So after 10 years of posts on this forum. What is the general consensus of what works.
Which of the following works best?
1. Repeaters
2. Random vs random
3. Martingale and other progressions
4. Sectors
5. Physics
6. Precognition
Quote from: Steve on May 08, 08:57 AM 2020
Obviously.
Are you being sarcastic or you really believe that? :)
Actually i changed my mind. Using random bets to beat random totally makes sense too. Hard to decide.
My logic is when I played pin the tail on the donkey, i got spun around a bit, and accuracy was random. But when I got spun around even more, I hit the tail, spot on. Makes perfect sense. Just like math beats a math game.
Not understand...this logic,,, explain in simple words,,, please
i agree with Steve, it's hard to decide weather repeaters or random vs random is the best one, they are both very solid.
As long as we use proper bankroll management, and ride the wave - we will only lose because of variance. Ignatus also proved it with his latest system - he achieved an 85% win rate.
Steve is trolling...
After 13 years of playing roulette, I have come to those conclusions;
1. The only thing that WE KNOW FOR SURE that will happen is that we will have at average about 12 repeaters in an 38 cyrcle (of course i have seen 15 but also i have seen 8). If we can take advantage of this with a clever MM we can have a positive outcome.
2. We cannot know when a trend will appear.
3. We cannot bredict sectors, as we cannot predict colors, dozens, columns, and anything else.
4. Physics and pregognition is a myth. Whatever positive outcome may have come out some times, is due to luck and randomness of the session.
5. Random vs random is the only way not to have a big series of loses and not to fall into gambler's fallacy.
So after all:
Bet selection: repeaters or random vs random with a soft progresion.
Quote from: Steve on May 08, 09:04 AM 2020Just like math beats a math game.
And don't forget - random has limits! :xd:
Quote from: huskerdu on May 08, 11:02 AM 2020
5. Random vs random is the only way not to have a big series of loses and not to fall into gambler's fallacy.
I have tested a lot random vs random. Coin flip versus RED,BLACK.....a Large random system of 500 coins versus RED, BLACK and so on...
and the truth is
random vs random is not better or worse than other betting systems. In long term, the results of betting random or betting with some system, are the same. And random vs random as all other systems can give a big series of loses too.In my opinion there is only one advantage by using random - no need to waste time trying to create a system with logic rules as in long term results will be the same.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 08, 08:48 AM 2020
So after 10 years of posts on this forum. What is the general consensus of what works.
Which of the following works best?
1. Repeaters
2. Random vs random
3. Martingale and other progressions
4. Sectors
5. Physics
6. Precognition
Smart progression systems is an only way how to beat house. No way to earn with fixed stake amount.
My personal choice is Betting on the Even/Odd. I took Martin Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy and I tweaked his Stops and his Targets and his Bet Selection and his Progression and am Winning 80% of the games, Winning 4 games to every Loss. The losing streak happens more with Red/Black and High/Low because of certain inconsistencies on the Wheel.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 08, 08:48 AM 2020Which of the following works best?
1. Repeaters
2. Random vs random
3. Martingale and other progressions
4. Sectors
5. Physics
6. Precognition
7. Luck
Luck works best. It can also kill methods 1 through 6 if you ignore it.
1. Repeaters
NI SE DISCUTE,
NEITHER DISCUSSED
Quote from: Taotie on May 08, 09:08 PM 2020Which of the following works best?
1. Repeaters
2. Random vs random
3. Martingale and other progressions
4. Sectors
5. Physics
6. Precognition
7. Luck
I suppose 7. Luck, could be mistaken for 2. Random v random. No doubt Luck could very easily incorporate 1. Repeaters, and if used accurately would benefit from a bit of 3. Martingale and other progressions. Inadvertently and on occasion 4. Sectors would be unavoidable, same goes for 5. Physics.
And 6. Precognition. Well that's just a fancy word for luck anyway. It's the way some folk try to attune their luck. There are other ways to be lucky.
So luck is the winner!
Casinos clearly NEVER thought of any of these.
Nobody competent has EVER did significant testing.
But we can. The casinos are screwed.
Quote from: huskerdu on May 08, 11:02 AM 2020
So after all:
Bet selection: repeaters or random vs random with a soft progresion.
To huskerdu et al,
Repeaters don't work, confirmed.
Read gamblingforums where you find that this fact is stated by the staunchest supporters of repeaters. Few months ago.
Repeaters and sleepers don't work.
I wrote a long list of systems strategies that don't work. Fact.
Read the list.
You can bang your head on the wall or learn what don't work, try something else. Help yourself without wasting your money and life.
I make this post for your(newcomers) benefit.
***because of this post Steve and the mathboys will mock my post. No response.
Cht, good if you learned something, why mock? You know it takes more balls to admit and correct mistakes than it does to fight reality.
Everyone will benefit by learning from others who already know best, but verify what they say. Don't blindly believe. People might save themselves 10 years.
Then maybe in your lifetime people can learn something NEW instead of repeating same mistakes.
Quote from: Steve on May 09, 06:47 AM 2020Then maybe in your lifetime people can learn something NEW instead of repeating same mistakes.
No need to learn something new, just learn something OLD which works. ;D
Quote from: Joe on May 09, 07:50 AM 2020
No need to learn something new, just learn something OLD which works.
Is there any? 😀
Sure, traditional AP works. :thumbsup:
Have you posted this method anywhere on this forum yet?
Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 08, 07:30 PM 2020
My personal choice is Betting on the Even/Odd. I took Martin Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy and I tweaked his Stops and his Targets and his Bet Selection and his Progression and am Winning 80% of the games, Winning 4 games to every Loss. The losing streak happens more with Red/Black and High/Low because of certain inconsistencies on the Wheel.
Quote from: cht on May 09, 06:41 AM 2020
To huskerdu et al,
Repeaters don't work, confirmed.
Read gamblingforums where you find that this fact is stated by the staunchest supporters of repeaters. Few months ago.
Repeaters and sleepers don't work.
I wrote a long list of systems strategies that don't work. Fact.
Read the list.
You can bang your head on the wall or learn what don't work, try something else. Help yourself without wasting your money and life.
I make this post for your(newcomers) benefit.
***because of this post Steve and the mathboys will mock my post. No response.
Ok! Good! So, in this case it's final: no strategy/system works. We cleared that out! That leaves me with a question: why are we all still here then? Because, from what I see, the only thing that works is Steve's computers (Steve, if you're listing your company, let me know. I wanna buy shares).
Quote from: Richard Meisel on May 08, 07:30 PM 2020My personal choice is Betting on the Even/Odd. I took Martin Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy and I tweaked his Stops and his Targets and his Bet Selection and his Progression and am Winning 80% of the games,
I have read Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy. it isn't any special method. Actually, he has copied this system from the the "so called "Author's system" from the book "Monte Carlo anecdotes and systems of play" with a tweak on the progresion. He bets alternatevelly on the same and on th change of previous color. But if he fall on a couple of double colors (whixh is very comon) it is a disaster. The tweak to the progression is that instead of using 1-2-3-6 (that the authentic system uses), he uses a a modified fibannoci 5,8,13,20,35,50,75,100
I have played in the opast this system, didn't work
I don't know what tweaks have you mad and you say that you have such positive results
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 09, 04:30 PM 2020
Ok! Good! So, in this case it's final: no strategy/system works. We cleared that out! That leaves me with a question: why are we all still here then? Because, from what I see, the only thing that works is Steve's computers (Steve, if you're listing your company, let me know. I wanna buy shares).
For various reasons, like interacting with others who have the same interest, learning new things, helping out others who have questions, and many are hoping that one day somebody will actually post a consistent winner.
There are many different ways to study roulette and there are many different approaches that try to solve the problem of roulette. You don't even have to come up with all kind of systems and progressions to work on a wining method, and you certainly don't need to test millions of spins. The first step is to understand why all systems lose and why it is mathematically impossible(?) to beat the house edge. Then you have to think about possible ways to invalidate some of the facts related to random outcomes that make all systems lose. Of course 99% of the people would say that is impossible, because they cannot think outside the box, and they are unable to change their mindset. It is actually not something that can be easily done. It took me years to understand many of the hints and clues that have been posted on the forum, and I still don't have a winning system. But I know I'm getting there.
Great thread!
After 10 years I still dont know but roulette intrigues me, I think its possible to have a winning method.
I think I am going to start playing LIVE, playing 100 different methods for only X amount of sessions
and keep increasing my betting units exponentially.
I think Ignatius has posted that many winning methods
at least for the amount of times he tested them.........
But what do I know : )
Everyone's two best options are either try something new, or something we already know works. Stop wasting time on shit like repeaters.
Any working method must have cause and effect, ie a reason why your predictions are better than random. People like turbo have misled others but we all have our own brains.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 09, 04:30 PM 2020
Ok! Good! So, in this case it's final: no strategy/system works. We cleared that out! That leaves me with a question: why are we all still here then? Because, from what I see, the only thing that works is Steve's computers (Steve, if you're listing your company, let me know. I wanna buy shares).
What works is traditional AP (which computers are based on) and precogniton.
Tradtional ap includes visual ballistics, dealer’s signature, wheel bias, etc. They all work, but without computers edge is smaller and requires more work.
Before ever learning or reading about roulette strategy, and not even knowing that computer exists - I played for 8 months by tracking the dealers and the spin outcomes - where on the wheel they landed. I was using dealer’s signature without even knowing and ended up being up lifetime almost 1000 units ( was betting the minimum â,¬1 bets). I knew already logically and intuively that the only way to beat the math was to increase the accuracy of predictions and only slightly - to beat the edge.
Thanks to this forum, I discovered precogniton and can say 100% from direct experience that it works - but requires practice just like any skill. Steve himself said it himself and think’s that it’s the future of AP.
My advice to everyone is the same as Steve’s and Joe’s - stop wasting your time on systems and stupid things which don’t work and instead focus on what we know already works or look for new ways - like precogniton for example.
If everyone would come to this realization - we would all benefit from it and would have more winning players and methods developed in a much shorter time period.
If you have been on this forum a long time and not completely new to roulette - there is no excuse for you to continue deluding yourself and others.
Quote from: huskerdu on May 09, 05:02 PM 2020
I have read Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy. it isn't any special method. Actually, he has copied this system from the the "so called "Author's system" from the book "Monte Carlo anecdotes and systems of play" with a tweak on the progresion. He bets alternatevelly on the same and on th change of previous color. But if he fall on a couple of double colors (whixh is very comon) it is a disaster. The tweak to the progression is that instead of using 1-2-3-6 (that the authentic system uses), he uses a a modified fibannoci 5,8,13,20,35,50,75,100
I have played in the opast this system, didn't work
I don't know what tweaks have you mad and you say that you have such positive results
My system is quite different, but I based it on his system. Tweaking his Stops and Targets helped a lot. The Bet Selection is, of course, the most important. I use a few but the most successful for me is Loss 1 = Change, Loss 2 = Change, Loss 3 = Change, Loss 4 = Same, Loss 5 = Change, Loss 6 = Change, etc. The losing streak with the Even/Odd bets are EOEOO or OEOEE which occur a lot less than RBRBB, BRBRR, and HLHLL, LHLHH because of their positions on the wheel. Now I know that it can be proven that this is a losing system in the LONG run. It just hasn't happened to me yet. My Stops and Targets have protected me. I like Giz's Reading Randomness system. Even an educated guess is still a guess. It's hard to find a sure proof system to beat Roulette that doesn't involve a guess.
Quote from: ati on May 09, 05:29 PM 2020
For various reasons, like interacting with others who have the same interest, learning new things, helping out others who have questions, and many are hoping that one day somebody will actually post a consistent winner.
There are many different ways to study roulette and there are many different approaches that try to solve the problem of roulette. You don't even have to come up with all kind of systems and progressions to work on a wining method, and you certainly don't need to test millions of spins. The first step is to understand why all systems lose and why it is mathematically impossible(?) to beat the house edge. Then you have to think about possible ways to invalidate some of the facts related to random outcomes that make all systems lose. Of course 99% of the people would say that is impossible, because they cannot think outside the box, and they are unable to change their mindset. It is actually not something that can be easily done. It took me years to understand many of the hints and clues that have been posted on the forum, and I still don't have a winning system. But I know I'm getting there.
To highlight 2 very important points that's missing with ALL systems strategy,
1. There must be a reason WHY the systems strategy work. Without this reason WHY you can be sure that it fails. Base it on some science or math fact. Hypothetically extrapolate this law or principle onto roulette spins. Probe test if this extrapolated hypothesis holds up. If yes then do a big live data test to confirm it.
2. As Ati says, find out how and why your systems model fail. Mindless testing will bring about no gain. Look at the details of actual permutations of live wheel and prng to determine the nature of the spins especially the death roll sequence. It requires serious hard work and brains.
You hv no chance to design a systems model based on what's posted on forums. That's the truth that a few of us who worked together can confirm with no reservation. We've done that 24/7 for more than a year, won the t-shirt. Not a mistake, rather a great get together learning opportunity pitting few of the best minds in roulette - it's a great honor and pleasure.
I hv shown a actual flatbet game to 4 members without explanation - I hv posted the basis. As Ati says hoping for someone to post a consistent winner. I might do it when the programmer confirms it's validity, no promises. Roulette is just fun and entertainment to me and not income or wealth creation. 6th is your other best bet.
AP and RC works due to application of physics principles when applied can calculate to determine the location of the spin with increase accuracy of statistical significance. PROVIDED the physics differential equations are applied in the process.
Systems model requires to determine IF Condition A happens more often than condition B in a statistically consistent and significant level. Prove that this exist in roulette spins.
Quote from: Joe on May 09, 12:39 PM 2020
Sure, traditional AP works. :thumbsup:
When the AP discussion focus on the actual application of physics differential equations, I bet many will be interested.
Right now we read about crude VB, DS nonsensical shit.
Why don't you start a thread for proper discussion about
physics AP ?
Id be happy to, and I'm sure a few would like to contribute.
But there is a limit. All most people would realistically share is whats already common knowledge, although it's still much more than average members know.
I'll get something started probably this week like a video course.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 09, 04:30 PM 2020
That leaves me with a question: why are we all still here then?
Because system junkies never learn from the mistakes of others. They want to experience losing for themselves.
The rest of us keep warning them.
There are varied reasons. I think most people just want to make effortless money.
Sorry, you won't find it on any forum. If theres a way, nobody would share it. Wake up.
But you can realistically at least find free viable ways to subsidize your existing income... if and when you find suitable conditions. No problem I'll explain some ways free. Ill make more videos soon.
I mean, you can wear a hidden camera and beat almost every wheel and not pay anything unless you profit. Win so easily that you must intentionally lose sometimes to avoid detection.
Still, its too much hard work for some people. The only thing they'll accept is unlimited money, no work.
Believe it though, if you had ample money, you'll eventually see money is not what you really wanted.
We are all at different stages.
What you really want is time and freedom. They're actually free, if you make the right choices.
If your goal is a Lamborghini, its a nice car. But you've got a while to go (learning).
I'm trying to sell my Lamborghini if anyone's interested..
Go easy on the ayahuasca.
Hidden camera wins 🤫
Casinos already know about it. They just minimize their losses by keeping an eye out. They closer bets earlier if they suspect players. So the idea is win discretely. Avoid detection.
Quote from: Steve on May 10, 07:56 AM 2020
Sorry, you won't find it on any forum. If theres a way, nobody would share it. Wake up.
I had this intention to post it on your forum.
I hv revealed a watered down flatbet games to 4 members.
You made me rethink.
Quote from: cht on May 10, 11:01 PM 2020
I had this intention to post it on your forum.
I hv revealed a watered down flatbet games to 4 members.
You made me rethink.
So you have the holy grail?
Many times i thought i had the hg, until i tested more, or found the error in calculations.
Heading....
10 years on. What is the conclusion? What wins?
Can someone answer this?
How long does it take to become a lawyer or a doctor? What do they do to get there? What everyone here wants is something to be handed on a platter. Sorry, that will not happen.
We have always said practice, practice, and practice. Even Gizmo has said the same thing with his software and explanation.
However, any gambler all they want to do is get rich overnight. Sorry, that will not happen by gambling. You have a better chance of robbing the bank now. Considering we can go to the teller wearing a mask.:P
The answers:
What DOESN'T work:
:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
What DOES work (that we know of so far):
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/top-systems/
What might be the next big thing:
It's up for debate. There are many more potential options. I personally think precognition and related phenomena.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=104.0
Everyone's focus should be either with what we already know works, or something new. NOT something we already know doesn't work.
It sounds logical, right? But almost every system here is repeating mistakes everyone should know don't work. And when more experienced players explain the mistake, you have trolls, babies and scammers cry about it like its some conspiracy.
Quote from: Steve on May 13, 11:11 PM 2020
The answers:
What DOESN'T work:
:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
What DOES work (that we know of so far):
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/top-systems/
What might be the next big thing:
It's up for debate. There are many more potential options. I personally think precognition and related phenomena.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=104.0
Everyone's focus should be either with what we already know works, or something new. NOT something we already know doesn't work.
It sounds logical, right? But almost every system here is repeating mistakes everyone should know don't work. And when more experienced players explain the mistake, you have trolls, babies and scammers cry about it like its some conspiracy.
Sent you a PM.
Quote from: Steve on May 13, 11:11 PM 2020
The answers:
What DOESN'T work:
:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
What DOES work (that we know of so far):
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/top-systems/
What might be the next big thing:
It's up for debate. There are many more potential options. I personally think precognition and related phenomena.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=104.0
Everyone's focus should be either with what we already know works, or something new. NOT something we already know doesn't work.
It sounds logical, right? But almost every system here is repeating mistakes everyone should know don't work. And when more experienced players explain the mistake, you have trolls, babies and scammers cry about it like its some conspiracy.
Completely agree.
Unfortunately they don't seem to like common sense.
You keep warning them but they don't seem to care.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 14, 08:55 AM 2020Unfortunately they don't seem to like common sense.
Hi precoxman,
unfortunately you know nothing about common sense! (RTM as a force :twisted:)
Have a nice time as Steve's parrot.
Quote from: Herby on May 14, 01:15 PM 2020
Hi precoxman,
unfortunately you know nothing about common sense! (RTM as a force :twisted:)
Have a nice time as Steve's parrot.
Steve's parrot :lol:
I don't know why he does it, he's behavior is totally the opposite of what should come with the practices he advocates. Such as a peaceful mind, calmness, positive attitude, etc. It looks more like he gets drunk every other day, comes online and rains on everyone's parade.
Some people enjoy creating and discussing losing systems. Get over it. There are false hopes, but no one is betting their life savings on any of these systems. (hopefully ;) )
Maybe people should start using the System Players Only section of the forum, where "you can discuss systems in peace without anyone explaining why your ideas wont work"
***System Players Only (no advantage play)
Here you can discuss systems in peace without anyone explaining why your ideas wont work (such as "math guys" or "advantage players"). You need special permissions to post here. Contact admin (Steve) if you want access. Moderators cannot give you access. ***
:yawn: >:(
Steve, I think you should consider updating the forum sections and rules. If players want to discuss systems, all system discussions should go into that section.
Main Roulette Board and General Advice - can be renamed/moved, etc, but should be free of the systems. That way less new players would be misled, and the forum can be focused on what works and new ideas.
At this point, people are beating a dead horse, and those of us that know that the systems don't work, are getting sick of it.
Quote from: ati on May 14, 04:07 PM 2020
Some people enjoy creating and discussing losing systems. Get over it. There are false hopes, but no one is betting their life savings on any of these systems. (hopefully ;) )
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Lots of people have lost lots of money on systems, some even their life savings, weather you want to believe it or not. I agree with precogmiles, that at this point it is getting ridiculous.
Quote from: Herby on May 14, 01:15 PM 2020
Hi precoxman,
unfortunately you know nothing about common sense! (RTM as a force :twisted:)
Have a nice time as Steve's parrot.
You've been playing roulette for over 10 years and you still don't know how to win. Pathetic, get that math book out of you @#@# throw it away.
You can't beat roulette using mathematics!
Quote from: ati on May 14, 04:07 PM 2020
I don't know why he does it, he's behavior is totally the opposite of what should come with the practices he advocates. Such as a peaceful mind, calmness, positive attitude, etc. It looks more like he gets drunk every other day, comes online and rains on everyone's parade.
Some people enjoy creating and discussing losing systems. Get over it. There are false hopes, but no one is betting their life savings on any of these systems. (hopefully ;) )
Maybe people should start using the System Players Only section of the forum, where "you can discuss systems in peace without anyone explaining why your ideas wont work"
Giving even 1 dime to the casino cartel is a mistake.
Go and give your money to charity if you are that desperate to give money away at least that will be something beneficial to humanity.
Anyone still playing systems is either naive or a moron.
You mistake my concern and care for being 'drunk' that shows the level of intelligence on this forum.
Casinos are a business, they know systems don't work that is why they promote them on their blogs.
This is just plain common sense.
Quote from: winforus on May 14, 04:50 PM 2020
Lots of people have lost lots of money on systems, some even their life savings, weather you want to believe it or not. I agree with precogmiles, that at this point it is getting ridiculous.
100% agree.
Anyone promoting or even worse selling a system needs to be confronted and refuted. They pray on the weak minded, desperate or naive new players.
In fact this is my last post on this forum.
Enjoy another 10 years of failed systems.
Bye and good luck.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 14, 08:49 PM 2020
In fact this is my last post on this forum.
Bye and good luck.
Good Post. :thumbsup:
On the way out take winforus with you to the other forum.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 14, 08:32 PM 2020Anyone still playing systems is either naive or a moron.
Er... what about if they just enjoy making and using systems? I'm not endorsing the idea that there are winning systems, but roulette is supposed to be a form of entertainment (that's what the casinos tell us anyway).
ATI is right; why does it bother you so much? Do your precog thing and let system players use systems. No need to be a troll.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 14, 08:49 PM 2020In fact this is my last post on this forum.
Hoo-f*cken-ray for that!
Hasta la vista.....
It's probably the fourth time he said that, so I'm sure he will be back. :) And there is nothing wrong with him posting, I even believe in what he does. But personal opinions could be communicated in a more civilized manner. And maybe less frequently.
Most people aren't wasting their life searching for the impossible. There are always new members who start from the beginning. Every 3 years or so there is a new generation of active posters. Let them have their time.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 08, 08:48 AM 2020
So after 10 years of posts on this forum. What is the general consensus of what works.
Which of the following works best?
1. Repeaters
2. Random vs random
3. Martingale and other progressions
4. Sectors
5. Physics
6. Precognition
Nothing works for free. â˜ï¸
I would have to say a positive
progression like Oscar's Grind on Even Chances.
You have say 11 outcomes look for seven Odd, four even
(or eight Even, three Odd) and bet the majority until in profit.
Quote from: cht on May 09, 10:52 PM 2020
To highlight 2 very important points that's missing with ALL systems strategy,
1. There must be a reason WHY the systems strategy work. Without this reason WHY you can be sure that it fails. Base it on some science or math fact. Hypothetically extrapolate this law or principle onto roulette spins. Probe test if this extrapolated hypothesis holds up. If yes then do a big live data test to confirm it.
2. As Ati says, find out how and why your systems model fail. Mindless testing will bring about no gain. Look at the details of actual permutations of live wheel and prng to determine the nature of the spins especially the death roll sequence. It requires serious hard work and brains.
You hv no chance to design a systems model based on what's posted on forums. That's the truth that a few of us who worked together can confirm with no reservation. We've done that 24/7 for more than a year, won the t-shirt. Not a mistake, rather a great get together learning opportunity pitting few of the best minds in roulette - it's a great honor and pleasure.
I hv shown a actual flatbet game to 4 members without explanation - I hv posted the basis. As Ati says hoping for someone to post a consistent winner. I might do it when the programmer confirms it's validity, no promises. Roulette is just fun and entertainment to me and not income or wealth creation. 6th is your other best bet.
AP and RC works due to application of physics principles when applied can calculate to determine the location of the spin with increase accuracy of statistical significance. PROVIDED the physics differential equations are applied in the process.
Systems model requires to determine IF Condition A happens more often than condition B in a statistically consistent and significant level. Prove that this exist in roulette spins.
Follow up to what I hv shown other members previously, this is a longer 1000spins flatbet session and the end result of a positive edge systems bet shows the same gradual upward graph. The longer you play the more you win. Since it's flatbet there's no exposure to risk of ruin from the roll from hell.
Quote from: cht on May 16, 07:18 AM 2020
Follow up to what I hv shown other members previously, this is a longer 1000spins flatbet session and the end result of a positive edge systems bet shows the same gradual upward graph. The longer you play the more you win. Since it's flatbet there's no exposure to risk of ruin from the roll from hell.
Still waiting on that private message ;) very curious in what you are showing and nobody can figure out.
What principles do you use? What users have brought you to this winning system?
"Follow up to what I hv shown other members previously, ..."
well, I'd love to belong to them too, still working on 6th's and Ricky's ideas without killing them with questions I guess this could help me a lot.
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Joe on May 15, 04:31 AM 2020
Er... what about if they just enjoy making and using systems? I'm not endorsing the idea that there are winning systems, but roulette is supposed to be a form of entertainment (that's what the casinos tell us anyway).
ATI is right; why does it bother you so much? Do your precog thing and let system players use systems. No need to be a troll.
I disagree - majority of the players using the systems don't use them for "enjoyment", but because they deeply believe that they can win with them and get rich (potentially being the HG).
Have you ever seen a system player on this forum - admitting that the systems won't win them money in the long run, and there is no HG - but they still want to use them just for fun?
If you want to really have some fun, entertain this idea - imagine how many system players are lifetime losing players on here, and how much they have lost. Then take that number, and see how many of those are still believing that they will eventually find a winning system, while continuing to lose or further waste time.
I believe if we had a poll, and everyone answered it honestly, the numbers would be astounding.
There is no problem, if a player understands basic roulette fundamentals, and after that, still wants to use systems just for fun. The problem, lies in ignorance, and the fact that many of them are denying that 1+1=2. If you go deeper, then you will see all systems are built on the ignorance of not realizing that 1+1 = 2.
The problem is in my view asking the right questions..
Who is to say that the mathematical model is correct, and that chances are equally distributed?
Why is nobody questioning the premises of this game ? Are you( are we ) 100% certain that the probability of red and black are 50/50?!
Take a quantum microscope and zoom in your hand. Tell me how does that translate to an uniform field. How is that order/ chaos?.
When taking up this titanic task, of figuring out roulette, what else are we taking as granted?
What is the big elephant in the room? For sure it has nothing to do with House edge, variance or any other pretty boxes ticked off in the history of the Internet roulette forums..
Quote from: CarpeDiem on May 16, 11:45 AM 2020
The problem is in my view asking the right questions..
Who is to say that the mathematical model is correct, and that chances are equally distributed?
Why is nobody questioning the premises of this game ? Are you( are we ) 100% certain that the probability of red and black are 50/50?!
Take a quantum microscope and zoom in your hand. Tell me how does that translate to an uniform field. How is that order/ chaos?.
When taking up this titanic task, of figuring out roulette, what else are we taking as granted?
What is the big elephant in the room? For sure it has nothing to do with House edge, variance or any other pretty boxes ticked off in the history of the Internet roulette forums..
What you are taking for granted, is the following:
1) What has already been proven to work - this is called advantage play. Scroll up and find the post with the link.
2) What has already been proven to not work - systems.
3) What has shown to have huge potential to work - but needs further testing (for example precognition).
The probability is distributed evenly over time in an RNG game, but not with a real wheel, that has defects. This is why physics work.
You are not appreciating all the time, and effort that people put into discovering the methods that WORK. You have it available right in front of you - but you take it for granted. Why do you take it for granted? Probably due to human psychology - we appreciate something a lot more when we have to work for it.
You can learn either from your mistakes or from the mistakes of others, the choice is yours. This is the key not just to roulette, but to all aspects of life.
Hi
Quantum computers, psychic powers, voodoo, systems/ pseudo systems, tarot reading ASIDE, what are we missing?
Your opinion is reductively incorrect. On the higher planes and on the infinitesimal ones, rules are not set in stone.
Einstein and other psysicists in the past had three ingredients: their brain capacity, a pencil and a piece of paper.
They wrote down on a paper the math equations that lead to the until recent times Theorems of black holes. Decades after their death, they stood corrected.
Figuring out randomness with pen and paper has been done in the past, albeit by specific individuals.
So figure this out, Failure and Success are intrinsically connected. An electron circles in an non linear equation around the atom.
There is no infinite expansion and infinite contraction. Would it then be accurate to say that everything around us expands and contracts, just as any life form?
Or does it expand at infinity?
If you those random numbers
10101101111001011101011110
Rather than 1 and 0, what is there to say about that number cycle?
Math translates to geometry. Geometry follows order. But is our universe chaos or order?
Apples and Oranges. Read again what I wrote and try to learn something.
If you don't want to lose and waste your time for 10 more years - I suggest to quit the mental masturbation, and learn something from people that clearly know more than you about Roulette.
Quote from: winforus on May 16, 12:51 PM 2020
Apples and Oranges. Read again what I wrote and try to learn something.
If you don't want to lose and waste your time for 10 more years - I suggest to quit the mental masturbation, and learn something from people that clearly know more than you about Roulette.
You are funny. Well no, not really. Keep your "winning" methods to yourself and try to educate yourself a priori. Fighting ignorance seems an impossible task in your case, but do try. Who knows? In one billion eons you may come to this thread and understand something. Until then, choose Apple. They make better computers.
Hi!
One question:
Have you ever seen 50 spins without a number to be repeated 3 times?
So in the last 50 to have only sleepers, numbers which appear 1 time and doubles.
Thank you
Quote from: RayManZ on May 16, 08:38 AM 2020
Still waiting on that private message ;) very curious in what you are showing and nobody can figure out.
What principles do you use? What users have brought you to this winning system?
Watch this video(thanks CP) carefully, explains the 2LoTD principle.
link:s://youtu.be/Iwmb1p25ws4
It moves from orderliness(separate) towards disorder(mix). The stats of each state is the same. The microstate count of mix is far more than separate that makes the difference. The win occurs naturally without any prediction. Figure out the rest.
Cheers
CHT
Quote from: CarpeDiem on May 16, 11:45 AM 2020
The problem is in my view asking the right questions..
Who is to say that the mathematical model is correct, and that chances are equally distributed?
Why is nobody questioning the premises of this game ? Are you( are we ) 100% certain that the probability of red and black are 50/50?!
Take a quantum microscope and zoom in your hand. Tell me how does that translate to an uniform field. How is that order/ chaos?.
What is the big elephant in the room? For sure it has nothing to do with House edge, variance or any other pretty boxes ticked off in the history of the Internet roulette forums..
Great posts CarpeDiem! - enlightening posts :thumbsup:
....that’s if peeps are awake to them
Precog n Winforus - wonders me why you two are so fixated on protecting the newbies/trolls/system junkies from loosing their shirt/pants and something else :twisted:
Never have intended to sell (or mislead) anything on here but did want to reiterate what ATI has respectfully put across in just about all his posts of late: just because you, Winforus & all the Roulette Gurus (in 10+ yrs of research) haven't figured it out or come across something substantial doesn't mean that it isn't there - naive or less travelled to think there are only a few confined conventional ways to an end goal
The observer defines the game!
-best-
Quote from: CarpeDiem on May 16, 12:41 PM 2020Failure and Success are intrinsically connected
So basically Failure is a part of Success and vica verca....
If we split the alphabet into 2 EC's and use the first half as Low and the last 13 as high we get....
Failure - LLLLHHL
Success - HHLLLHH
But of course we don't have to label them High or Low we could call them 1 or 0
This gives us...
Failure -1111001
Success - 0011100
Now looking at the sequence
10101101111001011101011110
I see Failure quiet obviously...
I see Success starting on the Even integers, and the 2 overlapping, only to end in Failure lol
Probably way off the mark...
Just looking at sh*t differently
Quote from: cht on May 16, 05:38 PM 2020
Watch this video(thanks CP) carefully, explains the 2LoTD principle.
link:s://youtu.be/Iwmb1p25ws4
It moves from orderliness(separate) towards disorder(mix). The stats of each state is the same. The microstate count of mix is far more than separate that makes the difference. The win occurs naturally without any prediction. Figure out the rest.
Cheers
CHT
Wow really cool stuff. I can understand that this can lead to a winning system.
So we just need to find a macrostate and a microstate for roulette. As im completely brainwashed by rrbb and priyanka im instantly thinking in cycles and all that other stuff. Maybe this is the missing piece to get more apples than pears.
Online Roulette>How to win
1-computer fails as no late betting
2-Visual Ballistic fails , as no late betting,
3-Repeaters fails because of random ranges of repeater
..
Conclusion:
If someone watching roulette for an hour and he cannot predict ball fall then his every system will fail..
Quote from: RayManZ on May 17, 08:47 AM 2020find a macrostate and a microstate for roulette
e.g. 37 spins: 12 Unhit, 15 single, 8 1-repeater, 2 2-repeater is a macrostate
amount of all possible realisations of {12 Unhit, 15 single, 8 1-repeater, 2 2-repeater} are the microstates
How many microstates are possible ? :wink:
Quote from: Herby on May 19, 01:59 PM 2020
e.g. 37 spins: 12 Unhit, 15 single, 8 1-repeater, 2 2-repeater is a macrostate
amount of all possible realisations of {12 Unhit, 15 single, 8 1-repeater, 2 2-repeater} are the microstates
How many microstates are possible ? :wink:
A lot! All of them! :lol:
Just watch the repeats in blocks of 10 spins; over 40 spins you usually see them as 1-3-5-7 and 30 repeats by spin60.
know when to bet for a repeat and the other way. Watch the General's laughable TROT. But Winkel know's the TROT, Shame the thick General can't do it.
Quote from: Herby on May 19, 01:59 PM 2020
e.g. 37 spins: 12 Unhit, 15 single, 8 1-repeater, 2 2-repeater is a macrostate
amount of all possible realisations of {12 Unhit, 15 single, 8 1-repeater, 2 2-repeater} are the microstates
How many microstates are possible ? :wink:
This is very usefull if you use the AYK tracker and read with 6th told... Rolling basis.
Im not sure if it would be working but i have some ideas now. Thanks!
Quote from: winforus on May 16, 11:17 AM 2020I disagree - majority of the players using the systems don't use them for "enjoyment", but because they deeply believe that they can win with them and get rich (potentially being the HG).
That's maybe true, but I think the people who post on the forum feel passionate about the game and there is a certain thrill that comes with the hope of hitting the jackpot. In our case finding a HG.
More advanced "players" know that finding it by chance or trial and error is impossible. I used quotation mark, because I believe many system "players" rarely ever play actual roulette for real money.
So some players like myself go deeper and investigate if it's possible to disprove or go around some facts that make all systems lose.
It's not about getting rich overnight anymore, it's more about the intellectual challenge. Of course winning money is an important driving force, but honestly I don't even know what I would do if one morning I woke up having a HG in my "pocket".
Quote from: winforus on May 16, 11:17 AM 2020If you go deeper, then you will see all systems are built on the ignorance of not realizing that 1+1 = 2.
You have taken a very important step in the right direction, you have created an outcome that is not independent of other elements. :lol: :twisted:
I find it hard to believe that anyone who regularly plays does it for fun.
It's not fun to lose money.
Anyone who says otherwise is probably in denial with a gambling problem.
I played 14 sessions(14 deposit, 50 mostly and max deposit 100) and able to make 600 units.(playing around 1h to 1:30 h). I loose some sessions also . just to share my experience here.
1- Build your game play slowly.putting small bets will make familiarize with the current wheel situation
2-try to analyze each aspect, including dealer signature, patterns, repeaters,continuously,
3- what map is building in your mind play accordingly
4-Must have knowledge of repeaters, dealer signature,
5- try to predict roulette sectors during game play , seeing the speed of ball, wheel etc
6-once map is developed and some numbers are more clear to come. have to get advantage of increasing bets that time.
7-what if nothing working, accept loss and quit,
8- play with free and fresh mind, no stress, or hurry so have enough time to analyze wheel ,,
9-Never waste a single chips if its more than target amount.. put each unit, based on some reason, not based on luck.
11. build your bankroll even its one unit profit. example, if RED cherries is appearing, why not put a unit to get one unit.
12.If game is tough..long time ups and down , come out even have small profit or have small loss. instead of loosing all
13 After each game analyse what worked or what make you failed...
14. when to quit is important,better to have target, so if near by target, play small games to get that , instead of commong back from target to 0
15. practice your game play with RX on live dealers.
Just my thoughts... which i used .
Judging by the reason activity on the forum it seems like it will be another 10 years of failed systems.
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 15, 03:39 PM 2020Judging by the reason activity on the forum it seems like it will be another 10 years of failed systems.
Nope. You're wrong. It will be much, much longer than 10 years.
Actually, these roulette forums are dying. The bogus systems will last until the death of roulette forums happens.
Quote from: pepper on Sep 17, 08:47 PM 2020Actually, these roulette forums are dying.
It would seem so. The other two forums have threads exploring martingales and repeaters, in 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 18, 10:59 AM 2020
It would seem so. The other two forums have threads exploring martingales and repeaters, in 2020
so you smart-ass.... you ever figured, Roulette was for Fun?? Roulette is NOT a "business" and FORGET about the f*cking HOLY GRAIL that you all stupid mother f*ckers believe....im sick of this attitude...now, do you like destory the little creative spirit that exist, sure?... god damn you a*sses all of you.. :/
Do you accept donations? 🤣
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 18, 12:53 PM 2020so you smart-ass.... you ever figured, Roulette was for Fun?? Roulette is NOT a "business" and FORGET about the f*cking HOLY GRAIL that you all stupid mother f*ckers believe....im sick of this attitude...now, do you like destory the little creative spirit that exist, sure?... god damn you a*sses all of you.. :/
Disappointed to see this post Ignatus. Tell me you're not serious.
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 18, 12:53 PM 2020
so you smart-ass.... you ever figured, Roulette was for Fun?? Roulette is NOT a "business" and FORGET about the f*cking HOLY GRAIL that you all stupid mother f*ckers believe....im sick of this attitude...now, do you like destory the little creative spirit that exist, sure?... god damn you a*sses all of you.. :/
So losing is fun for you?
Have you considered spending your time on coding something useful rather than on countless of losing systems?
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 18, 12:53 PM 2020Roulette was for Fun??
There is nothing fun about creating losing systems. This is a lame defensive/offensive/excuse.
In fact it is the opposite of fun. If anything it is like a disease of the mind.
Quote from: pepper on Sep 19, 08:38 PM 2020
There is nothing fun about creating losing systems. This is a lame defensive/offensive/excuse.
In fact it is the opposite of fun. If anything it is like a disease of the mind.
Again, i tell you you stupid smart-ass mother f**.... FORGET about "The Holy Grail".. i have created a millions of winning systems SHORT TERM. But? problem is Everybody wants the HOLY GRAIL. YET The Holy Grail doesnt exist. Atleast you will not find it in your life-time, not with that attitude. WHY? Because to find a "decent, winning system" (SHORT TERM) you need to also create a ZILLIONS OF LOSING SYSTEMS. And? with your sucking attitude you will Neither find a "decent winning system" (Short Term) NOR will you find the so called "HOLY GRAIL" BECAUSE of your bad attitude, and your unwillingsness, to accept your so called "creative spirit" (with its failures,and its success) THAT is my point. So? F*CK OFF you ALL "oh you create losing systems" .... Get Real ffs? as i said you will find NOTHING with that kind of attitude......
I agree with you Ignatus
Some people do Sudoku. Others crossword puzzles. Others play chess.
A famous chess player, Dr Tarrasch, once said, " Chess, like music, has the power to make one happy."
I think that is true of any hobby.
Quote from: Badger on Sep 20, 05:26 AM 2020I agree with you Ignatus
Some people do Sudoku. Others crossword puzzles. Others play chess.
A famous chess player, Dr Tarrasch, once said, " Chess, like music, has the power to make one happy."
I think that is true of any hobby.
Well said Badger. I agree 100%.
Anyway if you don't create a lot of losing systems how would you
recognize the HG if you found it?
Quote from: Ross on Sep 20, 06:53 AM 2020
Well said Badger. I agree 100%.
Anyway if you don't create a lot of losing systems how would you
recognize the HG if you found it?
Thank you, for understanding me now... i wish "people" would dare to share what their ideas or what they are working on atm, this is what the forum is about right?, sharing ideas? (but for me) as you may know i like more to test/invent systems more than "playing for real" (but that is another story):S anyway... cheers
Quote from: pepper on Sep 19, 08:38 PM 2020There is nothing fun about creating losing systems. This is a lame defensive/offensive/excuse.
In fact it is the opposite of fun. If anything it is like a disease of the mind.
Ignatius, are you really accepting donations for systems that lose as much as random betting? No. I believe you believe that you may have found a winning system when you accept donations. Why would anyone give you money when it is more fun for them to create their own way of losing money?
I guess I could be wrong about creating losing systems for fun as a hobby. I just find it hard to believe it is fun, b/c you get this excited feeling in you when your system is working. There is at least a part of you that gets excited to think that you could have found a long term winner. Then you get disappointed when it fails.
Quote from: precogmiles on May 08, 08:48 AM 2020Repeaters
They work. Any one needs a proof I can show profit after any 100 spins and we can do a open challenge. May be on Steve’s roulette simulator. I don’t have time to play millions of spins. But I can prove it for anyone for a 100 spin on any forum. They work.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Sep 20, 04:01 PM 2020They work. Any one needs a proof I can show profit after any 100 spins and we can do a open challenge. May be on Steve’s roulette simulator. I don’t have time to play millions of spins. But I can prove it for anyone for a 100 spin on any forum. They work.
The roulette wheel has no memory. There is no such thing as patterns or repeaters. This way of thinking is idiotic.
Quote from: pepper on Sep 20, 07:28 PM 2020The roulette wheel has no memory. There is no such thing as patterns or repeaters. This way of thinking is idiotic.
You are spot on and no questions asked on the memory. However there are patterns and repeaters. It is a fact that there are patterns and repeaters, as it is simple probability.
Coming to idiotic, am claiming it can be used to win and am ready to prove it as well. Are you ready to see the proof? Can we agree a time to get on to some roulette simulator or a online casino where I can get you in profit every time within 100 spins?
I want to see it, can I?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Sep 21, 07:26 AM 2020You are spot on and no questions asked on the memory. However there are patterns and repeaters. It is a fact that there are patterns and repeaters, as it is simple probability.
Coming to idiotic, am claiming it can be used to win and am ready to prove it as well. Are you ready to see the proof? Can we agree a time to get on to some roulette simulator or a online casino where I can get you in profit every time within 100 spins?
If you have a huge edge it wouldn't take too many spins, but I'm assuming you are claiming a realistic (smaller) edge, which would require lots of spins.
So, do you claim to be a millionaire or billionaire, because that's what winning roulette knowledge would be worth. This fact alone demonstrates that I can predict with an about 99.9% certainty that you cannot beat the game.
U do know that you need like 10,000 spins to prove an edge for betting a small amount of numbers at a time? If you are betting a larger amount of numbers then you still need a lot. Actually, I think it's a lot more than 10,000 for a small amount and more like 10,000 for a larger amount. This is due to variance. You said you don't want to test with a lot of spins.
Quote from: pepper on Sep 20, 07:28 PM 2020
The roulette wheel has no memory. There is no such thing as patterns or repeaters. This way of thinking is idiotic.
I have only one question for you: in 39 spins, how many different numbers can you see?
Quote from: pepper on Sep 20, 07:28 PM 2020The roulette wheel has no memory. There is no such thing as patterns or repeaters. This way of thinking is idiotic.
Then there is no such thing as win streaks or losing streaks. I'll try to inform the pit boss the next time he comes over to see what is happening. Perhaps the "these are not the droids you are looking for" line will work on him.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Sep 21, 07:26 AM 2020
You are spot on and no questions asked on the memory. However there are patterns and repeaters. It is a fact that there are patterns and repeaters, as it is simple probability.
Coming to idiotic, am claiming it can be used to win and am ready to prove it as well. Are you ready to see the proof? Can we agree a time to get on to some roulette simulator or a online casino where I can get you in profit every time within 100 spins?
Talk is cheap. Pick the time and date and prove it on MPR.
To get this straight once and for all, there is no way to be in profit after 100 spins everytime you play. People who are claiming this should be ignored. Sure you can find a way to win more sessions then you lose, but knowing that you will always end in profit after every 100 spins you play, sorry impossible. Why? Because there are no patterns!!!! Why? because the wheel has no memory!. Only when the wheel has a memory of some sort, patterns can be created. This is all basic knowledge. And don't say 1 repeat min. in 37 spins is a pattern, because it isn't.
I would love to be proven wrong though, but it won't happen i'm sure of it. So tiny soldiers, please prove us wrong after almost 2 decades of blood sweat and tears.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Sep 22, 07:52 AM 2020
To get this straight once and for all, there is no way to be in profit after 100 spins everytime you play. People who are claiming this should be ignored. Sure you can find a way to win more sessions then you lose, but knowing that you will always end in profit after every 100 spins you play, sorry impossible. Why? Because there are no patterns!!!! Why? because the wheel has no memory!. Only when the wheel has a memory of some sort, patterns can be created. This is all basic knowledge. And don't say 1 repeat min. in 37 spins is a pattern, because it isn't.
I would love to be proven wrong though, but it won't happen i'm sure of it. So tiny soldiers, please prove us wrong after almost 2 decades of blood sweat and tears.
But I thought you believe in repeaters? You seemed to believe turbo has the secret to make repeaters work?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Sep 21, 07:26 AM 2020
You are spot on and no questions asked on the memory. However there are patterns and repeaters. It is a fact that there are patterns and repeaters, as it is simple probability.
Coming to idiotic, am claiming it can be used to win and am ready to prove it as well. Are you ready to see the proof? Can we agree a time to get on to some roulette simulator or a online casino where I can get you in profit every time within 100 spins?
Still waiting tinsoliders. If you can win every 100 spins you must have the holy grail. This is amazing, please show us how you do it.
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 20, 08:00 AM 2020
Thank you, for understanding me now... i wish "people" would dare to share what their ideas or what they are working on atm, this is what the forum is about right?, sharing ideas? (but for me) as you may know i like more to test/invent systems more than "playing for real" (but that is another story):S anyway... cheers
I like your systems and with a good strategy it's possible to make some money. Like you I also like to make systems so I understand you quite well.
I'm also working on an idea and Joe system would help me if he would put it available again.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Sep 22, 07:52 AM 2020
To get this straight once and for all, there is no way to be in profit after 100 spins everytime you play. People who are claiming this should be ignored. Sure you can find a way to win more sessions then you lose, but knowing that you will always end in profit after every 100 spins you play, sorry impossible. Why? Because there are no patterns!!!! Why? because the wheel has no memory!. Only when the wheel has a memory of some sort, patterns can be created. This is all basic knowledge. And don't say 1 repeat min. in 37 spins is a pattern, because it isn't.
I would love to be proven wrong though, but it won't happen i'm sure of it. So tiny soldiers, please prove us wrong after almost 2 decades of blood sweat and tears.
It's on roulette simulator for a limited time.
Countup by Nimo is the username
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 22, 06:42 PM 2020
It's on roulette simulator for a limited time.
Countup by Nimo is the username
Interesting, so the way to beat roulette is to bet on repeaters and use progression.
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 22, 06:49 PM 2020
Interesting, so the way to beat roulette is to bet on repeaters and use progression.
It's one of the ways, it's not the only way.
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 22, 06:49 PM 2020so the way to beat roulette is to bet on repeaters and use progression.
Now there's an interesting idea I'm sure nobody thought of before. Look our Vegas, we have a system here.
I don't want to spoil the party guys, but this repeater stuff is really old news.
Yes i believe you can make some decent money playing this way. Only a few numbers and a mild up as you win progression, but that's not the point here. A hg simply doesn't excist!
There will never be a system wich grand you a new high, profit after every 100 spins played, never! BECAUSE THW WHEEL HAS NO MEMORY!!! there are no patterns! come on guys, we've all been there.
Jekh, not long ago you were one of the Flat Earthers. I'm glad you see clearer. But keep in mind we all have much more to learn than we think. Always. Properly getting your head around this, with humility, is easier said than done. Because we all think we have a good understanding. Until we lose the pride.
Nobody knows everything, but learning from others saves a lot of time. But nobody learns unless they want to.
I've wasted countless hours trying to help people who dont want help. It's not completely wasted. I've at least understood to not waste so much time on genuinely stupid people. But again, there are much bigger things going on.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Sep 23, 01:39 AM 2020BECAUSE THW WHEEL HAS NO MEMORY!!! there are no patterns! come on guys, we've all been there.
Have you been there? There is a very common pattern in Even Chance bet selections. For a while one side will be the weak side and the other side will be the strong side. So the question is can you see this pattern and exploit it? The people that try to use it with a progression are going to get killed with it. The people that bet against it are going to get killed by it. The people that ignore it are just going to get nothing from it. The people that won't see it because they don't want to see it are going to get nothing from it other than the respect they think they have earned for warning others off. But there are people that also try to exploit that temporary imbalance. Are these people delusional? They must be according to qualified experts trying to save them from that fait worse than death. I happen to be interested mostly in people that have found a way to exploit this temporary imbalance. It goes to money management and gambling session management IMHO.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 22, 08:19 PM 2020
Now there's an interesting idea I'm sure nobody thought of before. Look our Vegas, we have a system here.
:lol: :lol: :twisted:
If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’s that Ignatus has waisted 10 years on developing systems that never worked in the long term
:twisted:
Quote from: precogmiles on May 08, 08:48 AM 2020
So after 10 years of posts on this forum. What is the general consensus of what works.
Which of the following works best?
1. Repeaters
2. Random vs random
3. Martingale and other progressions
4. Sectors
5. Physics
6. Precognition
only Steve's computers works. :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Sep 24, 05:59 AM 2020
If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’s that Ignatus has waisted 10 years on developing systems that never worked in the long term :twisted:
“wastedâ€....how so!?
- he’s just not managed to put certain things together ....as yet!
- if your enjoying the play, keep doing what your doing Ignatus :thumbsup:
@ Precog - for such a self proclaimed visionary, you come across quite limited in your views
**perhaps “1 + 1 = 1†....ponder that and then you might change your outlook on certain things
....thought you would have already known this Precog!
-the observer defines the game-
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Sep 26, 08:01 PM 2020@ Precog - for such a self proclaimed visionary, you come across quite limited in your views
**perhaps “1 + 1 = 1†....ponder that and then you might change your outlook on certain things
....thought you would have already known this Precog!
-the observer defines the game
I haven't claimed to be a visionary or anything special. I am just a humble seeker of knowledge. Precognition is thousands of years old and I am just trying to build my skills through practice.
In mathematics 1+1=2, if a system player uses mathematics and statistics to formulate a system but believes 1+1=1 then I think this is clearly a sign of confusion.
If you are referring to metaphysical concept of nonduality and using '1+1=1' as symbolism for 'the All' then I have no problem with that.
If you have wisdom or knowledge you wish to share I am always open and receptive to useful intelligent dialogue.
So what was the final conclusion?
Quote from: precogmiles on Aug 24, 07:38 AM 2021
So what was the final conclusion?
Well, I'm just a normal bloke trying to get on with my life through whatever means appeals to by me, or works for me.
Therefore, my final conclusion is, you're a twat.
Quote from: precogmiles on Aug 24, 07:38 AM 2021So what was the final conclusion?
Aside from my own experience, precognition is the only one for which i have seen solid, independent evidence to back it up.
Quite happy to be pointed to the contrary.
Jealousy is a disease.
Quote from: Klausy on Aug 25, 11:04 AM 2021
Aside from my own experience, precognition is the only one for which i have seen solid, independent evidence to back it up.
Quite happy to be pointed to the contrary.
Good to see you. Are you still practicing precog?
Don’t really have the time to do it properly at the moment and for me it doesn’t happen when trying to squeeze it into a busy day. It’s a noisy house here generally which makes things much harder as well.
That said, it’s an incredible thing to experience when it does click and am always interested in learning more about it.
I should have asked; how about you?
Quote from: Klausy on Aug 25, 12:11 PM 2021
Don’t really have the time to do it properly at the moment and for me it doesn’t happen when trying to squeeze it into a busy day. It’s a noisy house here generally which makes things much harder as well.
That said, it’s an incredible thing to experience when it does click and am always interested in learning more about it.
Yes it really is amazing.
Quote from: Klausy on Aug 25, 12:19 PM 2021
I should have asked; how about you?
Over the last few months I've been experimenting and researching. I've found a lot of interesting things. I'm happy to search via PM. It would be nice to see if you have had similar experiences.
I believe getting the theory right is the biggest challenge. Once the theory is good you can start to make changes that have a real impact and not wasting your time trying a million different ideas.
At the moment I have a decent hit rate. And a relatively ok theory. But there is much room for improvement before I reach the heart of Eldorado which is 1 spin 1 number win.
Vaddi system maybe.The problem is know who have discovered this system.It is still a mistery.
They should all work equally as well as each other.
Quote from: d80 on Aug 27, 10:53 PM 2021
Vaddi system maybe.The problem is know who have discovered this system.It is still a mistery.
Do you have any reason to believe vaddis system works?
Quote from: precogmiles on Aug 28, 08:01 AM 2021
Do you have any reason to believe vaddis system works?
This is the problem.We not have any proof it can work.Vaddis give only hints about the system.But i think him take very effort at try explain the system.Maybe can work.But as i said its still a mistery.
Quote from: d80 on Aug 28, 04:01 PM 2021This is the problem.We not have any proof it can work.Vaddis give only hints about the system.But i think him take very effort at try explain the system.Maybe can work.But as i said its still a mistery.
If someone wanted to prove their system works, just demonstrate it on RSim or MPR. Simple, no？
Many have tried and failed. Then sometimes they attack MPR and me - like it's my fault.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 29, 07:50 PM 2021
Many have tried and failed. Then sometimes they attack MPR and me - like it's my fault.
Exactly. I'm still yet to see 1 system demonstrated to win consistently.
Nothing works. Just show up and play.
Finales works 100%!
You heard it here first! :xd:
Seriously though, they do work but not in the conventional sense where you walk up to the table and see 7 and so decide to play 17 and 27.
There is a bit more to it than that. Some good minds on here over the years have laid the groundwork. you have to add bits, take bits away, experiment and let's face it, you will know when something works because simply, it just works.
Could it be down to luck and a temporary win streak as far as my playing experiences go. No! I have gone past that stage and luck will only take you so far before it all comes crashing down.
That's my advice fellas, no harm in doing a little experimenting with them.
Quote from: Tobacco Vanille on Sep 08, 04:07 AM 2021
Finales works 100%!
You heard it here first! :xd:
Seriously though, they do work but not in the conventional sense where you walk up to the table and see 7 and so decide to play 17 and 27.
There is a bit more to it than that. Some good minds on here over the years have laid the groundwork. you have to add bits, take bits away, experiment and let's face it, you will know when something works because simply, it just works.
Could it be down to luck and a temporary win streak as far as my playing experiences go. No! I have gone past that stage and luck will only take you so far before it all comes crashing down.
That's my advice fellas, no harm in doing a little experimenting with them.
Interesting, are you referring to precognition?
No, they're referring to delusions. I hold precognition in high regard and this is not that. It's a guessing game meant to send others on a wild goose chase.
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 08, 11:29 AM 2021
Interesting, are you referring to precognition?
It's an interesting point because who is to say that I don't subconsciously pick my selections from the different groups based on some type of precognition. I certainly wouldn't rule that out but it wasn't my original intention to go down that path and so if that's part of it, I am certainly not complaining.
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 08, 12:42 PM 2021
It's a guessing game meant to send others on a wild goose chase.
Well it's fair to say you need to crack a few eggs when making an omelette and It could be argued that I spent a long time on a wild goose chase but I certainly am not crying about it.
The delusion part comes when you can't be honest and admit your mistakes. That's not a problem if you are able to figure things out for yourself and then you don't need to blame others.
Law of attraction wins. You choose your number, focus on it, visualise it, most importantly feel it then hit spin a few times and it will show up.
I have come to conclusion precognition is a misunderstanding of the law and not the truth. You are still focusing but in a wrong way, sometimes you get to the part of feeling it and it works but that is because you attract when you feel not because you saw the future. The future is not real, you create it, moment by moment.
Quote from: stranger90 on Sep 08, 07:05 PM 2021Law of attraction wins. You choose your number, focus on it, visualise it, most importantly feel it then hit spin a few times and it will show up.
I have come to conclusion precognition is a misunderstanding of the law and not the truth. You are still focusing but in a wrong way, sometimes you get to the part of feeling it and it works but that is because you attract when you feel not because you saw the future. The future is not real, you create it, moment by moment.
It’s an interesting conversation and I don’t profess to understand it but in my experience I do get small glimpses of future events and experiences (not roulette related), many of which I don’t understand what they are until they happen but they generally aren’t things that I want or need.
I do though appreciate that many say it is more about manifesting the future, like you describe and I respect that, just that I don’t think that is what I do.
Quote from: stranger90 on Sep 08, 07:05 PM 2021
Law of attraction wins. You choose your number, focus on it, visualise it, most importantly feel it then hit spin a few times and it will show up.
I have come to conclusion precognition is a misunderstanding of the law and not the truth. You are still focusing but in a wrong way, sometimes you get to the part of feeling it and it works but that is because you attract when you feel not because you saw the future. The future is not real, you create it, moment by moment.
There is some truth to what you say.
& that's why I am saying, reality & so-called precognition -- its dominion.
Especially when you start entering the realm of 'precognition' -- don't you think there's groups who already established their place influence over creative forces there, having in mind much more reaching goals than winning at roulette.
Read this 'rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20757.msg247654#msg247654' & the accompaying posts in the light of stranger90's point above -- who secure the strongest influence overall the creative forces