Special Comment: VLS just isn't the same without this body of work from Professor Winkel Plein. The GUT is worthy of debate and I hope the users of RouletteForum.cc find this as helpful as I have. Cheers! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
link:://vlsroulette.com/winkel's-way/the-holy-grail-or-g-u-t-the-great-universal-theory/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/winkel's-way/the-holy-grail-or-g-u-t-the-great-universal-theory/)
Funny, I was just thinking about this recently and wondering whether Winkel is still playing and winning with it. The trouble with that thread at VLS is it's so long, perhaps we could briefly summarise the rules of the system here for those who don't want to trawl through 80 pages.
Basically GUT revolves around one major bet. Smaller bets are also availiable.
In a nutshell, (the major bet) you have unhit and hit once (or more) numbers.
Unhit // Hit
36 0 (when you start playing)
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As the numbers come in, the unhit numbers will decrease and the hit numbers will increase.
(You have to keep track of the unhit ones (which ones they are)
Unhit // Hit (example)
15 15
or
16 15
Now, when the unhit numbers equal total hit numbers (preferably 18 numbers or less) it is time to bet all of the unhit numbers one time.
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<<<<Smaller bets>>>>>
Of the hit numbers, you can wager when once hit, twice hit or more equal each other...
(Example)
Once hit // Twice Hit
8 8
You would bet the 8 once hit numbers (one time)
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Here is *Track 4* (to aid in tracking unhit/hit numbers)
Thanks for bringing this back up Proof :thumbsup:
I played this for quite a while back in the day and I still find it one of the most unusual bet selections I've seen.
TwocatSam was a great advocate of this too at one time if I remember rightly....yes I wonder if its still played. ???
Quote from: Blood Angel on Dec 02, 07:19 AM 2010
....yes I wonder if its still played. ???
Daily, with success
This is one of the best systems ever made !
It have everything to work !
Unfortunatly I don't know how to play with it..
I know how to use the tracker, but I don't know when to place the bets. Only Winkel knows how to use it perfectly ;)
Best regards,
Afonso
Quote from: A3on on Dec 04, 02:59 PM 2010
This is one of the best systems ever made !
It have everything to work !
Unfortunatly I don't know how to play with it..
I know how to use the tracker, but I don't know when to place the bets. Only Winkel knows how to use it perfectly ;)
Best regards,
Afonso
Hi Alfonso,
first it is a matter of training.
And the main hint is: Watch what is going on!
Use the tracker to find a crossing!
first step: just simply play this crossing.
after a while you will see, that there are spins that say: bet
and on the other hand you will see, that this constellation and ongoing is difficult.
If you are in a losing streak (two crossings in a row lost)
just jump. You will always find a crossing that wins.
br
winkel
Thanks for replying me Winkel :)
Some months ago I was using your tracker a lot !
I had to read all the posts from the biggest thread ever made in a roulette forum and tried to resume it.
I had all saved in my pc, but unfortunatly I lost all the information I had when my pc broked =/
Now that I know you're still active in our forum, and here to help, I will go back to G.U.T again!
I will have to read it all and try to understand the way to play it, and what crossings should be played.
Maybe it isn't all that hard. But there is too much information in a single thread
Maybe in a week or so I will get all ready to test it properly :)
Best regards,
Afonso
Your questions are always welcome.
What most people want is a simple way. But there is none simple way.
At least you have to use your experience and to learn to get a felling for : what is going on.
I always said: Test test and test again. DonÃ,´t start betting with money (perhaps you find a casino which offers a 1ct minimum like betvoyager)
If some more peoöple ask for further informations and all can tell that they are used to the tracker I will give the much more eyperiened informations.
I offered this at the old VLS-forum, but the disturbances were that offensive that I stopped there.
br
winkel
@Winkel: Since I started the thread about GUT, I will make sure that there are no disturbances on the thread. Any questionable comments will be removed. By the way, welcome back and hope you are feeling well.
I have a suggestion. Before officially playing, find a particular wheel to play the system on and designate that one wheel for GUT. Secondly, track the 18 numbers that hit the most on that wheel (it could take several hours). Jot down these numbers so when it is time to bet, the more numbers you recognize as frequent hitting, the easier the decision will be to bet or not to bet.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 04, 07:38 PM 2010
@Winkel: Since I started the thread about GUT, I will make sure that there are no disturbances on the thread. Any questionable comments will be removed. By the way, welcome back and hope you are feeling well.
Yes, welcome back, Winkel.
I'll gladly support Proofreaders2000 in dealing with disruptions and disturbances.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 02, 04:17 AM 2010
Basically GUT revolves around one major bet. Smaller bets are also availiable.
In a nutshell, (the major bet) you have unhit and hit once (or more) numbers.
Unhit // Hit
36 0 (when you start playing)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As the numbers come in, the unhit numbers will decrease and the hit numbers will increase.
(You have to keep track of the unhit ones (which ones they are)
Unhit // Hit (example)
15 15
or
16 15
Now, when the unhit numbers equal total hit numbers (preferably 18 numbers or less) it is time to bet all of the unhit numbers one time.
Just to be clear. Is it that simple ? As I read on its implied (imo) its more complicated than that. Any clarification you can provide for our Members is muchly appreciated. Thank you :)
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<<<<Smaller bets>>>>>
Of the hit numbers, you can wager when once hit, twice hit or more equal each other...
(Example)
Once hit // Twice Hit
8 8
You would bet the 8 once hit numbers (one time)
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is *Track 4* (to aid in tracking unhit/hit numbers)
"Just to be clear. Is it that simple ?"--TwisterUK
That's the system. (As much as I know.)
Thanx Proof, appreciate it :)
pls read this
link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/g-u-t-extensions/msg31384/#msg31384 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/g-u-t-extensions/msg31384/#msg31384)
I would like to thank you Winkel for giving us this fantastic system. I have only become aware of it in the last few weeks from the original forum where you posted it and I have to say that it is pretty freaky.
After reading the main thread on the other board and twocatsam's threads about his attempts to trial the system I got a good understanding of what you are on about and it is nothing short of amazing. I am very conscious about why twocatsam went wrong and have tried to not get too c***y when winning all the time. . . . :o
I use the tracker that Alarian made and it performs incredibly well.
I was very sorry that other members made you leave the other board and am now very happy that you are still around on this one to answer questions if required.
I started out using real recorded spins to learn what was going on and then tried it on live spins online, but often found that 30 secs is not enough time to get all my bets on. I then tried it on RNG and found that there seems to be little or no difference in the outcomes. I am still winning. . . . . :)
Thank you for this brilliant system.
Quote from: foogus on May 27, 04:21 PM 2011
I use the tracker that Alarian made and it performs incredibly well.
Sorry, can you tell where did you get that tracker?
Quote from: marivo link=topic=2681. msg53898#msg53898 date=1306529626
Sorry, can you tell where did you get that tracker?
hxxp: vlsroulette. com/alarian%27s-school/great-universal-theory-graphical-user-interface-tracker/
Quote from: foogus on May 27, 09:58 PM 2011
hxxp: vlsroulette. com/alarian%27s-school/great-universal-theory-graphical-user-interface-tracker/
Thank you!
Maybe this link is even better:
link:://vlsroulette.com/alarian's-school/great-universal-theory-graphical-user-interface-tracker/?action=dlattach;attach=2304 (link:://vlsroulette.com/alarian's-school/great-universal-theory-graphical-user-interface-tracker/?action=dlattach;attach=2304)
how do you bet with this tracker it gives crazy things..example would help..thank you
Quote from: marivo link=topic=2681. msg54014#msg54014 date=1306600374
Thank you!
Maybe this link is even better:
hxxp: vlsroulette. com/alarian's-school/great-universal-theory-graphical-user-interface-tracker/?action=dlattach;attach=2304
That is the direct link to the one I use. The link I gave gives you some instrutions on how to use it, but basically you need to read winkels posts to know what you are doing before you use it I think. Using it without knowing the method will cause disaster IMHO.
I have posted the RX code into the download section.
See : link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=94 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=94)
Enjoy!
Hey, great to hear winkel is still about!!
After a long vacation from roulette i start reading up again since last week to catch up on theory and start practicing again.
I am currently trying some of the systems and methods that seem more promising, and the GUT looks very promising indeed. Thanks a million winkel (und viele schwäbischer Gruße ) !
I just tracked 94 spins at DublinBet this evening, and compared some of these methods against GUT. ( see link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.1185 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.1185) for results specifics). The results were good, thought it was a small sample. I think its still a valid case even with few numbers , since it seems that hit n run would be a good tactic; as soon as u make a profit, stop.
Thanks to whoever coded the tracker4.exe... tomorrow i will run it with today's numbers and see if i understood the GUT system correctly..
First impression was very good!! Still want to do more dry runs, but i am quite excited about it....
Have one question though, has anyone tried following the numbers in live casinos? For example, if u take a smartphone and use it to keep track of the numbers for GUT, would you get into trouble? Has anyone had this experience?
Hi guys, wondering if someone can clarify this for me.
Wouldnt unhit vs hit always cross over at 18?
And is it just one spin that you play those numbers for? So if you lose you retrack and wait for next cross over? Is a progression used?
Cheers
If memory serves me right..............
You have 19 unhit and 18 hit. That's 37. Another hit on the "unhit group" and it changes to 18 unhit and 19 hit. A crossing.
But you may have a crossing before this one. 1 vs >1 could be one.
Sam
Quote from: MuppetMan on Sep 07, 08:11 AM 2012
Wouldnt unhit vs hit always cross over at 18?
Yes, but you dont know when
As you can bet on the 19 unhit, waiting for the cross to happen, and the numbers that already hitted keep showing again