vibration.
Like holding hands. But with a pizza. But then can one hold hands while having a pizza? If yes, where was the pizza put.
Life is like art. Some have it for sale. Others finalize the painting. Others just planned what they want to paint.
I. Im the person who is in the phase of opening my eyes for the 1st time after my own birth. The last in terms of value.
Because real value.. That comes exclusively from the Upstairs.
And thats where Id like you all to go and remain.
Like watersports but with that pizza.
What you need are genuine friendships.
Start by defining your involvement in such a partnership today, so you can set the ground for it to manifest and extend upon.
Thank me later.
Cheers
@ HouseWifes,
You should probably go back to the kitchen, where you belong.
Proof that Statistical imbalance can be detected and acted upon, the video below is a 300,000 spins analyzed using bayesian inference tactics in python programming language
This strategy is all about extracting new information from the past data for even chances and feeding it to a bayes model that predicts the next value.
Skip to the end of the video to see the result, pause the video anywhere and you will see the random output the probabilities from the model, the balance at that point and the predicted value before that particular spin.
This Model gives a 0,00355 % return on investment flat betting, not exactly attractive but it's a proof that modeling uncertainty is a possibility.
link:s://youtu.be/HGXovVaEjG8
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 07, 05:14 PM 2020
xxoo
ooxx
Bet
xxoo
Or
xoxo
oxox
Bet
xoxo
Or
xooo
oxoo
ooxo
Bet
ooox
Or
xooo
oxoo
xooo
Bet
oxoo
Thats incomplete. Some patterns are not shown in your explanation.
ECs can only dispose themselves in 3 states:
1) INTERMITENCES. Just one or More than one should be observed. Example
X O X O X O X O
2) REFLECTIONS (only 1 intermitence is required, should be the case) examples ;
SYMMETRICALS (equal) reflections
XX O XX O XX O XX called noses, 1 intermitence
XX OO XX OO XX no intermitences
XXX O XXX O XXX O (3 serie) 1 intermitence
XXXX O XXXX O XXXX (4 serie) 1 intermitence
XXX OOO XXX OOO string of series conected
ASYMMTRICALS (not looking equal) reflectlions, examples:
XX O XXX O XXXX O XXX 1 intermitence
XXX O XXXX O XXX 1 intermitence
XX OOO XX OO XXX a string of series
3) ISOLATED FIGURES, requiere 2 or more intermitences between them
X O X OOO X O X (3 SERIE)
X O X XXXX O X O (4 SERIE)
X O X OOOOO X O X (5 SERIE)
6, 7, 8, ETC.
Those are the only 3 states an even chance can produce.
Most important to ponder is when you see a break-through of the rhytym, examples
XX O XX O XX O
XXXXX O
or
XX OO XX OO
XXXX OOOor
XXX OOO XXX
OOOOOOOor whatever different from previous patterns, so break-through is a change of rhythm.
These rhythms can be observed for more or less long periods of consecutive spins. Chaos is subjet to laws. One of those laws is LAW of Time producing SYMMETRY (and asymmetries, there is no perfect world ;))
If you only understand and observe this simple concepts, you are on the right track.
Have a nice Sunday.
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 07, 08:00 PM 2020
@ HouseWifes,
You should probably go back to the kitchen, where you belong.
This is the saddest and most unfortunate comment I read in this thread. Was it to celebrate the international day of women, today March 8?
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 08, 03:49 AM 2020
This is the saddest and most unfortunate comment I read in this thread. Was it to celebrate the international day of women, today March 8?
This is your second warning, Taotie.
Again, women are for reproduction only.
(And if women dont have a sense of humor, stiff shit. Aussie women usually do, and give the same shit back to men. And we dont go crying)
I was kidding of course.
Women also cook.
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 07, 10:31 PM 2020This Model gives a 0,00355 % return on investment flat betting, not exactly attractive but it's a proof that modeling uncertainty is a possibility.
If you do a hypothesis test you'll find that the result isn't statistically significant, and no statistical model, Bayesian or otherwise, can predict outcomes in independent trials from past results. That's what 'independence' means.
Coronavirus come to the forum :)
Housewifes, what the f*ck are you talking about?
You are speaking in riddles. If you have a genuine message to convey, speak in terms people understand and dont need to decode.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 08, 04:50 AM 2020
If you do a hypothesis test you'll find that the result isn't statistically significant, and no statistical model, Bayesian or otherwise, can predict outcomes in independent trials from past results. That's what 'independence' means.
Independence doesn't mean you can't play and win using the right strategy.
This Model gives 30% return on investment, way beyond statistical significance.
(link:s://i.ibb.co/HgcZ7qR/IMG-20200308-221007.png)
THE end if the be beginning
link:s://youtu.be/o0W91FrTlYk
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 08, 07:30 PM 2020
THE end if the beginning?
It is if you are unForgiven
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw
Kimo i havent had time to respond to everything you said. I wont. I already looked into your claims and approaches more than was needed. I hoped you had at least something to offer, but didn't look into your strategies and claims much until now.
Sorry its clear you're not an honest person, and anyone who uses your methods will eventually lose, like with typical losing systems. You still have some gullible and inexperienced fools following you. They'll learn eventually.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 02:55 AM 2020Sorry its clear you're not an honest person, and anyone who uses your methods will eventually lose, like with typical losing systems. You still have some gullible and inexperienced fools following you. They'll learn eventually.
It is clear you dont know Kimo. If you did you would know he is as honest as the most honest person you can meet.
He was honest enough to write a book to make people aware that every pocket in the wheel has its characteristics. He gave the tools and hinted matrices to track what's going on the the wheel.
It is visual balistic but not in the way you know it. Do you crtiticy him because is not a gullible and an inexperienced fool to give away for nothing a winning method? Why after so much time and effort employed to make his findings would he give others the money printing machine? It would be stupid, and dishonest towards those who had to make the road on their own or paid for it if it were the case.
It is clear you dont believe him but that doesn make him dishonest.
Quote from: Kali49 on Mar 08, 05:25 PM 2020This Model gives 30% return on investment, way beyond statistical significance.
Congrats, then. Looks like you have a grail. I'd like to hear from someone on this forum who doesn't have one. ;D ::)
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 02:55 AM 2020You still have some gullible and inexperienced fools following you. They'll learn eventually.
I suggested to Kimo that he get his system coded and set up a web site where users can input spins and it will tell you what to bet. That is the only foolproof way of proving that a system works, and at the same time the author can protect his intellectually property and also get a passive income. Everyone's a winner. He could hire a programmer to do the work, however his excuse for not wanting to do it was that he's not good with computers. Is that a credible reason? ;)
Quote from: Steve on Mar 08, 02:07 PM 2020
Housewifes, what the f*ck are you talking about?
You are speaking in riddles. If you have a genuine message to convey, speak in terms people understand and dont need to decode.
Yes, or go back to the kitchen where you belong.
Oink, oink. Bitches be bitches.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 09, 04:36 AM 2020
I suggested to Kimo that he get his system coded and set up a web site where users can input spins and it will tell you what to bet.
Systems with stiff rules not taking into account changing targets are prone to failure. No way his playing method can be coded. it is perfectly defined why, what, when and how to play but it relays on tracking previous spins to assess rhythms, simmetries, sincronicites. Observing which events over others are being most favored and how are they disposing themselves in time (frecuency) and space (secuency).
carvigno, Kimo said his method is perfectly mechanical and unambiguous, therefore it can be coded. What is the difference between a rule and a 'stiff' rule?
If any person can use his system by tracking previous spins to assess rhythms etc then a computer can be programmed to do the same thing, no problem.
And If his method can't be coded it would mean that it's subjective, which is rather convenient, don't you think? It would mean that there is no 'right' way to pick your bets, and someone who didn't win using the method could be told they didn't have the necessary skill, and it wasn't the method's fault, but theirs. ;)
Carvigno, you said too many incorrect things to correct. You're going to eventually learn better, but nothing i or anyone can say or present you with will probably hasten that. You'll just need to learn for yourself.
And im not saying I'm better than you. But we are at very different levels of understanding.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 02:55 AM 2020
Kimo i havent had time to respond to everything you said. I wont. I already looked into your claims and approaches more than was needed. I hoped you had at least something to offer, but didn't look into your strategies and claims much until now.
Sorry its clear you're not an honest person, and anyone who uses your methods will eventually lose, like with typical losing systems. You still have some gullible and inexperienced fools following you. They'll learn eventually.
"anyone who uses your methods will eventually lose, like with typical losing systems."
How can you make that statement?
You don't even know my methods. Please stop your lies. You sound like the media, creating "Fake News."
I do not discredit your work. I don't know enough about your work to comment or critique. I do question your character when you post lies about someone.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 06:26 AM 2020
But we are at very different levels of understanding.
Absolutely. For once we agree.
You should read this article. It's food for the mind. I'm good at increasing probabilities as in the article is explained :thumbsup:.
link:s://statisticsbyjim.com/fun/probability-theory-helps-find-more-four-leaf-clovers/
Quote from: Clf7 on Mar 09, 04:27 PM 2020
Steve ban this piece of sh*t!! He is spamming all the threads and Forum.
Why? She writes like a boss 8)
I removed all of member "HOUSEWIFES" spammy crap, and he's on moderation.
Housewifes imbalanced this thread.
I'll bet within the next three posts one will be her. :)
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 05:33 PM 2020
I removed all of member "HOUSEWIFES" spammy crap, and he's on moderation.
Thank You.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 09, 07:05 AM 2020
"anyone who uses your methods will eventually lose, like with typical losing systems."
How can you make that statement?
You don't even know my methods. Please stop your lies. You sound like the media, creating "Fake News."
Kimo,your statements explain enough about your methods. Your statements contradict everything I and every educated expert in the industry says. So tell me again, who's making bold statements?
You aren't arguing with me. you're arguing against basic logic and math, which you clearly dont understand.
You're not a roulette expert. You're a manipulator, and not a particularly skilled one because your backwards logic is easily pulled apart by anyone with basic understanding. So you prey on uneducated people like Carvigno who are yet to learn.
You haven't produced a single shred of proof to validate your claims. You ask people to buy based on blind faith, and you say if people don't buy without proof, it's their loss, they vetted themselves, and it's part of your in-built vetting process. Only allowing buying without proof is a good way for vetting people with a brain.
Like Joe said, your vetting procedure is more to ensure the only people who buy are gullible and stupid. It would make them easier to manipulate later so they dont cause trouble.
QuoteI do not discredit your work. I don't know enough about your work to comment or critique. I do question your character when you post lies about someone.
What kind of expert doesnt know about advantage play like VB?
What kind of expert doesn't understand sustained winning is impossible with random bets?
Again you haven't shown a single shred of proof of your claims. Everything you've presented contradicts common sense, basic logic, math, and fundamental truth every expert knows.
Until I see something that actually supports your claims, why would I believe anything other than you're running a scam?
Or should I be like one of your "vetted" purchasers and buy based on:
1. Blind faith, and
2. So-called proof which is vague claims that go against all logic and common knowledge.
In the end, you cant beat roulette consistently with random bets - it's impossible. You said yourself your bet accuracy is random. That means your payouts are still below odds. How people like Carvigno dont get it is a mystery.
Everything you say is backwards. To explain it, this sums up what you say:
"Only I know the secret. I wont tell the secret. You only get the secret after paying me a fortune. You dont get any proof before sending money. If you dont send money without proof, you have vetted yourself, as I planned."
Come on Kimo. You'd have to be a real moron to send money with those conditions. And I bet you're counting on it.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 05:56 PM 2020
Kimo,your statements explain enough about your methods. Your statements contradict everything I and every educated expert in the industry says. So tell me again, who's making bold statements?
You aren't arguing with me. you're arguing against basic logic and math, which you clearly dont understand.
You're not a roulette expert. You're a manipulator, and not a particularly skilled one because your backwards logic is easily pulled apart by anyone with basic understanding. So you prey on uneducated people like Carvigno who are yet to learn.
You haven't produced a single shred of proof to validate your claims. You ask people to buy based on blind faith, and you say if people don't buy without proof, it's their loss, they vetted themselves, and it's part of your in-built vetting process. Only allowing buying without proof is a good way for vetting people with a brain.
Like Joe said, your vetting procedure is more to ensure the only people who buy are gullible and stupid. It would make them easier to manipulate later so they dont cause trouble.
What kind of expert doesnt know about advantage play like VB?
What kind of expert doesn't understand sustained winning is impossible with random bets?
Again you haven't shown a single shred of proof of your claims. Everything you've presented contradicts common sense, basic logic, math, and fundamental truth every expert knows.
Until I see something that actually supports your claims, why would I believe anything other than you're running a scam?
Or should I be like one of your "vetted" purchasers and buy based on:
1. Blind faith, and
2. So-called proof which is vague claims that go against all logic and common knowledge.
In the end, you cant beat roulette consistently with random bets - it's impossible. You said yourself your bet accuracy is random. That means your payouts are still below odds. How people like Carvigno dont get it is a mystery.
Everything you say is backwards. To explain it, this sums up what you say:
"Only I know the secret. I wont tell the secret. You only get the secret after paying me a fortune. You dont get any proof before sending money. If you dont send money without proof, you have vetted yourself, as I planned."
Come on Kimo. You'd have to be a real moron to send money with those conditions. And I bet you're counting on it.
You are right. I am defying the mathematical institution. My method does not apply to the math world. That does not make my approach wrong, different, but not wrong.
I don't buy into the visual ballistics and AP. My approach does not employ complicated analysis. It stands up the the HG principle of being simple, no major math calculations, or time consuming tracking cards, although may be used by beginners.
You simply walk up to the tables, do a few simple calculations in the head and start betting. An expert does not mean you have to know everything about roulette. An expert, in my case, means I do something extremely well, without the clutter of other peoples ideas.
Plain and simple. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 09, 07:52 PM 2020You are right. I am defying the mathematical institution.
Who gives a f*ck about any "institution". Math and logic is not an "institution".
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 09, 07:52 PM 2020That does not make my approach wrong, different, but not wrong.
By definition, yes it does. You're arguing 1+1=3.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 09, 07:52 PM 2020I don't buy into the visual ballistics and AP
Because you have no experience with it. Although in your recent post you said:
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 08, 08:54 PM 2020
I too incorporate in a few of my strategies visual ballistics, probably not in the way you do, still, using ball movement logistics.
You're all over the place Kimo. Your logic and claims are very messy and full of holes.
Basically by your own admission, your bet accuracy is random. This literally means your bet selection CHANGES NOTHING. You still win at the expected rate, which is the same as someone making random bets.
I'll try not to waste more time on this bullshit. There are lots of self-professed gurus around peddling bullshit, because there are enough stupid people around to buy it.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 08:01 PM 2020
Who gives a f*ck about any "institution". Math and logic is not an "institution".
By definition, yes it does. You're arguing 1+1=3.
Because you have no experience with it. Although in your recent post you said:
You're all over the place Kimo. Your logic and claims are very messy and full of holes.
Basically by your own admission, your bet accuracy is random. This literally means your bet selection CHANGES NOTHING. You still win at the expected rate, which is the same as someone making random bets.
I'll try not to waste more time on this bullshit. There are lots of self-professed gurus around peddling bullshit, because there are enough stupid people around to buy it.
You are upset because it does not fit into your way of thinking. I understand. I have not given you any information that would support my claim, with good reason. You would exploit it. You are a businessman, enough said.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 09, 08:07 PM 2020You are upset because it does not fit into your way of thinking
I'm upset? No, I'm just intolerant of bullshit. When I see it, I call it.
If I was ever proven to be wrong, I would gladly admit and announce it. Because it would mean I learned and progressed. I do not hold onto any belief. My only loyalty is to the truth. Because if I hold a false belief, I'm only harming myself.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 09, 08:07 PM 2020I have not given you any information that would support my claim, with good reason. You would exploit it. You are a businessman, enough said.
Kimo, if I believed you had anything of value, I would buy it. Don't give me that bullshit that your vetting process would eliminate me. I could easily pretend to be someone else to buy. So could any casino.
I've wasted time on you because you do harm to people, albeit only the uneducated ones - who perhaps do their own damage to themselves. Like with Falkor's flat earth garbage, I approached you with an open mind, but was disappointed to see you spew garbage.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 08:34 PM 2020
I'm upset? No, I'm just intolerant of bullshit. When I see it, I call it.
If I was ever proven to be wrong, I would gladly admit and announce it. Because it would mean I learned and progressed. I do not hold onto any belief. My only loyalty is to the truth. Because if I hold a false belief, I'm only harming myself.
Kimo, if I believed you had anything of value, I would buy it. Don't give me that bullshit that your vetting process would eliminate me. I could easily pretend to be someone else to buy. So could any casino.
I've wasted time on you because you do harm to people, albeit only the uneducated ones - who perhaps do their own damage to themselves. Like with Falkor's flat earth garbage, I approached you with an open mind, but was disappointed to see you spew garbage.
There is no need for you to take any lessons from me, because you believe I spew garbage.
Lesson learned.
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 09, 09:34 PM 2020Steve has a lousy sense of humor
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Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 09, 09:34 PM 2020he has dignity and prestige
Aww shucks. I'm not sure if you'd call it that though.
I'm a nice guy. And honest. But intolerant of bullshit.
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 09, 09:34 PM 2020And I hope that someday, he will consider both your methods and also my testimony. As both change lives.
I did consider it. And like I said, not a single thing he said substantiated his claims. It was the opposite.
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 09, 09:34 PM 2020And Steve. Im a she. Female mate. A woman.
I don't care if you have a vagina or a penis - or both. Both would be convenient if someone didn't like you, and told you what you could do to yourself.
But I do care you spammed the forum with dribble. You knew it would annoy people. Many members complained. It would have been ok if you kept it to your own thread. Some thread derailment is ok, but not spamming.
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 09, 09:34 PM 2020Apologises for any previous triggering.
Bro, what triggers me most are lies, ignorance and stupid people. Insults don't trigger me.
Housewifes, you said you couldnt access your original account. What account name was it, and what forum?
Quote from: HouseWifes on Mar 09, 09:34 PM 2020And Steve. Im a she. Female mate. A woman.
Oh gawd, who let you out of the kitchen again? I think I smell the roast burning....F*ck woman you're going to ruin the man's dinner!
Dont give everyone the wrong idea about aussies.
We love our slappers.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 09, 11:41 PM 2020
I did consider it. And like I said, not a single thing he said substantiated his claims. It was the opposite.
...
But I do care you spammed the forum with dribble. You knew it would annoy people. Many members complained
Bro, what triggers me most are lies, ignorance and stupid people. Insults don't trigger me.
....no disrespect intended here as I do identify with what you are doing - point being:
....not all of it was dribble
....even what Carlos/Kimo have briefly shared - you Joe and co have missed the essence of the msg ....no - not mumbojumbo
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 04:56 PM 2020
"everything leaves a print"
Yes, it does. But if the print was an animal paw in the dirt, a typical losing player thinks the print is from an ink jet printer. He's got no clue.
....so where does that quantify/qualify you or the so called tunneled V math experts on this forum
....not looking for redress or anything of such - again, pointing out - there is something in there that has been posted/postulated and seems many on here have clearly missed (or denying for alterior plays) - not interested in challenging anybodys "Alpha" status of knowledge/experience/etc - as am clear on my position
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth" MA
-best-
Those of you who clung to math to discredit a way to win you are left without many options:,
Option 1- Quit (understandable)
Option 2- Hang on to the forum for the sake of boredomn (just like watching tv, it is an option)
Option 3- Buy gadgets from Steve and have a try with them (good luck with casino security)
Option 4- Think out of the box, buy Kimo Li' s book (affordable), learn it by heart and with that knowledge try to develop a strategy to beat a RNG device. (perhaps Kimo is not so mistaken)
Randomness is not deceptive. Most of us cannot understand its true behavior. Trough math you are not going to crack it. Wrong way to face the challenge.
@Steve What do you know about me to claim I'm an uneducated guy?
At least too much guessing. Or random thoughts?
Just one last thing. When two people are talking different languages and they cant make themselves understand, one could be tempted to say the other is blabbering some nonsense.
Katalyst, show me kimo's best point that validated his theory. Be very specific.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 10, 02:28 AM 2020Those of you who clung to math to discredit a way to win you are left without many options:,
You mean clung to provable reality.
Option 5, try something NEW.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 10, 02:28 AM 2020@Steve What do you know about me to claim I'm an uneducated guy?
At least too much guessing. Or random thoughts?
Because you say things that demonstrate poor understanding.
Quote from: carvigno on Mar 10, 02:28 AM 2020Just one last thing. When two people are talking different languages and they cant make themselves understand, one could be tempted to say the other is blabbering some nonsense.
Sure. But i understand what's being said. Problem is you don't.
Time will tell who laughs last.
I'm writing this and grinning.
As you can see i can do two things at the same time.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 10, 02:41 AM 2020Option 5, try something NEW.
Yes go play poker. It seems it is much easier. There you can apply your math with great success.
By the way, Im poker player and not a bad one. Constantly I'm studying the game. You know "perfect practice makes perfect"
Carvingo, youve got no idea how many people like you ive come accross, who eventually finally understand, and say I was right. And they were so convinced before.
It's not about being right though.
Playing poker is like slicing your wrists open then jumping into a frenzied feeding school of piranha fish. You might get out with your life but you sure as shit gonna get bit.
Again: Housewifes, you said you couldnt access your original account. What account name was it, and what forum?
You're speaking more shit I wont approve just yet. Pending your response. I think you're just here to troll.
Steve, you must understand, that in forums are plenty of persons who have one aim - just to troll. I do not want to go to details, but for example in Russia was detected several times groups of accounts/persons who done that job and even got money from online casinos...
Sometimes they even organized dos attacks against forums...
kimo li you are a perfect son of a bitch. a human trash that only wants to do business selling books. I am a professional player, I have other methods than yours and I also made a book to help my neighbors win. my enemy is the casino, not the players, who I want to get the money from is the casinos, not the colleagues. Whoever wants my book who asks for it privately, I will give it to them for free, that is, it is written in Spanish, you must translate it. And if you are disciplined you will be winners. This pig from kimo li just makes you dizzy with riddles. it is a pig that does not share anything with its neighbors. YOU ARE GARBAGE KIMO
Everything ok? Bit of a random statement
Tonino, what's up bro?
Quote from: TONINO on Oct 14, 06:05 AM 2020
kimo li you are a perfect son of a bitch. a human trash that only wants to do business selling books. I am a professional player, I have other methods than yours and I also made a book to help my neighbors win. my enemy is the casino, not the players, who I want to get the money from is the casinos, not the colleagues. Whoever wants my book who asks for it privately, I will give it to them for free, that is, it is written in Spanish, you must translate it. And if you are disciplined you will be winners. This pig from kimo li just makes you dizzy with riddles. it is a pig that does not share anything with its neighbors. YOU ARE GARBAGE KIMO
How can you speak about someone who you never met? If you have a successful way of playing why do you care about Kimo Li work?
There is plenty & I mean plenty of info on how to use his ideas on the fourms.
Today at my local casino! I played number position 1-6/ sixpack position.
Made profit and went home. American roulette & it is in the book .
Who the hell knows how that pig plays? He only dedicates himself to making people dizzy with riddles and to making them curious to buy his books (in which he does not explain his ways of playing) which I do in my book. That kimo is a fucking scammer son of a bitch. I do not like the people that in this forum. we are here to share and help each other, not to do business at the expense of others. My knowledge always helped me to defeat the casino, and I did not acquire the knowledge to sell it to others, I acquired it to profit myself in the casinos. so don't trust that son of a bitch kimo when he says he doesn't give anything for free. So kimo your supposed knowledge was to sell it to others? not for use against casinos. If you have done so well in the casinos that you need to sell it to people CHANNEL SCAMMER. YOUR FUCKING PIG MOTHER IS GOING TO PAY YOU! WE DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR YOUR SHIT. PARTNERS WILL CHECK HOW THEY ALSO WIN WITH MY FREE KNOWLEDGE AND CAN BE GAME PROFESSIONALS.
Well, explain to your teammates the "wonderful" kimo system that makes you win. Don't explain anything to me, I don't need anything from that pig to make a living from roulette. But you who defend him should explain to his teammates what his way of playing consists of. we are here to help us right? the enemy is the casino.
Still a bit of a mad rant..
Did you buy his courses and it didn’t work?
just create a mediafire account or something similar and upload your book and share a download link..
To buy a junk for 37.37$ :lol:
Quote from: TONINO on Oct 15, 06:17 AM 2020
Well, explain to your teammates the "wonderful" kimo system that makes you win. Don't explain anything to me, I don't need anything from that pig to make a living from roulette. But you who defend him should explain to his teammates what his way of playing consists of. we are here to help us right? the enemy is the casino.
Lord why are you mad?
If your not LAZY go back through my message & find the Pinwheel post.
It has all the instructions on how to play it. Kimo Li wrote that post. I found it & repost it.
Quote from: number25 on Oct 15, 09:36 AM 2020
Lord why are you mad?
If your not LAZY go back through my message & find the Pinwheel post.
It has all the instructions on how to play it. Kimo Li wrote that post. I found it & repost it.
and it won't get around the law of large numbers. Sorry.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Oct 15, 08:08 AM 2020
To buy a junk for 37.37$ :lol:
I thought it was for free?
It is not free, he want 37.37$ for his junk.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Oct 15, 12:01 PM 2020
It is not free, he want 37.37$ for his junk.
:o
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 15, 10:33 AM 2020
and it won't get around the law of large numbers. Sorry.
Thanks, Kimo Li shared how to play PW that was a great amount of info for FREE! I play all different ways , but I use Kimo Li method to play. I like to bet 12 numbers or less. Small risk for high reward. That statement OPEN UP YOUR MIND! Kimo Li just figured out how to beat roulette. Think outside the box. LOL!
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 15, 10:33 AM 2020
and it won't get around the law of large numbers. Sorry.
GAMBLERS have to ignore the math.
There is no need for fanciful and sophisticated repackaging of roulette numbers to win. This won't change a thing. They only serve as glitzy marketing tool to sell products.
Random spins are independent and unbiased. There's the extra zero pocket, unfair payout and table limits. Nobody can change this fact.
By this it means there's no imbalance, no trend and the variance is unlimited. Trend following, mean reversion, statistical counts, hot cold numbers, bla, bla, bla...... dont work. Figment of the
GAMBLER's imagination. Borne out of gambling addiction. Quick, easy money. 💰💰💰
Read my thread.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=27425.0
Dyksexlic, Vaddi, Priyanka, Reddwarf.
They all claimed to beat roulette using one or another form of maths.
Unless they personally admit that they were wrong, there will always be an element on this forum that believe that roulette can be beaten.
Quote from: cht on Oct 16, 12:34 AM 2020Read my thread.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=27425.0
No, thanks. But would love to know why you keep pointing people to your threads.
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 16, 10:51 AM 2020
But would love to know why you keep pointing people to your threads.
People still continue to make mistakes with the math. Steve is right to call them uneducated. 👌
Quote from: cht on Oct 16, 12:46 PM 2020
People still continue to make mistakes with the math. Steve is right to call them uneducated. 👌
Education is great and I'm all for it but what's the promise of your thread? If it's just educational, fine, but to most will still be a waste of time and energy and will not improve their results.
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 16, 01:14 PM 2020
Education is great and I'm all for it but what's the promise of your thread? If it's just educational, fine, but to most will still be a waste of time and energy and will not improve their results.
My thread states unambiguously and clearly the math of roulette.
At the minimum people have to get the math correct. Without that it's all nonsensical superstitious opinion.
The starting point to improvement is to get the basic math correct. Yet even with my education math base thread people continue to make simple mistakes on forum.
Is there any chance for improvement if people ignore the math ? 🤔
No hope at all.
I improved leaps and bounds when I made the decision to educate myself. I recognise mistakes and ignorance immediately.
What about you?
I’m a simple caveman but I do enjoy learning new things.
Quote from: cht on Oct 16, 01:21 PM 2020I made my last post today - 190920
Another broken promise. Can't believe anything these days.
Quote from: Ross on Oct 16, 03:59 PM 2020
Another broken promise. Can't believe anything these days.
Ross, what's your contribution to this thread/forum?
I for one enjoy cht's posts and surely am not the only one. Look at it this way: even if it's all smoke and mirrors(which i seriously doubt), at least you read a couple of physics articles and have improved your knowledge.
Cht, don't mind the naysayers, they come and go, like waves breaking on the shore. Continue sharing your ideas
Quote from: CarpeDiem on Oct 16, 04:17 PM 2020Ross, what's your contribution to this thread/forum?
Search members for Ross and click on posts to see.
Quote from: Ross on Oct 16, 03:59 PM 2020
Another broken promise. Can't believe anything these days.
I will continue to post math and science based posts on forum when I have the time. Only
GAMBLERS are irked by factual posts. People like you will not stop factual posts aimed at improving the education. This is the
ONLY path for systems bettors.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Feb 23, 04:41 PM 2020
Yes my advanced students have the hg. It's called Fingerprint, an approach designed to decipher any stream of numbers.
For me, it's not about the money. It's about vetting the individual to join a tight group of individual wolves. 36,000.00 opens the door to a lifestyle.
coughbullshit
cough
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 05:50 PM 2020
Kimo, so the hg is $36k, is that right?
Are any of your students in forums who are earning $500k/year, pr similarly large amounts, who can support your claims?
There are people who paid $2k for lesson#1.
These guys don't even understand the material they received. This is real story that happened - paid for cryptic material.
More lesson material to explain earlier lessons require more payment. That's the lure.
These people who paid the $2k wasted their money. Money they can ill afford.
Steve, this is a definite scam.
Steal money from desperate people.
Tell us Kimo, how much have you stolen?
Quote from: Joe on Feb 24, 03:37 AM 2020
Exactly. Of course I would expect to pay a large sum for the HG, but before doing so I would expect some pretty good evidence that the system works as claimed. Kimo is offering none and asks us to buy on 'a leap of faith'. Handing over 26k based on his word alone is a pretty big leap. It's not as though he couldn't provide the proof if he wanted to; the fact that he chooses not to speaks volumes.
Large is relative. Me personally 5-10 mil or so. For people on here 1k. It's the forever tango of the hustler and the wishful thinkers. Give them an offer they can't refuse.
I'm actually surprised that some notables on here took the bait.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 01:51 AM 2020
Large is relative. Me personally 5-10 mil or so. For people on here 1k. It's the forever tango of the hustler and the wishful thinkers. Give them an offer they can't refuse.
I'm actually surprised that some notables on here took the bait.
This is theoretically wrong.
Most people who don't understand statistics get this wrong.
Joe, pls explain the statistics math.
I understand but I can't explain it properly.
Other than post the relevant videos on this topic.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 24, 03:49 AM 2020
Not only doesnt he provide proof. There are some serious red flags and contradictions.
Also I haven't seen even one thing that supports his claims.
Methinks you should entertain the probable notion that he's most likely a hustler? Shouldn't let a (relatively) cheap offer cloud your judgment.
Quote from: cht on Oct 26, 02:00 AM 2020
This is theoretically wrong.
Most people who don't understand statistics get this wrong.
Joe, pls explain the statistics math.
I understand but I can't explain it properly.
Other than post the relevant videos on this topic.
Wha?!! The chasm is of the desperate gambler looking for a hail mary but usually has a few grand or so to part with ends up dealing with the devil who sees a grift in his sight and gives the player an offer they can't refuse: the "real McCoy" for aforementioned few grand.
It's the perpetual song and dance between the hustler and the wishful thinker. To them a few k is a lot of money already and they'll convince themselves that said hustler is really a nice chum doing you a solid.
But in reality, the market value of said real McCoy is out of their means for good reason that one can ponder on if they can come to their senses. Got it?
Quote from: cht on Oct 26, 02:00 AM 2020
This is theoretically wrong.
Most people who don't understand statistics get this wrong.
Joe, pls explain the statistics math.
I understand but I can't explain it properly.
Other than post the relevant videos on this topic.
Watch this video for a good explanation about the math.
That's why it's important to learn the math instead of simply quoting the usual millions of spins that you read on forums.
link:s://youtu.be/VK-rnA3-41c
Joe posted the calculator here.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=27403.msg244405#msg244405
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 01:51 AM 2020
Large is relative. Me personally 5-10 mil or so. For people on here 1k. It's the forever tango of the hustler and the wishful thinkers. Give them an offer they can't refuse.
I'm actually surprised that some notables on here took the bait.
I misread your post, my fault. You meant pay $5-10million.
If you're the seller, you have this $5-10mil in your head.
When you're the buyer you demand it for free, you lying scammer. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Oct 26, 08:20 AM 2020
I misread your post, my fault. You meant pay $5-10million.
If you're the seller, you have this $5-10mil in your head.
When you're the buyer you demand it for free, you lying scammer. :thumbsup:
Thank you. It's bizarre. So if they say... 50 bucks, they're clearly a hustler/scammer.
BUT, inexplicably, if they say it's free(!), then the dynamic changes completely. Ex: "Oh, this guy could be the real deal, folks."
We need a Freudian or Yungian expert or Steve on here to figure this one out:
Why do folks believe a seller has the real McCoy all of a sudden when he offers it for free but when the very same seller offers it for 50 bucks instead they completely switch stance and thinks he's just a hustler/scammer?
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 11:22 AM 2020
Why do folks believe a seller has the real McCoy all of a sudden when he offers it for free but when the very same seller offers it for 50 bucks instead they completely switch stance and thinks he's just a hustler/scammer?
50 bucks for the hg?
You're kidding.
I've got lots of 50 bucks hg.
Shall I put these hard work tits up hg for sale?😂
Anyway, tired of hg talk.
There's no hg out there. None.
There're only 2 kinds of people,
Desperate people.
Naive, stupid and greedy folks.
AP or RC is your HG.
Says Joe. 😂
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 11:22 AM 2020
Thank you. It's bizarre. So if they say... 50 bucks, they're clearly a hustler/scammer.
BUT, inexplicably, if they say it's free(!), then the dynamic changes completely. Ex: "Oh, this guy could be the real deal, folks."
We need a Freudian or Yungian expert or Steve on here to figure this one out:
Why do folks believe a seller has the real McCoy all of a sudden when he offers it for free but when the very same seller offers it for 50 bucks instead they completely switch stance and thinks he's just a hustler/scammer?
Kimo has the real McCoy. He's banked the money.🤑🤑🤑
We're too dumb, admit it.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 02:28 AM 2020
But in reality, the market value of said real McCoy is out of their means for good reason that one can ponder on if they can come to their senses. Got it?
You believe this McCoy exist?
That's crap you believe.
There 80k Steve's RC, go get it tiger. 😂
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 11:22 AM 2020Why do folks believe a seller has the real McCoy all of a sudden when he offers it for free but when the very same seller offers it for 50 bucks instead they completely switch stance and thinks he's just a hustler/scammer?
Because some people are simple minded sheep.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 02:28 AM 2020the market value of said real McCoy is out of their means
Not to a rich person who can make the money back.
Quote from: cht on Oct 26, 12:05 PM 2020
You believe this McCoy exist?
That's crap you believe.
There 80k Steve's RC, go get it tiger. 😂
I can't put a finger on you. You're a slippery one.
Quote from: Mean on Oct 26, 02:29 PM 2020
Not to a rich person who can make the money back.
Ding ding ding ding ding.
Quote from: Mean on Oct 26, 02:29 PM 2020
Not to a rich person who can make the money back.
A rich person gambles to lose millions for the fun of it.
The money launderer uses the casino to wash his dirty millions.
Rich person don't do stupid hard work in casino to make his millions.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 26, 03:06 PM 2020
I can't put a finger on you. You're a slippery one.
No chance to sell your HG for 5-10mil even if its real.
That's why Steve the smart one sells his RC for 80k to not rich, desperate and hate/lose his job middle class folks.
Ruthless Kimo sells to poor folks who borrowed to pay the 2k for useless lessons.
The hg is the ability to sell.
Like I said, you and I are the dumb ones who can't sell nothing even for a buck.
Give credit to Steve, Kimo and others. They're the genius. 👏👏👏
Quote from: cht on Oct 26, 08:23 PM 2020
No chance to sell your HG for 5-10mil even if its real.
That's why Steve the smart one sells his RC for 80k to not rich, desperate and hate/lose his job middle class folks.
Ruthless Kimo sells to poor folks who borrowed to pay the 2k for useless lessons.
The hg is the ability to sell.
Like I said, you and I are the dumb ones who can't sell nothing even for a buck.
Give credit to Steve, Kimo and others. They're the genius. 👏👏👏
No worries. In fact, I would advise folks to avoid the hustlers and give Steve's VB and RC serious considerations. Lili just threw 17k down the hatch. Tough pill to swallow.
She/he has/had the means for one of Steve's lower tier RC's.
I mean, like you said, there is no real McCoy. Right?
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 27, 12:12 AM 2020
No worries. In fact, I would advise folks to avoid the hustlers and give Steve's VB and RC serious considerations. Lili just threw 17k down the hatch. Tough pill to swallow.
She/he has/had the means for one of Steve's lower tier RC's.
I mean, like you said, there is no real McCoy. Right?
Lili pm me for help with bacarrat.
I wrote the posts about bacarrat on this forum years ago.
It took many years of research.
I have not loss with that system.
***I have not tested with large sample size because I can't code excel for testing bacarrat.If you study the system carefully, the huge downside is it's difficult to play because you have to do a lot of work manual tracking the shoes. I gave up after playing it for a few months.
If you are willing to do the tedious, difficult job then you can play it.
It's posted on this forum for FREE.
My reply to you Lili.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 27, 12:12 AM 2020
No worries. In fact, I would advise folks to avoid the hustlers and give Steve's VB and RC serious considerations. Lili just threw 17k down the hatch. Tough pill to swallow.
She/he has/had the means for one of Steve's lower tier RC's.
I mean, like you said, there is no real McCoy. Right?
I frequent b&m high roller rooms to know that there are
plenty of whales who loss upward of $10k per bet.
Losing $1k per bet is normal in high roller room.
Public casino on manual tables, losing $100 per bet is normal.
If Lili don't stop she can easily lose $100k, mark my words.
About your question in bold,
it takes a dumb, dolt, idiot to write there's a real McCoy out there on forum.
Or he's a scammer.
So why keep posting about this shit McCoy ?
Advantage play and roulette computers supposedly make calculations based on physical variables to place bets with higher accuracy on identified pockets.
If system players place bets without any math and/or science basis then it's simply guessing.
Quote from: cht on Oct 26, 08:08 PM 2020A rich person gambles to lose millions for the fun of it.
In casinos, yes. Rich, intelligent people who approach gambling from the outside look for ways to get a positive expected value.
Quote from: cht on Oct 26, 08:08 PM 2020Rich person don't do stupid hard work in casino to make his millions.
If they have a positive E.V. they will use a casino depending on how easy/difficult it is to achieve the edge. Most rich people work their asses off like everybody else to get where they are.
Quote from: cht on Oct 27, 01:02 AM 2020it takes a dumb, dolt, idiot to write there's a real McCoy out there on forum.
Not really. It is easy to find rich people, like going to a casino. These people aren't fearful, although one could kidnap and rob them.
Online you can remain anonymous for the most part.
Quote from: cht on Oct 27, 03:46 AM 2020If system players place bets without any math and/or science basis then it's simply guessing.
Is it guessing if you use precog w/system to determine if you should bet or not?
Quote from: cht on Oct 27, 01:02 AM 2020
I frequent b&m high roller rooms to know that there are plenty of whales who loss upward of $10k per bet.
Losing $1k per bet is normal in high roller room.
Public casino on manual tables, losing $100 per bet is normal.
If Lili don't stop she can easily lose $100k, mark my words.
About your question in bold,
it takes a dumb, dolt, idiot to write there's a real McCoy out there on forum.
Or he's a scammer.
So why keep posting about this shit McCoy ?
See that's the thing. That's why I keep asking you about your foot.
Quote from: cht on Oct 27, 01:02 AM 2020I frequent b&m high roller rooms to know that there are plenty of whales who loss upward of $10k per bet.
Losing $1k per bet is normal in high roller room.
I found a holy grail right there. Open up a casino!