The casinos:
In order to beat the mathematics have already done it with:
• The zero
• The table limits.
In order to fight any kind of the physics issue, have already:
• Put those diamonds around the wheel.
• Examine regularly the wheels for any biased flaws.
• Dealers cannot spin the ball at exactly the same speed (it is human impossible)
• The wheel turns alternatively right and left.
Other weapons of casinos are the newbies, the gambler’s fallacy, the players’ greediness and any other kind of players’psychology which arises anxiety, desperation, anguish and many more that obfuscate their minds.
But is there anything that casinos afraid?
Is there any kind of betting or any kind of players who are afraid of?
If we think about it, maybe we could come closer to a kind of HG.
So think of that:
Say that you play a roulette game with your friends at home.
You are the “owner†of the casino. You have 10,000 dollars in your bank.
You invite 5 friends in your home and they play roulette, each using 100 dollars bankroll.
What kind of player would you afraid of ?
What kind of betting would you afraid of ?
If we think deeper from the side of the “casino owner†maybe we could find a system of play that casinos are afraid of.
My opinion:
I would afraid a “hit and run†player. Put his money on 30 numbers, so as a casino owner I’d have only 1/6 chances to win.
He wins 5 units and goes away.
What kind of players or systems of play would you afraid of, as a casino owner?
The book "Casino Game Protection" by Steve Forte answers this. It covers all the major ways casino lose money to players. But some of the information especially about roulette is 10+ years behind.
And you're on the right track.
What casinos do amd what they're scared if gives clues on what works.
Specifically their countermeasures. There are many of them.
You'll never get banned for chasing repeaters or using the martingale etc. I wonder why.
The big lucky winner is always a threat. But the big stupid losers balance it out.
Casino win and rakes in most gambler's br, because of "extreme variance".
Gambler would, win,win,win,win, with their systems, them , suddenly, lose all br, and all previous profit, and money from the atm too.
If I am casino owner, I fear, a gambler, who could, calculate the probability, sit out and avoid the extreme variance, then bet the rest, with mild progression, win and run.
Quote from: SWEET on May 03, 10:42 AM 2020
Casino win and rakes in most gambler's br, because of "extreme variance".
Gambler would, win,win,win,win, with their systems, them , suddenly, lose all br, and all previous profit, and money from the atm too.
If I am casino owner, I fear, a gambler, who could, calculate the probability, sit out and avoid the extreme variance, then bet the rest, with mild progression, win and run.
LOL, that is not the primary reason why the casinos win. How do you not understand that any "system" is always going to lose in the long run?
Example:
For European roulette, the payout for the single number is 35 to 1. And there are 37 numbers which you can bet on. Meaning that the casino, has a house edge or EV (expected value) of 2.7%. This means - that any "system" is bound to lose in the long run.
Sure, for the players that are using progressions and playing outside of their bankroll will go broke faster, but that is not the primary reason as to how casino makes the money from roulette.
After all of these years, it is mind boggling that players either don't understand this basic thing, or just don't want to acknowledge this fact.
hello winforus,
with due respect.
that arguement of "edge",ev2.7%,rtm, ecart,35/37payout,bla,bla,bla, already stale,
when first casino open for business....
Puhleeesh,
I had read that for millions times, since I could read english.
All that math calculations, that mathboys researched to their death, already make people rolls their eyes before finishing the paragraph.
Extreme Variance, happened, alternatingly with positive variance and within math expectation.
These TRIO, alternate, disciminately, and unpredictable, and only after long spins, could we see ,within rtm expectation.
Please dont post, all that stale, eyes rolling stuff again, please....
Quote from: SWEET on May 03, 12:05 PM 2020
hello winforus,
with due respect.
that arguement of "edge",ev2.7%,rtm, ecart,35/37payout,bla,bla,bla, already stale,
when first casino open for business....
Puhleeesh,
I had read that for millions times, since I could read english.
All that math calculations, that mathboys researched to their death, already make people rolls their eyes before finishing the paragraph.
Extreme Variance, happened, alternatingly with positive variance and within math expectation.
These TRIO, alternate, disciminately, and unpredictable, and only after long spins, could we see ,within rtm expectation.
Please dont post, all that stale, eyes rolling stuff again, please....
All you say here is that it is "stale". Can you explain and provide reasoning/argument as to why it is invalid? I am telling you that 1+1 = 2 and you are trying to tell me that 1+1= 3 here. This is basic math and it's a fact.
You clearly have no understanding of basic probabilities and expected value.
say,
for you to understand,
Bet RED for next 100spins.
WHAT will happen?
Three event will and must happen,
1. RED>BLACK
2.RED<BLACK
3.RED/BLACK, almost equal,with few green.
this unarguable facts.
the worst ever recorded hit/200spins, only 69red/200spins,
while, people never witnessed less than 30/100spins.
thus, in next 100spins, you may only get 30hit, or 69hit/200.
That what we call EXTREME VARIANCE.
you cant win 30hit/100, with labouchere, start with(1),or(0.1)
But we could win 30/100, with modified labby, alas unplayable in bm casino, since, br will shoot up very high.
69/200, can beaten with labouchere, start with (0-1), since 69/200, is more than 33.34%.
it close at 67th hit. and br shoot to hundreds units.
The only way to win in casino, are,
1)bet selection that filter out and sit out, the extreme variance.
2)stop loss, or accept losses, that will compensated by more seasons profits.
3)progressions, that match, a bet selection that produce hit, within the MATH EXPECTATION OF THE PROGRESSION.
meaning that, if your bet selection cant produce more win, that your selected progression needed, to closed, that it will bust. ..or lose br
thats why, many people, dont realise, that, their systems fail, because, the game could produce, less hit, than they thought possible, that their progression, cant withstand the assault, and soon bust.
Quote from: SWEET on May 03, 12:14 PM 2020
say,
for you to understand,
Bet RED for next 100spins.
WHAT will happen?
Three event will and must happen,
1. RED>BLACK
2.RED<BLACK
3.RED/BLACK, almost equal,with few green.
this unarguable facts.
the worst ever recorded hit/200spins, only 69red/200spins,
while, people never witnessed less than 30/100spins.
thus, in next 100spins, you may only get 30hit, or 69hit/200.
That what we call EXTREME VARIANCE.
Why are you only considering 100 or 200 spins? Do you understand how small of a sample size this is and how irrelevant it is? Log run is not 100 spins or even 1000 spins. You talk about "variance", yet you have just demonstrated to me, that you don't even know what this word means.
The odds are still the same - weather you play 1 spin, 100 spins, or 300 spins.
If you are betting red or black, here are the basics for you:
On the European wheel, there are 37 numbers. 18 are black, 18 are red, and 1 green. So the odds of red or black spinning are 18/37 = 0.4865. This means that you will win 48.65% of the time on a red/black bet, meaning that in the long run you will lose! (it's below 50% or 1 to 1 payout).
You are totally ignorant of the most basic fundamental things, when it comes to odds, variance, expected value, etc.
Quote from: winforus on May 03, 12:10 PM 2020
All you say here is that it is "stale". Can you explain and provide reasoning/argument as to why it is invalid? I am telling you that 1+1 = 2 and you are trying to tell me that 1+1= 3 here. This is basic math and it's a fact.
You clearly have no understanding of basic probabilities and expected value.
Winforus,
with respect,
lets play a very simple game.
Many erudite members here already know the answer, how to play this simple game.
In a box, there 30red marbles and 70black marbles. I will take one out, and cast aside,
now, you bet only RED, and how to win at least one unit?(treat it like 30red/70black in roulette, follow casino rules)
if you cant answer in 10 seconds, then you need to read more...
Quote from: SWEET on May 03, 12:39 PM 2020
Winforus,
with respect,
lets play a very simple game.
Many erudite members here already know the answer, how to play this simple game.
In a box, there 30red marbles and 70black marbles. I will take one out, and cast aside,
now, you bet only RED, and how to win at least one unit?(treat it like 30red/70black in roulette, follow casino rules)
if you cant answer in 10 seconds, then you need to read more...
Except, that's not how it works in casino. Casino, does not cast one aside! Why are you changing the rules?
Take a box with 18 red, 18 black, and 1 green. The payout is 1-1 if you a pick red or black. After it gets taken out, you put it back in.
Do it 100 times or 1000 times- and on average you will win 48.65% of the time.
You are ignoring and arguing against most basic and simple math.
If you can't understand the math that I wrote above - then you have to brain damaged or with some serious disabilities, I have no other way to say this.
Quote from: winforus on May 03, 12:37 PM 2020
Why are you only considering 100 or 200 spins? Do you understand how small of a sample size this is and how irrelevant it is? Log run is not 100 spins or even 1000 spins. You talk about "variance", yet you have just demonstrated to me, that you don't even know what this word means.
The odds are still the same - weather you play 1 spin, 100 spins, or 300 spins.
If you are betting red or black, here are the basics for you:
On the European wheel, there are 37 numbers. 18 are black, 18 are red, and 1 green. So the odds of red or black spinning are 18/37 = 0.4865. This means that you will win 48.65% of the time on a red/black bet, meaning that in the long run you will lose! (it's below 50% or 1 to 1 payout).
You are totally ignorant of the most basic fundamental things, when it comes to odds, variance, expected value, etc.
Winforus,
with respect,
please,please,please,
no more math facts here, its too hard for me, please start from the very first basic.
1+1=2?
why?
why 1+1=2???
My brain too slow.
but...
All members here already understand all that fact,
they already know,
that the earth is round,
theres 24hours in a day,
we need oxygen, water is h20, fish needs water,
and...bla,bla,bla..
please...stop...
good night,midnight here.
Quote from: SWEET on May 03, 12:53 PM 2020
Winforus,
with respect,
please,please,please,
no more math facts here, its too hard for me, please start from the very first basic.
1+1=2?
why?
why 1+1=2???
My brain too slow.
but...
All members here already understand all that fact,
they already know,
that the earth is round,
theres 24hours in a day,
we need oxygen, water is h20, fish needs water,
and...bla,bla,bla..
please...stop...
good night,midnight here.
You are an idiot, I have nothing more left to say. This is the reason why casinos make so much money, from people not understanding the basics.
Take a box with 18 red, 18 black, and 1 green. The payout is 1-1 if you a pick red or black. After it gets taken out, you put it back in.
Do it 100 times or 1000 times- and on average you will win 48.65% of the time. (below 50%)
You are ignoring and arguing against most basic and simple math.
Quote from: winforus on May 03, 12:52 PM 2020
Except, that's not how it works in casino. Casino, does not cast one aside! Why are you changing the rules?
Take a box with 18 red, 18 black, and 1 green. The payout is 1-1 if you a pick red or black. After it gets taken out, you put it back in.
Do it 100 times or 1000 times- and on average you will win 48.65% of the time.
You are ignoring and arguing against most basic and simple math.
If you can't understand the math that I wrote above - then you have to brain damaged or with some serious disabilities, I have no other way to say this.
hello winforus,
with respect,
this a simple game.
Cast aside, mean, I do not put that marble back, so it is like, in next 100spins, you will have
only 30reds, and 70blacks , in all the possible PERMUTATION.
(search for permutation)
and follow casino rules, mean as if you are in a casino, and follow their real rules.
Now think very hard, in 10 hours instead of 10 seconds, how to win 1unit...follow casino rules.
good night, zzzzzz
Thank you sweet for showing us the thinking process for majority of system junkies. Very poor education, ignorance, close mindedness, and stubbornness - are some of the factors which contribute to casinos taking millions from them every year.
This is why when you tell them - "the only way to win is to increase the accuracy of your predictions" - to them it's like a foreign language.
TBF to Steve and the math Boyz they are right.
If you don't find a way to know A happening more than B, or
A happening more than odds
It's a sure loser.
Repeaters, sleepers together with the rest I wrote on the other thread are sure losers.
Quote from: winforus on May 03, 01:06 PM 2020the only way to win is to increase the accuracy of your predictions
If you think you can do it, you'd have already done it. But you cannot. Nobody can.
In my opinion, physics,. visual balistics and similar staff is another gambler's fallacy.
I have three graphics all generated from 200 bets on Red in a row for each graphic. It, on its own, is a pathetic method of bet selection. It produces what I wanted to show you anyway. It shows ups and downs. You don't need to increase a capacity to predict the future in order to take advantage of it. In one case all you need to do is switch sides and bet on black. Other graphs show that upward streaks have very limited duration. It's a matter of learning how to ride the waves. You can tell the difference between strong direction and moderate or lackluster direction. That is information. You can even tell when a characteristic ends and the graph takes on a different character, like comparing all three graphs as 600 spins all bet flat on red.
Hi Gizmotron,
What we see here ? I see the M and W patterns, always there in any chart, no doubt.
Not always help in play, but many times can save from long(or short) Ls streaks.
Start to bet when tend to win , stop or reduce bets when tend to go down.
See the file ( inside two charts, one your). After open zoom if necesary.
Quote from: SWEET on May 03, 10:42 AM 2020Casino win and rakes in most gambler's br, because of "extreme variance".
It has nothing to do with variance. Variance doesnt make you lose.
What makes you lose is the difference between payout and odds, ie the house edge.
If you want to minimize variance, just bet more numbers. But again variance isn't your problem.
Quote from: Kattila on May 03, 05:16 PM 2020
Hi Gizmotron,
What we see here ? I see the M and W patterns, always there in any chart, no doubt.
Not always help in play, but many times can save from long(or short) Ls streaks.
Start to bet when tend to win , stop or reduce bets when tend to go down.
See the file ( inside two charts, one your). After open zoom if necesary.
Brilliant. Just like a stock trader with a plan.
GIZMOTRON2 - What do you mean when you say "riding the waves"? I suppose that you are using intuition/feeling, to help you make a decision weather you should be "riding" or not. I personally had moments in the past, when all reds or blacks were constantly coming out - and I had a feeling that it would continue with that trend for a good period of the time. The feeling was there and it turned out to be true - but this is a combination of intuition/precognition. Do I understand you correctly or do you mean something else when you say this?
KATTILA
Quote from: winforus on May 03, 07:15 PM 2020
GIZMOTRON2 - What do you mean when you say "riding the waves"? I suppose that you are using intuition/feeling, to help you make a decision weather you should be "riding" or not. I personally had moments in the past, when all reds or blacks were constantly coming out - and I had a feeling that it would continue with that trend for a good period of the time. The feeling was there and it turned out to be true - but this is a combination of intuition/precognition. Do I understand you correctly or do you mean something else when you say this?
I mean if you can relate to what KATTILA showed in the charts drawn with start and stop points then you will get an idea. It's not feeling and it's not pure mechanical. It's mechanical with conditional checking added to it. I'll dig up the background from stock trading to show you how all this got started. It might have been from this very forum that the idea got into my head more than two years ago when this video was posted. The guy misses one thing that I know matters. He thinks that casinos win because of math. But the truth is casinos win much more than the math allows for by the odds alone.
Here is that video. It will help to understand the start and stop points in the graphs:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=bRCtBRsLPmk
In the same way,
Example L W play, trying to catch the Ws and avoid Ls.
Quote from: huskerdu on May 03, 02:14 PM 2020
If you think you can do it, you'd have already done it. But you cannot. Nobody can.
In my opinion, physics,. visual balistics and similar staff is another gambler's fallacy.
The problem with VB and RC is that they ought to rely on physics principles and equations. Whereas we all know VB on forum is primitively crude and RC on sale does not run physics differential equations algo. These are facts meaning zero physics content except convenient usage of the word.
And we also know never discuss physics with a salesman
So your answer is you have no experience, at all?
I'm a player before selling anything. any serious player can get my best computers free and split winnings :thumbsup:
Even a salesman would have more experience than your no experience. I'm not sure you'd even understand the most basic algorithm.
Btw, the physics published covers about half of what happens, and some of it is incorrect.
Also in those documents they used video processing for timings. I did this about 10 years ago for ball and green detection.
This video was made about 10 years ago
That was part of the earliest version of my automated computers. 10 years ago. You're clueless.
Quote from: huskerdu on May 03, 02:14 PM 2020If you think you can do it, you'd have already done it.
I have. And I'm not the only one. The proof isnt hard to find.
Quote from: huskerdu on May 03, 02:14 PM 2020In my opinion, physics,. visual balistics and similar staff is another gambler's fallacy.
Again, you'd just need to do a bit of research. Really, it's not rocket science.
Quote from: winforus on May 03, 01:06 PM 2020
Thank you sweet for showing us the thinking process for majority of system junkies. Very poor education, ignorance, close mindedness, and stubbornness - are some of the factors which contribute to casinos taking millions from them every year.
This is why when you tell them - "the only way to win is to increase the accuracy of your predictions" - to them it's like a foreign language.
Ok, you talk about the HE but imagine I play 100 spins of R/B and I was only betting on Black and black came out 70 times and I won, where is the HE now?
It is the variance isn’t, that kills a system?
What I increased the accuracy of my bet by choosing black?
Ok, zero came out 3 times, I still won 67 hands and lost 33.
Variance killed the cat
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 05:39 PM 2020
It has nothing to do with variance. Variance doesnt make you lose.
What makes you lose is the difference between payout and odds, ie the house edge.
If you want to minimize variance, just bet more numbers. But again variance isn't your problem.
Ok then, when you play a single number the same one all the time, it will only lose at the HE rate? why don’t you try it and see.
The question is why don’t all the numbers show up in a 37 spin cycle despite having equal chance of coming out? The answer to that question is your HG
One check can be put to minimize losses,, play with small amount always,, if loose,, game over,, in this case putting high bets during tense time or due to frustration,,, will not happen,, so you have time to think ,, correct your mistakes and adjust your game plan on next deposit
Quote from: jay on May 04, 06:32 AM 2020
Ok then, when you play a single number the same one all the time, it will only lose at the HE rate? why don’t you try it and see.
The question is why don’t all the numbers show up in a 37 spin cycle despite having equal chance of coming out? The answer to that question is your HG
Spot on Jay, we know they don't show up equal. This means some show up more(A) and others show up less(B).
If we know A show up more than B, we hv the bet with positive edge or hg. The systems bet win naturally.
A and B is not hi/lo, O/E, R/B, DZ, Col, Quad, Line, Sector, Street, Split.
You select str8 which forms A then bet against casino's B that you select for them. That's the game to play.
And only play the spins when A is more likely to happen then B.
Sometimes I think the best system is , pick upto 10 numbers randomly, set a bankroll amount £x, play those numbers as long as your bankroll lasts.
Win or lose. Simples
Have you seen the BELL CURVE system at the other forum, what do you think?
No jay, what you're talking about still gives you the same accuracy as random bets.
Test lots and see.
You guys need to get this. You think you're onto something good. The reality is you're not even crawling yet.
Here there are ample members who know better. Learn from them. Save yourself time.
That’s what I m saying Steve, random bets. Win or lose. No thinking involved, no tracking, you try to beat random by random. The same bets for the duration of your session.
Has anyone tried this?
Quote from: cht on May 04, 06:59 AM 2020
Spot on Jay, we know they don't show up equal. This means some show up more(A) and others show up less(B).
If we know A show up more than B, we hv the bet with positive edge or hg. The systems bet win naturally.
A and B is not hi/lo, O/E, R/B, DZ, Col, Quad, Line, Sector, Street, Split.
You select str8 which forms A then bet against casino's B that you select for them. That's the game to play.
And only play the spins when A is more likely to happen then B.
If you find this A vs B systems game you're sure to win Flatbet every session 100%.
Why?
Simple, A shows up more than B.
6numbers vs 6 numbers, or
12numbers vs 12 numbers, or
18numbers vs 18numbers.
Find this or you can continue shout nonsense on forum.
Tried that despite the bad logic. Didnt work.
You cant pile shit on shit and expect gold.
First understand the problem, which is the payout being below the odds. So the only way to win is increase accuracy of predictions.
First try, 10 random numbers selected.
If you don’t know which numbers are going to come out?
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 07:19 AM 2020
Tried that despite the bad logic. Didnt work.
You cant pile shit on shit and expect gold.
First understand the problem, which is the payout being below the odds. So the only way to win is increase accuracy of predictions.
Admit it, you're too stupid to find anything.
Not trolling or personal attack.
You're what you are, can't be someone smart that you're not.
That's why you hv to do it the hard way.
:thumbsup:
You sure fixed my red wagon
Cht, are you saying any number showing more than others, not just repeaters but singles too?
Quote from: jay on May 04, 07:29 AM 2020
Cht, are you saying any number showing more than others, not just repeaters but singles too?
Repeaters doesn't mean they are going to hit higher rate than other numbers.
Sleepers doesn't mean that they are going to hit lower rate than others.
Repeaters and sleepers are jargons created by the casino to fool the bettor. They both hit at random rate with no special hit rate quality. Why should they? That's why if you play both of them you lose.
Ok, you’re presenting something unique here. Which is your preferred number 6,12 or 18?
Or does it change based on what’s happening?
Quote from: jay on May 04, 07:35 AM 2020
Ok, you’re presenting something unique here. Which is your preferred number 6,12 or 18?
12 vs 12
You select 12 numbers for the bettor,
- high hitrate numbers
Vs
You select 12 numbers for the casino.
-low hitrate numbers
Bet on spins that's in your favour.
This is the game to play to overturn the casino's he and survive negative variance.
Ok, thanks, will try that.
Based on previous outcomes?
You numbers can change every spin?
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 07:13 AM 2020You guys need to get this. You think you're onto something good. The reality is you're not even crawling yet.
All these ideas that pick a bet selection without looking for what is currently working all have the same characteristic to them. They will have sessions that work great, sessions that are without either side in a phase of domination, and phases that are losing streaks. And these blind systems run into the losing streaks because the player does not check what the conditions are. Once you have figured out how to see the conditions then figuring out how to deal with them is the next thing to learn about. If you don't have a plan for rapidly changing conditions then you might as well flush your money right down the toilet.
Quote from: jay on May 04, 07:37 AM 2020
Ok, thanks, will try that.
Based on previous outcomes?
You numbers can change every spin?
Every spin played has a new set of 12 vs 12 numbers.
Create a game of Brazil vs Japan.
Don't win all the time. Upsets happen. Poor form and so on.
But long run Brazil wins naturally.
I have 0 chance of winning something flushing my money down the toilet.
Excuse me for not doing it, instead I’ll put it on the table, if you don’t mind Gizmo?
Thanks Cht
Jay, chts advice is wrong and youre making bets no better than random. You dont seem interested in listening to reason, so you can find out yourself.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 07:45 AM 2020
Jay, chts advice is wrong and youre making bets no better than random. You dont seem interested in listening to reason, so you can find out yourself.
Yea, listen to your stupid right?
Tell us in a simple yes or no.
Do your RC run physics differential equations?
Steve, I am just listening to see what Cht got to say.
Are you saying the only way to win is to increase the accuracy of prediction by using RCs?
My question to everyone, why do some numbers come out more than other?
I can’t get my head around that fact.
Equal chance, yet some don’t come out?
Quote from: jay on May 04, 07:51 AM 2020Are you saying the only way to win is to increase the accuracy of prediction by using RCs?
Even random bets can win. What's eventually lose. What I'm saying is sustained profit is only possible by increasing the accuracy of predictions by enough to overcome the unfair payouts (house edge).
It can be done various ways. Roulette computers are just one way.
It's no secret. The basics of gambling, odds and payout are really, really old news.
@ Jay, equal chance means in the long run, which is thousands of spins. There is inequality in the short term (variance).
Quote from: jay on May 04, 07:57 AM 2020
My question to everyone, why do some numbers come out more than other?
I can’t get my head around that fact.
Equal chance, yet some don’t come out?
With random outcomes, variance.
Variance is just a word for uncertainty.
Cht, I was watching a video about entropy. Are trying to reverse entropy by changing your bet selection? Like inputting more energy to reverse a spontaneous event?
Quote from: cht on May 04, 07:50 AM 2020
Yea, listen to your stupid right?
Tell us in a simple yes or no.
Do your RC run physics differential equations?
Yes, dopey. There are quite a few differential equations.
The math for basic computers is a few lines of code. More sophisticated computers like my hybrid have about 5 pages/screens of source code just for one the ball deceleration and behavior algorithms. Just the part that models the ball rolling before falling.
You should also see what it takes for basic object recognition algorithms. Then consider they're about 5% of the code, the scope of the whole application, different parts and hardware, the capabilities, then you'll better understand why im calling you dopey.
Quote from: jay on May 04, 07:57 AM 2020
My question to everyone, why do some numbers come out more than other?
I can’t get my head around that fact.
Equal chance, yet some don’t come out?
Because casinos are not stupid. They want to make money. How else are they going to survive as a business. If everyone can predict the results with maths then they will go bust.
No Precog, I mean any physical reason or any other reason?
How do the casino ‘s know some numbers are going to come out more than others?
We also know it?
R u saying it all comes down to that extra number in the end?
Quote from: jay on May 04, 08:08 AM 2020
Cht, I was watching a video about entropy. Are trying to reverse entropy by changing your bet selection? Like inputting more energy to reverse a spontaneous event?
I chose the betting condition when at higher energy state entropy occurs more vigorously. Select the candidates that more likely to happen to represent my team, less likely to represent the casino. Changes with every spin played. Never the same.
Just imagine how much time we'd all save if we understood what others already learned, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel and repeating the same mistakes.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 08:10 AM 2020
Yes, dopey. There are quite a few differential equations.
The math for basic computers is a few lines of code. More sophisticated computers like my hybrid have about 5 pages/screens of source code just for one the ball deceleration and behavior algorithms. Just the part that models the ball rolling before falling.
You should also see what it takes for basic object recognition algorithms. Then consider they're about 5% of the code, the scope of the whole application, different parts and hardware, the capabilities, then you'll better understand why im calling you dopey.
What you write on forum is all sales talk.
Zero physics after thousands of posts.
I find it hard to believe you.
Your posts don't come across as an educated physicists.
Plenty salesman talk, you're good at it too.
And your stupid shows.
Not responding anymore to your salesman typical ad hominem shit. You may hv the pleasure to continue play in the mud ALONE.
Quote from: jay on May 04, 08:16 AM 2020How do the casino ‘s know some numbers are going to come out more than others?
We also know it?
If some numbers came out more than others in the long run it would indicate a biased wheel, which would be bad for the casino, so they work hard to make sure this doesn't happen.
Yes, some numbers come out more than others
in the short term, but neither you nor the casino knows which ones (unless you're using physics). Don't waste your time trying to predict outcomes with systems, they don't work. How can they?
Cht, what is the energy source in your theory? The higher energy state?
Quote from: cht on May 04, 08:22 AM 2020What you write on forum is all sales talk.
Like the popup ad telling people to get my computer free and split profits?
Quote from: cht on May 04, 08:22 AM 2020Zero physics after thousands of posts.
I've explained it many many times. So have others. I keep the finer points to myself.
What good would it do for me to give away my algorithms, dopey? Anyone wanting proof can test my computers on any wheel they want.
Quote from: cht on May 04, 08:22 AM 2020I find it hard to believe you.
Im not surprised. You can't even understand grade 3 math.
Quote from: cht on May 04, 08:22 AM 2020Your posts don't come across an educated physicists.
E=mc^2
Is that better?
Quote from: cht on May 04, 08:22 AM 2020Just salesman talk, you're good at it too.
It's actually just that I tell straight truth.
Quote from: cht on May 04, 08:22 AM 2020And your stupid shows.
Now this hurts.
If nobody knows what’s going to happen in the short term then, the best way is to bet random and hope you win?
Short term.
Quote from: jay on May 04, 08:16 AM 2020
No Precog, I mean any physical reason or any other reason?
How do the casino ‘s know some numbers are going to come out more than others?
We also know it?
R u saying it all comes down to that extra number in the end?
The only time casinos know the next number is When they cheat so they don't go bust. It is just a necessary evil. Otherwise they could go out of business If even for a 0.000001% chance someone has discovered the holy grail.
Quote from: jay on May 04, 08:31 AM 2020
If nobody knows what’s going to happen in the short term then, the best way is to bet random and hope you win?
And the best way to do that is precognition.
Like in minority report, but even then there were exceptions and it failed.
Do I have to stay in a pool?
Quote from: jay on May 04, 08:31 AM 2020
If nobody knows what’s going to happen in the short term then, the best way is to bet random and hope you win?
Short term.
That's not how it works. Start with :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Every spin is unique with its own odds.
Precog is a whole different area. I've said for years its probably the future.
Really, no pun intended.
Quote from: jay on May 04, 08:35 AM 2020
Like in minority report, but even then there were exceptions and it failed.
Do I have to stay in a pool?
Yes you have to stay in a pool for 5 years being injected with LSD and fed through a straw.
:question: :yawn:
.. and sacrifices. You forgot about goat sacrifices.
Man I m sorry, it gets too serious sometimes. You’ve got to laugh ;D
You could always try a meth lab
Quote from: jay on May 04, 08:28 AM 2020
Cht, what is the energy source in your theory? The higher energy state?
This is the equation that represent this law.
Apologise I'm not able to directly answer your question.
Huskerdu, I hope this is what you hoped for when you started this thread
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 08:42 AM 2020
.. and sacrifices. You forgot about goat sacrifices.
:twisted:
Quote from: cht on May 04, 08:44 AM 2020
This is the equation that represent this law.
Apologise I'm not able to directly answer your question.
Clausius theorem
Oh yeah Clausius, I know that( imagine Del Boy saying that), how do you apply it to roulette.
Hot numbers transferring heat to cold numbers to reach equilibrium?
Quote from: nichedelico on May 04, 09:09 AM 2020
Clausius theorem
I'm confident you're able to figure out the rest.
Clausius states;
It’s impossible to construct a device which operates in a cyclic process and transfer energy from low temperature reservoir to high temperature reservoir.
lol, yeah, creating a winning roulette system is like breaking the laws of thermodynamics - making a perpetual motion machine.
Actually it's more like astrophysics combined with cellular mitosis,, spliced with avian dna.
Don’t worry yourself it’s already been done, via magnetic monopoles. A machine that produces electricity non stop.
link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2fR-PhvY5bROcFcViOg4uUOwGZje4ooNwWJEThrpqTxVt3sDwaK8luI80&v=mHW6b1aFPfU
Joe, failed again mate
Quote from: jay on May 04, 09:55 AM 2020
Clausius states;
It’s impossible to construct a device which operates in a cyclic process and transfer energy from low temperature reservoir to high temperature reservoir.
Now realising this statement is obsolete
Watch the video above
Quote from: jay on May 04, 12:08 PM 2020Don’t worry yourself it’s already been done, via magnetic monopoles. A machine that produces electricity non stop.
Nope.
Quote from: jay on May 04, 06:19 AM 2020
It is the variance isn’t, that kills a system?
No, it's the variance that kills the casinos in the short term. In the long run, it evens out and the variance doesn't have such a big effect, hence why casinos make so much money. It's funny how people throw around the term "variance", without actually knowing what it means.
Ironically, it's variance which draws people to systems in the first place, because it gives them hope that they can win long term. They get completely fixated by it and are convinced that it's the problem, nothing to do with the house edge. ::)
If only they would learn some basic probability.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 08:31 AM 2020
Like the popup ad telling people to get my computer free and split profits?
I've explained it many many times. So have others. I keep the finer points to myself.
What good would it do for me to give away my algorithms, dopey? Anyone wanting proof can test my computers on any wheel they want.
Im not surprised. You can't even understand grade 3 math.
E=mc^2
Is that better?
It's actually just that I tell straight truth.
Now this hurts.
Don't you hate being
undervalued or even being flat out called out for being a sham? Your level of transparency should remove most doubts. But alas. People can be the worst.
I must say though, a guy with multi-millions worth in IP and multi-millions more somewhere in a haven slumming here for an HG to slip through the cracks is kind of chintzy imo.
For the clueless system players, still not understanding the odds, let me explain it to you in another way.
In order to understand how good or bad a bet is, you need to see if you make the same bet many many times, how much will you expect to win (or lose) per bet on average. This is called expected value (EV).
To calculate expected value, use this formula:
(amount won) * (probability of winning) + (amount lost) * (probability of losing)
For example, let's say that you are betting $10 on red or black on a european wheel (37 numbers) :
10 * (18/37) + (-10) * (19/37) = -0.2702702702702701
This means that on average, you would lose 27 cents per every $10 that you bet on red or black.
Over the short period of time, you may end up winning, but in the long run when the variance evens out, you will end up losing.
This is why, the only way to win in roulette, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions. When you increase the accuracy of your predictions, the odds of winning change in your favor, and then you end up winning in the long run.
Quote from: winforus on May 04, 03:04 PM 2020
No, it's the variance that kills the casinos in the short term. In the long run, it evens out and the variance doesn't have such a big effect, hence why casinos make so much money. It's funny how people throw around the term "variance", without actually knowing what it means.
Absolute rubbish, if I play 10 numbers for a cycle I should hit 10 times, but it doesn’t happen, what caused that HE?
It’s Variance.
Jay, failed again mate.
Quote from: Joe on May 04, 03:12 PM 2020
Ironically, it's variance which draws people to systems in the first place, because it gives them hope that they can win long term. They get completely fixated by it and are convinced that it's the problem, nothing to do with the house edge. ::)
If only they would learn some basic probability.
That's exactly right and it doesn't just apply to roulette, but to all games of chance in a casino.
I used to play online poker semi-professionally (over 1 million hands lifetime), and we would call those players "fish". The fish has no understanding of the odds and professional players always try to play at the tables with the most fish. When the fish would lose - they would blame it on luck and variance - not understanding that the fundamental mistakes that they do over and over again (due to not understanding odds and probability), is the reason as to why they lose.
The system players on this forum are fish :) Call them fish!
Quote from: winforus on May 04, 03:54 PM 2020
I used to play online poker semi-professionally (over 1 million hands lifetime), and we would call those players "fish". The fish has no understanding of the odds and professional players always try to play at the tables with the most fish. When the fish would lose - they would blame it on luck and variance - not understanding that the fundamental mistakes that they do over and over again (due to not understanding odds and probability), is the reason as to why they lose.
The system players on this forum are fish :) Call them fish!
You couldn’t turn Pro because you were the FISH :wink:
Quote from: jay on May 04, 03:57 PM 2020
You couldn’t turn Pro because you were the FISH :wink:
It was my only source of income while I was studying(hence semi-professionally), and afterwards I found even more profitable venture, nice try fishy :)
You’re full of fish
What r you saying, you were a SEMI-FISH, like an amphibian?
I m trier for sure Semi-fish
That’s your name from now on, Semi-Fish
Winforus-Semifish
Not sure, maybe, Smelly-Fish
Quote from: Moxy on May 04, 03:34 PM 2020Don't you hate being undervalued or even being flat out called out for being a sham?
People don't know what they don't know, so assume they know. Recognition comes from knowing in myself, and appreciation from players.
Quote from: Moxy on May 04, 03:34 PM 2020I must say though, a guy with multi-millions worth in IP and multi-millions more somewhere in a haven slumming here for an HG to slip through the cracks is kind of chintzy imo.
Not as bad as The President Of The United States ranting on twitter.
I do waste time on pointless discussions, mostly in attempt to genuinely help people understand basics. But the forum is still a valuable source to find new players. Maybe 1 in 1000 new visitors here are suited to AP / computers though.
And again I don't need the HG. I already beat almost every wheel to the point we must deliberately lose to avoid detection. But if the HG comes along, and I'm not in too deep with other ventures, I'd consider it closely - after proper proof.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 08:08 PM 2020
And again I don't need the HG. I already beat almost every wheel to the point we must deliberately lose to avoid detection. But if the HG comes along, and I'm not in too deep with other ventures, I'd consider it closely - after proper proof.
At least a mil correct?
If your HG is bet on 1m spins with a progression and end up with $1 profit, no.
If you can demonstrate a system is actually financial viable (easy for the hg), I'm flexible with pricing.
And again, I'm not particularly desperate for it.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 08:23 PM 2020
If your HG is bet on 1m spins with a progression and end up with $1 profit, no.
If you can demonstrate a system is actually financial viable (easy for the hg), I'm flexible with pricing.
And again, I'm not particularly desperate for it.
You've read my specs. The pricing is what is making you apprehensive.
But for honest context, Precog, RC, etc., does not compare in terms of (mental + physical) accessibility, convenience, expediency, undetectability, practicality, with very high win rate + every spin wagering importantly still in tact. That should be worth something.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 08:23 PM 2020
If your HG is bet on 1m spins with a progression and end up with $1 profit, no.
If you can demonstrate a system is actually financial viable (easy for the hg), I'm flexible with pricing.
And again, I'm not particularly desperate for it.
I forgot flat betting. Music to anyone's ears.
Sure but how can anyone know its not just talk?
And if you could make billions, why haven't you? And why are you here?
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 09:13 PM 2020
Sure but how can anyone know its not just talk?
And if you could make billions, why haven't you? And why are you here?
Validation + compensation from an esteemed notable such as yourself.
In return, you get unwavering nda loyalty and a exciting new avenue of application.
Potential millions can still be a viable business decision.
What irrefutable proof can you give, before payment?
And you skipped questions
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 09:41 PM 2020
What irrefutable proof can you give, before payment?
And you skipped questions
It's an algorithm. Smart individuals such as yourself will comprehend it.
I don't want to list specific applications on here for it because it will come off as being disingenuous.
Quote from: Moxy on May 04, 09:50 PM 2020It's an algorithm. Smart individuals such as yourself will comprehend it.
I'm smart enough to not pay lots of money without proper assurance. So again, what irrefutable proof can you give, before payment? "It's an algorithm" doesn't answer the question.
Quote from: Moxy on May 04, 09:50 PM 2020I don't want to list specific applications on here for it because it will come off as being disingenuous.
And this isnt an answer to my questions: And if you could make billions, why haven't you? And why are you here?
Are we just going to go in circles of avoiding questions? That usually happens if the seller is disingenuous.
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 10:14 PM 2020
I'm smart enough to not pay lots of money without proper assurance. So again, what irrefutable proof can you give, before payment? "It's an algorithm" doesn't answer the question.
And this isnt an answer to my questions: And if you could make billions, why haven't you? And why are you here?
Are we just going to go in circles of avoiding questions? That usually happens if the seller is disingenuous.
I will provide ample time, compensation, accomodation, and explanation, and testing in person when the time comes. RouletteExtreme assisted (w/ your rng instead) testing will demonstrate that it'll exceed w/l (flat betting) variance and into high positive expectancy in short order.
As I said
validation and potential millions. I can't divulge the algorithm yet just like you cant divulge yours for the RC's. You understand that.
Moxy,My feeling is you are here to get some revenge from Steve :) What you mentioned is you have algorithm. That means your system is also some static betting and its not based on physics , its based on maths.No one here given any solid system which works longer.You are waiting right time .Everyone sitting in lockdown, and eager to spend time on some valuable project.Right time. At leaset you can tell , how many numbers you playing, etc so people at least can think and get interested. For Live roulette, My view is , its all depend on Dealer.Dealer has ability to throw ball where ever he/she want. and Dealer do this based on the winning .
Quote from: Elite on May 05, 11:51 AM 2020
Moxy,My feeling is you are here to get some revenge from Steve :) What you mentioned is you have algorithm. That means your system is also some static betting and its not based on physics , its based on maths.No one here given any solid system which works longer.You are waiting right time .Everyone sitting in lockdown, and eager to spend time on some valuable project.Right time. At leaset you can tell , how many numbers you playing, etc so people at least can think and get interested. For Live roulette, My view is , its all depend on Dealer.Dealer has ability to throw ball where ever he/she want. and Dealer do this based on the winning .
What? Revenge? Maybe its a lost in translation thing if English isn't your first language but I hold him in high regard but I also don't hold back my thoughts as well on anyone since were all human beings.
You design your algorithm yourself? How much bank roll required in your gameplay . You are saying you have a sweet watermelon %uD83C%uDF49,, when you going to peel