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Title: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Darek on Mar 06, 02:22 PM 2020
Hi all,

I would like to ask you if you have any practical experience at BetVoyager casino and you can clearly confirm that it is a fair casino?
Of course, I'm interested in this casino because of No-Zero Roulette.

I know the basics of them "Betvoyager Fairness Control" and that they take 10% from winning No-Zero Roulette, so let's leave it and let's not talk about it because I mean your practical experiences or relationships of reliable people you know.

Roulette without zero, this is the only gambling game that interests me and a few years ago I had a little fun with free spins, but this casino had a lot of negative comments and I never played there.

Roulette without zero, this is the only gambling game that interests me and a few years ago I had a little fun with free spins, but this casino had a lot of negative comments and I never played there, although I was very, very tempted.

Now I have started to be interested in it again, I can see that they have been on the market for so many years and I do not know if they are reliable or because people are easily fooled, they do not think clearly, because the lack of ZERO gives the feeling of easy winning.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Joe on Mar 07, 04:33 AM 2020
I've never played there and it seems they don't accept UK players anyway for some reason, but don't think that because there is no edge it will make winning easy. The long term result will be break-even if you don't have an edge in your favor, but still, it's better than standard one zero roulette, and you get the most benefit when playing a lot of numbers.

But it seems they take a cut of your winnings?
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Kairomancer on Mar 07, 07:48 AM 2020
If they make a cut, then the payout is short to make it break even.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Darek on Mar 07, 08:38 AM 2020
Quote from: Joe on Mar 07, 04:33 AM 2020
But it seems they take a cut of your winnings?

Yes, they collect 10% of the winnings after the session is over.
Here's a thread about this:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16853.0

My English is poor and I can't explain it to convince someone, but the 10% charged at the end of the session is nothing compared to the possibilities and safety offered by betting on the board without zero.
It all looks too good - very low rates, no zero and therefore I have doubts whether everything is OK.

People write that BetVoyager does not have to cheat, because it has these 10% and earns on it.
No, in practice it works differently than a typical casino advantage during the game - 35/37 or RBBR0RBBRR0 etc.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Darek on Mar 07, 08:47 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Mar 07, 07:48 AM 2020
If they make a cut, then the payout is short to make it break even.

I am sorry, because of the translation I am not sure - did you also write about this 10% fee?

If so, my answer to JOE is also common to you.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: ati on Mar 07, 04:30 PM 2020
I'm not sure what your actual question is, but in the past I played a lot of real money spins on Betvoyager, (over a hundred thousand) and I don't think it is rigged or anything like that. A couple years ago my country has tightened up laws regarding online gambling, so now I can only access BV through a VPN.
With regard to withdrawals, unfortunately I'm not able to comment on that as I always lost my money, but I did withdraw a small amount at one point without any issues.
There are some members who were able to withdraw tens of thousands.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16053.msg139566#msg139566
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15635.msg166814#msg166814
I'm sure BV don't try to steal player's money, otherwise the net would be full of negative reviews.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Darek on Mar 08, 09:26 AM 2020
Quote from: ati on Mar 07, 04:30 PM 2020
I'm not sure what your actual question is

Thank you very much with your reply.  8)

In my first question, I do not ask about the integrity of BetVoyager in terms of withdrawing money from them, but whether they DO NOT MANIPULATE THE ONLINE RULING RESULTS.
Of course, I mean, if someone playing there had such suspicions, because at 100% nobody will say if it's OK or not OK.

I found such doubts, after which I decided to ask:

1)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 10, 11:29 PM 2016
I thought BetVoyager had an honest RNG.  Who would have thought the casino was dishonest?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16853.0

2)
"Betvoyager claims to provide players with a rock-solid way for players to verify game outcomes are fair and random. They do this by allowing you to download an encrypted zip file containing the spin outcomes that will occur in the future. Then after the spins have occurred, they give you a password to check the winning numbers.

However, it is still possible for one password to decrypt one file, but not another. So multiple passwords could be used. I’m not saying Betvoyager is doing this. They already have an in-built advantage with the 10%, so wouldn’t need to cheat. I’m just saying their fairness control is not acceptable proof of fairness. The only acceptable proof of fairness should be certified fair random by a modernized gaming authority."
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/betvoyager-no-zero-roulette/
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Mister Eko on Mar 08, 09:27 AM 2020
Worst rigged online casino ever.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Darek on Mar 08, 10:04 AM 2020
Quote from: Mister Eko on Mar 08, 09:27 AM 2020
Worst rigged online casino ever.

Short: W H Y?
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Darek on Mar 08, 02:50 PM 2020
@ATI: I found something like 2 years ago (Jan 19, 2018) - is it current and also applies to roulette No-Zero?
Betvoyager Casino Review "Unethical Marketing":
link:s://:.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/betvoyager/
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: ati on Mar 08, 03:40 PM 2020
No, they don't do that anymore and it has nothing to do with games and the fairness of the casino. This proves that you can't even trust independent reviews. The person gave it a 1 out of 10 score, and only because of a very bad marketing choice made by the casino 4 or 5 years ago. (it didn't happen in 2018)
They made people spam online forums to receive their tournament winnings. I too participated in that tournament and had to write a spam post to receive my â,¬200.

It is best if you try casinos yourself. Just deposit â,¬10 or any small amount and play at the lowest stakes. Then you can decide if you like it or not.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Darek on Mar 09, 04:58 AM 2020
Quote from: ati on Mar 08, 03:40 PM 2020
No, they don't do that anymore and it has nothing to do with games and the fairness of the casino. This proves that you can't even trust independent reviews. The person gave it a 1 out of 10 score, and only because of a very bad marketing choice made by the casino 4 or 5 years ago. (it didn't happen in 2018)
They made people spam online forums to receive their tournament winnings. I too participated in that tournament and had to write a spam post to receive my â,¬200.

This is an important answer, because from what I see, you are one of the few people who refer specifically to the subject and have practice at BetVoyager - and that is what I mean the most.
I have touched on this topic in several forums and I often have the impression that people respond to me without knowing the practice, only having some long-heard and outdated information.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Samuel65 on Jul 18, 04:47 PM 2020
A lot of people had bad experiences with that casino,
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: huskerdu on Jul 18, 07:07 PM 2020
A few years ago, I played a 12 step Martingale EC random. What I mean is that :
Before every game, I wrote down a random series of 12 outcomes eg BRRBRBRRBBBR. Different for every game.
Then I started my game betting that this random series shouldn't come out playing  with a 12 step martingale. The probabilities to lose were 1 / 4.096 . So theoritically after 4.095 wins I should expect a losing game. I lost on my 8th game!!!
I gave up.
One gear later I gave it another try
I played the law of the third starting with 1 cent with progression. Unfortunately,  after so many years playing this shstem, It was the first time in my life that I saw 33 unique numbers in 37 spins!!! With base bet of 1 cent on every betting number, I lost 200 euros in this game!!!
Since then I never played in BV.
I cannot say that I lost because of rigged RNG, I just want to share my weird experience with BV....
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Steve on Jul 20, 06:12 AM 2020
Your loss has nothing to do with BV. And nothing to do with the "rare event".

It had to do with probability vs payout, whatever happened, whenever it happened. The law of a third is just random bets, that only looks like a pattern, to you.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Azim on Jul 20, 08:35 AM 2020
You can do the following with BV:


Fairness Control - this is a simplified version of our Randomness control

Before beginning each game a player may download a ZIP archive. Inside the archive there is a file which holds the sequence of numbers that the ball will fall on, if it is roulette, sequences of cards appearing on the table, etc., depending on the game. Specific explanations of the data records for Slots, Card games, Video Poker, Craps, Sic Bo, Keno, and Pachinko can be found on their individual pages.

This way, the player is informed in advance about the upcoming game, and can ensure that during the game, the casino does not change the generated sequence of numbers the ball falls on during roulette, or the sequence of cards, etc., depending on the game.

The archive can be opened with a password that is provided to the player after the game is finished.

The password for the archive coincides with the server control word, which is used in Randomness control.

Fairness control exists alongside with Randomness control, so the player can check the results and use of both methods.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: pepper on Jul 20, 09:42 AM 2020
Quote from: Azim on Jul 20, 08:35 AM 2020You can do the following with BV:
Fairness Control - this is a simplified version of our Randomness control
Before beginning each game a player may download a ZIP archive. Inside the archive there is a file which holds the sequence of numbers that the ball will fall on, if it is roulette, sequences of cards appearing on the table, etc., depending on the game. Specific explanations of the data records for Slots, Card games, Video Poker, Craps, Sic Bo, Keno, and Pachinko can be found on their individual pages.
This way, the player is informed in advance about the upcoming game, and can ensure that during the game, the casino does not change the generated sequence of numbers the ball falls on during roulette, or the sequence of cards, etc., depending on the game.
The archive can be opened with a password that is provided to the player after the game is finished.
The password for the archive coincides with the server control word, which is used in Randomness control.
Fairness control exists alongside with Randomness control, so the player can check the results and use of both methods.
BV wants you to be a deluded, gullible fool and fall for this nonsense.
BV=garbage cheating rng casino
How stupid can people be? My fricking 15 year old niece wouldn’t fall for this stupid, idiotic explanation trying to deflect their cheating.
Quote from: Darek on Mar 08, 09:26 AM 2020However, it is still possible for one password to decrypt one file, but not another. So multiple passwords could be used.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: ati on Jul 20, 10:27 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jul 20, 09:42 AM 2020
BV wants you to be a deluded, gullible fool and fall for this nonsense.
BV=garbage cheating rng casino
How stupid can people be? My fricking 15 year old niece wouldn’t fall for this stupid, idiotic explanation trying to deflect their cheating.

What's wrong with you? You don't seem to have any idea about the fairness control.

Although there is no Zip file anymore, the content is shown in a new browser window instead, you can still check and confirm that the casino generates a sequence of numbers in advance, and doesn't change the numbers during the play, based on your bet selection.

The basic setting is 10 numbers per sequence, but you can even change that to your preference.
After the numbers have been generated, you receive a checksum code. This code is an encrypted text that contains the next 10 numbers that will come out in your game.

(link:s://i.postimg.cc/CxqgpC7R/image.png)

Once the 10 spins happened, you can click check, and the casino will show you the content of the encrypted text. It contains the 10 numbers that have been spun.

(link:s://i.postimg.cc/xCSH3PxM/image.png)

Now you can go to any 3rd party site, for example link:s://timestampgenerator.com/tools/sha256-generator
copy the text that contains the roulette spins, and re-encrypt it, using the 3rd party tool.

You will see that the encrypted code below Result will match exactly the original code that the casino gave you. If the casino changed any of the numbers during the play to make you lose, the generated code would not match.

(link:s://i.postimg.cc/sfbBYmMX/image.png)
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: ati on Jul 20, 10:46 AM 2020
What people need to understand is that there are an unbelievable large number of permutations possible in roulette. In just 5 spins there can be over 69 million different variation of the 37 roulette numbers.
So random is constantly producing extremely rare events, and one of those rare events sooner or later will meet your bet selection.

The other day I wanted to test something in excel. I generated the spins and in the very first cycle there were 23 unique numbers in a row. Now did the excel cheat and wanted me to lose? It's sounds ridiculous, right? But if it happens to some while playing real money on an RNG roulette game, he would rage how he got cheated. I know, I used to be that person  :twisted:
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Azim on Jul 20, 11:28 AM 2020
Here is the possible outcome for 37 numbers:



00-13763753091226345046315979581580902400000000
01-9166659558756745800846442401332880998400000000
02-1417012790124480288380845887872707854336000000000
03-90145184730246025892907271420329810984960000000000
04-29783741778105059444026916492559103171756032000000 00
05-57970329049287657719781576280879113815426334720000 000
06-71885464137813784536847011575656511147914297344000 0000
07-59868819651200001053099801425565015916297584640000 00000
08-34762581204447586766128168170075977030524175646720 000000
09-14461938585196940315555791016241509772262121668608 0000000
10-43988863327144295628455119614800310494950727457177 6000000
11-99314403709014104760333242459469784676539760954572 8000000
12-16828756402132029257761608807853825140919211026022 40000000
13-21571423994333250786619796187375647743212359516160 00000000
14-21024615376642894044456549483200633964092178038784 00000000
15-15624050599243186577664106109533697507830824488140 80000000
16-88574561489078877149151720891953299471144686971289 6000000
17-38245595250327605318223205863016817185097264898048 0000000
18-12530967822349466104288191215822395024582071699456 0000000
19-30967834997093364656576727119566555144104706314240 000000
20-57237248137167777811633467981012366039863905403289 60000
21-78232772280842619876129768406917976326662281691136 0000
22-77931225778939000694390819037276276993798373785600 000
23-55537548139736362650165721245628847247861411840000 00
24-27656320468975854551661981504668356215745258752000 0
25-9339872643636158806351478567442193463378891366400
26-205855413999978844470780459449127510202760140800
27-2816965401383850461200395609690655180465920000
28-22399283172504178506420208588596956078284800
29-94565721758805225307882215499643868211200
30-186661410285074412593290629857625492480
31-142858615341622458131514354387133440
32-31674513616614897584407615403640
33-1247435821496707522962937200
34-3498702745071044101500
35-91534343011020
36-37
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: pepper on Jul 20, 01:53 PM 2020
Quote from: ati on Jul 20, 10:27 AM 2020What's wrong with you? You don't seem to have any idea about the fairness control.

Although there is no Zip file anymore, the content is shown in a new browser window instead, you can still check and confirm that the casino generates a sequence of numbers in advance, and doesn't change the numbers during the play, based on your bet selection.

The basic setting is 10 numbers per sequence, but you can even change that to your preference.
After the numbers have been generated, you receive a checksum code. This code is an encrypted text that contains the next 10 numbers that will come out in your game.



Once the 10 spins happened, you can click check, and the casino will show you the content of the encrypted text. It contains the 10 numbers that have been spun.



Now you can go to any 3rd party site, for example link:s://timestampgenerator.com/tools/sha256-generator
copy the text that contains the roulette spins, and re-encrypt it, using the 3rd party tool.

You will see that the encrypted code below Result will match exactly the original code that the casino gave you. If the casino changed any of the numbers during the play to make you lose, the generated code would not match.


Bet voyager is betting on you to be a gullible fool. How about doing something useful with your money instead of handing it over to crooks? That's probably too logical for some people.
Online rng has already been proven to cheat. Surely, they are doing something to cheat. Perhaps they will refuse payout or do some other kind of trick. I don't trust online casinos in the slightest. They are run by criminals. They send out free pdf's claiming that only their software is flawed and can be taken advantage of using progression. Then, the player losses, and many people do it over and over.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: Samuel65 on Jul 24, 02:03 PM 2020
My friend was playing there and he told me that it is a really bad and rigged place. I wanted to try it out for myself and it would be better if I never did that. It is so annoying when everything is rigged so that you would lose. There was no point playing there and I went back to link:s://qqclubs.com/slot-games (link:s://qqclubs.com/slot-games) where I had a lot of fun playing. It is a trusted casino with really cool games that  are not rigged. They have really good service and they love their customers.
Title: Re: BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?
Post by: pepper on Jul 24, 06:45 PM 2020
Quote from: Samuel65 on Jul 24, 02:03 PM 2020
My friend was playing there and he told me that it is a really bad and rigged place. I wanted to try it out for myself and it would be better if I never did that. It is so annoying when everything is rigged so that you would lose. There was no point playing there and I went back to link:s://qqclubs.com/slot-games (link:s://qqclubs.com/slot-games) where I had a lot of fun playing. It is a trusted casino with really cool games that  are not rigged. They have really good service and they love their customers.
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