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Title: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on Apr 12, 05:45 PM 2020
i always love to play random against random.
The reason is that whatever system I have followed which contains "after  this ... bet ... that,    when you see this ... bet ...., that ),  also every kind of matrix, and whatever system contains some logic, it fails sooner or later.
So last days I play random against random
I started with writing down a random EC queue of 8 selections, e.g. BBRBRRBR and bet with hope that roulette will not create exactly the oposite  random queue.
Money management:
I tried Martingale 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128 hoping that the roulette will not generate exactly the oposite queu for 8 spins, but unfortunately some day it did!!!!!
Then I tried LaBouchere, (whith which we can win if we have 33,4 % wins of the total bets) but unfortunately, I fal to some losing streaks that the amount of bets rise up too much that I counldn't continue with my bankroll
So I gave up EC
Then I decided to bet dozens.
What I did was just to write  a series of 123123123123123123123123123123123 etc
It means that when i have the series 123, i don't want the roulette to generate this series
So the first bet is at the 2nd and 3rd dozen, the second bet was at 1-3 dozens the third bet was at 1-2 dezens and continue the same.......
I tested 8 sessions of 500 spins each, total 4.000 spins
For every 500 spins i had:
320 - 340 wins
160-180 loses
It was logical because I bet 2/3 so the result shoyld be around 2/3 wins.
Money management:
I first tried with martingale with stop loss (In onme session I tried 1-3, at another session 1-3-9 at another 1-3-9-27 and at another session 1-3-9-27-81. 1-3-9-27, but there were some series of loses that the total wins coyldn't recover it
Then I tried LaBouchere for dozens
For those who don't know how to play LaBoucher with not beting EC but betting 2 dozens : we add two times the amount of lost betting, so instead of winning with 33,4 % wins of total bets, we win with 50.1% of total bets.  It is logical because when we bet 2 dozens the amount of wins is about 66,6% of total bets (ofcourse after many spins) , so an amount of 50% wins is acceptable.
What was the result:
I won every session without rising the betting amount like playing EC.
For every 500 spisn session, There were  many series  2, 3  loses in a row, and some series of 4,5,6 loses in a row.
In a session there was a series of 7 loses in a row and in another session was one series of 8 loses in a row.
But there were many series of wins in a row some of them was 10, 12, 15 20 wins in a row
So playing Labouchere I never end up any of the series with loses and the amount of betting was not risen too much.
So , my systme so far is:
bet selection: bet 2 dozens agains against 123 dozens
Money mamagement; Labouchere for 2 dozens
I'm waiting for feedback
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 12, 11:18 PM 2020
Huskerdu,
with due respect,
Very excited, and glad you won, actually I also research this kind of bet.

Try variance avoidance.
1) need patience...
wait for 4,5,6,7,8 or more losses in row, or say 15 losses with a few hits in between. Then start betting.
stop at profit..
see what happen.
keep in touch.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: mohitomish on Apr 13, 03:03 AM 2020
Do u play like this?

The Labouchere system requires you to come up with a line of numbers.   This can be anything you want, like 1 2 3 4 5 6

The first bet is the sum of the two numbers at either end - in this case 7 (6 + 1) on two dozen


If this bet wins, cancel out the 1 and 6 so the series is now 2, 3, 4, 5
Bet then with 7 (2+5) on two dozen


If the first bet loses, add the 7 to the end of the sequence (you loses the two dozen, so you must add both of these loses) so the sequence is then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7
The next bet would then be 8 (1+7) on both dozen

The series continues until all the numbers in the sequence have been cancelled and the set profit has been made.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 13, 03:50 AM 2020
Hi Mohit,
It will be deadly, if the winning hit not coming.

try this,
(0,1).

if lose form start,
L  01
L  011
L 0111
L 01111,=LOSE -4UNIT
Hit 011111=+1,  =-3u
Hit 1111=+2,       =-1u
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on Apr 13, 06:08 AM 2020
I don't start Laboucher with a streak of units. I just want to win 1 unit in every session, because it is the safest way of playing.
Here's how I play LaBouchere:
For EC betting:
I enter 1 unit and as it grows I bet the first and the last unit:
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 11 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 112 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1123 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 11234 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 123 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 1234 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 23 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 235 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 2357 so I bet 9
Win: The streak becomes 35 so I bet 8
Win: ThEnd of session
With 4 wins and 7 loses I win the session with max bet 9 units

For LaBoucher with betting 2 dozens the change is that after every lost spin we add two times the lost bet, so we need 50,1% wins in order to enter the session :
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 111 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 11122 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1112233 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 111223344 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 1122334 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 112233455 so I bet 6
Win: The streak becomes 1223345 so I bet 6
Lose: The streak becomes 122334566 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 2233456 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444  so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Win: End of session
So, with 9 wins and 8 loses I win the session with max bet 10 units
If I used Martingale for 2 dozens from the first 4 loses the betting would become 1-3-9-27 without to be sure if a 5th lose would come.....

Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on Apr 13, 06:11 AM 2020
Quote from: SWEET on Apr 12, 11:18 PM 2020Try variance avoidance.
1) need patience...
wait for 4,5,6,7,8 or more losses in row, or say 15 losses with a few hits in between. Then start betting.
stop at profit..
see what happen.
keep in touch.

Hi SWETT
Thanks, I agree with you.
It is really the safest way in order not to come up with long streaks.
If we have patiance to wait, I think is a mini HG
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 06:37 AM 2020
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 13, 06:11 AM 2020
Hi SWETT
Thanks, I agree with you.
It is really the safest way in order not to come up with long streaks.
If we have patiance to wait, I think is a mini HG

NO IT'S NOT MINI HG
KEEP TESTING AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A SEQUENCE THAT COMES UP AND WILL DESTROY YOUR SYSTEM
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 13, 06:44 AM 2020
Thanks Huskerdu,

I think, your strategy, is nearing hg.

Maybe you can consider, a few cautious steps, as below
1)Wait for certain "extreme variance" occurrence
to passed, as trigger to start bet...this will save you from unnecessary risk and losses.
2)A "stop-bet", from entrapped in unexpected variance, and then trigger to start-resume bet.
3)You must have a cutloss, of acceptable losses, lest the losses snowballed to bust, your previous profit...too.
4)make a long test, several tens thousands spins, to see how the WIN/LOSE RATIOS!
This is very important, so you have CONFIDENCE,
to face worst scenario while in casino.

I think, you must going through very exciting phase now. :xd:
Keep in touch! :smile:
and dont listen to any negative people that didnt contribute, but noise maker!  :sad2:
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Kattila on Apr 13, 06:53 AM 2020
The 123123.....idea is for long time here and was tested (see rouletteghost/ posts).
You would have some good chances with this only if wait looong time for triggers like 123123123(...123),
so it s not good plan to wait ages until trigger form with the classic dozens.
I will show you other way (still table based) how to create the trigger.

But ...it s no better way that  pre ordered triggers on the Wheel.
Let s  say you split the wheel in 3 groups of 12 numbers in row, or Nuke (Kimo stile )12 numbers groups.
Wait for 123123 ( or just 12312) then bet against . The problem is how to bet 24 numbers with the
limited time we have to bet . Maybe we can organize that 24 numbers on lines + quads + splits + few straights
( just example, could be ... one doz+streets+splits + few straight , or others).
Other trigger can be  112233 .

Now, the other table based trigger
Use splits or streets to create the *dozens*, example with streets:

Str  /   group

4           1
8           2
11         3
5           1
2           2
9           3
12         1
3           2

now bet against ....3123...(bet for max. 4 spins, and W or L4  retrack)
The *dozens * are not complete doz at that point , are growing groups/ doz.
Now next spins( one posible scenario):

7            3   L1
4            1   L2
9            3   W

I don t pretend this are longtime winners , but  here i ts about  order vs   random
and most of the times ( so with exceptions) real random will produce random
only sometimes produce same ordered groups (like our triggers).
Don t use killer progressions, rise bets when W streak,  down bets when L streaks.

Don t  stop improve your bet selections, maybe go with the trend ( dealer) its good way
but also can be go against the dealer ( in this case bet more numbers/ at least 24 ).

Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on Apr 13, 07:01 AM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 06:37 AM 2020NO IT'S NOT MINI HG
KEEP TESTING AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A SEQUENCE THAT COMES UP AND WILL DESTROY YOUR SYSTEM

I have tested. The worst sequence was 8 loses in a row, once in 2.000 spins. But even with this streak I won the session because many big    streaks of wins followed. And this was without waiting for virtual loses.  So if we follow the safe road to wait for big losing streaks and then bet we can beat randomness.
Why don't you  test it and post us  a sequence that have come up from random.org or any other real random source that is ?
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on Apr 13, 07:19 AM 2020
If we don't want to wait for a series of losing streaks of 123123123 we can do this:
Take the last series of 10 dozens that they have come up, consider this streak as a losing streak and start betting against this streak
For example, if the last streak of 10 spins is 2311213312 start betting against this streak with Labouchere.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 13, 08:46 AM 2020
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 13, 07:19 AM 2020
If we don't want to wait for a series of losing streaks of 123123123 we can do this
Take the last series of 10 dozens that they have come up, consider this streak as a losing streak and start betting against this streak
For example, if the last streak of 10 spins is 2311213312 start betting against this streak with Labouchere.
Huskerdu,
Why, I never heard this before!   :love:
This few post of yours already deepen my knowledge.
Thank you so much!
Keep on the good job .
Hope you find more and better method
Thanks!


Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 13, 08:57 AM 2020

Thanks Kattila for your ideas.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 10:55 AM 2020
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 13, 07:01 AM 2020
I have tested. The worst sequence was 8 loses in a row, once in 2.000 spins. But even with this streak I won the session because many big    streaks of wins followed. And this was without waiting for virtual loses.  So if we follow the safe road to wait for big losing streaks and then bet we can beat randomness.
Why don't you  test it and post us  a sequence that have come up from random.org or any other real random source that is ?

you need to tell me how many spins have you tested so far.
one of my system didn't show up as a loser until i have tested 100k spins, in the first 50k spins, everything was fine.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Apr 13, 11:01 AM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 10:55 AM 2020
you need to tell me how many spins have you tested so far.
one of my system didn't show up as a loser until i have tested 100k spins, in the first 50k spins, everything was fine.

So, you tested a system that worked fine for almost 100k spins. At that point it happend to lose and you consider it as a losing system?

Can I have that system! I am good if it works for 10k spins, I have no problem with that!  :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 11:12 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Apr 13, 11:01 AM 2020
So, you tested a system that worked fine for almost 100k spins. At that point it happend to lose and you consider it as a losing system?

Can I have that system! I am good if it works for 10k spins, I have no problem with that!  :twisted: :twisted:

well, i only measure the system in terms of ROI
A system that wins some pennies and once it's broke it loses the entire bankroll + those pennies =  LOSING SYSTEM
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 13, 12:16 PM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 11:12 AM 2020
well, i only measure the system in terms of ROI
A system that wins some pennies and once it's broke it loses the entire bankroll + those pennies =  LOSING SYSTEM

Sir,
With respect,

Just because, you crash into the drain while learning to ride bicycles, :twisted:
do not mean the world should not ride bicycles! :yawn: :question: :question: :xd:
you should pick up yourself, see what went wrong, and ride again. :wink: :sad2: :yawn: :question: :ooh: :twisted: :twisted:
hahaha
if have nothing better, just read and learn. :wink:
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Joe on Apr 13, 12:22 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Apr 13, 11:01 AM 2020Can I have that system! I am good if it works for 10k spins, I have no problem with that!

What about if it had worked for 1k spins, would you still want it? The point is that it was a losing system and the fact that it actually only crashed after 100k spins doesn't mean that it won't crash next time before 10k spins. It might even start losing from spin 1 and never recover. Do you want to take that chance?

The point about testing over a large number of spins is to find out whether the system wins long term. If it doesn't it might not even win in the short term, when you actually play it for real.  ;)
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 12:30 PM 2020
Quote from: SWEET on Apr 13, 12:16 PM 2020
Sir,
With respect,

Just because, you crash into the drain while learning to ride bicycles, :twisted:
do not mean the world should not ride bicycles! :yawn: :question: :question: :xd:
you should pick up yourself, see what went wrong, and ride again. :wink: :sad2: :yawn: :question: :ooh: :twisted: :twisted:
hahaha
if have nothing better, just read and learn. :wink:

Be nice to me, newbie!
i could be your teacher
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Roulettebeater on Apr 13, 12:31 PM 2020
Quote from: Joe on Apr 13, 12:22 PM 2020
What about if it had worked for 1k spins, would you still want it? The point is that it was a losing system and the fact that it actually only crashed after 100k spins doesn't mean that it won't crash next time before 10k spins. It might even start losing from spin 1 and never recover. Do you want to take that chance?

The point about testing over a large number of spins is to find out whether the system wins long term. If it doesn't it might not even win in the short term, when you actually play it for real.  ;)

:thumbsup:

maybe you can try to express it even simpler so that the dumps finally understand it
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on Apr 13, 01:07 PM 2020
Talking about winning systems here is my hamble opinion:
There is no need for a system to win in every session. I think there is no such system.
What is making a system winning is that:
The money we lose at the losing sessions are less than the money we win at the winning sessions.
That means that a system that has e.g  10 winning sessions that we earn 100 units  and 1 losing session in which we lose all units we have earned (or more) it is not a winning system. An example of this system is Martingale without stop loss. We lose all our money that we have won  before.
But a system that we earn more money in winning sessions than the money we lose at the losing sessions is a winning system.
So the aim is not to search for a system that always wins. But for a system that we know that there will be some losing sessions, but the money we lose will be less than the money we earn.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Apr 13, 02:40 PM 2020
Quote from: Joe on Apr 13, 12:22 PM 2020
What about if it had worked for 1k spins, would you still want it? The point is that it was a losing system and the fact that it actually only crashed after 100k spins doesn't mean that it won't crash next time before 10k spins. It might even start losing from spin 1 and never recover. Do you want to take that chance?

The point about testing over a large number of spins is to find out whether the system wins long term. If it doesn't it might not even win in the short term, when you actually play it for real.  ;)

One of the dumps says: if you ride a car on a road which ends with a wall, it's up to you if you drive slowly and you have a chance to stop before you hit the wall or you might drive at 250km/hour and your chances to hit it are... really high!

Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 13, 07:56 PM 2020
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 13, 06:08 AM 2020
For LaBoucher with betting 2 dozens the change is that after every lost spin we add two times the lost bet, so we need 50,1% wins in order to enter the session :
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 111 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 11122 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1112233 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 111223344 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 1122334 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 112233455 so I bet 6


I like it, it has a soft slope and probably a high recovery rate below table limits...
Problem is if you get WLWLWLWLWLW when trying to recover... it can get out of hand real quick.

Good idea, though!

Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Joe on Apr 14, 03:00 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Apr 13, 02:40 PM 2020One of the dumps says: if you ride a car on a road which ends with a wall, it's up to you if you drive slowly and you have a chance to stop before you hit the wall or you might drive at 250km/hour and your chances to hit it are... really high!

Analogies like this don't work very well because when driving a car you can see in advance where the wall is, but when playing roulette you can't see what's ahead so you can't stop before you hit the wall.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Apr 14, 03:57 AM 2020
Quote from: Joe on Apr 14, 03:00 AM 2020
Analogies like this don't work very well because when driving a car you can see in advance where the wall is, but when playing roulette you can't see what's ahead so you can't stop before you hit the wall.

Ok, let's assume that the wall is just around the corner! :)

Anyway... the ones who don't consider themselves dumps get the idea!
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 14, 11:41 AM 2020
Huskerdu,
Sir,
could you do me a favor?
I have a simple double dozen bet, that I think, quite ok, but since I have no computer skill, I only do test, (with old shaky fingers, and old eyesight) and only manage to do a few thousand spins test, which is too small, to have conclusion...

t

Europe wheel

dz=dozen,
thus dz1=dozen one, and so on.

test like this.

if last spin...
=dz1.
bet dz1&dz2.

if last spin=dz2.
bet dz2 & dz3

if last spin
=dz3
bet dz3 &dz1

if zero hit,
bet the previous dz.
eg
dz1,then ZERO,

So bet dz1 & dz2.
........
bet continuously,
no matter win or lose,
keep on betting, base on the last dozen hit.

eg.
spin result in dozen.
dz1....bet dz1 & dz2
dz2...win, bet dz2&dz3
dz3...win, bet dz3&dz1
dz2..lose, bet dz2&dz3
ZERO lose...BET dz2&dz3
dz1. lose..bet dz1&dz2
dz3..lose..bet dz3&dz1
and so on...
PLEASE HELP...
if it is good, we discuss how to staking.
Thanks in advance.

good night, need to zzzzz
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on Apr 15, 03:33 AM 2020
Quote from: SWEET on Apr 14, 11:41 AM 2020if last spin...
=dz1.
bet dz1&dz2.

if last spin=dz2.
bet dz2 & dz3

if last spin
=dz3
bet dz3 &dz1

SWEET
I tested
You have about 2/3 wins and1/3 loses (it is logical in the long term because you bet 2/3).
So if flat betting you are in the same
The advantage is that you earn in case of a long string with the same dozen
You lose many bets in a row , in case of a string 321321... or 213213... or 132132....

I want to show you something:
Lets say that a string 321321 comes
You lose at any case 6 bets in a row with your bet selection.
Let's say that instead, your bet selection was just play 321321 not to come:
You will not lose in any case but in 1/3 of the cases if a streak 321321 comes, because the string 321321 must come in exactly the same time as I bet.
case 1:
betting      string that comes
1-2                         3
3-1                         2
2-3                         1
1-2                          3
3-1                         2
2-3                          1

In this situation we lose 6 loses in a row

case 2:
betting      string that comes
2-3                         3
1-2                         2
3-1                         1
2-3                         3
1-2                          2
3-1                         1
2-3                          ...

In this situation even though a astring 321321 appears we have 6 wins in a row
case 1:
betting      string that comes
3-1                         3
2-3                         2
1-2                         1
3-1                          3
2-3                         2
1-2                         1
We also have 6 wins in a row.

So with your selection you always have 6 loses in a row in case of a string 321321 appears, but if you bet 321321 not to come you have in 1/3 of cases 6 loses in a row and in 2/3 of case 6 wins in a row.
That's why I prefer random selection
Thanks
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 15, 07:37 AM 2020
Huskerdu!
I was "arose", the excitement, of learning something I had never thought before.

I think, we, (or rather, you, )
are up to something!
a hg, that win more than losses.

The other "MISSING' link, are "progression strategy", variance avoidance, stop loss,etc.
We could discuss, here, (or since many negative remarks here, through email. please pm)

ps:
thank you so much for your time and effort to did testing for me...
could you please, post the txt, or files, of the said testing here. I wish to see how the win loss dz play out.
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 15, 08:03 AM 2020
After a solid bet selection...
If we could think out,
TWEAK,
better progression methods, that avoid unnecessary losses, and keep   br low, then we, not far from a reliable constant winning strategy...
need to think very hard!
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Roulettebeater on Apr 15, 08:18 AM 2020
Quote from: SWEET on Apr 15, 08:03 AM 2020
After a solid bet selection...
If we could think out,
TWEAK,
better progression methods, that avoid unnecessary losses, and keep   br low, then we, not far from a reliable constant winning strategy...
need to think very hard!

Don’t fall in the trap !

Keep your winnings very low and when the storm happens, you will be hit very hard !

What’s the sense if you max win 5 dollars per day and one day within 30 days you lose 1000
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: SWEET on Apr 15, 08:41 AM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 15, 08:18 AM 2020
Don’t fall in the trap !

Keep your winnings very low and when the storm happens, you will be hit very hard !

What’s the sense if you max win 5 dollars per day and one day within 30 days you lose 1000
Hello Sir, :)
With all due respect.
We already know that YEARS ago, it already a "stale news!",
since first casino open shop.
Thats why, we doing research to avoid that...
We appreciate your concern, and worries,
Thanks for your reminder.
We had researched many-many systems &theories, to understand, why they fail, to understand it weaknesses, and most important, not to repeat their mistakes.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Bigbroben on May 02, 07:32 PM 2020
Coded the Labouchere Double-Dozen  on Excel the way Huskerdu explained.
Did not spend any time on bet selection, but anyway.

Coded.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: RP501 on May 03, 12:41 AM 2020
Quote from: SWEET on Apr 15, 07:37 AM 2020I think, we, (or rather, you, )
are up to something!
a hg, that win more than losses.

Just out of curiosity, IF someone really found the "Holy Grail" of beating Roulette long term  -- WHY in the world would someone "reveal" that priceless discovery???  I'd keep it a well-guarded SECRET, unless I don't plan to even use it, and just sell it for $100,000 and make the money that route.   ;)

IMHO, Playing Roulette is compared to -- like you driving a car.  If you drive carefully by following safe driving tactics, drive defensively, and avoid hazardous conditions -- You will less likely be involve in an accident, be injured or killed. Of course it's never guaranteed, because it's practically impossible to avoid another driver's error.  According to Google, there's a 1 in 103 chance of dying in a car crash.  So, are you never ever going to drive or ride in a vehicle???  I don't think so!

My point is -- If you come up with a Roulette System that can survive a minimum 50,000 spins, you just may have something. If it survives another 50,000 spins, then you're really up to something. But here's the thing -- even if it survives another 100,000 or 500,000 or even 1,000,000 spins, etc., that does NOT mean it's a guarantee that your System will NEVER fail!  WHY?  Because Roulette is still "random", which means ANYTHING can still happen!

BUT, just like driving a car -- you can still play Roulette with some degree of success, but only IF you play SMART -- Always TEST your System with at least 50,000 spins, preferably 100,000 or more.  Heck, maybe you can have the LUCK of those who have driven their entire LIFE, and have NEVER been in a car accident!

Just always remember -- #1 Rule Of Thumb:  NEVER bet money you cannot afford to lose!!!   :thumbsup:




Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Richard Meisel on May 03, 12:45 AM 2020
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 15, 03:33 AM 2020
SWEET
I tested
You have about 2/3 wins and1/3 loses (it is logical in the long term because you bet 2/3).
So if flat betting you are in the same
The advantage is that you earn in case of a long string with the same dozen
You lose many bets in a row , in case of a string 321321... or 213213... or 132132....

I want to show you something:
Lets say that a string 321321 comes
You lose at any case 6 bets in a row with your bet selection.
Let's say that instead, your bet selection was just play 321321 not to come:
You will not lose in any case but in 1/3 of the cases if a streak 321321 comes, because the string 321321 must come in exactly the same time as I bet.
case 1:
betting      string that comes
1-2                         3
3-1                         2
2-3                         1
1-2                          3
3-1                         2
2-3                          1

In this situation we lose 6 loses in a row

case 2:
betting      string that comes
2-3                         3
1-2                         2
3-1                         1
2-3                         3
1-2                          2
3-1                         1
2-3                          ...

In this situation even though a astring 321321 appears we have 6 wins in a row
case 1:
betting      string that comes
3-1                         3
2-3                         2
1-2                         1
3-1                          3
2-3                         2
1-2                         1
We also have 6 wins in a row.

So with your selection you always have 6 loses in a row in case of a string 321321 appears, but if you bet 321321 not to come you have in 1/3 of cases 6 loses in a row and in 2/3 of case 6 wins in a row.
That's why I prefer random selection
Thanks
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Richard Meisel on May 03, 12:49 AM 2020
Hey Husk, wouldn't there be less Losing Strings betting on the 2 Dozens that didn't hit and the next Bet on the Dozen that did hit and any other Dozen. Then keep that alternating betting.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: RP501 on May 03, 12:58 AM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 03, 12:49 AM 2020wouldn't there be less Losing Strings betting on the 2 Dozens that didn't hit and the next Bet on the Dozen that did hit and any other Dozen. Then keep that alternating betting.

You would think so, BUT then there will be periods where it will "whip-saw", just like when R,B,R,B,R,B,R... happens. So it can become a "catch-22".   ;)
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: Richard Meisel on May 03, 01:57 AM 2020
Hi RP, can you give me some mathematical odds on when that "whip-saw" happens? By the way I wrote a jazz tune called "Catch 22". 22/4 time: 3 bars of 5/4 and 1 bar of 7/4. Nice Melody.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: RP501 on May 03, 03:34 AM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 03, 01:57 AM 2020Hi RP, can you give me some mathematical odds on when that "whip-saw" happens? By the way I wrote a jazz tune called "Catch 22". 22/4 time: 3 bars of 5/4 and 1 bar of 7/4. Nice Melody.

Hey RM.  Cool, let's hear it on YouTube.  8)

Can't really give you the odds of how often it will happen, but my guess is that it happens as often (or not so often) and as random, as when a string of R,B,R,B,R,B... happens. Because there will be periods when that pattern won't happen much, instead you will see R,R,B,B,R,R,B,B or R,R,R,B,B,B,R,R,R, or long strings of R,R,R,R,R... & B,B,B,B,B... .  That's Roulette "randomness" for you.   ;)

So, with the Double Dozen bet selection, since your winning percentage is 64.8% (single zero) as oppose to 48.6 with EC -- the whip-saw strings won't last as long like the EC would (I once saw R,B,R,B,R,B... go 17 spins in-a-row!). But then again ergo another Catch-22 -- your bet odds with Double Dozen is 1-2 at .50% win, rather than EC's 1-1 100% win.  :-\

Back to your "idea" of switching your Double Dozen selection.  It's a good one, BUT then again, since Roulette is "random" -- there will be periods where your idea seems to be working when switching. Then there will be periods when it would've been better if you didn't switch.

So, it's pretty much like a "pick your poison" dilemma.  ;D  I think it's boils down to a matter of preference.  Play both versions of the Method, long enough so that you will begin to get a "feeling" (instincts) of how both ways plays.  Then just choose the one that feels better for you.

You can practice and test here:

link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en

Or if you have "time to burn", here.  (My opinion is RNG & Live wheel is pretty much the same, long term)

link:s://:.liveroulette.ie

Have FUN!   :thumbsup:







Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: huskerdu on May 03, 04:02 AM 2020
Playing with 2 dozens, sooner or later there will be any kind of a long string like:
2 alternative dozens: 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 or 1-3-1-3-1-3-1-3 or 2-3-2-3-2-3-2-3
3 alternative dozens: 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3
same dozen: : 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 or 2-2-2-2-2-2 or 3-3-3-3-3-3

So, whatever kind of betting we chose sooner or later we will fall to such strings. And if they are long, it will be too dificult to recover.
That's why I play random.
Or another way is to swich the kind of selection every 3 bettings.
Title: Re: Random Dozens with LaBouchere
Post by: RP501 on May 03, 04:19 AM 2020
Quote from: huskerdu on May 03, 04:02 AM 2020So, whatever kind of betting we chose sooner or later we will fall to such strings. And if they are long, it will be too dificult to recover.
That's why I play random.
Or another way is to swich the kind of selection every 3 bettings.

So in essence, MEISEL's idea on switching IS in itself "random". Because when switching, it's following the randomness of where the Dozens are hitting, as it happens.  But then again, it's a matter of perspective, isn't it?   ;)