Hello,
I think I have kind of what we call a "Holy grail"...
I used flat betting only, no progression.
I'll continue my testing later. This system is manual and is not designed to be automated. (Anyway, all automated systems fail sooner or later...).
Here is a screenshot. I'm willing to sell it for more than 1000â,¬...
You can play it online, rng and Live wheels and in B&M casinos.
It is super easy to track and play.
Hi!
Can i get dgt file?
After hard 400 spins you say it is HG? Why not you post chart after half million spins at least?
I have 2 systems flat bet over 500+ spins like your graph, then crash sometimes sooner sometimes later, but hope your not!!
Make a test with at least 500K spins.
Quote from: boatran8 on May 28, 10:04 PM 2020
Hello,
I think I have kind of what we call a "Holy grail"...
I used flat betting only, no progression.
I'll continue my testing later. This system is manual and is not designed to be automated. (Anyway, all automated systems fail sooner or later...).
Here is a screenshot. I'm willing to sell it for more than 1000â,¬...
You can play it online, rng and Live wheels and in B&M casinos.
It is super easy to track and play.
Another wacko.
Quote from: boatran8 on May 28, 10:04 PM 2020
Hello,
I think I have kind of what we call a "Holy grail"...
I used flat betting only, no progression.
I'll continue my testing later. This system is manual and is not designed to be automated. (Anyway, all automated systems fail sooner or later...).
Here is a screenshot. I'm willing to sell it for more than 1000â,¬...
You can play it online, rng and Live wheels and in B&M casinos.
It is super easy to track and play.
And if its HG you wouldnt sell it for 1K, but you know ofc that it will fail after many spins.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 29, 06:32 AM 2020
Another wacko.
How is your "HG"? Are you already millionaire?
You will be surprised how unpretendig I am.
Why don't you offer it for 999,99 â,¬ instead of 1.000 â,¬ ?
You haven't taken into account basic marketing tools.
I have to say I'm not convinced at all. I've tested 100s of systems that have the exact graph as this at certain points in between sets of 10k, 20k, and 30k spins, but are all eventual losing systems. For all we know this would zig zag down into a loss after 400.
Show us this lovely uphill graph over 20k-50k spins then people will more likely take you more seriously.
Clf7. You are reported to Moderators. Now. IF i was a moderator, i would give you a PERMANENT BAN from this forum. ok.
Quote from: Sparks on May 29, 07:55 AM 2020
I have to say I'm not convinced at all. I've tested 100s of systems that have the exact graph as this at certain points in between sets of 10k, 20k, and 30k spins, but are all eventual losing systems. For all we know this would zig zag down into a loss after 400.
Show us this lovely uphill graph over 20k-50k spins then people will more likely take you more seriously.
Exactly
Quote from: ignatus on May 29, 07:56 AM 2020
Clf7. You are reported to Moderators. Now. IF i was a moderator, i would give you a PERMANENT BAN from this forum. ok.
If you were a moderator this forum would be full of guys like Joe Ferguson aka Legend like in the roulettelife forum claiming that they found the ultra best HG.
Almost everyone can see the typical problems with the OP's hg claims.
But we can at least try not be c*nts about it.
I mean some people patronize him and make fun of him. He probably has far less knowledge about systems than you. And there are countless hgs around. So its damn frustrating, and hard to bite your tongue.
But you know, thats how more experienced players see you.
Anyway we can try and be polite. We were all clueless once too. Including me.
There's a time for being a blunt c*nt. And that's after incomprehensible amount of times, truth bashes them in the face. It teabags them.... and they still don't get it.
Basically I'm saying be honest. But try not to be a c*nt about it. Unless being a c*nt is the only way you'll get through to them. In which case, still use your powers of c*ntyness sparingly.
Ignatus has the problem steve not us
Quote from: Clf7 on May 29, 08:17 AM 2020
Ignatus has the problem steve not us
Well YOU have a problem obviously? Only thing you do is trolling the forum with your bad attitude and you bad comments. PLEASE
Quote from: ignatus on May 29, 08:39 AM 2020
Well YOU have a problem obviously? Only thing you do is trolling the forum with your bad attitude and you bad comments. PLEASE
You are posting every day new "winning" systems (ofc only loosing ones) for months and years, claiming the same stuff over and over again and i am trolling? Be one time serious ignatus, only one time.
Quote from: Clf7 on May 29, 09:00 AM 2020
You are posting every day new "winning" systems (ofc only loosing ones) for months and years, claiming the same stuff over and over again and i am trolling? Be one time serious ignatus, only one time.
You see? well, you ARE obviosly a forum troll and SHOULD BE BANNED. Now i will report you AGAIN? You are hopeless?
Quote from: Clf7 on May 29, 09:15 AM 2020
You are spamming the forum every single day for months and years with BS methods, nobody gives your methods attention anymore, stop spamming.
Go on, Go on.. Still you are the TROLL and You have the Attitude not me. I will CONTINUE report you. Adios.
Clf, at least ignatus is sharing. Please keep that in mind.
Quote from: Steve on May 29, 08:07 AM 2020We were all clueless once too
This guy has been posting since September 2010. How could he not know the basics? It seems like a scam to me. At least he's not lying; anyone can say their system has passed millions of tests resulting in billions of units ahead.
Do people not blatantly lie like this to cover their own butt or can people really still be so clueless after 9 years and still be fooled by short-term results?
The OP didn't even post this in the right thread. Steve has a specific thread for the sale of systems. It says Systems, Products, & Services For Sale. "If you are selling something, this is the only place you can advertise it or your posts will be removed."
What I don't understand !!! :ooh:
There is NO OBLIGATION, Ignatus RX-CODES
to apply. My English skills are just enough to understand the code ---> TEST. don't PLAY and LOSE. >:D
Would every game idea spoil the player, WHAT can you still post ??
I have already won the license fee from the RX system designer. :xd:
I therefore donated EUR 20 to Ignatus.
THANKS for your work. :love: :love: :love:
Well it took me about 5 years to understand my mistakes,and im not stupid. But ignorance and hardheadedness has the same effect.
Quote from: Steve on May 29, 10:03 AM 2020
Well it took me about 5 years to understand my mistakes,and im not stupid. But ignorance and hardheadedness has the same effect.
Most of the roulette players learned their lessons the hard way and in many years. But I think that all the info and oppinions in this forum can save a lot of time and money to others.
Quote from: boatran8 on May 28, 10:04 PM 2020
Hello,
I think I have kind of what we call a "Holy grail"...
I used flat betting only, no progression.
I'll continue my testing later. This system is manual and is not designed to be automated. (Anyway, all automated systems fail sooner or later...).
Here is a screenshot. I'm willing to sell it for more than 1000%u20AC...
You can play it online, rng and Live wheels and in B&M casinos.
It is super easy to track and play.
400 spins and you got profit 1100 so each spin you getting profit around 3 units, what a HG, and in 1 hour you wil get around 40 spins so 120 dollar per hour, , I think using computer also cannot make so much profit. Price should be high for this i guess 10k minimal
Ignatus - doing something over and over again that doesn't work is insanity.
How about you stop posting systems, and actually test something for 2 million + spins before posting it?
Try to be open-minded to the possibility that the foundation that your systems are built on (and all other systems that are not yours) is fundamentally flawed.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 10:08 AM 2020
Most of the roulette players learned their lessons the hard way and in many years. But I think that all the info and oppinions in this forum can save a lot of time and money to others.
Btw will you finally post in your thread a long term test with 500K spins of your systems?
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 10:13 AM 2020
Ignatus - doing something over and over again that doesn't work is insanity.
How about you stop posting systems, and actually test something for 2 million + spins before posting it?
Try to be open-minded to the possibility that the foundation that your systems are built on (and all other systems that are not yours) is fundamentally flawed.
Exactly
I play NO SYSTEM longer than 72 spins.
This fulfills the two-thirds law for a small profit.
I sell my premium HG too. 19 euro.
Quote from: Clf7 on May 29, 10:13 AM 2020
Btw will you finally post in your thread a long term test with 500K spins of your systems?
Who the f*ck is gonna play a system for 500k or 1-2mil spins??? This rule is a nonsense!
And why do you care about my system?? Watch your trolling job. That's one thing you're good at!
May I ask which is your support on this forum? Except trolling and blaming others?
Quote from: Mister Eko on May 29, 10:28 AM 2020
I sell my premium HG too. 19 euro.
:twisted: :twisted: I'll give you 20 if it passes 5mil spins (clf7 rule)
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 10:33 AM 2020
:twisted: :twisted: I'll give you 20 if it passes 5mil spins (clf7 rule)
Ok but cant be coded I use my brain
Quote from: Mister Eko on May 29, 10:35 AM 2020
Ok but cant be coded I use my brain
Even better! Do you accept 25EUR?? :twisted:
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 10:32 AM 2020
Who the f*ck is gonna play a system for 500k or 1-2mil spins??? This rule is a nonsense!
And why do you care about my system?? Watch your trolling job. That's one thing you're good at!
May I ask which is your support on this forum? Except trolling and blaming others?
Look, clf7 is very negative befause he disappointed in lot of systems which he tried, and he doesnt trust in systems anymore, except if it show profit after some 500k or million spins. It is for his the proof, thats all.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 10:39 AM 2020
Even better! Do you accept 25EUR?? :twisted:
Very good, but plasse take it seriously
Quote from: Mister Eko on May 29, 10:42 AM 2020
Look, clf7 is very negative befause he disappointed in lot of systems which he tried, and he doesnt trust in systems anymore, except if it show profit after some 500k or million spins. It is for his the proof, thats all.
I can understand that! But - as steve said - he doesn't have to act like a c*nt! That's all!
Fair-play? Does this sounds familliar?
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 10:47 AM 2020
I can understand that! But - as steve said - he doesn't have to act like a c*nt! That's all!
Fair-play? Does this sounds familliar?
Fair-play in what?
I am simply done with scammers in this forum.Steve must set some rules here, based on them will every member have the right to post about any so called winning system.For example: 1.Proof that it passed thousands of spins on RX (500K at least) , 2.On what it is based on etc etc.Only facts! This bla bla bla and talking without facts every time must stop!
Quote from: Clf7 on May 29, 10:59 AM 2020I am simply done with scammers in this forum.
That's probably about 99.9% of this forum buddy.
Clf is going the safe route. It's safer and smarter to test over many spins than be lucky by short-term results. BTW, all are fools who think that a reason is more important than testing over tons of spins, because everyone's so called reason or reasons are mostly delusions, except for genuine ones, like having the ability to use telekinesis to move the roulette ball. I believe all progression is utterly stupid (it is like trying to beat math with math), but I could be wrong. If a system uses progression, then obviously you need tons and tons and tons of more testing.
To determine how many spins you must test, you have to calculate the probability of being ahead (and by how much) depending on how many numbers you are betting on and if you are using progression to see if you have a winning system. Or you can use some other math based on standard deviations. People can easily pass tens of thousands of spins by just flat-betting and getting lucky. I was wrong in an earlier post where I said that 5,000 spins flat-betting would be a valid test. This is not nearly enough. Maybe it is if you are significantly ahead in profit. Again, you would have to look at the standard deviation.
Quote from: swanson on May 29, 11:10 AM 2020
That's probably about 99.9% of this forum buddy.
Clf is going the safe route. It's safer and smarter to test over many spins than be lucky by short-term results. BTW, all are fools who think that a reason is more important than testing over tons of spins, because everyone's so called reason or reasons are mostly delusions, except for genuine ones, like having the ability to use telekinesis to move the roulette ball. I believe all progression is utterly stupid (it is like trying to beat math with math), but I could be wrong. If a system uses progression, then obviously you need tons and tons and tons of more testing.
To determine how many spins you must test, you have to calculate the probability of being ahead (and by how much) depending on how many numbers you are betting on and if you are using progression to see if you have a winning system. Or you can use some other math based on standard deviations. People can easily pass tens of thousands of spins by just flat-betting and getting lucky. I was wrong in an earlier post where I said that 5,000 spins flat-betting would be a valid test. This is not nearly enough. Maybe it is if you are significantly ahead in profit. Again, you would have to look at the standard deviation.
As I previously said, I can understand that Clf is going on the safe route. I have no problem with that. But between that and acting like he is, considering the fact that a lot of the guys here shared something (doesn't matter if good or bad) it's a difference. You can't act like that, being so arrogant when you showed... almost nothing! But you have requirements! Based on what??? What did you bring on the table???
CLF7, some people here are complete morons, just accept this fact.
500k spins is not even enough, 2M + would be far more reasonable. Steve will tell you the same thing.
What is the difference between an ignorant person and a complete moron? Morons are stubborn and will continue to argue and defend their idiotic positions.
Quote from: Clf7 on May 29, 10:59 AM 2020
I am simply done with scammers in this forum.Steve must set some rules here, based on them will every member have the right to post about any so called winning system.For example: 1.Proof that it passed thousands of spins on RX (500K at least) , 2.On what it is based on etc etc.Only facts! This bla bla bla and talking without facts every time must stop!
I think you bla, bla more than half of the members here!
Quote from: swanson on May 29, 11:10 AM 2020everyone's so called reason or reasons are mostly delusions
Many people's "reasons" are also often fallacies, like the law of a third. It seems that people often apply things that have nothing to do with roulette or randomness to their illogical thinking, yet use it as a "reason" why their system wins.
I am wondering if similar illogical crap is being applied by Tesla's work. I don't see anything about Tesla saying you can use your thoughts to manifest or influence reality, yet people automatically think he did because of his ideas about energy, frequency, and vibration.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 11:25 AM 2020But you have requirements!
The requirements and his behavior is justified if people are selling something. If it is information that is free then he has no right to act that way, because he can just test it himself.
STEEEFAN2014 - You are in no position to talk. You don't understand even the most basic roulette fundamentals and you are selling HG scam in another thread.
As Steve has said, there is time and place for being a c*nt. And there hasn't been a better time. Sometimes tough love gets the job done.
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 11:30 AM 2020
STEEEFAN2014 - You are in no position to talk. You don't understand even the most basic roulette fundamentals and you are selling HG scam in another thread.
As Steve has said, there is time and place for being a c*nt. And there hasn't been a better time. Sometimes tough love gets the job done.
1. Who says that I'm in no position to talk? Who are you?
2. Prove that I'm selling a HG scam! Back up your affirmation!
3. You don't know s*it about my knowledges regarding roulette. So, shut it!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 11:25 AM 2020
As I previously said, I can understand that Clf is going on the safe route. I have no problem with that. But between that and acting like he is, considering the fact that a lot of the guys here shared something (doesn't matter if good or bad) it's a difference. You can't act like that, being so arrogant when you showed... almost nothing! But you have requirements! Based on what??? What did you bring on the table???
Rather bring nothing than bring garbadge shits
Quote from: Mister Eko on May 29, 11:34 AM 2020
Rather bring nothing than bring garabge shits
Exactly
Quote from: Mister Eko on May 29, 11:34 AM 2020
Rather bring nothing than bring garabge shits
IMO even a bad idea can sometimes lead to a good one.
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 11:25 AM 2020
CLF7, some people here are complete morons, just accept this fact.
500k spins is not even enough, 2M + would be far more reasonable. Steve will tell you the same thing.
What is the difference between an ignorant person and a complete moron? Morons are stubborn and will continue to argue and defend their idiotic positions.
Yep :thumbsup:
Quote from: Clf7 on May 29, 11:36 AM 2020
Yep :thumbsup:
Ok, let's try something else:
If i present a graph that a system can hold for 5mil spins, would that be ok for you? Would you pay for it???
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 11:36 AM 2020
IMO even a bad idea can sometimes lead to a good one.
I agree. Sometimes...
Quote from: Mister Eko on May 29, 11:40 AM 2020
I agree. Sometimes...
Exactly! Sometimes... so, why blame them???
You don't like it? No problem, ignore it! Simple as that...
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 11:34 AM 2020
2. Prove that I'm selling a HG scam! Back up your affirmation!
3. You don't know s*it about my knowledges regarding roulette. So, shut it!
Basic logic says it's a scam, because 1) you would have played with it yourself and won a good amount with it before selling 2) You wouldn't be selling it for peanuts, but for at least 100k. You can test it for 2 million spins and Steve will happily buy it for $100k, that offer is available.
Anyone who knows the basic fundamentals, can tell that you lack knowledge based on some of your posts in other threads.
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 11:46 AM 2020
Basic logic says it's a scam, because 1) you would have played with it yourself and won a good amount with it before selling 2) You wouldn't be selling it for peanuts, but for at least 100k. You can test it for 2 million spins and Steve will happily buy it for $100k, that offer is available.
Anyone who knows the basic fundamentals, can tell that you lack knowledge based on some of your posts in other threads.
This site is c********. Those points are irrelevant. There are no investment risk. Hence the frenzy going on here.
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 11:46 AM 2020
Basic logic says it's a scam, because 1) you would have played with it yourself and won a good amount with it before selling 2) You wouldn't be selling it for peanuts, but for at least 100k. You can test it for 2 million spins and Steve will happily buy it for $100k, that offer is available.
Anyone who knows the basic fundamentals, can tell that you lack knowledge based on some of your posts in other threads.
Well... I guess you lack of logic! Or your knowledges regarding logic were teached to you by the school's gardner. Though I doubt it because that person might have a better logic than yours so I don't want to offend that person.
1. You don't know how much I won with that method.
2. It's up to me to put a value on my work. Financial knowledges are UFO's to you, I guess!
My posts? So I suppose you were born a roulette guru or....????
Quote from: Steve on May 29, 08:07 AM 2020
Almost everyone can see the typical problems with the OP's hg claims.
But we can at least try not be c*nts about it.
I mean some people patronize him and make fun of him. He probably has far less knowledge about systems than you. And there are countless hgs around. So its damn frustrating, and hard to bite your tongue.
But you know, thats how more experienced players see you.
Anyway we can try and be polite. We were all clueless once too. Including me.
There's a time for being a blunt c*nt. And that's after incomprehensible amount of times, truth bashes them in the face. It teabags them.... and they still don't get it.
The issue is not trust here. The poor sap just got inundated on a c******** forum. He's got bigger fish to fry then being cursed on here. But if he's misguided or simply a mal-intent then perfect; keeping the charade going.
Quote from: Steve on May 29, 09:34 AM 2020
Clf, at least ignatus is sharing. Please keep that in mind.
Cognitive dissonance is real here.
Quote from: Moxy on May 29, 12:17 PM 2020
Says the c********.
Plaise someone bann this rat. We discuss here serious things about roulette, including serious players, and this foxi maxi moxi comes here to say these c+stars things (I dont know what is it, maybe his HG name?)
Who is this rat, a bastard scammer? Get out of the topic.
Quote from: Mister Eko on May 29, 12:43 PM 2020
Plaise someone bann this rat. We discuss here serious things about roulette, including serious players, and this foxi maxi moxi comes here to say these c+stars things (I dont know what is it, maybe his HG name?)
Who is this rat, a bastard scammer? Get out of the topic.
Banning me would just prove my point.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 11:53 AM 2020
Well... I guess you lack of logic! Or your knowledges regarding logic were teached to you by the school's gardner. Though I doubt it because that person might have a better logic than yours so I don't want to offend that person.
1. You don't know how much I won with that method.
2. It's up to me to put a value on my work. Financial knowledges are UFO's to you, I guess!
My posts? So I suppose you were born a roulette guru or....????
What sane person would sell something for $1, when he could sell it for $100k?
Since you have won so much already with your HG, let's see your proof of winnings. Shouldn't be hard - let's see your proof.
It would be great if we would have new rules and requirements implemented for those claiming to have HG and are selling it.
1) There should be a significant sample size of numbers of spins that are tested on (1-2M)
2) There should be proof of winnings - that the seller or the person who has played with it, won a significant amount.
Those that don't meet the requirements, should not be allowed to sell their HG. This is a just a suggestion for Steve to consider.
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 01:05 PM 2020
It would be great if we would have new rules and requirements implemented for those claiming to have HG and are selling it.
1) There should be a significant sample size of numbers of spins that are tested on (1-2M)
2) There should be proof of winnings - that the seller or the person who has played with it, won a significant amount.
Those that don't meet the requirements, should not be allowed to sell their HG. This is a just a suggestion for Steve to consider.
3) The bare minimum price point at 5-10 million dollars.
Have you read Steve's thread?
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 01:03 PM 2020
What sane person would sell something for $1, when he could sell it for $100k?
Since you have won so much already with your HG, let's see your proof of winnings. Shouldn't be hard - let's see your proof.
1. Who said I am sane?
2. Where did I say that I want $1???
3. Why should I show you any proof????
Man, you are suffering from something! Ger back to reality!!!
Quote from: Moxy on May 29, 01:08 PM 2020
3) The bare minimum price point at 5-10 million dollars.
Have you read Steve's thread?
Steve is in a tough spot. If he bans the selling of the systems all together, people would think that he is doing it for selfish reasons, so he could get more sales on his computers, etc. I am very sure that if he wasn't selling his roulette computers or anything roulette related, he wouldn't allow systems garbage on his forums.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 01:18 PM 2020
1. Who said I am sane?
2. Where did I say that I want $1???
3. Why should I show you any proof????
Man, you are suffering from something! Ger back to reality!!!
I used $1 as an example. You are either a troll or just completely brain dead.
Quote from: winforus on May 29, 01:19 PM 2020
Steve is in a tough spot. If he bans the selling of the systems all together, people would think that he is doing it for selfish reasons, so he could get more sales on his computers, etc. I am very sure that if he wasn't selling his roulette computers or anything roulette related, he wouldn't allow systems garbage on his forums.
A true hg really is worth, bare minimum, in the millions. Michael Jordan is worth almost a billion right? It's only fitting
I'm out of these discussions! Too many persons here that live in their own bubble.
I have no problem admitting that I might be wrong sometimes, that I (for sure) not know everything about roulette, but I'm trying to be objective and I thought I am talking to some persons that are trying to improve strategies, ideas, methods (good or bad). It seems that what's happening here is going on the wrong track.
With all do respect for Steve who owns this forum and he probably has the best winning strategy and all the guys here that are acting normal - good job you all - I'm out of here. I will not go to a level so low of the discussions. I signed up here in order to learn something and I did. For that I thank all of those who posted their strategies and the ones who posted the pros and cons regarding them.
All the best!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on May 29, 01:39 PM 2020
I'm out of these discussions! Too many persons here that live in their own bubble.
I have no problem admitting that I might be wrong sometimes, that I (for sure) not know everything about roulette, but I'm trying to be objective and I thought I am talking to some persons that are trying to improve strategies, ideas, methods (good or bad). It seems that what's happening here is going on the wrong track.
With all do respect for Steve who owns this forum and he probably has the best winning strategy and all the guys here that are acting normal - good job you all - I'm out of here. I will not go to a level so low of the discussions. I signed up here in order to learn something and I did. For that I thank all of those who posted their strategies and the ones who posted the pros and cons regarding them.
All the best!
Typical scammer/bullshitter - when confronted with actual arguments/logic regarding your HG, you quit.
Good riddance, you won't be missed.
Quote from: boatran8 on May 28, 10:04 PM 2020
Hello,
I think I have kind of what we call a "Holy grail"...
I used flat betting only, no progression.
I'll continue my testing later. This system is manual and is not designed to be automated. (Anyway, all automated systems fail sooner or later...).
Here is a screenshot. I'm willing to sell it for more than 1000â,¬...
You can play it online, rng and Live wheels and in B&M casinos.
It is super easy to track and play.
I had a flat bet system that passed 80k spins, if yours is worth 1k mine would be worth at least 100k lol.