I want to use the best red/black system I can find on the baccarat table. Any ideas?
Quote from: FreeRoulette on May 16, 01:02 AM 2020
I want to use the best red/black system I can find on the baccarat table. Any ideas?
check this setting
Quote from: ozzi43 on May 16, 03:40 AM 2020
check this setting
Thanks, I played that 10 times and it showed profit every time. Now I'm suspicious. Going to have to check the calculations.
Quote from: ozzi43 on May 16, 03:40 AM 2020
check this setting
Thanks for pointing that out. It was set for a dozens win instead of an evens win.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on May 16, 01:02 AM 2020
I want to use the best red/black system I can find on the baccarat table. Any ideas?
Hi FREEROULETTE
There is a thread on Roulette Life which I’m finding interesting at the moment. I’ve been following it closely. The EC principle could easily be transferred to roulette.
The author of the thread is very confident, but to his credit, he gives a series of crystal clear instructions. There are plenty of people on forums who make grand claims, but when it comes to the crunch, they’re deliberately ambiguous. Nothing worse than people who
speak in riddles. Anyway, I’m finding the thread refreshing.
Check it out here: link:s://:.roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,3170.0.html
Quote from: jono1167 on May 17, 12:45 AM 2020
Hi FREEROULETTE
There is a thread on Roulette Life which I’m finding interesting at the moment. I’ve been following it closely. The EC principle could easily be transferred to roulette.
The author of the thread is very confident, but to his credit, he gives a series of crystal clear instructions. There are plenty of people on forums who make grand claims, but when it comes to the crunch, they’re deliberately ambiguous. Nothing worse than people who
speak in riddles. Anyway, I’m finding the thread refreshing.
Check it out here: link:s://:.roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,3170.0.html
Worse than the people who want something for mere peanuts or nothing?
The delusional psychosis is real on this forum.
Quote from: Moxy on May 17, 01:02 AM 2020
Worse than the people who want something for mere peanuts or nothing?
The delusional psychosis is real on this forum.
Moxy
The people who actually have something to share, aren’t hanging around forums giving clues. They’re off quietly making money. Full credit to them.
The people who don’t have anything, are hanging around forums dropping clues and speaking in riddles. A few names quickly come to mind. I think we all know a few.... You better believe, I don’t expect these people to give me anything.
Forums should be about sharing ideas. Fortunately there are plenty of people here who fit this bill. Look at anything posted from Big Brother Ben, Notto, Proof Reader, Gizmo or Sixth Sense. This is just to name a few....
Best EC has been discussed few years ago - Wdw.
I posted the excel tracker, also hv baccarat version.
Check out Wiggy's short thread - it's a winner. :)
Quote from: cht on May 17, 08:13 AM 2020
Best EC has been discussed few years ago - Wdw.
I posted the excel tracker, also hv baccarat version.
Check out Wiggy's short thread - it's a winner. :)
Could you post the link?
Ok this much I help you guys.
First read up about Vdw, google read the giant thread so you understand the basic math involve.
Then read Wiggy's thread.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19401.msg240738;topicseen#msg240738
I attach here the tracker complete with all the permutations.
I upload the baccarat version.
You hv to figure out what they all mean. And hide those part you don't want to use.
(Recommend you start with just one EC, eg. redblack)
You hv to know how to align the 2 parts together as described by Wiggy,
And shown in the tracker with all the possible permutations.
Keep staring at it, perhaps someday you get it how to align and make the winning bet.
Quote from: jono1167 on May 17, 12:45 AM 2020
Hi FREEROULETTE
There is a thread on Roulette Life which I’m finding interesting at the moment. I’ve been following it closely. The EC principle could easily be transferred to roulette.
The author of the thread is very confident, but to his credit, he gives a series of crystal clear instructions. There are plenty of people on forums who make grand claims, but when it comes to the crunch, they’re deliberately ambiguous. Nothing worse than people who
speak in riddles. Anyway, I’m finding the thread refreshing.
Check it out here: link:s://:.roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,3170.0.html
Thanks JONO1167, I'll read that.
Quote from: cht on May 17, 09:12 AM 2020
Ok this much I help you guys.
First read up about Vdw, google read the giant thread so you understand the basic math involve.
Then read Wiggy's thread.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19401.msg240738;topicseen#msg240738
I attach here the tracker complete with all the permutations.
I upload the baccarat version.
You hv to figure out what they all mean. And hide those part you don't want to use.
(Recommend you start with just one EC, eg. redblack)
You hv to know how to align the 2 parts together as described by Wiggy,
And shown in the tracker with all the possible permutations.
Keep staring at it, perhaps someday you get it how to align and make the winning bet.
I read this thread and maybe I'm over simplifying it. But in a nutshell, he keeping count of RR, RB, BR, BB how many misses in a row. I'm still a little unclear when you bet and also average misses in a row.
I ran a simulation to count losses on red/black pairs . This is what I saw.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on May 17, 03:12 PM 2020
I read this thread and maybe I'm over simplifying it. But in a nutshell, he keeping count of RR, RB, BR, BB how many misses in a row. I'm still a little unclear when you bet and also average misses in a row.
Don’t waste your time Johnlegend pattern breaker crap
Look at this game I just played for 40 spins - 8win - 6 loss, positive edge bet.
This short game is based on Vdw math. Study where I placed the bets.
The positive edge exist when the 2 are aligned.
It will require a new thread and time to explain this game. For those who understand it perhaps you start a thread to contribute back to the commmunity.
I made a mistake with the previous tracker.
Another patient game waiting for alignment.
Study both these examples to understand how to play Vdw to win.
Tracker explanation.
Tracker has 2 parts of information.
Left box is Wiggy's 4 couplets.
Right box is Vdw.
HI
I wonder if could be possible for someone explain
a little better this strategy with a small example
still very confuse
Quote from: cht on May 17, 08:13 AM 2020
Best EC has been discussed few years ago - Wdw.
I posted the excel tracker, also hv baccarat version.
Check out Wiggy's short thread - it's a winner. :)
Great information CHT. It sounds interesting. I'll dissect this thoroughly over the next few days. Cheers
I am not sure but so far I have gathered this,
We wait until 3 of the 4 patterns of an even chance are formed i.e HH LL HL , Now only LH remains so we bet against it. But here is where we have to align it with VDW to decide whether to bet or not depending on whether AP has been formed or not,
Is this correct CHT?
Thanks
Easy.
The best way to bet on EC's is a simple race to 5.
Bet on whichever EC is first to reach 4. Hopefully it reaches 5 before the other one catches up.
You can figure out the rest.
Quote from: Taotie on May 19, 02:33 AM 2020
Easy.
The best way to bet on EC's is a simple race to 5.
Bet on whichever EC is first to reach 4. Hopefully it reaches 5 before the other one catches up.
You can figure out the rest.
Easy one! Simple martingale and if both get to 4, either bet on luck and choose one of them, either take the loss and start over. ;D ;D
Quote from: mohitomish on May 19, 02:14 AM 2020
I am not sure but so far I have gathered this,
We wait until 3 of the 4 patterns of an even chance are formed i.e HH LL HL , Now only LH remains so we bet against it. But here is where we have to align it with VDW to decide whether to bet or not depending on whether AP has been formed or not,
Is this correct CHT?
Thanks
Correct, we align Vdw where the
proposal bet is to complete, we bet against.
(Note - it can be any number of lookback cells,
provided completion is possible)
In this example, the proposal bet is mutual bet, we chose red to prevent it to complete.
Quote from: Taotie on May 19, 02:33 AM 2020Easy.
The best way to bet on EC's is a simple race to 5.
Bet on whichever EC is first to reach 4. Hopefully it reaches 5 before the other one catches up.
What about if after the 4th Black follow 4 Reds?
We have already 4 loses and then?
What do we do? We have now 4 Reds. We start betting on Reds in order a 5th Red to appear? Or continue with Blacks? Until when? And if we bet on Reds and then some Blacks start appearing?..
We bet flat bet or any progression? We have stop loss and start over after the next 4th EC?
I think it's not so easy as it seems.
Quote from: huskerdu on May 19, 03:37 AM 2020
What about if after the 4th Black follow 4 Reds?
We have already 4 loses and then?
What do we do? We have now 4 Reds. We start betting on Reds in order a 5th Red to appear? Or continue with Blacks? Until when? And if we bet on Reds and then some Blacks start appearing?..
We bet flat bet or any progression? We have stop loss and start over after the next 4th EC?
I think it's not so easy as it seems.
If you get to 4 reds, you bet on red. Simple as that! If 4 blacks shows up, you lost 15units (considering the fact that you play martingale). Either take the loss and start over (with a recovery plan), either place another bet and see if you get lucky!
Quote from: cht on May 19, 03:21 AM 2020
Correct, we align Vdw where the proposal bet is to complete, we bet against.
(Note - it can be any number of lookback cells, provided completion is possible)
In this example, the proposal bet is mutual bet, we chose red to prevent it to complete.
Hi CHt,
thanks for the confirmation, I have two questions
a) So we only play when we have mutual bet selection conditions and choose the even chance which is against the last remaining pattern?
b) Does this produce edge?
Quote from: mohitomish on May 19, 04:32 AM 2020
Hi CHt,
thanks for the confirmation, I have two questions
a) So we only play when we have mutual bet selection conditions and choose the even chance which is against the last remaining pattern?
In this example the proposal bet is mutual bet, we bet red against. If the proposal bet is red we don't bet because it won't form the 4th pattern. If the proposal bet is black to form the 4th pattern, then we bet red against.
b) Does this produce edge?
In my probe test it wins more then lose. You can test it yourself. Or a rx coder test it over large live data sample. Post here the result.
Quote from: huskerdu on May 19, 03:37 AM 2020What about if after the 4th Black follow 4 Reds?
We have already 4 loses and then?
What do we do? We have now 4 Reds. We start betting on Reds in order a 5th Red to appear? Or continue with Blacks? Until when? And if we bet on Reds and then some Blacks start appearing?..
We bet flat bet or any progression? We have stop loss and start over after the next 4th EC?
I think it's not so easy as it seems.
Sorry, I didn't mean the game was easy, I meant it's easy the best EC system. But it is easy to play once you're up and running.
If you start a session with 4 black followed by 4 red then yes, you have 4 losses. So what? A wL registry of LLLL happens often when playing EC's.
if your session starts with 4 black followed by 4 red, you have 4 losses. The race to 5 is now tied with neither EC leading so there can be no further bet. Simply strike out the furthest back so that each EC now has 3 hits. The next EC to show is the new race leader with a 4v3 advantage. The next bet is 'follow the last'.
Each time the race is tied strike out the furthest back and record the next spin.
There is no need to consider spins further back than the current race, so always strike out ties @4, and also strike out furthest back when a race ends. This allows a continuum and mostly keeps you in the game.
I would suggest using a D'Alembert rather than a Martingale. A modified D'Alembert is even better.
Like I said, you can figure out the rest....
Quote from: Taotie on May 19, 05:27 AM 2020
Sorry, I didn't mean the game was easy, I meant it's easy the best EC system. But it is easy to play once you're up and running.
If you start a session with 4 black followed by 4 red then yes, you have 4 losses. So what? A wL of LLLL happens often when playing EC's.
if your session starts with 4 black followed by 4 red, you have 4 losses. The race to 5 is now tied with neither EC leading so there can be no further bet. Simply strike out the furthest back so that each EC now has 3 hits. The next EC to show is the new race leader with a 4v3 advantage. The next bet is 'follow the last'.
Each time the race is tied strike out the furthest back and record the next spin.
There is no need to consider spins further back than the current race, so always strike out ties @4, and also strike out furthest back when a race ends. This allows a continuum and mostly keeps you in the game.
I would suggest using a D'Alembert rather than a Martingale. A modified D'Alembert is even better.
Like I said, you can figure out the rest....
So, this is the way you play AND WIN?
No. This is just a spot play for me. A simple way to bet in down time, or when I don't want to get into a serious session, and maybe earn a few dollars.
I don't normally play EC's if I'm on the job.
When played in conjunction with my own modified D'Alembert it is a very robust EC method, easily adapted to baccarat.
I was once registered on this forum as skakus. This is the EC system I played to destroy both John Legend and the Bayes Challenge a few years ago.
Got up to a z-score of around 5 over about 8000 spins before the challenge fizzled out.
As of now, no one has or can beat that result.
Quote from: Taotie on May 19, 05:41 AM 2020
No. This is just a spot play for me. A simple way to bet in down time, or when I don't want to get into a serious session, and maybe earn a few dollars.
I don't normally play EC's if I'm on the job.
When played in conjunction with my own modified D'Alembert it is a very robust EC method, easily adapted to baccarat.
I was once registered on this forum as skakus. This is the EC system I played to destroy both John Legend and the Bayes Challenge a few years ago.
Got up to a z-score of around 5 over about 8000 spins before the challenge fizzled out.
As of now, no one has or can beat that result.
Thanks for the info.
Sent you a PM
Quote from: Taotie on May 19, 05:41 AM 2020
No. This is just a spot play for me. A simple way to bet in down time, or when I don't want to get into a serious session, and maybe earn a few dollars.
I don't normally play EC's if I'm on the job.
When played in conjunction with my own modified D'Alembert it is a very robust EC method, easily adapted to baccarat.
I was once registered on this forum as skakus. This is the EC system I played to destroy both John Legend and the Bayes Challenge a few years ago.
Got up to a z-score of around 5 over about 8000 spins before the challenge fizzled out.
As of now, no one has or can beat that result.
I hv checked your method out. FTL the race leader which can go 9-12 length b4 a winner. Tested with DZ, quad, lines too.
The only real positive edge flatbet systems bet is based on this principle.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=27113.msg240733#msg240733
Quote from: cht on May 19, 04:39 AM 2020
Hi,
So in simple terms, in your example the last remaining pattern is BB, so we will bet RR, but first, we will see if an AP is telling us to bet B on the first spin then we bet R and similarly, we will do the second spin. Right?
Why would you bet RB when you get random accuracy?
If i jump off a building and flap my arms hard, I have a better chance.
Quote from: Steve on May 19, 08:42 AM 2020
Why would you bet RB when you get random accuracy?
If i jump off a building and flap my arms hard, I have a better chance.
Because I want to apply the best EC betting method to Baccarat.