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US coronavirus infections just surpassed 1,000 as global death rate reaches 6% which is 60 times higher than the seasonal flu
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-10-us-coronavirus-infections-just-surpassed-1000-global-death-rate.html

Here’s how Trump can end the coronavirus epidemic in just 30 days… (Hint: You won’t like it, and our republic may not survive)
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-10-heres-how-trump-can-end-the-coronavirus-epidemic-in-just-30-days.html

The neuroinvasive potential of SARS‐CoV2 may be at least partially responsible for the respiratory failure of COVID‐19 patients
link:s://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.25728

Are everyone's shops short on toilet paper, or is that just australia? I mean literally our shelves are empty, like coronavirus is going to give everyone severe runs, or the amount of butts is expected to spike.

 Italian doctor from Bergamo : To be silent is irresponsible! The COVID-19 war is literally exploding.
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Vitamin C against Coronavirus
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link:s://:.greenmedinfo.com/substance/vitamin-c-intravenous
link:s://:.greenmedinfo.com/blog/vitamin-c-saves-man-dying-viral-pneumonia

Tons of Vitamin C to Wuhan
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Treatment and prevention of a new virus
link:s://medalternativa.info/our/speak/lechenie-koronavirus/

Dosages and Treatments for Coronavirus Infections
link:s://drsircus.com/general/dosages-and-treatments-for-coronavirus-infections/

Study: Elderberries Block Flu Virus From Attaching To and Entering Human Cells
link:s://realfarmacy.com/study-elderberries-flu/
Anti-influenza activity of elderberry (Sambucus nigra)
link:s://:.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1756464619300313?via=ihub

Natural ways to boost your immunity as coronavirus spreads
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-02-29-natural-ways-to-boost-your-immunity-coronavirus.html

Why Detoxification is Important
link:s://:.greenmedinfo.com/blog/why-detoxification-important

Natural protection strategy against viruses, including Coronavirus
link:s://:.greenmedinfo.com/blog/natural-protection-strategy-against-viruses-including-coronavirus

Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 04:16 AM 2020Are everyone's shops short on toilet paper, or is that just australia? I mean literally our shelves are empty, like coronavirus is going to give everyone severe runs, or the amount of butts is expected to spike.

Yeah it's happening here too (UK). At first I thought the same as you, but the advice is if you get the virus you shouldn't use a hanky but tissues which you should throw away after using them, and toilet roll is cheaper than tissues. And I guess if you have to self-isolate you would want to stock up.

MMS & CDS
link:s://:.mmsbulgaria.com/

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=T29BDC2AJNw

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=7DVi3yp6N1w

link:s://youtu.be/HTBo27QnXCA
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=exf9bhwDNRU

If you're scared to die, you probably forgot you're going to die anyway. And you forgot what you are, and that time is endless.

Still, stock up on bog roll.

And enjoy the ride.

Quote from: Mortagon on Mar 11, 03:46 AM 2020
US coronavirus infections just surpassed 1,000 as global death rate reaches 6% which is 60 times higher than the seasonal flu
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-10-us-coronavirus-infections-just-surpassed-1000-global-death-rate.html

The death rate from Corona is only .7% not  6%, not 3%.  It's only .7%

If you don't want to catch it, just avoid smokers and other people with poor hygiene.   

Quote from: Mortagon on Mar 11, 05:21 AM 2020
Why Detoxification is Important
link:s://:.greenmedinfo.com/blog/why-detoxification-important

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Detoxification is retarded.  It's as stupid as taking colloidal silver.

Where did you get 0.7%?

And have you ever had a cold? Does it mean you've got poor hygeine, or smoke?

Actually colloidal silver increases white blood cells and has other benefits, but its not a miracle thing some people think.

And detoxification is beneficial, like an enema. Although I'm not into thay sort of thing, like eww.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 04:39 PM 2020
Where did you get 0.7%?

And have you ever had a cold? Does it mean you've got poor hygiene, or smoke?

No, I don't think I've had a cold in the last 15 years.  Most of us that don't smoke don't get sick very often.  Smokers in general are far more likely to get sick from colds because of the poor hygiene.  However, I did get the flu about three years ago after sleeping over night in an airport in NY. 

New stats in the US and from South Korea.  South Korea has tested hundreds of thousands and has found that far more people were infected than previously thought and the death rate is closer to .6%.  In the US officials now believe the death rate is about .7%  and others believe 1%.  As more and more people test positive it's becoming obvious that the mortality rate percentage will drop lower and lower.

Quote from: The General on Mar 11, 04:35 PM 2020
The death rate from Corona is only .7% not  6%, not 3%.  It's only .7%

If you don't want to catch it, just avoid smokers and other people with poor hygiene.

I had doubt on this incredibly smart uncle from the very beginning. This time he didnt copy  paste google . The result is infront of u......... hehehe

Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 04:42 PM 2020
Actually colloidal silver increases white blood cells and has other benefits, but its not a miracle thing some people think.

And detoxification is beneficial, like an enema. Although I'm not into thay sort of thing, like eww.

No and NO.  LOL!

Quote from: The General on Mar 11, 04:50 PM 2020
No, I don't think I've had a cold in the last 15 years.  Most of us that don't smoke don't get sick very often.  Smokers in general are far more likely to get sick from colds because of the poor hygiene.  However, I did get the flu about three years ago after sleeping over night in an airport in NY. 

New stats in the US and from South Korea.  South Korea has tested hundreds of thousands and has found that far more people were infected than previously thought and the death rate is closer to .6%.  In the US officials now believe the death rate is about .7%  and others believe 1%.  As more and more people test positive it's becoming obvious that the mortality rate percentage will drop lower and lower.

Fyi, prople in poor countries for example is Africa or South Asia, who works in garbage yards have stronger immune systems than people in western world !!

Hygiene is important but it’s all a question how strong is your immune system against viruses

And the death rate of corona is between 2-6%
For example in Italy it’s reached 6%

The death rates are higher because the number of people that are elderly and or smoke is much higher.  Also because they don't realize how many people actually have the virus.  However, South Korea has the true stats.  Unfortunately hygiene among most smokers is very elusive. 

Caleb, i meant please link to your source of info about 0.7%. I havent seen that anywhere.

If you are a normal part of society, youre going to breathe in a virus regardless of your hygeine. With long hours at the table its unavoidable.

Regarding colloidal silver, yes and yes. But again its no miracle. its especially great for external ailments like infected eye. Im guessing you are relying on hearsay.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 05:10 PM 2020
Caleb, i meant please link to your source of info about 0.7%. I havent seen that anywhere.

If you are a normal part of society, youre going to breathe in a virus regardless of your hygeine. With long hours at the table its unavoidable.

Regarding colloidal silver, yes and yes. But again its no miracle. its especially great for external ailments like infected eye. Im guessing you are relying on hearsay.

Collodial silver is about as effective as putting magnets in your shoes and drinking alkaline water.

"Colloidal silver isn't considered safe or effective for any of the health claims manufacturers make. Silver has no known purpose in the body. Nor is it an essential mineral, as some sellers of silver products claim."
link:s://:.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061

"South Korea has tested 140,000 people for the coronavirus. That could explain why its death rate is just 0.6% "
link:s://:.businessinsider.com/south-korea-coronavirus-testing-death-rate-2020-3

link:s://:.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

The only real supplement that has some merit, according to real research and doctors is in the form of zinc lozenges. 

3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the WHO as of March 3
Mortality Rate in China as of Feb. 20 (3.8% nationwide, 5.8% in Wuhan, 0.7% other areas)
Mortality Rate in China as of Feb. 4 (2.1% nationwide, 4.9% Wuhan, 3.1% Hubei, and 0.16% other provinces) reported by the NHC of China
Study providing a tentative mortality rate of 3%
Death rate among patients admitted to hospital (HFR): 15%

link:s://:.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Don't believe the official death rates. Chinese, North Korean and Iranian regimes are probably lying and telling smaller numbers. Also, the western media seem to cover only a few countries when it comes to this topic. I've never heard any news from Africa or India. If the virus gets to those places, it will likely wreak havoc.

I don't panic, I don't wear a mask or stock pile food, but I think that this whole thing needs to be taken very seriously. Just check what happened 100 years ago when we didn't have such safety measures and quarantines. It's estimated that 27% of the world's population got infected with the spanish flu, and that was back when we didn't have airplanes carrying millions of people on a daily basis. Even developed countries can barely treat the growing number of sick people, now what would happen if a million people got infected in every country?

Regarding mortality rate, more data is better. For now there's conflicting information. Time will tell.

Regarding colloidal silver, back about 10 years ago i spent a lot of time on it, among other things, and actually it does have real health benefits. Although again not like what is often claimed. Your opinion is at one end if the spectrum, but its not quite accurate. No point arguing it. But if you're interested in being accurate, consider a wider range of sources. Im not saying it's a miracle. But it's not useless.

Nobody should ever 100% believe what they read, especially from mainstream.

It's not just that governments sometimes lie. There are lots of factors like mistakes, poor data, factors not mentioned etc.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 05:24 PM 2020
Nobody should ever 100% believe what they read, especially from mainstream.

Here is a great example:
link:s://:.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate

On Feb.22 2020, Wiki changed the story: in their article, Spanish Flu deathrate went from 10-20% to 2-3%.  Read the article, do the maths: the maths don't hold.
Probably to make COVd appear as frightening as possible.  But make no mistake: it's a hoax. 

Some say it's engineered against the asian race.  Or weaponized in conjunction with 5G frequencies.  Tons of theories.

Bottom line is: all the quarantine and confinement measures will have more consequences that the virus itself.  Panic spreads faster than a disease.

General:

QuoteIf you don't want to catch it, just avoid smokers and other people with poor hygiene.

Leftism

Quote

Leftism

Common sense.  Stay away from disgusting people that smell bad and you're less likely to get sick.

How do we know they smell bad if we cant go near them?

Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 07:12 PM 2020
How do we know they smell bad if we cant go near them?

Nonsmokers and can smell the pungent odor of smokers from far far away.

I bet you're a smoker.

Quote from: The General on Mar 11, 07:27 PM 2020
Nonsmokers and can smell the pungent odor of smokers from far far away.

Unless camouflaging with patchouli.

Patchouli oil has a variety of additional uses throughout the world. Some of these include:

* treating skin conditions such as dermatitis, acne, or dry, cracked skin
* easing symptoms of conditions like colds, headaches, and stomach upset
* relieving depression
* providing feelings of relaxation and helping to ease stress or anxiety
* helping with oily hair or dandruff
* controlling appetite
* using as an insecticide, antifungal, or antibacterial agent
* using as an additive in low concentrations to flavor foods like candies, baked goods, and beverages
* covertly infecting The General with Coronavirus.

I've done extensive research on COVID-19.
My findings are that the only 100% effective protection from the symptoms of the virus, also for any secondary bacterial infection is ingesting Aardvark piss. 

I question your sources.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 11, 06:17 PM 2020Some say it's engineered against the asian race.  Or weaponized in conjunction with 5G frequencies.  Tons of theories.

I favor this one myself :

Paul is good, i mostly agree with him about everything. On this, we can adapt to eat anything, but the body needs to adjust and build immunity. That will cost some lives.

Eventually, eating any creature will be rare, mostly because of consciousness evolution.

Do you believe me now? The financial carnage has only just begun… and the sheeple will hold plunging stocks until
they bleed out and lose everything
"All the idiots stocking up on toilet paper and nothing else will soon come to realize if you don’t buy food, you won’t
need toilet paper. People in many cities are right now on the verge of total panic. NYC is already right on the cusp of
devolving into widespread panic, looting and crime sprees."
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-12-market-collapse-the-financial-carnage-has-only-just-begun.html

Quoteand an engineered biological weapon deployed to exterminate the human population,

Conspiracy theory garbage.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 09:34 AM 2020Paul is good, i mostly agree with him about everything.

Me too. Sometimes he gets carried away with his agenda and his sources are questionable, but mostly it's just common sense.

Russia's professor  Dmitry Edelev: Russia has developed coronavirus vaccine - bTV News
link:s://btvnovinite.bg/svetut/ruskijat-profesor-dmitrij-edelev-rusija-ima-razrabotena-vaksina-sreshtu-koronavirusa.html

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Quote from: Joe on Mar 13, 05:23 AM 2020Conspiracy theory garbage.

Is Zero Hedge a Russian Trojan Horse?
link:s://newrepublic.com/article/156788/zero-hedge-russian-trojan-horse

GET READY: Ten new predictions covering what will happen in America over the next 12 weeks due to the coronavirus
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-14-ten-new-predictions-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Embrace the horror.

Quote from: Mortagon on Mar 15, 05:12 AM 2020
GET READY: Ten new predictions covering what will happen in America over the next 12 weeks due to the coronavirus
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-14-ten-new-predictions-coronavirus-pandemic.html

LOL!, more garbage. My prediction is that not one of those predictions will come true.

I have to write a sign on the back of my van!

"No toilet paper kept in this vehicle overnight!"

Quote from: Mortagon on Mar 15, 05:12 AM 2020
GET READY: Ten new predictions covering what will happen in America over the next 12 weeks due to the coronavirus
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-14-ten-new-predictions-coronavirus-pandemic.html

I think #6 is what is really going on.

COVID is an excuse/cover-up to reduce people movements.  There is nothing pandemic about Coronavirus anyways.  Media hype and perhaps some ''population manipulation program''.

Here are my predictions:

1. Things will get worse before they get better. But not crazy bad. Mostly just panic and from fear of the unknown. Yes the hospitals will be overloaded, and there will be a significant death toll (not much more than average flus, but it will happen in less time). Everyone should be prepared because the real problem is financial, not health.

2. Shopping and prepping will get more desperate, but will soon after settle down as people see the supply wont be interrupted long-term. Coronavirus is not a super killing machine much more than the ordinary flu. The problem is mostly it spreads very quickly, which overloads the hospitals. Supply disruption is mostly from panic and hording.

3. Everything will be messy for 3-12 months, but gradually get better after the peak in about 1-3 months. When things settle down, there will be a lasting financial impact. This will be the real problem. And it will be exploited by people with power to grab more power.

4. Vinyl records are brought back. We find out Elvis was alive, but recently died from coronavirus.

And it is entirely possible it may be a man-made disease, not so much to kill lots of people, but more for financial reasons. If you think it's conspiracy nonsense, ask yourself are there people who dont care about others that much? And is it possible some of these people have the ability to make this happen?

Was it man made? We dont know.

At the very least, for sure the whole drama is and will be exploited by people looking to expand their power.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 15, 09:37 PM 2020
And it is entirely possible it may be a man-made disease, not so much to kill lots of people, but more for financial reasons. If you think it's conspiracy nonsense, ask yourself are there people who dont care about others that much? And is it possible some of these people have the ability to make this happen?

Was it man made? We dont know.

At the very least, for sure the whole drama is and will be exploited by people looking to expand their power.

Ofc. this didnt "just happen by accident" as i´ve understood, the main reason to create this "global panic" is because "the 1%" (aka. "the power elite") wants to transform the economical system,.... that is (also what i believe/ 1 global currency) i heard things about his Global Currency "CBDC" (Central Bank Digital Currency)....if this is true or not i dont know. But i suspect that is the main reason, for what else is there in this human drama? if not "money and power" (That is the main reason, in this drama, i believe...)

Here's a reasonable explanation. Whether or not coronavirus coronavirus man made, its the perfect opportunity for the elites financial goals.

If you have any big debts, look out.

I really think this bubble is going to burst soon. This is probably the noticeable start. Most people don't understand its by design.

Thank god I have no debt, I paid off my mortgage last month.  8) But now I have less than a months pay on my account.  :-[

I'm off to work in a few minutes, I'm curious to see if my company decides to let everyone stay home. The country is basically in lock down mode, everything is closed, yet we still have to go to the office where there are hundreds of people in the same open area, and almost everyone could work from home. Not that I want it too much, I'm much more efficient in the office.

Their goal is total control, so everyone will be affected even if you have no debt.

Ultimately i think eventually it will backfire on them, because people will become more self sufficient. They'd be aware of this risk for them.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 15, 09:37 PM 2020And it is entirely possible it may be a man-made disease, not so much to kill lots of people, but more for financial reasons. If you think it's conspiracy nonsense, ask yourself are there people who dont care about others that much? And is it possible some of these people have the ability to make this happen?

Steve, yes it's conspiracy theory nonsense. Your argument that the virus was deliberately created because 'there are people who don't care about others and had the ability to make it happen' is a very poor one. Laughable, in fact. It's so generic that you could apply it to any bad things which happen in the world.

What specific evidence do you have that's it's true for this case? None. The best scientific evidence for the origin of the virus is that it comes from an animal, although they're not sure which one.

link:s://:.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w

Why do so many people believe in conspiracy theories? Interesting article here (link:s://theconversation.com/why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories-and-how-to-change-their-minds-82514?gclid=Cj0KCQjwx7zzBRCcARIsABPRscOrxQCNszXSsGgrXZ587kOavHKFJtYvB7SuVlZ99e0U4GbBLDOHmlMaAia_EALw_wcB).

QuoteOne of the reasons why conspiracy theories spring up with such regularity is due to our desire to impose structure on the world and incredible ability to recognise patterns. Indeed, a recent study showed a correlation between an individual’s need for structure and tendency to believe in a conspiracy theory.

Take this sequence for example:

0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 1

Can you see a pattern? Quite possibly â€" and you aren’t alone. A quick twitter poll (replicating a much more rigourous study) suggested that 56% of people agree with you â€" even though the sequence was generated by me flipping a coin.

It explains why so many people on roulette forums like conspiracy theories, don't you think? They are always looking for patterns in past spins!

Unfortunately it's almost impossible to convince anyone who believes in a conspiracy theory that it's irrational. An attempt to show that there is no evidence for it is seen as 'suppression' or a cover-up, and evidence against it is seen as misinforming the public.

QuoteTheir goal is total control

Who are 'they'? The illuminati? The Lizard people? Aliens?  ::)

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 06:24 AM 2020Who are 'they'? The illuminati? The Lizard people? Aliens?

There are a small number of people who owns all central banks in the world. These people... idk really, what are their "plans"...... more money more power than they already got? They already own all the central banks in the world...ofc, thats not "enough" they want more? its insane?:S what kind of people is this idk?... no...

Joe, firstly i didnt say it was man made. It could be. I said at the very least, groups will try to exploit it. They already are.

Secondly, youre uneducated on this matter.  You're at the other end of the scale. You think the world has fairies and the government and banks are always honest. And surely bad people don't exist in high places. Banks printing money from nothing is a good thing, for our benefit, right??

Theres much more. Im not interested in debating this. You've got a bit to learn.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 16, 06:42 AM 2020Secondly, youre uneducated on this matter.  You're at the other end of the scale. You think the world has fairies and the government and banks are always honest. And surely bad people don't exist in high places. Banks making money from nothing is as good thing, for our benefit, right??

No Steve, I don't think that governments and banks are always honest, but that's not the same as believing in conspiracy theories for which there is no evidence whatsoever. I repeat : where is the specific evidence that the virus was deliberately created?

You have no answer.

Quote from: ignatus on Mar 16, 06:39 AM 2020There are a small number of people who owns all central banks in the world. These people... idk really, what are their "plans"...... more money more power than they already got? They already own all the central banks in the world...ofc, thats not "enough" they want more? its insane?:S what kind of people is this idk?... no...

FYI, those who 'own' banks don't own all the money in them, lol.

And by the way, aliens exist.

Probably, reptillian aliens exist. And probably particular alien races are influencing our progress for their benefit.

So out there, right? Again you've got a bit to learn.

As for the illuminati, there are many secret societies. Some share agendas, some have conflicting interests.

I know there are bullshit theories without anything to back them up. And there are conspiracies that are real, with ample reasonable evidence.

Im not just a theorist joe.
Im well educated and balanced.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 16, 06:42 AM 2020Im not interested in debating this.

I don't blame you, because there are no good arguments. I'm not naive and think that people in power are angels. Far from it, and I'm not saying that there are no conspiracies. However, belief in conspiracy theories is not based on evidence, but faith.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 06:46 AM 2020I repeat : where is the specific evidence that the virus was deliberately created?

I repeat, read what i wrote.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 06:48 AM 2020FYI, those who 'own' banks don't own all the money in them, lol

Fyi, banks create money from our deposits in a system called fractional reserve banking, so they make money from nothing.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 16, 06:51 AM 2020And by the way, aliens exist.

Probably, reptillian aliens exist. And probably particular alien races are influencing our progress for their benefit.

So out there, right?

Yes. Whatever. If you like wearing a tinfoil hat, keep doing it. Whatever floats your boat.

 

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 06:53 AM 2020
I don't blame you, because there are no good arguments

Again joe, read what i wrote.

And about other conspiracies, me not bothering to explain it to you is much like an educated person not bothering to explain to newbies why roulette repeaters doesn't work. They newbies are just so far behind. Sorry Joe, when you know better you're in for the shock of your life.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 16, 06:55 AM 2020I repeat, read what i wrote.

I did. All you did was repeat that there are bad people in power. That's not evidence that the virus was made deliberately, is it?

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 06:55 AM 2020Yes. Whatever. If you like wearing a tinfoil hat, keep doing it. Whatever floats your boat.

That's the equivalent response of saying "we know there will be eventual repeats, so random is predictable". No idea. Sorry Joe. Really i am.

And now your comments are just getting ridiculous and defensive. Goods luck.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 16, 06:59 AM 2020And about other conspiracies, me not bothering to explain it to you is much like an educated person not bothering to explain to newbies why roulette repeaters doesn't work. They newbies are just so far behind. Sorry Joe, when you know better you're in for the shock of your life.

Steve, you've been spouting this conspiracy drivel for years, I've read some of your old posts. None of your predictions have come true. Recently you've become a bit more rational in your views, but I see the old biases are still there.

And when challenged, you just patronize people but don't have any real arguments. I can see through you better than most.

Show me my predictions you're referring to. Be very specific.

Then i want you to prove to me banks dont plot to make money in conspiracies. I want you to demonstrate QE is good for us, rather than being covert theft.

Then please indicate the probability that we are the only life forms in the universe. Aliens are crazy talk, right?

Besides having sufficient reasonable proof, which i have, i like many others "feel" whats going on. For many people, thats enough. I rely both on reasonable proof, and that feeling, that things aren't right.

If you aren't aware of the problems, you haven't reached a particular level. Im not saying this to insult you. Its something you'd only understand if you were there.

Keep going to work. Keep paying your taxes. The system is looking out for you. Everything is good.

Youre not the only one, and we've all been there.

Believe it or not, we're in the middle of a big change in everything.  Its not that it hasn't happened. Its happening right now.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 16, 07:26 AM 2020
Besides having sufficient reasonable proof, which i have, i like many others "feel" whats going on. For many people, thats enough. I rely both on reasonable proof, and that feeling, that things aren't right.

Believe it or not, we're in the middle of a big change in everything.  Its not that it hasn't happened. Its happening right now.

I agree to that!

“ And by the way, aliens exist.

Probably, reptillian aliens exist. And probably particular alien races are influencing our progress for their benefit.

So out there, right?”

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 06:55 AM 2020
Yes. Whatever. If you like wearing a tinfoil hat, keep doing it. Whatever floats your boat.

- perhaps it’s you that needs to walk a bit more ....and then you will see we all have our origins from an alien form/race
....mmm might be too much for this forum  :question: :smile:

Quote from: Steve on Mar 16, 07:26 AM 2020Besides having sufficient reasonable proof, which i have, i like many others "feel" whats going on. For many people, thats enough. I rely both on reasonable proof, and that feeling, that things aren't right.

Yes, it's called paranoia. Where is the 'reasonable' proof that the C-virus was deliberate?  Feelings aren't enough, but unfortunately most people don't know how to think. The education system has a big part to play in this (grounds for another conspiracy theory? Well there might be something to it, actually).

QuoteIf you aren't aware of the problems, you haven't reached a particular level. Im not saying this to insult you. Its something you'd only understand if you were there.

More patronizing 'I have reached a superior level of consciousness' drivel.

QuoteKeep going to work. Keep paying your taxes. The system is looking out for you. Everything is good.

Straw man.

QuoteYoure not the only one, and we've all been there.

Aww shucks, thanks Steve.  ;D

Quote
Believe it or not, we're in the middle of a big change in everything.  Its not that it hasn't happened. Its happening right now.

Here I agree with you. But I bet  you deny the biggest challenge we face as a species, don't you?

Believing in conspiracy theories isn't harmless (link:s://time.com/5541411/conspiracy-theories-domestic-terrorism/); it has real and dangerous consequences. Perhaps you didn't realize that? The trouble with conspiracy theory addicts is that they need them to bolster their self-image, so appealing to facts doesn't work, because the need for a positive self-image is stronger than the need for truth. They need to feel that they have privileged and 'inside' information (which of course isn't, because it's available to everyone) and tend to be rather isolated individuals. 

I'm not saying that's your profile exactly, but you do have a chip on your shoulder. It seems like the 'establishment' is always the enemy, and that includes science, too, apparently. The establishment isn't perfect, but don't make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Mar 16, 08:25 AM 2020....mmm might be too much for this forum

I don't think so, LOL!

Bill gates on viruses 4 years ago

link:s://youtu.be/9AEMKudv5p0

On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China
link:s://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/

Quote from: Mortagon on Mar 11, 06:35 AM 2020
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=T29BDC2AJNw

A simplified system for generating recombinant adenoviruses.
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9482916
Efficacy and Safety Evaluation of a Chlorine Dioxide Solution
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5369164/
Protective effect of low-concentration chlorine dioxide gas against influenza A virus infection.
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18089729
Evaluation of the antiviral activity of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite against feline calicivirus, human influenza virus, measles virus, canine distemper virus, human herpesvirus, human adenovirus, canine adenovirus and canine parvovirus.
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20616431

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 10:49 AM 2020Yes, it's called paranoia

It's only paranoia if it's not real. You're confusing reality with unsubstantiated theories.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 10:49 AM 2020Where is the 'reasonable' proof that the C-virus was deliberate?

Where did I say there was? You're avoiding this point.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 10:49 AM 2020But I bet  you deny the biggest challenge we face as a species, don't you?

Is it a toenail fungal infection?

Hit me with your perception of what is the biggest challenge. It might just be a conspiracy theory.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 10:49 AM 2020Believing in conspiracy theories isn't harmless; it has real and dangerous consequences. Perhaps you didn't realize that?

Ignorantly categorizing substantiated conspiracy fact as "quackery" is much more dangerous.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 10:49 AM 2020The trouble with conspiracy theory addicts is that they need them to bolster their self-image, so appealing to facts doesn't work, because the need for a positive self-image is stronger than the need for truth.

We're not talking about flat Earth nutters, Joe.

An example of what I consider conspiracy "fact" is the whole banking system.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 10:49 AM 2020They need to feel that they have privileged and 'inside' information (which of course isn't, because it's available to everyone) and tend to be rather isolated individuals. 

Your'e generalizing from ignorance.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 16, 10:49 AM 2020you do have a chip on your shoulder. It seems like the 'establishment' is always the enemy, and that includes science, too, apparently

Seriously Joe? Firstly, my chip is because of fraud in high places, like banking. Do better research to understand QE, fractional reserve banking, and the whole banking establishment. It's not mere theory.

Secondly, you might want to think twice about saying I'm against science.

Thirdly, as Ive said before, most of the government just does their job, and are good people doing their best. The minority are the problem, but unfortunately many are in influential positions.

Ultimately, Joe, it looks like you're more looking for an argument, rather than a discussion about reality. Your arguments are ignorant and absolute.

He got a point?

Point IS-- "There is no political solution to the human contidition", eventhough maybe David icke is correct about his statement that we are getting a more "totalitarian government now" and so on.. STILL *there is no political solution to the human problem/condition* so? "Freedom" is more about each idividuals choise , and its more about "spiritual freedom/work" (which has abolutley Nothing to do with "politics")... that is my opinion

Ðœask + menstrual dressings for women + propolis
link:s://:.facebook.com/gabareva/posts/3056618071038813?__cft__

Russian is alien to most of us.

Vodka.

Thats it. Limited vocab.

QuoteIt's only paranoia if it's not real. You're confusing reality with unsubstantiated theories.

Paranoia is the irrational and persistent feeling that people are 'out to get you'. I think that's a reasonable characterization of those who believe in multiple conspiracy theories. 

QuoteWhere did I say there was? You're avoiding this point.

Here :

QuoteAnd it is entirely possible it may be a man-made disease, not so much to kill lots of people, but more for financial reasons.

Why is it 'entirely possible' that it may be man-made? Where is the smoking gun? All the scientific evidence for the origin of the virus points to animals, not humans.

You also said :

QuoteTheir aim is total control

But didn't reply to my question asking who 'they' are.

QuoteIgnorantly categorizing substantiated conspiracy fact as "quackery" is much more dangerous.

It seems you didn't actually read the article I linked to.
link:s://time.com/5541411/conspiracy-theories-domestic-terrorism/

If someone had told me a few years ago that the most influential conspiracy theorist would be the president of the USA, I wouldn't have believed them. Just a few days ago he said that the corona virus was a democrat hoax. Now of course he's back-pedaled heavily because he realizes it hasn't gone down well, and he wants to get a second term.

QuoteHit me with your perception of what is the biggest challenge. It might just be a conspiracy theory.

Have a guess, I'll tell you when you're getting warmer. ;)

QuoteYour'e generalizing from ignorance.

No, this is topic which has been studied by psychologists. Those who believe conspiracy theories tend to have those characteristics. I thought you believed in science?

QuoteUltimately, Joe, it looks like you're more looking for an argument, rather than a discussion about reality.

I'm not looking for an argument especially, I'm more looking for answers.

Quote from: ignatus on Mar 16, 08:22 PM 2020
Point IS-- "There is no political solution to the human contidition", eventhough maybe David icke is correct about his statement that we are getting a more "totalitarian government now" and so on.. STILL *there is no political solution to the human problem/condition* so? "Freedom" is more about each idividuals choise , and its more about "spiritual freedom/work" (which has abolutley Nothing to do with "politics")... that is my opinion

With that I agree. Icke is the worst of the worst when it comes to conspiracy theories. A complete nutter.

France and Italy are closing their casinos, and many in LV are doing the same. Well at least we still have online.  General, looks like you might be out of a job for a while, and I guess it's not good news for you either Steve.

link:s://:.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/15/casinos-coronavirus-closures-jobs/

thats a quite good news

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:41 AM 2020
Paranoia is the irrational and persistent feeling that people are 'out to get you'. I think that's a reasonable characterization of those who believe in multiple conspiracy theories. 

You arent listening. The banking system isn't a conspiracy, right? You're being very shortsighted. Understanding of reality is not paranoia.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:41 AM 2020Why is it 'entirely possible' that it may be man-made? Where is the smoking gun? All the scientific evidence for the origin of the virus points to animals, not humans.

Isn't it possible? Why not? Where's your smoking gun? And yes the virus origins is disputed, and has anomalies, some of which are explained in the link you didn't read. The jury is still out, why is why i havent said its certain. You're acting like i have.

Besides false flags are not a new thing. Youd be naive to think groups dont have the will and ability to do it.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:41 AM 2020
But didn't reply to my question asking who 'they' are.

There's not just one group. There are many. Mostly they are wealthy elite looking to expand and preserve their power.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:41 AM 2020It seems you didn't actually read the article I linked to.
link:s://time.com/5541411/conspiracy-theories-domestic-terrorism/

I did, and it's biased, shortsighted garbage as if real conspiracies dont exist. Its like saying flat earth is bullshit, so is every other conspiracy theory.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:41 AM 2020If someone had told me a few years ago that the most influential conspiracy theorist would be the president of the USA, I wouldn't have believed them.

You think its the first tine a us president was full of shit? Do you believe bush really thought saddam had nukes, or ties to osama? Isn't it strange osama, the world's most wanted terrorist at the time, had ties to bush instead? It's not even scratching the surface but you're uneducated about the whole area and i dont have time to assist you.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:41 AM 2020Have a guess, I'll tell you when you're getting warmer.

I believe it's real, but overstated and exploited. I dont think its quite the biggest problem. There is evidence of natural cycles. There's loads of bs about it, like the hottest day in history, bushfiresetc like its all gkobal warning. Look back further than our short history. Or should that be ignored?

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:41 AM 2020No, this is topic which has been studied by psychologists. Those who believe conspiracy theories tend to have those characteristics. I thought you believed in science?

Oh i see. So the banking conspiracy isnt real after all. Thanks to them clever shrinks and their research. I feel better.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:58 AM 2020I guess it's not good news for you either Steve.

Not really. Firstly they'll reopen eventually. Secondly i have other income sources amd greater than roulette.

You really need to do better research joe, and distinguish between conspiracy nonsense and reality. Im not going to waste time explaining it all to you, like im not going to explain to every player why repeaters dont work.

BAD MATH ALERT: No, the seasonal flu doesn’t have a 10% fatality rate… it’s actually less than 0.1%… here’s the math
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-03-16-bad-math-alert-no-the-seasonal-flu-doesnt-have-a-fatality-rate-coronavirus.html

QuoteThe banking system isn't a conspiracy, right?

Straw man.

QuoteIsn't it possible? Why not? Where's your smoking gun?

I'm not the one with the conspiracy theory, so don't try to shift the burden of proof.

QuoteI did, and it's biased, shortsighted garbage as if real conspiracies dont exist.

You completely missed the point of the article. And I can't be bothered to explain it to you.

QuoteYou think its the first tine a us president was full of shit?

Straw man.

QuoteOh i see. So the banking conspiracy isnt real after all.

Straw man.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 17, 07:18 AM 2020You really need to do better research joe

Yes, better 'research'. Meaning you look for websites which support your prejudices and paranoia. Easily done because whatever batshit crazy ideas you have you'll find some support for it somewhere. And the 'mainstream' sites are of course skipped because the 'establishment' is the problem in the first place. So the more you search the more convinced you are that your conspiracy theory bullshit is the truth. Do you see how it's all self-fulfilling and feeds on itself?

And before you attack another straw man, I'm not saying there aren't real conspiracies, but they are far fewer than people imagine.

A common and flawed way of thinking goes like this:

Event X has consequence Y, therefore Y is the cause of X. (fallacy)

For instance, here's a conspiracy theory I just made up : the coronavirus (X) is going to cause many elderly people to die (Y). Elderly people draw state pensions, therefore the government created the virus so that they don't have to pay pensions.

It's really easy to come up with any number of similar conspiracy theories. Then you start searching for evidence. Because we are so good at finding patterns, and there is so much garbage online, you will always find some 'evidence' for your conspiracy BS.

Ironically, the conspiracy theory addicts like to think of themselves as open-minded, but they are far from it because they are blind to evidence against their theories. The easiest person to fool is yourself.

So do yourself a favor Steve and try to educate yourself on these matters, and become a better critical thinker.

Ok,
my turn to go down the Woohoo land, see attached.

This should prompt some headwind...

Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 17, 12:24 PM 2020
Ok,
my turn to go down the Woohoo land, see attached.

This should prompt some headwind...

Bigroben,

What does your cryptic post mean?

Quote from: JoeWhy is it 'entirely possible' that it may be man-made? Where is the smoking gun? All the scientific evidence for the origin of the virus points to animals, not humans.

Several experts are now saying that they can tell, after viewing the virus directly, that it's the merger of two strains and that it's not man made.   

Quote from: Joe on Mar 17, 05:58 AM 2020
France and Italy are closing their casinos, and many in LV are doing the same. Well at least we still have online.  General, looks like you might be out of a job for a while, and I guess it's not good news for you either Steve.

link:s://:.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/15/casinos-coronavirus-closures-jobs/

Meh, it's just a short term vacation from work.  Right now I'm buying up future flights at some great prices. 

By the way, Las Vegas sucks these days anyway.   The actuaries ruined it.  The odds are terrible, the resort fees and paid parking demonstrate just how anal the casinos have become.  There are better places to gamble in the country and abroad.

Joe, you're utterly clueless. Good luck.

Quote from: The General on Mar 17, 01:17 PM 2020
Bigroben,
What does your cryptic post mean?

Oh, was throwing it in there.  Google the key words and think what you will after.  No pressure.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 17, 06:44 PM 2020
Oh, was throwing it in there.  Google the key words and think what you will after.  No pressure.

I believe the virus was another byproduct of communism.   Starving citizens willing to eat anything become infected with the virus.

Whatever the case, clearly the whole situation has shown how pitifully fragile the system is, and how dependant we are. Its just a virus.

Health is based on more than just the physical.

Sense the energy to heal

Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 18, 02:33 PM 2020
Health is based on more than just the physical.

Sense the energy to heal

(link:s://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/b6/9c/a7b69c2e1d3a4fdd3b4d9f525636274d.jpg)

Use those eyes

Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 18, 04:46 PM 2020

Use those eyes

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Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 18, 04:46 PM 2020

Use those eyes

(link:s://images.ctfassets.net/cnu0m8re1exe/4Re1vgVLpvbLcCBTYhiKC0/0a9a94b5ffc1c10e47b39851a33304dd/Supra_credulus.jpg?w=650&h=433&fit=fill)

Scientists discover the part of the brain that makes some people gullible.

Use all of that grey matter. I know you can do it.

Quote from: precogmiles on Mar 18, 04:46 PM 2020

Use those eyes

I remember this video. I feel the buzzing effect just by listening this affirmation.

Stable genius.

Steve has made some really good points here, unfortunately not all will be able to understand. Now a days, there is 2 extreme spectrums: Either conspiracy theory " nut heads", or on the other end - those that see the world totally in pink colored glasses, ignorantly dismissing everything and believing the mainstream narrative. Finding the balance by doing extensive research, having radical open-open mindedness and doing a deep self-inquiry to investigate your own biases, is what makes the difference, and it takes a lot of work. Those that value Truth (with a capital t) over their own survival agendas (ego's), are usually  the ones who are able to see things more accurately or closer to the way they are.

With that being said, It's very hard for me to believe that the coronavirus happened randomly or by accident.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 19, 10:15 AM 2020by doing extensive research

I think in quite a few situation this will not make anyone any more knowledgeable than the rest of the people.

For example, there is zero chance that your "extensive research" would provide any proof that the virus was artificially created. You cannot go to a Chinese lab yourself, take samples and go through all their documents. All you can do is read the personal opinions of single individuals, then form your own opinion, which will be your truth.

There is a huge amount of misinformation about the virus, and Trump the pathological liar isn't helping much.  ::)

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p085qv2x

It's worth taking a look at Newsguard, which is mentioned in the clip.

link:s://:.newsguardtech.com/

Apart from the crackpot conspiracy theories, there are plenty of snake oil salesman looking to take advantage of your fear and ignorance. Amazon has removed over a million products which have claimed to cure or prevent the virus.

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51675183

Quote from: ati on Mar 19, 11:56 AM 2020
I think in quite a few situation this will not make anyone any more knowledgeable than the rest of the people.

For example, there is zero chance that your "extensive research" would provide any proof that the virus was artificially created. You cannot go to a Chinese lab yourself, take samples and go through all their documents. All you can do is read the personal opinions of single individuals, then form your own opinion, which will be your truth.

I was referring to what the points that Steve made, so I do not disagree with you.  Nobody actually knows where the virus came from, and it's probably something that we won't know for a long time, but I personally don't believe it was by accident.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 19, 01:14 PM 2020Nobody actually knows where the virus came from,

Yes they do. But they're not sure which animal it came from.

link:s://:.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w

Please stop spreading misinformation.  ;)

Quote from: winforus on Mar 19, 01:14 PM 2020
I was referring to what the points that Steve made, so I do not disagree with you.  Nobody actually knows where the virus came from, and it's probably something that we won't know for a long time, but I personally don't believe it was by accident.

COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin
Date:
March 17, 2020
Source:
Scripps Research Institute
Summary:
An analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

link:s://:.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

Quote from: Joe on Mar 19, 12:56 PM 2020There is a huge amount of misinformation about the virus, and Trump the pathological liar isn't helping much. 

Fortunately we have a real president in place.  MAGA :)

Quote from: Joe on Mar 19, 01:20 PM 2020
Yes they do. But they're not sure which animal it came from.

link:s://:.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w

Please stop spreading misinformation.  ;)

You are the one that needs to stop spreading misinformation. You are contradicting yourself - "Yes they do, but they are not sure".  Have you even read it? They are suspecting it may be an animal, yet they are still not sure.

"So far, the closest match to the human coronavirus has been found in a bat in China’s Yunnan province. A study5 published on 3 February found that the bat coronavirus shared 96% of its genetic material with the virus that causes COVID-19. Bats could have passed the virus to humans, but there are key differences between the RBD sites in the two viruses. "

A lot of "could" and "what ifs", yet still no conclusive evidence.

As of now, nobody actually knows, but scientists are working on finding out.

That's a 3 weeks old article by the way. There is a more recent one. (link:s://:.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9)

QuoteAlthough the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin

Quote from: winforus on Mar 19, 01:59 PM 2020You are contradicting yourself - "Yes they do, but they are not sure".  Have you even read it? They are suspecting it may be an animal, yet they are still not sure.

No, I'm not contradicting myself, and you only quoted part of my sentence. They always knew it was an animal, but they weren't sure which one. And yes, I have read it, but you don't seem to have read my post properly.

You think trump is any worse than the c*cks previously elected? When has any politician made significant change? Change wont happen from politics.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 19, 01:14 PM 2020but I personally don't believe it was by accident.

Yes, I expect the Pangolin deliberately infected a human. Or perhaps it was one of those pesky lizard people?

link:s://:.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Quote from: Steve on Mar 19, 04:42 PM 2020You think trump is any worse than the c*cks previously elected? When has any politician made significant change? Change wont happen from politics.

Yes, a lot worse. And I'm not the only one who thinks so.

link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

The governments of U.K and the Netherlands are still unsure what measures they should take in order to tackle the virus,  they are probably betting on the so-called Group immunity.

Other countries adopting the concept of a total lockdown, that will make sure fewer people become infected.
Both scenarios are scary and no one know how will this crisis end

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 19, 04:52 PM 2020The governments of U.K and the Netherlands are still unsure what measures they should take in order to tackle the virus,  they are probably betting on the so-called Group immunity.

The virus can't be stopped until a vaccine is developed. The point of the measures is to flatten the curve so that the peak doesn't overwhelm the health service.

That's right joe, you think bush really thought saddam had nukes, and that he had ties to osama.

Straw man. You're really good at them, Steve.

Straw man = no good response

It’s a big failure for the politics not only in the U.S but overall the world.

The Chinese repeatedly warned that the virus to be taken seriously but no one listened.

The US president said  “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

Btw. Online casino are booming
Before corona, an online roulette table had max 200 players, today the same table has up to 400 players...

Don't waste time playing online

I cant play in real casino. They are closed!   :twisted:

Tucker Carlson: The coronavirus pandemic was avoidable. China hid the truth about it from the beginning

link:s://:.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-coronavirus-pandemic-china-hid-truth

The Chinese Virus could have largely been avoided if it wasn't for communism/socialism.  Absolutely disgusting. 

Fortunately here in the US we have one of the greatest presidents ever taking charge and doing what's necessary despite having been handed a system that was broken, and poorly prepared because of the previous administration.  MAGA!   

I miss noodles.

Steve,

I can't send my commentary since it's using ''forbidden words''.  It's rather standard level wording so I dunno...

So I'll put it as an image.  Just tell me which word is not ok.  I really wonder!

It's the reference to "phar*a" (add the "m") because it's a very common spam phrase.

Ok, I shall improve my language...

Whatabout ''PHARTA''

I think besides the health crisis, there is another serious crisis which is financial.

Why governments don’t start printing money to assist people and companies that are affected by the lockdown ?

Is it because the inflation ? But I ask myself if the crisis lasts long, how can the economy survive ?

Yes I suspect bigger financial issues are going to be blamed on the coronavirus, when in fact things were already headed down shit creek. It's a convenient excuse. The major problem isnt health related at all.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 19, 05:13 PM 2020Straw man = no good response

First understand what straw man means.

QuoteThat's right joe, you think bush really thought saddam had nukes, and that he had ties to osama.

Where exactly did I say that?  ::)

Quote from: The General on Mar 19, 07:37 PM 2020The Chinese Virus could have largely been avoided if it wasn't for communism/socialism.  Absolutely disgusting. 

Yes, there has to be some one to blame. Communists, the Russians, the Lizard people, God... take your pick.  ::)

Quote from: The General on Mar 17, 10:47 PM 2020I believe the virus was another byproduct of communism.   Starving citizens willing to eat anything become infected with the virus.

That's such a BS argument. China may be communist but it's also an aggressively capitalist country. There are far poorer countries in the world, why not blame them?

Joe, you've really got no idea and i dont have the time.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 20, 05:21 AM 2020
That's such a BS argument. China may be communist but it's also an aggressively capitalist country. There are far poorer countries in the world, why not blame them?

95% percent of the cases world wide of the Wuhan Chinese Corona Virus could have been prevented if it wasn't for the communist cover-up. 

Now some are considering sanctions for the cover up and cost to the world.

link:s://:.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/amp/

Quote from: Joe on Mar 20, 05:21 AM 2020There are far poorer countries in the world, why not blame them?

Did it start in other countries?

Joe isn't thinking straight lately.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 20, 06:12 AM 2020
Joe, you've really got no idea and i dont have the time.

= no good response.  ;)

Quote from: Steve on Mar 20, 07:23 AM 2020Did it start in other countries?

The general's argument was that because some Chinese are starving (due to communism), they have to resort to eating bats, which caused the virus. Even if that were true (and it likely isn't), my point, which it seems you fail to have grasped, is that there are plenty of other (non-communist) countries in which people eat 'unusual' animals because they're poor. The fact that it didn't start in any of those countries, but China, is no proof that communism is to blame. I'm not the one who's not thinking clearly, you are.

I'm no fan of communism, but it's weird how many americans are fixated and neurotic about it. The general's bias is clearly showing here, and Donny hasn't helped.

link:s://:.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-coronavirus-chinese-virus-photograph-racism_n_5e73eaa4c5b6f5b7c54130a5?ri18n=true

Quote from: The General on Mar 20, 07:16 AM 202095% percent of the cases world wide of the Wuhan Chinese Corona Virus could have been prevented if it wasn't for the communist cover-up.

Now some are considering sanctions for the cover up and cost to the world.

That's a completely different argument from saying that Communism caused the virus. I agree that if they hadn't covered it up the virus wouldn't have spread as quickly as it has, and that was all about lack of transparency, which of course is a feature of communism. So I agree, up to a point.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 20, 09:32 AM 2020
That's a completely different argument from saying that Communism caused the virus. I agree that if they hadn't covered it up the virus wouldn't have spread as quickly as it has, and that was all about lack of transparency, which of course is a feature of communism. So I agree, up to a point.

And you agree that the Wuhan Virus started in China?

Yes of course.

Most pandemics begin in China

Most stem from bats

Why? I don’t know. But Chinese people eat bats

If this is true then how many times does this have to happen before they learn?

Bats have strong immune systems. The viruses need to mutate to attack the bat. When we get it it’s a super virus



link:s://:.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-sars-bats-animals-to-humans-2020-1

(link:s://:.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-sars-bats-animals-to-humans-2020-1)

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 20, 01:26 PM 2020
Most pandemics begin in China

Most stem from bats

Why? I don’t know. But Chinese people eat bats

If this is true then how many times does this have to happen before they learn?

Bats have strong immune systems. The viruses need to mutate to attack the bat. When we get it it’s a super virus



link:s://:.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-sars-bats-animals-to-humans-2020-1

(link:s://:.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-sars-bats-animals-to-humans-2020-1)

so if the virus is from bat, the solution is also in the bat, right?
why don't they analyze the bat's immune reaction ?

Latest vid from PJW.   :)

Doesn’t matter where it started the world needs to pull together and the Chinese population shouldn’t be blamed becouse of the minority at the top..
The average person in that situation have lost loved ones
What they eat is a way of life for them like other countries Big Mac and fries..
Show some empathy and don’t tar all the Chinese with the same brush..
They are people with names and families like yourselves

The people at the top are responsible not the those poor citizens who have to live  they way they live..my heart goes out to them and the rest of the people who have lost loved ones through this ..blaming and racial anger against the Chinese will not help

Empathy for your fellow humankind is a better option

TIL when you have sociopathic tendencies, everyone who preach and lecture empathy and compassion for the poor and misfortunate fellows on the internet seems like virtue signaling and fake.
Real man lead by setting good example.

Who else is betting this is all leading to financial meltdown, then ultimately a global digital currency? It will seem like a good idea, but its a Trojan horse for greater enslavement.

I bet my balls on it. I only bet my balls if im sure. I still have both of them.

Take a look at the laws they've rushed through in preparation.

For example, the $10k cash ban here. 10k+ transaction in cash can mean 2 years jail.  Wtf??

Bank bail in laws. Your funds will be stolen to pay failing banks, who failed for any reason.

Negative interest rates. Now you pay banks extra, instead of you getting paid interest.

Printing a trillion in cash, so you're worth even less.

There's more. Its on the edge of collapse.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 22, 04:45 AM 2020Who else is betting this is all leading to financial meltdown, then ultimately a global digital currency?

The swedish government has already prepared for "e-krona" that is, Digital currency...(that was even before the corona virus fear mongering)..so they sure knew what what goin on/going to happen... suprise? no..:S

link:s://:.riksbank.se/en-gb/payments--cash/e-krona/ (link:s://:.riksbank.se/en-gb/payments--cash/e-krona/)

Yes it has been planned for ages. Just needs the right crisis.

Strange times. I have no idea where it's going.

I look at both the stock and the crypto market, and all I see is potential for investment. If things were to go back to normal, it doesn't matter what you invest in now, because everything (that won't go bust) will go up. Even the company I work for lost about 85% of its value in 1 month. I could buy shares now and if the company survives and recovers, maybe I could 5X my money within a reasonable time. Too bad I'm broke, so any gain would have no affect on my life.
Oil could also be a good bet. There is no way the price won't go back to over $50 a barrel.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 22, 05:27 AM 2020Yes it has been planned for ages. Just needs the right crisis.

Steve, I bet you're a real hoot at dinner parties.  :yawn:

Is anyone here living in a (self) quarantine?
It's my 5th day at home alone, it gets boring sometimes. Would be nice to live in a house with a garden now. I don't have much space to walk around in a tiny one bedroom apartment.  :twisted:
I'm still allowed to go out, but better safe than sorry. Even though the number of infected growing at almost an exponential rate, many people just don't care. Some cashiers in the local grocery store wear zero protection, and less than 10% of the people wear face masks or gloves.

Ati, where do you live?

Again joe, you've got no idea.

We don't really have dinner parties. And most of my friends are already educated enough to understand the world isnt all rainbows and unicorns, so i dont need to break their hearts explaining reality.

Perhaps you and your friends think things like cash bans and bank bail-in laws are a great thing. The banks and laws are in our best interests, right? QE is also awesome for us,  right?

It's funny you follow PJW who would tell you much the same thing as I do.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Joe on Mar 22, 06:32 AM 2020
Ati, where do you live?

In Budapest. There aren't many cases here, but that's most likely because they do very few tests. They don't test anyone without symptoms even if they were in contact with an infected person. Also, the infected people are simply sent home from the hospital to wait for the results, and many of them are using public transport.  :o

Quote from: Steve on Mar 22, 06:32 AM 2020Perhaps you and your friends think things like cash bans and bank bail-in laws are a great thing. The banks and laws are in our best interests, right? QE is also awesome for us,  right?

There have been no cash bans here, so maybe it's an Aussie thing. The banks are businesses like any other so want to make a profit - deal with it. I trust in democracy, capitalism, and the free market, meaning that if you don't like it you can go elsewhere.

We are living in exceptional times at the moment, so governments are taking unprecedented measures, but your attitude is that it's all deliberate somehow and there there is a global coordinated malevolent force (but you never say who it is) behind it all, whose aim is to steal our resources and crush us into subservience. It's laughable really.

QuoteIt's funny you follow PJW who would tell you much the same thing as I do.

PJW's earlier stuff was much more about conspiracies theories than it is now. He's matured, but like I said, is still biased at times and clearly has an agenda. I don't think he would sign up to your extreme paranoia though, maybe 10 years ago perhaps, but not now. I'm sympathetic to the anti political correctness/anti far left aspect of his vids. He can be quite perceptive about society in general, and he's just funny. 

Quote from: ati on Mar 22, 06:43 AM 2020Also, the infected people are simply sent home from the hospital to wait for the results, and many of them are using public transport.

Are people panic buying and stockpiling in Budapest? This video has been shown on the national news here and the government has urged people to calm down because there are no shortages. The situation has been created purely from people's selfishness and stupidity.

Joe, you're in for a big shock. Don't argue. Just wait. Although it's already happening. Its not theory. If you aren't smart enough to see it all around you now, perhaps you'll never see it.

PJW isnt into conspiracies theories. Hes into provable fact, as am I. Don't you understand he's not being funny? He's serious.

Dont let ego get in the way here. Or you'll just harm yourself. It seems you argue more for ego and to appear right.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 22, 07:25 AM 2020PJW isnt into conspiracies theories. Hes into provable fact, as am I. Don't you understand he's not being funny? He's serious.

His focus has shifted from conspiracy theories.

QuoteWatson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones. As editor-at-large of Jones' website InfoWars he helped promote fake news[13] and advocated conspiracy theories such as the claim 9/11 was a government cover-up, the chemtrail conspiracy theory, and the New World Order.[1] Subsequently reaching a significant audience, both Watson and Jones altered their focus. Presently their commentary is mainly focused on criticizing feminism, Islam, and left-wing politics.[14]

-- Wikipedia

You misunderstand me; when I said he is funny, I mean his videos are entertaining. You're being naive if you think he's doing this purely for altruistic reasons or to 'save us'. I'm not saying he isn't sincere, but he also has to make a living and his vids are made to be entertaining for a reason. More subscribers = more income.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 22, 07:19 AM 2020
Are people panic buying and stockpiling in Budapest? This video has been shown on the national news here and the government has urged people to calm down because there are no shortages. The situation has been created purely from people's selfishness and stupidity.

Yeah, some people are, but I haven't heard of such long queues that you have in the UK. It was worse 2 or 3 weeks ago when the virus first appeared in the country. It was nearly impossible to buy flour, rice, and canned food at the time. There are still some shortages, but that is partly due to the border lock down, which made it difficult for truck drivers to deliver the products.
The government reassured everyone that they are not planning a lock down, everyone is free to travel inside the country, which reduced the panic level and things got back to almost normal.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 22, 07:39 AM 2020His focus has shifted from conspiracy theories.

You aren't paying attention.

You arent the only one. You'll know better about what's going on soon enough.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 22, 07:25 AM 2020Joe, you're in for a big shock. Don't argue. Just wait. Although it's already happening. Its not theory. If you aren't smart enough to see it all around you now, perhaps you'll never see it.

You accuse me of wearing rose-tinted glasses, but you're wearing grey-tinted glasses. A glass which is half-empty is also half-full. Everything you see seems to be negatively filtered. Such people often think they are smarter than others; rather than actually look at the evidence impartially they interpret everything through a dark prism. This makes for partial blindness because you ignore or refuse to believe alternative explanations.

Quote from: ati on Mar 22, 07:40 AM 2020The government reassured everyone that they are not planning a lock down, everyone is free to travel inside the country, which reduced the panic level and things got back to almost normal.

The panic buying has been worst in London probably because it has the largest number of cases, and because there has been speculation that it might be 'locked down' more severely than the rest of the country. I live in the west of England where there is a lot of tourism. Some hotels and holiday parks have actually been advertising that there are no cases of the virus here (not true) in an attempt to lure people to the area.  I guess I can understand it because the hospitality industry has been very hard hit, but it's irresponsible.

By the way, are you a native Hungarian? your English is excellent.

No joe, again you've got no idea. Im balanced and realistic, focused on verifiable fact. Really, im not stupid.

Good luck joe.

So you mean that the haircut is coming soon ?

Quote from: Joe on Mar 22, 08:06 AM 2020
The panic buying has been worst in London probably because it has the largest number of cases, and because there has been speculation that it might be 'locked down' more severely than the rest of the country. I live in the west of England where there is a lot of tourism. Some hotels and holiday parks have actually been advertising that there are no cases of the virus here (not true) in an attempt to lure people to the area.  I guess I can understand it because the hospitality industry has been very hard hit, but it's irresponsible.

By the way, are you a native Hungarian? your English is excellent.

Yes, I was born here. Thanks for the compliment but I make plenty of mistakes, especially when I'm tired.

The way I see it, half of the population here just carry on with their normal lives, the other half tries to stay indoors and they are strongly criticizing the government's unwillingness to introduce stricter measures to stop the virus from spreading.

Quote from: ati on Mar 22, 08:59 AM 2020
Yes, I was born here. Thanks for the compliment but I make plenty of mistakes, especially when I'm tired.

The way I see it, half of the population here just carry on with their normal lives, the other half tries to stay indoors and they are strongly criticizing the government's unwillingness to introduce stricter measures to stop the virus from spreading.

I live in the same city, but in an outer district surrounded by nature where I have plenty of opportunity to walk in the forest or exercise.
I mostly buy in bulk when food is cheap and I am reasonably self-sufficient, so I do not need to worry about doing the groceries.
I have experience with pranic eating and consciousness.
I have nothing to be afraid, but my old sickly mom is in constant fear and panic and I have to take care of and protect her.

I have plenty of cash in local currency which I want to hedge with gold, but currently there is not possible to buy gold as there is no stocks available.
I need to ask my friends in the UK to buy for me and exchange with him.

I expect the situation to be lot worse over time and partial meltdown of the economy and the full collapse of the current global financial system by 2022.
I think cryptos are not safe to buy at the moment as they will hit a deliberate crash soon.
When that happens I will buy in.

link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLKkBXc8f0

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You dont know it yet joe, you're making a fool of yourself.

And you're mixing conspiracy fact with conspiracy nonsense.

Joe, you are mixing up your typical "conspiracy theory nut head" with somebody who is conscious enough of what is going on and who has done a deep investigation. Many of the so called "conspiracy theory nut heads" are broke, and also live in fear - and clearly this is not something that categorizes Steve. You have to consider the fact that he is financially very well off and it's not like he is trying to make you believe that the earth is flat. If you are interested in the truth (over being "right" for ego reasons), then you should be open minded to the possibility that what Steve here is saying may be true.

Steve, I would appreciate it, if you could share any resources (weather it's books/videos, etc) on this topic, for those of us that want to do a deeper investigation into this.

Thanks, yes I have been studying and following it for a long time.

Exactly what part did you want resources on?

Quote from: Steve on Mar 22, 07:59 PM 2020
Thanks, yes I have been studying and following it for a long time.

Exactly what part did you want resources on?

Resources that would give me a better understanding of the banking system, the elites financial goals, and how that ties into us heading to global digital currency.

There is a lot of information on the Internet - but not all of it is reputable/true and it can be tricky when it comes to sorting out truth vs a “flat earth” type of stuff.

There is such a wide range of subjects considered ''conspiracies'' that are really easy to prove and accept.  Not every alternative theory is revolutionary.
Legends become history thanks to archeological diggings;
Secret groups are being exposed by insiders who disclose infos;
Greater understanding allows dots to connect.

Remember: history is written by the winner.  Truth is probably occulted, history gets biased, misleading if not totally invented.

I personally dove into the realm of alternative explanation thanks to my grand-mother's book shelf!  1st book: Atlantis; 2nd: Easter Island, you know, books from the 70s en vogue back in the days.  Anyway, whatever the book, the point is: reading it triggered a spark, lit a thirst for more knowledge.  Not because it felt like reading sci-fi novel, but rather because it explained better than conventional story.

So nowadays, I do not believe immediately whatever is being said on main stream medias.  I prefer searching for myself ( so no msm for me thanks).  And you know what?  Events in the world make so much sense, or better said, are so predictable, once the underlying reasons are known.  Known because of critical thinking, truth-seeking.  Think logically ( might have read this somewhere.... ::)

Quote from: winforus on Mar 22, 08:25 PM 2020
Resources that would give me a better understanding of the banking system, the elites financial goals, and how that ties into us heading to global digital currency.

There is a lot of information on the Internet - but not all of it is reputable/true and it can be tricky when it comes to sorting out truth vs a “flat earth” type of stuff.

Wide range!  As in many others, you can have the short answer and a quick proof, or you can take the long answer down the rabbit hole and dig in many directions.
But to be honest: for some subjects, you might want to read books instead of checking on internet.  Although there are cloud-shovelers among authors, you can be more certain that if the guy has gotten a book out, he probably was serious about it and made an honest work researching and gathering sources.  Whereas on internet, it can be good or it can be just a good looking show.  Still, the longer holding alternate theories on the web are the ones that were presented already in books for years/decades.  And it's so much more fun to read a book before to go asleep than to watch a screen.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 22, 08:25 PM 2020Resources that would give me a better understanding of the banking system, the elites financial goals, and how that ties into us heading to global digital currency

Properly understanding it is like a month-long course.  There are lots of videos and resources, but don't expect them all to be 100% accurate. If you go to youtube and search "how money is created" you'll find videos like these:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmJowhn3bs

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJHk77bUGo

If you want to hear it from the horses mouth, see link:s://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Modern_Money_Mechanics.pdf

Basically banks make money from nothing. They fabricate most of the money they loan you.

Despite having the ability to make money from nothing, banks can go bust (on paper), like when their speculative investments fail. So then they can be bailed out, which is where the government (actually us tax-payers) bail out the banks. In numerous countries, it's now law. People here got angry about it, so now they changed the law to be called "bail in". What's the difference? Bail in means they can steal money directly from your account.

In Australia, the banks can now even steal part of your retirement fund.

A great resource for Australias is this channel:
link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCzwmB2wn8Slp3hko2Gpj2iA

It's not just Australia. It's all over the world there are similar draconian laws. The push is coming from the International Monetary Fund to pass these laws.

If you want to know more, start on youtube BUT there is a lot of crap too. Only believe what is backed up by credible information you can verify. For example, the PDF above is from the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

If you believe whatever you're told, without verification, you'll be easily misled.

Here's part of it:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksw-arKvMPk

They've been pushing microchipping for a while. The latest attempt in the US for clearly rejected, for now.

This is a global thing. It's not for just one country. They'll push the agenda in whatever country they can.

It's not really about convenience. It's about total control. Some would say it's about reptilian aliens. I have no proof of that. Maybe it's true, maybe not. It's important to keep things down to Earth, focusing on what we can see and prove.

There are people who even say the Queen of England is a shapeshifting alien. Same case here. Until I see it for myself, I wont believe that. I'm not saying it is or isn't true. But where's the proof? I think there's enough evidence to support these elites deliberately spread crazy conspiracy crap to detract from the real conspiracies. This throws people like Joe off the track from real conspiracies.

I've been following this most of my life. Like everyone i'm still learning.

It's real. It's happening. It's all around us. It's not something that's going to happen eventually. It's happening right now.

Steve, seems you're into it quite a bit!  Good to see some ppl are able to think for themselves.

Tell me: ever heard of Q?  If so, what do you think?

These guys also have a good understanding of what's happening in Australia. Again it's not just Australia. It's going on everywhere. These changes come from the International Monetary Fund. The global financial system is GLOBAL.

link:s://citizensparty.org.au/anz-changes-deposit-tcs-would-facilitate-bail

Basically the Australian banks all changed their terms of service to allow them to screw us over, without any consequence to them. Why would they all make these changes to their terms of service? They know what's coming.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 22, 09:56 PM 2020Tell me: ever heard of Q?

I dont know much about Q. I think it's an underground community of people who are "in the know" of what's happening, in positions of power, and are opposed to NWO plan. It might be related to the sealed indictments initiated by Trump. Again I dont really know enough about it.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 22, 05:21 PM 2020You dont know it yet joe, you're making a fool of yourself.

And you're mixing conspiracy fact with conspiracy nonsense.

So I'm 'making a fool of myself' for showing how to distinguish real conspiracies from false ones? People should use that checklist to make up their own minds, and not get lost down the conspiracy theory rabbit-hole. Several points on the list apply to the claims you're making, and you keep referring to 'they' without saying who 'they' are. It's all very vague and general; I haven't seen any hard evidence, just paranoia.

Yes you're making a fool of yourself. I'm not the one with problems here Joe. Youd best do your research before accusing me of being the slow one. Start with something simple: banking.

Dont make it personal. You've got a while to go. Dont put wanting to be right before the truth.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 22, 06:40 PM 2020Joe, you are mixing up your typical "conspiracy theory nut head" with somebody who is conscious enough of what is going on and who has done a deep investigation. Many of the so called "conspiracy theory nut heads" are broke, and also live in fear - and clearly this is not something that categorizes Steve. You have to consider the fact that he is financially very well off and it's not like he is trying to make you believe that the earth is flat.

Belief in conspiracy theories is prevalent across all social and economic groups, although the more educated are less prone to believing in them. And how do you know that Steve is well off? This is the internet, we can all claim whatever we like. I've noticed though that his advertising has become more aggressive lately;  pop-ups all over the place on the forum.

Believing in conspiracy theories is not harmless.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 08:57 AM 2020Believing in conspiracy theories is not harmless.

Not seeing reality is more harmful.

Again we're not talking about flat earth, joe.

If you really believe in fairies, or that criminals dont exist in high places, good luck there.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 23, 08:49 AM 2020Youd best do your research before accusing me of being the slow one. Start with something simple: banking.

If I do my own research I'll find no conspiracy, so that won't help. You need to show which facts you think support a conspiracy, then we can evaluate them.

Jesus, joe, it's right in your face. Start with banking. Or maybe you really think qe is fair and ok. That's even worse.

You're just on the back foot, more concerned with appearing right than actually being right. Again don't make it personal.

It's possible that the banks in Australia deserve more criticism than in other countries.

link:s://:.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/03/banking-industry-found-to-be-an-oligopoly-that-exploits-its-customers

Yes, banks are worthy of a lot of criticism; they were largely responsible for the financial crisis. But you believe that this is a global conspiracy. In your opinion, who is behind it?

Quote from: Steve on Mar 23, 09:03 AM 2020You're just on the back foot, more concerned with appearing right than actually being right. Again don't make it personal.

No, you're the one who's making it personal by accusing me of being more concerned about being right. Attack the message, not the messenger.

If you want to know more, start with my suggestions. There's enough there to get you started.

Don't be the type of person who doesn't see it even when it hits their face.

If you think the banks act honestly and are open with the customers about their legal theft, and that its not a conspiracy, then god help you. Because that's the simple part. Still theres a lot of research to understand the imf and the banking cartel.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 23, 09:27 AM 2020If you think the banks act honestly and are open with the customers about their legal theft, and that its not a conspiracy, then god help you.

Vague. Actually I think we may be arguing at cross-purposes. Maybe you don't really think there's a 'conspiracy' at all because it seems like you're criticizing oligarchies. For example, the USA isn't really a democracy but an oligarchy. Or maybe you're just criticizing globalizing in general. I'm critical of it too.

If it's so obvious and I'm so stupid for not seeing it, why is the evidence for a conspiracy not obvious? You can't have it both ways.

Conspiracy : a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

If it's all so obvious, what is the 'secret' and who is the group?

Thank you Steve for sharing all of this and for the resources that you provided.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 08:57 AM 2020
And how do you know that Steve is well off? This is the internet, we can all claim whatever we like. I've noticed though that his advertising has become more aggressive lately;  pop-ups all over the place on the forum.

How ironic, is that you are the one that is creating a conspiracy theory here now. You think that the Roulette computers he is selling is all fake, or that it's not the guy who is typing under the name "Steve" here? And all of this time he just been lying? You can do a little research + use common sense in order to see that it's not made up. What kind of advertising he does is totally irrelevant to how well off he is or he is not.

You are both intellectually lazy + ignorant.

Your Ego seems to be too invested into defending your position and battling "conspiracy theorists". No different than the "conspiracy theory nut head", or a "religious" nut head or a "scientific rationalist nuthead".

The problem, is that you are not interested in truth. You are interested in being right and defending an identity that you created for yourself. You are not open-minded (as you like to think that you are).

This was all lab created virus same old bull shit.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 23, 11:08 AM 2020How ironic, is that you are the one that is creating a conspiracy theory here now. You think that the Roulette computers he is selling is all fake, or that it's not the guy who is typing under the name "Steve" here? And all of this time he just been lying? You can do a little research + use common sense in order to see that it's not made up. What kind of advertising he does is totally irrelevant to how well off he is or he is not.

No, that's a straw man. I'm saying that you're making assumptions. This forum is full of claims and people who promise winning systems for a price. Steve does the same, except he is selling AP, which although it does have a lot more credibility than systems, can still be a scam. Steve knows that as well as anyone, and he does have 'history'. Do your own research.

QuoteYou are both intellectually lazy + ignorant.

Your Ego seems to be too invested into defending your position and battling "conspiracy theorists". No different than the "conspiracy theory nut head", or a "religious" nut head or a "scientific rationalist nuthead".

The problem, is that you are not interested in truth. You are interested in being right and defending an identity that you created for yourself. You are not open-minded (as you like to think that you are).

Like I said, attack the message, not the messenger. Attacking the messenger and indulging in fallacies is the real intellectual laziness, because it's so easy.

In fact I've just said that Steve and I could be arguing at cross-purposes, so in fact neither of us are 'right'. It could have just been a misunderstanding and failure to clarify the term 'conspiracy'.

The fact remains that there are a huge number of absurd conspiracy theories and we all have to learn how to identify 'fake news'.

 

Quote from: Winner on Mar 23, 11:28 AM 2020This was all lab created virus same old bull shit.

So you're saying the virus was created in a lab?  :yawn:

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 11:37 AM 2020
No, that's a straw man. I'm saying that you're making assumptions. This forum is full of claims and people who promise winning systems for a price. Steve does the same, except he is selling AP, which although it does have a lot more credibility than systems, can still be a scam. Steve knows that as well as anyone, he does have 'history'. Do your own research.

Again with your "straw man" bullshit.  I have done my research,  to know that the Steve's 'history' that you are mentioning here was fake bs, that was spread by a competitor of his.

The fact that you haven't even figured that out - tells me once again that you are both intellectually lazy and ignorant.

There is no miscommunication here. The difference between you and Steve - is that you are being ideological. And you prioritize (unconsciously) defending your position over Truth.

You have been doing exact same thing with the idea of precognition, until the very end you rightfully agreed to investigate it yourself.

It is very hard to have a reasonable conversation with somebody who is being ideological.

Telling you that you are not interested in truth, but that you are interested in being "right" and defending your position - is NOT attacking the messenger.  You are simply not conscious of this - and at this point, it will take a shift in awareness in order for you to realize this.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 11:39 AM 2020

So you're saying the virus was created in a lab?  :yawn:

100  %

Quote from: winforus on Mar 23, 11:51 AM 2020Again with your "straw man" bullshit.

You obviously don't know what 'straw man' means. It means misrepresenting someone else's view or argument in a way which makes it easy to attack.

QuoteYou think that the Roulette computers he is selling is all fake, or that it's not the guy who is typing under the name "Steve" here? And all of this time he just been lying?

I didn't say any of those things. But it's easier to pretend that I did, right? Then you can attack me.

QuoteSteve's 'history' that you are mentioning here was fake bs, that was spread by a competitor of his.

Nope. Ask Steve, he'll tell you it's true.

QuoteTelling you that you are not interested in truth, but that you are interested in being "right" and defending your position - is NOT attacking the messenger.

lol, what is it attacking, then? You're not attacking my statements or arguments, but me.

Quote from: Winner on Mar 23, 12:01 PM 2020100  %

Nope.

link:s://:.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

Relax, you can take off your tin foil hat.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 12:06 PM 2020
Nope.

link:s://:.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

Relax, you can take off your tin foil hat.
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You need to dig deeper than that  my boy.

Quote from: Winner on Mar 23, 12:12 PM 2020You need to dig deeper than that  my boy.

LOL, yes, I need to keep digging until I find a site which supports my paranoia. You obviously haven't read or understood any of my posts on this subject, have you?

Here is a fact for those that don’t know any better .
I have friend from Rwanda she came from a big family ,she shared her life story with me .
Her parents were both killed and brothers a sisters had to flee lost contact until 10 years later she found one of her siblings  , being the oldest girl she escaped with her two sisters to Cameroon had to learn the language quick so she would not be caught, traveling with her were her two younger sisters. There safe now .
She shared something that was eye opening , lab testing was down on a lot of here people back in Africa and they would say that these medicines were for there health and vaccines to help with virus they were uneducated and a lot of them died for the sake of being lab Rats for these evil MF so make sure to get really informed before believing Fake News .

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 12:19 PM 2020
LOL, yes, I need to keep digging until I find a site which supports my paranoia. You obviously haven't read or understood any of my posts on this subject, have you?

Don’t care to read any of your post .good bye

Quote from: Winner on Mar 23, 12:30 PM 2020Don’t care to read any of your post .good bye

lol, that's really open-minded of you. You're sure to get to the truth that way.

link:s://:.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

QuoteOur analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.

Don't tell me, 'Nature' is biased and in on the conspiracy too.  :yawn:

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 12:05 PM 2020

lol, what is it attacking, then? You're not attacking my statements or arguments, but me.

Regarding the computers - this was a rhetorical question or whatever you want to call it, and not a stated fact. I brought up those questions as examples - as what you said was totally ridiculous.

It is you who is interpreting it as an "attack". I am not even "arguing" here with you, nor I am viewing what you wrote as "arguments".

We are operating from two completely different paradigms. Until you start to question your own paradigm - you will be stuck, and you will never be able to see things beyond your paradigm.

You can take it any way you want, but as I already mentioned, you are being very ideological - you are interested in winning arguments over learning and figuring out what is true.

I will no longer continue this discussion with you. I am far more interested in what Steve and others here have to say, and to continue doing my investigation on the topics that were brought up here.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=KCtkYZeQ7Oo

About central banks.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 23, 12:53 PM 2020Regarding the computers - this was a rhetorical question or whatever you want to call it, and not a stated fact. I brought up those questions as examples - as what you said was totally ridiculous.

I wasn't talking about Steve's computers or his competitors, but his conviction for fraud.

Quoteyou are being very ideological - you are interested in winning arguments over learning and figuring out what is true.

The motivation or source of the argument isn't relevant to the content of the argument, so even if you were correct, it wouldn't detract from my arguments. In order to refute the argument you must address the actual argument itself, not where it comes from. This is called the genetic fallacy (link:s://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic) and is another example of attacking the messenger, not the message.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 01:16 PM 2020
The motivation or source of the argument isn't relevant to the content of the argument, so even if you were correct, it wouldn't detract from my arguments. In order to refute the argument you must address the actual argument itself, not where it comes from. This is called the genetic fallacy (link:s://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic) and is another example of attacking the messenger, not the message.

This clearly confirms my point. You are too consumed in arguing and being right - you are not interested in what is true. You are completely locked to your paradigm and unable to really understand what I said here and why I am saying it.

It is impossible to have a discussion with someone, when your intent is completely different.

Ideology is the opposite of Truth. Any form of ideology.  Until you drop it - you will be stuck.  Good luck, you are going to need it (it requires a lot of work).

Steve, what are your thoughts on bitcoin currently? Would this be a good time to buy more BTC for long-term hold? (not at this moment exactly, but during this period).

And does crypto play any role into the world being headed to global digital currency?

Quote from: winforus on Mar 23, 03:05 PM 2020
Steve, what are your thoughts on bitcoin currently? Would this be a good time to buy more BTC for long-term hold? (not at this moment exactly, but during this period).

And does crypto play any role into the world being headed to global digital currency?

Bitcoin is a fools currency.

bitcoin is a peoples currency out of the banks hands...agree the second time with Steve...
i,ve been into this for years...joe i,ll just say it plain and simple..your a muppet and a sheep

do your own research like steve and me.. cannot break all those years down into a simple statement

sometimes people like yourself will only believe when it smacks you in the face and send you on your backside...then and only then will you believe...

steve is talking to a brick wall with you..

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 09:40 AM 2020If it's so obvious and I'm so stupid for not seeing it, why is the evidence for a conspiracy not obvious?

Because you're being lazy and not actually studying what I published. If you did further research, you'd understand the history of the banking laws, and how they've been pushed and passed. You're trying to pass it off as "bad policy" rather than "conspiracy" because:

1. You're more concerned about appearing right than the truth, and
2. You haven't done the research, so don't understand you're the flat earther here.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 09:40 AM 2020If it's all so obvious, what is the 'secret' and who is the group?

Again, you haven't even seen the material I published. Can you see a problem arguing with someone who just wants to argue, and isn't actually interested in verifiable fact?

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 11:37 AM 2020No, that's a straw man

You're using this term incorrectly. And you're using it in attempt to refute valid points, because you're not understanding the point being made. Plus it's an easy vague response like "yeah right".

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 11:37 AM 2020No, that's a straw man. I'm saying that you're making assumptions. This forum is full of claims and people who promise winning systems for a price. Steve does the same, except he is selling AP, which although it does have a lot more credibility than systems, can still be a scam. Steve knows that as well as anyone, and he does have 'history'.

You're suggesting I have "history of scamming" and that it makes it more likely that my computers are a scam. Again Joe, don't make it personal. It's what people do when they don't have better points.

But let's clarify this point, as I have many times:

Over 20 years ago when I was 21 years old, I was involved in the stock market and publicly stated a company’s stock price would increase by about +900%. The judge thought it was absurd, and I was sentenced to 3 months in prison. Later, my predictions came true and the stock price increased by +1,500% but it was too late. I was right about the price increase, but I unintentionally published information about the company which wasn’t accurate. I was charged with “recklessly publishing inaccurate information”. What I did was a honest mistake and victim-less crime. I did not cheat anyone out of money as other people want you to believe. Anyone who followed my “illegal” advice would have made a fortune.

I have never scammed or cheated anyone. I'm as honest as people get. But none of this is relevant.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 11:37 AM 2020Like I said, attack the message, not the messenger. Attacking the messenger and indulging in fallacies is the real intellectual laziness, because it's so easy.

How ironic you'd say this.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 11:37 AM 2020In fact I've just said that Steve and I could be arguing at cross-purposes, so in fact neither of us are 'right'. It could have just been a misunderstanding and failure to clarify the term 'conspiracy'.

My definition of a conspiracy (in the context of bankers) is a bunch of c*nts who have operated secretly to pass laws so they can legally steal from us, and act like they're all innocent. But it goes much deeper and on many levels. You don't understand it because you havent done the research. If you had done the research, you'd better understand why you're making a fool of yourself. So get off your ass, do research instead of pointlessly arguing about it.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 11:37 AM 2020The fact remains that there are a huge number of absurd conspiracy theories and we all have to learn how to identify 'fake news'.

Again Joe, we're not talking about flat earth. Verification is important. I've already made this clear. That's why I published the document from the central bank. It's really barely the tip of the iceberg though. Only you're not bothering to educate yourself.

Reagrding whether or not the virus was man made: maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. You posted what you feel is proof it wasn't. Realistically, neither you or I understand exactly what it means. We're not biologists. Ther are also opposing viewpoints, from biologists, who say it was engineered. So what's the truth? We don't know. Anything is possible.

And as I said art the beginning, it's possible that it was released on purpose. Why? For many reasons. Here's two:

1. There's ample evidence to support claims that specific groups have planned to use biological warfare (like a disease) to further their power. Joe, you're stuck on simple banking and "QE", so I wont get into this.

2. The protests in Hong Kong were tearing the region apart.

For those of you who don't know, see this:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=6_RdnVtfZPY

This was half way through last year. Then fast forward to the end of last year, and the protests were still going.

The situation was totally screwed. The people in Hong Kong weren't giving up. The government wasn't listening to the people. The police just followed orders. It was becoming real civil WAR.

So then what happened?... Coronavirus.

And that cleared up the protests rather quickly.

Did you also notice IRAN was hit badly by Coronavirus? Isn't that a region the "elite" have long sought control over? Much like Iraq, although with Iraq they just did the whole "he has WMDs and supports Osama - let's get him" thing (which was complete bullshit).  Anyone with a brain knew that after Iraq, Iran was next.

If the people in Hong Kong won, and the government actually did what the people wanted, it would open the gates to the governments losing even more power. not just in China and Hong Kong, but the rest of the world.

Keep in mind this isn't exactly a government "conspiracy". The government is a tool, and there are key people in power.

So is Coronavirus deliberate? It's possible. But as yet there's no smoking gun. I'm personally leaning more towards it being deliberate. At the very least, it is certainly being exploited. And I fully expect the global financial meltdown to be blamed on Coronavirus, when the reality is it was already in peril. And in place of the financial system will be likely is a global digital currency. Why do I say this? Because it has been a major plan of the elite for a long time.

Is it conspiracy "theory"? No. It's fact. And to know this, you need only do proper research. The people who say "there's no convincing proof" just haven't done the research. So they sit in their armchair clueless.

I'm not saying it's "fact" that coronavirus is deliberate. I'm saying it's fact that specific groups have been conspiring to do this kind of thing, to further their power.

You can argue otherwise, if you arent properly educated on it. The justification to refute it is often there's lots of "fake news" and "wacky conspiracy theories". It's a retarded argument, because it rejects real conspiracies, just because some people believe in flat Earth.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 23, 01:16 PM 2020The motivation or source of the argument isn't relevant to the content of the argument, so even if you were correct, it wouldn't detract from my arguments. In order to refute the argument you must address the actual argument itself, not where it comes from. This is called the genetic fallacy and is another example of attacking the messenger, not the message.

Don't get all high and mighty. Your logic is screwed up. Your arrogance has made you ignorant. You act knowledgable but are clueless.

Quote from: winforus on Mar 23, 03:05 PM 2020Steve, what are your thoughts on bitcoin currently? Would this be a good time to buy more BTC for long-term hold? (not at this moment exactly, but during this period).

Bitcoin as an IDEA of decentralized currency is a good idea.

But the technology is far from what it needs to be, because:

1. The miners are the new bankers. It's not properly decentralized.

2. The price is so heavily manipulated. It is mostly being used as a global trading scam. The same thing happens on the stock market, but to less of a degree.

3. The underlying technology is poor. It's slow, clumsy, and uses a ridiclulous amount of electricity - which is supposed to make cheating the system more difficult. But it incorrectly assumes all computers have around the same computing power. All it takes to ruin Bitcoin is one quantum computer.

4. Most people think it's semi-private, because your name isnt attached to transactions or wallets. When in fact, Bitcoin is a privacy nightmare. Combined with Metadata from ISPs, governments can easily see exactly who transacts with and associates with who. It doesn't matter even if you use proxies or VPNs. Most people don't have the technical knowledge to understand it.

There's more. So as Bitcoin currently is, it's not good. But the idea of decentralized and privacy currency is a great idea, and it will play a major role especially over the next 10-20 years.

It would not surprise me if Bitcoin was kind of a trojan horse. If it doesn't change, other currencies will become dominant.

Quote from: The General on Mar 23, 03:43 PM 2020Bitcoin is a fools currency.

It is for the reasons I explained, not for the reasons you probably think.

If you think the idea of Bitcoin is for fools, then you'd also need to understand what money in your bank account is, how it's created, and manipulated by central banks.

I have no doubt digital currency will replace cash. You know already almost all money is just numbers on computers. What makes cryptocurrencies different is those numbers are distributed accross many computers, not controlled by a central authority. This makes it more resistant to corruption and fraud. But cryptos need further development. They'll get there eventually without any doubt.

Well said Steve agree myself on everything you said

Got this new conspiracy theory I just made up about CoronaVirus!

Some say it comes from bats, but check this out:
"Corona" has the same letters as "Racoon".

So y'all better feel guilty, you racoon-eating monsters!

There are way tooooooo many conspiracies in this thread. 

My prediction

Realistically within the next 14 days I predict large sections of the US will opened back up and 30 days from tomorrow the entire country should be back up and running, including most casinos.  Business as usual with a few exceptions.  Many schools will remain closed until fall.

This pandemic is not the end of the world.  It's also not the worse pandemic in the past 100 years.  Not even close!
(Look back at Polio in the 1950s.) 

The death rate will fall to around .7%, mainly among the disgusting smokers and the elderly. 

(link:s://media.makeameme.org/created/chill.jpg)

Yeeeaah, once secret ops are done things will open again.

Italy has a 9% death rate, do you believe this?

Racoons will be just memory

In Australia there have only been seven deaths in total. No one has died since last Thursday. This morning I heard we only have 30 people in intensive care. Sure, confirmed cases are going up, but every day that goes by without more deaths is significant (a more tangible measure than people in intensive care, which would be hard to get an accurate reading on given all the hysteria). They're developing treatments in Melbourne and Brisbane which have shown good results. I wonder if they're quiety distributing these to patients in intensive care?

If it continues this way, then within another couple of weeks it will be hard to convince people the crisis is real and present. I know we can't just go back to normal, but perhaps a slow wind back of the worst restrictions....

jono

My prediction is the same for now. The real impact will be financial. I don't expect we'll understand the real impact until later.

At the end of 2020 Influenza will have killed exponentially more people than the Chinese Cornavirus.

And so will have hamburgers. The main issue is not health.

Steve, I can't be bothered to reply to your sophistries any more. You certainly work hard at repetition and brainwashing, but if people carefully read the actual content (which is weak), they will see through it if they're intelligent enough.

Good luck.

Quote from: The General on Mar 23, 11:17 PM 2020At the end of 2020 Influenza will have killed exponentially more people than the Chinese Cornavirus.

Perhaps, but only if and because measures have been taken.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 23, 07:18 PM 2020Got this new conspiracy theory I just made up about CoronaVirus!

Some say it comes from bats, but check this out:
"Corona" has the same letters as "Racoon".

So y'all better feel guilty, you racoon-eating monsters!

You may laugh, but a lot of conspiracy theories aren't much better.

I don't blame the governments for these extreme measures. Sure it ruins the economies, but I think people need to understand that this virus is extremely contagious. And despite of the hard effort to keep it under control, the number of cases grow exponentially. The first 100K cases took over a month, the last 100K only took 4 days. And the actual numbers are much higher than what the official charts are showing.

Without the quarantines and the lock downs, I suspect that there could be tens or even hundreds of millions infected by now. Let's say the mortality rate would be only 3% percent, which would be extremely optimistic considering that there would be no hospitals and doctors for that many patients, the death toll could be in the tens of millions.

I agree. And I don't believe the damage to the economy will be as bad as the doomsayers predict. It's not happening for the same reasons as the 2008 financial crisis; most economies are in good shape and this will be a temporary blip in the scheme of things as long as it's handled sensibly.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 24, 04:00 AM 2020You certainly work hard at repetition and brainwashing

Actually, I work hard at explaining reality. Not everyone "gets it". Some even think its a brainwashing conspiracy.

Quote from: Joe on Mar 24, 04:00 AM 2020if people carefully read the actual content (which is weak), they will see through it if they're intelligent enough

I think you'll find the majority of people here see you have the problem. And if there's any doubt, they can start with proof like documents from the Federal Reserve. By your "standards", that's "weak content". Right?

Nobody can win an argument with someone who's more concerned with appearing right, than the actual truth. But I'm not trying to win any argument. I've been trying to share what I've found.

Nevertheless, good luck to you too. I hope you eventually wake up.

I do not know what to make of this whole thing

I was laid off due to coronavirus.....only essential business can be open in NY

on one hand I have seen how bad it is...but on the other hand most people will only be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, should we destroy the economy over that?

Now here in the United States socialism is being celebrated, we are all getting $2400 a month per household plus extended and increased unemployment benefits. A 2 trillion dollar government recovery bill. That is just kicking misery down the road. Our economy will fail

All the small businesses, restaurants, gyms, barber shop, etc etc are going to fold...America is failing right now

My message to China. STOP EATING F U C K I N G bats because SARS and many coronaviruses originate in bats because they have strong immune systems so the virus must mutate to attack it

Is this the governments of the world not letting a good crisis go to waste? use it to shut everything down and destroy the economy and personal wealth?

I dont want $2400 from the government and forced on unemployment because businesses are shut down, I do not want that.....

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 25, 11:14 PM 2020should we destroy the economy over that?

Initially, I said NO.

I believe the correct answer is YES.

Because:

1. If the financial system is so fragile, it's shit. And it needs to change. Although the changes that are going to be pushed on us wont be what most of us need. But most of us wont see or understand the other options.

2. Lives and people's welfare are more important than finances. Your lives and welfare should not be about how much money you have, should it? There's a problem with the system itself. People are never going to make required changes until they're in a corner.

It is going to be hell for many people. But in the longer term, the changes will be positive. For some time before that, it's going to be shit.

RG your question is what many people are asking themselves. But I think it's the wrong question. The real question is why does a virus destroy global finances?

I predict at the end of all the carnage, the people attempting to capitalize on the crisis will have it backfire. People will become more self-sufficient.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 25, 11:14 PM 2020All the small businesses, restaurants, gyms, barber shop, etc etc are going to fold...America is failing right now

I'm sorry to hear about your situation RG.

To think positively, I think this whole situation is just temporary. So all the small businesses that had to close their doors, will be able to reopen within months. Because as soon as the virus disappears, the demand for restaurants, barber shops, travel agencies etc. will skyrocket.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 26, 01:04 AM 2020
I predict at the end of all the carnage, the people attempting to capitalize on the crisis will have it backfire. People will become more self-sufficient.

👍🏼

The USA now has more cases than China. This looks bad.  :-\

With the pace they are going, they will likely have over 200K infected in a week, and they have a quarter of the population of China. Probably this is why other countries like India were willing to order a curfew of over 1 billion people with less than a thousand cases.

Off course we can only assume that the Chinese numbers are true. They were introducing very strict measures, but their success of controlling the virus is still suspicious.

I think we're still about 3 weeks from the peak growth rate. Its still accelerating.

Stay safe everyone..

Italy's chart looks promising. They seem to have been able to flatten the curve. Every day I hope that they will report lower numbers, then other countries 1 or 2 weeks behind can hope to see the same.

This madness needs to end. My company has just announced that everyone's salary in our office will be reduced by around 5 to 10 percent.  >:( But we at least still have our jobs.

(link:s://pichost.net/i/2020/03/31/imagee74fcc327c6f4d06.png)

Based on information I've recently come accross, im convinced its all deliberate. There's no smoking gun though. Not yet.

Ati, are you in italy?

I really hope that it's getting better - although spain's graph is contradictory..

btw, 5-10 % Salary reduction is fine, here they cutting 40%!

No, luckily I'm not in Italy. I'm just checking the Italian numbers and charts, because they were the first country in Europe to hit hard by the virus, and they needed to act first. So anything that happens there, will likely happen in other countries with some delay.

I got upset by the salary cut, but I shouldn't blame the company. It's totally understandable, since our company's income is basically down to zero. We heavily rely on tourism, and we have around 20,000 employees in the EU.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 31, 09:27 AM 2020
Based on information I've recently come accross, im convinced its all deliberate. There's no smoking gun though. Not yet.

You mean that it was man made?  What is your opinion on the theory that it came from bats or from other animals?

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It could be engineered to look like it was natural, or it could be natural. I'm just leaning more towards it was all planned. There are too many things that don't add up. Everything like the media's over-hyping of it, the urgent push towards cashless and digital currency just before it all, the negative interest rates, the manipulation of statistics regarding mortality rates, the financial "crisis" being blamed on the virus, the newly found potential that it reduces fertility in males, the bullshit debt it has created like a country owes itself a debt (they printed more money from nothing, so WHO is owed the debt?), and how it all fits in. There's a lot to it and its all unfolding. There's a chance this may even lead to wars.

Like after 911, things aren't going to be the same after all this. We're just at the start of a big part, although there's been a push in this direction for a long time. Every now and then though, there's a big boost like this.

If I'm wrong about the origins, again at the very least there's no doubt about how this situation is being used to push the NWO agenda. There's absolutely no doubt about that. It's all around us.

Question is though, what are our next steps? I think it should be:

1. Rejecting totalitarian control (this wont be easy because there are many legitimately scared people, because there are legitimate reasons to be concerned, although it's hyped, and not as bad as most people think. So there will me many people in support of totalitarian control, to protect them.) The changes wont be popular, but there will be enough support from scared people. That's all governments need, even if the majority of people dont support it. Sometimes they'll make changes even if the overwhelming majority of people dont support it. It's democracy, right?

2. Pushing towards self-sufficiency. This isnt easy either, as the land is being controlled, the laws make it very difficult, and push us all into needing money. There are various levels of control that push us to keep ourselves in the system by choice.

Coronavirus test is not accurate

Malaria drug very effective against it

Figures for the seasonal flu are much much higher

H1N1 infected 1 billion people 500K did not make it, but I dont remember anything like this going on

The NWO agenda is not the only agenda that exists in this world, the resistance/alliance/white hats in the government have an agenda to.....

and this situation can be of great use

sometimes people shot themselves in the foot

we will have to wait and see

Smoking kills a LOT more, but I don't see dark and gloomy media campaigns against it, to scare us all to death. Instead I see it is OPENLY LEGAL.

And what about heart disease, or cancer? Where's the trillions in funding to fight them?

This isn't about lives or health. At all.

Something is seriously wrong here.

Quote from: amk on Apr 01, 08:15 PM 2020The NWO agenda is not the only agenda that exists in this world, the resistance/alliance/white hats in the government have an agenda to.....

Yes, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. It's a double-edge sword.

But like the house edge, there's a long term push towards one direction. This case, the push is towards unity, like how stars form from dust. So they are the ones fighting the uphill battle, not us. Most people dont see it that way though.

Any totalitarian control is unsustainable, as long as we're conscious. That's why I think inevitably the long term is in our favor. But it still requires us to take action, rather than wait.

There is no intention to stop this virus. If they wanted that, we all could be locked down in full martial law, and it could be done within a few months at most.

But instead they've opted for the slow release, with even greater damage to the economy. And who pays the bill? We do. Who ultimately benefits from the debt? Bankers, and the people behind the banks.

And still if the banks go bust (on paper), who bails them out or in? We do.

This is not at all theory. It is fact.

If everyone really knew the truth about what's going on, and what is actual law now (not just theory), there would be an overnight revolution.

In Australia they restricted us from visiting family..... but you were allowed to go to the barber for a hair cut. Is this serious about dealing with the virus?

Quote from: Steve on Apr 01, 08:47 PM 2020
And still if the banks go bust (on paper), who bails them out or in? We do.

Used to be so.  But now: indirectly it might be the people, but in between it's the central bank that bails out and charges the interests on the people.  So really the debts is owned by the central bank.  Since every single central bank in the world is a private company, who bails them if they fail?  Who's the buyer of last resort?  No one, they go bankrupt, and they can since it's a private company. 
Like this old saying: if you owe the bank 100k$ and can't repay, you have a problem.  If you owe 100 billions (trillions, you name it) and can't repay, now the bank has a problem...

Let's go from the hypothesis that the operations that are going all over the world right now are to save the world and neutralize the bad guys.  Ok.  Let's say the few people who owned the central bank are now behind bars in Guantanamo or laying 6ft under.  Who do you reimburse? Who do you pay interests to?  No one.  No longer are billions of people being bled out for the benefit of a few hundred people.  Hypothesis not implausible, on the contrary.

Obviously one can expect hyperinflation to kick in as all the created money no longer gets gobbled up by the few but circulated on the street.  But then maybe a large part of this fraudulently created money will simply be erased ( a few bites on a microchip, pixels on a screen) so it won't be that bad.  It's just a transient adaptation.  Nowadays a bread costs 4$,it might be 4000$ in a few years.  It's all relative.  How many yens in Japan to buy a bread?  How many liras in Italy did a pizza slice cost before the euro?  Even if it's a few hundred units or a few thousands, as soon as it's stabilized then it's ok.

Shit I forgot where I was going with this.  Anyway.

If the debts are erased, in place of the current financial system will be digital currency. Then I'd be looking at the debt erasure as a trojan horse, to push digital currency. Who wouldn't support having their bank loans erased? So they'll have support for it. This is one possibility. People wont be considering what total cashless society will mean.

One potential solution for us is cryptocurrencies. But they'll be regulated heavily in time I think, or at least controlled in some way.

Waahhh...  cryptos have their use, ok, but I'm not a fan.  I would not measure  my wealth in virtual coins but rather in acres and ounces.  But that's me.  Cryptos, like anything digitalized, has its use with digital machines.  There will always be a street-level exchange vehicle.  Because of garage sales and roadside markets.  And because of a wish for privacy.

Maybe you're not understanding what cryptos are. You value something like the USD, right? It's almost all just numbers on a computer. So what gives it value? Perception and acceptance.

The problem is it's being manipulated. They print unlimited money from nothing. And they can control everyone with it.

Cryptos are also digital, but they are decentralized, so nobody has control. Decentralized is the main thing. But there are other benefits, that exist to give people back their power.

So while most people see cryptos as numbers on a computer, keep in mind money is much the same.

Yes ultimately numbers on a computer are worthless, unless there's perception and acceptance. What will always be more valuable is land, food and water. But it's perceived value depends on supply and demand.

.. and for a brief time, toilet paper was the money ticket. How ironic.

they should be well trained if they done it as simulation :question:

Interesting and nice timing for it.

They are long videos. Is there anything specific about them you are pointing out?

yes is a big event...and pointing no nothing...just event 201 is computer simulation of pandemic and if so many big brains met over there they should know what to do now ...but i just cannot see it :lol:

You can bet they'll make some big changes, for our safety,... but we'll still be able to buy smokes, and still they won't give a shit about far greater threats to lives.

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The problem is that just because one (anonymous) person posted this, it doesn't automatically makes it true. I could write a twitter post, pretending to be a top physician at a local hospital with thousands of Covid patients, and claim the opposite.

True.

Or you could do the exact same thing in the opposite direction, repeat it over and over on the MSMs and it would be held as undeniable truth.

This was just one example.  What do you do of all these individuals walking/filming around in the supposedly war-situation hospital and only seeing calm and empty ERs?

What do you do of those testimonies where someone was claimed to be dead of CoV19 and wrote to the media next day saying he's not dead?  Need more?
What do you do of this american media reporting on the hectic day at NY hospital, then being debunked by proving the images are from an italian hospital?  Need more?

Do you know someone personally who is affected or who knows someone who is?

What is this ''invisible enemy''?  Covert operation for something else?  Expand your thinking.

I don't trust the statistics alone. For example:

* High infection rates in the US could be just because they're doing more tests than others.

* China's apparently "no infection rate" could be just because they've changed how they report or classify infections.

* Mortality rates are based mostly on severe cases only. I'm sure there are many people that don't even go to the doctor because they have only mild symptoms.

There's much more.

It's entirely possible that coronavirus is being blamed for deaths, when the patient was going to die soon anyway.

When the reports say THOUSANDS ARE DEAD, it looks really bad. But around 50+ million people die every year from whatever causes.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 01, 08:35 PM 2020Smoking kills a LOT more, but I don't see dark and gloomy media campaigns against it, to scare us all to death. Instead I see it is OPENLY LEGAL.

And what about heart disease, or cancer? Where's the trillions in funding to fight them?

This isn't about lives or health. At all.

Something is seriously wrong here.

The critical difference between those things and coronvirus is that deaths due to the latter are preventable by taking social distancing measures. You can't prevent people dying of smoking or cancer or heart disease, unless you have strict totalitarian control, and even in China smoking isn't banned. On the one hand you seem to be arguing for a stricter nanny state and on the other that it's some conspiracy to control us. You can't have it both ways.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 04:00 AM 2020The critical difference between those things and coronvirus is that deaths due to the latter are preventable by taking social distancing measures

Cancer is preventable by banning smoking, like less harmful marijuana is usually banned. I dont think smoking should be banned. You've completely missed the point.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 04:48 AM 2020You've completely missed the point.

You're comparing covid-19 with Cancer, heart disease etc by saying that 'nobody cares' that millions die of those diseases. But as I've just said, covid-19 is preventable whereas the others aren't.

So I'm not sure what your point is? other than suggesting it's a conspiracy.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 04:48 AM 2020Cancer is preventable by banning smoking

And you've completely missed my point. What else should be banned? eating unhealthy foods? alcohol? being a couch potato? all those things kill millions of people every year.

No joe, youre not understanding and i can't be bothered

Great, thanks Steve.  ::)

You said this 'isn't about lives or health. At all'. So what is it about?

'They' are out to get us!  ;D

Steve, you should really get out a bit more and stop watching youtube so much and doing online 'research'. Seriously, you'll be a happier and healthier person for it.

You dont know it yet, but you're clueless.

I'm quite happy being 'clueless' if being wised-up means being stressed and paranoid. I feel sorry for you Steve, really.

It's weird though, because you post all these provocative statements and then get all defensive and dismissive when challenged. It's like you really want it to be true.

Joe, i tried starting with something simple for you: banking law. And I provided documents from the Federal Reserve to prove it wasn't fairy theories. Its fact.

As you weren't smart enough for that, you won't understand anything more complex. That's why im not wasting further time explaining to you. That's why im dismissive. Go back to the very clear explanations, read the documents, stop taking it personally.

Steve, paranoid doesn't mean smart. I have an IQ of 148. You're not looking at the bigger picture. Likewise, I can't be bothered to explain it all to you. Good luck.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 06:12 AM 2020As you weren't smart enough for that, you won't understand anything more complex.

I'm not the only one reading your posts, so if I'm not smart enough, explain it anyway, that way people smarter than me can make sense of it and hopefully explain it to me in words of less than two syllables.  ;)

And supposing your theories are true, what are we supposed to do about it? The more people who know about it and believe it, the more likely it is that it can be stopped, so not explaining it just makes it less likely that that will happen. Is that what you want? 

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 06:48 AM 2020paranoid doesn't mean smart

That's a stupid comment.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 06:48 AM 2020I have an IQ of 148

I would question that number. Besides, im not particularly stupid. And intelligence is meaningless if you're ignorant.

So have you read my conspiracy theory document from the Federal Reserve yet? Nope, you think its conspiracy "theory" and paranoia.  Smart guy.

At least Im not going on and on about some reptillian god, who's secretly plotting to destroy mankind. I dont mean David Ike. Im talking about the pope, and like 2+ billion other people who believe that.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 07:00 AM 2020I'm not the only one reading your posts, so if I'm not smart enough, explain it anyway, that way people smarter than me can make sense of it and hopefully explain it to me in words of less than two syllables.  ;)

Pay more attention and you'll see most people here already "get it", because they're more educated on these matters.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 07:00 AM 2020And supposing your theories are true, what are we supposed to do about it?

Well for starters, abolish the federal reserve. There's a lot we can do. But to get the support to do that, first people need to be educated, and woken up. The problem is some people are so blind, they still won't see it when its in their faces. And they'll call the people who explain it "conspiracy theorists" because they think they're so smart. You are a good example of that. And im not sure what to do about that kind of thing.

What does the federal reserve have to do with covid-19? You seem fixated on the banking system - all conspiracies seem to lead to it!

I read the article from the bank of Chicago which you uploaded.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 07:51 AM 2020And they'll call the people who explain it "conspiracy theorists" because they think they're so smart. You are a good example of that. And im not sure what to do about that kind of thing.

Well, you could provide some hard evidence and not just speculation, hindsight bias, and confirmation bias. That would help convince more people. The problem is you and other conspiracy theorists don't seem to be capable of telling them apart.

link:s://:.bankrate.com/banking/federal-reserve/federal-reserve-misconceptions/

Coronavirus test inaccurate

link:s://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 11:42 AM 2020What does the federal reserve have to do with covid-19? You seem fixated on the banking system - all conspiracies seem to lead to it!

The government loans money through bonds, institutional investors like banks buy the bonds using our money, and money they made from nothing via the fractional reserve banking system.

It means when new money is created, the banks own it. The value of the money comes from existing money, and it devalues existing money. This is known as inflation.

This means government debt, that we pay with our taxes, go to banks. It is legal theft.

Imagine being able to make money from nothing, then invest with that new money, and if the investment loses, you get to legally steal from others (your customers) to recover your investment. That's exactly what banks do.

It's not conspiracy theory. Its fact. So pull your head out and properly understand fractional reserve banking, and bail out laws.

There's much more going on than banking conspiracies. Its a conspiracy because it is done with the average joe being clueless. If enough people fully understood it, the government would be lynched. For now, average joes are clueless.

I only used that as an example because the proof is even in official banking documents, if you can understand them. Which you haven't.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 11:42 AM 2020I read the article from the bank of Chicago which you uploaded.

Maybe, but you haven't understood it or you wouldn't be asking certain questions, or saying particular things.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 11:45 AM 2020Well, you could provide some hard evidence and not just speculation, hindsight bias, and confirmation bias. That would help convince more people. The problem is you and other conspiracy theorists don't seem to be capable of telling them apart.

Again you haven't understood the banking system. Its only conspiracy theory to people who don't understand it.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 03, 02:22 PM 2020link:s://:.bankrate.com/banking/federal-reserve/federal-reserve-misconceptions/

Looks like you chose a random page hoping it supported your arguments. Youre still not understanding. None of it appears relevant. And when people say "banks print money", it refers to the creation of new money in accounts as loans, not physical cash.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 09:14 PM 2020The government loans money through bonds, institutional investors like banks buy the bonds using our money, and money they made from nothing via the fractional reserve banking system.

It means when new money is created, the banks own it. The value of the money comes from existing money, and it devalues existing money. This is known as inflation.

This means government debt, that we pay with our taxes, go to banks. It is legal theft.

Imagine being able to make money from nothing, then invest with that new money, and if the investment loses, you get to legally steal from others (your customers) to recover your investment. That's exactly what banks do.

It's not conspiracy theory. Its fact. So pull your head out and properly understand fractional reserve banking, and bail out laws.

This is an oversimplification and misrepresentation of what is actually an extremely complex system (I'm talking about the federal reserve). I don't pretend to understand it completely, even professional economists struggle to, and I'm sure you don't either.

The fractional reserve systems means that banks only hold a fraction of their deposits, with the remainder being used for loans. Someone who finds this outrageous and thinks that banks should do nothing with the deposits would probably not have much to say if you asked them where the interest comes from on their savings accounts, lol.

I did a little digging and discovered the book 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', which seems to be the bible for anti-fed conspiracy theories. Obviously I haven't read the book, although it seems to be popular judging by reviews on Amazon, but I did find out something about the author G. Edward Griffin.

QuoteG. Edward Griffin (born November 7, 1931) is an American author, filmmaker, and conspiracy theorist. Griffin's writings promote a number of views and conspiracy theories regarding various of his political, defense and health care interests. In his book World Without Cancer, he argued in favor of a pseudo-scientific theory that asserted cancer to be a nutritional deficiency curable by consuming amygdalin.[2][3][4] He is the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island (1994), which promotes false theories about the motives behind the creation of the Federal Reserve System.[2][5] He is an HIV/AIDS denialist, supports the 9/11 Truth movement, and supports a specific John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory.[2] He also believes that the biblical Noah's Ark is located at the Durupınar site in Turkey.[6]

link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_Griffin

hmm...  ::)

This is a guy who endorses 'chemtrails', one of the nuttier conspiracy theories which says that the trails left by aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately released (by the government) for some unspecified nefarious purposes. It's bat-shit crazy stuff. 

QuoteLooks like you chose a random page hoping it supported your arguments.

No, it's not a 'random' page because it addresses some of your misconceptions, and the site is a credible source of information, being an award-winning financial services company. It's obvious you haven't read it.

But you didn't answer my question, Steve. What has any of this got to do with covid-19, which is the subject of this thread?

Idiot conspiracy theorists :

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/news/52168096

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the banks are blameless in this crisis.

Australia is a huge country, yet there is still not many cases.
is it because the warm weather there?

Australia is big by area but the population is only about 25M. There is some evidence that warmer countries aren't getting as many cases, e.g. African countries and India, but too soon to tell yet. Australia is doing a lot of testing though.

A lot of stats here:
link:s://:.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Steve, lately I've been seeing theories that 5G is behind the coronavirus. This video has been taken down, where a man claims to be a former Vodafone executive, he mentioned some of the things that you did, like them planning out to roll out a global digital currency, etc. Would appreciate if you could watch and gives us your take on how credible this info is, and weather you agree/disagree with it:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=QGDQcxbqK-8

I already posted about this above. It's 'complete rubbish', as even a little thought would tell you.

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/news/52168096

Quote from: Joe on Apr 05, 02:50 AM 2020The fractional reserve systems means that banks only hold a fraction of their deposits, with the remainder being used for loans.

NO. It means they only need 10% of the money they loan out. That 10% is typically money their customers deposit. The money they loan out is made out of thin air. It didnt exist before.

I already published material that explains it. Also see link:s://:.investopedia.com/articles/investing/022416/why-banks-dont-need-your-money-make-loans.asp where the key points are:

* Banks are thought of as financial intermediaries that connect savers and borrowers.

* However, banks actually rely on a fractional reserve banking system whereby banks can lend in excess of the amount of actual deposits on hand.

* This leads to a money multiplier effect. If, for example, the amount of reserves held by a bank is 10%, then loans can multiply money by up to 10x.

Like I said:

QuoteImagine being able to make money from nothing, then invest with that new money, and if the investment loses, you get to legally steal from others (your customers) to recover your investment. That's exactly what banks do. It's not conspiracy theory. Its fact. So pull your head out and properly understand fractional reserve banking, and bail out laws.

This discussion started by you criticizing me as a conspiracy "theorist", whereas I explained I deal with conspiracy "fact". Real conspiracies.

There are many real conspiracies. I only explained banking because there's enough blatantly clear and verifiable information to prove beyond any doubt it's real. One problem is most people have no idea how the banks are secretly stealing from us. It's legal fraud. It's probably the biggest fraud to have ever existed in our entire history.

The banks are mostly seen as faceless entities. But there are real people behind them. And they're ruthless and couldn't give a crap about you, me or anyone. You are aware banks are ruthless, but you don't yet know how deep the rabbit hole goes. And, you are dismissing real conspiracies because of conspiracy theory garbage.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 05, 02:50 AM 2020I did a little digging and discovered the book 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', which seems to be the bible for anti-fed conspiracy theories. Obviously I haven't read the book, although it seems to be popular judging by reviews on Amazon, but I did find out something about the author G. Edward Griffin.

I have no idea who he is and ever reads his books. Isn't this a "strawman" argument? Stick to what's relevant.

On the note of this guy and some of what he believes, I'd say he's right about some things, and not about others. It's typically that people who research conspiracies sometimes get parts wrong. Who do you know that's 100% right about everything? Does sometimes being wrong discredit everything? Focus on the message, and proof you can verify, rather than the messenger.

I see it all the time, Joe. You've truly, sincerely got little idea of what's really going on. I'd sincerely like to help you, but at the moment you seem more concerned with being right, than actually finding the truth.

Also, Wikipedia is loaded with biased and manipulative information. To see this first-hand, you need to really know your stuff. It happens on key issues. Whether it's part of the conspiracy, or just genuinely clueless editors, who knows. When it comes to proving a banking conspiracy, your ultimate proof is:

* The laws and policies themselves, and
* How those laws were deviously and manipulatively passed.

You are only seeing snippets of it Joe, without properly understanding it. We're right in the middle of a crisis, and I'm not talking about the Coronavirus. The virus is only part of the picture. Wherever the virus came from, and whether or not it's deliberate, it is at the very least being used as a tool to push agendas which are unquestionably a conspiracy. Banking is just one part, and a big part.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 05, 02:50 AM 2020This is a guy who endorses 'chemtrails', one of the nuttier conspiracy theories which says that the trails left by aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately released (by the government) for some unspecified nefarious purposes. It's bat-shit crazy stuff.

Not as batshit crazy as you'd expect. If you do proper research, you'll the chemtrails are real. BUT exactly what the trails are is unclear. Based on my own research, I believe they are partially aluminum. In some cases yes it's condensation. But there's enough evidence from pilots and whistleblowers to indicate there are also real chemtrails.

So I think the real question is WHY. And there are many theories, like weather modification, biological agents etc. I don't know. But there's certainly secrets being kept about it, so I'm not sure we'd approve of it.

Yes I know there are batshit crazy theories, Joe. But if that's all you focus on, you're missing it. You're being shortsighted.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 05, 02:50 AM 2020No, it's not a 'random' page because it addresses some of your misconceptions, and the site is a credible source of information, being an award-winning financial services company. It's obvious you haven't read it.

Actually no. Again, the debunked theories on that page are not relevant to what I've said. I'm talking about how the fractional reserve system works, and banks make money from nothing. That's not mere theory.

Maybe you Googled" banking conspiracy theory" and thought that would somehow put me in my place. Sorry. You haven't understood what is being said.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 05, 02:50 AM 2020It's obvious you haven't read it.

Actually, I have read it. Which is why I said it's not relevant. And I only highlighted the part about "printing money", and how they took it out of context. Even an economist often uses the term "printing money", without referring to physical cash.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 05, 02:50 AM 2020But you didn't answer my question, Steve. What has any of this got to do with covid-19, which is the subject of this thread?

I did answer it. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

Again, even if this virus wasn't engineered or somehow deliberate. It's certainly possible. There are people and groups with the power and motives to do this. I said whether or not this was a conspiracy, at the very least, it is being used to push agendas that are very real conspiracies.

Some of those very real conspiracies are:

* Increasing the amount of bank loans, which gives the entire banking establishment an immense boost in wealth - like owning the world, which they basically already do. Read what I said about government bonds. We are being stolen from. It's legal fraud on a mass scale.

What I suspect we'll see next is the below, which are ALREADY happening, although Coronavirus has given it a boost:

* Financial calamity, and we'll be presented with an apparently good solution, which will ultimately end in a push towards global digital currency. It could be something like debt being forgiven, or some other irresistible trojan horse. The financial crisis will be blamed on Coronavirus, when in fact the whole system was already a disaster. We'll see things like "go digital cash, stop spread of germs" etc. Many convenient excuses. This will eventually lead into microchip implants, although that may be some time into the future - at least, that's what their plan is. They have ALREADY tried to implement it, but it was rejected. Some countries are still doing trials with it, so it's certainly on the cards still.

* Greater digital surveillance.

There's much more. I know you really dont see it Joe. But this whole planet and it's people is being f*cked from all angles. It's everywhere. It's so widespread that you'd be looking right at it and not even know. Because we've been conditioned.

Again at the very least, Coronavirus is being exploited by groups with agendas. Many different agendas. This isn't theory. It is fact.

Like after 911, the whole world changed. New agendas for totalitarian control were pushed. And people were supporting it, because they were scared. They wanted to feel more safe. Was 911 a conspiracy? I personally think at least key groups knew about the imminent attacks, and they were allowed to happen. The terrorists who actually did the deed would have had no idea about the bigger picture. I don't buy many things, like those buildings falling like they did. They were in free-fall. There's no shortage of experienced people saying irrefutably the buildings were purposefully demolished.

Another particularly suspicious thing was the president of the USA was in business with the family of the apparently #1 wanted terrorist in the world. The Bush and Bin Laden family were in business. Now what are the chances of that being mere coincidence?

But what shortsighted people think is the government wouldn't do this kind of thing. The "blinder" is we're not talking about the government. We're talking about a bunch of ruthless super-wealthy elite who get into positions of power. It's not that they specifically are the government. It's more they infiltrate the government.

People need to understand there are criminals, even in high places. Is it so difficult to believe such people exist? In reality, the world is full of people who have the will. But most don't have the capability.

You may not believe it Joe, but it's all around you. You'll eventually see it. I'm not interested in arguing you for the sake or arguing and proving a point. If you are genuinely interested in knowing more, do the research. You don't even have your foot in the door at this stage. Sift through the piles of bullshit, and focus on facts you can verify. Don't waste time on flat earth shit, and don't let flat earth shit lead you away from real conspiracies.

Another thing you may not know yet is it takes more than intelligence. It also takes consciousness and your gut feeling to know when something is not right. It points you in the right direction, then you can validate the truth with verifiable facts.

I spend time on all this to sincerely help people, so hope people get something from it. I do a lot more elsewhere though.

Two other points:


1. The WHO state warmer weather makes no difference. I'm not sure why they say this because actually it does (although indirectly):

a. Sunlight gives us vitamin D, which is important for healthy immune system. In fact ordinary sunlight can make a huge difference in pneumonia patients. I better understood it because one of close family members had pneumonia, and I did a lot of research to understand it. So we regularly took them out in the sun. The ICU has no sunlight. That's a problem.

b. You're more likely to be out in sunlight if the weather is warmer.

Sunlight doesn't mean you wont get infected though. It is only part of a normal healthy immune system. It's like saying garlic improves your immune system, and improves your chances, but it is only part of the picture.


2. If you mean 5G allegedly causes the virus, I seriously doubt that. It would be physically possible to create anything with electromagnetic waves, but that technology would be so far more advanced.

Although I think people are more saying 5G weakens the immune system. I would say that would be TRUE of any incoherent radiation.

Living organisms and cells exist from harmonic energy, we'd know as a DNA spiral. Any incoherent radiation can disrupt that harmonic flow of energy. Remember DNA is at its root harmonic energy. Existing mobile phone radiation can easily cause cancer. Back decades ago, my girlfriend (ex) was addicted to her mobile phone. She developed cancer in her ear. That was the first personal case. Since then I've come into enough information and cases, and understood how cells react to toxins or radiation, to know reasonably that radiation certainly can and does lead to cancer. And likewise, radiation can weaken DNA and cell structure.

Cancer is basically corrupted DNA. The cells dont behave normally, and junk cells are grown instead of normal healthy cells. The junk cells are cancer cells.

5G is a higher frequency and more intense radiation. So I'd say it's inevitable that it will adversely affect immune systems and health. But would I blame 5G on the Coronavirus? No. But YES, it would make matters worse, because it would be bad for health. Good for business though, which is the whole point.

The way 5G is being rolled out, and how it has bypassed safety standards (among other things), I'd say we aren't being told everything about it. I think the primary reason for it is the Internet of Things, which is basically "big data" - for varied purposes. Basically, big business. With 5g, the Internet of Things will be possible. It has nothing to do with downloading videos or any of that crap. 4g does all that just fine.

And I think Australia's curve is flattening more quickly because we have more land, and fewer people.

Malaria drug very effective against the virus

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=NyDjJ5ytc54

Steve, regarding the whole banking and wider conspiracy thing, I think you're paranoid, but we'll have to agree to disagree. And this thread is about coronavirus so I would prefer to stay on topic.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 06, 10:23 PM 2020Although I think people are more saying 5G weakens the immune system. I would say that would be TRUE of any incoherent radiation.

Living organisms and cells exist from harmonic energy, we'd know as a DNA spiral. Any incoherent radiation can disrupt that harmonic flow of energy. Remember DNA is at its root harmonic energy. Existing mobile phone radiation can easily cause cancer.

It's certainly true that 5G cannot transmit the virus, which is passed on between infected people. And even if it could be, the theory would make no sense because there are places (such as cities in the UK) where the virus is spreading but there is no 5G yet.

There is no evidence that 5G can affect your immune system and a lot of studies have been done on this. Some radio waves can have a heating effect which may affect the immune system, but the energy levels from 5G waves are tiny, they're just not powerful enough to damage cells.

The radio wave band, which is used for mobile phone networks, is non-ionising, meaning that it doesn't have enough energy to break apart DNA and cause cellular damage. That means it can't cause cancer. The WHO said in 2014 that 'no adverse health effects have been established as being caused by mobile phone use'. Again, there have been a very large number of studies on this. Look for any reputable and reliable scientific source (not some youtuber in his mum's basement, lol) and they will tell you the same thing.

link:s://:.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/cancer-controversies/do-mobile-phones-cause-cancer

In spite of the clear evidence against it, idiots like David Icke continue spread the conspiracy, and youtube announced yesterday that they will be removing all videos which link 5G to the virus. Whatsapp have also added restrictions.

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52198946

Quote from: amk on Apr 07, 03:41 PM 2020Malaria drug very effective against the virus

Always check other sources!

link:s://:.theguardian.com/science/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-cure-fact-check-hydroxychloroquine-trump

One America News is a fake news channel known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories. It likes to feature pro-Trump stories.

About the FED, printing money.
Its called QE
"quantitative easing",
simply mean create more money to cause inflation, or decreasing money value.
FED control how much banks could lent out loan, to market, based on loan from FED.
Only FED could create money out of nothing, by punching into accounts in computer, and physical paper money, back by military might and petrodollar. Thus
now you understand why most countries fear, and kowtow to usa, for protection!(and use usa dollar, as their reserved money! )
With every dollar,in hand, they "print",
their own currencies! (thus the more they print, the lower their value vis a vis dollar! thus hyperinflation...)
Fed's create inflation, so life-goes-on... thus who's losing? answer:cash hoarder..miser savers...
the value of dollar goes down, things become more expensive, but life goes on...people got less purchasing power, real estate value higher, and poor &middle class poorer....the corrections, paid by poor&middle class, thats why price of all goods and service and rental go higher, every year! this is indirect tax!

why FED create inflation?
As indirect tax!
In other word, the poor&middle class and saver, must pay, for this "task of US"!
The lower rung must pay for this upkeep?
HOW?
And why the wealthy not affected??
Because the VALUE of real estate, food, services...everything become more expensive!
And who own all these real estate, factory, businesses, etc???
answer:the wealthy...the people that own and provider of supply economy ..
products &services that citizen buy and need in everyday lives.
Who feel the brunt?
Answer:the poor people, or people who cant create value of wealth ,fast enough to overcome inflation.
You understand now, why people say, the poor get poorer!
Now if you get "raise", every year, then you feel less brunt!
If you a trader, "you buy higher price, and resell at even higher price...", and trader play to gallery of inflation, (imagine how much the same burger sold ten years ago).
Why FED crrate inflation QE???
Because if DEFLATION kicks in...middle&wealthy people can repay loans and credit!
Price of real estates, and everything will stagnant or downhill, then they cant pay salary, and retrenchment, and no money, no buying,  businesses collapse, chaos ensued, and then vicious circle becomes larger..The only good vibes is lower price for everything, but who's buying, with empty pocket?
And the wealthy lose their property paper value, business profit diminish, but tax stay the same!
With inflation, poor people pay the price!
While wealthy people property and businesses
maintain, or rise in value,
paper value, inflation added value...Now you understand, why the skyscrapers value shoot up every year, to your chargrin?

"poor people and inflation",
is like war, to a country.

The poor young military boys and men, lose their live or limbs, but the generals and the president or king, whom sent them to fight, to death, for their quarrel or ego, get the accolades, and praises!!!
FED print account money
or computer money, and lent out to banks, with very low interest,
so the banks could create more loan to the people, flooding the market with cash, thus the economic WHEEL, could turn, real estate and businesses value pointing higher, thus the future looks BRIGHT!
And most importantly,
THE USA...MILITARY might, around the world could functioning, threatening others...not to challenge USA power HEGEMONY!
Once usa lose petropower, she will lose military and psedo-economy hegemony, and soon collapse...
Now you understand why usa keep interfering in oil producing countries, and....CHINA!

With petrodollar, that support usa military might that support petrodollar that support military...(goes in round)
The usa become sole super power!
And must remain so forever, or else, you american, are finished!
Now you understand why the military industrial R&D, keep making better and better
killing machines???
Poor&medium class, paid the INFLATION COST!
The wealthy property's value KEEP IN TANDEM with the inflation exponentialy!
Now you understand why all the rich boys properties , keep going up and OUT OF REACH???
Because you, the poor worker or medium class traders, keep paying for the inflationary cost!?
Not fair? Since when the world is fair, you need to choose, whether you want to be in the poor, medium, or wealthy class.
Price of everything , that made in the usa, will keep pointing higher, and ,YOU, must PAY, so that the economy wheel keep turning! and the wealthy
people value, keep up with the inflation RATES!

Steve,

In his interview, David Icke mentioned a lot of the things that you are saying - that we are headed to digital currency and they are using this as an opportunity to gain control. Although, he is saying that the Covid19 is a hoax - they are manipulating the numbers and people for example that would normally die from cancer, they say they died because of corona.

He states that the 5G basically takes out the oxygen out of the bodies - so there is a direct correlation between Corona and 5G.

BBC demanded for his talks to be removed, banned from Youtube, and any other type of videos that talks about the link of 5G and Corona.

I haven't made up my mind, weather what David Icke is saying is true or not, but his interview was really interesting and thought provoking imo, I would be interested to hear your opinion on it:

link:s://londonreal.tv/the-coronavirus-conspiracy-how-covid-19-will-seize-your-rights-destroy-our-economy-david-icke/

Also, NYC doctor lately been coming out with some of the stuff that Icke and others mentioned, that the way that they are using ventilators is dangerous, and the fact that they are not treating them for the right disease.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020regarding the whole banking and wider conspiracy thing, I think you're paranoid

Is it paranoia to recite the banking policies and law?

You didn't even know what fractional reserve banking was. So you quickly read up on it, explained your understanding, were still wrong, and have the audacity to call me "paranoid"?

You said yourself banks aren't all innocent. Maybe you're being paranoid.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020And this thread is about coronavirus so I would prefer to stay on topic.

You asked me how coronavirus may be related to banking. So I explained it.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020There is no evidence that 5G can affect your immune system and a lot of studies have been done on this.

They've been done by people who don't even know what cancer is. And there is more to it than just cancer.

ANY incoherent radiation has the capacity to damage DNA. Even excessive sunlight causes cancer (skin cancer).

Here's what the researchers arent understanding:

1. They have proven irrefutably that significant doses of radiation cause cancer. Don't rely on Youtube or Google alone. When they do testing on human cells:

a. The dose is lower, and more consistent with normal use.

b. Does not take into account long-term effects to things they cant easily measure, like immune system reaction, mental acuity, energy levels and countless other things. At best, they could do some studies on these kinds of things, and put the results down to being inconclusive. Because there are so many other variables they cant easily account for. You cant imagine the countless other variables, and the difficulty of doing conclusive testing

There's no doubt radiation causes cancer, at higher doses. Does it mean it's safe?

There's no doubt drinking poison will harm you. We can all drink a little, with no obvious negative effects - in the short-term. But what about long-term damage?

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020There is no evidence that 5G can affect your immune system and a lot of studies have been done on this.

ANY incoherent radiation will undoubtedly negatively impact human health. It's more a question of what dosage is safe, for both short and long-term exposure. Joe, I've been an energy researcher almost all my life. I've come into information and research most people wouldn't have a clue about. I quit my Applied Physics course because it moved too slow, and just taught regurgitated information from text books. I knew I'd learn quicker on my own, which I have.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020Some radio waves can have a heating effect which may affect the immune system, but the energy levels from 5G waves are tiny, they're just not powerful enough to damage cells.

Spoken like a person who believes everything they read, without understanding.

"Heat" is usually a byproduct, because of inefficiency, or disharmony. In this case, the heating you're referring to occurs ultimately because the radiation is incoherent. An analogy is like "the friction between the crashing waves causes heat". It's not exactly what happens, but it's just an analogy.

Inefficient energy production systems tend to heat up. That energy is lost as heat. The more efficient an energy production system, the cooler it runs. There are some devices that even fall below room temperature when in operation, like the Searl Effect Generator. This was partially replicated by a few groups, to at least observe this effect. That's getting off track though. My point is heat is linked to incoherence and disharmony.

Incoherent radiation wont heat anything by any measurable about, if the dose is small. It's like a tiny LED vs a high powered searchlight. They may be the same wavelengths, but wavelength isn't everything.

Have a look at how harmless radiation pops corn:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=pqIZDIxJgXw

It doesn't happen with just one phone because if there's only one radiation source, the waves are less likely to "crash". It will still happen with one radiation source, if it's intense enough.

Again my ex-girlfriend often used her mobile phone, and had cancer removed from inside her ear. It was not a coincidence. The so-called testing your'e referring do is not done properly, or with proper consideration to critical variables - because the researchers aren't properly understanding.

I'm not saying I know everything. But I know more than most people with a master's degree in physics. That's because they all learned from the same books I've read. What they miss is extended research, which you don't find in college text books. The physics and anomalies that invalidate some long-held theories from text books.

More specifically, a biologist will study living cells etc. A mathematician studies equations. A physicist studies practical applications of math and theory. What I do is work on models that account for all science. That includes biological, sound, physics, metaphysical, solar, gravity, mathematical and more - everything together. And that's what modern scientists should do, but they dont. They only look at their own narrow teachings. It's like how string theory accounts for everything. It's close, but not quite correct as I see it. Those strings are just vibrations everywhere. All "physical form" comes from harmonic vibrations.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020The radio wave band, which is used for mobile phone networks, is non-ionising, meaning that it doesn't have enough energy to break apart DNA and cause cellular damage.

Again spoken like someone who is educated by CNN.

5G is higher frequency and higher energy. But already at lower bands, damage is being done. At higher doses of radiation, the damage is obvious and clear. Nobody doubts that. The testing you refer to is at lower doses, where the damage is more subtle. Read above what I said about the testing. It's as simplistic and limited as a gambler winning 100 spins of betting on red, and concluding betting red is how to win.

The cancer research institutes dont even properly understand it.

Have a good look at this to, and even that's only a fraction of the story:
link:s://:.landsharing.org/alternative-suppressed-breakthrough-cancer-treatments/

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020Look for any reputable and reliable scientific source (not some youtuber in his mum's basement, lol) and they will tell you the same thing.

Ironic you'd say this, considering Youtube is where you clearly get your information.

Google and Youtube are nearing Chinese level censorship. They are promoting fake news, under the guise of protecting people from fake news. I believe this is mostly because the youtube and google staff are themselves clueless. But it's also because some conspiracy theorists include incorrect, harmful and unsubstantiated theories. So they are censoring the good with the bad (from conspiracy theorists), but leaving all the garbage from so-called "credible sources" like CNN. I've lost track of the amount of rubbish and blatant lies "official" mainstream media has published. The media regurgitate crap, and report whatever they're told to report. There is very little proper investigative journalism, where the media properly research to ascertain the facts for themselves. But mainstream media just report. They don't have the capacity to determine fact from fiction.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 08, 04:28 AM 2020In spite of the clear evidence against it, idiots like David Icke continue spread the conspiracy, and youtube announced yesterday that they will be removing all videos which link 5G to the virus. Whatsapp have also added restrictions.

David has probably done more harm than good. He has some correct theories, and some are just best left unsaid. Ironically, I believe he's right about many of the apparently wacky theories, like the existence of the reptilian race, and bloodlines of certain families. Is it really so difficult to believe we arent the only species in the universe, and that some of them have no problem with using us to their advantage? We do it to animals. We're no different. Or is it more believable that we're the only ones in the entire universe, and even if we weren't alone, all races would come rushing to love us with flowers and gifts?

Where David loses me is saying crap like the Queen is a shapeshifting alien who eats babies. Is it true? I seriously doubt it. The only "proof" of it is the accounts of a few people. Not nearly good enough proof. But as for the existence of alien races, there's ample proof.

Now back to Coronavirus. I've said what I think will happen. Wherever it came from, we don't know for sure yet. At the very least, this whole crisis IS already being used to push nefarious agendas. This includes the global financial system, digital currencies etc. It's being used as an excuse to push in the "New World Order". I'm not wrong. It's already happening. And most people will initially buy into it, thinking it's all for our benefit. It will all sound like a great idea initially.

You think its conspiracy "theory", because you dont have enough information. You rely on CNN and censored sources like google and youtube. You think it's paranoia, but are so asleep that even when official banking policy is in your face, you dismiss it as mere bad policy. Dig deeper to understand its conspiracy.

And many people will be clueless to what's really going on. They'll confuse paranoia with law and banking policy. They'll confuse conspiracy with "incompetence and bad policy".

Joe, it's really on your doorstep. But unfortunately you're clearly still asleep - like billions of others, who haven't progressed to the stage where they see through all the bullshit. There's nothing else I could say to wake you up. You really do need to see it for yourself.

Quote from: SWEET on Apr 08, 08:41 AM 2020
About the FED, printing money.
Its called QE
"quantitative easing",
simply mean create more money to cause inflation, or decreasing money value.
FED control how much banks could lent out loan, to market, based on loan from FED.
Only FED could create money out of nothing, by punching into accounts in computer, and physical paper money, back by military might and petrodollar. Thus
now you understand why most countries fear, and kowtow to usa, for protection!(and use usa dollar, as their reserved money! )
With every dollar,in hand, they "print",
their own currencies! (thus the more they print, the lower their value vis a vis dollar! thus hyperinflation...)
Fed's create inflation, so life-goes-on... thus who's losing? answer:cash hoarder..miser savers...
the value of dollar goes down, things become more expensive, but life goes on...people got less purchasing power, real estate value higher, and poor &middle class poorer....the corrections, paid by poor&middle class, thats why price of all goods and service and rental go higher, every year! this is indirect tax!

An increasing amount of people are understanding it. But for many people, they dont see what happened until after it really hits home. Until then, it's just "paranoia" to them.

WINFORUS, it may be true about radiation reducing oxygen in blood. I say "may" be true. The radiation affects the underlying energy of cells and living organisms. It's not so much the formed cells they harm.

One way of looking at is imagine if a wind swirl formed a circle in the sand on a beach. The wind is the underlying energy of your body, and the circle is the cell. Now imagine if some choppy gust of wind came from nowhere, and disrupted the harmonic wind spiral. The result is the cicle of sand will be malformed. And that's what a cancerous cell is. In this case, the wind spiral is DNA. The circle of sand is a cell.

One of the problems with cancer research is they aren't on living "growing" cells. They are on pre-existing cells. That's why they easily replicated cancerous growths in living lab rats. Again the people doing the research dont even understand it.

Fiat money, military might, forced inflation...worked hand in hand.

Let me tell you a kiddie story so you understand.
One upun a time,
There an island, with only hundreds of poor population.
I am the most powerful man.
How become the most powerful, because I manage to ORGANIZE a team of brutal personnel, and armed them with weapons such as sword,axes, machetes, etc...(read: military)
Thus the peasants respect and kowtow to me, because, though I am brutal, I give them SECURITY.
But I need to feed my team, and I cant order my men to tend farm and go fishing...but I cant force the peasant to send food, and get nothing in return, except sense of security,
thus I take out a piece of paper, and write down how many chicken or fish the sent me, a PROMISE to return what I OWE them...
Then writing on paper become messy and cumbersome, why not standardize the paper, and marked 1,2, 10, 100..
so 1 stand for 1 fish, 2 stand for a chicken, 100 for a cow?
All the peasants, not stupid, they know the 'IOU', just a PROMISE NOTE, and I will not repay or return the fish,chicken, cow
that I took from them, but they keep QUIET, because I provide them SECURITY, they feel safe, with the presence of my team with weapon...

and if they dare asking about my PROMISE IOU,
my team will beat and burn their house and chase them away!
Now, all the peasant has so many PROMISSORY note, IOU in hand, and cant ask for the return of fish, chicken ,cow...(but in lieu of SECURITY.)
What to do with all those paper of VALUE???
All the paper has value of commodity consumed by the power of might, brutal might, security services...
Since paper hold value, why not exchange with neighbors!
My fish, change with one paper, chicken for 2 paper, 100 for a cow...Wow! start of paper fiat money, back by my brutal force!
Then few intelligent persons, start to realise that just "shuffling" the papers, accumulate the paper, could make a living, no need to tend the farm, or fishing! Very comfortable! And start to LENDING out the paper, for more paper.(Banking!)
They are greedy, there too little paper around, as they need more paper in circulation, to make more paper!

That's the basics of it, just on a different scale.

Throughout our history, the people at the top control the masses. What's different today?

The main thing different today is it's more covert. Because if people know they're being controlled, they'll fight the system.

Then those intelligent people come to see me,
and make a new idea , a proposal to establish a powerful body to manage the paper!(FED!) Thus controlling the island wealth!
Soon I announce the establishment of banking...
I become powerfull, and they become greedy,
they print more and more paper to exchange than the peasant could produce! The peasant start to hold too many paper, and sense that too many paper flying around them.
I start to enlarge my brutal team, get more weapon, build more ship and start threatening neighboring islands to accept my iou paper!(gunship diplomacy).
Any refusing island will be invaded!(sole world power!)
To pay for my ever expanding team& expenditure, I order my FED to print more paper, and caused the paper to circulate all over the world, refusing island will taught a lesson, change the island leader, assaination, support the rebellion, or invade them.
Now more and more paper being printed, and it cost money to produce paper to print, the intelligent people(banker!), has new idea, "ahhh...no need to print paper, just use a pen, and note on CREDIT/DEBIT .ACCOUNT?(electronic computer account)
Now the banker create too many paper, the peasants start to feel too many paper chasing too little produce, and start to demand more paper for same product!(inflationary  brunt).
What me, and the banker do to overcome this problem?
We PRINT MORE PAPER!!!(QE!)
Suddenly, Need 2 paper(instead of 1paper) for a fish , 200 for a cow!
And the poor stupid peasant, that keep holding on the papers, keep wondering they are still poor, and why price of everything keep going up, and the cant catch up, and still poor despite working their butt off all these year!
And all the banker still LAUGHING OUT LOUD, keep printing paper in their bank, back by my military support!

Quote from: winforus on Apr 08, 06:07 PM 2020
Also, NYC doctor lately been coming out with some of the stuff that Icke and others mentioned, that the way that they are using ventilators is dangerous, and the fact that they are not treating them for the right disease.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o

Yes I saw this before. Interesting, but so far he seems to have been ignored.

Also I'm watching the banned video from David Icke. everyone can see it here:

link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5e8e28ed1f333e003a33793b

If David said it weakens the immune system, I'd agree. But so far at the start, he flat said covid-19 doesn't exist. I don't believe that at all. Here I think he's mixing rubbish with truth. I'll watch the whole interview and give my opinion.

But there's something else everyone here needs to know. Forget David Icke for a minute.

I have software that sees in bulk what Google and Youtube is censoring. I've had a good look at a lot of the web pages and videos that were censored. And I'm saying unequivocally there is mass censorship going on, under the guise of fake news. Mostly it looks like an automated algorithm that removes content with combinations of keywords.

But what I find peculiar is the ACCURATE material is largely affected, but a lot of the nutty and wild conspiracy theory pages are UNAFFECTED. This suggests to be is there's a direct effort to censor the truth. I'm talking about Google and Youtube. WHY?

You know something has been censored when it is completely removed from Google, but visible on other search engines like :.duckduckgo.com - and the content itself still exists.

I believe part of the censorship is addressing genuinely harmful and inaccurate conspiracy theories. Part of it is an automated algorithm. And part of it is selective allowing or censoring of specific pages.

I knew this was going on for some time. But the censorship has been ramped up.

This is real and going on. It's only part of it. I don't give a f*ck if you think I'm a "conspiracy theorist". We are all under attack, and people who cant see through the bullshit, and distinguish between unsubstantiated theories, and what is real, better wake up quickly. Start with what you see right in front of you. Do extensive research. Dont rely on Google or Youtube because they're literally censoring about half of the important material. Some has been completely removed, and others are hit with obvious penalties and rank far lower, like with Googles Panda algorithm.

I'm about half way through the video. A lot of what he says is true, and a lot of what he says NEEDS VERIFICATION. So anyone researching for themselves will need to carefully check facts. He says a LOT of things that ordinary people would have no idea about, so it would be easy to dismiss what he says as bullshit.

I'm fair to any theory, and like to do proper research before giving a solid opinion. I even seriously looked at flat Earth before, only to find it was trash, and Flat Earthers really had no clue.

So i'll look into David's main argument, which is Covid-19 doesn't even exist. I'm skeptical. But I'll do some research first.

I had a look at some maps:

WORLD POPULATION BY COUNTRY
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43186;image
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43186;image)


COVID-19 INFECTIONS BY COUNTRY
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43188;image)


5G ACCESS VIA COUNTRY
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43190;image)



CONSIDERATIONS

* We would expect places with higher populations will have better technology, AND higher covid19 infection rates. So the maps would naturally have similar areas.

* But if what David says is true, there would be a stronger correlation between the BOTTOM two maps (5g Access vs COVID-19 cases). Have a look and see what you think. It looks to be there is a higher correlation between the bottom two maps.

* The blue areas in the 5G map are planned 5G areas. we'd need to see how many of these areas actually have 5G.

* There are tonnes of other considerations, like what about infections on cruise ships?

This whole thing is a puzzle and would probably take weeks of research to determine whether of not David has a case. Again he's wrong about some things, and right about some things. Nobody is going to be 100% right.

Initially looking at these, I'd say the data SUPPORTS David's claims. But again there is far more to consider. There seems to be an inordinate amount of countries with HIGH POPULATION, BUT NO 5G, AND NO OR FEW COVID CASES

Not only does Cameron appear to be correct, the changes are already being implemented:

link:s://apnews.com/8ccd325c2be9bf454c2128dcb7bd616d

Also, this morning I spoke to a nurse in my family, and she confirmed that docs are now only using ventilators in her hospital as a last resort, because they noticed an unusually sharp increase in mortality after putting a patient on a vent.

Also, here is an extended interview with him from the 6th:

link:s://:.medscape.com/viewarticle/928156

as well as an overview of the possible mechanism:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3116&v=uPTiP714LZM&feature=emb_logo

Remember?

The 2017â€"2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths. This is the highest number of patient claims since the 2009 flu season. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, during the 2017-2018 season the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018.[10] Another estimate (September 2018) attributed more than 80,000 US deaths to this strain of influenza.[11][12]

The more i look into this, the more Im not buying the official narrative. I'm being sketical of all information on both sides. Something is seriously not right.

And the censorship on Google and Youtube is incredible.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 08, 08:27 PM 2020Have a look at how harmless radiation pops corn:

LOL! Seriously? Steve, you've got a nerve saying I get my information from youtube when you post this obvious hoax as some kind of 'proof.  And yes, sunlight can cause cancer but it's the ultraviolet which causes it, which is an ionizing radiation. The radiation from mobile phones (like microwave and radar) is lower frequency and non-ionizing, therefore it doesn't have the power to break down cells.

Your arrogance is really something. Why do you think you know better than all the scientists and professionals who have been studying this for decades? So maybe you've done your own tests and experiments, but that's why there is peer review; it weeds out the crackpots. Where is your peer-reviewed paper which shows that mobile phones do actually cause cancer?

QuoteI've lost track of the amount of rubbish and blatant lies "official" mainstream media has published. The media regurgitate crap, and report whatever they're told to report. There is very little proper investigative journalism, where the media properly research to ascertain the facts for themselves. But mainstream media just report. They don't have the capacity to determine fact from fiction.

So where do you get your news and information from? You mentioned wikipedia and that they 'manipulate'. That's not true, but their information may be unreliable because anyone can edit it and it's not vetted. But by and large it works quite well precisely because of the 'wisdom of the crowd'. The more knowledgeable editors there are on a topic, the more reliable it is. It's been compared quite favourably with Encyclopedia Britannica on many subjects, especially science.

It's very fashionable to be critical of the mainstream media, but although they are not perfect and can be biased, at least they have standards and generally don't put out inaccurate information and lies, or opinion posing as fact, unlike the hundreds of misleading sites out there. e.g. One America News, The Epoch Times, or (worst of all) infowars.com.
I recommend you install newsguard in your browser. They have made it freely available for the next couple of months because there is so much misinformation about the virus.

link:s://:.newsguardtech.com/

After installing it, go to those sites I mentioned above and check the ratings. Then go to the mainstream media sites like bbc, cnn, and foxnews to check theirs. And if you think that newsguard itself is trying to manipulate and in on the conspiracy, I'm afraid all hope for you is lost. Actually, from your manic ravings, I think it already is.

QuoteIronically, I believe he's right about many of the apparently wacky theories, like the existence of the reptilian race, and bloodlines of certain families. Is it really so difficult to believe we arent the only species in the universe, and that some of them have no problem with using us to their advantage? We do it to animals. We're no different. Or is it more believable that we're the only ones in the entire universe, and even if we weren't alone, all races would come rushing to love us with flowers and gifts?

Again, seriously?! This is no better than flat earth theory, which you are always deriding. The flat earthers come up with all kinds of 'evidence' that the earth really is flat and all proof to the contrary is just attempts to suppress that 'truth', just like Icke and his followers can 'prove' that the lizard people really do exist. You need to learn what evidence is and how to tell it from BS.

Icke is either insane or in it for the money, or perhaps a little of both. He's a professional conspiracy theorist and has made millions from his books and videos. People love conspiracy theories because it gives them the feeling that things don't just happen by chance, but there is always an agent with a purpose behind the seemingly random events, and that's comforting.

Do you smoke a lot of weed? It can make you anxious and paranoid.

(link:s://img.techpowerup.org/200410/weedparanoia.jpg) 

Quote from: Steve on Apr 09, 02:51 AM 2020
I'm about half way through the video. A lot of what he says is true, and a lot of what he says NEEDS VERIFICATION. So anyone researching for themselves will need to carefully check facts. He says a LOT of things that ordinary people would have no idea about, so it would be easy to dismiss what he says as bullshit.

I'm fair to any theory, and like to do proper research before giving a solid opinion. I even seriously looked at flat Earth before, only to find it was trash, and Flat Earthers really had no clue.

So i'll look into David's main argument, which is Covid-19 doesn't even exist. I'm skeptical. But I'll do some research first.

I had a look at some maps:

WORLD POPULATION BY COUNTRY
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43186;image
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43186;image)


COVID-19 INFECTIONS BY COUNTRY
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43188;image)


5G ACCESS VIA COUNTRY
(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43190;image)



CONSIDERATIONS

* We would expect places with higher populations will have better technology, AND higher covid19 infection rates. So the maps would naturally have similar areas.

* But if what David says is true, there would be a stronger correlation between the BOTTOM two maps (5g Access vs COVID-19 cases). Have a look and see what you think. It looks to be there is a higher correlation between the bottom two maps.

* The blue areas in the 5G map are planned 5G areas. we'd need to see how many of these areas actually have 5G.

* There are tonnes of other considerations, like what about infections on cruise ships?

This whole thing is a puzzle and would probably take weeks of research to determine whether of not David has a case. Again he's wrong about some things, and right about some things. Nobody is going to be 100% right.

Initially looking at these, I'd say the data SUPPORTS David's claims. But again there is far more to consider. There seems to be an inordinate amount of countries with HIGH POPULATION, BUT NO 5G, AND NO OR FEW COVID CASES

Great work Steve! Indeed there is a strong correlation when we compare the bottom 2 maps.

My approach is the same - we shouldn't take anyone's word and a lot of what David said needs verification. But certainly the official narrative is looking less and less plausible.

I would greatly appreciate it, if you would continue to post your findings in this thread.

QuoteThere seems to be an inordinate amount of countries with HIGH POPULATION, BUT NO 5G, AND NO OR FEW COVID CASES

NO. Here in the UK there are cities where there is no 5G yet, but there are many cases of the virus, which rules out 5G as the cause.

The mainstream view is that the virus is transmitted from person to person. All the scientific evidence points to it, and there is no evidence that 5G is to blame, so why even go down that road?

It's a conspiracy! We have to blame someone! lol

Joe, look at the maps, and read what I said. I get it, you want to be right about something.

I don't have time to pull apart your incorrect logic, narrow views, naivety and misunderstandings, again.

 Mike Adams:
David Icke and Brian Rose owe the world an apology.
New brain-damaging disease “Stupid-19” makes people think the coronavirus is a HOAX
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-09-new-brain-damaging-disease-stupid-19-coronavirus-hoax.html

Hello Joe and Steve, thought I might jump into the virus and 5G discussion a little.

Regardless if 5G is involved with the virus or not cell towers project frequencies (EMFs) and these frequencies are not healthy. They are damaging to the humanbody and lower the immune system.

Take a look at this data from France

link:s://s16164.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cell-tower-health-chart.jpg

link:s://:.safespaceprotection.com/emf-health-risks/emf-health-effects/cell-towers/

Now ofcourse in any debate we can continue to go back and forth but when even the Apple iPhone Manual says the following we should be very concerned.

link:s://:.shieldyourbody.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/apple-iphone-RF-warning-300x126.jpeg

Think how many hours an average person has a cell phone TOUCHING their ear centimeters away from the brain. But the average person has never heard of this official warning. The question also arises did they not test what happens when the cell phone is in direct contact with the ear longterm? I think they did and its not pretty.

We are to assume 4G and 5G EMF are 100% safe? I doubt it big time.

Dont get me wrong, I am not against EMF techonlogy, there are many devices that make EMF safe but they are not being implemented because financial profits are more important then safety (as we have seen over and over again in human history)

Quote from: Mortagon on Apr 10, 03:18 PM 2020
Mike Adams:
David Icke and Brian Rose owe the world an apology.
New brain-damaging disease “Stupid-19” makes people think the coronavirus is a HOAX
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-09-new-brain-damaging-disease-stupid-19-coronavirus-hoax.html

These are official MORTAGON


80% false positive rate for coronavirus test (NIH)
Was suspiciously "withdrawn" either way the false positive rate is significant
link:s://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/

CDC instruction to doctors = guess if a person has died from covid-19 when no test has been done
link:s://:.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/?utm_source=site&utm_medium=protrumpnews&utm_campaign=can&fbclid=IwAR3Af4JN4Vh9qibNGwoc-QkGYO8qDAvXSMDAq0olvymYBOdFg-x3ftCXs4M

CDC stats say there is a historic drop in people dying from pneumonia
link:s://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU9CcZyUwAI4Igd?format=jpg&name=medium

These facts are just a few

Not saying its a hoax but........I havent seen stranger things

THE INTERVIEW YOU SHOULD NOT SEE FROM YOUTUBE - DAVID ICKE watch out, see what awaits us  : link:s://jensen.nl/het-interview-dat-je-niet-mag-zien-van-youtube

Hopefully you wake up

Happy Easter

Marie

Please don't call the virus Cov-19, because it's offensive.

The communist propaganda machine should not be allowed to control how people think. Please call it by it's correct names. The Chinese Covid-19 Virus, the Chinese Virus, or the Wuh Flu are acceptable. The origin of the virus should always be included in the name.

The Wuhun Institute of Virology Covid-19 Virus is acceptable as well.

Thanks,

The General

Please don't call the virus Cov-19, because it's offensive!!!

The communist propaganda machine should not be allowed to control how people think. Please call it by it's correct names. The Chinese Covid-19 Virus, the Chinese Virus, or the Wuh Flu are acceptable. The origin of the virus should always be included in the name.

The Wuhun Institute of Virology Covid-19 Virus is acceptable as well.

Thanks,

The General

Bill Maher is correct.

link:s://:.foxnews.com/entertainme...ronavirus-chinese-virus-we-should-blame-china

Just look at the pragmatic use this virus serves China by. It culls the elderly and the weak. This is the worst part of Communism. They run out of other people's money first. Trump is making them run out of American money. So to tighten their belts they need to find a way to get rid of those that use up most of the healthcare in their system. They can also use it to weaken the economies of the world at the same time because they are willing to let their weakest die while the world is stupid enough to try to protect the weakest. I know that I'm talking about myself in this. That's covered under "tough shit" and life is not fair. They are smart enough to let their weakest die. We are not. We have already done great harm to ourselves. This is a new kind of world war. We just got hit by a global Pearl Harbor. It makes sense too. We need PPE's for the weakest and we need to go back to work. This will not be the last pandemic. Time to wake up and figure out what really happened.

We are going to see greater digital surveillance, and anything that leads to greater control over people. Like i said at the start, whether or not covid19 was deliberate, its being used to push agendas.

At first the changes will seem like a great idea. Almost necessary. That's the idea. Its the abuse of that power later thats the problem.

It appears it does exist.

However, gaps in the official narrative are opening wide up. For example, the death rate is being greatly exaggerated. Deliberately. Why?

This virus appears not much worse than the typical flu.

I bet my balls they're eventually going to somehow use some kind of digital id or tracking linked to vaccinations or covid immunity. And if we don't have it for whatever reason, life will be more difficult.

This has been in planning for a long time. It won't be a coincidence.

Quote from: superbet on Apr 11, 06:20 PM 2020
THE INTERVIEW YOU SHOULD NOT SEE FROM YOUTUBE - DAVID ICKE watch out, see what awaits us  : link:s://jensen.nl/het-interview-dat-je-niet-mag-zien-van-youtube

Hopefully you wake up

Happy Easter

Marie

This video has unfortunately been removed and is now available at   link:s://lbry.tv/@TheCryptoManiac:1a/the-coronavirus-conspiracy-london-real-david-icke:8

Its also at link:s://banned.video/ along with other banned videos.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 01:33 AM 2020
It appears it does exist.

However, gaps in the official narrative are opening wide up. For example, the death rate is being greatly exaggerated. Deliberately. Why?

This virus appears not much worse than the typical flu.

Based on what evidence/factors makes you think that it does actually exist?

David flat out called it a hoax, so I am very curious.

There is not the slightest shred of evidence that 5G causes the virus.

link:s://heavy.com/news/2020/04/david-icke-coronavirus-video/

Joe, you know nothing about the energy field of the body, and neither do most people. And there's evidence contrary to your understanding. Im working on providing details, not specifically for you who's so far behind, but anyone not so programmed. There's a real war going on, and i dont have time to waste on you.

Winforus, i think its real because credible people have identified it as real.

There's evidence phone radiation adversely affects the immune system. You can find details but I'll write more soon. This war is much bigger than a virus.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 02:41 AM 2020This has been in planning for a long time. It won't be a coincidence.

Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist. Nothing is ever coincidence - 'they' are always to blame.  ;D

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 06:24 AM 2020And there's evidence contrary to your understanding. Im working on providing details,

I hope it's better than the youtube vid with the popcorn, lol. Sorry Steve, I just can't take seriously anything you say anymore, at least not regarding this.

Joe, you challenged me to prove my "theories".  I started with something simple: banking.

My proof was the actual law, and documents written by the federal reserve. "Theory", right? You back peddled, quickly googled pages, and further revealed your poor understanding. You put your foot in it again. I corrected you, which embarrassed you.

You made a fool of yourself. Don't blame me.

Now you're making it personal, trolling and attacking me. You arent adding anything to the conversation here.

You've truly got no idea what you're talking about and like i said, youre wasting my time.

The majority of people have enough intelligence and awareness to know something isn't right. And we're discussing it.  You're still fast asleep. You'll find out soon enough. So pretty please, stop trolling.

Again you making it personal ultimately harms you, because you reject reality to protect your ego. Youre even using strawman arguments. If i make a mistake then sure, prove it and ill gladly correct myself. But dont misquote me or take my words out of context to try winning points.

For the record joe, radiation doesnt need to be ionizing to affect health. Any energy, even sound waves, do affect health. The effects are often subtle, but significant. I understand you learn from CNN and censored youtube so you don't know better.

You merely believe what others say, without experience. I've been living and studying this nearly all my life. You dont know better.

And read what i wrote about the education of typical biologists.

I'm preparing some information to assist others. You might learn from it too. But considering you had trouble with the federal reserve documents, im not sure you'll understand more complex matters.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 07:33 AM 2020You made a fool of yourself. Don't blame me.

No Steve, it's not me that's making a fool of myself. Just to remind you of your 'proof' that mobile phones are harmful :



Do you really expect anyone to take this seriously? It's ironic that all the things you accuse me of are what you are actually doing, like back-pedaling when you get caught out. And accusing me of being ego-driven, when it's you who claim to be the expert when you didn't even finish your physics degree, and merely assert that the scientific community has it all wrong. Do you realize how arrogant that is?

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 08:05 AM 2020I understand you learn from CNN and censored youtube so you don't know better.

That's BS. I post links to reputable news sources and scientific sites (and CNN is a reliable source - don't bring politics into this). How you have the nerve to accuse me of this when you post youtube vids like the above just beggars belief.  You are the troll, not me.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 08:05 AM 2020For the record joe, radiation doesnt need to be ionizing to affect health. Any energy, even sound waves, do affect health.

This is a typical example of your back-pedaling and bait and switch tactics. First you said that mobile phones cause cancer, but now it's 'radiation doesn't need to be ionizing to affect health'. I wasn't denying that radiation affects health, but that radiation from mobile phones causes cancer.

Where is the evidence that radiation from mobile phones causes cancer?

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 06:24 AM 2020

Winforus, i think its real because credible people have identified it as real.

There's evidence phone radiation adversely affects the immune system. You can find details but I'll write more soon. This war is much bigger than a virus.

By real, do you mean real as the actual virus, that is contagious and that spread person to person? 

I am certainly very interested in the details and information that you will be posting and providing. I will be following very closely.

Joe, ill provide details of testing that proves mobile phone radiation causes cancer. It's not hard to find, read what I already wrote. I'll give direct links soon. Again Im preparing information for everyone.

Before i provided the document from the federal reserve, was i backpeddling? How about aftet i provided the document? Joe, you can use such words, but anyone can read back in the thread.

You're a good example of ignorance and narrow vision. Before you criticize people that believe the lizard people exist, maybe criticize people who believe some ancient reptillian god seeks to manipulate mankind. That would include.... the pope, and billions of people who believe in Christ. Christmas and Easter is based on these beliefs. Even your government's leaders swear on the book that speaks of this reptillian.

So these reptilian conspiracy theorists aren't such a minority after all... are they?  :thumbsup:

Joe, enough is enough. At this point it is becoming spam. I don't think you will be able to understand Steve and your arguments do not add any value to this thread.

Just agree to disagree, and if in the future you do become interested in Steve's POV, then you can rejoin the discussion from a different place. (not trying to prove/disprove, but instead with curiosity to learn)

Joe, CNN reports, it doesn't investigate. It is biased and often very inaccurate. You dont know better because your knowledge is based on what youre told.

And I've referred to youtube with content that hasnt been censored. Other things have been censored. Im not saying you cant refer to youtube. Im saying dont really wholly on it.

Youre wasting my time again. An AP is perceived as arrogant because they understand fundamental facts, they are sure of. And people with less knowledge perceive their confidence as arrogance. Its the same case here.

You dont know it yet. You're clueless. And i need to stop wasting my time on you. I'll publish further information in time.

Winforus, i know people personally who research the virus. Many companies do though. They are rushing to find a vaccine. So i have no reason to doubt the virus is real.

The people talking about 5g are mostly arguing that it affects the immune system, which it likely does. But i believe the 5g network is more about control than the virus directly. Im still researching it so i havent fully decided.

Definitely though 5g is not a good idea. All the incoherent radiation is harmful. 5g is highest frequency so probably worst. The whole wireless techology needs to change so the radiation is coherent. That would be some design challenge though.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 08:33 AM 2020Before you criticize people that believe the lizard people exist, maybe criticize people who believe some ancient reptillian god seeks to manipulate mankind. That would include.... the pope, and billions of people who believe in Christ.

WTF are you talking about? Steve, I really think you've lost it.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 08:33 AM 2020Joe, ill provide details of testing that proves mobile phone radiation causes cancer. It's not hard to find, read what I already wrote.

Apparently it's too hard for reputable scientists to find though. But then, they're all part of the conspiracy aren't they?  ::)

Quote from: winforus on Apr 12, 08:38 AM 2020Joe, enough is enough. At this point it is becoming spam. I don't think you will be able to understand Steve and your arguments do not add any value to this thread.

This thread is about covid-19. I am free to post any comments I like about it and disagree with anyone. Since when have you been appointed a moderator?

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 09:20 AM 2020
WTF are you talking about? Steve, I really think you've lost it.

The bible and anyone who believes in Christ.

It wasnt obvious??

Who believes that god is a reptile?

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 09:22 AM 2020
Apparently it's too hard for reputable scientists to find though. But then, they're all part of the conspiracy aren't they?  ::)

No they aren't. But there is such a thing as not fully understanding what they're researching. Read back what i wrote about the different branches of science.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 09:28 AM 2020
Who believes that god is a reptile?

Im taking about satan. You know, the lizard people bad guy in the bible than billions of people believe exists. Joe you're just clogging up the thread now really.

The 5G thing is good example of how believing in conspiracy theories can be dangerous. If you believe it then you're not likely to practice social-distancing, and as direct result you could be responsible for many deaths.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=295&v=5F3lKtxNNLo&feature=emb_logo

But still it's got twice as many dislikes as likes!  ;D  :'(

Joe, you're actually quite thick. The vast majority of people talking about 5g aren't saying 5g causes covid, only that it affects the immune system. And it likely does this. Why else do you think phones come with a radiation warning? Because its healthy for you? Because it improves you immune system? Wake up.

Again you've got not idea about sacred geometry, harmonic energy and the energy field of humans. But first learn about simple things: banking law.

Steve, no, you're the dummy. And where did I say that 5G directly causes the virus? Some people might believe that, but in any case it doesn't affect my point, which is that even if people believe that 5G only lowers the immune system, they won't be so concerned about social-distancing if they don't have 5G in their area. I know you want to win the argument, but try to think before shooting me down, it just makes you look stupid.

QuoteWhy else do you think phones come with a radiation warning? Because its healthy for you? Because it improves you immune system? Wake up.

Again, where is the evidence that mobile phones cause cancer?

QuoteAgain you've got not idea about sacred geometry, harmonic energy and the energy field of humans.

There's nothing wrong with art, mathematics and spirituality in itself, but it's a problem when it poses as science and claims to have solutions when there is no proof. 

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 11:16 AM 2020And where did I say that 5G directly causes the virus?

Of course that should have been 'Where did I say that people believe 5G directly causes the virus'.

And how do you know that the 'vast majority' of people think that covid-19 only affects the immune system? There are two camps in the conspiracy theory : that it only affects the immune system, and that there is actually no virus at all but the symptoms of an apparent virus is actually the effect of 5G. The origin of this latter theory can be traced back to this facebook post:

link:s://:.facebook.com/joshyjones89/posts/10157798506676224

Quote from: Steve on Apr 12, 09:03 AM 2020
Winforus, i know people personally who research the virus. Many companies do though. They are rushing to find a vaccine. So i have no reason to doubt the virus is real.

Other than David Icke, there are other people who claim to have studied viruses, etc for many years, who are making an argument that it's not real.

I would be very interested to get your opinion on this: link:s://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

The reason most countries have overreacted to the Chinese covid-19 virus is because Intel agencies believe that the virus very likely came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.  The idea of a super contagious respiratory virus escaping a bio lab scares the hell out of world leaders, as it should.  This is not saying that the virus was necessarily a weapon, only that the virus likely escaped the lab.  The fact that it attacks people with certain blood types and genes does make it suspicious.   Smokers are screwed.  This is why nations are treating the Wuhan virus differently than the 2009 novel virus.

I’ve been saying for awhile now that this was a lab mistake

Studying coronaviruses in bats in China at labs? Too coincidental

Just like the pandemic mistake of 1977

Is there anyone who thinks this was all 100% from Bat Wonton Soup, and what we're being told is the truth?

The CCP tells everyone the truth, so they say. Our governments also tell us the truth, so they say.

Hello everyone,

Hope you all staying safe.  I haven't read all 25 pages. However, not sure if the movie CONTAGION has been mentioned.

If it hasn't please go watch it and find the resemblance to what we going through.

I hate and I hope I am wrong, this is a war against an enemy who is not visible.

Good Luck all and stay safe.

Who else thinks the World Health Organization is either run by retarded people, or isn't telling us everything?

link:s://:.4bc.com.au/world-health-organisation-supports-reopening-of-chinese-wet-markets/

Azim, good to see you posting. Stay safe and may we all  enjoy our little corner of hell

We can at least put to bed the theory that there is a link between covid-19 and 5G.

link:s://:.metabunk.org/threads/debunking-correlations-between-5g-deployments-and-coronavirus.11196/

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 08:09 AM 2020And accusing me of being ego-driven

Yes, because you've made it really personal, especially after showing how little you knew.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 08:09 AM 2020when it's you who claim to be the expert when you didn't even finish your physics degree, and merely assert that the scientific community has it all wrong

I quit my course because it was slow, and I could learn faster by myself.

As I said before: I'm not saying I know everything. But I know more than most people with a master's degree in physics. That's because they all learned from the same books I've read. What they miss is extended research, which you don't find in college text books. The physics and anomalies that invalidate some long-held theories from text books.

More specifically, a biologist will study living cells etc. A mathematician studies equations. A physicist studies practical applications of math and theory. What I do is work on models that account for all science. That includes biological, sound, physics, metaphysical, solar, gravity, mathematical and more - everything together. And that's what modern scientists should do, but they dont. They only look at their own narrow teachings. It's like how string theory accounts for everything. It's close, but not quite correct as I see it. Those strings are just vibrations everywhere. All "physical form" comes from harmonic vibrations.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 08:13 AM 2020I post links to reputable news sources and scientific sites (and CNN is a reliable source - don't bring politics into this)

Again, CNN just report the official narrative. It's not independent. It's part of the same group of corporations. Do you really expect any company to report news against their interests?

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 11:16 AM 2020'Where did I say that people believe 5G directly causes the virus'.

Right here:

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 06:10 AM 2020
There is not the slightest shred of evidence that 5G causes the virus.

You're referring to theories that some people have, which is that "5G causes the virus".

And sure, some people believe that. I don't personally believe it. But I do believe various wireless radiation adversely affects health, including the immune system.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 08:18 AM 2020This is a typical example of your back-pedaling and bait and switch tactics. First you said that mobile phones cause cancer, but now it's 'radiation doesn't need to be ionizing to affect health'.

No, you just havent understood it. Both mobile phone radiation causes cancer, AND it adversely affects health.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 08:18 AM 2020Where is the evidence that radiation from mobile phones causes cancer?

There's lots. Start here:
link:s://:.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-exposure-radio-frequency-radiation-associated-cancer-male-rats

The National Toxicology Program (NTP) concluded there is clear evidence that male rats exposed to high levels of radio frequency radiation (RFR) like that used in 2G and 3G cell phones developed cancerous heart tumors, according to final reports released today.

Oh but wait, the radiation is "non ionizing".... so it can't cause cancer. Isn't that what you said?

Like I said before, there's no question on whether or not mobile phone radiation causes cancer. The question is more the levels of radiation.

In the testing referred to above, the exposure was high. So we know for a fact high exposure causes cancer. This was clear to me back when my ex girlfriend developed cancer in her ear (she was addicted to her mobile phone).

As was also highlighted in this thread, the mobile phones have warnings in the instructions to hold the phone a few centermeters away from your ear when talking. This is to comply with the safety standards. I wonder how many people understand that holding the phone to their ear greatly increases their chance of cancer. The warnings are fine print, not bold warnings on the packaging.

Now that you're more up to speed on the fact mobile phone radiation causes cancer, you need to understand prolonged exposure even at low doses will at the very least adversely affect your health. There are more things that can happen, not just cancer.

Whether or not you get cancer depends on many variables, including your genetics, radiation exposure, and countless other variables.

Tell me Joe, do you know how many times the "authorities" have proclaimed something is safe, only for us to find it certainly wasn't safe? Start by looking into things like drug recalls from the FDA. Things they initially approved, but later recalled because they caused heart attacks, strokes, cancer, and so on.

Do you know who does the testing to get FDA approval on new drugs? The company that made the drug.

With billions at stake, what's stopping a pharmaceutical company from conducting a bunch of trials, and presenting the more favorable results? My point is the testing is BIASED. It is a broken system.

There are holes all over the place. And its no different to most testing to determine the safety of particularly profitable technologies, like 5G.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 12, 11:16 AM 2020There's nothing wrong with art, mathematics and spirituality in itself, but it's a problem when it poses as science and claims to have solutions when there is no proof.

Joe, your understanding is so limited you didn't understand I wasn't talking about spirituality. 

I was referring to the most pure science there is. It's everything. It is mathematics, physics, biology and more. Start with these topics:

- Tesla, 369 and what he said about frequency and vibration
- Sound harmonics and patterns in sand, and how matter is formed

There's so much more. I've been studying this all my life, Joe. It begins with mathematics and science, but becomes related to spirituality because it is all part of the same thing - who and what we are. What everything is. I'm not talking about a mysterious god in the clouds.

Again Joe I really dont have time to explain it all to you. Do your own research.

Somewhere back in your posts, you suggested I use a "fake news" detector. Again Joe, that's relying on what a central source says.

Stop basing your knowledge on what you're told. Do your own research, from a variety of sources (not centralized sources), including your own experience.

I'm sorry to say again you're clueless about what's really going on, and you're a waste of my time.

As for the 5G correlation to COVID-19, I'm undecided. As I said before, at the very least I believe it will weaken the immune system. Any incoherent radiation would. I'll look at what you just posted, but so far it doesn't appear to be considering if 5G was weaponized, it could be targeted to specific regions. To draw a proper correlation between 5G and coronavirus, we'd need to look at:

1. The correlation between how widely used 5G is in specific regions (not just rollout) - this opens a whole new can of worms because how can you determine this, and many other such factors?

2. The relevance of false positives (80% inaccurate).

3. The false reporting of covid-19 causing deaths.

4. How a weakened immune system causes real disease, and how the real disease spreads.

There's much more to consider than maps. So again I'm undecided on this, but I'll have a look at what you posted.

This also might be of interest:

link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5e92121f784e4600946f7979

It's so nice to see a steady decrease of active cases in Austria, and also in Switzerland. Hopefully it will happen in other countries very soon.

(link:s://pichost.net/i/2020/04/14/imaged153a1beb82c125e.png)

Yeah but check out Australia. We totally rock.

(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=43237;image)

But everyone is totally screwed regardless. Coming up soon is the whole vaccination, cashless and surveillance mess.  This is far from over.

In any case, keep asking questions, keep looking for the truth. Don't believe everything you see or read. Expect groups to try and push their agendas. Its inevitable and already happening.

It's like a 1% mortality rate (almost all are old people), and the vast majority of cases aren't even reported as the symptoms are mild, AND so many tests are false positives. Hmmm. I'm thinking high tax rates cause more deaths.

Nevermind, let's mess up the whole country, and world.

Joe, the video you posted was disappointingly brief. But it's the kind of thing we still need to be looking at.

The most significant part was no 5G in Iran. But this is discounting the possibility that 4G or any kind of radiation can be weaponized.

But this weaponry uses similar frequencies to 5G:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=u9p5naCkz2w

If it can be used to mess with water, which is what we're mostly made of, then do you really want to be surrounded by this radiation?

That's one issue with 5G. Whether or not it's related to coronavirus is another matter. We do need mobile phone networks, but there's a harmful side to it. It needs to be done in a safer way.

I believe Tesla had the right approach. His Magnifying Transmitter used the ground as a medium to conduct signals. I believe what he had was the beginning of the technology we'll use for mobile phone networks eventually.

There is 5G available in the city where I live, I will let you know when I'm dying.  ;)

The World Health Organisation is a pack of backflipping mealy-mouthed dog-whistling FRAUDSTERS!

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They're awesome. But the original favour is best.

Quote from: ati on Apr 14, 04:05 AM 2020
There is 5G available in the city where I live, I will let you know when I'm dying.  ;)

ATI - the minute we are born - we are all dying!  :twisted: :xd: ....our tangible form anyway

-Nice diligent posts Steve-

Steve, I've tried to post a reply but I'm getting the follow error message :

QuoteThe following error or errors occurred while posting this message:
You are using forbidden words, please improve your language

There are no swear words in my post, so could you give me a list of what the 'forbidden' words are?

Quote from: Steve on Apr 14, 03:05 AM 2020
There's lots. Start here:
link:s://:.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-exposure-radio-frequency-radiation-associated-cancer-male-rats

The National Toxicology Program (NTP) concluded there is clear evidence that male rats exposed to high levels of radio frequency radiation (RFR) like that used in 2G and 3G cell phones developed cancerous heart tumors, according to final reports released today.

Oh but wait, the radiation is "non ionizing".... so it can't cause cancer. Isn't that what you said?

Like I said before, there's no question on whether or not mobile phone radiation causes cancer. The question is more the levels of radiation.

In the testing referred to above, the exposure was high. So we know for a fact high exposure causes cancer.

In fact, this study raised more questions than it answered, and the results were so inconsistent (why only male rats were affected, and not female rats or mice? why was the average life span actually LONGER for the affected rats?) that they are more likely a false positive, ie due to random chance. Read the following article.

link:s://skepticalinquirer.org/2018/07/cell-phone-radiation-and-cancer/

And look at the overall incidence of cancer over the last few decades; if phones caused cancer, you would expect the numbers of people with cancer to correlate with the massive increase in phone use, but there is no correlation at all.

(link:s://img.techpowerup.org/200414/screenshot.png)

Strange, eh?

Quote
Somewhere back in your posts, you suggested I use a "fake news" detector. Again Joe, that's relying on what a central source says.

Stop basing your knowledge on what you're told. Do your own research, from a variety of sources (not centralized sources), including your own experience.

You mean like the government site with the results of the NTP study which you directed me to? You seem quite happy to reference 'centralized' sites when it suits your agenda, rather hypocritical, don't you think?

So it's better to go to sites like infowars or Icke for your information? Yeah, that makes sense. Again this is your paranoia working; 'they' are all in it together and any 'centralist' site cannot be trusted.  ::)

That includes Wikipedia, CNN, Foxnews, BBC, ABC, New York Times, Telegraph, all government websites worldwide, most scientific bodies (since most scientists are funded by governments), etc etc. They are all in cahoots and conspiring against us!

And yes, we should be cautious about claims made by companies who have vested interests. The 'big pharma' conspiracy theory is not implausible. But for the whole system to be biased and broken, as you say, that would mean that there are no independent journalists, professional bodies, watchdogs, etc. At least, none with any power to change anything, which is complete nonsense and not at all how the world works, when you look at the bigger picture.

If you're referring specifically to newsguard, they are independent and funded by donations.

link:s://:.newsguardtech.com/about/why-should-you-trust-us/

Why should I trust David Icke or Alex Jones, or some teenager in his mum's basement?

Quote from: Steve2. The relevance of false positives (80% inaccurate).

Are you implying that the 5G towers are somehow causing false positives or negative with the Chinese coronavirus tests?


The number one cause of cancer is.......


Randomness. 

Additives in the foods are a major cause of cancer

What else? Vitamin D deficiency

Vitamin D activates T cells that attack cancer cells. We don’t get enough. It’s important to supplement.

5g is a crackpot theory

And yes it’s likely the Wuhan virus was a lab mistake. Not a weapon. Not created. Just a release mistake. Like the pandemic of 1977

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:32 PM 2020
Steve, I've tried to post a reply but I'm getting the follow error message :

There are no swear words in my post, so could you give me a list of what the 'forbidden' words are?

I assume you figured this out. They'e mostly spam words, probably related to pharmaceuticals, because a lot of spam promotes drugs.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:42 PM 2020In fact, this study raised more questions than it answered, and the results were so inconsistent (why only male rats were affected, and not female rats or mice? why was the average life span actually LONGER for the affected rats?) that they are more likely a false positive, ie due to random chance. Read the following article.

You asked for proof that mobile phone radiation causes cancer. There's heaps of evidence. I referred to one study on a government website. If you still have doubts, do more research.

Who knows why the average lifespan was longer for specific rats. Maybe those particular rats had better genes, and would have lived longer regardless. There are lots of variables not considered in typical testing - both known and unknown variables.

QuoteThe peer review panel (Actions from Peer Review 2018) voted to label the cell phone cardiac schwannoma association as demonstrating “clear evidence” of carcinogenicity and the glioma association as showing “some evidence.” (These reports are all online at the NTP website at ntp.niehs.nih.gov.)

An example of things not considered are different DNA resonates at different frequencies. Different species and even individual animals will respond differently to different frequencies. But you can generalize as to which frequency ranges or types of radiation will have particular effects, within certain tolerances. It is not an exact science, because every life form is unique. Blasting some test animal is very vague and limited testing. It's not so practical to test a very wide ranges of species, specific animals etc with different frequencies, because there are so many variables. At least this study was quite conclusive, despite the limitations.

I do not trust the FDA because they've constantly proven to be FULL OF SHIT.

Consider the countless drugs they've first approved, then recalled. So first they assure us they're safe, then suddenly they're deadly.

QuoteIn 2017 alone, manufacturers recalled 4,402 drug and device products, according to the Center for Devices and Radiological Health and the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. Of those recalls, the FDA classified 139 as Class I. Class I recalled products have the potential to cause serious harm or death.

- link:s://:.drugwatch.com/fda/recalls/

Do your own research on how pathetic the FDA are. They are more about business and control than safety.

The research I give more weight to is from independent researchers.

A good example of FDA corruption is in this documentary from Netflix:

link:s://youtu.be/_ot6W_7hvrM

It's not "conspiracy theory". It's just fact that big business puts profit before health and safety. Is it really so hard to believe?

Also see this - watch the whole thing:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OBm2NSMeMhk

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:42 PM 2020And look at the overall incidence of cancer over the last few decades; if phones caused cancer, you would expect the numbers of people with cancer to correlate with the massive increase in phone use, but there is no correlation at all.

Strange, eh?

(link:s://img.techpowerup.org/200414/screenshot.png)

Your chart's Y-axis (for the green bars) shows subscriptions. How many people have mobile phones, but barely use them? I might use mine once every few days. So number of subscriptions is not a reliable indicator.

link:s://canceraustralia.gov.au/affected-cancer/what-cancer/cancer-australia-statistics

And here we see a steadily increasing rate of cancer:
(link:s://canceraustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/statistics/2019-allcancerscombined02.jpg)

Mobile phone radiation is one cause of cancer. I don't have any doubt about it. But the mechanism that actually causes cancer from the radiation is not being understood. I believe it's ultimately caused by a disruption in the energy field of the body, which in turn affects DNA (DNA corruption), and then some new cells grow abnormally, causing more messed up cells to grow (aka cancer).

But radiation is not the only thing that causes cancer. Lots of things do. Read back my explanation with the sand ring and wind as an example. Anything that disrupts the natural energy flow has the capacity to cause cancer, or at the very least ill health.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:53 PM 2020You mean like the government site with the results of the NTP study which you directed me to? You seem quite happy to reference 'centralized' sites when it suits your agenda, rather hypocritical, don't you think?

As I said before, don't rely on one source. Don't put words into my mouth.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:53 PM 2020So it's better to go to sites like infowars or Icke for your information? Yeah, that makes sense. Again this is your paranoia working; 'they' are all in it together and any 'centralist' site cannot be trusted.

Again, no single source should be trusted. You can call this paranoia somehow, but it's common sense. It's also common sense to be especially skeptical of any source that has ties to any group that has a vested interest, or cause for bias. Like for example a pharmaceutical company testing it's own new drugs, with billions at stake. Yet that's how new drugs get approved by the FDA. And because the system is stupid and broken, countless drugs get recalled when its discovered they cause problems, like death. Do your research on drug recall statistics. But it doesn't end there. Joe, maybe you think drug companies doing their own testing is the best policy, and that it doesn't possibly make corruption easier, right?

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:53 PM 2020That includes Wikipedia, CNN, Foxnews, BBC, ABC, New York Times, Telegraph, all government websites worldwide, most scientific bodies (since most scientists are funded by governments), etc etc. They are all in cahoots and conspiring against us!

No Joe. the truth is it's a mixed tangled web of genuine conspiracies (aka rich people who care more about profit than safety), ignorant reporters, conspiracy nuts, genuine and balanced researchers, and more. It's a big mixed soup of everything combined. And the only way to know the truth is consider all sources, all sides, and not lock yourself into one way of thinking.

You are locked into one side it seems: whatever the governments say. Whatever the UN says. Whatever the World Health Organisation says. There are good and bad people in almost every organization. It's all part of the mixed soup of shit, everywhere. You need to balance out your knowledge by looking at the other side. You may have, briefly. But you made the mistake of discounting everything people like David Icke say, just because he gets some things wrong, and comes across like a nutter.

We are on the same side Joe. Look at the bigger picture.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:53 PM 2020And yes, we should be cautious about claims made by companies who have vested interests. The 'big pharma' conspiracy theory is not implausible

Why not implausible? Because where billions is at stake, and bad policies exist, expect corruption. Now apply that same logic to banking, where TRILLIONS is involved, and even worse policies.

I'm not a pessimistic person. I'm just realistic. My "conspiracy theories" aren't mere theories. They are facts, based on clear facts such as ACTUAL LAW AND POLICIES. These aren't theories. I do have "theories" about other things though, which are based on fact. And as my knowledge improves, my theories naturally evolve too.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 12:53 PM 2020But for the whole system to be biased and broken, as you say, that would mean that there are no independent journalists, professional bodies, watchdogs, etc. At least, none with any power to change anything, which is complete nonsense and not at all how the world works, when you look at the bigger picture.

No, because again it's all a big tangled mess of information. There are people with different motives, different understanding, different opinions, different agendas, different morals, and so on. The truth is black and white. But finding the truth is very difficult because of the mess of information.

Joe, does the source of your chart reveal TYPE of cancers? Because the main type of cancer is lung, and the changes in amount of people smoking is very significant. That's why the rate of cancer in your chart probably declined.

It would not be accurate to combine lung cancer statistics with cellular towers. Doing so would be very misleading.

For example, here's the rate of thyroid cancers, and we see an incline from 1990, where there became more mobile phone towers:

(link:s://:.cancer.org/content/dam/cancer-org/images/web-and-app-screenshots/trends-in-incidence-rates-1975-2012.png)
link:s://:.cancer.org/latest-news/4-essential-cancer-charts-for-2016.html

And I think we're off topic with the cancer thing. I dont believe mobile phone radiation is the primary cause of cancers. Smoking appears to take #1 spot. There are countless other things that can lead to DNA damage.

My whole point about mobile phone radiation is that it probably does adversely affect the immune system. And when it comes to 5G, the same frequencies are used in military weaponry, for crowd control, to affect water in our bodies. It also has the capability of reducing oxygen in our blood, and a range of other issues. Do you want this radiation everywhere? I sure don't.

So the radiation is one issue. Another big issue is law and policy changes, finance, new technology, vaccines etc after all this coronavirus crap.

Quote from: The General on Apr 14, 01:35 PM 2020
Are you implying that the 5G towers are somehow causing false positives or negative with the Chinese coronavirus tests?

Not at all.

Quote from: The General on Apr 14, 01:35 PM 2020The number one cause of cancer is.......
Randomness. 

No, it's all cause and effect. Even trng and prng are cause and effect.

5 Ways Melatonin Helps Prevent Cancer
link:s://thetruthaboutcancer.com/5-ways-melatonin-prevents-cancer/

Resonance - Beings of Frequency - Microwaves and Brain Function
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=p42Oj8hV6L0

OUT OF SHADOWS OFFICIAL
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ

Anthony Patch
link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCMQgRqqyR5xGI_PeiZRVr9A/videos

Children Abuse and The Elite: Sex Trade and Adrenochrome
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=XIAgnIK7NM8

The Cabal, Deep State and QAnon E1 The End of the World
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1KNNXGw28rE

Jeffrey Epstein: The Game of the Global Elite [Full Investigative Documentary]
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=7-c-ZOMyLs8&t=178s

Quote from: Mortagon on Apr 20, 01:00 AM 20205 Ways Melatonin Helps Prevent Cancer
link:s://thetruthaboutcancer.com/5-ways-melatonin-prevents-cancer/

Garbage. Read the truth here :

link:s://api.newsguardtech.com/D68DA9460A90C01F5023F3D028384CEC58985B949607FD03F1AA1AC935F09A412098EB410D0A8B6E003BCCAF3F84C7AB7816CC5CA463B02C?cid=724c7c72-6ef9-4aba-bd3f-f593e7624c55

Trump’s personal intelligence
9/11
link:://:.infospecnaz.ru/en/blog/2019/09/24/trumps-personal-intelligence/

EXCLUSIVE: Dr. Rashid Buttar BLASTS Gates, Fauci, EXPOSES Fake Pandemic Numbers As Economy Collapses
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbYHJcMbz8

Boris urged to follow Trump and pull billions in funding from World Health Organisation
link:s://:.express.co.uk/news/uk/1269233/Trump-news-WHO-funding-uk-world-health-organisation-us-donald-trump?fbclid=IwAR3cunBfSHPgmBqh3cs427HcAOdpRJ2tE7zkTJOb85t_jFysOC7It-Kevwc

The Bill Gates globalist vaccine depopulation agenda… as revealed by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-13-bill-gates-globalist-vaccine-depopulation-agenda-revealed.html?fbclid=IwAR3qE9eUoEr8p4XpZwVXmxMr_SzLcFbHcukH21kn2e1JUbux2re_zZwXvPk

THE MANDATE FOR CHOICE - Interview with Robert Kennedy Jr and Del Bigtree - RUSSIAN SUBTITLES
link:s://youtu.be/xu1KshBIIGE?t=1

FDA, FTC hit Alex Jones (InfoWars) with warnings over coronavirus claims related to silver products… is it time to challenge the FDA’s speech tyranny?
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-11-fda-ftc-hit-alex-jones-infowars-warnings-coronavirus-silver-speech-tyranny.html?fbclid=IwAR1soyvmIoC-cVmqcm9XsOsctD3OLpnMEATbvL4aD2mPbAp3FSSnwrSWT8Y

New “Out of Shadows” documentary exposes the media and Hollywood for manipulating the masses with lies and propaganda
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-15-out-of-shadows-documentary-exposes-hollywood-media-lies-propaganda.html?fbclid=IwAR0T-JdU-_PqP4hToO3ybx4JP8dLBTq8_ZolUK5_T7lqRmjDERnCiRrXM30

Big Pharma DYSTOPIA: We are all prisoners until there’s a coronavirus vaccine; then we will be cattle
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-12-big-pharma-prisoner-until-coronavirus-vaccine-then-cattle.html?fbclid=IwAR316Tzn4joWih3R4dIo9nBZl8-thua0qJzBiwN9j06miTUXZ7APx_WSEjA

In 1955, a “life-saving” polio vaccine sickened and fatally paralyzed countless children after being declared “safe and effective”
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-15-polio-vaccine-sickened-fatally-paralyzed-countless-children.html?fbclid=IwAR0ss4ONXNuao_Xav4lV-Ik04giTdvPjraAq3fKz94w5hutOY8oSkC8l7iQ

Government tyranny is FAR more dangerous than covid-19… we must not slide into socialism or communism as we attempt to survive the coronavirus
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-17-government-tyranny-is-far-more-dangerous-than-covid-19.html?fbclid=IwAR2ESMuZqpyFIZeexMOHzTEsub5r9Gi5VWQfL9uObeEy3csvFlKCVqSI9q8

Coronavirus is a dream come true for Bill Gates, who lives to vaccinate
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-17-coronavirus-dream-come-true-for-bill-gates-lives-to-vaccinate.html?fbclid=IwAR3IFMpgpDqEa_cQEq_Uqeh4Gu5S10AsTS2gt3dj1ryKXCr4dAWMmGZl0lE

Five mass delusions Americans still hold about the coronavirus pandemic and economic “recovery”
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-18-five-mass-delusions-americans-still-hold-about-the-coronavirus-recovery.html?fbclid=IwAR1ndIJEhcMR7WjYsF88Hb5swcb4cIJzCxSm1QgL73YqBrDvHqQqexGIr5I

Health care workers are rejecting “KN95” knockoff masks made in China
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-19-healthcare-workers-rejecting-nk95-chinese-knockoff-masks.html?fbclid=IwAR33cl7Q2Cl6-nuZXAhAfF1LbCh_VwHG-X5GSjFCck7z35F0MZJHCM0GQvs

Coronavirus harms the brain and nervous system of one in three patients
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-19-coronavirus-harms-brain-and-nervous-systems.html?fbclid=IwAR1e0jGyFShuZhBj-pjQpwP5wDa50tL7jW4-x8yuYfdvP8hVUULNDAQwTR0

BOOM! Fauci Sweating Bullets! Trump Investigating His $3.7 Million Obama Era Grant to Wuhan Lab!!!
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwndRgw-kI

China sympathizer and WHO director Tedros Ghebreyesus was ranking member of violent Communist movement in Ethiopia
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-19-china-sympathizer-tedros-member-communist-ethiopia.html?fbclid=IwAR3ymgBE8KSH39c903E4ZqaH23ZFz36y6sVZHVcIenq6aA6HhCd_CBBcq_k

Dead bodies litter the beaches as Ecuador sees explosion in fatalities from the coronavirus â€" VIDEO
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-19-dead-bodies-litter-the-beaches-ecuador-coronavirus-video.html?fbclid=IwAR2zrPANkKPWrveVz8pfq4vhM7cdhLbV8g0-5wtcJVVayownx_VMEgHwnSY

Trump Redirects Funds For The WHO, Sends Them To Christian Organizations
link:s://explainlife.com/trump-drops-bomb-on-dems-pelosi-furious-21432/?utm_source=ExplainLife.com&utm_medium=Push&fbclid=IwAR2t-UsLoFdH2K3CIT0KgO7pkHMkv9v7C7Wx4NtQ7PTpv3S4nwNTSAGrVVw

Reflections & Warnings - An Interview with Aaron Russo (FULL)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=LSGZ4Hkdyg4

Trump Has Total Control Over The Fed, It Is Now Complete - Episode 2144a
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ZlgJWihuk

link:s://:.zerohedge.com/markets/historic-oil-crash-sends-canadian-oil-prices-negative

You sure do love naturalnews.com don't you Mortagon?

When are you going to post some 'news' from a reputable network instead of garbage conspiracy theories?

link:s://api.newsguardtech.com/0AC6D638762E582ADD1E73CEF65C81A308AA9BDB2368BBDB6CA08FDF3CD33775811E2E7BF9EF01421A0B5F2F16E1CEFD61A21BC7836EE105?cid=724c7c72-6ef9-4aba-bd3f-f593e7624c55

zerohedge.com isn't much better.   ;D

link:s://api.newsguardtech.com/A07B92513B104D4F9868CB06BCB428651081F7C912DDCA70A6AE1F2219F623090332CFB6BB4E9F4417B58372D62CBA237CC372A05998D9C3?cid=724c7c72-6ef9-4aba-bd3f-f593e7624c55

Joe,
what's the reliability of your Newsguard anyway?  What'S the reliability of main stream medias when they clearly show bias and fake news?
I trust Zerohedge.  Even if it were somewhat affiliated with east-european countries or Russia,, you can't just discard all articles from it.  People should stop demonizing Russia.

What about Marketwatch?  What if it says right on their front page: WTIC at -35.35$?!?!?  Are they fake news?

link:s://:.marketwatch.com/

The US and Australia intelligence are in a full scale investigation to see if the Chinese covid-19 virus escaped a lab in China.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 20, 03:42 PM 2020Joe,
what's the reliability of your Newsguard anyway?  What'S the reliability of main stream medias when they clearly show bias and fake news?

Ben, can you give me an example of a main-stream media site which publishes fake news? By 'fake', I mean lies, not just a political slant, there's a big difference.

There are plenty of sites which aren't 'main stream' (like CNN, BBC, etc) but are reliable sources, but the problem is, how do you know which they are? how do you know which sites are good sources of info and which aren't? If you say newsguard is a 'fake news' site, what is your criteria for deciding which sites are reliable? Is it just that you like the news they show you because it suits your biases and prejudices, and maybe even conspiracy theories? If so, that's not very objective.

Newsguard gives good reasons why they can be trusted.

And of course not all unreliable sites post nothing but fake news; if they did they wouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.

CNN and especially MSNBC are very inaccurate

Quote from: The General on Apr 20, 04:04 PM 2020
CNN and especially MSNBC are very inaccurate

But it's ok.  They're becoming obsolete as their audience is diminishing every day, every next lie / omission.

Quote from: Joe on Apr 20, 04:01 PM 2020
Ben, can you give me an example of a main-stream media site which publishes fake news? By 'fake', I mean lies, not just a political slant, there's a big difference.

Here is one, for a start, although it's old already:
link:s://:.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/04/09/cbs-news-caught-broadcasting-fake-hospital-footage-second-time/
Ask yourself: why did they need to take a shootings from Italy and present it as a NY hospital ''war zone scene''?  Perhaps there is no such war zone in the US Emergency Rooms? 

Just watch elsewhere other than TV and radio.  Most people realize the numbers don't add up.  Even govt officials are now admitting cases are tagged as CV19 deaths although they died from other causes.  Govt officials! admitting!  One example below, from the US.
link:s://twitter.com/i/status/1247680994821509121

And here is a bonus if you really want to be red-pilled.  Have a treat.
Watch this and do not comment on it until you watched it all.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ

But in the end, it's up to you to decide how deep in the rabbit hole you want to search.

Quote from: The General on Apr 20, 04:04 PM 2020
CNN and especially MSNBC are very inaccurate

Just like aiming a gun with cigarette smoke burning up into your eyes.  Very inaccurate.

1. “Stanford study” claiming 55 times higher infection rate is BOGUS SCIENCE that relied on faulty, China-made test kits that produce huge numbers of false positives
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-20-stanford-study-claiming-bogus-science-china-test-kits-false-positive-covid-19.html

2. Don't believe the hype! New optimistic coronavirus research seriously flawed
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Pv77R3g1E&feature=emb_logo

3. Worries mount as coronavirus appears to disable the immune cells that fight it off, reactivating in some people
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-20-coronavirus-appears-to-disable-immune-cells.html

4. Pro-Trump, anti-lockdown protesters demand end to tyranny while refusing to wear masks: Here’s what happens next
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-20-pro-trump-anti-lockdown-protesters-demand-end-to-tyranny.html

(link:s://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/borat-congrats-to-the-corona-virus-for-being-the-first-thing-made-in-china-to-last-longer-than-a-month.jpg)

Aaron Russo -  America Freedom To Fascism
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=CyWH8NJGRsA

Internet Movie Database reference for "Aaron Russo - America Freedom to Fascism"

link:s://:.imdb.com/title/tt0772153/

Mortagon, Thanks for posting the link

Quote from: Mortagon on Apr 20, 04:08 AM 2020
Dead bodies litter the beaches as Ecuador sees explosion in fatalities from the coronavirus â€" VIDEO
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-19-dead-bodies-litter-the-beaches-ecuador-coronavirus-video.html?fbclid=IwAR2zrPANkKPWrveVz8pfq4vhM7cdhLbV8g0-5wtcJVVayownx_VMEgHwnSY

In some places it is a crime to create and share fake news. In my country police are arresting people who spread fake China virus articles for clicks and ad revenue to avoid mass panic.
1 minute in the video and I was 99% sure that it was fake and those bodies must be from a sunken refugee boat. And of course I was right, several people from Ecuador commented under the video that it is definitely not happening there. I know, I know...those are probably fake accounts.
It's sad to see that many people are losing it, as they drown deeper and deeper in the sea of conspiracy theories.

On the bright side, a number of European countries are now seem to be over the worst. Number of cases in Austria are dropping so nicely that they plan to fully reopen all businesses within 10 days.  :thumbsup:

Interesting.

link:s://:.infowars.com/hot-mic-moment-at-coronavirus-task-force-briefing/

link:s://abc7news.com/coronavirus-usc-study-antibody-la-county-covid-19/6118034/

Looks legit. At some point the cracks will widen. There are lots of holes in the official narrative.

About the equador video, i think its fake too. Who the f*ck goes out in the water to die of the flu? And if they died from the flu, whos stupid enough to touch the bodies without hazmat suits and masks? Seriously. That beach footage is old, from an old camera, like around 1990.

Theres a lot of shit going on, a lot of very different data. And the credible data leans towards coronavirus being massively hyped. Why?

Mutated coronavirus strain in India could kill all efforts at creating a vaccine
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-21-mutated-coronavirus-strain-india-kill-efforts-creating-vaccine.html
DOJ sends three US marshals to G2 Church to halt sales of chlorine dioxide
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-21-doj-sends-marshals-g2-church.html

Understanding MMS - Conversations with Jim Humble
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=KRQgM7EDHO0

... and when it just starts to look like we have control of the situation, the mutations will hit us. We are in for some tough times.

The more i look into it, the more i see bullshit. I dont buy the whole bat soup theory. This whole situation and official narrative from the UN and WHO is bullshit.

Quote from: Steve on Apr 22, 04:52 AM 2020I dont buy the whole bat soup theory

Me neither! It's just something to calm people down...

Have a look art this one:
link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5ea09002fc74090055ff2748

I found the most interesting part Bill Gate's patent:
link:s://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

Notice the three 6's?

From the Bible:

QuoteAnd that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast

Bit of a coincidence? There's much more.

Do your research guys. Looks like this one aint just a prophecy.

This should clear everything up nicely:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=wVs5AyjzwRM

I think I'll click to read.

A few weeks ago every report said that smokers are more likely to catch the virus.  :o

I'm with The General on this, if it was up to me, smoking would be illegal.  :P

Damn, i just quit.
Guess I can start again.

Is big industry losing money or something? Now smoking makes us live longer?

Next the McDonald's special sauce protects us.

Misdiagnosis of coronavirus problems interferes with their treatment?
link:s://inews.bg/%D0%97%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D1%82-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%B8%D0%BC-_l.a_c.390_i.646422.html
Bombshell Financial Times analysis reveals total deaths are surging worldwide, regardless of what’s on the death certificates… 50 percent surge in total mortality points to common cause: COVID-19
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-26-bombshell-financial-times-analysis-totaly-mortality-surging-covid-19.html
More people have died from coronavirus than the official numbers suggest, NYT claims
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-26-more-deaths-from-coronavirus-than-numbers-suggest-nyt.html
Did China cover up the deaths of MILLIONS from coronavirus?
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-26-did-china-cover-up-the-deaths-of-millions-from-coronavirus.html
The coronavirus is likely 56 to 100 times MORE DEADLY than the flu; any attempt to end the lockdowns without precautions will result in catastrophe
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-26-coronavirus-56-to-100-times-more-deadly-than-flu-lockdowns-catastrophe.html

Quote from: Mortagon on Apr 20, 03:48 AM 2020
THE MANDATE FOR CHOICE - Interview with Robert Kennedy Jr and Del Bigtree - RUSSIAN SUBTITLES
link:s://youtu.be/xu1KshBIIGE?t=1

Mandated Vaccinations, Get Ready To Say "NO!"
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=RhxjqAt779A

We Call For Investigations Into The "Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation" For Medical Malpractice & Crimes Against Humanity
Created by C.S. on April 10, 2020
link:s://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-call-investigations-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-medical-malpractice-crimes-against-humanity
410,000 People Sign White House Petition To Investigate Bill Gates For Crimes Against Humanity
link:s://newspunch.com/410000-people-sign-white-house-petition-investigate-bill-gates-crimes-against-humanity/?fbclid=IwAR3L_1PtnX0SGzhBhk3UPs0sUIpC6bmCZPSokzIEvovVCWi3LDGYfAfbf60

Seconds After W.H.O., GATES Foundation Hack, Lefty Media SCRAMBLES To Blame One Group | Jason Bermas
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=B34cKGwXwYk&list=PLYMq1vLjw9sAWbx4Jnx5PdN0BAoOyO_7p&fbclid=IwAR2vgii2aEeqjFfdCkm-ZP0fkYzNtW8WNoqGO5tFFul7e0FCP6tvM9dLmHs

Joey Lambardi Releases FunVax Pentagon Lecture!
link:s://funvax.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/joey-lambardi-releases-funvax-pentagon-lecture/

Is FunVax Possible? Dean Hamer and FunVax Scientist Discuss
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=vPyWZ4dbVQc

Everyone I've spoken to can smell a rat. I havent been in contact with a single person who buys the whole official narrative.

Does anyone here think the mortality rates are accurate? Keep in mind 80% of people are asymptomatic, deaths are loosely associated with covid etc. It's impossible that the death rates are accurate. Why the f*ck would they do that?

Quote from: Steve on Apr 27, 06:44 AM 2020It's impossible that the death rates are accurate. Why the f*ck would they do that?

Money, human nature, an opportunistic bandwagon moment started by the Chinese. Just look at the trillions saved for Social Security and Medicare if a nice sized percentage of the elderly living beyond their years kicks off. This stimulus package pays for itself in entitlement spending savings. If you are old and feeble like Joe Biden you need to get off the pay wagon. We might not have started this mess but it does have an ancillary benefit to it. Call it a pragmatic culling. Why don't seniors and those with illness that make them vulnerable have Personal Protective Equipment. That works for the workers. These could be warn by seniors when they get their groceries and medications while they stay isolated otherwise. Where's that great idea yet? Oh yeah, they need to get rubbed out in all this. Can't have that idea floating around.

Quote from: Mortagon on Apr 27, 04:48 AM 2020
Is FunVax Possible? Dean Hamer and FunVax Scientist Discuss
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=vPyWZ4dbVQc

What a great idea. Take a pill for all fundamentalist liberals. And the very sick TDS living with the end stage disease.

New coronavirus strain may be emerging and causing survivors to get REINFECTED
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-27-new-coronavirus-strain-emerging-survivors-reinfected.html
Worried about Trump saying something about injecting disinfectants? You do the same thing every time you get a flu shot with mercury (thimerosal) in it
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-27-injecting-disinfectants-thimerosal-every-time-you-get-a-flu-shot.html
Congress tells FCC to stop 5G rollout in Virginia because it interferes with military signals
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-27-congress-tells-fcc-stop-5g-rollout-virginia-interferes-military.html
Study claims hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work against coronavirus, but it intentionally left out zinc
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-27-study-claims-hydroxychloroquine-doesnt-work-coronavirus-left-out-zinc.html
Coronavirus survivors face a long road ahead as they struggle with long-term damage
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-27-coronavirus-survivors-face-long-term-hardships.html

Coronavirus: US will not participate in WHO vaccine project after Trump turned against it
link:s://:.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-vaccine-who-project-trump-us-covid-19-a9483421.html
CHICAGO HEALTH COMMISSIONER TELLS PUBLIC A MASS VACCINATION CAMPAIGN IS UNDERWAY, ‘WE’VE ALREADY BOUGHT THE SYRINGES’
link:s://:.wakingtimes.com/2020/04/24/chicago-health-commissioner-tells-public-a-mass-vaccination-campaign-is-underway-weve-already-bought-the-syringes/
Chicago is deep in the planning stages of mass vaccinations
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=I4_Y0ONzIJw&feature=emb_logo

Bobby Kennedy Jr. Just How Much Money Bill Gates, Dr. Fauci Will BENEFIT from Vaccine
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=42TvowFheMA

Steve, I think you will find this interview very interesting. This is a doctor who has been censored on MSM and his Youtube video that got 9 million views was removed.

link:s://londonreal.tv/digital-freedom-platform-interview-1-dr-rashid-buttar/

Quote from: winforus on Apr 28, 07:36 AM 2020
Steve, I think you will find this interview very interesting. This is a doctor who has been censored on MSM and his Youtube video that got 9 million views was removed.

link:s://londonreal.tv/digital-freedom-platform-interview-1-dr-rashid-buttar/

Thanks, I'm half way through it. I'll watch the whole thing, and recommend it to others. Good stuff.

I finished the video, and he was spot on. Everyone should watch it. I've shared it to all my mailing lists.

The mainstream media, youtube, facebook etc are losing control. That's why they're censoring so much. You dont know what is being censored, because you dont see it - UNTIL you see it elsewhere, at places like :.banned.video

Quote from: Steve on Apr 29, 03:26 AM 2020
I finished the video, and he was spot on. Everyone should watch it. I've shared it to all my mailing lists.

The mainstream media, youtube, facebook etc are losing control. That's why they're censoring so much. You dont know what is being censored, because you dont see it - UNTIL you see it elsewhere, at places like :.banned.video

I watched it. It was fascinating. If only 10% of it is true then it is disturbing. I can't take what one person says and allow myself to just accept it as fact. I did like the bit about Covid-19 starting out at Chapel Hill, NC and later transferred to China. And controlling society with a virus is certainly a nice new trick to pull on the world.

I am glad you liked it as much as I have Steve, and I see you even sent out the link to your roulettephysics subscribers! :)

Part 6 of the 7 Part Video Series + Christina Aguayo with Americas Voice News l Dr Rashid A Buttar
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=IeRa0ZfKOOg

Wearing masks to block the coronavirus is going to become the new normal
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-29-wearing-masks-coronavirus-will-be-the-new-normal.html
Explosive new Health Ranger presentation streams live May 15 â€" 16: The Depopulation Trifecta: Coronavirus, vaccines and 5G
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-29-explosive-health-ranger-presentation-depopulation-trifecta-coronavirus-vaccines-5g.html
Coronavirus found to linger in the air in crowded spaces
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-29-coronavirus-lingers-in-crowded-spaces.html
New York reports 88% death rate among coronavirus patients put on ventilators
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-29-new-york-88-percent-death-rate-coronavirus-ventilators.html
Bill Gates paralyzed half a million children with polio vaccines â€" do we really want him vaccinating the world for coronavirus?
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-29-bill-gates-paralyzed-children-polio-vaccines-coronavirus.html
The 10 Stages of Coronavirus: Detailed Health Ranger forecasts for 2020 â€" 2021 … “second wave,” disputed elections, stock market crash and more
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-29-the-10-stages-of-coronavirus-health-ranger-forecasts-for-2020-2021.html

If YouTube can now censor doctors for their opinions, they can censor anyone talking about nutrition or healthy eating
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-04-30-youtube-censors-doctors-coronavirus-nutrition-healthy-eating.html
Chinese Communist subversion of the WHO undermined global pandemic response
:.naturalnews.com/2020-05-01-chinese-communist-subversion-of-the-who-undermined-global-pandemic-response.html
Homeland security scientist confirms that natural sunlight kills coronavirus
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-05-01-homeland-security-scientist-natural-sunlight-kills-coronavirus.html
Nearly half of severe coronavirus cases involve neurological complications
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-05-01-nearly-half-of-severe-coronavirus-cases-neurological-complications.html

RED ALERT: President Trump “pivots to mandatory vaccinations,” jumps in with Big Pharma’s diabolical “warp speed” mass medical experiment on the American people
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-05-01-president-trump-pivots-to-mandatory-vaccinations-warp-speed-mass-medical-experiment.html
The Death Science Agenda to EXTERMINATE Humanity - Preview of coming Mike Adams talk in May, 2020
link:s://:.brighteon.com/57b6253a-0d7f-44ed-bf7a-71c340f3a1ce

I REALLY WISH THIS WAS A JOKE -- PURE EVIL! (Operation Warp Speed)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8eZ7C1fRwyY&t=10s

Rock-SOLID Proof Trump is Working WITH Bill Gates to INJECT AMERICA!!
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8qwp4lnKh4g

I guess all this Boggy Man crap is to be expected during times like this. If I have this right Trump wants to kill people with lies that kill. That Bill Gates and Him are out to get us.

Quote from: Mortagon on Mar 11, 06:35 AM 2020
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=T29BDC2AJNw

Big Pharma is rigging everything to make sure approved coronavirus “treatments” don’t actually work at all, while things that do work are discredited or criminalized
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-05-02-big-pharma-rigging-everything-coronavirus-treatments-remdesivir.html
*Peak Prosperity breaks down the total fraud of the attacks on hydroxychloroquine in this video which still hasn’t been banned to YouTube, to our great surprise:
link:s://youtu.be/rN_YpFhdii4
Note too that FDA-ordered raids on colloidal silver makers and chlorine dioxide advocates have sharply increased, while people who provide vitamin C or zinc are being de-platformed or even, in some cases, raided by federal agents at gunpoint.
It’s abundantly clear what’s going on here: Anything that doesn’t earn billions for Big Pharma is being censored or criminalized.
*We are all living under a criminal Big Pharma regime, and Dr. Fauci is one of the cartel leaders who needs to be arrested and prosecuted for fraud and conspiracy against the United States of America, say Drs. Buttar, Shiva and Mikovits, in this Next News Network #FireFauci video report:
link:s://youtu.be/s8qJMbNwheA

It's not "Big Pharma." It's liberals that want businesses to fail. It's the crisis that they have all been waiting for.  They expect people crying, so much to survive, to come to a grateful government and to scrap Capitalism, that obviously does not work anymore. That's why all the stalling to get money to small businesses. They know if they can just run them out of operating cash they can kill them off for good. So they promised loans that would not have to be paid back, getting them to spend that ready capital in their life's savings. Now, once that was depleted, they could just drag it out to the point of nothing more to do but to file bankruptcy. So they successfully killed main street USA by dragging their feet. Liberals are responsible for all the delays. Most family owned small businesses that employ a few employees are not much better than a job. Government regulations and taxes keep them from actually doing well. Ever hear this one? "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 03, 06:12 AM 2020
It's not "Big Pharma." It's liberals that want businesses to fail. It's the crisis that they have all been waiting for.  They expect people crying, so much to survive, to come to a grateful government and to scrap Capitalism, that obviously does not work anymore. That's why all the stalling to get money to small businesses. They know if they can just run them out of operating cash they can kill them off for good. So they promised loans that would not have to be paid back, getting them to spend that ready capital in their life's savings. Now, once that was depleted, they could just drag it out to the point of nothing more to do but to file bankruptcy. So they successfully killed main street USA by dragging their feet. Liberals are responsible for all the delays. Most family owned small businesses that employ a few employees are not much better than a job. Government regulations and taxes keep them from actually doing well. Ever hear this one? "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."

I like this post! The riches are still waiting for the big dip to buy.

Quote from: RayManZ on May 03, 08:13 AM 2020
I like this post! The riches are still waiting for the big dip to buy.

Same as 1929. Got any ideas how a Communistic stock market works?

Let's speculate a little further. The worst thing you can do to a Democrat is to give him/her what they have always wanted. Give them the power to take everything and control everything. Just remember to stash your guns and ammo before they confiscate them. So when it all runs out of "other people's money" as it always and inevitably does we can load up and shoot them for letting us stash our guns for seeing all this coming round the bend.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on May 03, 08:21 AM 2020
Same as 1929. Got any ideas how a Communistic stock market works?

Not sure if you're serious or not. But i dont know how that works. I only know the basics.

Quote from: RayManZ on May 03, 08:30 AM 2020
Not sure if you're serious or not. But i dont know how that works. I only know the basics.

It was sort of a joke. But I can't believe there won't be some kind of monetization of full blown socialism through a fake stock exchange of sorts. Individuals won't own the stock but the elites will have control over anything, group, or executive elitism that does. It will be Capitalism correctly done by the caring control of socialist elites. You will pretend to like the new Happy Capitalism. I'll be happy that my congressman will be driving a brand new Lamborghini and I will be lucky and happy to have a worn out VW.

Steve, here is another interview that you will find very interesting:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=kgnBldI7KPY

This is a whistle blower, former aids scientist, that discusses Dr. Fauci's corruption (crazy stuff) and vaccines. According to her, she was jailed for 5 years because she refused to fabricate a study.

What will everyone here do if vaccines are mandatory? Who will accept it?

I don't think they'll be mandatory in most countries (in some probably). But I believe there will be measures that make you a bit of an outcast if you don't comply with the rules. That's the idea: CHOICE, not direct force. Because if there's direct force, they're more likely to lose control.

They / we are in for the surprise of the century. Let's say that the magic number of people in the world exposed to the virus is only 5% so far. This was achieved by locking everyone down, isolation, and masks. I personally think it is really as high as 20%. They have made it abundantly clear that we need to get above 70% exposed before it becomes a herd immunity situation. That means that it will get way worse real soon. So here is what we get. Do you get wiped out by the virus or the new greatest depression. Here it comes, the second wave.

This is their end game. And if they fail this time, they'll try again later with a second wave.

They'll never stop trying for as long as they exist. But when enough people are wise to their tricks, they'll get nowhere. So anyone with any capability to share information needs to do so. We all have capacity to share.

Dr Rashid A Buttar Live Stream | May 1, 2020
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=SU95PLrlEN8

WHO, CDC & Gates Foundation Defunded Because of Vaccine Fraud
BREAKING NEWS â€" Government Funding Pulled from Gates Foundation, WHO and CDC (Center for Disease Control).
link:s://c-vine.com/blog/2020/04/24/who-cdc-gates-defunded-criminal-war-crime-trials-vaccine-fraud/

Brian Rose and David Icke 3:
link:s://londonreal.tv/1000000-fighting-for-freedom/

link:s://:.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania/tanzania-suspends-laboratory-head-after-president-questions-coronavirus-tests-idUSKBN22G295

Quotethe imported test kits were faulty as they had returned positive results on a goat and a pawpaw â€" among several non-human samples submitted for testing, with technicians left deliberately unaware of their origins.

Well, the excuse will be "Oops but it's just one mistake. The virus is real. You'll kill people if you don't listen."

It's just exposes one of the many holes in the bullshit information we're given.

I think we're at the tipping point to waking up. But next will be:

* The deadlier mutated versions
* The immunity proof to return to work and life
* The vaccines

At the start, I thought it was real.

A few weeks in, I was thinking it could be a crock of shit - we'll wait and see.

Now way down the track, I see it's all full of shit. Whether the virus is real or not, the agendas are being pushed hard.

Don't get the vaccine. I don't full understand their intentions with the vaccine, but I've seen enough to know it's part of a nefarious plan.

Im not against vaccines. Safe vaccines have their place. But a rushed vaccine is not a good idea.

Censorship:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=sPrbGU0Wyh4

The banned video is here:
link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5ea4994ea881fd00808e95ad

I'm starting to like this guy:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=UJgRk1p8ktY

I never listened to Tucker yet, too many other shows to choose from!
I think I'll start...

Fauci EXPOSED CoVid19 ENDGAME with Dr Shiva on Next News Network
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=VaERNlvLbio

Quote from: Mortagon on May 07, 05:59 AM 2020
Fauci EXPOSED CoVid19 ENDGAME with Dr Shiva on Next News Network
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=VaERNlvLbio

Dr.SHIVA & Pastor Broden LIVE: Truth of Robert F. Kennedy & Derailing Medical Freedom Movement
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=iH8TWWyR3pw

It's hard to find many people who don't smell a rat.

The government in Hong Kong lost control. It became civil war. The dissent was bound to spread to other nations.

Then covid happened. That sure shut things down.

People are waking up. The elite are in their endgame. They're desperate and pushing hard. They're widely censoring. The more they censor, the worse it looks for them.

But they won't let go. If they need to make things more terrifying, they will. But it must be before we reach critical mass. They have a short time.

So my question is what next?

Reinfection and deadlier strains may not be enough.

5G to kill us all
Wuhan was the pilot city in China for 5G
5G can manipulate Oxygen, it’s absorbed by Oxygen

Quote from: winforus on May 03, 11:47 AM 2020
Steve, here is another interview that you will find very interesting:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=kgnBldI7KPY

This is a whistle blower, former aids scientist, that discusses Dr. Fauci's corruption (crazy stuff) and vaccines. According to her, she was jailed for 5 years because she refused to fabricate a study.

The interview with the whistle blower that I posted, was already removed by Youtube.

For anyone that hasn't seen it yet, here is the re-uploaded link: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=aLZYLxF4rZk

I know the woman you mean, i saw a long video about her and fauci recently. There's enough to convict him. He's definitely not working for the people.

Speaking of new york and 5g, what do you guys think of these towers?

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=pvuzlDnFsik

If they were for the protection of people, why dont authorities just say that and be specific? Why the secrets?

* Dr. Judy Mikovits
* link:s://:.facebook.com/groups/558617094785714/permalink/577927662854657/
*Dr. Rashid A. Buttar (LONDON REAL)
link:s://:.facebook.com/groups/558617094785714/permalink/578296569484433/
*The London Olympics of 2012 - PANDEMIC SHOW!
link:s://:.facebook.com/groups/558617094785714/permalink/578563509457739/

Plandemic The Movie (Part 1) - Interview with Judy Mikovits
link:s://:.bitchute.com/embed/sHrpUplJPTUE/

Seriously, looking back at the recent youtube videos here.

CENSORED.

F*CK YOU GOOGLE AND YOUTUBE.

Does the cure for covid-19 already exist? Andreas Kalcker interviewed about chlorine dioxide as a lifesaving therapy for humanity
link:s://:.naturalnews.com/2020-06-02-does-cure-for-covid-19-already-exist-andreas-kalcker-chlorine-dioxide.html
link:://brighteon.com/8bbdf94d-1473-4732-9570-f7b6f785b42a

Here you go. Independent facts about COVID-19 death rate:
link:s://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

0.2%
Much the same as seasonal flu.

And much of the planet is financially destroyed, with the rich becoming richer.

And still the media is pushing the bullshit. Vaccines are still coming, and I learned a whole lot about where that's going. Don't get the vaccine. FFS, it will lead to a disaster. If it's mandatory, still refuse.

By the time people see the truth, it will already be too late. And the focus will shift to something else to cause more destruction.

Like I dunno, race riots.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 03, 02:14 AM 2020
Here you go. Independent facts about COVID-19 death rate:
link:s://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

0.2%
Much the same as seasonal flu.

And much of the planet is financially destroyed, with the rich becoming richer.

And still the media is pushing the bullshit. Vaccines are still coming, and I learned a whole lot about where that's going. Don't get the vaccine. FFS, it will lead to a disaster. If it's mandatory, still refuse.

By the time people see the truth, it will already be too late. And the focus will shift to something else to cause more destruction.

Like I dunno, race riots.

It was always apparent the mortality rate was going to be artificially higher what with the improper record keeping (if you had CV but really passed away due to another pre-existing condition, it's still marked down as CV death for subsidy purposes) and lack of commitment to a projected number of actual CV carriers which would take the mortality rate down a couple of notches.

Even if one virologist said it was 5-6 times more contagious and likewise 5-6 times higher mortality rate, to me personally, that's a perfectly acceptable range to not live in fear imo.

All the panic makes it seems like its an unprecedentedly high rate.  I only worry for the elders personally.  I couldn't give a f all about me.  I refuse to live in fear.

A vaccine is not a priority for me but I am concerned for my elder family members.  It sucks that they'll have to wait 12 months minimum for a working vaccine.   I can't stop them.  They want to take the proper vaccine when it gets made.

You (generally the more level headed on this forum) being anti-vaccination is a cause for concern.  I mean that in a constructive way.

"I look back at all this when New York City flipped out and cried for help for ventilators. We all thought we were all in for that. That death rate is actually less than a quarter of one percent. We got suckered into shutting down. Trump bought it hook line and sinker. Four people and their daily news briefings. And adding gas on the fire with both sides of politics trying to take advantage of it all. Anyone that follows either side is a big fat sucker. 40 million on unemployment. Main street businesses closing down forever. Yes, it's all Trump's fault. He let China fake him out. ... or was that the governor of New York state and two scared as shit doctors and the opposing media cults? We all got suckered."

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 03, 02:46 AM 2020You (generally the more level headed on this forum) being anti-vaccination is a cause for concern.  I mean that in a constructive way.

I'm not an "anti-vaxxer", if that's what you mean.

Some vaccinations are beneficial, and some are ridiculous.

One example of a ridiculous vaccination is hepatitis. Why does a baby need a vaccination for a disease that's spread by STDs, or sharing needles?

As for the coronavirus, its a damn flu. Even the best flu vaccinations are only partially effective. But the real problem is what else they put in it.

Do you trust Bill Gates? Do you really think he's just a loving guy looking out for us, which is why he said he wants to vaccination 7 billion people?

Why are the certain groups pushing so hard for covid propaganda, and ultimately pushing for vaccination? What's behind it all. Check who these groups are and what they're into. They are not good people. They're the worst of the worst. Do you want to just trust them?

The whole thing stinks. It is not just a vaccination, to save old people. They don't give a f*ck about old people. There's something else behind it, and I wont be part of it.

I'm learning more about it. I'm looking at all sources I can find. And its not looking good at all. The more I dig, the worse it gets. It looks like the vaccinations are just a part of a bigger picture.

And yes, I am level-headed. I understand confirmation bias, and differentiating between crackpot theories like flat earth, and real things happening. And again, the covid vaccinations are not good news. I'm betting they actually already have it, but are waiting for the right time. I'm guessing in some way, the company "Moderna" will play a big role. But they could just as easily let another company do it, because some of their activity is seriously questionable.

If I told you what I now know is likely fact, you'd think I was nuts. Because when I heard it elsewhere, I thought the theory was nuts. And a year later of looking into it, it's not so nuts after all. It appears to be likely and quite apparent fact.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 03, 07:21 PM 2020
I'm not an "anti-vaxxer", if that's what you mean.

Some vaccinations are beneficial, and some are ridiculous.

One example of a ridiculous vaccination is hepatitis. Why does a baby need a vaccination for a disease that's spread by STDs, or sharing needles?

Not all hep is STD. Example hep A. Spread by food , water. B and C more dangerous. During birth baby get vac to get immunity. Example formula feeding bottle and water can spread. Mother can have B and  C but never tested. So vaginal birth could pose some risk.

And also baby can grow up and do bang bang and get STD. Vac is security . Now u can say wait until 17 then get hep vax. That time gone. 10-12 yr old can do a lot. Hehe

I was recently bitten by a rabid dog..but I don't believe in vaccines.  So I'm taken the homeopathic route and I'm just going to treat it with Turmeric.     ;D

Quote from: The General on Jun 05, 12:56 PM 2020
I was recently bitten by a rabid dog..but I don't believe in vaccines.  So I'm taken the homeopathic route and I'm just going to treat it with Turmeric.     ;D

Lock Jaw? Great idea.

The HPV vaccine prevents cervical cancer in women and some esophageal cancers in both men and women.  All kids should get it.


Sometimes vaccines are effective, sometimes they're not great.  The flu vaccine is a good example.  Some years they miss the dominant strain.  However I still get a flu shot each year because I travel more than most people.

After the vaccine comes out for the Chinese Coronavirus I will likely wait to see the results for a few months and then I will probably get that vaccine later next fall as well.

Better living through chemistry!

Quote from: The General on Jun 05, 07:20 PM 2020The HPV vaccine prevents cervical cancer in women and some esophageal cancers in both men and women. 

I always knew you had a vagina.

As for the covid vaccine, its not just a vaccine. If it were, it wouldn't be a problem.

It is absolutely part of global plan, leading to a new world order. It's about control. Im not interested in arguing. If anyone thinks otherwise, do better research. Its well beyond any doubt. If you're new to whats going on, it would literally take you about 10 years to properly grasp whats happening.

Again the vaccine is just part of the picture. There's so much more to it, well beyond a health issue.

You can reduce that to maybe a few months with careful research and verification.

When you see it properly, you'll want to throw up. Most people know only fragments, and think its mere theory. There are some bullshit theories, and theres reality - which is clear when you've seen enough verifiable evidence.

Steve,

What do you feel the vaccine really is if it's not a vaccine?

It has many purposes. How they use it depends in how they can use it, ie what they can get away with.

Already the lockdowns have largely harmed the middle class as usual.

They are pushing greater digital surveillance, which is the control grid.

They would love to push immunity cards, where we cant work or travel without them - once again for greater control.

Again there are many purposes. Its whatever they can do with it.

Covid is a multi purpose tool. Covid is just a part of a much bigger picture.

Indian holy man who offered ‘COVID exorcisms’ gets infected and dies

link:s://:.scoopwhoop.com/news/baba-who-treated-coronavirus-by-kissing-peoples-hands-dies-of-covid-infects-24-others/

For some common-sense info about this virus nonsense see link:s://realclimatescience.com/ (link:s://realclimatescience.com/)

Quote from: Steve on Jun 05, 11:48 PM 2020Covid is a multi purpose tool.

Do you think the covid pandemic was manufactured? If so, how? Perhaps the virus was made in a lab, spread on purpose, or magiced into our reality (I'm not being sarcastic). Or did it just coincidentally happen and the people in power are using it as a tool?

It looks like China is already experiencing a second wave. They are locking things down again, because people have tested positive for it.

It appears that all these worldwide protests aren't helping; it's like we wasted all this time and sacrificed our economy for nothing: thousands and thousands all together with no social distancing. Those pepper balls have all the protesters coughing on each other; it's crazy. It's funny how the experts said nothing against this, but now the media shifts the focus back to the coronavirus when it comes to Trump planning his rallies again.

"Never let a crisis go to waste." ... and if it does look like it's going away, bring it back.


... let me cut to the chase. It's going to be occupy this and  occupy that until the government owns all property, guns, and businesses. It's all about fairness and justice. It's just more so for snowflakes.

Gizmo, the people doing this arent specifically the "government". The government has just been infiltrated, and is only part of the bigger picture. It's actually more private corporations like the media. It's a complete network screwing everyone from all sides.

There is so much messed up information going around, you need to be perceptive about what's really going on.

Like the people who genuinely support race equality might see how elements of BLM are part of the bigger conspiracy. Then there are people in BLM who are entirely fooled, with no idea about whats really going on.

There's so much to everything going on. It's a confusing mess. You could spend hours each day following this for years, and still you might have no idea. It's supposed to be that way. But once you understand the goals of these people, and the steps they need, you can identify the bullshit for what it is.

But it doesn't mean what you see is ALWAYS from "them" directly. There are some genuinely stupid people around too.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 07:49 PM 2020
Gizmo, the people doing this arent specifically the "government". The government has just been infiltrated, and is only part of the bigger picture. It's actually more private corporations like the media. It's a complete network screwing everyone from all sides.

There are two books that document this. One book was written before they did it and the other is written after.
The Velvet Monkey Wrench:  John Muir; 1973 and Telling The Truth by Lynne Chaney; 1995. They set out to overthrow the establishment. It was 60's radicals after the Hippie movement collapsed.

This is totally off topic, but ATI and Gizmotron2 both have 611 posts.  :xd:

6/11 ~ 9/11, was 9/11 an inside job???

An intelligent, somewhat reputable man said BLM is just pushing a Marxist agenda and doesn't care about black lives at all. He said the same goes for the Black Panther Movement, among others. Apparently, the black lives of cops don't matter at all to BLM. Also, BLM openly supports defunding the police. The police are crucial in black communities; go figure. The whole taking money from police and giving it to the education system idea has been tested and failed in New York.

Yes thats basically correct.

You'll find the overall most accurate information at :.infowars.com

I'm fact Alex holds off on some parts that are actually true, because the truth sounds too incredible.

I'm not saying he's 100% correct. I personally think 98% but thats still damn good compared to cnn which is now almost entirely propaganda., deep in the conspiracy. History will show.  Fox news is far better, and honest from what I've seen.

Yeah, about that... link:s://variety.com/2020/digital/news/fox-news-seattle-protests-altered-photo-1234634213/

News media are not reporting anymore, they are giving and forcing their own opinion onto you, and altering the news if it doesn't suit them.

Surprisingly North Korea's Covid report is much better and informative than that of the Western media. No unnecessary drama, blaming other countries, races, presidents, etc. It resembles what our television reports were 40-50 years ago.
link:s://youtu.be/rI_MG3ZnDak

.. because it comes from CHIYNA

Pray to God for His will to be done concerning the new world order. Pray that all His people will not suffer any negative consequences due to people in power. All people are God's whether they like it or not, and God has the final say on everything. I have heard Alex Jones say that God won't allow them to have their new world order. I really liked to hear Pence tell us to seek God's help concerning the coronavirus. Even if you think religion has lost its meaning, I believe most mainstream religions are basically correct; most have very similar beliefs, e.g., detachment from material things and loving your neighbor.

The new world order has two meanings. One is that of the powerful elite taking everyone as their slaves and reducing the population. The other is one of spiritual awakening.

God is the ultimate precognition.  At least to us. He has demonstrated the exact ability to know what someone will say before they say it. He is omnipresent and omnitime.  He knew your entire existence before the dust and rocks from the big bang gathered into formations and orbits of this solar system, his words. I'm not worried about a new world order of mankind or that it's all turning into shit.  So what. Retribution for all this is in giving mankind what it wants.  It's going to get deadly, you can feel it. Ban the cops, the border patrol, walls, homeland security, ICE, Capitalism, political incorrectness, Christianity, corporations, the deplorable, white man advantage, honkey lip's jobs, bastard juices, unsafe zones, broccoli, skiing experts, rock music, truth, etc...

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 15, 10:27 AM 2020Retribution for all this is in giving mankind what it wants.

Yes. That's why we need to pray for His will. It's like when the Israelites asked God for a king; they wanted to be like the other nations. He told them that they don't want a king; it will end disastrously. They insisted on getting a king anyway and paid for it.

We also need to pray for his Wisdom and guidance to truly know what we want. We can also read scripture, like the book of Wisdom in the bible, to gain wisdom and power, through encouragement and divine intervention.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 15, 01:00 PM 2020
Yes. That's why we need to pray for His will. It's like when the Israelites asked God for a king; they wanted to be like the other nations. He told them that they don't want a king; it will end disastrously. They insisted on getting a king anyway and paid for it.

We also need to pray for his Wisdom and guidance to truly know what we want. We can also read scripture, like the book of Wisdom in the bible, to gain wisdom and power, through encouragement and divine intervention.

So go ahead. Who's stopping you?

Psalm 37:37 That's two single zeros in my sim: "Mark the upright man, and behold the just: for the end of that man is peace."

See. It says that I'm an upright man.

I know, right? That's one of us who actually sees.

It's a time bomb. And I hope every cunt that's involved goes to jail.

One of the latest is the CDC says only 6% of deaths in the USA had no other serious illnesses. Facebook is censoring the information. It's much the same fraud here.

either Daniel Andrews is in on it, OR he is just covering his ass after he fucked up. I never knew of Andrews until covid, and see a blatant lying fraud, whose been caught out lying constantly. He's a true lying snake.

Yes. That's why we need to pray for His will. It's like when the Israelites asked God for a king; they wanted to be like the other nations. He told them that they don't want a king; it will end disastrously. They insisted on getting a king anyway and paid for it.

We also need to pray for his Wisdom and guidance to truly know what we want. We can also read scripture, like the book of Wisdom in the bible, to gain wisdom and power, through encouragement and divine intervention.
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Amen to that, Brother. The Lord Jesus Christ has been dealing with me to "Care for things that Care for you". He Careth for you. Also thus saith the Lord: "Do not know yourself in the flesh".

Richard, I dont think either praying or "waiting for jesus" is going to do anything.

If you're taking the religious route:

1. God helps those who help themselves.
2. He is letting us LEARN our lesson, by standing up ourselves.

Does a child learn best by you doing everything for them, or letting them learn for themselves?

Sitting on our asses wont do anything.

And Taotie, yes that's one of many to come. Those cops are "just following orders" (the same "Nazi argument that failed"), but too stupid to understand what they're doing. Any decent person who had a brain, and was asked to arrest her, would have quit the police force.

These police are deluded to think they're "saving lives" or "serving the community".

I have a feeling that this second wave is going to be much worse than the first one. In some places at least.

In some countries, including where I live, the situation in terms of daily new infections and active cases is already worse than it was in April. Yet the schools, cinemas, night clubs, restaurants, swimming pools, etc. are all open.

Quote from: ati on Sep 03, 04:10 AM 2020I have a feeling that this second wave is going to be much worse than the first one.

Ooh, second wave. Scary.

Did you know that according to the CDC, only 6% of the reported "covid deaths" are people who didn't have any other "known" serious health problems? Plus they're almost all very old people. And now of course, a wave of morons recite "explanations" to downplay the statistics (for example, snopes). Contrary to that, whistleblowing doctors have been saying the covid statistics regarding death rates have been "fudged" from the beginning.  This latest news just backs up the whistleblowers and censored doctors.

There's so much more. It will come out eventually. This is possibly the biggest fraud in the world's history. It's not that the virus isnt real. But its just another virus - and not a particularly dangerous one, unless you've got serious health problems to begin with - in which case, even a fly fart might kill you.

Quote from: ati on Sep 03, 04:10 AM 2020
I have a feeling that this second wave is going to be much worse than the first one. In some places at least.

In some countries, including where I live, the situation in terms of daily new infections and active cases is already worse than it was in April. Yet the schools, cinemas, night clubs, restaurants, swimming pools, etc. are all open.

There're many countries whose infection rate have dropped drastically to a trickle. Is it due to herd immunity? Has the virus mutated to be less infectious?

This 2nd wave looks a possibility.

Could be intentionally triggered at the right time. When it happens the now fragile economy will implode and collapse. We're already in 3rd world war mode. Matter of time the missiles start flying. The master race that's virus immune will emerge.

Quote from: cht on Sep 03, 11:34 PM 2020There're many countries whose infection rate have dropped drastically to a trickle. Is it due to herd immunity? Has the virus mutated to be less infectious?

You mean Sweden, which only had basic social distancing but no lockdowns?

Yeah they're on easy street now:

(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26832.0;attach=44291;image)

Quote from: cht on Sep 03, 11:34 PM 2020This 2nd wave looks a possibility.

Of course there will be another wave. Consider New Zealand. they didnt have ANY cases for 100 days, then suddenly a family tested positive, so they went back into lockdown. It's a joke. This is never going to end until people wake up and look at the "data and science" themselves, instead of the bullshit fed to us.

Quote from: cht on Sep 03, 11:34 PM 2020When it happens the now fragile economy will implode and collapse. We're already in 3rd world war mode.

Isn't that the point?

Quote from: cht on Sep 03, 11:34 PM 2020The master race that's virus immune will emerge.

Yeah, the global invasion of a tickle cough. We're doomed.

Quote from: Steve on Sep 03, 11:45 PM 2020
Isn't that the point?

My prediction after the election.

2qtr next year.

Watch gold, usdx and oil.

Checking opinions,

Who's the better USAF Commander-in-chief?

Trump or Biden

I'm betting there will be a spike in the price of gold, which already happened anyway - because people want to protect their wealth. Eventually people will see it as just a yellow metal, with some useful properties - but way overblown. It will always have real value though, until it can be man-made.

Oil and USD will fall through the floor.

Some cryptos will surge up, but most will die and become worthless. These cryptos will be volatile for some time, but eventually smooth out - but it may take a decade.

Before then, food and water will be prized most. It has only just started.

The shit is really going to hit the fan. I think I know why I chose to come to Earth: to watch the shit-show in person.

Trump is probably going to win, but it will be a strongly contested election. The world will basically be split in two - not because of Trump. Because of people that see, and people still sleeping.

These are awesome times. We should all be happy to be here. If you find yourself suffering, it's probably because you're resisting yourself.

Biden? Holy shit if you think that empty vessel has any power, either now or if he was president, you really need to look into the situation better.

He's a front man, nothing more. A sad old man who does what he's told, and who has mostly lost his mind due to old age. Really, he's not all there.

I think this will fix EVERYTHING:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=mrOWDPkYyP0

I'm not worried about me getting the virus in the second wave. I'm worried about family members with fragile immune system.

And I would argue with the statement that it's just like any other virus. It has proven to be much more infectious than anything else. People always compare it to the flu, but that seems far less dangerous than corona.
I'm not vaccinated against the flu, I have never had it in my life and I'm not worried about ever getting it. Recent studies suggest that corona antibodies disappear from the immune system after a couple of months, so it doesn't seem likely that anyone who beats the virus will have immunity for life.

Quote from: ati on Sep 04, 04:47 AM 2020
I'm not worried about me getting the virus in the second wave. I'm worried about family members with fragile immune system.

And I would argue with the statement that it's just like any other virus. It has proven to be much more infectious than anything else. People always compare it to the flu, but that seems far less dangerous than corona.
I'm not vaccinated against the flu, I have never had it in my life and I'm not worried about ever getting it. Recent studies suggest that corona antibodies disappear from the immune system after a couple of months, so it doesn't seem likely that anyone who beats the virus will have immunity for life.

The symptoms is not like your normal flu and the dry drowning is serious. It kills.
And it's wrong to assume only the old, weak and sick are the only endangered group.
Young, normal and healthy individuals died too and quickly.

This immunity thing is open to debate. i'd like to think for the majority of the cases the patient retain immunity.

We're talking only cov19 wave1. If wave2 mutates to become more infectious and lethal, expect the mortaility rate to shoot up.
Won't be surprise those ICU cases won't make it.
That's when the world stop taking this man-made bat bug lightly.

Quote from: ati on Sep 04, 04:47 AM 2020I'm worried about family members with fragile immune system.

You should be no more worried than every year with seasonal flu.

Quote from: ati on Sep 04, 04:47 AM 2020And I would argue with the statement that it's just like any other virus. It has proven to be much more infectious than anything else.

More infectious, yes. Deadly, no. We get viruses all the time we dont even know about.

You both sound like you've relied on "official information", which is full of shit. They've dramatically inflated the data. Why?

Quote from: ati on Sep 04, 04:47 AM 2020Recent studies suggest that corona antibodies disappear from the immune system after a couple of months, so it doesn't seem likely that anyone who beats the virus will have immunity for life.

Dont worry, the vaccine will save you. If you believe fairytales. This is all a crock of shit. The virus is real, but it's being lied about to push an agenda. And facts are being censored.

Quote from: cht on Sep 04, 04:57 AM 2020the dry drowning is serious. It kills.

At first I thought it was worse than the flu. Now I understand the truth is it's much the same, and perhaps even milder.

Keep in mind I started as a concerned person - even bought face masks etc. I only learned the truth after more digging.

Quote from: cht on Sep 04, 04:57 AM 2020If wave2 mutates to become more infectious and lethal, expect the mortaility rate to shoot up.

You're still thinking it's about a killer virus.

Quote from: cht on Sep 04, 04:57 AM 2020Won't be surprise those ICU cases won't make it.

Well if they put you on a ventilator, then you're probably fucked because it does damage. Forget anything like HCQ or the treatments in Madagascar which have almost eliminated deaths. Now doctors can go to jail for prescribing it. Why? After all, the real trials show it works. A few things work. But the "authorities" make it all about the vaccine.

Quote from: cht on Sep 04, 04:57 AM 2020That's when the world stop taking this man-made bat bug lightly.

We are under attack. But not by a virus. The virus itself is not much more a concern than the flu. Do more research. This is not mere conspiracy theory. It's conspiracy fact. Anyone that looks at the data will see that. Anyone who's informed can flatten anyone with really simple logic - unless they're just blind and believe everything they're told from the "authorities". The real authorities are the doctors, and they're being censored and threatened.

Quote from: cht on Sep 04, 04:57 AM 2020Young, normal and healthy individuals died too and quickly.

Rubbish. Almost every young person has died "with" it had serious "known" health problems beforehand.

This is not about lives, of you, or old people. They dont give a shit about you. They never did. Wake up.

Ask the doctors. Every one of them I know personally knows this is a crock of shit. The lockdowns are killing more people, and doing more damage, than rthe virus ever would. The data and science indicates this, very clearly. Yet the "politicians" lie through their asses saying they listen to the data and science. Its fake data and science.

I know doctors personally, and see what literally thousands of other doctors are saying. I have not found one unbiased doctor that doesn't believe at least this is hyped up and overboard nonsense. Yet if they post on facebook, youtube or twitter, posts are deleted. Why censor doctors? This is not about health.

Any unbiased questioning of the politicians imposing lockdowns would be DESTROYED. Their logic is bullshit. Any unbiased person with enough information knows. And it's only a matter of time until more people know. Roughly 30% of people see it, but arent acting yet. Soon it will be 60%+.

I said it years ago, as have others. But specifically their little stunt will backfire. Their attempt to control will backfire, because people will soon have had enough. And that's the balance.

Quote from: Steve on Sep 04, 05:20 AM 2020
At first I thought it was worse than the flu. Now I understand the truth is it's much the same, and perhaps even milder.

Keep in mind I started as a concerned person - even bought face masks etc. I only learned the truth after more digging.

You're still thinking it's about a killer virus.

I am writing from 1st hand experience.
Not deduce from some other source.

If you are on the ventilator you better pray to God, that's how bad the dry drowning experience. So far the mortality rate is low and many still recover from ICUs.

Those who recover still suffer recurring milder symptoms for a few months. This is fact.

I'm certain the testimony of these category of patients will concur with what I wrote.

If anyone wants info specifically about what's like to suffer severe symptoms, post on here what you like to know in specific sense. I will try provide the  answer.

You had covid? How old are you? How is your general health?

Most people that have it dont even know. So deadly.

Steve, I have heard of a few cases from friends of friends, who reported that they know people who were sick with covid, who told that it was the toughest thing they ever experienced, apparently with no existing preconditons at a young age (30s). It’s still a small percentage though.

Yup just like diarrhea. 
To some it's a whole week of dehydrating flushes, to others it's a half day of stinky breezes.
Depends on your immune system.  Most won't even miss a day of work because of it, and just a very few will need to be hospitalized.  Guess who?  The weaks.


Covid is a sissy.  It can't even beat up elder people anymore, let alone small kids.  It struggles to send anyone to bed.  It needs to have its arms inflated to appear scarier/stronger.  What a douche.

I've had flus where it felt like I was going to die. They lasted weeks.

Look at the broader statistics, and covid is nowhere near serious enough to justify the reaction. The statistics like death rates are bullshit, and other statistics are also fudged. This is not theory. It's fact anyone can establish from "official sources".

Quote from: Steve on Sep 07, 09:01 PM 2020covid is nowhere near serious enough to justify the reaction

How overcrowded do the hospitals need to be to justify lockdowns? Hospital staff (like nurses) were working nonstop 16 hour shifts.

Take a look at sweden's statistics, where there havent been lockdowns.

Then compare it to places with hard lockdowns.

NYC was overwlemed for a little while, because Cuomo ordered aged-care facilities to take infected people. Think about it. Where would covid do the MOST damage?? Then the dickhead ORDERS covid patients to be sent there.

They must be laughing their heads off. Could it get more blatant?

link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5f4d56c5838dfb0597dd8187

I'll spell it out:

The vaccination will eventually have an ingredient called "LUCIFERASE". It is an ingredient that basically tracks if you've been vaccinated. Because if you haven't been vaccinated, you wont be able to buy or sell, go to shops etc.

The mark of the beast, 666, you know?

They're really rubbing it in our faces, because they think we're really that stupid. So far, collectively, they're right.

Interesting video

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac (ftp://ftp://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac)

Steve. what is your opinion on Putin and what is going on in Russia? And what about what happened with Navalny?

Quote from: Steve on Sep 10, 01:04 AM 2020"LUCIFERASE"

The most powerful people in our world are proven to be very weak. I believe we can easily beat them. Actually, we may not be able to w/o God, but that's the secret: to build a relationship w/God and ask him to deliver you from all evil and deception. The solution is really that simple...

I know Satan or these evil entities are very weak, because  their armies have exhausted vast resources against me, and I beat him...



The powerful are weak, because God can easily wipe them out and even play games with them. The proud and haughty get knocked down by God, and He lifts up the lowly (and/or the humble).

If u think I am crazy, then why do the most powerful people on this planet continue to be linked w/Satanic things, like the cursed Bohemian grove rituals?

I dont believe in some "god" as most people perceive. Certainly there are higher beings, but I dont think there's a singular god, unless you consider god to be everything we are.

Quote from: pepper on Sep 10, 10:52 AM 2020The most powerful people in our world are proven to be very weak. I believe we can easily beat them. Actually, we may not be able to w/o God, but that's the secret: to build a relationship w/God and ask him to deliver you from all evil and deception. The solution is really that simple...

1. They are weak because they're like a system-player with a losing system. They can use progression for a while, but eventually their loss is crushing. In this case, the "house edge" is truth. You can't bullshit for ages and expect to hide the truth forever. Bullshit about what? Everything. They can only exist with deception. And all truth comes out, eventually.

2. I dont believe "some god will just come and defeat evil. Waiting for jesus or some savior is nonsense, because it encourages us to do nothing. That belief is likely part of the control system. The only way we're going to be free is we do it ourselves. In the end, we'll get exactly what we deserve.

3. Yes, many of these elite are literally satanic. I mean for real. Sacrifices and all. It is very, very twisted. You couldn't make a more elaborate movie than reality.

Future generations are going to look back at this time and think "WTF".

Quote from: pepper on Sep 10, 10:52 AM 2020God can easily wipe them out and even play games with them.

We are not being saved by any good entities, because its only something we can do ourselves. We can only be guided.

I haven't followed Russia lately. I've mostly been focused on US and my local politics. The whole global system is a mess. It's either going to end in us losing more freedom, or the whole system being restructured for our benefit. So tyranny vs freedom, whatever the county. My money is betting people have had enough, and the elite are going down - but not without a fight. They'll never stop trying, and neither will we. Eventually things will be tipped in our favor again. Then it will go back to them. It's a never-ending cycle.

link:s://:.zerohedge.com/medical/citizens-stop-spanish-police-arresting-woman-not-wearing-mask

Social tissue rebuilding?

It's amazing. I saw video of a 14 year old boy being arrested "george floyd" style, because he wasnt wearing a mask. That cop should have his head kicked in. You dont treat a child like that, over a mask. It is a crime against humanity. Some of these police are brainless sheep with power. I respect good police with brains, not blind attack dogs.

It's going to get worse. But it needs to.

Spain and Australia (specifically my state) are probably the two worst areas in the world for now. But I'm sure others will catch up. Be ready for it. Dont sit passively. I'm not saying break the law. But if you are pushed far enough, you have non-compliance or slavery. Your choice.

Remember what Hitler did in Germany was legal.

Quote from: Ross on Sep 10, 06:10 AM 2020
Interesting video

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac (ftp://ftp://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac)

Well you have to wonder why this data is being "ignored", while other "scarier" data is being widely published.

The data suggests Covid-19 is a crock of shit. For whatever reason. And I hope we see the supporting politicians and media in shackles over this. I expect we will. But it takes time for people to see the information they wont see in mainstream media. Then they need to process it, and put the pieces together.

In their attempts to grab power, they'll lose it all.

Keep sharing that video.  :thumbsup:

QuoteAll truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

â€"
Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 â€" 1860)

Quote from: Steve on Sep 10, 09:39 PM 2020That belief is likely part of the control system.

You have it backwards. They want you to believe that there is no God. I can prove it: they worship Satan b/c his power is real. They know that all these spiritual things are real, and Satan is hiding it from us. God doesn't command us to be complacent, like you’re thinking.

Quote from: pepper on Sep 11, 09:02 AM 2020You have it backwards. They want you to believe that there is no God. I can prove it: they worship Satan b/c his power is real. They know that all these spiritual things are real, and Satan is hiding it from us. God doesn't command us to be complacent, like you%u2019re thinking.

I don't know about all of these things I just said here. It can get kind of messy and confusing, because I'll admit that I don't know the 100% full truth, just like pretty much anyone.

You can forget that I ever said the first two sentences. It is probably true that there is power within Satanic things. Obviously, they probably know that all these spiritual things are real. I don't know if Satan is hiding it from us or maybe hiding it from some people to run massive deceptive schemes or if satan is even what we really think he is.

It is true that God doesn't want us to be complacent. Probably even praying the rosary daily can have great effects, such as protecting us from fraudulent schemes that people try to put us through, no matter who is trying to do it.

The power of the Blessed Virgin Mary/God is proven through miracles, e.g., many disabled people (probably thousands) have miraculously been healed at mass sightings of her.

Quote from: pepper on Sep 11, 09:47 AM 2020You can forget that I ever said the first two sentences.

I'm also going to forget the rest of that post.

Quote from: Ross on Sep 11, 05:02 PM 2020I'm also going to forget the rest of that post.

Ok. But it's actually real, unlike the complete bullshit rubbish you've been rambling on about in all your roulette related posts.

Quote from: pepper on Sep 11, 09:02 AM 2020
You have it backwards. They want you to believe that there is no God. I can prove it: they worship Satan b/c his power is real. They know that all these spiritual things are real, and Satan is hiding it from us. God doesn't command us to be complacent, like you’re thinking.

Here, I would agree with Steve. "God" as a separate entity that exists outside of us,  is an illusion and this belief has been used for thousands of years to control and manipulate people. Saying that "God" is everything, or the substance of the reality (including YOU, me and everything else) would be more accurate. In other words God= consciousness =  infinity

Here is a very advanced video and one of the best explanations of  what "god" actually is that I seen ,if you are interested: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=YE1yPCeF1Cc

Quote from: winforus on Sep 12, 10:15 AM 2020Here is a very advanced video and one of the best explanations of  what "god" actually is that I seen ,if you are interested:

Two and a half hours and that's only part 1.
Must be a simpler explanation!

Quote from: Ross on Sep 12, 05:40 PM 2020
Two and a half hours and that's only part 1.
Must be a simpler explanation!

There is a paradox. It is simple, yet it’s hard to understand it for the mind, so it covers a lot of questions.

That channel also has videos on spiral dynamics - a really interesting model, which imo has a lot of value when it comes to understanding politics and thinking patterns of people.

Quote from: Ross on Sep 12, 05:40 PM 2020
Two and a half hours and that's only part 1.
Must be a simpler explanation!

For those God lovers who awaits them in heaven.

Bungee jump off the nearest building NOW.
Don't wait anymore.

Quote from: cht on Sep 12, 09:24 PM 2020Bungee jump off the nearest building NOW.
Don't wait anymore.

Is that with bungee or without?

This shows a police interview with one of the arrested organizers of protests. He explains it very well.



COVID is a scam. And if you review enough data and still believe the bullshit story, you'd need to be very thick. I expect this to be censored too.

On the plus side, Covid made it possible for me to work full time from home. (for now) A year ago I could only dream of this, and my employer doesn't care how many hours I work as long as the job is done. They never even check, I could not log in for a full day, and probably no one would care.
I'm among the lucky ones though, I had 1200 colleagues in the office and half of them were let go as our business strongly relies on international travels.

On the plus side? It's a scam.

The short-term upsides wont last. Consider it a bribe for your complacency, while they bring in the NWO.

Did anyone else get coronavirus?

If the whole world was tested, many would have "had it" according to the tests. Covid is a global scam. Not a theory, once you do proper research.

I think I must have contracted Covid19.

I don't have any symptoms.

That seems to be the best indicator of this "illness".

Yes you're definitely going to die.
We all are.

22:08  ..the smirk of scummo. lol!

He's an A1 lying cunt. He's one of many who don't know what's coming, but think they do.

We knew about it a long time ago. After covid, the next step is probably "global warming". Creating crisis, lying about it, to push an agenda they call the "new world order".



For those of you who still think it's conspiracy "theory", you're among the dumbest people on Earth.

Their ultimate goal is total control and transhumanism. That means merging us with AI. Merging us with technology, which enables total control of us. It's real, it's happening, and proof is all around you. But you need only focus on the message from people at the very top. Everything pushes towards what they want.

Covid isnt going away though. It's intended to be part of a permanent control system. If it isnt covid, it will be a new disease. There's ample evidence now to prove covid is no deadlier than the flu. We can also see now the WHO trying to get back credibility by saying "end the lockdowns".

What's happening is so incredibly devious, you need proper research and a good brain to properly see it.

If these f uckers cared about the environment, they would be pushing the planting of more trees, and rebuilding forests. More co2 means greener and healthier plants, and more food for us too.

It is very possible.

It has been planned for a long time.

Again, it's not theory anymore. It's open reality.

Reality is truly stranger than fiction in this case. It's crazy, like something out of a twisted movie.

Court in Portugal finds covid19 "test" is crap link:s://tinyurl.com/yxs6rm7u (ftp://tinyurl.com/yxs6rm7u)

WHO tacitly admits that PCR test is not good enough.

lifesitenews.com/news/covid-cases-plummet-after-who-changes-testing-protocol-on-bidens-inauguration-day (link:://lifesitenews.com/news/covid-cases-plummet-after-who-changes-testing-protocol-on-bidens-inauguration-day)

Personally, I had a coronavirus and no longer consider it to be just the flu. I had coughing up blood and pneumonia. After such an illness, I began to value my life.

Covid is so clearly bullshit. Most of the world now knows it (even if only part of it). That's why Youtube had to disable the "Dislike" counts.

All my ranting about the New World Order over the past 20 years and theirs plans aren't such conspiracy "theory" now.... Lots of us knew about it. These pricks havent even been hiding it. You just need to read their plans, which they announce. But there are dickheads who never bothered to read, and accused the educated people of having wild theories.

The best place to stay informed is infowars.com but still do your own research.

The FDA, and Big Pharma need to be targeted!!

Quote from: FlyinHawaiian18 on Jan 11, 04:38 PM 2022
The FDA, and Big Pharma need to be targeted!!

The problem is the regulators are in on it. The FDA and pharma have a "revolving door" which means they swap staff. How convenient.

The solution is mass non-compliance, and not feeding the system anymore. But it must be peaceful.

If you still dont think there's a conspiracy, here's a start:

The real reason for vaccine passports
link:s://:.bitchute.com/video/HXHfSUoTz9xA/

Plandemic documentary
link:s://:.bitchute.com/video/IB3ijQuLkkUr/

Documentary about their plan made decades ago
link:s://:.bitchute.com/video/ivQsMZ08YkZK/

Collection of collapsing athletes and news story titles after vaccination:
link:s://:.banned.video/watch?id=61ca826cd7f5f63c315cbfa4
link:s://:.bitchute.com/video/hG1fhrUaMIsL/

The "great reset" summary
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=GeykREAlYSg

Collection of information
link:s://:.welcometodds.com/the-pandemic-portal

Vaccine inventor interview
link:s://:.banned.video/watch?id=61cfa6acea6077490e2dbf4a
Shorter version: link:s://:.banned.video/watch?id=61d0f655d449894a9c5685f8

Australian Governments announcing New World Order (what they call their whole plan):
link:s://:.bitchute.com/video/30C48NabO4lj/

gambling forums . com
/threads/merry-christmas-to-all.23093/page-2#post-133207

Thining of the heard .. rightly so.

If you cannot stand for your own sovereignty, by consent letting others rule &otherwise manipulate you .. you definitely deserve what came for you.

The pandemic .. ain't an illness pandemic .. its the pandemic of weakness, of having no spine, of being used & abused by consent -- the weakness so spread throughout the population that somebody just about 8 decades ago attempted to clear it of the earth .. but the people fell for the all-lies propaganda -- by promoting strength.

Think of it .. genocide is something your body performs on a daily basis, specificaly white cells are tasked for this .. in addition, the tumor once spread is not dealt by being meddled with but must be removed by drastic measures of cutting the whole thing by incision of the healthy tissue around it, quickly & with utmost certainty.


“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”


Enjoy!

You're partially right.

Adults who don't pass this test did it to themselves. I wouldn't say they deserved it. I'd just say it was the consequence.

Children don't deserve this.

The beings doing this (not necessarily human) know they'll burn for this. They hate us that much. And the fools who followed them will learn.

There is divine justice, although its in what someone does to themselves.

Probably our future something like this:                                                                                                                                                         link:s://:.bitchute.com/video/yjPM7IcKSYNc/