Do you need a high IQ to know that roulette can not be beaten using systems, which do not increase the accuracy of the prediction?
I can understand playing roulette for fun. I also think some people are desperate for money so are willing to try anything, which I can still have empathy for.
But I fail to comprehend those that are convinced that spins are not independent of each other. And the forum is full of them. Even as a hobby, it has to be one of the strangest hobbies. They are literally trying to make 1+ 1 = 3.
Clearly all these people can't be wrong, can they? Why waste your life doing the impossible.
I mean no disrespect, I am just confused at what I see on this forum.
"I also think some people are desperate for money so are willing to try anything"
You know already the answer to your question precog.
It's a similar principle to "people buy what they WANT, not what they need".
It doesn't matter how smart someone is if they don't want to see. Generally though, smarter people prefer not to keep their head in the sand. It's like lying to yourself.
I've been trying to figure it out myself (why some people stay clueless). It goes well beyond basic gambling principles.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 01, 06:33 PM 2020Do you need a high IQ to know that roulette can not be beaten using systems, which do not increase the accuracy of the prediction?
To understand this you do not need high IQ, you need simply elementary math knowledge, maybe that is even arithmetic. What mostly wonders me is that usually, peoples thinks that in roulette are "easy money". Learn some "rule" and can easy win every day... :)
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 01, 06:33 PM 2020
Do you need a high IQ to know that roulette can not be beaten using systems, which do not increase the accuracy of the prediction?
I would guess that someone with a low IQ is more likely to find it difficult to understand that no winning roulette system is possible, but on the other hand there are people with high IQs who are convinced it can be done. People in general aren't very good at understanding probability which is why it came so late in human development. Even today many people have no time for it, they think 'either something happens or it doesn't', so probability is irrelevant and pointless.
What I find strange is those who deny that mathematics proves that systems don't work. They call those who point this out 'closed minded', even though they use and rely on maths in every other area of their lives and never doubt it. But when it comes to roulette systems suddenly the maths is wrong! ;D
I agree with Steve. Maybe they're just blinded because they really want systems to work. It's the classic wishful thinking fallacy : 'it's true because I want it to be true'. And anyone can fall for that fallacy no matter how dumb or smart they are.
Quote from: Joe on Mar 02, 05:03 AM 2020What I find strange is those who deny that mathematics proves that systems don't work. They call those who point this out 'closed minded', even though they use and rely on maths in every other area of their lives and never doubt it. But when it comes to roulette systems suddenly the maths is wrong!
Exactly !!
And one more - talks about that is in several decades - really as i remember always that was. Nobody from these system players wins and when point them to that - they imidiatelly become very angry and you become bigest their enemy :) And if ask to show their abilities in life, then at all is like asking state secret :)
Nobody can something show, in reality, I met several such HG holders - no one won when I saw...:)
I've been observing the recent posts on the forum and I think iq levels definitely have something to do with it.
How can you complain about scammers? Steve has literally made a whole thread about it.
How can you still be under the delusion that 1 + 1 could ever be 3?
How can you keep going around in circles looking for something that doesn't exist?
This is not rocket science. Systems don't work.
Either system players have an incredibly high IQ or or this forum is a haven of delusion.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 05, 01:37 PM 2020
How can you still be under the delusion that 1 + 1 could ever be 3?
How can you keep going around in circles looking for something that doesn't exist?
This is not rocket science. Systems don't work.
Either system players have an incredibly high IQ or or this forum is a haven of delusion.
Yep
Precognition, Compa, imbalance and godfather clf7 :lol:
The levels on this forum are very fascinating to observe.
Huh?
Who did?
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 15, 12:16 PM 2020The levels on this forum are very fascinating to observe.
No one really knows what anyone IQ level on this forum is, though you can estimate it based on their writing ability I suppose. Does someone's belief in a HG system reflect their IQ level? Even though I have a low IQ and mental deficits, I know that no such grail exists. Actually, I don't "know" this. Just like people don't "know" that the paranormal exists. Except, the paranormal and all this psychic stuff is real. I don't want to lead people on, though. People knowing that it is real may get some lucky results and end up with a gambling addiction or do stupid things from being manipulated by spirits. This is all very real. I just can't believe how well it is either covered up or people are just programmed by themselves (and other ordinary people) not to believe it. A real HG would consist of psychic-type abilities, that can be learned by anyone, and a system (rules of play).
Does me revealing my mental deficits lower my credibility? I hope not.
You can be manipulated by spirits by not knowing what your own thoughts are. You think doing something "stupid" is your idea, when really it is manifesting from some outside force, such as spirits. Certain meditations, occult practices, and even engaging in certain activities, such as roulette research, can attract such spirits. I fear being labeled as crazy, but the truth is the truth. Also, be warned that you may risk spending eternity in hell for occult practices.
Quote from: swanson on Apr 16, 05:03 PM 2020I know that no such grail exists
But how would you know when there are infinite possibilities?
I think that the more certain individuals know, the less they want to share. I haven't worked out a HG yet, so I won't make any claims. But I have been reading the forums for like 10 years, and have seen some private discussions, so I know that there are many things that have never been discussed on the forums.
I know it's very hard for some people to accept that after 40 years of playing and testing roulette systems, there could be things that they have not seen before.
Quote from: swanson on Apr 16, 05:03 PM 2020Does me revealing my mental deficits lower my credibility? I hope not.
Your credibility is zero, so no it doesn't.
Quote from: ati on Apr 16, 05:31 PM 2020But how would you know when there are infinite possibilities?
When I said, ""actually I don't "know" this,"" I meant that I do not know this for sure. I am open to the possibility that a HG exists. It is just that I doubt it does, at least not without psychic-type abilities being used.
Instead of valuating intelligence why don't you make a simple test.
1. Do you have the capacity to see if Black or Red has strong moments of domination on it's way to being the individual spins that make up 200 spins in a row?
2. If you can see moments of domination on either side can you take action that will favor you?
3. Does math or arithmetic prevent you from seeing moments of domination?
4. Does math or arithmetic prevent you from taking action that will favor you?
These questions are to identify if you have magical beliefs about math or arithmetic.
This is a very rudimentary IQ test.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 01, 06:33 PM 2020
Do you need a high IQ to know that roulette can not be beaten using systems, which do not increase the accuracy of the prediction?
I can understand playing roulette for fun. I also think some people are desperate for money so are willing to try anything, which I can still have empathy for.
But I fail to comprehend those that are convinced that spins are not independent of each other. And the forum is full of them. Even as a hobby, it has to be one of the strangest hobbies. They are literally trying to make 1+ 1 = 3.
Clearly all these people can't be wrong, can they? Why waste your life doing the impossible.
I mean no disrespect, I am just confused at what I see on this forum.
Well... You haven't met me yet.
I can see it has got worse around here.
I respectfully disagree. It has gone from nothing to nothing. Nothing gained; nothing lost.
There was a whole lot more that was lost than gained, because you can't make any progress when you have a lot of pressure on you, e.g., people thinking they "need" to find a way to beat roulette for money due to financial hardship. These people may just be stacking the deck against themselves, unless you do better under pressure.
Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 01, 06:33 PM 2020
Do you need a high IQ to know that roulette can not be beaten using systems, which do not increase the accuracy of the prediction?
I can understand playing roulette for fun. I also think some people are desperate for money so are willing to try anything, which I can still have empathy for.
But I fail to comprehend those that are convinced that spins are not independent of each other. And the forum is full of them. Even as a hobby, it has to be one of the strangest hobbies. They are literally trying to make 1+ 1 = 3.
Clearly all these people can't be wrong, can they? Why waste your life doing the impossible.
I mean no disrespect, I am just confused at what I see on this forum.
I think it is more about what system comes closest to the win. The odds do not change, but do you think the systems produce the same results? Flat bet $2 on black for 100 spins and $2 martingale on black for the same 100 spins. Do they both make the same profit?
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 19, 11:27 PM 2020I think it is more about what system comes closest to the win. The odds do not change, but do you think the systems produce the same results? Flat bet $2 on black for 100 spins and $2 martingale on black for the same 100 spins. Do they both make the same profit?
Both these methods are stupid. The martingale is stupid because you will end up risking a large amount of money for a few dollars. The flat bet is safer, but you are still a sucker due to the house edge.
I'm sorry to say that this and that is stupid, but it's hard not to when people are falling for the oldest tricks in the book.
Quote from: pepper on Sep 20, 07:41 PM 2020
Both these methods are stupid. The martingale is stupid because you will end up risking a large amount of money for a few dollars. The flat bet is safer, but you are still a sucker due to the house edge.
But do you agree that one method is better than the other? What you are saying is that even the best method loses to the house, but what is the best method? That is the game of systems.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 20, 11:09 PM 2020
But do you agree that one method is better than the other?
Basically, one "system" is no better than another. This is what most people don't understand.
I explained it in my videos: every losing system is just a mess of random bets with random bet sizes, following logic that only makes sense to the player.
So while you think your system is awesome, it has the same win rate as random and changes nothing. And if the win rate is random, betting progression is just random bet size on random spins.
This is all OLD NEWS.
For fuck sake, I mean not you specifically... I have been saying the same thing for years. Not just me though. I mean anyone with understanding of basic information.
Why on gambling forums are basic facts so unknown? Especially when they are shoved in faces and undeniably true? If you talk about this stuff to any professional in this industry, they laugh at system players and gamblers. Wake up.
But we have bigger problems. Ignorance and stupidity is far more harmful with global issues at the moment.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 06:53 PM 2020
Basically, one "system" is no better than another. This is what most people don't understand.
I explained it in my videos: every losing system is just a mess of random bets with random bet sizes, following logic that only makes sense to the player.
So while you think your system is awesome, it has the same win rate as random and changes nothing. And if the win rate is random, betting progression is just random bet size on random spins.
This is all OLD NEWS.
For fuck sake, I mean not you specifically... I have been saying the same thing for years. Not just me though. I mean anyone with understanding of basic information.
Why on gambling forums are basic facts so unknown? Especially when they are shoved in faces and undeniably true? If you talk about this stuff to any professional in this industry, they laugh at system players and gamblers. Wake up.
But we have bigger problems. Ignorance and stupidity is far more harmful with global issues at the moment.
Even though all systems lose, it is still fun to try. Even math professionals with PHDs claim the solution to the Monty hall problem was wrong, until it was proved correct with computers. Plus wheel bias is a thing.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 21, 10:56 PM 2020Even though all systems lose, it is still fun to try
Bending over for casino operators and being ignorant about what they're doing to your ASS is not what I'd consider fun.
Understand they laugh at the ignorance of gamblers.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 21, 10:56 PM 2020Even math professionals with PHDs claim the solution to the Monty hall problem was wrong, until it was proved correct with computers.
It's an interesting illusion but the math isn't complicated. Just like roulette.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 21, 10:56 PM 2020Plus wheel bias is a thing.
I know all about it. But there are better ways.
I'm not against systems. i'm against repeating the same old bullshit, and calling it "fun".
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 11:22 PM 2020I'm not against systems. i'm against repeating the same old bullshit, and calling it "fun".
Hahaha, LOL, I gamble for entertainment. It's fun to maybe hit a jackpot. It's even more fun to give it all back. I actually like losing.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 22, 10:53 AM 2020It's even more fun to give it all back. I actually like losing.
Interesting.
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 22, 01:53 PM 2020
Interesting.
I can see that sarcasm is not wasted on you.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 22, 10:53 AM 2020
Hahaha, LOL, I gamble for entertainment. It's fun to maybe hit a jackpot. It's even more fun to give it all back. I actually like losing.
The funnest way to lose - is to do it, while deceiving some naive people and make it look that you are actually winning. Win some in short term, give it a fancy name like "Reading Randomness", and start writing scribbles. Post a lot of short term results, and attack anyone who challenges you. If an Admin tends to challenge - back off and ignore his posts, as getting banned won't be good. Claim that you have many students and those that don't understand you, are just too stupid. You should try it - I think you may succeed.
Quote from: winforus on Sep 22, 05:19 PM 2020The funnest way to lose - is to do it, while deceiving some naive people and make it look that you are actually winning. Win some in short term, give it a fancy name like "Reading Randomness", and start writing scribbles. Post a lot of short term results, and attack anyone who challenges you. If an Admin tends to challenge - back off and ignore his posts, as getting banned won't be good. Claim that you have many students and those that don't understand you, are just too stupid. You should try it - I think you may succeed.
...and don't forget to throw the narcissistic control freak of a mathZombie a bone. He needs his nourishment too.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 06:53 PM 2020I have been saying the same thing for years. Not just me though. I mean anyone with understanding of basic information.
Why on gambling forums are basic facts so unknown?
It's like a school. There will always be new players who have just started from the very beginning.
A teacher cannot ask the class, how come you not know all this when I've been theaching it for 30 years?
Quote from: Steve on Sep 21, 11:22 PM 2020
Bending over for casino operators and being ignorant about what they're doing to your ASS is not what I'd consider fun.
Understand they laugh at the ignorance of gamblers.
It's an interesting illusion but the math isn't complicated. Just like roulette.
I know all about it. But there are better ways.
I'm not against systems. i'm against repeating the same old bullshit, and calling it "fun".
Makes me wonder why casinos don't sell roulette system books next to the roulette table. People are so excited to try systems out, and the casino is scummy enough to do it. Instead, the casino eagle eyes you like you are cheating them when you play a system.
Quote from: ati on Sep 22, 05:45 PM 2020
It's like a school. There will always be new players who have just started from the very beginning.
A teacher cannot ask the class, how come you not know all this when I've been theaching it for 30 years?
Yeah I understand that. But some people are so incredibly dumb I find it hard to believe.
For example, just today I was asked this:
Quotewhat are the best numbers to bet on besides 7 & 17 ???... thanks
My response was:
QuoteIf you really think a number is better than another, what would happen if someone changed the numbers on the pockets??
But again there's more at stake with other things going on globally.
Bump
Who has a lower IQ: people who believe a holy grail exists or gamblers at the casino?
Gamblers can even be rich and intelligent. It's strange that casinos make money from high rollers; money doesn't usually fall into the hands of idiots, or does it?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 22, 02:32 PM 2020I can see that sarcasm is not wasted on you.
But you lose 53% of your bets on RS and are having a blast.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 22, 07:49 PM 2020Instead, the casino eagle eyes you like you are cheating them when you play a system.
This must be the delusion in your head. The casino doesn't give a shit about anyone using any system on any of their games.
Quote from: Mean on Nov 06, 12:31 AM 2020
Who has a lower IQ: people who believe a holy grail exists or gamblers at the casino?
Gamblers can even be rich and intelligent. It's strange that casinos make money from high rollers; money doesn't usually fall into the hands of idiots, or does it?
Clearly the people who believe in HG. A lot of the "high rollers" are people who just want to gamble for fun - they don't have any illusions in making money or one day "discovering the HG".
The lowest IQs that I seen, are on this forum. It's beyond amusing to see.