We know that in 37 spins some numbers will be repeated.
We also know that the propability of unique numbers to appera is as follow:
unique
numbers probability
17 0.051300%
18 0.282190%
19 1.174500%
20 3.605390%
21 8.384150%
22 14.835930%
23 19.936310%
24 20.475660%
25 15.925890%
26 9.406580%
27 4.159970%
28 1.364840%
29 0.328120%
30 0.054960
We also know that with La Bouchere system we can win a session in which we have half the winning spins from the losing spins.
Having that in mind we could bet in every spin, the last 18 numbers that have come up, using La Bouchere.
it is impossible to have double of loses than wins having in mind that is imposible to have double times for new numbers to appear compared with repeating numbers to appear.
Interesting.
Can you expand on this?
Applied MM?
When we bet the last 18 numbers (half of the roulette) it is an EC betting. So theoritically we have 50% chances to win.
But from the other 18 numbers that they haven't come yet, we know that some numbers will not come out before many spins.
So it is like we bet 18 numbers against about 10 numbers to come.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 02, 11:02 AM 2020
When we bet the last 18 numbers (half of the roulette) it is an EC betting. So theoritically we have 50% chances to win.
But from the other 18 numbers that they haven't come yet, we know that some numbers will not come out before many spins.
So it is like we bet 18 numbers against about 10 numbers to come.
It's not a bad idea, but I still have 2 issues about what you said:
1. I don't think I understand this one:
"So it is like we bet 18 numbers against about 10 numbers to come."2. Considering the fact that on the wheel you have 0 or 00.... it's not really EC.
1. When we bet on 18 numbers, theoretically iwe have 50% chances to win (ok, 48,3 because of zero) . But when we bet on the last 18 numbers that they have come up, we don't bet against the other 18 that haven't come up but against less numbers. Because we know that some of them will never come out before 60-50-100 or even more spins. So we bet 18 numbers against 10-12 numbers. Even with flat betting we can win. But we use Labouchere to come up with quick positive results
2. Betting on half of the numbers (or on red/black, on even/odds or small/large) we use to call it EC even if it is not exactly the half because of 0 / 00.
2.
Labouchere needs at least 33.34%hit, to close or win...
Thus, say, in next 20spins,
you need no less than 7hit, in 20spins.
Consider that you need 18units for 18numbers, and if you hit 10losing streak!!!???
Do a test , 20 spins increment, for million real bm spins, and see how the worst hit in 20spins, or 50spins,&100spins.
If you see, there never less than 7/20, then Labouchere is manageable/winner, else the staking will quickly snowball to bust!
You will never have more than 10 loses on the next 20 spins because it is Impossible to come up with more than 10 unique numbers
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 03, 03:56 PM 2020
You will never have more than 10 loses on the next 20 spins because it is Impossible to come up with more than 10 unique numbers
Huskerdu,
with due respect,
The main problem is not it may not lose up to 10spins, for how are we going to bet up to 10lpsses streak...
The real problem, is,
How many hit,
in next 20spins???
Please show example, of 100spins, 500,1000spins, so we can be sure.
if it hit not less than 40%,
then we found hg.
thanks.
I can remember him for his wonderful work on “ modified hp jhonsonâ€. Welcome
Thanks MADI
Ok, lets continue.
I have bellow, 450 spins from random.org Timestamp: 2020-04-04 08:55:24 UTC
(read the numbers first at the first column, then at second column etc)
20 30 27 33 30 20 14 12 18 36 21 11 11 20 9
19 23 23 20 33 23 3 7 16 0 23 31 22 9 34
1 13 31 36 17 35 7 11 29 20 5 23 25 7 6
4 15 26 8 33 25 27 11 19 0 19 7 6 20 4
15 28 26 26 10 19 27 15 26 12 10 22 27 9 36
36 1 0 26 7 11 11 18 9 12 30 11 34 36 5
5 10 7 35 9 9 20 20 33 18 11 15 11 17 18
27 7 27 3 36 2 2 22 14 34 0 26 16 28 31
1 14 28 10 13 1 27 1 15 24 24 4 22 29 30
14 10 31 30 30 20 29 36 8 8 33 34 5 36 36
4 0 23 33 6 6 22 14 28 34 20 34 34 18 10
32 9 27 20 21 12 1 29 4 30 4 26 32 22 26
30 30 30 26 4 19 16 33 7 33 8 34 28 16 8
6 1 9 14 16 18 31 3 28 12 2 26 29 16 14
10 17 13 9 12 21 0 9 13 30 4 17 17 1 35
14 12 5 34 28 18 34 0 32 10 5 3 10 31 12
13 26 10 6 15 20 20 25 18 26 22 25 25 35 35
9 30 34 12 3 1 8 3 1 7 4 28 29 21 4
3 4 23 0 13 22 35 34 0 4 24 36 33 26 9
32 29 28 1 4 10 31 21 20 11 29 13 15 3 25
24 6 3 29 23 9 3 35 4 1 29 28 12 3 19
36 25 29 7 27 10 26 6 7 30 35 36 23 34 36
5 7 29 32 23 14 16 16 25 5 4 32 24 17 4
34 33 16 22 16 18 25 36 2 19 17 9 15 21 26
24 20 34 16 17 12 17 13 8 30 25 21 9 30 31
3 8 9 4 19 28 2 32 35 7 17 34 13 14 22
36 12 2 20 30 0 1 19 34 29 31 22 35 14 32
18 20 18 32 9 6 24 18 15 28 11 31 30 1 15
29 5 6 23 14 28 26 3 17 8 4 13 18 30 26
35 23 25 23 23 24 29 31 16 34 23 1 24 11 25
What I did was to bet the last 18 unique numbers.
When we start we have 21 spins until 18 unique nymber sppear.
Starting from the 22nd spin and betting always the last 18 unique numbers, we have the following results during the next 428 spins:
(W=win, L-lose)
WWLWWWLLLWLWLLLWLLWLLWWLLLWLWLLWLLLWW
LLLWLWWLWWLWWWWLLWLLWWLLWLWWLLLLLLLLLW
LWLLWWWLWWWLLLLLLLLLWWLWWWLWLWWLLWLLW
WLLLLWWWLLWWLWWLWLWLLWLWLLWLLWLLLWWLL
WWWWWLLLWLWLLLWLWLWLWWLLWLWLLWWLWLLWW
LWWLLLWLLWLWLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLWWLWWWWLWW
LLLLLLWWWWLLLWWLLWLLWLLLWWWLWWWLWWLLWW
LLLLLLWLLWWLLWWLLWWWWWLLLLWWLWWLWWWWLW
LLWLWWLWWWLWWLLWLWWWWWLWLLLWWLLLWWWW
LWWWLLWWLWLWWWLLLWWLLLLLWLLLLLWLWLWWL
WWWWWLLWLLWLLLWLWWLLWWWLWWLLWLLWWWL
WLWLLWWWLLWWWWLLLWW
Lets take a look :
Wins: 204
Loses: 224
With La Bouchere it is unbeatable strategy.
Even though if we play flat betting the last 18 numbers, it will come a moment that we will be with a small win.
PS: A drawback is that there are some series of many loses in a row, (but also there are many series of wins in a row that follow)
Hi,
this is interesting...
you mean
1)wait for 18 different
numbers appear ( no matter it has few repeating numbers) and then bet?
or
2)wait for 18 different numbers in a row, then bet?
thanks.
if the WL, alway behave like what you show us, then, Labouchere, start with (0,1) must win everytime the win hit larger than >33.34%.
Even mild progression 123456.... will win if the result are stable.
please test more real casino data, and longer spins, and see if it really never 10 losses in row, (as I cant do computet program.)
thank you so much!
SWEET:
Wait for 18 different numbers appear ( no matter it has few repeating numbers) and then bet. because it is very rare for 18 unique numbers to appear !
Then you start betting.
When the next number is a new number you bet on the last 18 numbers (you don't bet the first number) when at the next spin a new number appears again you bet the last 18 unique numbers (don't bet the forst two numbers)
When a same number appears you win and continue bettibg.
I would be thankful if somebody try to programm it.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 02, 11:02 AM 2020we bet the last 18 numbers
Nice. From my testings now, betting last 18, (with an ordinary Neg. progression) it had about a 90% winrate. WG+2000, SL-2000 :thumbsup:
System "Last 18"
// © ignatus 2020 ©
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
Set List [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,32,60,120,240,480,960] to Record "progression" Data
Set List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13] to Record "Number Bet" Data
end
while on each spin
begin
copy last Number to Record "last1" layout
if flag "betmax" false each
begin
Track last number for 18 spins to
Record "last12" layout
end
if any inside bet won each
begin
reset all flags false
clear Record "last12" layout
set flag "betmax" false
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
put 1 to Record "Number Bets" Data Index
end
{
If Record "Last12" layout list lost each time
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" data to Record "last12" Layout list
end
}
IF Record "last12" layout count >= 17 each
Begin
//add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
//set flag "bet" true
end
IF total inside bets count >= 17 each
Begin
set flag "betmax" true
end
//add 1 on Record "Number Bet" Data Index
if flag "bet" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "last12" layout list
end
add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "last12" layout list
If Record "progression" Data Index >
Record "progression" Data Count
Begin
clear Record "last12" layout
Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
Put 1 on Record "Numbers Bet" Data
End
{if total spin count >= 150 each time
begin
stop session
end
}
if total bankroll <= -2000 each time
begin
stop session
end
if total bankroll >= 2000 each time
begin
stop session
end
end
END
Thanks IGNATUS I appreciate this!!!!
The hit ratio here is meaningless
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 04, 08:45 AM 2020
Nice. From my testings now, betting last 18, (with an ordinary Neg. progression) it had about a 90% winrate. WG+2000, SL-2000 :thumbsup:
System "Last 18"
// © ignatus 2020 ©
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
Set List [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,32,60,120,240,480,960] to Record "progression" Data
Set List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13] to Record "Number Bet" Data
end
while on each spin
begin
copy last Number to Record "last1" layout
if flag "betmax" false each
begin
Track last number for 18 spins to
Record "last12" layout
end
if any inside bet won each
begin
reset all flags false
clear Record "last12" layout
set flag "betmax" false
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
put 1 to Record "Number Bets" Data Index
end
{
If Record "Last12" layout list lost each time
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" data to Record "last12" Layout list
end
}
IF Record "last12" layout count >= 17 each
Begin
//add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
//set flag "bet" true
end
IF total inside bets count >= 17 each
Begin
set flag "betmax" true
end
//add 1 on Record "Number Bet" Data Index
if flag "bet" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "last12" layout list
end
add 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "last12" layout list
If Record "progression" Data Index >
Record "progression" Data Count
Begin
clear Record "last12" layout
Put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
Put 1 on Record "Numbers Bet" Data
End
{if total spin count >= 150 each time
begin
stop session
end
}
if total bankroll <= -2000 each time
begin
stop session
end
if total bankroll >= 2000 each time
begin
stop session
end
end
END
Awesome, Ignatus! But wasn't it suposed to wait until 18 different numbers and then start betting?
I coded the Labouchere and Reverse Lab for ECs on Excel. I'll try to find the file and will adapt it to straightups
I tested another set of 450 spins
Random.org 2020-04-05 06:57:36 UTC
(read first column, then second coluymn etc..)
22 0 2 17 7 9 25 8 14 34 24 33 24 15 6
8 34 26 23 3 25 16 20 36 17 31 20 36 17 8
33 9 22 2 18 17 22 1 7 6 0 19 34 19 4
5 26 29 25 7 29 24 28 2 36 33 24 27 21 19
13 21 1 11 16 27 6 18 8 29 18 18 36 36 24
35 30 9 30 36 22 14 27 34 25 23 29 1 19 36
18 18 15 20 17 14 8 3 8 11 0 15 32 33 19
29 27 27 35 21 4 11 17 19 5 35 13 21 19 27
9 21 1 36 23 9 28 1 6 3 11 30 20 35 27
34 10 25 6 19 16 2 4 10 18 17 16 21 24 34
0 24 20 11 21 11 29 25 19 11 0 3 24 21 16
34 10 7 34 26 25 33 8 26 19 18 20 14 32 21
9 4 7 33 25 3 22 5 0 21 12 21 33 25 5
19 6 2 26 6 30 23 10 25 29 19 3 27 34 20
12 25 11 8 13 34 12 26 23 17 2 25 25 25 6
10 23 17 5 4 14 18 32 7 29 12 34 25 24 6
0 14 2 3 14 21 20 29 19 34 16 26 29 0 5
6 3 30 6 29 20 10 18 19 30 31 3 7 2 12
6 32 19 29 6 6 4 15 9 12 25 17 15 25 26
0 6 10 23 20 14 9 33 22 35 26 21 30 1 23
21 2 1 34 20 2 26 33 4 26 11 31 13 7 18
36 28 28 36 21 32 16 6 8 35 20 13 27 22 26
8 23 32 35 35 7 1 9 13 17 0 35 4 21 26
23 36 3 15 19 23 34 6 23 15 16 34 3 17 28
24 19 14 32 11 34 36 27 27 17 17 22 30 22 4
23 25 11 16 31 26 6 22 2 20 35 15 35 24 13
34 8 2 19 23 25 20 19 28 34 12 33 7 13 32
12 26 12 12 33 26 12 36 15 14 32 24 33 26 0
23 19 10 33 9 28 21 19 2 0 23 28 4 10 7
21 14 0 6 23 6 13 32 5 25 0 3 11 25 21
The first 18 unique numbers appeared after 25 spins.
So we start betting at the 26th spin.
For the following 425 spins the sesults are (W= win, L= lose):
WWWWWWWWLWLWLWWWWLWLW
LLLWLLWLLWLLWWWWLLLLLLWWLL
WWLLWLWLWLLLLWWLWLWLWWW
WWLLLWLLLLLLWLLWWWLLLLLWWL
WLWWWLLWWWLLWLLLLWLWWLW
WLWLLWWWWWLLWWWLWWLLLW
LLLWLLLLWLWWLWWWWLWWWLW
WLLWWLLLLLLLLLLLLWWLLLWWLW
LLLWWLWLLLLLWLLWLLWWLLLLWL
WLLLLWWWLWLLLLWWWWWLWLW
LWLLWLLLLLLLLLLLWLLWWWWLLLL
WWWWLWLLLLLWLLLWWLWWWWL
LWLLLLWLWWWWWLWWWWWLWL
LLLWLWLWLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLW
WLWLWLLWLWWLWWLWLLWLLWL
WWLWWWLWLLWLWWWWWWLWL
LWLLWLWLWWLWLLLWLLLLWLWL
WLLWLLWWWLWLLWWLWLLLLW
Wins: 192 (45%)
Loses: 233 (55%)
An important drawback: there are two big stakes of loses (one stake of 11 spins and one stake of 12 spins)
Of course Labouchere can beat this long-tome but he betting wil rise too much.
Any idea of a softer negative progression ?
There is no way - either you employ the labouchere which needs at least 33% wins or any other negative /positive progressions.
Progression doesnt change anything. Its just different size bets on different spins.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 03, 03:56 PM 2020
You will never have more than 10 loses on the next 20 spins because it is Impossible to come up with more than 10 unique numbers
you said, no more then 10 losses in 20, but now there 11 losses in row?
Huskerdu,
After observing your small sample of win/lose, we can see a tendency to streaks...thus I suggest you do more testing.
The most important issue is, whether this bet selection is stable, or always hit within math-expectation, in say, 100spins.
Stable or math expectation, mean in every, say, 100 spins, the win not below 40hit/100spins,
then, progression, of 1x20spins,2x20,4x20,
8x20,16x20, restart at first profit,
may always recoup initial losses, (of string of long losing streak) when long string of long win, hit.
Thanks.
the other progression bet,
if you patience , wait for long streak of losses, (as variance avoidance), say, wait for 5,6,7,or 8 losses, then bet with progression
Hello SWEET
Sorry for the delay
I was just testing some more hundreds of spins yesterday.
Well what I saw was that there are always some strings of 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 loses.
Not often but there are.
So I think the best way of playing safe is what you said with your last post. Wait for some virtual loses without playing and then bet
Thanks so much.
Then the resident experts will say whilst waiting you could be winning.
No pleasing some
Husker
how many tests have you done? perhaps it is too early to say that max 11 spins can loose in a row.
given the fact that you are betting 18 numbers, the longest Losing Streak has recently reached 27.. be careful.
Huskerdu,
If after, very long spins testing, and the result still very "streaky", and the win lose ratio, still "Stable",
then playing *follow-the-last*, or follow2nd last, could take advantage of the streaky with progression bet, but the *stable* outcome....most important.
Would a reverse La Bouchere catch those streaks? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 06, 07:46 PM 2020
Would a reverse La Bouchere catch those streaks? :question:
Yes!
As long as it remain streaky, then reverse, definitely win.
The main problem,
is how much you willing to lose, eg. 1 unit, 2,3 up to hundred unit!
start with,(1), or (0,1), or (0,11111...up to hundred), depends on your risk appetite.
Thus Huskerdu needs to make very long real bm casino data testing, to see if his ideas, hit "STREAKY"...
thanks.
Quote from: SWEET on Apr 06, 10:43 PM 2020
Yes!
As long as it remain streaky, then reverse, definitely win.
The main problem,
is how much you willing to lose, eg. 1 unit, 2,3 up to hundred unit!
start with,(1), or (0,1), or (0,11111...up to hundred), depends on your risk appetite.
Thus Huskerdu needs to make very long real bm casino data testing, to see if his ideas, hit "STREAKY"...
thanks.
I would use basic MM with even win/loss limits (ex. +$100/-$100).
Then turn that into a macro-record (ex. +$100/+$100/+$100/-$100/+$100/+$100/-$100 = WWWLWWL) if necessary.
now, the millions dollar question ....
This bet selection,
1)really STABLE?
test for millions spins, real bm data...
in every 100spins, what the WORST WIN/LOSE RATIO.
if never less than 40win/100spins, then its great!
If it ever hit less than 40/100, down to 30/100,
then fergetdit!
2)always STREAKY?
If chopping for long term,
then reverse labouchere, not good, instead Labouchere will better.
The only safe road to follow is to wait for at least 7-8 virtual continuous losses and then start betting. Otherwise, you may fall into a lossing streak from the beginning of session and then you will have to bet for dozens of times untill recover, having also to deal with an enormous rising of the total betting even using Labouchere.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 07, 05:02 AM 2020
The only safe road to follow is to wait for at least 7-8 virtual continuous losses and then start betting.
if you very sure, after millions spins testing,
that this bet-selection, very "stable" and very "streaky"...
then wait after, say,
7 or 8 losses,
then you start to bet, with "stretch" martingale,
eg.
bet ...
1u for 10spins,
2u x10,
4u x10spins,
8x10,
16x10,...till profit...
Any long streaks,
will recover initial losses, but need to restart after single profit,
to avoid horrible rising of staking.
We must facing the truth...
1)does it really streaky???
2)does it really stable???
or else we only bluffing ourselves...
thus more testing!
Quote from: SWEET on Apr 07, 08:38 AM 2020then you start to bet, with "stretch" martingale,
eg.
bet ...
1u for 10spins,
2u x10,
4u x10spins,
8x10,
16x10,...till profit...
I'm sure you can imagine what kind of BR do you need for that, don't you? :))
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Apr 07, 08:52 AM 2020
I'm sure you can imagine what kind of BR do you need for that, don't you? :))
then we need to understand, why the most important is to have a STABLE bet selection, and streaky hit...and understand the extreme variance AVOIDANCE too.
otherwise, just forget gambling...
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 07, 05:02 AM 2020
The only safe road to follow is to wait for at least 7-8 virtual continuous losses and then start betting. Otherwise, you may fall into a lossing streak from the beginning of session and then you will have to bet for dozens of times untill recover, having also to deal with an enormous rising of the total betting even using Labouchere.
would like to give you a better selection for your high low even chances...
would this work for you?
look at the brown boxes at the bottom this is the uniques in low and high...
if you put in spin by spin numbers after pressing the config button and set it to 12...that,ll put it into a rolling 12 spin basis...
removing the last and replacing with new number spun...
you can try to either bet for or against...whichever you prefer ...for you will bet for these two brown boxes numbers to equalize..ie bet for the lowest number to equalise..against you will bet for the higher number box to keep higher..no bet when both are equal...only bet when there is between 1 and 3 numbers difference....no more than that to avoid streaks...
hope you find this interesting
heres the tracker link
link:://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/
or would you play both sides at the same time?