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Title: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 02, 09:50 AM 2020
Thought I'd place this in its own thread.

If you get my online charting program for this you can enter the spins as I go along. You can see some of where I'm getting my bet selections from. Also a picture of the progress so far.

Someone made note that I reset once.  I did this a long time ago when I first signed up and had no idea that this software keeps perfect telemetry. It's great to have a real working example of my bet selections and to show how I really play  with Reading Randomness. The instruction thread is for teaching the basic and for validating a working system. Enjoy it if you follow it.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 02, 10:23 AM 2020
The software upload size limit is 1.5 megabyte limited.  My zipped file is just under 4 megabytes. So I put up the new chart at the other site. Perhaps they could increase the size for software uploads here. They did there. I think it's set up to 10 megs, maybe wrong on that.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Clf7 on Jun 02, 11:35 AM 2020
Giz if finally you are right about your way of beating roulette, will you give lessons like kimo li does?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 02, 12:07 PM 2020
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 02, 11:35 AM 2020Giz if finally you are right about your way of beating roulette, will you give lessons like kimo li does?
I already did. This is the basic big picture history of Mark's obnoxious never relenting system. I have hinted at it for 14 years. Last July I took the lid off and opened Pandora's Box. Those first years at Gambler's Glen I made almost everything that Reading Randomness is pretty much obvious. The elegant pattern, global effect, and effectiveness states were all mentioned and defined. I just never made clear as a bell explanations or examples of it all. It was all similarly rejected.

I taught a couple of classes with it in the double dozen format. Then I did a better job later with the first practice software given to that second class of students with the last of double dozen betting.  I finally figured out a way to rid myself of self control issues and developed the Even Chance method, this method, sort of. I created strict stop loss and stop win characteristics based on a video that someone posted here or at the other site that talked about playing the stock market like a casino by Adam Khoo. I took on one student and worked with him 2 hours per day for 60 days straight. I wanted to see if this thing could be learned well enough to beat the known math expectations that I have always suspected are flawed. I waited for one year and decided that I could teach the basic method that I taught that student. I did it in one thread at a single gambling forum. It's all there. A lot of questions about it are discussed here.

I could not teach you the advanced technique unless you first mastered the basic technique. And I don't mean just a few sessions. You must demonstrate to me that you can reach the common skill level to produce a ratio of 4.66 wins at 3 net wins per session to 1 lost session at 7 net losses. That equates to 14 wins to 7 losses or a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. This is all spelled out and explained in the teaching thread.

If after proving that to me I might consider teaching individual students my full experience version. I have decades of experience watching trends change. I'm a master at recognizing swarms of formations and coincidences.  That must come later, after you have mastered the basics.  You will already be a highly profitable gambler if you reach 4.66 to 1. I doubt that anyone will want to pay me to open their eyes to even more characteristics and timing advantages.

But you have my actual play right in front of you now with Roulette Simulator.

This is the most basic principle. Bet bigger when you are doing good or at least suspect that the next bet is close to working. Bet small when you can't see an opportunity or if you are in a swarm of first try losses. All that is already explained openly. So go get it. It's all spelled out for free.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 02, 12:20 PM 2020
Here. Consider this part of your training:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=bRCtBRsLPmk
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 02, 12:46 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 02, 12:07 PM 2020
I already did. This is the basic big picture history of Mark's obnoxious never relenting system. I have hinted at it for 14 years. Last July I took the lid off and opened Pandora's Box. Those first years at Gambler's Glen I made almost everything that Reading Randomness is pretty much obvious. The elegant pattern, global effect, and effectiveness states were all mentioned and defined. I just never made clear as a bell explanations or examples of it all. It was all similarly rejected.

I taught a couple of classes with it in the double dozen format. Then I did a better job later with the first practice software given to that second class of students with the last of double dozen betting.  I finally figured out a way to rid myself of self control issues and developed the Even Chance method, this method, sort of. I created strict stop loss and stop win characteristics based on a video that someone posted here or at the other site that talked about playing the stock market like a casino by Adam Khoo. I took on one student and worked with him 2 hours per day for 60 days straight. I wanted to see if this thing could be learned well enough to beat the known math expectations that I have always suspected are flawed. I waited for one year and decided that I could teach the basic method that I taught that student. I did it in one thread at a single gambling forum. It's all there. A lot of questions about it are discussed here.

I could not teach you the advanced technique unless you first mastered the basic technique. And I don't mean just a few sessions. You must demonstrate to me that you can reach the common skill level to produce a ratio of 4.66 wins at 3 net wins per session to 1 lost session at 7 net losses. That equates to 14 wins to 7 losses or a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. This is all spelled out and explained in the teaching thread.

If after proving that to me I might consider teaching individual students my full experience version. I have decades of experience watching trends change. I'm a master at recognizing swarms of formations and coincidences.  That must come later, after you have mastered the basics.  You will already be a highly profitable gambler if you reach 4.66 to 1. I doubt that anyone will want to pay me to open their eyes to even more characteristics and timing advantages.

But you have my actual play right in front of you now with Roulette Simulator.

This is the most basic principle. Bet bigger when you are doing good or at least suspect that the next bet is close to working. Bet small when you can't see an opportunity or if you are in a swarm of first try losses. All that is already explained openly. So go get it. It's all spelled out for free.

Will do RH!   Operation Scorched Industry.  Let me grab my loot.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 02, 10:35 PM 2020
My favorite thing about this is when something amazing happens and I see it and exploit it, none of which is in the basic instructions. I didn't share this stuff with anyone. Until now...

Can you see it?

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 03, 09:46 AM 2020
Sort of an interesting discovery. Probably known by many here anyway.

While you play at the Roulette Simulator the telemetry for spins goes from right to left, or the latest spin appears on the top left. But when you call up the history the telemetry for spins goes from left to right.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Herby on Jun 03, 02:37 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 02, 10:35 PM 2020Can you see it?

Repeat of finals ?

Congratulations to your winning games.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 03, 03:59 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 03, 02:37 PM 2020Repeat of finals ?
Yep. I have never seen that particular configuration before. I've seen a bunch of one, two, or three numbers go into a strong domination before but never a thing like (1, 1,)  (3, 3,)  (5, 5,)  (2, 2.). You will notice that it breaks down a little also. This is very common. Most nicely formed patterns tend to sputter just as they end. I don't know why but they just hardly ever stop abruptly.  I was trying them with one bet on the actual zero.  I tend to ignore the zero/zeros unless they swarm. So when it went 4 and then zero I hit 4 again to pick up on the pattern as if the zero was not even there. It was a huge long shot bet but it paid off well. So it would have been like losing a small bet if it lost. No big deal really. I just wanted to show that there is stuff like this out there on occasions.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 03, 04:11 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 03, 02:37 PM 2020Congratulations to your winning games.
I plan on winning them all. This is all possible because of the very small waves it takes with such a huge bankroll. I mean 54 against 3,000. It's so very simple. Yet I seldom descend much lower than 10% of all that. Laziness is the enemy of this style of play.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 10:44 AM 2020
If you bother to check my play at Roulette Simulator you will see that I try to win every session. I did throw a blind Marti in there just to tick off the critics. Let's hope they walk away and see nothing.

These spins will illustrate what Reading Randomness is really all about:
4,4,3,27,8,29,17,30,34,16,12,29,7,19,34,36,29,19,3,34,32,8,22,35,18,10,11,28,8,21,7,15,19,15,31,27,13,
25,10,9,33,19,24,25,11,15,18,32,25,27,19,2,20,23,30,19,26,24,24,23,12,9,10,25,9,25,2,20,3,26,24,34,10,
18,28,24,4,33,30,28,7,31,9,9,12,32,35,11,26,16,31,29,33,26,29,2,7,18,14,11,

I use a comma delimited list of spins. So every one of the following images of graphs are all generated from the same list. Each image is a graph of what would happen if you placed the same value bet on each number in the set, example (Red). There are 18 red numbers in the set. The next example will be the same list applied to all bets on black.  I just want to show you that uptick trends and downtick trends happen all day long on a Roulette table. This is similar to stock market graphs. The math never changed in order for these swings to occur. All spins where independent and follow the mathematical expectations for independent spins.

Red then Black:
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 10:50 AM 2020
I win all the time at Roulette Simulator because I search for upward moving waves. I try not to grind downward with my big bets. But I always wait for upticks to strike while on their way up.

I have a huge bankroll at 3,000 compared to my goal of 54 ( 3 times 18 ) for each session. So I don't bother to stop on 7 net losses.

Here are the same sequence of spins for the Even / Odd bet selections. Once again I look at my charts and look for sections that are in a state of upward movement.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 10:54 AM 2020
All these graphs are occurring at the same time, in real time.  I look through my charts for trends that if they were to continue they would create upward movement in a graph chart. So the skill is in being able to visualize upward or downward movement and to check for duration of effect. This takes an intelligent and skilled thru experience mind.

Here are the High / Low sets:

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 11:03 AM 2020
Next from the groups created on the inside layout. There is no magical thing about unique groups and their opposing sets. This is just watching and waiting for the best occurring upswing. There is no absolute magical power that allows a person to recognize an upswing in your mind based on current telemetry. No of this predicts the next thing that will happen. But one thing is for sure. There are prolonged upswings. These things are not your imagination. If you can synchronize with them with bigger bets then you can exploit them. Sure you can synchronize with lost bets. It happens. This is not magical guessing. This is a commonly known skill. Many traders in the stock market use these techniques to place guesses on the market. They are known sometimes as swing traders.

Here are the same list of spins run against the Primes / Not Primes:

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 11:08 AM 2020
Like I said, it's a skill. You learn that characteristics about the swings come in similar sized packets. They even swarm in the same characteristic. This takes practice to identify similarities. Nothing is guaranteed in all this. You must decide to win your sessions and to hit while you can and stay out of the times that are bad news. I call that part of self control. You use it on conditional awareness.

The next group and sets are the zeros and the sixes:

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 11:15 AM 2020
The last group and sets are just some pet sets that I came across during my total destruction of a casino near San Diego. The same set went into a slow and steady grind upward for 4 days straight while I was there to hammer them. I had them memorized so I included them in the practice software. I've used them ever since. You can make up your own groups and sets. If you have Kimo Li's sets and groups you should use those. These are not magical groupings. I call this group the Specials.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 11:21 AM 2020
Reading Randomness is all about a basic skill where 3 net wins per session is played against 7 net losses for a session stop loss point.

In my real play I don't stop on a lost session at 7 net losses.  I play to win every time I gamble.  Here are my results of the first 37 sessions. I won them all, even the one to tweak the critics. Hope they fall for it. Don't need them getting wise.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 05, 12:59 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 11:21 AM 2020
Reading Randomness is all about a basic skill where 3 net wins per session is played against 7 net losses for a session stop loss point.

In my real play I don't stop on a lost session at 7 net losses.  I play to win every time I gamble.  Here are my results of the first 37 sessions. I won them all, even the one to tweak the critics. Hope they fall for it. Don't need them getting wise.

Challenge accepted.  It's on now.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 01:11 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 05, 12:59 PM 2020Challenge accepted.  It's on now.
Please specify what you mean by a your challenge. Absent that explanation I will assume that you are set on showing that RR does not work. Or that you can make more money perhaps doing something else? I'm sticking to winning every session. Can you do that?

Just in case you never read it here or at the other site, I show how you can become a millionaire from winning one session per day at  3 net wins that adds up to $333 per bet, for a total of $1,000 per day for 250 days per year and 4 years in a row. The IRS will classify you as an official millionaire  if you earn $250,000 four years in a row in earnings. All it would take is one single net win at $1,000 per day to pull that off.

I'm waiting to see if anyone can set out to win every session with Reading Randomness.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 05, 01:18 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 01:11 PM 2020
Please specify what you mean by a your challenge. Absent that explanation I will assume that you are set on showing that RR does not work. Or that you can make more money perhaps doing something else? I'm sticking to winning every session. Can you do that?

Just in case you never read it here or at the other site, I show how you can become a millionaire from winning one session per day at  3 net wins that adds up to $333 per bet, for a total of $1,000 per day for 250 days per year and 4 years in a row. The IRS will classify you as an official millionaire  if you earn $250,000 four years in a row in earnings. All it would take is one single net win at $1,000 per day to pull that off.

I'm waiting to see if anyone can set out to win every session with Reading Randomness.

It's on like Donkey Kong.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 01:22 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 05, 01:18 PM 2020
It's on like Donkey Kong.

What is on? Please tell us what you have been hinting about.  Otherwise you are just trolling.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Herby on Jun 05, 01:40 PM 2020
Hi gizmotron,
Its better not to care too much about this poor minded attention seekers.
You have here a great show, this attracts this above mentioned as they are not able to find response here or in the real world.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 05, 01:50 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 05, 01:40 PM 2020
Hi gizmotron,
Its better not to care too much about this poor minded attention seekers.
You have here a great show, this attracts this above mentioned as they are not able to find response here or in the real world.

You got it, AK.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 01:57 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 05, 01:50 PM 2020
You got it, AK.

I looked back:
Quote
Mano e Mano.  Same wheel.  500 spins.  See who comes out on top.  Catching trends.  Nothing more.  For fun.

I don't play to crush to smithereens people that think they have something to prove. In 500 spins there is seldom an expectation that an Elegant Pattern or a well formed Global Effect will occur. I doubt that you would know what I meant by that. There are no more powerful examples of trends that can be exploited than those. I'm satisfied by just winning every session at my stop point. Your challenge is irrelevant. Got a dime?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 05, 02:03 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 01:57 PM 2020
I looked back:
I don't play to crush to smithereens people that think they have something to prove. In 500 spins there is seldom an expectation that an Elegant Pattern or a well formed Global Effect will occur. I doubt that you would know what I meant by that. There are no more powerful examples of trends that can be exploited than those. I'm satisfied by just winning every session at my stop point. Your challenge is irrelevant. Got a dime?

Sure you can.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 02:17 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 05, 02:03 PM 2020
Sure you can.

For someone named Moxy you don't seem to have any. It's a real conundrum, Moxiemoron or Oxymoron?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 05, 02:42 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 02:17 PM 2020
For someone named Moxy you don't seem to have any. It's a real conundrum, Moxiemoron or Oxymoron?

It's on like a bomb, now.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 03:35 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 05, 02:42 PM 2020
It's on like a bomb, now.

You with a hand grenade, in a closet.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 05, 03:44 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 03:35 PM 2020
You with a hand grenade, in a closet.

Take no prisoners.  I will eat you for breakfast.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 04:02 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 05, 03:44 PM 2020
Take no prisoners.  I will eat you for breakfast.

Don't feed the troll.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 05, 04:21 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 04:02 PM 2020
Don't feed the troll.

Nom nom nom
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Richard Meisel on Jun 05, 10:28 PM 2020
Hi Giz, I intend to Win when Vegas opens using "READING RANDOMNESS". And just using the 6 rows of EC bets. I see many winning bets to make there not even looking at the Dozens and Columns and the other 18 number bets.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 11:36 PM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Jun 05, 10:28 PM 2020
Hi Giz, I intend to Win when Vegas opens using "READING RANDOMNESS". And just using the 6 rows of EC bets. I see many winning bets to make there not even looking at the Dozens and Columns and the other 18 number bets.

Cool, other Nevada casinos are opening around the state too. And so is Oregon in some places. There are really only a few people trying to beat casinos with RR. It all comes down to waiting for the better waves.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 06, 12:38 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 05, 11:36 PM 2020
Cool, other Nevada casinos are opening around the state too. And so is Oregon in some places. There are really only a few people trying to beat casinos with RR. It all comes down to waiting for the better waves.

Operation Scorched Industry commence!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mister Eko on Jun 06, 06:39 AM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 05, 03:44 PM 2020
Take no prisoners.  I will eat you for breakfast.

Who, you little shit? I have never seen and heard such an arrrogant gay on the forums like this moron. Shut up, and quit from your life.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 06, 08:18 AM 2020
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jun 06, 06:39 AM 2020
Who, you little shit? I have never seen and heard such an arrrogant gay on the forums like this moron. Shut up, and quit from your life.

Do you wear sunglasses at night?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: RayManZ on Jun 06, 08:19 AM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 06, 08:18 AM 2020
Do you wear sunglasses at night?

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 06, 08:41 AM 2020
"What's in your head," mathZombie?

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mister Eko on Jun 06, 12:41 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 06, 08:41 AM 2020
"What's in your head," mathZombie?

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts

Nice song mohombie!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mister Eko on Jun 06, 03:07 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 06, 08:18 AM 2020
Do you wear sunglasses at night?

If once you will attack me or others I promise you will be killed from all roulette forums. Take back from your little shit ego forever. End this arrogant attacks from your lonely yourself, and bring home money for your kind family.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 06, 04:21 PM 2020
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jun 06, 03:07 PM 2020
If once you will attack me or others I promise you will be killed from all roulette forums. Take back from your little shit ego forever. End this arrogant attacks from your lonely yourself, and bring home money for your kind family.

Says the guy with the shades.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 07:58 AM 2020
OK, noticed that you can move up the leader ladder if you use bigger bets. You can also get killed off for that session if you use too big of bets. So I see that 10 times the base win stop point is pretty good for now. So instead of 54 per session I'm going for 540. This should flatten out the climb and take away the wild rides. Still the same goal, play to win.

Is this sim legit? There are slight win streaks and you  get real bad down streaks. It seems normal. It does not look like it lets you win on purpose. Are there any complaints about Roulette Simulator?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 08:15 AM 2020
These people that say I'm using precognition unconsciously to get my wins. Suppose they are using win streak recognition unconsciously. That is more believable perhaps. Using confirmation bias to validate a theory is not good scientific practice. It's just lazy psychological scotoma, cognitive dissonance. If you have the power then it must be a win streak. If you are using a progression then it must be a lucky streak.

All I do is increase the bets when the luck changes to the good. I decrease the bets when the luck changes to the bad. I get killed when I get lazy. The temptation to increase the bets into a losing streak is a strong and powerful form of laziness. Those of us that have perfected winning techniques first started out on progressions. That lazy solution is always there tempting you. It's like a band-aid when you need a tourniquet.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 08:44 AM 2020
This happens. It's a great thing for the prepared:


| B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |
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|    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |
|    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |
| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |
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Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Jun 08, 09:05 AM 2020
Gizmo, whats the longest steak of uptrend you can show us?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 10:13 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 08, 09:05 AM 2020
Gizmo, whats the longest steak(sic) of uptrend you can show us?

I enjoy talking with you. You are clearly a serious gambler.

I'll have to search. But the two events that sent me down this road was when I first discovered it.  I saw a perfect pattern form in front of me and I only had $60. It was the same 12 numbers I had assembled as an idea that sectors of the wheel have a sort of magical power of some imagined advantage where by selecting sectors like spokes you could level out volatility. Over the years I have discovered that there is no magical solution that levels out the volatility of randomness. It is what it is. So those same 12 numbers were hitting in a repeating pattern perfectly. They would hit like ( hit, hit, not hit ) in that same repeating pattern. So I took the $60 in $5 Red casino chips and placed them on the 12 numbers after a ( not hit ). It worked. In fact I only bet big and bigger on the ( hit ) parts of the sequence. I rode that for about 30 more spins to a point where I could see it breaking down from its perfect form. I walked with a little over $3,000 after that session.

It took nearly a decade from that point to stop assigning magical power to trends and patterns and to realize that it was just a coincidence that trends that are in a favorable condition only work that way because you bet on them when they are occurring. In other words trends are both good and bad. They are volatile. It's just as volatile as a blind guess. It's not the trend or pattern that counts. It's your sense of timing. Or maybe I could call it your sense of catching momentum. I consider it a skill or an art form. But getting back to your question on the longest streak. I encountered a trend that I just could not believe could happen and so I bet against it like a stupid "gambler's fallacy" noob.

I had another section of the wheel that was made up from a connected sequence of 12 numbers. So there where those 12 numbers and then there were the other 26 numbers.  Well those same 12 numbers went on an incredible state of diminished appearances, something later that described as a "sleeping dozen." They were not gone completely but they just hardly ever showed up. I switched between 4 active tables next to each other and the same thing kept happening at each table when I would move. It lasted for more than 4.5 hours. I bet against it until I lost my paycheck for the week.  That was when I knew that there must be something to this trend and pattern thing.  Iv';e seen the same dozen sleep perfectly for 33 spins in a row once. I see the same EC hit around 18 to 22 times in a row at least three or four times per year.  You can write a program that hunts for EC streaks and run it against 100,000 spins and get an average.

One thing is for sure. Just because you just arrived at a casino does not mean that your pet set of spins or sequences will, all of a sudden, welcome you. Trends, patterns, and your synchronizing with them just happen out of common volatility.  All I do is recognize when trends or patterns would be in a winning state if I were to place bets on them. I can only consistently win if I'm lucky enough to fit inside the timing of the sequences. Some sessions are easy. Others require a great deal of patience.  You must not get killed off by making bad decisions while waiting for an opportunity to attack the few win streak opportunities. Greed is the outright enemy of this method of play.

Although I have spent many years, even decades, hunting the huge win streaks I have discovered that the mini win streaks and  having a stop win spot in each session is what works the best for me. So I don't hunt the monster win streaks any more. That goes back to about 2.5 years ago when I wised up and dropped hunting huge win streaks.  You take that and a video I watched here and you get what I do now.  I just surf the waves of chance and take the first win / stop win spot that I encounter.  It's simple. It deals with the greed problem and the need to hit a giant win streak. So I use a multi level flat betting process.

It all comes down to what a stranger said to me while walking into the door of a casino more than 30 years ago. I asked him what the secret to all this was. He answered "bet big when you are doing good and bet small when you aren't."

That is my big secret. There is nothing new at all to it. I just turned into a mapped gathering of specific characteristics that fall into sequences of coincidence. The skill is in seeing a working trend or pattern in a chart with the ability to utilize visual dexterity. You add knowing that at the time if you were to bet on it, and for it to continue, then you would win. The trend and the win streak occur at the same time.  So timing, "when you are doing good, bet big" is the winning factor.  It all comes down to how easy or hard this timing and sequencing matches up.  So I taught that to others. You can get skilled at good timing and strategic betting amounts.   That is why I suggested to you that you can know when you are in a winning streak.  All the pit bosses know when I'm in a win streak. It's one more reason why I stop on three net wins and done.  They don't see any win streaks unless it's part of a recovery streak. It's just a game.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 10:33 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 10:13 AM 2020
I enjoy talking with you. You are clearly a serious gambler.

I'll have to search. But the two events that sent me down this road was when I first discovered it.  I saw a perfect pattern form in front of me and I only had $60. It was the same 12 numbers I had assembled as an idea that sectors of the wheel have a sort of magical power of some imagined advantage where by selecting sectors like spokes you could level out volatility. Over the years I have discovered that there is no magical solution that levels out the volatility of randomness. It is what it is. So those same 12 numbers were hitting in a repeating pattern perfectly. They would hit like ( hit, hit, not hit ) in that same repeating pattern. So I took the $60 in $5 Red casino chips and placed them on the 12 numbers after a ( not hit ). It worked. In fact I only bet big and bigger on the ( hit ) parts of the sequence. I rode that for about 30 more spins to a point where I could see it breaking down from its perfect form. I walked with a little over $3,000 after that session.

It took nearly a decade from that point to stop assigning magical power to trends and patterns and to realize that it was just a coincidence that trends that are in a favorable condition only work that way because you bet on them when they are occurring. In other words trends are both good and bad. They are volatile. It's just as volatile as a blind guess. It's not the trend or pattern that counts. It's your sense of timing. Or maybe I could call it your sense of catching momentum. I consider it a skill or an art form. But getting back to your question on the longest streak. I encountered a trend that I just could not believe could happen and so I bet against it like a stupid "gambler's fallacy" noob.

I had another section of the wheel that was made up from a connected sequence of 12 numbers. So there where those 12 numbers and then there were the other 26 numbers.  Well those same 12 numbers went on an incredible state of diminished appearances, something later that described as a "sleeping dozen." They were not gone completely but they just hardly ever showed up. I switched between 4 active tables next to each other and the same thing kept happening at each table when I would move. It lasted for more than 4.5 hours. I bet against it until I lost my paycheck for the week.  That was when I knew that there must be something to this trend and pattern thing.  Iv';e seen the same dozen sleep perfectly for 33 spins in a row once. I see the same EC hit around 18 to 22 times in a row at least three or four times per year.  You can write a program that hunts for EC streaks and run it against 100,000 spins and get an average.

One thing is for sure. Just because you just arrived at a casino does not mean that your pet set of spins or sequences will, all of a sudden, welcome you. Trends, patterns, and your synchronizing with them just happen out of common volatility.  All I do is recognize when trends or patterns would be in a winning state if I were to place bets on them. I can only consistently win if I'm lucky enough to fit inside the timing of the sequences. Some sessions are easy. Others require a great deal of patience.  You must not get killed off by making bad decisions while waiting for an opportunity to attack the few win streak opportunities. Greed is the outright enemy of this method of play.

Although I have spent many years, even decades, hunting the huge win streaks I have discovered that the mini win streaks and  having a stop win spot in each session is what works the best for me. So I don't hunt the monster win streaks any more. That goes back to about 2.5 years ago when I wised up and dropped hunting huge win streaks.  You take that and a video I watched here and you get what I do now.  I just surf the waves of chance and take the first win / stop win spot that I encounter.  It's simple. It deals with the greed problem and the need to hit a giant win streak. So I use a multi level flat betting process.

It all comes down to what a stranger said to me while walking into the door of a casino more than 30 years ago. I asked him what the secret to all this was. He answered "bet big when you are doing good and bet small when you aren't."

That is my big secret. There is nothing new at all to it. I just turned into a mapped gathering of specific characteristics that fall into sequences of coincidence. The skill is in seeing a working trend or pattern in a chart with the ability to utilize visual dexterity. You add knowing that at the time if you were to bet on it, and for it to continue, then you would win. The trend and the win streak occur at the same time.  So timing, "when you are doing good, bet big" is the winning factor.  It all comes down to how easy or hard this timing and sequencing matches up.  So I taught that to others. You can get skilled at good timing and strategic betting amounts.   That is why I suggested to you that you can know when you are in a winning streak.  All the pit bosses know when I'm in a win streak. It's one more reason why I stop on three net wins and done.  They don't see any win streaks unless it's part of a recovery streak. It's just a game.

For breakfast.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 10:49 AM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 10:33 AM 2020
For breakfast.

Moxic Toxic, ... lunch, I just ate your lunch. So there, I know you are but what am I?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 10:56 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 10:49 AM 2020
Moxic Toxic, ... lunch, I just ate your lunch. So there, I know you are but what am I?

And dinner.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 11:16 AM 2020
I get it Moxic Toxic. You are the forum fly. Your Challenge is just to buzz around like a fly that eats sh*t and bothers people.

I'll just call you Fly from now on.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 08, 11:23 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 08:15 AM 2020
These people that say I'm using precognition unconsciously to get my wins. Suppose they are using win streak recognition unconsciously. That is more believable perhaps. Using confirmation bias to validate a theory is not good scientific practice. It's just lazy psychological scotoma, cognitive dissonance. If you have the power then it must be a win streak. If you are using a progression then it must be a lucky streak.

All I do is increase the bets when the luck changes to the good. I decrease the bets when the luck changes to the bad. I get killed when I get lazy. The temptation to increase the bets into a losing streak is a strong and powerful form of laziness. Those of us that have perfected winning techniques first started out on progressions. That lazy solution is always there tempting you. It's like a band-aid when you need a tourniquet.

You can call it precognition, or reading "randomness", - I think you are just arguing about semantics. No matter how you call it - if you are able to sense or get a feel of when "luck is coming", or when a certain trend is coming - you are doing something that majority of players are unable to do.

Also, you are not using a typical "system" - because system players actually make random bets, only according to bet sizes, progression, or some kind of a trend - that has nothing to do with timing, sensing/feeling, etc.

Your approach (assuming what you claim is true), actually changes the odds in your favor, as it increases the accuracy of your predictions (bets that you place).  In other words, you place higher bets when the accuracy is higher (good luck coming), and decrease the bets (when bad luck is coming) when accuracy is lower - thus you end up profiting.

Precognition, roulette computers, and other methods that actually work - all end up increase the accuracy of predictions, just using different methods. The "system players" don't do this - thus they end up losing. I just wanted to clarify this, as I seen you arguing, without understanding that you were only arguing about semantics.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 11:50 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 08, 11:23 AM 2020
You can call it precognition, or reading "randomness", - I think you are just arguing about semantics. No matter how you call it - if you are able to sense or get a feel of when "luck is coming", or when a certain trend is coming - you are doing something that majority of players are unable to do.

Also, you are not using a typical "system" - because system players actually make random bets, only according to bet sizes, progression, or some kind of a trend - that has nothing to do with timing, sensing/feeling, etc.

Your approach (assuming what you claim is true), actually changes the odds in your favor, as it increases the accuracy of your predictions (bets that you place).  In other words, you place higher bets when the accuracy is higher (good luck coming), and decrease the bets (when bad luck is coming) when accuracy is lower - thus you end up profiting.

Precognition, roulette computers, and other methods that actually work - all end up increase the accuracy of predictions, just using different methods. The "system players" don't do this - thus they end up losing. I just wanted to clarify this, as I seen you arguing, without understanding that you were only arguing about semantics.

Interesting perspective. There are two primary points that stick out to me.

This:
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get a feel of when "luck is coming",

and this:

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...actually changes the odds in your favor, as it increases the accuracy of your predictions (bets that you place).

Actually I'm mechanically searching for when I'm already in a win streak thru the use of virtual bets. I go from underfunded to funded. Secondarily you can call this prediction, semantically, but I see it as a conditional awareness of the "NOW" condition.  So I see it as speculation on an existing state. But if I then see the favorable state and test the waters with a bigger bet then it might be easy to see all these machinations as a type of prediction.  What matters has always been my primary goal in all this.

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Precognition, roulette computers, and other methods that actually work - all end up ( to ) increase the accuracy of predictions,

Perhaps so. I have always attributed all this to a discovery that the math is wrong. Perhaps the math is right and that I have some unique power. I have taught this to people that have demonstrated an advantage over the mathematical expectation. But I'm willing to wait on final judgment. I hope there is something far more definitive than a simple explanation of semantics. I have successfully debunked the math or I have special powers that I can't define as real.  This kind of thinking would have gotten me burned at the stake a few centuries ago. Now I'm just a curiosity at best.  But I sure am having fun over at the Roulette Simulator.  The casinos are just beginning to open back up. I'm waiting to see if all these protest will start a second wave. So the sim for now is a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 12:17 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 11:50 AM 2020
Interesting perspective. There are two primary points that stick out to me.

This:
and this:

Actually I'm mechanically searching for when I'm already in a win streak thru the use of virtual bets. I go from underfunded to funded. Secondarily you can call this prediction, semantically, but I see it as a conditional awareness of the "NOW" condition.  So I see it as speculation on an existing state. But if I then see the favorable state and test the waters with a bigger bet then it might be easy to see all these machinations as a type of prediction.  What matters has always been my primary goal in all this.

Perhaps so. I have always attributed all this to a discovery that the math is wrong. Perhaps the math is right and that I have some unique power. I have taught this to people that have demonstrated an advantage over the mathematical expectation. But I'm willing to wait on final judgment. I hope there is something far more definitive than a simple explanation of semantics. I have successfully debunked the math or I have special powers that I can't define as real.  This kind of thinking would have gotten me burned at the stake a few centuries ago. Now I'm just a curiosity at best.  But I sure am having fun over at the Roulette Simulator.  The casinos are just beginning to open back up. I'm waiting to see if all these protest will start a second wave. So the sim for now is a lot of fun.

Oh brother.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 12:29 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 12:17 PM 2020
Oh brother.

Fly, you pathetic fly you.  Don't you recognize wit?  Stop looking at the Polka Dotted Unicorns.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 12:34 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 12:29 PM 2020
Fly, you pathetic fly you.  Don't you recognize wit?  Stop looking at the Polka Dotted Unicorns.

Novels are for binders.  Or paperback.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 08, 01:09 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 11:50 AM 2020

Perhaps so. I have always attributed all this to a discovery that the math is wrong. Perhaps the math is right and that I have some unique power. I have taught this to people that have demonstrated an advantage over the mathematical expectation. But I'm willing to wait on final judgment. I hope there is something far more definitive than a simple explanation of semantics. I have successfully debunked the math or I have special powers that I can't define as real.  This kind of thinking would have gotten me burned at the stake a few centuries ago. Now I'm just a curiosity at best.  But I sure am having fun over at the Roulette Simulator.  The casinos are just beginning to open back up. I'm waiting to see if all these protest will start a second wave. So the sim for now is a lot of fun.

They are not mutually exclusive. Math is just a tool. If the payouts were "fair" or proportional to the odds - then math would not play as much of a role. When you say you that you "debunked math", what you are saying, is that you are able to overcome the unfair payouts in proportion to the odds.

The math remains true for Casinos and players that make random bets. Since most players make random bets (not just at Roulette but at all the other games of chance) - casinos end up winning. If the odds were reversed, and if the players would receive payouts say not 35 to 1 but 37 to 1 - then the players who would make random bets would be profiting.

A non Roulette example would be Black Jack professional players who would count cards, and thus make the odds in their favor. Once Casinos detect them, they ban them - as casinos don't want to lose.

Or take a 6 sided dice - if it rolls 5 or above, I pay you double that you wager. If you role 4 or below - you lose wager. Would you take that deal? Of course not, as the payouts are not proportional to the odds (math). Now, if you were able to predict accurately, when it rolls certain numbers, you surely wouldn't mind - as you wouldn't bet or bet a very little amount when it rolls certain numbers and bet bigger when you know certain numbers are coming. You would turn the odds in your favor. This is essentially what you are doing with Roulette. As you can see, math is just a tool.

And regarding the now vs prediction, yes this is just semantics. You are making your decision on what will likely happen in the next spin, in the "now" based on awareness. To me, the word "prediction" comes to mind, but you can use any word that you like, just understand that it's semantics.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 03:53 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 08, 01:09 PM 2020Or take a 6 sided dice - if it rolls 5 or above, I pay you double that you wager. If you role 4 or below - you lose wager. Would you take that deal? Of course not, as the payouts are not proportional to the odds (math). Now, if you were able to predict accurately, when it rolls certain numbers, you surely wouldn't mind - as you wouldn't bet or bet a very little amount when it rolls certain numbers and bet bigger when you know certain numbers are coming. You would turn the odds in your favor. This is essentially what you are doing with Roulette. As you can see, math is just a tool.

Actually you should know that I don't concern myself with any math regarding Roulette. We all know that the zero and the double zero can go into common phases where they tend to sleep for as many as 100 or more spins without an appearance. We also know the the two zeros can get over active. Half of my groups on my charts contain the zeros. I watch for their apparent activity and adjust according to observation. You have three conditions that are the most common. You have inactive, normal, about every 17 spins, and you have hugely active.  So In that way, I change the math. I also look for two other numbers that have been sleeping to offset the payout odds when the zeros are active.  Everyone is looking for the hottest repeaters. Funny, I'm looking for the two coldest numbers in order to ignore them by not placing bets on them.  If the zero and double zero can sleep for 100 or more spins so can any other two numbers.  Roulette is the only game where you can try to take control of the odds most of the times.   Oh, BTW, did I forget to mention that in all these years of dropping hints? It must be written somewhere in all these years at some forgotten forum. I'm generally in a condition of a level playing field.  I few of us went on a quest to program the ability to change the odds by eliminating swarms of zeros. I never told people that there are always a few numbers sleeping somewhere all the time.  What does Turbo say?  You can't get to three until you first go thru two.  He's watching for conditional situations. I'm doing the very same thing. Only I'm looking for the coldest numbers. No point in funding bets on them if you can find them.

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You are making your decision on what will likely happen in the next spin, in the "now" based on awareness.

Actually I'm just doing for EC's what Turbo and his "repeaters" crowd are trying to do. You cant get to 3 unless it already got to 2 first.  I'm only betting or taking a risk on something that is already occurring.  It's not a consideration on anything being likely. It can only happen if it is already happening. It's a guess. 

As I have spelled out clearly. Occurrences of trends also flow in phases of swarms. I'm always on the lookout for the size of trends. These characteristics flow in patterns of similar sizes. So I exploit these mini swarms.  Math has nothing to do with random distribution when it comes to randomness's characteristics once you break it all down with a construct based on characteristics and swarms. Once you can see this stuff, Reading Randomness, you can no longer go back to not seeing it. Your eyes are opened.

It's not prediction. It's just allowing yourself to be in position when the coincidence all falls into place. I can murder the casino in a swarm of doubles. There are times when there are no singles to be found. These are gifts of coincidental opportunity. But you must have the ability to see them when they occur. You must have the skill to attack when it is working and to back off when it is not working.

I consider this more like an ability to adjust to changes, while they occur. You play loose. You don't have to win every bet. You just have to win a few more than you lose. You must have the bankroll to maneuver without fear.

It's just like the most severe of all ski extreme. You must know that you can do this and know 100% for sure that you will not get killed because you will execute the skill required to do it. They really call this skiing with consequences. Well this is just the same thing. It's gambling with consequences. 

I'm no good at prediction. I can't do it. I can get a feeling once in a while but that is not enough for me to beat the casino. I take them down because at times she lifts up her dress and lets you see what you want to see.  MathZombies only see a percentage working against them.  It's funny what people will attach to. It's like Black Lives Matter. These people are just being puppets to peer pressure. It's really stay on the plantation of you captive mind or we will label you an "Uncle Tom." There has never been a more opportune time for a black person to make up their own minds and forge ahead and make their own prosperity. But those that have staked their own lives on being the socialist caregivers of government want these people to believe that others are holding them back and that it is not worth it to try. So they too are blinded by someone else's effort to control their minds. People like to pack in groups. It's a basic fear instinct. They would rather have everyone suffer in abstract poverty than to have anyone break out of their control and prove them wrong. And they have created a brainwashed larger group with this hatred of America the way that it is. All thanks to a total takeover of the education system. They are at war with the rest of us just scratching our heads and wondering how all this and these value have changed. People want to be comfortable and civil. So now they cry out to defund the police. So where are the parades to defend the police? People are scared to get singles out. That is the brainwashing that has been done to our culture.  The thought of people discovering the ability to think for themselves if frightening to them. That is their greatest fear. They fear being discovered that they are irrelevant and unnecessary.

I defy the math because I don't fear ignoring it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 08, 04:16 PM 2020
I don't think you still understood what I wrote. For example, I wrote "XXXXY", and you read it as "XXXDK"

The words that I typed - had a specific meaning, and you seem to be too attached to the identity that you created for yourself - "overcoming math, proving math zombies wrong", etc - that you can't see that you are arguing about the semantics. Read again my post more carefully and what I wrote - without being too attached to the words or the method that you created for yourself.

I respect the fact that unlike most here - you play on roulette simulator and that you are willing to back up your claims. The only thing - is that you are too attached to the semantics and your approach, that you end up arguing with people when it's unnecessary. In other words, you are too immersed in content - and don't have much view of the structure. Once you realize this, you will be able to teach other people more effectively, if that's what you wish to do.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 04:31 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 08, 04:16 PM 2020
I don't think you still understood what I wrote. For example, I wrote "XXXXY", and you read it as "XXXDK"

The words that I typed - had a specific meaning, and you seem to be too attached to the identity that you created for yourself - "overcoming math, proving math zombies wrong", etc - that you can't see that you are arguing about the semantics. Read again my post more carefully and what I wrote - without being too attached to the words or the method that you created for yourself.

I respect the fact that unlike most here - you play on roulette simulator and that you are willing to back up your claims. The only thing - is that you are too attached to the semantics and your approach, that you end up arguing with people when it's unnecessary. In other words, you are too immersed in content - and don't have much view of the structure. Once you realize this, you will be able to teach other people more effectively, if that's what you wish to do.

I get to decide what things mean to me when I read them, control freak bitch. I have been taking damaged conceptions and inferences off the mathBoyz and the mathNazi's for decades. I'm not projecting anything here.  It's you with your subjective compulsion to pigeonhole the process of communication over a need for semantics. It ain't semantics. It's specific. It's in your head as some kind of rhetorical manifestation. It's not that important to communicate if all you want to do is lecture me on how your words are sufficient, especially since in your mind I misunderstood them. Screw you and your position on increasing an ability to predict things.  Did that pass the semantics test? I know what I'm doing. You have clearly made it known that you don't think I know what I'm doing. Thanks a heap Sigmund F.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 08, 04:41 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 04:31 PM 2020
I get to decide what things mean to me when I read them, control freak bitch. I have been taking damaged conceptions and inferences off the mathBoyz and the mathNazi's for decades. I'm not projecting anything here.  It's you with your subjective compulsion to pigeonhole the process of communication over a need for semantics. It ain't semantics. It's specific. It's in your head as some kind of rhetorical manifestation. It's not that important to communicate if all you want to do is lecture me on how your words are sufficient, especially since in your mind I misunderstood them. Screw you and your position on increasing an ability to predict things.  Did that pass the semantics test? I know what I'm doing. You have clearly made it known that you don't think I know what I'm doing. Thanks a heap Sigmund F.

I now understand why Moxy is trolling you - good work Moxy.

Somehow you twisted my words, became very offended, and now once again your defensive/impulsive attitude came out. 

You are claiming you are not projecting - but you clearly are. And that's a huge red flag for me. In fact, it is beyond hilarious.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 04:49 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 08, 04:41 PM 2020
I now understand why Moxy is trolling you - good work Moxy.

Somehow you twisted my words, became very offended, and now once again your defensive/impulsive attitude came out. 

You are claiming you are not projecting - but you clearly are. And that's a huge red flag for me. In fact, it is beyond hilarious.

Good, you are insulted. Course this could just be semantics. Why not drop the pretense and posturing and actually make your point. Stop with the BS of how you are misunderstood and communicate what exactly you think I got wrong. You do the work, the heavy lifting, of being understood.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 04:50 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 04:31 PM 2020
I get to decide what things mean to me when I read them, control freak bitch. I have been taking damaged conceptions and inferences off the mathBoyz and the mathNazi's for decades. I'm not projecting anything here.  It's you with your subjective compulsion to pigeonhole the process of communication over a need for semantics. It ain't semantics. It's specific. It's in your head as some kind of rhetorical manifestation. It's not that important to communicate if all you want to do is lecture me on how your words are sufficient, especially since in your mind I misunderstood them. Screw you and your position on increasing an ability to predict things.  Did that pass the semantics test? I know what I'm doing. You have clearly made it known that you don't think I know what I'm doing. Thanks a heap Sigmund F.

Come on, bruh.  What are you really doing here?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 04:57 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 04:50 PM 2020
Come on, bruh.  What are you really doing here?
taking a sh*t wherever you are, fly.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 05:00 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 04:57 PM 2020
taking a sh*t wherever you are, fly.

Sadomasochist?  Or something else?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 08, 05:04 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 04:49 PM 2020
Good, you are insulted. Course this could just be semantics. Why not drop the pretense and posturing and actually make your point. Stop with the BS of how you are misunderstood and communicate what exactly you think I got wrong. You do the work, the heavy lifting, of being understood.

You need to cultivate next-generation eyeballs and enhance end-to-end swarms
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 05:09 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 08, 05:04 PM 2020
You need to cultivate next-generation eyeballs and enhance end-to-end swarms

G-Mo gets insulted when conventional language is used to try to grasp his abstract speak.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 06:19 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 05:00 PM 2020
Sadomasochist?  Or something else?

Are you really that stupid?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 06:20 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 05:09 PM 2020

G-Mo gets insulted when conventional language is used to try to grasp his abstract speak.

Recruiting for the big breakfast?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 08, 06:23 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 05:09 PM 2020

G-Mo gets insulted when conventional language is used to try to grasp his abstract speak.

Yup, I now understood the brilliance of your posts
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 06:36 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 08, 06:23 PM 2020
Yup, I now understood the brilliance of your posts

great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:26 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 06:36 PM 2020
great minds think alike.

I have to speak in code for smart folks like you to grasp. 

I digress; smart folks like you tend to get a tad over-zealous with their "verbage" and it's a tad cringe-y.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:36 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 06:19 PM 2020
Are you really that stupid?

Maybe trying to fulfill a certain c-plex?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 07:39 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:26 PM 2020
I have to speak in code for smart folks like you to grasp. 

I digress; smart folks like you tend to get a tad over-zealous with their "verbage" and it's a tad cringe-y. [sic] it's "cringey."

You have never left the main subject. You are a troll. Your contribution on this forum is mostly a buzzing pest. You are still a buzzing pest.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 07:43 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:36 PM 2020
Maybe trying to fulfill a certain c-plex?

Oh, are you really?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:45 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 07:43 PM 2020
Oh, are you really?

You, silly.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 07:48 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:45 PM 2020
You, silly.

I know you are but what am I?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:52 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 07:48 PM 2020
I know you are but what am I?

A silly goose.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 08, 08:55 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 08, 07:52 PM 2020A silly goose.
I know you are but what am I?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Herby on Jun 09, 08:57 AM 2020
Hi Mark,
I still follow your results on RS
still impressiv, so keep on going and forget the low IQ creatures
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 09:32 AM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 09, 08:57 AM 2020
Hi Mark,
I still follow your results on RS
still impressiv, so keep on going and forget the low IQ creatures

Thanks,

It's a fascinating test.  As you raise your base value bet you narrow the headroom to maneuver.  Headroom is a concept of not overloading the op-amps in a sound board chain of signals in a sound system or recording equipment. This mostly applied to analog equipment and the topic on clipping.  That phrase still exists today in digital equipment where you never over process the digital signal. There is a point where a computer processor can no longer support the full dynamic range. Well this headroom process applies to strategic MM.  Progression players run out of headroom when their bets max out the table limits  or their bankroll no longer supports the MM structure required to support it.

With RR you need room to maneuver.  You must be able to outlast the losing grinds.  Every once in a while you see me descend down to the 3000 limit down.  I play more cautiously when I get closer to the hard break. I actually dig in and play like I should always play.  But I do like to win sessions playing more loosely.

I wonder when how many sessions or spins are enough to even suggest a state of validation for RR?  I was proud of my first student that reached a 2 to 1 win rate betting on EC bets in only one month of instructions and a following month of establishing that win to loss ratio.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 10:18 AM 2020
Cool, I just broke thru to the top 100:

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 10:42 AM 2020
Moving forward with this strategy online. I have decided to try out $15 win stop session points.  So that you can relate to what I do, if you are graphing my spins in my live play chart, I have a base volute bet now of 10 per chip. So it's a $1 bet or a $170 to $210 bet. I also move up to double or double double of that base value for attacking opportunities.

So to apply that to an online casino, in order to see if they are targeting (cheating ), I will use $5 as the base value bet on any outside EC bet. If I double that amount it will be $10, and $20 if I double double. My virtual bets will be $1 bets on any EC. So since I'm using a much smaller base bet value I guess I will test with a $150 to $300 bankroll. I don't lose when I stay at minimal values that fit inside the headroom of the bankroll. Funny, I'm learning what works and does not work because of Roulette Simulator. This headroom and the real way that I play, including all my bet selections. Why did it take me decades to discover what this sim does? The telemetry and tracking are superb.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 09, 03:39 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 09, 08:57 AM 2020
Hi Mark,
I still follow your results on RS
still impressiv, so keep on going and forget the low IQ creatures

Sure thing, Rider. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 09, 03:45 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 09:32 AM 2020
Thanks,

With RR you need room to maneuver.  You must be able to outlast the losing grinds.  Every once in a while you see me descend down to the 3000 limit down.  I play more cautiously when I get closer to the hard break. I actually dig in and play like I should always play.  But I do like to win sessions playing more loosely.

I wonder when how many sessions or spins are enough to even suggest a state of validation for RR?  I was proud of my first student that reached a 2 to 1 win rate betting on EC bets in only one month of instructions and a following month of establishing that win to loss ratio.

Operation Scorched Industry on schedule.  When does the calvary march?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 03:52 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 09, 03:45 PM 2020
Operation Scorched Industry on schedule.  When does the calvary march?

What everyone wants to really know is if you are going to get in on it or not?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 09, 04:10 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 03:52 PM 2020
What everyone wants to really know is if you are going to get in on it or not?

Let me gather the calvary on my end.  We shall all ride into battleground.  That'll learn 'em.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 04:11 PM 2020
Here, I just ran this off to show a person on the other forum how to visualise a win streak without the graph function. So I posted this example of only betting on the Reds. But look at the L / H section. There is a perfect sequence of singles on the weak side. That's a wonderful stretch of spins.




W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP
   |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  96  --  37 ( $ -1260 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  97  --  14 ( $ -1170 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  98  --  27 ( $ -1080 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  99  --  27 ( $ -990 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  100  --  14 ( $ -900 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  101  --  19 ( $ -810 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  102  --  25 ( $ -720 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  103  --  36 ( $ -630 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  104  --  31 ( $ -720 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  105  --  30 ( $ -630 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  106  --  24 ( $ -720 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  107  --  13 ( $ -810 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  108  --  21 ( $ -720 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  109  --  26 ( $ -810 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  110  --  09 ( $ -720 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  111  --  23 ( $ -630 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  112  --  21 ( $ -540 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  113  --  23 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  114  --  25 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  115  --  02 ( $ -450 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  116  --  24 ( $ -540 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  117  --  22 ( $ -630 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  118  --  24 ( $ -720 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  119  --  36 ( $ -630 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  120  --  24 ( $ -720 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  121  --  21 ( $ -630 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  122  --  05 ( $ -540 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  123  --  21 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  124  --  23 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  125  --  22 ( $ -450 ) Red
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 04:21 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 09, 04:10 PM 2020
Let me gather the calvary on my end.  We shall all ride into battleground.  That'll learn 'em.
Do you have a working method that is a well kept secret?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 09, 06:18 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 09, 04:21 PM 2020
Do you have a working method that is a well kept secret?

Nah.  I'm irrelevant here.  But in another realm, we could have tea and discourse. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 10, 07:34 AM 2020
This Roulette Simulator stuff has taught me something new.  The headroom for $10 chips needs to be near $4,000 not $3,000.  That is based on flat betting at a max of $200 bets. So no double or double double bets allowed at that $3,000 set level. It also means that online betting for me must be kept at $20 max bets and a $400 bankroll in order to validate cheating or not. I still want to use all six of my groups with all 12 sets that make them up. This change will require far more patience and control. But that has always been my nemesis. It's a slight difference than the 7 net losses. This is 20 net losses. So I will adjust my play now and see if I can still win well enough to make it all worth it.

I think I will drop back to $54 wins, but without ever doubling down at a higher flat bet level until recovery occurs.  This might confirm that my suspicions about online cheating are wrong. It all comes down to headroom and flat betting the attacking plays.  It does not matter to climb the leader ladder. That's nice but it doesn't confirm a real working system. There are a lot of progression players up there.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 10, 11:42 AM 2020
Just figured out a way to use 3,000. I just make the bets 8 per number instead of 10 so that a session ends right around 500 with three net wins. That's what I'll try to do from now on. Still, no more doubles or double double laziness either.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 10, 01:08 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 10, 11:42 AM 2020
Just figured out a way to use 3,000. I just make the bets 8 per number instead of 10 so that a session ends right around 500 with three net wins. That's what I'll try to do from now on. Still, no more doubles or double double laziness either.

So did I.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 10, 01:09 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 10, 07:34 AM 2020
This Roulette Simulator stuff has taught me something new.  The headroom for $10 chips needs to be near $4,000 not $3,000.  That is based on flat betting at a max of $200 bets. So no double or double double bets allowed at that $3,000 set level. It also means that online betting for me must be kept at $20 max bets and a $400 bankroll in order to validate cheating or not. I still want to use all six of my groups with all 12 sets that make them up. This change will require far more patience and control. But that has always been my nemesis. It's a slight difference than the 7 net losses. This is 20 net losses. So I will adjust my play now and see if I can still win well enough to make it all worth it.

I think I will drop back to $54 wins, but without ever doubling down at a higher flat bet level until recovery occurs.  This might confirm that my suspicions about online cheating are wrong. It all comes down to headroom and flat betting the attacking plays.  It does not matter to climb the leader ladder. That's nice but it doesn't confirm a real working system. There are a lot of progression players up there.

Me too.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 10, 01:26 PM 2020
Gizmo have you ever heard of Apophenia?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 10, 01:29 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 10, 01:26 PM 2020
Gizmo have you ever heard of Apophenia?

Oh boy.   This won't end well.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: swanson on Jun 10, 04:21 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 10, 01:26 PM 2020Apophenia

Apophenia - seeing a connection between unrelated things.

You can relate anything to anything. You can pray for those in Africa for healing and necessities. You can point at the roulette wheel and affect the outcome, not always. You can never prove this, yet this is real.

If demons and Satan can create connections and magically manifest things in our realm that are so bizarre, then what about God? I have been tormented by aliens/demons, so I know some of their capabilities.

No, I am not schizophrenic, because schizophrenia can't magically move things before your very eyes and make things disappear and reappear.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 10, 04:46 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 10, 01:26 PM 2020
Gizmo have you ever heard of Apophenia?

Q.E.D
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 10, 05:49 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 10, 01:26 PM 2020
Gizmo have you ever heard of Apophenia?

And even more: "( apophenia and pareidolia ) Apophenia is the spontaneous perception of connections and meaningfulness of unrelated phenomena. ... Pareidolia is a type of illusion or misperception involving a vague or obscure stimulus being perceived as something clear and distinct.

If you have ever bothered to read what I say you will find that the figure formations that make up the illusion of characterizations are just figments of my capacity to allow them to be created as formations in my mind. I know for a fact that they have no meaningfulness or any magical capacity to improve prediction. In fact they have no powers at all. I have always said it's just coincidence and guessing. I also know that a trend can only continue if it is already happening.

Perhaps Pareidolia is just a kind of confirmation bias or type of scotoma where your mind sees what it wants to see. Ever heard of that?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 11, 09:35 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 10, 05:49 PM 2020
And even more: "( apophenia and pareidolia ) Apophenia is the spontaneous perception of connections and meaningfulness of unrelated phenomena. ... Pareidolia is a type of illusion or misperception involving a vague or obscure stimulus being perceived as something clear and distinct.

If you have ever bothered to read what I say you will find that the figure formations that make up the illusion of characterizations are just figments of my capacity to allow them to be created as formations in my mind. I know for a fact that they have no meaningfulness or any magical capacity to improve prediction. In fact they have no powers at all. I have always said it's just coincidence and guessing. I also know that a trend can only continue if it is already happening.

Perhaps Pareidolia is just a kind of confirmation bias or type of scotoma where your mind sees what it wants to see. Ever heard of that?

So if your guessing is not improving accuracy why do you give it a fancy name like 'reading random as if the results are any different to random guessing.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 11, 10:49 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 09:35 AM 2020So if your guessing is not improving accuracy why do you give it a fancy name like 'reading random as if the results are any different to random guessing.
So you want the story of how it got its name.  A person named Spike referred to my description of a list of characteristics of trends and patterns as "reading the random" as it was a rudimentary construct. I used that phrase to say it in the present tense. It came out as reading randomness. It exists because of the syntax of the construct.

I have fully explained the relationship between a working win streak and the coincidental occurrences of trends or patterns. They occur at the same time if you are betting on the trend to continue.  I could have named it mathZombies suck.  They ask stupid questions at just the right time too.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Richard Meisel on Jun 11, 11:03 AM 2020
Hi Giz, “To swim against the current of human intuition is a difficult task. ... the human mind is built to identify for each event a definite cause and can, therefore, have a hard time accepting the influence of unrelated or random factors. ... Random processes are fundamental in nature and are ubiquitous in our everyday lives, yet most people do not understand them or think much about them.”

â€"Leonard Mlodinow, “The Drunkard’s Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives.”
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 11, 11:54 AM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Jun 11, 11:03 AM 2020
Hi Giz, “To swim against the current of human intuition is a difficult task. ... the human mind is built to identify for each event a definite cause and can, therefore, have a hard time accepting the influence of unrelated or random factors. ... Random processes are fundamental in nature and are ubiquitous in our everyday lives, yet most people do not understand them or think much about them.”

â€"Leonard Mlodinow, “The Drunkard’s Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives.”

People like to equate meaning to abstract things that have no related connections. I've been dealing with critics for two decades. They like to assume that all this is a claim of prediction. It's a straw man implanted in their brains by their own doing. They hear someone else say it so they assume that I claimed it. Of course they are right. Any right thinking person knows that much. So I'm perceived as a crackpot.  Only one problem with that conclusion. It's not me that is exposed.

Randomness is everywhere. Some people see a stretch of hot days and think that it is proof or evidence of global warming.  It's just random chaos. The mind sees what it wants to see. I know that the data coming to me is real. It is clear evidence that a win streak is in a current state of continuing.  It's not a magical wished for thing. It is just a coincidence that I'm there at the same time that it is occurring. 

I created it because I constructed the evidence of its existence in the syntax of a language of characteristics. And it did the one thing that I was guessing that it could or might do. It continues. So I bet big while it continues and bet small when it does not. I have constructed a process to take out win streaks.

It's one of the great things about casinos. They expect you to have these streaks but they also expect you to want even more and then to give it all back in the process of trying to get more.  This is not a game against the odds. It's a game against your own human nature. So if you are caught up looking at the polka dotted unicorns then you are part of the process for which things don't work.

Why try to beat the odds. You can't beat the odds if you try to outfox the odds. It's not there. It never will be. You must use something else. I use guessing and coincidence.

People are all focused on trying to win with a combination of progressions and targeted repeats. That's the odds. It probably will be discarded soon enough. Some will have great luck with it and some will not.  People will attach meaning to it. It's funny to me because they all get what everyone gets in the end. Some get win streaks and some do not. They can't target the win streaks because the packets of data are too large.

It takes 300 spins to get a win streak for instance. It's so big that you can't help but be right up against it. You can't back away from it to see the bigger picture.  It's like standing at the edge of a forest and looking into it and seeing your range of visibility diminish as trees cover your field of view. But if you could stand back on an adjacent hill you could see the full forest and what it has to offer, including the mountain view behind it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 11, 02:35 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 11, 11:54 AM 2020
People like to equate meaning to abstract things that have no related connections. I've been dealing with critics for two decades. They like to assume that all this is a claim of prediction. It's a straw man implanted in their brains by their own doing. They hear someone else say it so they assume that I claimed it. Of course they are right. Any right thinking person knows that much. So I'm perceived as a crackpot.  Only one problem with that conclusion. It's not me that is exposed.

Randomness is everywhere. Some people see a stretch of hot days and think that it is proof or evidence of global warming.  It's just random chaos. The mind sees what it wants to see. I know that the data coming to me is real. It is clear evidence that a win streak is in a current state of continuing.  It's not a magical wished for thing. It is just a coincidence that I'm there at the same time that it is occurring. 

I created it because I constructed the evidence of its existence in the syntax of a language of characteristics. And it did the one thing that I was guessing that it could or might do. It continues. So I bet big while it continues and bet small when it does not. I have constructed a process to take out win streaks.

It's one of the great things about casinos. They expect you to have these streaks but they also expect you to want even more and then to give it all back in the process of trying to get more.  This is not a game against the odds. It's a game against your own human nature. So if you are caught up looking at the polka dotted unicorns then you are part of the process for which things don't work.

Why try to beat the odds. You can't beat the odds if you try to outfox the odds. It's not there. It never will be. You must use something else. I use guessing and coincidence.

People are all focused on trying to win with a combination of progressions and targeted repeats. That's the odds. It probably will be discarded soon enough. Some will have great luck with it and some will not.  People will attach meaning to it. It's funny to me because they all get what everyone gets in the end. Some get win streaks and some do not. They can't target the win streaks because the packets of data are too large.

It takes 300 spins to get a win streak for instance. It's so big that you can't help but be right up against it. You can't back away from it to see the bigger picture.  It's like standing at the edge of a forest and looking into it and seeing your range of visibility diminish as trees cover your field of view. But if you could stand back on an adjacent hill you could see the full forest and what it has to offer, including the mountain view behind it.

That's what I said.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 12, 10:22 AM 2020
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I program people. They are far better at recognition and execution. It's that quality of using conditional awareness of yet to be identified patterns that makes humans better than computers. To teach a computer to recognize a pattern that is not already in its cluster of types and to have it also recognize the global effect for that new characteristic as well is like asking for every permutation of every number on the wheel. I know what I'm talking about. The computer would need to also place the bets. I've tried it. You can't get the bets down hour after hour without blowing all your brain cells.  It's too difficult. You must use memorized sets from your full EC groups. The trick to programming is for the programmer to teach the computer to do what a human player would do. I happen to understand Reading Randomness and so I can program it, with its fixed 12 sets and 6 groupings of EC's. Do your programmers know Reading Randomness?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 13, 08:52 PM 2020
Here is a great example of a very difficult session. There were 69 rounds.


| B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |
|    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |
|    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |
|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |
|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |
|    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |
| X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |
|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |
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Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 14, 08:56 AM 2020
Giz,
Could you apply roulette results to baccarat? If not directly, could you at least see correlations between roulette results and baccarat results to beat the game? Could you apply any sort of randomness to anything? Say I want to roll an unbiased die and somehow throw this result in the mix of roulette or any type of randomness. Imo, you can relate anything to anything.

I think you stick with roulette because it may give you more even chance opportunities, but I would still like to know if this is possible.



...even more outside of the box, say I want to relate my latest thought, or my local sport team's latest score to roulette results or any type of randomness.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 14, 09:03 AM 2020
Even if these unrelated things are not as profitable, I would still like to know if they're possible.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 14, 10:30 AM 2020
Turbo has a new thread and a possible new direction forming, -- titled : "Math and the art of describing randomness"
link:s://youtu.be/j1dKvoa2ITw

I wrote this in that thread that Wolfie posted:

"This should be good. Just remember this much if nothing else. Math will never tell you when a pattern or trend will start, it won't tell you how long the streak will last, and it will not tell you when the streak will end. But because of these two videos you know that a streak will happen.

You can have an absence of singles in the Red / Black while at the same time have a swarm of singles in the Odd / Even. You can have 20 high numbers in a row in the Low / High grouping while having a swarm of doubles in the Red / Black. Roulette is better than all the other games because you have more opportunities to recognize what has been believed by the majority of people to be anomalies. These factious representations of chaos are in fact common normalization. It's people's minds that get organized to see and relate to things that just don't seem right. When you expect something to happen you are trapped into making decisions that are not likely to evolve. In the one video the tester noticed that the recipient's perception of randomness was mostly limited to one triple and then the occasional double. It was like a poker player's tell. He exploited the weakness in understanding true randomness.

Once you immerse yourself in freeing up your expectations then you open yourself up to a better capacity to observe the now state. Turbo would say that things must happen. I agree. Things, like opportunities, must happen. With Roulette you can have multiple streams of conditional characteristics like described above all occurring at the same time. Most of the times these will be different characteristics. But some gambling sessions also include sequences that a single characteristic will swarm all over the charting data and continue for a much longer period of time. This is the gold mine of gambling. This is the most finest of all opportunities in randomness. Sure, 20 Reds in a row is good. But there will be times when you get 10 Odds followed by 11 high numbers followed by 9 Black numbers, followed by 13 pet numbers from the "Zeros" set, followed by 12 numbers from Kimo Li's "Hemi" set, whatever that is, followed by 8 Red numbers. The characteristic becomes obvious. The human brain can pick this out of a chart in seconds.

The person that tries to see these characteristics through the lens of mathematical formulas or matrix styled pulses will never be able to use visual dexterity to see multiple unique characteristics in opportunity modes. I will be fascinated to see how Turbo applies math to explain randomness. Perhaps it is an expression that math will never explain randomness as far as the absence of large numbers is concerned. One thing is for sure though. You can't have four in a row before you have three in a row."

I hope that this helps you to understand.

Turbo posted this video with these words: "That is part of the topic of my next thread coming soon."

link:s://youtu.be/tP-Ipsat90c



Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 14, 10:39 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 14, 08:56 AM 2020Could you apply roulette results to baccarat?
Yes, although I prefer Craps.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 14, 11:40 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 13, 08:52 PM 2020Here is a great example of a very difficult session. There were 69 rounds.
Giz,
After the 31st result you have --------------- going through B,R,O,E,L,H. What does this mean? Was there a zero or double zero or something?

Are 0 and 6 just another 18 numbers you track? If they are, are zero or double zero included in any of these? What's P and S? Are these another 18 numbers, with 9 numbers overlapping into each category of P and S?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 14, 11:44 AM 2020
Yes, ---------------------- is a zero.

It's all explained at another forum where you must log in in order to see all the images in full size. I tell where in my signature here. You need to assemble the link as software here clobbers the URLs.

"Reading Randomness is a single thread. It is backed up by a software instruction thread and software download threads. The Even Chance Pro 1.4 version is the best version to practice on.
gamblingforums dot com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/ "

It is discussed here because many players here have been working on it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Elite on Jun 15, 09:22 AM 2020
Am I reading randomness correctly.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 15, 09:50 AM 2020
Quote from: Elite on Jun 15, 09:22 AM 2020
Am I reading randomness correctly.

Perhaps. I have 3 groups that are made up from the American wheel configuration. These are my own pet groupings. These groups work regardless of European or American configurations. It's just the size of these groups and their two sets that matters. The American configurations are based on spokes of three or 9 numbers in each set. They are opposite or opposite and perpendicular to each other combined. Then there is a magical belief set and its opposite. I call that set the Specials. These are my own personal and already memorized sets and groups. You can make up your own and practice with index cards and ink pens. You might already have Kimo Li's sets and groupings memorized. It does not matter.

What matters is that your sets and groups will go into streaks at the same time that win streaks occur. That is the only reason that I use them and all the different characteristics. I'm just hunting win streaks and using trends and patterns to identify them. On their own the trends and patterns are meaningless and have no power to cause anything.

If you want almost all the information on this then go to the link that needs assembly in my signature of each post here.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Elite on Jun 15, 11:56 AM 2020
Good info Giz, keeping this system,  i made Black Jack bet behind system, that system is place same unit  as someone win , if win 2 then put 2 units, or 20 based on basic unit available, this way winning streak of someone can be catch, i play this if someone has win 3 or more times,  didnt, test much,  I  believe u win more , as patterns are natural to come 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 15, 12:30 PM 2020
Quote from: Elite on Jun 15, 11:56 AM 2020
Good info Giz, keeping this system,  i made Black Jack bet behind system, that system is place same unit  as someone win , if win 2 then put 2 units, or 20 based on basic unit available, this way winning streak of someone can be catch, i play this if someone has win 3 or more times,  didnt, test much,  I  believe u win more , as patterns are natural to come

I was with a friend at a casino once that liked to play Blackjack. The table he was at was right next to a Roulette wheel that I was also tracking. So I was standing next to him on a crowded Blackjack table watching him and the wheel at the same time. I noticed that he would win two bets and lose one bet in a perfect sequence after a while. So I told him when to bet big and when to bet the minimum. It worked perfectly for about 30 minutes. He was blown away. I would just say bet big or bet small and never bothered to explain it. He had one of his best gambling nights ever. Meanwhile nothing looked that good on the Roulette wheel. It was funny.  I tried to tell him but he just could not believe it. People started looking at me like what the heck is going on.  I don't like Blackjack. It depends on what the players play. Craps is more or less randomness. If there was a shooter I would just see it as a trend.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 15, 01:37 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 15, 12:30 PM 2020
I was with a friend at a casino once that liked to play Blackjack. The table he was at was right next to a Roulette wheel that I was also tracking. So I was standing next to him on a crowded Blackjack table watching him and the wheel at the same time. I noticed that he would win two bets and lose one bet in a perfect sequence after a while. So I told him when to bet big and when to bet the minimum. It worked perfectly for about 30 minutes. He was blown away. I would just say bet big or bet small and never bothered to explain it. He had one of his best gambling nights ever. Meanwhile nothing looked that good on the Roulette wheel. It was funny.  I tried to tell him but he just could not believe it. People started looking at me like what the heck is going on.  I don't like Blackjack. It depends on what the players play. Craps is more or less randomness. If there was a shooter I would just see it as a trend.

Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman ain't got jack on you two.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 16, 08:09 AM 2020
Hi Gizmotron2,   

In 150 spins, an american wheel will produce about 4 more greens (zeros) than a european wheel. Shouldn't you shift your aim from +3 units to +6 or +7 if you play european roulette?

I understand you can have your own reasons to keep the goalpost at +3. Maybe it is just your habit and you prefer to do it this way. Maybe it is a self control thing; maybe you just believe that the probabilities don't matter much, especially since you have your own groupings that include zeros.

What about if you play using the french version (half-back rule) on even chances? Would you suggest to move the goalposts then, at least for the times you hit an even chance bet?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 16, 09:15 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 16, 08:09 AM 2020I understand you can have your own reasons to keep the goalpost at +3.
I have a reason to ignore the odds. It's like a small tax for winning.  I want my income so I must pay my tax. You would not quit your job because you must pay a tax would you? I picked three net wins because of the very small size of the waves in the up & down graphs.

I watch for swarms of zeros. When they happen I use the sets that have zeros in them when that happens. You can see them very quickly if you chart in order to see them very quickly.


W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP
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nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  176  --  12
nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  177  --  11
nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  178  --  11
nb|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  179  --  37
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nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  186  --  31
nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  187  --  01
nb| X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  188  --  13
nb|    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  189  --  27
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nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  197  --  06
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nb|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  199  --  37
nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  200  --  31
nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  201  --  03
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nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  205  --  12



Can you see them?

My live play charts or designed to let me see characteristics faster than any of the very lame charts that other players use. I was gifted by God to do it this way. I shared it with the world because it makes sense to share to with the world. I generally like people, especially those that appear to have worked hard to figure things out, including how life works.  But as we all know we have zeros there too. I have even discovered that there are zeros masquerader as Christians among their groupings too. What can you say? People are what they are.  That thing about the truth setting you free. I have discovered that I'm not so much in a hurry to correct anyone else or to categorize them or their failings using the bible as a weapon.  It's none of my fvcking business really. If a person wants to be a stupid sh't then I'm happy enough to let them be. I can't change anyone. It's a royal pain in the asteroids to try. There is someone that does that job nicely and he has it all worked out. So, I'm not really concerned about the zeros. It's just one or two more slots on what is otherwise my own personal ATM machine.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 16, 11:30 AM 2020
Is a swarm a group or groups hitting in a series, like r,r,r,b,b,b? Sometimes I see things go into a working state, like a domination of groups hitting as singles, like x,000,x,00, then I wait for it to hit as a series, like x,000,x,00,xx,0,x, bet 0. I'm I close to understanding any of your teachings at all?

I spend a lot of my freetime on my own robotic type of bet, instead of learning from your gamblingforum thread. I know of no logical reason why a sequence wouldn't appear as often as any, but from my research, this appears to be the case. Also, I hate all progression.

According to the bible, we aren't suppossed to pass judgement on others. Also, we aren't suppossed to engage in spiritualism, which is what precog could include. Imo, you can't put limits and rules in stone when it comes to God. I believe He can even guide someone on a temporary path of Satanism just to discover the truth.

In the bible, Jesus breaks the sabbath to engage in the greater good of healing someone, so could we break commandments to achieve a greater good?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 16, 01:42 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 16, 11:30 AM 2020n the bible, Jesus breaks the sabbath to engage in the greater good of healing someone, so could we break commandments to achieve a greater good?
The point was to be set free. Mankind has all kinds of laws and regulations as well as characteristics of good behavior to live together by. Yet we war and strife for other people's possessions while trying real hard to establish a coveted stature. It's human nature that we need being set free of. Using the rules to save yourself is the trap. That includes the rules in the Bible.  You try to save yourself and you will lose your life.  You try to save others by claiming that following the rules will save their lives and you are being worse than the devil.  You are tempting them to save their own lives.  People give themselves away when they try to gain anything from what God has all the control over. There's a hell  of a lot of difference between helping a stranger in need than in helping anyone just to get the attention of others. God's gig is a very strange set of values. Just when you think you know it all you get reminded that you are dogsh*t on parade. I'm contented to just be on the lookout for my next lesson in life. I don't want to be the smartest and wisest. I already know that to get there you must go thru the worst.  Many people know this to be true. Sometimes it's what you don't say that has the biggest effect on others.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 16, 01:51 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 16, 11:30 AM 2020Also, we aren't suppossed to engage in spiritualism, which is what precog could include.
How do you know what precognition is?   The Three Wise Kings made it to the birth of Christ. That was a form of science of the times.  Moses had far more bitchin powers than the Pharaoh's sorcerers with his staff. How do you know that 6th sense capability is not just another form of human nature? You don't. Using the Bible to claim another person is defective is BS. That's judging. It just happens to one of the things that you can get set free of.  Take the cloak of disaster off you shoulders and leave it all to the one that has clearly claimed the right. You will be much happier once you no longer carry that burden. Let other people fuk up their lives. It's OK.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: jono1167 on Jun 16, 07:31 PM 2020
Great work Mark.

I see you are sitting at number 35 on Roulette Simulator, no easy feat.  The charts don't lie.

(link:://Gizmo-A.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 16, 08:11 PM 2020
Quote from: jono1167 on Jun 16, 07:31 PM 2020Great work Mark.
Thanks
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Herby on Jun 17, 12:43 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 16, 08:11 PM 2020Thanks
Take it to the first ten.
You can do it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 07:54 AM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 17, 12:43 AM 2020Take it to the first ten.
You can do it.
I've already planned to take it to number 1. I'll be at 50,000 soon enough. That means that I can double my bets and still stay inside my comfort zone and bankroll.  I'm still trying to figure that out. I like to double up on bet attacking. I also like to have 20 bets in reserve in order to descend in a session. So it looks like it's around 600 for bets and 1200 for attacking bets that are doubled up for 25,000 in bankroll. When I get to 50,000 I can double those amounts and still remain viable. Just trying to figure out the right bankroll to bet ratio. I don't stop at 7 net losses. I stop at 21 net losses. I have never lost three 7 net loss sessions in a row. That is where I get my 21. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 17, 12:42 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 07:54 AM 2020
I've already planned to take it to number 1. I'll be at 50,000 soon enough. That means that I can double my bets and still stay inside my comfort zone and bankroll.  I'm still trying to figure that out. I like to double up on bet attacking. I also like to have 20 bets in reserve in order to descend in a session. So it looks like it's around 600 for bets and 1200 for attacking bets that are doubled up for 25,000 in bankroll. When I get to 50,000 I can double those amounts and still remain viable. Just trying to figure out the right bankroll to bet ratio. I don't stop at 7 net losses. I stop at 21 net losses. I have never lost three 7 net loss sessions in a row. That is where I get my 21.

Oh brother.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 17, 05:23 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 07:54 AM 2020I've already planned to take it to number 1. I'll be at 50,000 soon enough. That means that I can double my bets and still stay inside my comfort zone and bankroll.  I'm still trying to figure that out. I like to double up on bet attacking. I also like to have 20 bets in reserve in order to descend in a session. So it looks like it's around 600 for bets and 1200 for attacking bets that are doubled up for 25,000 in bankroll. When I get to 50,000 I can double those amounts and still remain viable. Just trying to figure out the right bankroll to bet ratio. I don't stop at 7 net losses. I stop at 21 net losses. I have never lost three 7 net loss sessions in a row. That is where I get my 21. 
Why don't you validate your method on mpr? I hear there are tons of millionaires on roulette simulator, because it's rigged to make players feel like they have a winning edge, so they'll gamble.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 05:39 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 17, 05:23 PM 2020
Why don't you validate your method on mpr? I hear there are tons of millionaires on roulette simulator, because it's rigged to make players feel like they have a winning edge, so they'll gamble.

What scripture is that from?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 10:41 PM 2020
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Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 17, 11:41 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 10:41 PM 2020
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Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 18, 08:02 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 17, 05:23 PM 2020Why don't you validate your method on mpr? I hear there are tons of millionaires on roulette simulator, because it's rigged to make players feel like they have a winning edge, so they'll gamble.
I don't want you to think you are achieving great success to only lose to the casino when it comes to real money.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 11:11 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 18, 08:02 AM 2020
I don't want you to think you are achieving great success to only lose to the casino when it comes to real money.

So don't worry about it. My successes on R-sim comes from years of live play with real money.  Like I have stated. This is how I really play. Those first several days were all about strict self control. I have proven that point twice in public demonstration At MPR and R-Sim. Now I'm just pulling off a stunt to go for #1.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 18, 11:44 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 11:11 AM 2020
So don't worry about it. My successes on R-sim comes from years of live play with real money.  Like I have stated. This is how I really play. Those first several days were all about strict self control. I have proven that point twice in public demonstration At MPR and R-Sim. Now I'm just pulling off a stunt to go for #1.

For the love of... 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 02:29 PM 2020
can't help myself, it's boring....
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 18, 02:38 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 02:29 PM 2020
can't help myself, it's boring....

Why did you lose so big on RS?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 02:52 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 02:38 PM 2020Why did you lose so big on RS?
Just bored to death with grinding out the wins. My real play is to take small amounts from the casinos. I forced it up there pretty quick though. I have other things I want to do and this was a distraction. I just use small earnings to offset travel costs. If you go online and grind out just $15 per session you can get $450 in 30 sessions. This lock down looks like it will need to go for another year for me, if I live that long. Casinos are out for now, even though they are opening.  It's stay put. I'm stuck and bored.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 02:52 PM 2020
Just bored to death with grinding out the wins. My real play is to take small amounts from the casinos. I forced it up there pretty quick though. I have other things I want to do and this was a distraction. I just use small earnings to offset travel costs. If you go online and grind out just $15 per session you can get $450 in 30 sessions. This lock down looks like it will need to go for another year for me, if I live that long. Casinos are out for now, even though they are opening.  It's stay put. I'm stuck and bored.


So you got bored and you lost on purpose?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 18, 03:20 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 02:52 PM 2020
Just bored to death with grinding out the wins. My real play is to take small amounts from the casinos. I forced it up there pretty quick though. I have other things I want to do and this was a distraction. I just use small earnings to offset travel costs. If you go online and grind out just $15 per session you can get $450 in 30 sessions. This lock down looks like it will need to go for another year for me, if I live that long. Casinos are out for now, even though they are opening.  It's stay put. I'm stuck and bored.

I don't think you should give up. Reading randomness has potential and you were doing well just try again I'm sure you can get it all back.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 03:22 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2020

So you got bored and you lost on purpose?

No, not exactly. I just picked a long shot bet and would ride it down and up and down like a jackass. It was pure dummy-dick tactics. It could have gone on a wild win streak. I didn't care anymore. I had already made my point.  If people look at how I started out with those games at 54 then they will see what to do. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 03:26 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 03:20 PM 2020I don't think you should give up. Reading randomness has potential and you were doing well just try again I'm sure you can get it all back.
It's already exposed. It's out there in the mainstream. Somebody asked me some specific questions over at the other forum about RR. I answered them and shown the level at which I think when I make bet selections. The thread is called "Learning from the Masters" started by someone there in the Roulette section. That is the only interest that I have at all at this point. He asked the questions right so I answered them.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 18, 03:42 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 03:26 PM 2020
It's already exposed. It's out there in the mainstream. Somebody asked me some specific questions over at the other forum about RR. I answered them and shown the level at which I think when I make bet selections. The thread is called "Learning from the Masters" started by someone there in the Roulette section. That is the only interest that I have at all at this point. He asked the questions right so I answered them.

Okie Dokie
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 09:11 PM 2020
I figured out a way to make it interesting for me. All this examination of hot numbers has people betting on just a few numbers at a time. This allows for smaller bankrolls, even with progressions.  I think combo bet hunting is much faster and agile than searching for the hottest numbers. It also allows me to wait out spins with virtual bets, you know those bets that don't change the math according to ritual beliefs. So I will be using the combo bets for all three from my 6 groupings and 12 sets to aggregate a 4 or 5 number bet or any single finale bet of 3 or 4 in that selection. I'll just pick up where I am right now and use a small win stop point as usual. You hot number (repeat) hunters might get a kick out of all this. I can wait for combinations to look like they are forming or a hot repeat or swarm in the finales to form and not have to feed the demon as I wait.  If you are on a repeater you can't sit out bets. I should do fine. 3,000 is a monster sized bankroll if all you are going for is about 50+ units
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 09:25 PM 2020
There, caught a ( red - even - high ) on the first step of a double down. Only 4 numbers in that combo. Didn't take long and I blew right past 50.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 09:44 PM 2020
There, that was easy. Caught a finale in the 5's.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 18, 11:15 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 09:44 PM 2020
There, that was easy. Caught a finale in the 5's.

Unrecognizably scorched.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 11:30 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 18, 11:15 PM 2020
Unrecognizably scorched.

Why don't you get a hobby? That's a secret code phrase that triggers "get a life."
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 19, 06:47 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 18, 11:15 PM 2020Unrecognizably scorched.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 11:30 PM 2020Why don't you get a hobby? That's a secret code phrase that triggers "get a life."
And the abolitionist statues live on
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 19, 09:53 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 19, 06:47 PM 2020
And the abolitionist statues live on

Steve Austin 3:16

"Thou shalt not bed thy sister."
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Jun 19, 10:44 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 09:25 PM 2020
There, caught a ( red - even - high ) on the first step of a double down. Only 4 numbers in that combo. Didn't take long and I blew right past 50.

Exactly what's the point of the chart you attached? It just looks like some loses, then a recovery. It happens all the time even with random bets.

What's it supposed to prove exactly?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 19, 11:53 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 10:44 PM 2020
Exactly what's the point of the chart you attached? It just looks like some loses, then a recovery. It happens all the time even with random bets.

What's it supposed to prove exactly?

Thank God, (scripture excluded). Somebody noticed all this.  ( ubiquitous duh moment! ) I got bored to death from eking  out a simple wave structure of a continuous example of wins. I proved my point with the 50 wins in a row at 54 on average for win stops.  I was looking at other examples of getting to high marks so then decided to strike upward fast and went for super guru above 100,000. That was easy too. It's all boring to death. So I have gone into a phase of dogshit play. I'm doing the doggy doo method. It's less boring and all I do is chase BS to die. Death is just as rewarding as poop from #1. I like to experience both sides of kookville. Steve, it does not surprise me that it's you that asked the first and best question.

I can't plug away each day focused on these sims. I made my point. I'm very good if I want to win and I set the stop point very low.  I  like humor and camaraderie. Those of us that really gamble sort of enjoy each other.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Jun 20, 12:35 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 19, 11:53 PM 2020I  like humor and camaraderie.

And I like boobs
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 20, 12:49 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 12:35 AM 2020And I like boobs
That seems to be a chronic ailment of every rock star that I ever met. I told one guy that their band had the same problem as many very good bands. They have "hit-llitis." He said that all he had wss Tit-llitis."
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Jun 20, 02:10 AM 2020
It's a curse.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 20, 12:04 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 02:10 AM 2020
It's a curse.

OK, all my work is properly camouflaged. Many people will now look at it as a fail.   (sinister)
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Kairomancer on Jun 20, 12:20 PM 2020
 :lol:

I think your method has great potential, if you can correctly identify the working conditions are in sync with your betting.

If you are out of sync nothing will help you to make it work, other than a sudden change.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 20, 02:37 PM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 20, 12:20 PM 2020I think your method has great potential, if you can correctly identify the working conditions are in sync with your betting.

If you are out of sync nothing will help you to make it work, other than a sudden change.
All it takes for me is to decide to win. I then do all the work and patience required to get my three net wins. I can do it at will just about every time. I have never failed to gain the upper hand when I use 20 times my double down base level bet.  By example a $1 chip value goal would be $54 as a won session. At $2, the double down value, a single net win is $36. That means that a bankroll of $720 is needed to go after $54. I can slide so far down that I can always recover. That is because the losing streaks don't last that long.  Here is the deal with all this. I probe for mini upticks as mini streaks. I grind my way back up. I know I can recover if I'm just willing to wage the war to do it. It requires intense concentration to see the working mini win options.  I'm hunting thru 12 different sets in just a few seconds. When one group is flat another can give up a single win. I just plug away. Everything changes. These changes last for a while but the best win is the first win off of these changes. That is why you see me quieting on long streaks all the time. It's better to take the win and keep it than to keep going and take the loss that must come when the trend ends.  I do this that way because I'm betting into micro trends. I'm all about the changes and getting 1 net win off of it.  When you stay for two in a row you get a loss half the time. Then you need another win just to get back to that first win.  That requires more wins. In other words trends give up 1 win easier than they give up 2. I often bet 1 whole valued bet and if it's a monster sized streak I will bet a next bet at half the value on the same trend.

This way you are playing a game of the quality of changes. Each bet is not that important. You play the stretches of changes for an aggregate plus from the stretch.

I use to play all day long for the monster win streak and then explode on the casino. It works too. It's just all wrong for me.  I like the slow grind from the minimal exploitation now. It's consistent.  Now I shared all this. I demonstrated it. I taught it. It's out there. I show it off with the slow grind and then the flash to the top level. I made it to top 14. That's all a joke. My slow steady, always win, is the right way for me.  All this grabbing the top spot stuff is just a giant trudge. It's more like getting stuck climbing the same easy beginner rock climbing route. After a few times you can do it in your sleep.  I don't want to put primary strong focus into an unrewarding activity.  That's all that is.

So I have no problem focusing when I want to. Once it becomes boring and I get lazy it all burns up in a plane crash.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 20, 02:44 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 20, 02:37 PM 2020
All it takes for me is to decide to win. I then do all the work and patience required to get my three net wins. I can do it at will just about every time. I have never failed to gain the upper hand when I use 20 times my double down base level bet.  By example a $1 chip value goal would be $54 as a won session. At $2, the double down value, a single net win is $36. That means that a bankroll of $720 is needed to go after $54. I can slide so far down that I can always recover. That is because the losing streaks don't last that long.  Here is the deal with all this. I probe for mini upticks as mini streaks. I grind my way back up. I know I can recover if I'm just willing to wage the war to do it. It requires intense concentration to see the working mini win options.  I'm hunting thru 12 different sets in just a few seconds. When one group is flat another can give up a single win. I just plug away. Everything changes. These changes last for a while but the best win is the first win off of these changes. That is why you see me quieting on long streaks all the time. It's better to take the win and keep it than to keep going and take the loss that must come when the trend ends.  I do this that way because I'm betting into micro trends. I'm all about the changes and getting 1 net win off of it.  When you stay for two in a row you get a loss half the time. Then you need another win just to get back to that first win.  That requires more wins. In other words trends give up 1 win easier than they give up 2. I often bet 1 whole valued bet and if it's a monster sized streak I will bet a next bet at half the value on the same trend.

This way you are playing a game of the quality of changes. Each bet is not that important. You play the stretches of changes for an aggregate plus from the stretch.

I use to play all day long for the monster win streak and then explode on the casino. It works too. It's just all wrong for me.  I like the slow grind from the minimal exploitation now. It's consistent.  Now I shared all this. I demonstrated it. I taught it. It's out there. I show it off with the slow grind and then the flash to the top level. I made it to top 14. That's all a joke. My slow steady, always win, is the right way for me.  All this grabbing the top spot stuff is just a giant trudge. It's more like getting stuck climbing the same easy beginner rock climbing route. After a few times you can do it in your sleep.  I don't want to put primary strong focus into an unrewarding activity.  That's all that is.

So I have no problem focusing when I want to. Once it becomes boring and I get lazy it all burns up in a plane crash.

Beyond recognition.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 20, 03:04 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 20, 02:44 PM 2020Beyond recognition.
Thanks for your insightful contribution to discussion.  You have always been a valued member of this forum.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 20, 11:05 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 20, 03:04 PM 2020Thanks for your insightful contribution to discussion. 
No problem.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 20, 03:04 PM 2020You have always been a valued member of this forum.
Thanks.

Your anti-abolitionist ways are gonna catch up to you in the end. Go ahead and burn Washington's statue. He gave you this wonderful country after all. So let's abolish the police and have the strongest criminals run our cities.
The Italians protected their Christopher Columbus statue.
Looks like the "peaceful" "protesters" are having trouble in Seattle. Some "Summer of Love". What a great democratic mayor they have. Huh?

Go rent a riot, BLM thugs!!!!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 20, 11:25 PM 2020
The police officer in Atlanta got 11 charges, including felony murder, for doing his job. How cool! We can loot and riot, like a baby, and get everything handed over to us.
Several officers in the past have been cleared and/or not even charged for shooting someone who stole their taser and shot it at them. Now, it's a free for all, spit on the cops, do whatever you want to police idiot fest. This same district attorney just said, 2 weeks ago, that using a taser is considered deadly force. I guess that rule only applies to the police.
Anyone who votes democratic from now on clearly has nothing between their ears. They are a national security threat. They mishandled covid. Look at the statistics. They watched their cities burn during the riots, refusing help from Trump. Look at the statistics.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 20, 11:26 PM 2020
 
Quote from: pepper on Jun 20, 11:05 PM 2020
No problem.Thanks.

Your anti-abolitionist ways are gonna catch up to you in the end. Go ahead and burn Washington's statue. He gave you this wonderful country after all. So let's abolish the police and have the strongest criminals run our cities.
The Italians protected their Christopher Columbus statue.
Looks like the "peaceful" "protesters" are having trouble in Seattle. Some "Summer of Love". What a great democratic mayor they have. Huh?

Go rent a riot, BLM thugs!!!!

What in the f*** are talking about you fundamentalist tool?

I don't give a flying f*** about the confederate flag one way or the other. 
I don't give a flying f*** about kneeling one way or the other. 
I don't give a flying f*** about the confederate statues one way or the other. 
I don't give a flying f*** about the riots, looting, protests.  It's a waste of time "orchestrated" by the elites and is destroying the little guy along with it.

But, except for the looting and rioting, it's all protected by the 1st amendment.

We got bigger worries with the trillions and trillions in bailout going to the plutocratic elites (corporations) and top 100 billionaires in America in full view with us regular folk getting 300 mil in scraps.

But sheeps will continue to sheep.  Hint, hint.







Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 20, 11:44 PM 2020
Also, its the 21st century. 

Quit damning the lgbtq community, unbaptized babies, atheists, "heathens", pro-choice advocates, Nation of Islam, etc., to hell you religious kooks.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Jun 21, 01:09 AM 2020
Hint: stop thinking your votes make a difference.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 21, 01:37 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 20, 11:26 PM 2020What in the f*** are talking about you fundamentalist tool?

I don't give a flying f*** about the confederate flag one way or the other.
I don't give a flying f*** about kneeling one way or the other.
I don't give a flying f*** about the confederate statues one way or the other.
I don't give a flying f*** about the riots, looting, protests.  It's a waste of time "orchestrated" by the elites and is destroying the little guy along with it.

But, except for the looting and rioting, it's all protected by the 1st amendment.

We got bigger worries with the trillions and trillions in bailout going to the plutocratic elites (corporations) and top 100 billionaires in America in full view with us regular folk getting 300 mil in scraps.

But sheeps will continue to sheep.  Hint, hint.
Not all the statues are even confederates, some are abolitionists.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 21, 01:41 PM 2020
Do you think I should vote?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 21, 02:07 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 21, 01:41 PM 2020
Do you think I should vote?

Yes. But you should vote with your feet. Many people are leaving their crazy states.  If you are just going to bring the same craziness with you then throw yourself under the bus instead.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 21, 03:12 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 21, 02:07 PM 2020Yes. But you should vote with your feet. Many people are leaving their crazy states.  If you are just going to bring the same craziness with you then throw yourself under the bus instead.
So pretty much vote republican if you want law and order and democrat if you want chaos and lies that cover up the chaos and blame it on republicans.
Also, republican, if you want better education and economic development across the board.
Pretty much, if you want anything good, you would choose republican; I haven't seen democrats do anything better.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 22, 11:15 AM 2020
Black Americans in these Liberal run cities are starting to act up that this has all gone far enough. They are demanding that violent law breakers need to stay in jails longer for instance. They are questioning the policies that make these cities more dangerous.  This is where the change will come. If the liberal elites won't do it then these communities will turn to another group that will. It's simple. You add changes to employment practices for police officers and the unions that keep "bad cops" and  you will add to improving everything. Once again, very simple to do.  There is no guarantee that a Republican elitist will act correctly either. You must go on their voting record. Actions speak louder than words. Liking to be lied to makes for an uniformed voter. Don't be that.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 22, 06:51 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 22, 11:15 AM 2020Liking to be lied to makes for an uniformed voter. Don't be that.
Why can't I vote uniformed? The parties stand uniformly on issues, like abortion. I want to stand up for the unborn. Murder is murder; u can't rationalize it because "it's my body." What's the point? We have adoption services after all. There are plethora of birth controls, so stop with the lame excuses and attacking people against abortion, like they're some kind of radical. Abortion is radical; it's not even allowed throughout Europe; it's allowed and appears to even be forced sometimes in North Korea and maybe China. If I'm a control freak for being against abortion, you're a control freak for being against murder.

Late stage abortion...After birth abortion...WOW!!!!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 22, 06:55 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 22, 06:51 PM 2020If I'm a control freak for being against abortion, you're a control freak for being against murder.

Like I said, uninformed. Where do you get your information?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 22, 07:01 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 22, 06:55 PM 2020Like I said, uninformed. Where do you get your information?
Before, you said uniformed, not uninformed. Last election, I googled everyone's names, did research, then just decided to go all Red because of the abortion issue. Most people place many other issues above abortion, but it is a big issue for me, I guess.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 22, 10:42 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 22, 07:01 PM 2020Before, you said uniformed, not uninformed. Last election, I googled everyone's names, did research, then just decided to go all Red because of the abortion issue. Most people place many other issues above abortion, but it is a big issue for me, I guess.
You won't have religious freedom when these  radical leftists strike down the Constitution. Just today one of them said this about statues of Jesus: "Shaun King says Jesus images 'a form of white supremacy' that must go: 'They should all come down' "

link:s://:.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/22/shaun-king-says-jesus-images-a-form-of-white-supre/
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 23, 12:41 AM 2020
This doesn't concern me too much. I don't think Democrats even side with the radical left anyways. Biden even disagrees with the radical left; he said he is against defunding the police.

Even if religious freedom is lost, they can't control your thoughts and relationship with God. They claim to be offended because Jesus is white(or at least made out to be according to the statues); ironically, they are being the racist ones. It wouldn't matter to me if Jesus was white, brown, or black.

I'm sick of people blaming religion for killing others. Yes, I guess this has happened, but is in no way of what religion is about. Christianity goes so far as to even teach Christ's disciples to pray for their enemies, to turn the other cheek, etc.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 23, 12:41 AM 2020
I'm going to get a little something off my chest from being completely oppressed by our government or other powerful groups of people...
It is funny to me when others complain about being oppressed and things being unfair. I literally am oppressed when it comes to posting things online. I don't mean the usual censorship by big company platforms, like Facebook. I mean there are literally people who monitor my computer and will do things, like freeze it, if they disagree with something I am going to write.

I'll take the truth one step further... They monitor me extremely closely, know what I'm doing in my house with my blinds shut (perhaps I'll be writing things down), and freeze my computer even before I post it online.

I'm certain most people, and maybe even everyone will discount this and think I am delusional or something. Perhaps God or someone or something will allow the truth of my claims to seep through to some?

I can go much further and it gets more disturbing to the amount of surveillance and oppression I am under, but it gets to the point to where no one believes me. Don't hit me with the usual, "why would they waste their time on you stuff, grandiosity, etc." I'm sick of being criticized about these facts; perhaps this whole thing is sickening.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 23, 12:42 AM 2020
Look at that. The government or whoever let it go through  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Taotie on Jun 23, 02:15 AM 2020
You're supposed to put the pepper on your food, not snort it up your nose through a straw.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 04:56 AM 2020
Like you should be telling people what they should or shouldnt snort, or put in their orifices.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 09:38 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 23, 12:41 AM 2020This doesn't concern me too much. I don't think Democrats even side with the radical left anyways. Biden even disagrees with the radical left; he said he is against defunding the police.

Funny, magical opinions and legalism. Try pandering to AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Democrats are the radical left.  They just got focused on by the actions of a few elected brainwashed millennials recently elected way before that message was to be brought forward. This is the same radicalism as has been underway since Hillary Clinton would always run right and govern left. She was just another Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" community organizer. The Democratic Party hates America and vows to change it.  It starts with eliminating freedom of speech and it wins against you with taking all the guns. Biden is made of 100% pure, Made in America, plastic. He is malleable to any form that his handlers want him to to be, if he can just member his lines.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 09:57 AM 2020
Back to Roulette :
Quote"Been having a blast self destructing on R-sim. Have had huge wins streaks only to hit the self destruct flat betting on long shots.

Might try flat betting only, combined with a minimum bet. In other words no double down on attacks. Let's see if I can win every time with that method."
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Kairomancer on Jun 23, 11:09 AM 2020
No way. You can't win every session playing flat bet RR, if you play every day long enough.
I have already proved that.
Though doubling your baset bet after 2 lost days seems to work well short term.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 12:40 PM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 23, 11:09 AM 2020
No way. You can't win every session playing flat bet RR, if you play every day long enough.
I have already proved that.
Though doubling your baset bet after 2 lost days seems to work well short term.

I think I can do it. I'm sticking to 10 unit chips, @ 180 to 200 bets, as the flat bet against 18 to 20 numbers and 1 as the virtual bet on any of the EC outside bets if I use them. We will see. I'm sure I will obliterate the expectation of statistical math. I'm going to go much slower, fewer sessions per day. This will eliminate fatigue and laziness. I already have 3 sessions at 540 or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 23, 01:58 PM 2020
Just rest and start again. So we can see what a flat bet reading randomness game is.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 02:33 PM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 23, 11:09 AM 2020
No way. You can't win every session playing flat bet RR, if you play every day long enough.
I have already proved that.
Though doubling your baset bet after 2 lost days seems to work well short term.

You are right. I can't win without the attacking bet.  I had three easy sessions and then just an outright war that had tons of doubling down bets that I did not make. I guess I have to stick to my style. Interesting though.  Each session has its own features.  Other sessions don't matter. You fight the one you are in. I just want to beat the math.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 02:54 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 23, 01:58 PM 2020
Just rest and start again. So we can see what a flat bet reading randomness game is.

He said at first that he was going to flat bet it and then when I asked him, why he didn't stick to it, he said "I set the rules and do what I want", was very angry at me with his response.

Now that after using progression, variance evened out, he crashed and is actually down.

Here is the graph so far:

link:s://prnt.sc/t56okl

He can say that he got bored, lazy, etc, but those are excuses that any player can make imo. Let the graph and stats speak for themselves.

If he can't beat it with flat betting, then he will never win in the long run with progression. Eventually the debt will have to be repaid.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 23, 03:12 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 02:54 PM 2020
He said at first that he was going to flat bet it and then when I asked him, why he didn't stick to it, he said "I set the rules and do what I want", was very angry at me with his response.

Now that after using progression, variance evened out, he crashed and is actually down.

Here is the graph so far:

link:s://prnt.sc/t56okl

He can say that he got bored, lazy, etc, but those are excuses that any player can make imo. Let the graph and stats speak for themselves.

If he can't beat it with flat betting, then he will never win in the long run with progression. Eventually the debt will have to be repaid.

I agree completely. He said the same thing about MPR too. He always gets bored and losses. Why can't he get bored and win? :yawn:  and using progression does not help.

Making excuses does not help your cause gizmo. It's great of you can demonstrate a working idea, just don't claim random excuses when you lose.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:19 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 02:54 PM 2020He can say that he got bored, lazy, etc, but those are excuses that any player can make imo. Let the graph and stats speak for themselves.
I don't use a progression. I move up at a higher bet level when I attack. That's how I really play.  The mini streaks come in mini size. I take one win off of them. I just tend to use higher bets when I recover. But only on the mini win streaks. This past week I went of a progression festival just to mask my first 50 wins. I want people to see fault with it and to pass it up. You have to be smart enough to know why I would do that.  I also went on a mad dash for the top and reached 14th place before blowing that up.  I'm glad you are out there trashing it. I show how to do it, demonstrate it working and then mask it in failure. It brings out the skeptics. It hides the lessons. The best part is all you see are progressions. Mission Accomplished.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:23 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 23, 03:12 PM 2020I agree completely. He said the same thing about MPR too. He always gets bored and losses. Why can't he get bored and win?   and using progression does not help.

Making excuses does not help your cause gizmo. It's great of you can demonstrate a working idea, just don't claim random excuses when you lose.
Where the heck were you when I won the first 50 in a row? I got bored winning. It all shows my doubling down at times to recover. Was 50 in a row luck?  Hey, I hope you pass it up. You need to find that hot repeater and chase Turbo's banana on a stick. OOPs, you aren't one of the Turbo freaks. Sorry. I can mask my work if I want to. Masking works best if it is not believed.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 03:24 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 23, 03:12 PM 2020
I agree completely. He said the same thing about MPR too. He always gets bored and losses. Why can't he get bored and win? :yawn:  and using progression does not help.

Making excuses does not help your cause gizmo. It's great of you can demonstrate a working idea, just don't claim random excuses when you lose.

Good point, forgot about the MPR.

And don't forget, that he claims to have already been using this method to win for 10+ years, without a losing session (if my memory is correct).

If that would be true, he should have no problem with "boredom or laziness", to demonstrate it on MPR or RR.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 03:33 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:19 PM 2020
I don't use a progression.

Yes you do, do you not understand what progression means? You are not sticking to the same bet, you increase your bet size.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:19 PM 2020
I move up at a higher bet level when I attack.

That's called using progression.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:19 PM 2020
I just tend to use higher bets when I recover.

That's called using progression.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:19 PM 2020
This past week I went of a progression festival just to mask my first 50 wins

So you admit to using progression.You are contradicting yourself in every sentence. You claim to not use progression and then say that you use progressions.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:19 PM 2020
I show how to do it, demonstrate it working and then mask it in failure. It hides the lessons.Mission Accomplished.

So now you claim that you lost on purpose? Before you claimed that you got bored because you were bored and lazy. At this point, you have lost all the credibility that you had and had buried yourself completely.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:34 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 03:24 PM 2020Good point, forgot about the MPR.

And don't forget, that he claims to have already been using this method to win for 10+ years, without a losing session (if my memory is correct).

If that would be true, he should have no problem with "boredom or laziness", to demonstrate it on MPR or RR.
Just look at the first 50. I did the same thing at MPR. I didn't start winning until I stopped going after the double dozens and added the 7 / 3 method to the sessions. I no longer chase the monster sized win streaks that I clearly talked about for years. I also carry three bankrolls of 7 net losses. I have never lost three 7 net losses in a row. I average 5 wins at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. That's more than 2 to 1 or 66% to 33% in net valued bets. But deliberate attempting to win all those 50 sessions with a 3,000 bankroll against 54 for each session win was not supposed to be possible. Yet you guys were as quite as a mouse fart. Now you are all fired up after I fired you up.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:36 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 03:33 PM 2020Yes you do, do you not understand what progression means? You are not sticking to the same bet, you increase your bet size.
I don't care, I don't give a shit. Explain the first 50 at 54 ( 3 X's 18 ).
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:37 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 03:33 PM 2020So now you claim that you lost on purpose? Before you claimed that you got bored because you were bored and lazy.

At this point, you have lost all the credibility that you had and had buried yourself completely.
Have you looked at how people have taken 1's place. It's all wild ass't play.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 03:43 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:37 PM 2020
Have you looked at how people have taken 1's place. It's all wild ass't play.

How is it relevant how other players have reached the #1 there? Your "Reading Randomness" is supposed to be different and better than all those players making random bets.

Your goal in the beginning was not to reach #1, but to show yourself winning consistently with this method.

I don't give a shit about your first 50. When you were winning big with progression, you didn't say that you were winning due to boredom, did you? You claimed that you were crushing it due to "Reading Randomness". Now that the variance evened out, it is very convenient for you to claim that you got "bored" or "lazy".

You are full of shit and excuses. There is beyond too many contradictions and excuses, at this point you totally buried yourself.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 03:53 PM 2020
And had the luck continued to go your way, and instead of losing the 100k, you would of ended up winning 100k more, you would have continued to claim it was due to "reading randomness", "attacking at the right time", and long paragraphs swimming in your glory.

I can now see why multiple people told me that you use con man tactics.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 04:13 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 03:53 PM 2020And had the luck continued to go your way, and instead of losing the 100k, you would of ended up winning 100k more, you would have continued to claim it was due to "reading randomness", "attacking at the right time", and long paragraphs swimming in your glory.

I can now see why multiple people told me that you use con man tactics.

No I wouldn't. It's clear to me that you don't know what the RR is. You can clearly see me making dumb wild progression bets heading up to the top. I was just mimicking what the others have done to get there. But you didn't see that and now you can't take it back. And the con man bit. I have conned you. I told you what it takes to really win and then I masked it. And that conned you. Perfect. You guys always say that nobody would give away a working method. So you were conned as soon as you looked at it. Ha ha. This was all meant for the mathBoyz. But I got you too. Glad you are now giving yourself permission to pass it up. I do get a kick out of human nature. Control freaks manipulate people because they need so badly to do that to protect their illusion of themselves. But I have controlled this so that I could share it and fuk with the mathZombies heads all at the same time.  In other words there is a good way to manipulate people. I told people a way to beat Roulette and then made it look fake. It's still sitting there , easy to learn, and nothing is stopping you other than the fear that you might be getting played.  Don't want to be anyone's fool now do we? That is the con job. You are conning you. Ha ha. This si my way of sharing it and protecting it. You are my cop on the beat. Thank you for your service.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 04:30 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 04:13 PM 2020
No I wouldn't. It's clear to me that you don't know what the RR is. You can clearly see me making dumb wild progression bets heading up to the top. I was just mimicking what the others have done to get there. But you didn't see that and now you can't take it back. And the con man bit. I have conned you. I told you what it takes to really win and then I masked it. And that conned you. Perfect. You guys always say that nobody would give away a working method. So you were conned as soon as you looked at it. Ha ha. This was all meant for the mathBoyz. But I got you too. Glad you are now giving yourself permission to pass it up. I do get a kick out of human nature. Control freaks manipulate people because they need so badly to do that to protect their illusion of themselves. But I have controlled this so that I could share it and fuk with the mathZombies heads all at the same time.  In other words there is a good way to manipulate people. I told people a way to beat Roulette and then made it look fake. It's still sitting there , easy to learn, and nothing is stopping you other than the fear that you might be getting played.  Don't want to be anyone's fool now do we? That is the con job. You are conning you. Ha ha. This si my way of sharing it and protecting it. You are my cop on the beat. Thank you for your service.

LOL, so now you claim that you lost on purpose? Before you claimed that it was due to "boredom and laziness".

For anyone who has been following your threads from the beginning, your lies, contradictions, and excuses are all very easy to see.

Like I said, you have lost all the credibility, you ain't fooling anyone here.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 04:36 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 04:30 PM 2020LOL, so now you claim that you lost on purpose?
Try to keep up. I claimed it a long time ago.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 04:37 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 04:30 PM 2020Before you claimed that it was due to "boredom and laziness".

For anyone who has been following your threads from the beginning, your lies, contradictions, and excuses are all very easy to see.

Like I said, you have lost all the credibility, you ain't fooling anyone here.
Good, I think I'll go dark.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 04:39 PM 2020
Doesn't sound here that you lost on purpose or had it planned. Who do you think you are fooling?

Thank you for exposing yourself - anyone can go through your threads and see all the countless lies and contradictions.

Quote
"Been having a blast self destructing on R-sim. Have had huge wins streaks only to hit the self destruct flat betting on long shots.

Might try flat betting only, combined with a minimum bet. In other words no double down on attacks. Let's see if I can win every time with that method."

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 12:40 PM 2020
This will eliminate fatigue and laziness. I already have 3 sessions at 540 or thereabouts.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 02:33 PM 2020
You are right. I can't win without the attacking bet.  I had three easy sessions and then just an outright war that had tons of doubling down bets that I did not make. I guess I have to stick to my style. Interesting though.  Each session has its own features.  Other sessions don't matter. You fight the one you are in. I just want to beat the math.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 04:58 PM 2020
To add, here are the graphs:

link:s://prnt.sc/t58nqu - current graph
link:s://prnt.sc/t58t46 - 100k losing session

You lost your 100k in 162 spins, not in 1 or 10 spins. Yet you claim it was due to "boredom and laziness". If you lost it in 10 spins, then your claim would be far more credible. You realized that it wasn't credible, so then you changed to saying that you lost on purpose.

link:s://prnt.sc/t58ubv

After your initial 100k loss, you were still up 1.6k. Yet you went from being up 1.6k to being down -14k. These remaining losses came in ~700 spins. What excuse would you have for those losses after the 100k? More boredom or that you have so much time on your hands, to play for 700 spins and lose on purpose?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 05:13 PM 2020
So now after exposing you, you decided to change it up, and start to actually "lose on purpose" - by betting 1k per unit, instead of 20 or 30, and you no longer "read randomness", as you bet on the 1st spin, without waiting for 10 spins.

Screenshot of previous session up to that point and link:

link:s://prnt.sc/t58y0o
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/26a5695b14287e47b8bc8855148876ca

Screenshot+link after exposing you:
link:s://prnt.sc/t58xe8
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/419321ce222384c9c01ae1940da76bdb

Initially after your 100k loss, by losing 3k per session and betting 20/30 per bet, you were losing around between 100-150 units per session.

Trying to changing the unit bet to 1k now and losing on purpose, won't fool anyone, the history is right there, it is all documented.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 23, 05:28 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 04:13 PM 2020
No I wouldn't. It's clear to me that you don't know what the RR is. You can clearly see me making dumb wild progression bets heading up to the top. I was just mimicking what the others have done to get there. But you didn't see that and now you can't take it back. And the con man bit. I have conned you. I told you what it takes to really win and then I masked it. And that conned you. Perfect. You guys always say that nobody would give away a working method. So you were conned as soon as you looked at it. Ha ha. This was all meant for the mathBoyz. But I got you too. Glad you are now giving yourself permission to pass it up. I do get a kick out of human nature. Control freaks manipulate people because they need so badly to do that to protect their illusion of themselves. But I have controlled this so that I could share it and fuk with the mathZombies heads all at the same time.  In other words there is a good way to manipulate people. I told people a way to beat Roulette and then made it look fake. It's still sitting there , easy to learn, and nothing is stopping you other than the fear that you might be getting played.  Don't want to be anyone's fool now do we? That is the con job. You are conning you. Ha ha. This si my way of sharing it and protecting it. You are my cop on the beat. Thank you for your service.

You seriously need to get laid.  Vegas it up.  Go out.  Slumming around on here with those Precog Elitists is not my idea of fun.  But I think you prob get a kick out of it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 23, 05:57 PM 2020
At first he claimed he was bored, then he was asked, why did he lose, and initially this was his answer:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 02:29 PM 2020
can't help myself, it's boring....

Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2020
So you got bored and you lost on purpose?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 03:22 PM 2020
No, not exactly. I just picked a long shot bet and would ride it down and up and down like a jackass. It was pure dummy-dick tactics. It could have gone on a wild win streak. I didn't care anymore. I had already made my point.  If people look at how I started out with those games at 54 then they will see what to do.

After realizing that his BS was seen through, he changed his answer and claimed it was done on purpose and it was his plan all along:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 04:13 PM 2020
No I wouldn't. It's clear to me that you don't know what the RR is. You can clearly see me making dumb wild progression bets heading up to the top. I was just mimicking what the others have done to get there. But you didn't see that and now you can't take it back. And the con man bit. I have conned you. I told you what it takes to really win and then I masked it. And that conned you. Perfect. You guys always say that nobody would give away a working method. So you were conned as soon as you looked at it. Ha ha. This was all meant for the mathBoyz. But I got you too. Glad you are now giving yourself permission to pass it up. I do get a kick out of human nature. Control freaks manipulate people because they need so badly to do that to protect their illusion of themselves. But I have controlled this so that I could share it and fuk with the mathZombies heads all at the same time.  In other words there is a good way to manipulate people. I told people a way to beat Roulette and then made it look fake. It's still sitting there , easy to learn, and nothing is stopping you other than the fear that you might be getting played.  Don't want to be anyone's fool now do we? That is the con job. You are conning you. Ha ha. This si my way of sharing it and protecting it. You are my cop on the beat. Thank you for your service.

Yet, if you look at his losing session, you will see that it was not due to boredom, nor it was done on purpose. Simply the variance caught up to him, and his RR was exposed for it was - this method's accuracy is no better than random bets. This is why he also wasn't able to win on MPR. As Steve says, anyone can with progression for sometime, but eventually they will lose. This thread is a great case study for all the newbies out there - don't be fooled by progression, and always look at the numbers - the numbers don't lie. Also, do your research and don't be fooled by con man tactics.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 23, 06:03 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 05:57 PM 2020
At first he claimed he was bored, then he was asked, why did he lose, and initially this was his answer:

After realizing that his BS was seen through, he changed his answer and claimed it was done on purpose and it was his plan all along:

Yet, if you look at his losing session, you will see that it was not due to boredom, nor it was done on purpose. Simply the variance caught up to him, and his RR was exposed for it was - this method's accuracy is no better than random bets. This is why he also wasn't able to win on MPR. As Steve says, anyone can with progression for sometime, but eventually they will lose. This thread is a great case study for all the newbies out there - don't be fooled by progression, and always look at the numbers - the numbers don't lie. Also, do your research and don't be fooled by con man tactics.

You, also need to get laid.  But methinks you get a kick out of this as well.
















Note to self:  Holy mackerel, I need to get laid!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 24, 07:03 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 03:43 PM 2020I don't give a shit about your first 50
If Gizmotron2 was flat betting on even chances for about 100-150 spins per session (assuming a bet on every spin), and won 50 sessions in a row at +3 units, this virtually proves beyond any reasonable doubt that he has a massive edge.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 24, 07:15 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 24, 07:03 AM 2020
If Gizmotron2 was flat betting on even chances for about 100-150 spins per session (assuming a bet on every spin), and won 50 sessions in a row at +3 units, this virtually proves beyond any reasonable doubt that he has a massive edge.

Winning a session does not prove anything.

What was his overall Winrate?

Winrate is amount won / amount bet
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 24, 07:19 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 24, 07:15 AM 2020Winning a session does not prove anything.

What was his overall Winrate?

Winrate is amount won / amount bet
You're right, winning a session doesn't prove anything, 50, 150 spin sessions in a row DOES. This is assuming he placed about 150 bets per session. Even if he only placed 50 bets per session, this is huge.

I don't know the exact math; you can just simulate and try to win +3 for 50 sessions (about 150spins per session) in a row, and it is damn near impossible to even pass 4 sessions doing this. All what I'm saying only applies to flat betting; I don't know about progression. Progression can pass tons of more spins, but losses a lot more when it fails.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 24, 07:23 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 24, 07:19 AM 2020
You're right, winning a session doesn't prove anything, but 50, 150 spin sessions in a row DOES.

I don't know the exact math; you can just simulate and try to win +3 for 50 sessions (about 150spins per session) in a row, and it is damn near impossible to even pass 4 sessions doing this. All what I'm saying only applies to flat betting; I don't know about progression. Progression can pass tons of more spins, but losses a lot more when it fails.

Ok if you think he completed 50 sessions win straight without progression after reading this thread and looking at his game play on RS then I can't help you.


I guess people like to see what they want.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 24, 08:00 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 24, 07:23 AM 2020Ok if you think he completed 50 sessions win straight without progression after reading this thread and looking at his game play on RS then I can't help you.


I guess people like to see what they want.
Please don't imply that I only see what I want. I said "if gizmotron ..." Note, I said IF.

I don't have conclusive evidence that Gizmotron2 did or didn't win 50 sessions in a row by flat betting on mpr.

I don't like when take my maybes, ifs, etc out of what I am saying. Thank you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 24, 08:10 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 05:57 PM 2020Yet, if you look at his losing session, you will see that it was not due to boredom, nor it was done on purpose. Simply the variance caught up to him, and his RR was exposed for it was
Look at the first 50 sessions. I played to win. Then look at how I lost those sessions in  a plunge. All I did was increase my bets and then keep hitting the Re-Bet and Double buttons.  I just plunged without thought for what happens. It was mindless dependence on variance.  But those first 50 sessions are the method. You can ignore them and just see a progression.  Thanks for your service. I gave you a reason to dismiss all this and that is what gives you a reason to call me a con man.  It's a well thought out way to protect and yet share my methods. I have taught others how to do the basics. I actually expose my real play in those 50 sessions.

You don't think I can fake progression and rule based mechanical methods? You think it's my real game. That makes you my tool. I have not reset because in all fairness to others I wanted all this exposed there as the example.  You must be smart enough to have studied RR so you can see what I have done in those first 50 sessions. That includes using my live play software and loading the spins to see each session's charts. You can add the last spin and look at the chart as it develops and then look at the session telemetry and see what I bet on. It's not a video that needs to be paused. You can take all the time that you want to see it all develop. But you chose to take the easy path and see the unicorns. I can see how life will reward you, or already has in all this. You are a cynic. If an education is free then it is worthless. Ha ha, I used human nature on you and it works to protect. A con man would have charged money and dropped hints. I talked about it for 14 years, perfected solutions for my own weaknesses, proved to myself that a basic form of it could be taught and learned, and then shared it to the world. All the latest development occurred over the past three years. The global effect, and the elegant pattern have all been demonstrated and confirmed. The first and one of the best characteristics of RR, singles on the weak side, has all been validated to exist. My exposing of these 50 sessions shows just how in depth I go to detect characteristics. If you want to see progressions then that is all that you came to see.

In a nut shell I try to flat bet or virtual bet my way to a won session. But if I descend I attack with double or quadruple sized bets during recovery. I do that during what appears to be opportunity moments. Some sessions fully recover and give me my 54+ all at once. So it looks like a progression. The difference is that I play to win. I increase only at times where a strong characteristic is occurring and only if I'm trying to get back to my first choice, my base value bets. It's when the effectiveness is in a mini win stretch. Almost all progression players play their increased bets into losing streaks. That is playing blind.

So at R-Sim I give you both techniques. One is the real game and the other is camouflage.  There's everything there for everyone. You can learn at no cost to you. Or you can pull the wool over your own eyes and blame me for it. I get enjoyment out of both types of sharing. One day you will find out that I have been right all along and that the math expectations and the "house's edge" have always been camouflage too.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Jun 24, 08:34 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 24, 08:10 AM 2020
All I did was increase my bets and then keep hitting the Re-Bet and Double buttons.

That’s called using progression, this is not flat betting.

You can’t just take your winning streak and ignore the losing. Like I said, had the luck continued to go your way a bit longer, you would be singing a totally different tune and would attribute it to your “RR skills”.

When you win, it’s RR.

When you lose, it’s you doing it on purpose or you being lazy right?

With all the lies, you have lost all credibility at this point.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 24, 08:50 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 24, 08:00 AM 2020Please don't imply that I only see what I want. I said "if gizmotron ..." Note, I said IF.

I don't have conclusive evidence that Gizmotron2 did or didn't win 50 sessions in a row by flat betting on mpr.

You've got the first 50 games at R-Sim. That is the only example. 50 wins in a row demonstrates something. I don't know what is left behind at MPR. I don't really care much. I just remember that I set out to win and did for what I thought was 50 sessions. But at R-Sim you have play by play telemetry that everyone can see and study. So MPR is just a less for my purposes.  I'd really be surprised to find out what people think of those first 50 session. There is almost total silence from the crowd here on that. So I tried to figure out why so many people where up in first place and how they got there. I had a first plunge doing that. Then I figured out how to increase my bets and play the "Big Game." You can see that too. Because the Big Game tests were just a practical joke to me I decided to not go after days and days of junk play. The I got the idea to self destruct, just to tweak the critics.  It's almost as much fun to go right up to 14th place and then blow up as it is to play to win.  It's like watching a person crash in a car race. You can't take your eyes off of it.  Ha ha. So I'm using you as my own personal play toy. I like jerking you guys around. You are somewhat predictable. It's not trolling to see you blow a blood vessel. It's setting you up to admit one day that I shared it to the world and the best gamblers in the world rejected it. All I can do is wait. One day I will have always been right. They will look back at these archives of discussions and they will laugh at how I played with people. I did all this that way because of the arrogance of the mathBoyz. My attitude for them started decades ago. This all comes from all that. You can't shoot them but you can toy with their heads. I know that I have denigrated their math beliefs and theories.  I just need enough people learning this to sneak up on them and surprise them.  I can't wait until it is too late. This is my retribution. It's all worked out in epic proportions. I know what it is like to start a new skill at the bottom and work hard enough to master it. I've done it so many times that it is second nature to me. I'm wired that way. I won't quit because I fail at first. I can't make people study this. They will all have to start out at the bottom. People with egos that won't let themselves fail at first are not an issue. I made it all as painless as possible. I provided the practice software for free use. To have it all be rejected because I masked it is nothing more than character discovery. I'm always looking for the big moves. People are the biggest and most rewarding game of all. To know what people are missing from not being a poly extreme athlete does not frustrate me. It does not make me feel sorry for them. But I won't let them define me as crazy. They have concurred the highest ramparts of their couches. They have flown so high to the sun that they have burnt their wings. Well, not that high actually.  RR is my intellectual enjoyment of the extreme. I knew at a very young age that I would need to do all the wild stuff with a healthy young body and that things like lead guitar, computer programming, and gambling would be skills to enjoy once the body began to age. So I did it in that order.  People have it all backwards. They scrape and sacrifice their whole lives to get to a point to enjoy it all and their bodies have all turned decrepit on them by the time they are ready. It's all backwards, chasing retirement. I became a builder because everyone said it was the "American Dream" to own your own home.  You put all that money into loans and taxes just to have something the socialists can steal. I saw this all coming back in the early 70's when they took over education. Read "The Velvet Monkey Wrench." Then read "Telling The Truth" written in the mid 90's. You are all being manipulated and placed for sacrifice. People are the best toys around.  You can't keep your house because you did not build your nest egg. The street out in front of your house built your "white advantage" life. Ha ha, suckers.  I'm not the con man. You are.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 24, 09:00 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 24, 08:34 AM 2020That’s called using progression, this is not flat betting.
It's actually working very hard to find the characteristics that will pay off from grinding out wins vs mindless effort. That's the biggest picture.  You need it to be pure flat betting or else. I need to win the sessions. My needs are far more important to me than your needs are to you. You have my permission to ignore those first 50 sessions. Now go start an autonomous free zone.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 24, 09:02 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 24, 08:34 AM 2020You can’t just take your winning streak and ignore the losing. Like I said, had the luck continued to go your way a bit longer, you would be singing a totally different tune and would attribute it to your “RR skills”.
Thank you for playing  "my life is obvious, Captain Obvious."  You have a special gift for stating it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jun 24, 02:22 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 24, 08:50 AM 2020
You've got the first 50 games at R-Sim. That is the only example. 50 wins in a row demonstrates something. I don't know what is left behind at MPR. I don't really care much. I just remember that I set out to win and did for what I thought was 50 sessions. But at R-Sim you have play by play telemetry that everyone can see and study. So MPR is just a less for my purposes.  I'd really be surprised to find out what people think of those first 50 session. There is almost total silence from the crowd here on that. So I tried to figure out why so many people where up in first place and how they got there. I had a first plunge doing that. Then I figured out how to increase my bets and play the "Big Game." You can see that too. Because the Big Game tests were just a practical joke to me I decided to not go after days and days of junk play. The I got the idea to self destruct, just to tweak the critics.  It's almost as much fun to go right up to 14th place and then blow up as it is to play to win.  It's like watching a person crash in a car race. You can't take your eyes off of it.  Ha ha. So I'm using you as my own personal play toy. I like jerking you guys around. You are somewhat predictable. It's not trolling to see you blow a blood vessel. It's setting you up to admit one day that I shared it to the world and the best gamblers in the world rejected it. All I can do is wait. One day I will have always been right. They will look back at these archives of discussions and they will laugh at how I played with people. I did all this that way because of the arrogance of the mathBoyz. My attitude for them started decades ago. This all comes from all that. You can't shoot them but you can toy with their heads. I know that I have denigrated their math beliefs and theories.  I just need enough people learning this to sneak up on them and surprise them.  I can't wait until it is too late. This is my retribution. It's all worked out in epic proportions. I know what it is like to start a new skill at the bottom and work hard enough to master it. I've done it so many times that it is second nature to me. I'm wired that way. I won't quit because I fail at first. I can't make people study this. They will all have to start out at the bottom. People with egos that won't let themselves fail at first are not an issue. I made it all as painless as possible. I provided the practice software for free use. To have it all be rejected because I masked it is nothing more than character discovery. I'm always looking for the big moves. People are the biggest and most rewarding game of all. To know what people are missing from not being a poly extreme athlete does not frustrate me. It does not make me feel sorry for them. But I won't let them define me as crazy. They have concurred the highest ramparts of their couches. They have flown so high to the sun that they have burnt their wings. Well, not that high actually.  RR is my intellectual enjoyment of the extreme. I knew at a very young age that I would need to do all the wild stuff with a healthy young body and that things like lead guitar, computer programming, and gambling would be skills to enjoy once the body began to age. So I did it in that order.  People have it all backwards. They scrape and sacrifice their whole lives to get to a point to enjoy it all and their bodies have all turned decrepit on them by the time they are ready. It's all backwards, chasing retirement. I became a builder because everyone said it was the "American Dream" to own your own home.  You put all that money into loans and taxes just to have something the socialists can steal. I saw this all coming back in the early 70's when they took over education. Read "The Velvet Monkey Wrench." Then read "Telling The Truth" written in the mid 90's. You are all being manipulated and placed for sacrifice. People are the best toys around.  You can't keep your house because you did not build your nest egg. The street out in front of your house built your "white advantage" life. Ha ha, suckers.  I'm not the con man. You are.

For the love of all things holy you really need to get laid. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 24, 03:22 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 24, 08:00 AM 2020
Please don't imply that I only see what I want. I said "if gizmotron ..." Note, I said IF.

I don't have conclusive evidence that Gizmotron2 did or didn't win 50 sessions in a row by flat betting on mpr.

I don't like when take my maybes, ifs, etc out of what I am saying. Thank you.

But I also said IF, so why are you getting upset? IF that us not what you think then no problem.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 25, 04:36 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 24, 03:22 PM 2020But I also said IF, so why are you getting upset? IF that us not what you think then no problem.
Sorry. You're right.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jun 25, 04:38 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 24, 08:50 AM 2020masked it
Are you masking it to make it so only those who work for it will be rewarded? Maybe the rewards won't be as great is the whole world knows.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 25, 06:12 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 25, 04:38 PM 2020
Are you masking it to make it so only those who work for it will be rewarded? Maybe the rewards won't be as great is the whole world knows.

Yes, exactly. There has never been a discussion on the opportunities presented by the global effect or the elegant patterns that are very rare. These two things alone make RR the very best gambling opportunity there has ever been. I don't really care about the time when the whole world knows this stuff.  It's now that it is the very most interesting. It's while it's sitting before them and the nature of people with regards to working for great things as you suggest. Once people can see it they will wonder why there was a time when they could not see it. When I taught three net wins and out I never showed how to attack the monster win streak, the perfect win streak, or the cluster of win streak swarms. I taught all that to the first student that I worked with.  That is why it took two months. It should be something that people could move up to once they have the basics. They are aware that I have been talking about it for years. A few people have seen perfect patterns that lasted for a while. Some have seen the global effect. You guys go on and on trying to fit the repeater into a winning strategy.  I wonder what it is about what it takes to see opportunities and characteristics. There is no discussion.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jul 25, 04:42 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 24, 02:22 PM 2020For the love of all things holy you really need to get laid.
Your statue destruction days are over buddy.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Richard Meisel on Jul 27, 10:10 PM 2020
Wow, all you guys are giving Giz such a hard time. He probably loves it, by the way. It took a long time for me to be a nice guy. How about getting a paper, put down 15 columns and label them O/E - R/B - H/L - 1st Doz - 2nd Doz - 3rd Doz - 1/2 Doz - 1/3 Doz - 2/3 Doz - L Col - M Col - H Col - L/M Col - L/H Col - and M/H Col. From a RNG generator get 38 or preferably 76 Spins. Then study intently at all the columns, pick out your Bets, see how you do. Then tell Giz how you did. I'm sure, my friends, you will do very well.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 27, 11:06 PM 2020
What you want to do is learn to see characteristics. I started the teaching thread with singles on the weak side for the EC's and sleeping dozens for the columns and dozens choices.

There are tons of things to look for as characteristics. Once you can see them then you can start to look at the quality of them. Do they come in swarms of nearly the same sizes for instance.

It goes on and on. You increase your awareness of characteristics and the charts take on deeper and deeper meanings.

Once you are very skilled at that level you go on to the final level and that is effectiveness and timing.

You then put it all together as a skill and apply it to practice in order to gain experience watching all these things change as you play. If you have not gone that far and in those steps then you never gave it a real try.  I provide the software to gain that experience. It takes at least a month to learn the characteristics and another month after that to gain a very limited amount of experience learning how these characteristics come and go. Then there is the effectiveness characteristics that at the heart of why this works. You must become expert at that.  You have not given Reading Randomness a real check to see if it works unless you do all that learning.

I can't make people take a chance on this and do two months worth of work.  Those that put in the time will be the ones that benefit from it all. It represents 27 years of research all on my own to put all this together. I condensed it and simplified it in order to make it teachable. If you really want to beat the casinos them this will give you an edge over the one thing that they can't use to beat you. They serve up continuous feeds of random results. You decide what to bet, when to bet, and how much. You have all the control.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jul 28, 02:18 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jul 25, 04:42 PM 2020
Your statue destruction days are over buddy.

Religious kook.

I'm apolitical, atheist, determinist fatalist.  I'm playing 4D chess.  Your still dawdling with Chutes and Ladders. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jul 28, 04:42 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jul 28, 02:18 PM 2020Religious kook.

I'm apolitical, atheist, determinist fatalist.  I'm playing 4D chess.  Your still dawdling with Chutes and Ladders. 
Just because you've never done anything worthy enough to have a statue built in your name doesn't mean you have to go tearing down everyone else's.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Jul 28, 06:32 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jul 28, 04:42 PM 2020
Just because you've never done anything worthy enough to have a statue built in your name doesn't mean you have to go tearing down everyone else's.

Do you even know what a determinist entails?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Jul 28, 07:00 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jul 28, 06:32 PM 2020Do you even know what a determinist entails?
Something to do with oral cavities being caused by past things, like eating sugar.
U got hungry after worshipping statues, so you ate some skittles. The skittles caused sugar acids to decay your teeth. Now you have to go to the determinist. duh!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 02, 10:29 AM 2020
I'm back at RS with another 50.

Basic principle used:

"Bet small amounts when you are in a downward sequence of any session. Bet larger amounts when in an upward sequence of any session. Make sure that you lose the correct number of spins so that the mathZombies are completely happy. Be prepared to defend or explain being able to see up and down sequences in a gambling session. Make the blind see & lead a horse to water and make him drink. Offer to polish a savior's Spandex suit. Get trolled."

I'm still holding up my 2 to 1 win to loss ratio in earnings as apposed to the mathematical expectation of slightly less than 50 / 50.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Aug 02, 12:18 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 02, 10:29 AM 2020"Bet small amounts when you are in a downward sequence of any session. Bet larger amounts when in an upward sequence of any session.
Why not just wait out/don't bet during downward sequences and only bet during upward sequences to maximize profits?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 02, 12:45 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Aug 02, 12:18 PM 2020Why not just wait out/don't bet during downward sequences and only bet during upward sequences to maximize profits?
They don't let you wait out spins at live B&M casinos where I play.  So I bet minimum or half price for the slow grind down. It all comes down to not falling into laziness for me. It's my nemesis. You can see me get bored and pay my way down the slides. Everything is there. I'm sure that there are other people here and about that can do this with better self control than me.

I just use my characteristic's of randomness, I call it Reading Randomness to make my bet selections. That gives me a sense of consistency in bet selections, leaving watching for changes and types of movements in the up or down conditions. I've always said that anyone can use any consistent bet selection method to bring out the up & down conditions. It then becomes a simple game of watching for the conditions and the changes. This tends to leave out any concerns about any house advantages. In fact it all comes down to how well you can wait for good upticks in movements. You stand or fall on how experienced you are with watching for upticks.

So I watch 12 sets that form 6 groupings.  One group can be in a slow grind down while another group can be in a grind upward.

To think that this has been ridiculed for decades is comical. I've done a pretty good job of both sharing it and protecting it at the same time.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 02, 01:00 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Aug 02, 12:18 PM 2020during upward sequences to maximize profits?
I no longer work hard for the monster sized super trends.  I bet that way for 12 years.  It works but it's much more difficult. So I don't give a hoot about maximizing profits.  I'm in it to win and be professional about it. I know I can get to two or three net wins at my base value bet. At RS I'm using $10 to $210 as the base value where I drop back to $100 and increase to as much as $400. Some times I go double then single, 2, 1. That's $200, $100 or $400, $200. I also go $200, then $100 or $400, then $200.  But I'm trying to get around 10% or $300 off each session with the $3,000 bankroll for each round. 

So, I'm actually short funded at $3,000 for that, in that I like to have at least 21 base value bets at the high point to weather any downfall during the sessions. 21 times $200 is a little more than $4,000. So I lose once in a while. $8,000 for $400 top level bets would be best.

More people should discuss this method with things like bankroll sizes, bet sizes, minimum bets, and maximized bet sizes.

This is not a revolutionary method. I just use Reading Randomness because when a strong trend happens so does a win streak.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Aug 02, 01:57 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 02, 12:45 PM 2020I just use my characteristic's of randomness, I call it Reading Randomness to make my bet selections. That gives me a sense of consistency in bet selections, leaving watching for changes and types of movements in the up or down conditions. I've always said that anyone can use any consistent bet selection method to bring out the up & down conditions. It then becomes a simple game of watching for the conditions and the changes. This tends to leave out any concerns about any house advantages. In fact it all comes down to how well you can wait for good upticks in movements. You stand or fall on how experienced you are with watching for upticks.I just use Reading Randomness because when a strong trend happens so does a win streak
Why does randomness behave like this? I kind of wanted to avoid saying this b/c people love bashing God/His followers/beliefs like this that may be considered “magical”, but I will say it anyway: I believe God has made it like this or divinely intervenes for randomness to flow like it does, maybe even so players can take advantage through proper research and practice.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 02, 05:22 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Aug 02, 01:57 PM 2020Why does randomness behave like this? I kind of wanted to avoid saying this b/c people love bashing God/His followers/beliefs like this that may be considered “magical”, but I will say it anyway: I believe God has made it like this or divinely intervenes for randomness to flow like it does, maybe even so players can take advantage through proper research and practice.
That's a sign of magical thinking.

You need to throw out all magical belief or forces that make numbers on the wheel come up. It's just random velocity, gravity, centrifugal force, drag, obstacles in the path, and height of slot boundaries. Once you try to see or confirm a magical force you will see it confirmed. All that is fallacy. You need to stop looking for reasons for randomness. We all know that it is because of Trump and 666.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Aug 03, 01:37 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 02, 05:22 PM 2020It's just random
I challenge you to give a clear explanation/scientific reason or other reason as to why randomness would have characteristics that would allow you to take advantage of trends or to take advantage of anything that would allow you to win more than you lose in the long run.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 02:34 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Aug 03, 01:37 PM 2020I challenge you to give a clear explanation/scientific reason or other reason as to why randomness would have characteristics that would allow you to take advantage of trends or to take advantage of anything that would allow you to win more than you lose in the long run.

When a characteristic is in a longer formed state of continuing... Now that alone must be understood in order to continue. I just glaze over that much and continue making an informed statement. But I wonder if I even got that far with you?  There is no point telling you more unless you can relate to this and explain that you know what it means. Can you do that? Are you with me so far?

I can example the simple ones like 20 Reds in a row or 32 of the same dozen sleeping. Do you know what these are? To me they are characteristics. What are they to you?

If you really want an answer and are not just waxing rhetorically then please acknowledge that you are in this for an explanation to your challenge.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 02:41 PM 2020
Here is another characteristic: In the EC's do you know what is meant by singles on the weak side?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Aug 03, 05:15 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 02:34 PM 2020When a characteristic is in a longer formed state of continuing... Now that alone must be understood in order to continue. I just glaze over that much and continue making an informed statement. But I wonder if I even got that far with you?  There is no point telling you more unless you can relate to this and explain that you know what it means. Can you do that? Are you with me so far?
I probably get it. You see patterns that continue/repeat and are able to jump on them fast and stay on them while they last.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 02:34 PM 2020If you really want an answer and are not just waxing rhetorically then please acknowledge that you are in this for an explanation to your challenge.
I am being genuine; I am not just being "rhetorical". I know that the HE doesn't mean squat compared to making good bets based on previous results and bets. One thing I do believe is that the HE is dominant when it comes to randomly betting or guessing, even though they may think otherwise, like everyone or almost everyone at the casino does.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 02:41 PM 2020Here is another characteristic: In the EC's do you know what is meant by singles on the weak side?
Maybe
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 06:42 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Aug 03, 05:15 PM 2020I probably get it. You see patterns that continue/repeat and are able to jump on them fast and stay on them while they last.
Almost. I hit them for one win. In EC's it's a war to get one win more than the number of losses.  If I only decided to break even then I could beat the HE also. I look to see if I'm in a condition of more wins than losses. You can see these conditions in any win/loss chart.

Example: wLLwwLwLL:L  In this case you have 7 wins and 6 losses. This is so tight. Nothing sticks out as a domination of wins. So I bet small. But if I get something like LLL:wLL:wLwwL: I have a domination of wins with a pattern of at least doubles when wins hit.  I bet big on those second wins in a row until I get my three net win stop point at the big bet value. The key is to take one bite at a time. It's not worth it to try to target the monster sized trends. They are too few and far between.

The name of the game is playing the win dominated waves. It doesn't matter that the house has a slight advantage. Things pile up together at times.  Losses pile up and dominate. It's what takes out most players because they can't avoid it when it happens.

The secret to beating randomness is in not getting upset when it works against you. Just take the losses at the cheaper price. It's more like boxing. To deliver that knockout punch you have to take punches. Just punch big when you see small openings.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 06:47 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Aug 03, 05:15 PM 2020"Here is another characteristic: In the EC's do you know what is meant by singles on the weak side?"
Maybe

Can you see it in this: BB r BBB r B r B r BB r BBB r B r  ....?

The strong side is Blacks and the weak side is reds. When red hits it never has a repeat. So it's a single.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Richard Meisel on Aug 03, 08:04 PM 2020
Hi Giz, got a question for you.  “RR BBB RRRR BB RRR BBB RR BB RRRR BBB RRR BBBB RRR BB RRRR BBBBB RRRRR BB RRR BBB RR”
There is an absence of singles. There seems to more of a Dominance for Triples than Doubles. I would probably put $90 on Red. Or play a virtual Bet. What would you try?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 10:20 PM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Aug 03, 08:04 PM 2020Hi Giz, got a question for you.  “RR BBB RRRR BB RRR BBB RR BB RRRR BBB RRR BBBB RRR BB RRRR BBBBB RRRRR BB RRR BBB RR”
There is an absence of singles. There seems to more of a Dominance for Triples than Doubles. I would probably put $90 on Red. Or play a virtual Bet. What would you try?

The first thing I would do is make it easier to see with visual dexterity:

rr BBB rrrr BB rrr BBB rr BB rrrr BBB rrr BBBB rrr BB rrrr BBBBB rrrrr BB rrr BBB rr

There is a mutual absence of singles on both sides.  So the big picture is that there are at least doubles that you can count on for sure if singles stay gone. So each time it changes bet the next one big, at least a double will win them all with steps like that. Then wait for the next change and do it again until the first single appears. Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 04, 08:15 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 03, 10:20 PM 2020
rr BBB rrrr BB rrr BBB rr BB rrrr BBB rrr BBBB rrr BB rrrr BBBBB rrrrr BB rrr BBB rr
So let's unpack that sequence without singles. If I compare Follow the Last Result and apply greed as the tactic then I would place a bet on every spin of it and accept the losses to wins offset.

Just for the sake of comparison with what is to follow, let's say that this sequence with no singles were already discovered and that these results in the list are at the point that you start betting. Let's also stipulate that you quit while you are ahead, so there will be no last lost bet.

With Follow the Last you get 21 lost bets. You get 43 wins for an aggregate win of 22 net wins.

With a single bet on the first repeat after any change you get 21 wins and no losses.

I always look for a way to take from these kind of sequences of pattern characteristics a way to win and have no losses. In reality both methods must eventually reach that first single where the pattern begins to break apart. In this case of FTL the first single results in two lost bets in a row. But the single bet after each change only has one lost bet, the first lost bet of the sequence. So this sequence gives the same result if you play it all the way to the first loss do to a first single appearing.

I have found that looking for ways to play a pattern without losses works the best.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 04, 08:35 AM 2020
Now let's unpack playing a sequence in harmony with not getting losses.

If you use FTL you get unwanted lost bets at different times so it will kill off what you could get if you are in a stretch without losses the other way.

This tactic was developed and shared in the writings of John Patrick that he called "The Up & Pull."

You let a little ride on the next bet and then take some off as you go up as well.

Here is how it works. You bet 2 units on the first step of a win streak without losses.

Then you bet 1 unit. So you are splitting the win of the first bet and keeping half for your trouble so far. If you lose you are still up one unit. If you win then you double down the riding bet from 1 to 2 on the third step of the win streak.

If that loses you are still up 1 unit. If it wins you are now up a total of 5.

If you wish to keep going then you bet 3 on the next bet. That will mean you are already up 2 before you risk the next bet.

If that step wins then you have a total of 8 units from the streak if you stop there.

You can keep pulling some off and letting some more ride the streak.

So this is how you get Up & Pull sequences like ( 2, 1, 2, 3, ) that Nathan Detroit is always referencing.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Richard Meisel on Aug 04, 01:52 PM 2020
Hi Giz, yes, Up & Pull is nice (2-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10). As to the FTL Bet, on the 4th consecutive Loss I Change the Bet and then continue FTL.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Aug 04, 01:55 PM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Aug 04, 01:52 PM 2020Hi Giz, yes, Up & Pull is nice (2-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10). As to the FTL Bet, on the 4th consecutive Loss I Change the Bet and then continue FTL.
good enough. I just wanted you to think of how to play sequences with no losses or just one loss when it breaks down at the end.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Richard Meisel on Aug 04, 02:05 PM 2020
Yes, thank you, be safe.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 07:25 AM 2020
Gizmotron, you now have 10 resets, and are down -1.5k. on Roulette Simulator :

link:s://prnt.sc/umerek
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/user/c4414e538a5475ec0244673b7f2f7dbb

Are you going to claim again that you lost on purpose?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 08:17 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 23, 07:25 AM 2020gizmotron, you now have 10 resets, and are down -1.5k. on Roulette Simulator :

link:s://prnt.sc/umerek
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/user/c4414e538a5475ec0244673b7f2f7dbb

Are you going to claim again that you lost on purpose?
Nope. Play time for practice is over. I'm working on real. I don't care if you think you have proof that RR does not work. In fact I'm happy for you. You are right where I want you. Why should I care to change that? In fact you should encourage others to follow you like the Pied Piper. Save the world from free to check for yourself skills. You are even too afraid to prove that it can't work. Please stay with that too.  Thank you for letting me live in your head rent free.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 08:27 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 08:17 AM 2020
Nope. Play time for practice is over. I'm working on real. I don't care if you think you have proof that RR does not work. In fact I'm happy for you. You are right where I want you. Why should I care to change that? In fact you should encourage others to follow you like the Pied Piper. Save the world from free to check for yourself skills. You are even too afraid to prove that it can't work. Please stay with that too.  Thank you for letting me live in your head rent free.

Practice? You claimed to have been winning and teaching this for over 10 years. And you can't put up a winning record on Roulette Simulator?

Who do you think you are fooling? There is too many contradictions and lies in all of your statements.




Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 08:57 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 23, 08:27 AM 2020Practice? You claimed to have been winning and teaching this for over 10 years. And you can't put up a winning record on Roulette Simulator?

Who do you think you are fooling? There is too many contradictions and lies in all of your statements.
Stay cool. Please stop misrepresenting my claims. I have been talking about RR for 15 years. Three years ago I changed by learning something better. I applied RR to it and set out to prove that I could teach this new stuff. I waited one year and in July 2019 I shared it all openly. I provided free practice software and answered all the questions openly without just dropping hints. That thread is done. Those skills are there for anyone to work on it if they want it. You are just about over the top with your illusions of it. I hope you gamble like that too.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 23, 09:29 AM 2020
Gizmo if you can code reading randomness then why don't you just do it and sell it. Why make people waste their time learning this 'skill' when they can just pay you for the software?

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:06 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 23, 09:29 AM 2020Gizmo if you can code reading randomness then why don't you just do it and sell it. Why make people waste their time learning this 'skill' when they can just pay you for the software?

That is a great question. I get it that it would be a bot for playing online. It's easier to program people for free. It let's me feed the mathZombies a shit sandwich. I get to change everything in the math & statistics world. I change the magical fallacy of the house's edge belief. I get to use it for a while. It's still all baloney to almost all gambling experts. I'm getting just what I want the way that I'm going. Let someone else learn it and then program it. Nothing is stopping them. It took astronomers to prove Einstein was right. Space is curved around a gravity well.  Don't you know that I suggested that Variable Change applies to targeting win streaks? I have even suggested the math that applies to RR. I get to talk to informed people, gamble at my leisure, smack a few faces when they act smartassed, and help anyone trying to learn the skill. Your way is all work and then the software would just get pirated. That's a nothing burger and the entire bullshit ride for being a scammer. You program it and sell it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 23, 10:20 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:06 AM 2020
That is a great question. I get it that it would be a bot for playing online. It's easier to program people for free. It let's me feed the mathZombies a shit sandwich. I get to change everything in the math & statistics world. I change the magical fallacy of the house's edge belief. I get to use it for a while. It's still all baloney to almost all gambling experts. I'm getting just what I want the way that I'm going. Let someone else learn it and then program it. Nothing is stopping them. It took astronomers to prove Einstein was right. Space is curved around a gravity well.  Don't you know that I suggested that Variable Change applies to targeting win streaks? I have even suggested the math that applies to RR. I get to talk to informed people, gamble at my leisure, smack a few faces when they act smartassed, and help anyone trying to learn the skill. Your way is all work and then the software would just get pirated. That's a nothing burger and the entire bullshit ride for being a scammer. You program it and sell it.

The problem with this approach is that as it stands today nobody knows how to play RR except you. Those that tired it have failed, so why would anyone take this seriously enough to spend their time coding it?

First demonstrate it and when people see it wins then they will have a reason to code it.

Since you are the only one who knows how to do this RR stuff you need to code it. Why don't you create it as a subscription website that way they can't steal or pirate it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:26 AM 2020
Some people have suggested that I'm brown nosing Steve. They just don't know why I respect him. I've seen what his critics write about him. He has a business. He's still in that business. Do I believe that computers can predict what sector a roulette ball will more than likely end up in even with all the improvements to cause scatter these days? Yes. It only takes a few extra wins for every 100 bets to turn someone into a millionaire. I know that these computers operated properly can do that. It's basic celestial mechanics adapted to an interactive input algorithm. Yes, a user must be sneaky. But the days of being back-roomed and having you knuckles broken are long behind us.  Anyway "caveat emptor" is the order of the day.  So I don't have a problem if Steve thinks RR is bullshit.  He's a gentleman about it always. And based on recent discussions he might be able to kick my ass.

Look. I put it out there and am letting it stand or fall on its own merit. Steve has done the same thing with his computers.  I'm in this for the long term. It will take years before it gets validated one way or another. Meanwhile we have spandex boys and sick people that have an axe to grind to entertain and amuse us.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:37 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 23, 10:20 AM 2020The problem with this approach is that as it stands today nobody knows how to play RR except you. Those that tired it have failed, so why would anyone take this seriously enough to spend their time coding it?

That's not true at all. I personally trained the first student one on one and he proved that it could be taught. The RR teaching thread is a simplified version of that original training. Everyone there has succeeded except you. You showed your telemetry of your progress. I watched you break the basic strategy. I wanted you to feel free to work it out or not on your own. I stayed silent when you gave up. I have my own opinion on how you failed. But I'm not going there. You came to it with your precognition interests more concerning to you. You went back to your primary interests. Your progress is there to see. You can't take it down.

If I get validated then they will be able to see if they can tell why you failed at something that works.  Nobody else there has failed. All their work on it confirms that it works. I did the arithmetic. Almost all of them reached 4.66 won sessions at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. That equates to a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. Go back and do the math on all your own examples. You quit while you were above 1 to 1 win to loss ratio. You also admitted that you tried to apply precognition to it. I'm happy with all the results, even yours. I want to thank you again for trying it in the public view.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 23, 11:12 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:37 AM 2020
That's not true at all. I personally trained the first student one on one and he proved that it could be taught. The RR teaching thread is a simplified version of that original training. Everyone there has succeeded except you. You showed your telemetry of your progress. I watched you break the basic strategy. I wanted you to feel free to work it out or not on your own. I stayed silent when you gave up. I have my own opinion on how you failed. But I'm not going there. You came to it with your precognition interests more concerning to you. You went back to your primary interests. Your progress is there to see. You can't take it down.

If I get validated then they will be able to see if they can tell why you failed at something that works.  Nobody else there has failed. All their work on it confirms that it works. I did the arithmetic. Almost all of them reached 4.66 won sessions at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. That equates to a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. Go back and do the math on all your own examples. You quit while you were above 1 to 1 win to loss ratio. You also admitted that you tried to apply precognition to it. I'm happy with all the results, even yours. I want to thank you again for trying it in the public view.

I was being too nice to you it seems. I previously took your word on good faith that you had students that RR worked for, but since reviewing your threads it was obvious everyone who tried it gave up because it is nonsense and does not work.

Add to this the fact you have failed to win on MPR and roulette simulator it just proves what utter bullshit RR is.

If you can't even get it right how do you expect others to learn it?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:21 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 23, 11:12 AM 2020I was being too nice to you it seems. I previously took your word on good faith that you had students that RR worked for, but since reviewing your threads it was obvious everyone who tried it gave up because it is nonsense and does not work.

Add to this the fact you have failed to win on MPR and roulette simulator it just proves what utter bullshit RR is.

If you can't even get it right how do you expect others to learn it?
Your effort there, your own try, clearly shows you barging right through losing streaks. I have no doubt that you see the other people that tried it publicly as quitters. How are you doing convincing people with precognition? I don't care about your opinion. It's not a validated opinion. I wonder if you could handle some of the people that have it working for them. One guy thinks it's the most important thread at the entire forum. Has anyone said anything like that about your ESP stuff?

This is how it works. I put it all there. You are the only representation of failure. It's a great honor. Now you are pretending to know things that are not there. I havn't been keeping up with your magic act. How is it going for you?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:25 AM 2020
You got anything like this?

Xytras said: â†'
And good on you! I truly think your RR thread is a most important thread on this entire board! And thank you for that! Our way of thinking a game of Baccarat is in a complete alignment. Before I even joined here, I was playing the same way that you preach on RR for a couple of years and it just confirmed that I was doing something right! Good job!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 23, 11:37 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:21 AM 2020
Your effort there, your own try, clearly shows you barging right through losing streaks.

What the hell are you talking about?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:21 AM 2020How are you doing convincing people with precognition?

I demonstrate I don't need to convince.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:21 AM 2020I wonder if you could handle some of the people that have it working for them


Who are these invisible people you speak off?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:21 AM 2020Has anyone said anything like that about your ESP stuff?

Yes and I didn't invent any of this precognition stuff. It was already on the forum before me.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:21 AM 2020This is how it works. I put it all there. You are the only representation of failure. It's a great honor. Now you are pretending to know things that are not there. I havn't been keeping up with your magic act. How is it going for you?

You just need to shut up and demonstrate it. I am first place on MPR where are you?

Nobody cares about RR because you can't prove it works. Sorry to burst your fragile ego, but there are multiple people on this forum not impressed by your lies and bullshit.

I was naively being too nice to you.

Precognition = demonstrated to work
RR = failed demonstrations

Prove RR works, or shut up about it. We don't care about your imaginary students.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 11:52 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 23, 11:12 AM 2020Prove RR works, or shut up about it.
I'll shut up.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 23, 12:08 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 23, 08:27 AM 2020
Practice? You claimed to have been winning and teaching this for over 10 years. And you can't put up a winning record on Roulette Simulator?

Who do you think you are fooling? There is too many contradictions and lies in all of your statements.

It's so funny you (I think) said they take turns in the spot light or something of that order.  It's kind of true.  I just noticed it.  Now that CHT has taken a breather.  It's a "pattern".  Ha.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 01:03 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 08:57 AM 2020
Stay cool. Please stop misrepresenting my claims. I have been talking about RR for 15 years. Three years ago I changed by learning something better. I applied RR to it and set out to prove that I could teach this new stuff. I waited one year and in July 2019 I shared it all openly. I provided free practice software and answered all the questions openly without just dropping hints. That thread is done. Those skills are there for anyone to work on it if they want it. You are just about over the top with your illusions of it. I hope you gamble like that too.

Misrepresent your claims? You claimed that:
1) You been teaching this for over 10 years.
2) You have students who you turned into winning Roulette players
3) You will prove and demonstrate it by winning on MPR and Roulette Simulator.

So far, you have lost many times on Roulette Simulator and you also lost on MPR. There is not a SINGLE student of yours who came in here and vouched for you.

At this point, you have lost any credibility that you had left. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 01:05 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Sep 23, 12:08 PM 2020
It's so funny you (I think) said they take turns in the spot light or something of that order.  It's kind of true.  I just noticed it.  Now that CHT has taken a breather.  It's a "pattern".  Ha.

Which one of them is on the strong side and which one is on the weak side?  :lol:
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 02:03 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:37 AM 2020
That's not true at all. I personally trained the first student one on one and he proved that it could be taught. The RR teaching thread is a simplified version of that original training. Everyone there has succeeded except you. You showed your telemetry of your progress. I watched you break the basic strategy. I wanted you to feel free to work it out or not on your own. I stayed silent when you gave up. I have my own opinion on how you failed. But I'm not going there. You came to it with your precognition interests more concerning to you. You went back to your primary interests. Your progress is there to see. You can't take it down.

If I get validated then they will be able to see if they can tell why you failed at something that works.  Nobody else there has failed. All their work on it confirms that it works. I did the arithmetic. Almost all of them reached 4.66 won sessions at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. That equates to a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. Go back and do the math on all your own examples. You quit while you were above 1 to 1 win to loss ratio. You also admitted that you tried to apply precognition to it. I'm happy with all the results, even yours. I want to thank you again for trying it in the public view.

So what we have so far, is proof of two people failing (you are one of them) at using this method. You lost on RS, and so did precogmiles with this. You really have dug your own grave here.

The rest are imaginary students. If they are not imaginary, bring them up and let's see their results.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 23, 02:10 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 23, 02:03 PM 2020
So what we have so far, is proof of two people failing (you are one of them) at using this method. You lost on RS, and so did precogmiles with this. You really have dug your own grave here.

The rest are imaginary students. If they are not imaginary, bring them up and let's see their results.

I challenge you to a psych off.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 04:47 PM 2020
Just wanted to make sure that all of you mathZombies are all fully grounded and dyed in the wool regarding your math fallacies.  You really need this ammunition when you come up against anything that you want to look smart at.

link:s://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-042j-mathematics-for-computer-science-fall-2010/video-lectures/lecture-25-random-walks/
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 23, 05:10 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 04:47 PM 2020
Just wanted to make sure that all of you mathZombies are all fully grounded and dyed in the wool regarding your math fallacies.  You really need this ammunition when you come up against anything that you want to look smart at.

link:s://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-042j-mathematics-for-computer-science-fall-2010/video-lectures/lecture-25-random-walks/

Pfff...  You couldn't even challenge me.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Kairomancer on Sep 23, 05:16 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 23, 02:03 PM 2020
So what we have so far, is proof of two people failing (you are one of them) at using this method. You lost on RS, and so did precogmiles with this. You really have dug your own grave here.

The rest are imaginary students. If they are not imaginary, bring them up and let's see their results.
Add me and Denzie (afaik he even paid money for RR coaching) to the list of failed attempts at RR.

I believe Gizmo mistakenly thinks that I am precogmiles based on his replies.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 05:30 PM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 23, 05:16 PM 2020Add me and Denzie (afaik he even paid money for RR coaching) to the list of failed attempts at RR.
You did not pay for this version of RR based on Even Chance play. You paid for Double Dozens. Back then I taught going for the super win streak and descending deep into the bankroll. Someone suggested watching a video on trading stocks like a casino. Everything changed after that. Denzie and I worked at length on attempting to crack TurboGenius' hot number theories too. Did you learn visual dexterity?  I think that it's very important that you failed. I need lots of proof that it does not work.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 05:34 PM 2020
Even if you tried the newest version at the Reading Randomness thread I need people like you that failed. I'm letting you all know that you ran me off.  I like that it's a lost cause here. I'll use a better method for validation. Don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 05:36 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:37 AM 2020
Everyone there has succeeded except you

Nobody else there has failed. All their work on it confirms that it works. I did the arithmetic. Almost all of them reached 4.66 won sessions at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses.

So it turns out Gizmotron lied again? Here he is saying that everyone succeeded except precogmiles, but now we have another former student of his coming out and saying that he (Kairomancer) and Denzie also failed.

Gizmotron - all of your students so far have came out and said that your method has failed. Something doesn't add up here.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 05:47 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 05:30 PM 2020
You did not pay for this version of RR based on Even Chance play. You paid for Double Dozens. Back then I taught going for the super win streak and descending deep into the bankroll. Someone suggested watching a video on trading stocks like a casino. Everything changed after that. Denzie and I worked at length on attempting to crack TurboGenius' hot number theories too. Did you learn visual dexterity?  I think that it's very important that you failed. I need lots of proof that it does not work.

So back then whatever you were teaching was a losing method? And your "new version" is a winning one?

Enough with excuses and bs, as of now, we got a proof that 4 people (including yourself), have lost with RR.

How about you show us ONE of many of your successful students that you turned into a winning player.

Why has not a single person came in here to vouch for you?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 23, 06:00 PM 2020
After doing a little digging, here is what Denzie had to say about Gizmotron:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.msg209101#msg209101

Quote from: denzie on Sep 08, 04:22 PM 2018
At least Dynzie isnt a loser for 20 years and still bankrupt,  scamming others with some fancy mumbo jumbo. SCAMMER !!!!!!  :yawn:

Quote from: denzie on Sep 08, 04:25 PM 2018
Tell the world you're a broke scammer. But hey......lil Gizmo......prove me wrong on MPR ..... shut me up and show what you got. Action speak louder than words......  :-X

Quote from: denzie on Nov 16, 10:27 AM 2019
No , they have not. He's a scammer who's good with words but cant win this game.

Of course he can prove me wrong by beating the game provided here. No words but Actions  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 23, 06:11 PM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 23, 05:16 PM 2020
I believe Gizmo mistakenly thinks that I am precogmiles based on his replies.

Thanks for clarifying, kairo.

No wonder he is full of shit. I have never been his student.

Gizmo get some help! Take a break from this online world and roulette. Go make your music and enjoy your life. Stop wasting your time on Reading randomness it is a failed idea.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 07:25 PM 2020
OK, so it was you. I know it was someone trying precognition. Did you shit can that too?

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 02:01 AM 2020
I've been reading some comments on what I should do. Basically it's prove it or shut up.

That's sounds like good advice. So I'll shut up here. I will probably only answer questions over there if asked.

After 15 years of fighting with people I can see that it has gotten nowhere.

I just can't decide how to prove it. I started gambling online because of this Covid-19 stuff. At first I thought they were using targeting algorithms perhaps. But what I discovered is that the RNG output goes through ups and downs just like a fair randomness. Since I fooled around with Roulette Simulator and its basic 3,000 unit start point I discovered that I like 30 times my base value bet instead of 7 net losses and out.  So I've shifted that to real online gambling.  My goal is to never lose a full 30 units, by basically sticking with a session until I win it.

I don't know how to prove it with that though. But  we will have a vaccine soon enough and I will take that being prime in the target for getting killed by the virus. I plan on going Pro, according to IRS requirements here in the States. I suppose my gambling taxes might serve as proof. That would get rejected somehow by Photoshop I suspect. I have a nephew that graduated from MIT with undergraduate and graduate degrees. I could arrange a meeting with some of the professors there through him. That would be a shocker for you guys.

But one of you suggested that perhaps only I can do this alone and so nobody else can do it. So I'm back to not having any valuable proof.  It's too boring for me to prove it at RS. At least online gambling has real consequences.

Anyway, what I'm doing here is clearly non productive.

Let me give you one last laugh. You really should find out if my Global Effect and the Elegant Pattern are actually the greatest gambling opportunities there ever is in gambling. I know I never convinced a single person on those two things. So laugh it up.  And if you are out on your bike at night, don't forget to wear white Spandex.

I think I need to go for that million dollar brass ring just to get attention.

So I will leave you all with a song. It's been real.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=52EeVLOeM0w
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 24, 02:54 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 02:01 AM 2020
I've been reading some comments on what I should do. Basically it's prove it or shut up.

That's sounds like good advice. So I'll shut up here. I will probably only answer questions over there if asked.

After 15 years of fighting with people I can see that it has gotten nowhere.

I just can't decide how to prove it. I started gambling online because of this Covid-19 stuff. At first I thought they were using targeting algorithms perhaps. But what I discovered is that the RNG output goes through ups and downs just like a fair randomness. Since I fooled around with Roulette Simulator and its basic 3,000 unit start point I discovered that I like 30 times my base value bet instead of 7 net losses and out.  So I've shifted that to real online gambling.  My goal is to never lose a full 30 units, by basically sticking with a session until I win it.

I don't know how to prove it with that though. But  we will have a vaccine soon enough and I will take that being prime in the target for getting killed by the virus. I plan on going Pro, according to IRS requirements here in the States. I suppose my gambling taxes might serve as proof. That would get rejected somehow by Photoshop I suspect. I have a nephew that graduated from MIT with undergraduate and graduate degrees. I could arrange a meeting with some of the professors there through him. That would be a shocker for you guys.

But one of you suggested that perhaps only I can do this alone and so nobody else can do it. So I'm back to not having any valuable proof.  It's too boring for me to prove it at RS. At least online gambling has real consequences.

Anyway, what I'm doing here is clearly non productive.

Let me give you one last laugh. You really should find out if my Global Effect and the Elegant Pattern are actually the greatest gambling opportunities there ever is in gambling. I know I never convinced a single person on those two things. So laugh it up.  And if you are out on your bike at night, don't forget to wear white Spandex.

I think I need to go for that million dollar brass ring just to get attention.

So I will leave you all with a song. It's been real.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=52EeVLOeM0w

You've asked for it.  It's on like DK.  Time and place?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 06:01 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 02:01 AM 2020
It's too boring for me to prove it at RS. At least online gambling has real consequences.

So you lost on purpose or because you were bored on RS? Which one is it going to be?

Precogmiles proved it on MPR and on RS - was it too boring for him?

Steve provides proof for his Roulette Computers as well - is it too boring for him?

Like I have been saying, you are a conman - that's why the only proof we have is of you and your students losing.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Elite on Sep 24, 08:32 AM 2020
Random exists in pattern,,,  first  step  to identify it,  2nd to manage  bet  in that  pattern,,,  this I hope  gizm  want to convey,, if no pattern in random,,   then martingale  will  kill  roulette  everyday,,  one  column bet  where  a column  hit  in every 6 spins,,  will  make  casino  out  of business,,, so yes  pattern exists,,,  I agree  with gizm
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 08:41 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 06:01 AM 2020So you lost on purpose or because you were bored on RS? Which one is it going to be?

Precogmiles proved it on MPR and on RS - was it too boring for him?

Steve provides proof for his Roulette Computers as well - is it too boring for him?

Like I have been saying, you are a conman - that's why the only proof we have is of you and your students losing.

You are the conman for pretending to tell yourself what is going on and then sharing your assumptions as facts.

I played these free simulations three times, won 50 sessions in a row using three net wins and out, then blindly let big bets kill me off by just pressing repeat bet and spin. You people had my 50 wins in a row before you for several weeks and said nothing. I came to the conclusion that 50 wins in a row was not going to be enough for any of you. Nobody checked my bet technique for bet selections. In other words I can only assume that nobody wanted proof or to see these50 wins in a row.  I tried to share three different times. All I got was crickets. If I had to use your intellect to get by I'd file for disability.

You have nothing but crap to suggest how things work.  Starting from false assumptions and  making things up makes you the one that is questionable. Just look at what you guys said after I did 50 sessions.  You don't know what I have written about getting tired and getting lazy and you won't allow me to be who I really am. Instead you have gone on a witch hunt and you think you have accomplished something.   I like you like this. Retribution is built into yourself by design. You are a self destructing bomb.

How can it be a con job if I gave it all away for free and provided a way to prove it to yourself without having to go to a casino first?  Add this to the stack. Every person that has asked me for private one on one lessens was directed to the free training thread and then asked if they wanted to pay for the one on one training or go through the free version on their own.  Every one of them has gone for the free version.  You have trouble with what you think this is. You then flap your beak too much. Your credibility is suspect.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 08:43 AM 2020
Quote from: Elite on Sep 24, 08:32 AM 2020Random exists in pattern,,,  first  step  to identify it,  2nd to manage  bet  in that  pattern,,,  this I hope  gizm  want to convey,, if no pattern in random,,   then martingale  will  kill  roulette  everyday,,  one  column bet  where  a column  hit  in every 6 spins,,  will  make  casino  out  of business,,, so yes  pattern exists,,,  I agree  with gizm
Thank you. The gambler controls when they bet, where they bet, and how much they bet.  It's a wonderful condition.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 08:45 AM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Sep 24, 02:54 AM 2020You've asked for it.  It's on like DK.  Time and place?
What does that mean?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 08:53 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 08:41 AM 2020
You are the conman for pretending to tell yourself what is going on and then sharing your assumptions as facts.

I played these free simulations three times, won 50 sessions in a row using three net wins and out, then blindly let big bets kill me off by just pressing repeat bet and spin. You people had my 50 wins in a row before you for several weeks and said nothing. I came to the conclusion that 50 wins in a row was not going to be enough for any of you. Nobody checked my bet technique for bet selections. In other words I can only assume that nobody wanted proof or to see these50 wins in a row.  I tried to share three different times. All I got was crickets. If I had to use your intellect to get by I'd file for disability.

You have nothing but crap to suggest how things work.  Starting from false assumptions and  making things up makes you the one that is questionable. Just look at what you guys said after I did 50 sessions.  You don't know what I have written about getting tired and getting lazy and you won't allow me to be who I really am. Instead you have gone on a witch hunt and you think you have accomplished something.   I like you like this. Retribution is built into yourself by design. You are a self destructing bomb.

How can it be a con job if I gave it all away for free and provided a way to prove it to yourself without having to go to a casino first?  Add this to the stack. Every person that has asked me for private one on one lessens was directed to the free training thread and then asked if they wanted to pay for the one on one training or go through the free version on their own.  Every one of them has gone for the free version.  You have trouble with what you think this is. You then flap your beak too much. Your credibility is suspect.

You are a conman because every time you say something, a LIE comes out of your mouth.

1)Anyone can win 50 "sessions" in a row, if in a session, you play play 3 spins on average. It is meaningless - Steve has also said that. I can play a session for 3 spins, get a win, and restart another "session". At this rate, you can get even 1000 sessions, as it is very short term. What matters is not short term, but long term.

2)You claimed that you were flat betting, and that turned out to be a lie. You were using progression and recovery to win in short term.

Here are the screenshots from your last session on RS:
link:s://prnt.sc/umeq0x
link:s://prnt.sc/uml3nf

As you can see, you have been doubling your bets upon losses.

3) You claimed that you will prove it to everyone by winning on RS. You claimed that you got bored, then you claimed you lost on purpose, which turned out to be a lie. You restarted 10 times on RS and you are still losing: link:s://prnt.sc/umerek

4) You claimed to have been teaching this for over 10 years and that you turned ALL of your students into winning players. That's a lie! There have been 3 people that you taught in the past who came in here and claimed that they lost using RR. Another student called you a straight up scammer.

So far, there has been 0 proof, and only lies coming out of your mouth. This is why I called you a conman and not only me.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 08:58 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 08:53 AM 2020As you can see, you have been doubling your bets upon losses.
You fell for it hook line an sinker.  Thank you.  You got treated exactly to what you hoped you would see. I shouldn't complain really. I created a Spandex boy. Let's see if you can figure out why I would have done that. Duhhh!

You are my trained Pit Yorkie. Sit, stay, stop licking your butt.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:05 AM 2020
This is actually funny. Do you really think that after spending 15 years on randomness, coincidence, and win streaks that I secretly actually use the Martingale? 

I've got a bridge to sell you over prime swamp land in Florida.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 09:08 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 08:58 AM 2020
You fell for it hook line an sinker.  Thank you.  You got treated exactly to what you hoped you would see. I shouldn't complain really. I created a Spandex boy. Let's see if you can figure out why I would have done that. Duhhh!

You are my trained Pit Yorkie. Sit, stay, stop licking your butt.

I am not the one who creates imaginary students, then loses on RS, and then claim that I lost on purpose to save the embarrassment. I am not the one who's past students call you scammer, and say that your method is BS.

Facts are still there, which you can't hide from. At this point, I am enjoying your train crash and the truth finally coming out!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:09 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 08:53 AM 2020Anyone can win 50 "sessions" in a row, if in a session, you play play 3 spins on average. It is meaningless
Thank you for confirming that you never checked my bets.  It must be a kind of special gift to know what you know.

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble; it's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 09:10 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:05 AM 2020
This is actually funny. Do you really think that after spending 15 years on randomness, coincidence, and win streaks that I secretly actually use the Martingale? 

I've got a bridge to sell you over prime swamp land in Florida.

Did I say that you were using martingale? I have not seen a single session where when you lost, you didn't increase the bet size.

It is very sad, that after 15 years, you can't win on RS and need to lie about your imaginary students.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 09:15 AM 2020
Gizmo, you have losing record on RS, with over 10 resets and a losing record on MPR. You got former students calling you a scammer and former students saying that RR doesn't work. You got caught lying many times.

There is 0 proof that whatever you do works.

You have dug your own grave.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:18 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 09:08 AM 2020I am not the one who creates imaginary students, then loses on RS, and then claim that I lost on purpose to save the embarrassment. I am not the one who's past students call you scammer, and say that your method is BS.
No you are not. You are the one that creates imaginary students. I didn't lose on save myself from embarrassment. I lost on purpose because people like you already know what you know and don't need to read what really happened. You people said play at the practice site where all my telemetry could not lie. And then all I got for all that work was crickets. Denzie is not the consensus of the almost 40 students over the past 8 years. Where is the throng of students that claim that I scammed them?  One guy that failed at TurboGenius does not make a quorum. Why are you so ticked off? It wasn't even you. You already know everything. What a creation. Thank you for cooperating and flipping out. Save the world.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:23 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 09:15 AM 2020Gizmo, you have losing record on RS, with over 10 resets and a losing record on MPR. You got former students calling you a scammer and former students saying that RR doesn't work. You got caught lying many times.
That's just proof that you can be manipulated. You are in fact daring me to go ahead and prove it.  Why should I bother if someone like you already knows the answers?  Did it ever occur to you that I wanted to openly share my bet selections?  When it all fell on deaf ears I decided to play chumps like you. Now you are the savior of the gambling world, my creation. Thank you for proving it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:26 AM 2020
This is best of all. You actually believe that I use the Martingale.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 09:27 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:18 AM 2020
I didn't lose on save myself from embarrassment. I lost on purpose because people like you already know what you know and don't need to read what really happened.
So you lost on purpose more than 9 times on RS (you got 10 resets) and also on MPR? Do you expect anyone to believe this?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:18 AM 2020
Denzie is not the consensus of the almost 40 students over the past 8 years. Where is the throng of students that claim that I scammed them?  One guy that failed at TurboGenius does not make a quorum.

You claimed that you turned ALL of your students into winning players. Yet, yesterday Kairo came out and said that he lost. Denzie also paid for your coaching and lost. So that was a LIE and so far we have 2 former people claiming that they lost.

Where are the other 38 people? And why not a single one has came in to vouch for you? Answer: They are imaginary.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:31 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 09:10 AM 2020Did I say that you were using martingale? I have not seen a single session where when you lost, you didn't increase the bet size.

It is very sad, that after 15 years, you can't win on RS and need to lie about your imaginary students.
Once again you have proved that you already know everything without having to read it.  Do you know what "Up & Pull" is, who suggested it, and what (2, 1, 2) means?  You just didn't look into it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:35 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 09:27 AM 2020You claimed that you turned ALL of your students into winning players.
No I did not fiction boy.  I never talked about any of my students from the past other than the last one that worked extensively one on one and reached 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1.  None of the people at the teaching thread are my students. These are people trying it on their own and getting an occasional answer.  You look very bad at this point.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:40 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 09:27 AM 2020o you lost on purpose more than 9 times on RS (you got 10 resets) and also on MPR? Do you expect anyone to believe this?
It worked on you. I figured that I needed to do that to get a rise out of people like you. It worked perfectly. Go ahead, grab all the facts that you need to arrive at your conclusions. I played at RS just to share my real bets. That went nowhere real fast. So I started to play a better game. I started playing pull the idiots chain. There is nothing stopping you from finding out if it works for you. I'm hoping that you are so smart that you don't need to.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:46 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 09:27 AM 2020Where are the other 38 people? And why not a single one has came in to vouch for you? Answer: They are imaginary.
I don't think you will listen but I'll tell you anyway. All of them were trained to go after the double dozens, 24 to 26 numbers at a time for each funded bet.  I found out that it did not work well with the suggestions made by the Adam Khoo. Everything changed after that. All the previous students were all taught to wait for the huge win streak and to attack it vigorously. They were taught to let themselves descend deep into their bankrolls while waiting for it. That is what I showed Denzie. I had practice software for them with double dozens sets.  There is only one student of the new EC stuff and in combination with Adam Khoo's suggestions. All this new stuff has taken up the last three years.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Kairomancer on Sep 24, 09:55 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:35 AM 2020I never talked about any of my students from the past other than the last one that worked extensively one on one and reached 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1.  None of the people at the teaching thread are my students. These are people trying it on their own and getting an occasional answer.
That is correct.

I did exstensive test of over 200 sessions with every possible variations playing flat bet and concluded that it is not safe to play this with 21 units of total bankroll as suggested.
Bad streaks of first losses do happen and it can last for months.

I think this method still has merit enhanced with precognition to gauge the working conditions for a promising pattern or possible coincidences.
I think playing ECs with la partage rules is superior to single number guessing with precognition. The reasons are the lower house edge and easier to avoid suspicion/detection.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Kairomancer on Sep 24, 10:18 AM 2020
To be clear I have not tested RR with precog, so it is just mere speculation.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 10:45 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 24, 09:55 AM 2020I did exstensive test of over 200 sessions with every possible variations playing flat bet
I have failed at flat bet. I tried to explain what I do now after you left. I use a fragmented part of John Patrick's up & pull. I start with 2 times my base big bet value and if I win I use half that on the next try. If that wins I'm done with my three net wins and out.

If I lose that bet at 2 times the base value then I stay at 2 times until I recover around half way. I then go between 1 time and 2 times the value. This is why I do that. It is stupid to not press when you are in a win streak, specially a good win streak. I tried to flat bet only at RS and got killed because I was  trying to recover a slow grind downward with single valued flat bets. It's stupid to play for six or seven wins from a win streak to try and get ahead. I play micro streaks and only take one net win off of them at a time. There are more first try net wins than there are two in a row wins. I'm sorry you tried this with just flat betting.  I can't do it either. But I killed it at RS with all of those tests of 50 sessions using (2, 1) or (1, 2, 2, 2, 2,)  John Patrick Up & Pull. I really expected to get trashed for appearing to double my bets on that. But nobody wanted any explanation of the Up & Pull and attacking strong win streaks.

In fact the word "attacking" is a trigger word for Spandex boys.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 10:54 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 24, 09:55 AM 2020Bad streaks of first losses do happen and it can last for months.
That is very interesting.  My one on one student lost three sessions in a row, 21 net losses once. I have lost three sessions in a row only once. I encouraged people to try this in hopes of finding out these answers about who can do what. I got more from your try than anyone. You really did try 200 sessions. You posted them all so that you could read the results and the bets placed. One other guy did really well and has now gone on to other ways to gamble. He has no way to try it out in a casino, too far to go. But I don't know why he moved on. Not talking about it and I won't bother people that are not saying on their own. But I was and still am glad that you did the best job of putting all the examples of your sessions in plain view.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 11:04 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 24, 09:55 AM 2020I think this method still has merit enhanced with precognition to gauge the working conditions for a promising pattern or possible coincidences.
I would not ask you to go back and try a restricted attack against excellent win streaks at the ( 2, ) value.  You do have win streak recognition skills.  You are going along at flat betting but you add the double value when it really is looking good. It's that simple. You back off to the ( 1, ) value after you have stayed long enough at the higher value and automatically take a one net win for doing it. Anyway thanks for giving it a try. It might work with Precognition. But I have always had premonitions that equate to a single number. It just starts working when I first get there and then fades after a few spins.  Sometimes it happens in the middle of a session but only lasts for one time and then goes away.  I can't depend on it. But I guess someone could have precognition for sets  and groups like Black & Red.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 12:40 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 09:35 AM 2020
No I did not fiction boy.  I never talked about any of my students from the past other than the last one that worked extensively one on one and reached 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1.  None of the people at the teaching thread are my students. These are people trying it on their own and getting an occasional answer.  You look very bad at this point.

Yes you did say that, here is the quote:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:37 AM 2020
Everyone there has succeeded except you. You showed your telemetry of your progress. I watched you break the basic strategy. I wanted you to feel free to work it out or not on your own. I stayed silent when you gave up. I have my own opinion on how you failed. But I'm not going there. You came to it with your precognition interests more concerning to you. You went back to your primary interests. Your progress is there to see. You can't take it down.

If I get validated then they will be able to see if they can tell why you failed at something that works. Nobody else there has failed. All their work on it confirms that it works. I did the arithmetic. Almost all of them reached 4.66 won sessions at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. That equates to a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio.

At this point, you have lied so much, that you don't even remember?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 12:50 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 10:45 AM 2020
I have failed at flat bet.

I tried to flat bet only at RS and got killed because I was  trying to recover a slow grind downward with single valued flat bets. It's stupid to play for six or seven wins from a win streak to try and get ahead. I play micro streaks and only take one net win off of them at a time. There are more first try net wins than there are two in a row wins. I'm sorry you tried this with just flat betting.  I can't do it either. But I killed it at RS with all of those tests of 50 sessions using (2, 1) or (1, 2, 2, 2, 2,)  John Patrick Up & Pull. I really expected to get trashed for appearing to double my bets on that. But nobody wanted any explanation of the Up & Pull and attacking strong win streaks.

In fact the word "attacking" is a trigger word for Spandex boys.

Thank you for admitting that you have a losing method. If you can't win by flat betting, it means that it's a losing method, no matter which method it is.If you can only win with progression, it means that it can only win short term, as you don't have an edge, and playing with a big interest rate. This explains why you lost on RS.

Steve and any player who has their basic fundamentals down, will agree.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 01:07 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 12:50 PM 2020Thank you for admitting that you have a losing method.
And I have a loser on a chain too.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 01:30 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 01:07 PM 2020
And I have a loser on a chain too.

Your tactics - Deny, deflect, lie, and when backed into a corner, ignore or write some nonsense.

GG, you admitted that "Reading Randomness" is not a winning long term method.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 01:34 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 01:30 PM 2020GG, you admitted that "Reading Randomness" is not a winning long term method.
I know. That was the direct fuck with your head approach. Glad it worked.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 01:38 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 01:34 PM 2020
I know. That was the direct fuck with your head approach. Glad it worked.

What you said, was not even directed at me. Should have left this thread at the right time - now you got totally exposed.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 02:48 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 01:38 PM 2020What you said, was not even directed at me. Should have left this thread at the right time - now you got totally exposed.
It's actually interesting how you are like a Chatty Cathy Doll. You pull the string and you begin harping like your Spandex is dragging on the ground. You really are beginning to sound like a nagging old lady.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=f-sYQ8_2v_Q
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 24, 03:26 PM 2020
Gizmo, the facts remain the same:

1) You lost on both RS and MPR - on RS you lost over 9 times. You claimed it was done on purpose, and later said because you were bored.

2) You lied and made up imaginary students. You claimed you turned ALL students into winning players, when in fact all the people that have we heard from, said that your method doesn't work and that you are a scammer.

3) You admitted that got "killed" while flat betting and that you failed with winning at flat bet. Essentially, this means that your method/system is a losing one.

You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. You make up lies on the go, and then pretend like you didn't say them. Sorry, but there is no escaping this. What you said, cannot be undone.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 03:31 PM 2020
I know what it is about you. It's like I have my very own toy Adam Schiff with is bag of Russians to get Trump.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=a8oVefM21qw

Can you prove it in a court of law?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 24, 09:44 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 03:26 PM 2020
Gizmo, the facts remain the same:

1) You lost on both RS and MPR - on RS you lost over 9 times. You claimed it was done on purpose, and later said because you were bored.

2) You lied and made up imaginary students. You claimed you turned ALL students into winning players, when in fact all the people that have we heard from, said that your method doesn't work and that you are a scammer.

3) You admitted that got "killed" while flat betting and that you failed with winning at flat bet. Essentially, this means that your method/system is a losing one.

You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. You make up lies on the go, and then pretend like you didn't say them. Sorry, but there is no escaping this. What you said, cannot be undone.

Let's do lunch.  Where are you in the States?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 07:58 AM 2020
So you want it on like Donkey Kong?

Let's see if you are smart enough. This requires a third grade education or better and the ability to add and subtract.

1.) Can you see the strong side in each grouping in this chart pictured below by looking down each column one at a time?

2.) Can you tell from the spin numbers on the right for each spin how many connected spins each strong side had?

3.) Can you do the same 1 and 2 questions above for the weak side?

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 25, 08:56 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 07:58 AM 2020
So you want it on like Donkey Kong?

Let's see if you are smart enough. This requires a third grade education or better and the ability to add and subtract.

1.) Can you see the strong side in each grouping in this chart pictured below by looking down each column one at a time?

2.) Can you tell from the spin numbers on the right for each spin how many connected spins each strong side had?

3.) Can you do the same 1 and 2 questions above for the weak side?

I thought you were going to shut up?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 10:07 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 25, 08:56 AM 2020I thought you were going to shut up?
I was but I got to thinking that it can't be true that first try attempts can go on a losing streak for 3 months at a time.

So here is a question for you.  Would you like to see me wreck Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, and Blackjack just by taking people here on a very simplified one on one instruction of Reading Randomness? If I do it I mean these games would all be done. It would spread like wild fire. Could you stand watching this happen like a virus? It just means that I could not use it anymore.  I guess you could try ESP on slots.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 25, 11:05 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 10:07 AM 2020
I was but I got to thinking that it can't be true that first try attempts can go on a losing streak for 3 months at a time.

So here is a question for you.  Would you like to see me wreck Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, and Blackjack just by taking people here on a very simplified one on one instruction of Reading Randomness? If I do it I mean these games would all be done. It would spread like wild fire. Could you stand watching this happen like a virus? It just means that I could not use it anymore.  I guess you could try ESP on slots.

First prove it then make your grandiose statements.

You seem to like the idea of playing this amazing guru. But when we ask for proof you can't demonstrate it.

To be frank if RR is as good as you claim why not just get to the top 5 In roulette simulator or MPR. That would shut up everyone.

Have you noticed how the critics of precognition have shut up?  Do you know why? Because precognition was used to get me to 1st position of MPR and has got me 1st place of roulette simulator on multiple occasions.

It is simple, less talk and more action. Anyone can claim anything, nobody cares about claims.

People care about facts and winning methods.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 11:12 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 25, 11:05 AM 2020First prove it then make your grandiose statements.

You seem to like the idea of playing this amazing guru. But when we ask for proof you can't demonstrate it.

To be frank if RR is as good as you claim why not just get to the top 5 In roulette simulator or MPR. That would shut up everyone.

Have you noticed how the critics of precognition have shut up?  Do you know why? Because precognition was used to get me to 1st position of MPR and has got me 1st place of roulette simulator on multiple occasions.

It is simple, less talk and more action. Anyone can claim anything, nobody cares about claims.

People care about facts and winning methods.
OK, I'll take that as a yes.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Herby on Sep 25, 11:15 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 25, 11:05 AM 2020Have you noticed how the critics of precognition have shut up?
Because you are such a waste of time, you have no clue of math, you are not able  to program.
You left this forum to get a real life, seems you failed as always.
Now you are back, still precoxing.   :xd:
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 25, 11:24 AM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Sep 25, 11:15 AM 2020
Because you are such a waste of time, you have no clue of math, you are not able  to program.
You left this forum to get a real life, seems you failed as always.
Now you are back, still precoxing.   :xd:

This is all that is left of the system junkie losers like this herby troll. All they have are just personal insults.

I am first place on MPR with a Winrate of 1.4 I'll let you do the maths on that.

They can't deal with the fact precognition works, because they have spent the last 10 year's wasting their lives trying to make 1 + 1 = 3. Losers.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Sep 25, 11:36 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 11:12 AM 2020
OK, I'll take that as a yes.

Ok, how will you demonstrate it?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 25, 12:11 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 25, 11:24 AM 2020
This is all that is left of the system junkie losers like this herby troll. All they have are just personal insults.

I am first place on MPR with a Winrate of 1.4 I'll let you do the maths on that.

They can't deal with the fact precognition works, because they have spent the last 10 year's wasting their lives trying to make 1 + 1 = 3. Losers.

Battle of the numbers flubbers?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 12:42 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 25, 11:36 AM 2020Ok, how will you demonstrate it?
I'm working on that.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 25, 01:28 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 12:42 PM 2020
I'm working on that.

Both you guys flub numbers and both you guys don't even play out on the field.   This is hilarious. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 01:34 PM 2020
"My edge is a large enough number of people doing this and producing win to loss results that are demonstrably beyond the possibility of inaccuracy."
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 26, 06:17 AM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Sep 25, 12:11 PM 2020
Battle of the numbers flubbers?

The difference is day and night.

Precogmiles, gotten first place on MPR and RS, while Gizmo has a losing record on both.

Precogmiles uses flat betting, while Gizmo admitted that he can't win by flat betting and needs to use progression.

There are many other people who have succeeded by using precognition. You can even find some on this forum.

There is 0 people that we know of, that have succeeded with RR.

On top of that, Gizmo is a pathological liar - after all the BS he posted, you can't take anything seriously that comes out of his mouth.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 26, 06:48 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 26, 06:17 AM 2020On top of that, Gizmo is a pathological liar - after all the BS he posted, you can't take anything seriously that comes out of his mouth.
You are a wise person and everyone should follow you like the Pied Piper.

I figured out what to do about it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 26, 12:40 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 25, 10:07 AM 2020
So here is a question for you.  Would you like to see me wreck Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, and Blackjack just by taking people here on a very simplified one on one instruction of Reading Randomness? If I do it I mean these games would all be done. It would spread like wild fire. Could you stand watching this happen like a virus? It just means that I could not use it anymore.  I guess you could try ESP on slots.

You have been talking about it for 15 years, and after 15 years you couldn't beat RS nor MPR. And you think that you will wreck all those games all of the sudden? All talk, and nothing to show for it, just like a typical BS charlatan politician.

At this point, it's best if you got some professional help and took time off - you are beyond delusional.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 26, 01:28 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 26, 12:40 PM 2020
You have been talking about it for 15 years, and after 15 years you couldn't beat RS nor MPR. And you think that you will wreck all those games all of the sudden? All talk, and nothing to show for it, just like a typical BS charlatan politician.

At this point, it's best if you got some professional help and took time off - you are beyond delusional.

Is Precog afraid of EC?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 26, 02:33 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 26, 12:40 PM 2020You have been talking about it for 15 years, and after 15 years you couldn't beat RS nor MPR. And you think that you will wreck all those games all of the sudden? All talk, and nothing to show for it, just like a typical BS charlatan politician.

At this point, it's best if you got some professional help and took time off - you are beyond delusional.
Yes I have. But three years ago someone here suggested a video. I watched it and saw something great. I worked on it a little. Got really good at it. Taught it to someone else, waited a year. Then a year ago I wrote about it as an experiment to see if anyone could learn it self taught.  You are always a jerk. Keep up the great job. So I have only been talking about this for a little more than a year.

Now don't hear that. We need you to stay in the mud with 15 years. That way people that listen to you will see you as a dope.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Sep 26, 02:56 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 26, 02:33 PM 2020
Yes I have. But three years ago someone here suggested a video. I watched it and saw something great. I worked on it a little. Got really good at it. Taught it to someone else, waited a year. Then a year ago I wrote about it as an experiment to see if anyone could learn it self taught.  You are always a jerk. Keep up the great job. So I have only been talking about this for a little more than a year.

Now don't hear that. We need you to stay in the mud with 15 years. That way people that listen to you will see you as a dope.

Except that's not how you went about it - once you again you are distorting the truth. You made up excuses and lies, as to why you lost on MPR and RS, and the fact that you taught 30+ people, and turned them all into a winning players.

Question: Did you turn 30+ students of yours into winning players before you saw the video or after?

If stating facts and caring about truth is being a "jerk", then I am happy to be one.

You have positioned yourself as a "guru", or somebody who has been successful at this for many years. You did not present yourself as someone who is testing something out, or somebody who is doing experiments. Your arrogant attitude plus so many lies along the way, is the reason why I should continue to call you out on your BS, until more people catch on.

Whenever I present actual arguments and facts that you can't deny, you write some silly response or go on personal attacks like a little child.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 26, 03:16 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 26, 02:56 PM 2020Except that's not how you went about it - once you again you are distorting the truth. You made up excuses and lies, as to why you lost on MPR and RS, and the fact that you taught 30+ people, and turned them all into a winning players.

Question: Did you turn 30+ students of yours into winning players before you saw the video or after?

If stating facts and caring about truth is being a "jerk", then I am happy to be one.

You have positioned yourself as a "guru", or somebody who has been successful at this for many years. You did not present yourself as someone who is testing something out, or somebody who is doing experiments. Your arrogant attitude plus so many lies along the way, is the reason why I should continue to call you out on your BS, until more people catch on.

Whenever I present actual arguments and facts that you can't deny, you write some silly response or go on personal attacks like a little child.
I don't care how you complain. You want proof so I'm going to do that the long and hard way. It won't take another 15 years.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Sep 26, 03:36 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 26, 03:16 PM 2020
I don't care how you complain. You want proof so I'm going to do that the long and hard way. It won't take another 15 years.

First off, get your story straight, chief.  As I also caught on to some of that fibbing.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 26, 04:01 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Sep 26, 03:36 PM 2020First off, get your story straight, chief.  As I also caught on to some of that fibbing.
Don't care how you complain either.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 21, 03:36 AM 2020
Didn't work well in the end hmmm? Just seen your deep dive yesterday...11 resets already.
Don't mean to sound critical, keep up the best work brother.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 09:30 AM 2020
Gizmotron, please help. I've read all your pages on gamblingforums, but cannot figure it out. Sometimes I can win with singles on the weak side and doubles on the strong side, but it isn't always working.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 09:32 AM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 03:36 AM 2020Didn't work well in the end hmmm? Just seen your deep dive yesterday...11 resets already.
Don't mean to sound critical, keep up the best work brother.
He does this on purpose to toy with mathnazis. He even told you this.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 09:33 AM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Sep 26, 03:36 PM 2020First off, get your story straight, chief.  As I also caught on to some of that fibbing.
Why don't you stop trolling and be a man. Act like an adult for once. You may learn something.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:37 AM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 03:36 AM 2020
Didn't work well in the end hmmm? Just seen your deep dive yesterday...11 resets already.
Don't mean to sound critical, keep up the best work brother.

Here's the deal. I did all this for me. I went through discovering why I was losing at the casinos when I would go on expensive junkets.  I was trying all this with too small a bankroll.  I would bring about 10 units for the bankroll.  Even though I would use virtual bets I was still losing too many sessions. Those numbers for 3/7 and 4.66 won sessions for each lost session are real. I would just get taken out by the low bankroll and be forced to quit.

This lockdown stuff gave me time to try out the 3000 "Rated" games. I had a huge bankroll to work with. I discovered that I could use 100 & 200 as the unit value and have plenty of room to maneuver. It looks like I could go on forever winning just 300 points per session using my ( 2, 1, ) or ( 1, 2, )  style of moving through good and better sequences of each session. This method is what works best for me.

I hate getting bored. In fact I just about self destruct a lot because of it. I just pick a bet and let it ride until it bottoms out. That's what happened. I can't stop myself from just giving up the fight.  I never lose when I'm willing to fight for each win.

It's all meaningless. If I go on a  huge win streak for several months it will all go as meaning nothing. It will not prove a thing. But I got something important out of all this. I know I must bring 4 session bankrolls of 7 units each to the casino. I need that much maneuvering room. I must also quit every session that I break my rules and become complacent in, right as I don't care about winning.  I got that from RS. Gambling has been a quest to actually attempt to make a living from it for me.

The critics and the skeptics don't matter. What they believe is irrelevant. They have never showed me how to win consistently.

I don't have to overcome my weakness to get lazy. But I might try something new here. I'm thinking of quitting each time I get tired or bored, no matter where in the session I am at the time.  It will be my way of experiencing discipline and practicing that.

You can't do anything about the mathZombies and their cancel culture, even here in a gambling discussion forum. But I can ignore them.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 09:44 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:37 AM 2020Here's the deal. I did all this for me. I went through discovering why I was losing at the casinos when I would go on expensive junkets.  I was trying all this with too small a bankroll.  I would bring about 10 units for the bankroll.  Even though I would use virtual bets I was still losing too many sessions. Those numbers for 3/7 and 4.66 won sessions for each lost session are real. I would just get taken out by the low bankroll and be forced to quit.

This lockdown stuff gave me time to try out the 3000 "Rated" games. I had a huge bankroll to work with. I discovered that I could use 100 & 200 as the unit value and have plenty of room to maneuver. It looks like I could go on forever winning just 300 points per session using my ( 2, 1, ) or ( 1, 2, )  style of moving through good and better sequences of each session. This method is what works best for me.

I hate getting bored. In fact I just about self destruct a lot because of it. I just pick a bet and let it ride until it bottoms out. That's what happened. I can't stop myself from just giving up the fight.  I never lose when I'm willing to fight for each win.

It's all meaningless. If I go on a  huge win streak for several months it will all go as meaning nothing. It will not prove a thing. But I got something important out of all this. I know I must bring 4 session bankrolls of 7 units each to the casino. I need that much maneuvering room. I must also quit every session that I break my rules and become complacent in, right as I don't care about winning.  I got that from RS. Gambling has been a quest to actually attempt to make a living from it for me.

The critics and the skeptics don't matter. What they believe is irrelevant. They have never showed me how to win consistently.

I don't have to overcome my weakness to get lazy. But I might try something new here. I'm thinking of quitting each time I get tired or bored, no matter where in the session I am at the time.  It will be my way of experiencing discipline and practicing that.

You can't do anything about the mathZombies and their cancel culture, even here in a gambling discussion forum. But I can ignore them.
Anyone can win with a large enough bankroll and enough time to wait for winning opportunities. I am trying to play with less risk.

The good thing about roulette is it is filled with so many losers that it is easy to blend in with the crowd.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 09:47 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:37 AM 2020I hate getting bored. In fact I just about self destruct a lot because of it. I just pick a bet and let it ride until it bottoms out. That's what happened. I can't stop myself from just giving up the fight.  I never lose when I'm willing to fight for each win
You're completely contradicting yourself. Professionals can't stand gambling. They only jump in to situations where they have a positive ev.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 09:51 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:37 AM 2020I'm thinking of quitting each time I get tired or bored,
Please do that. I can't believe u didn't know that already. I still play when tired or bored, but I can easily put those feelings behind me and continue to wait for my opportunistic opportunity.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:37 AM 2020It will be my way of experiencing discipline and practicing that.
Being 100% disciplined is the only way to win.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:59 AM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 09:30 AM 2020Gizmotron, please help. I've read all your pages on gamblingforums, but cannot figure it out. Sometimes I can win with singles on the weak side and doubles on the strong side, but it isn't always working.
You can never expect a pattern to continue. It will never work for you if you need wishful thinking to come true. So don't make desperate bets. All the mathZombies here are right that trends do not work and that they don't predict the future.

The trick to all this is admitting that the trend or pattern on its own can't predict the future. I've tried to explain that it doesn't have to. The way to beat the casino is to bet bigger when you are in a win streak. If it's just a single small isolated win streak amongst a bunch of failed trends then don't bet on it. But if you wait for it you will see a bunch of small trends or patterns signal a swarm of mini win streaks. This is a definite change. You must become skilled at looking for these changes and these conditions.   None of this is about prediction. It's all about coincidence.  You can see swarms of similar sized formations in your charting. They don't even have to be the same trends or patterns. You are looking for a coincidence in the lengths of sequences.

Once you go looking for similarities in the lengths of trends or patterns as your primary observation then everything will change for you. These formations are rhythmic like music. Randomness just produces them out of common coincidence. You can see when they are not there and you can see when they are there.  I'm always looking for a coincidence in the length of several trends or patterns in search of a bigger pictured coincidence.  The bigger picture tells you what the smaller coincidences might keep doing. But you can watch for that to change also. The casino can't protect themselves from a player looking for these coincidences. You have all the control.  I play Roulette because I'm looking across the entire chart of 6 groups all at once in search of these lengths of sequences information. They are like gold mines waiting to get raided.  Baccarat & Craps are very slow and require much less opportunities to detect lengths of trends or patterns because you are stuck with just one grouping.

It's funny to me to watch the mathZombies ignore these secrets because they are stuck on needing a prediction instead of a coincidence. So they flip out and trash discussion.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 10:00 AM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 09:47 AM 2020You're completely contradicting yourself. Professionals can't stand gambling. They only jump in to situations where they have a positive ev.
See what I just shared about the lengths of trends and patterns.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 10:03 AM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 09:47 AM 2020
You're completely contradicting yourself. Professionals can't stand gambling. They only jump in to situations where they have a positive ev.

He has contradicted himself more times than one can count. Not to mention the amount of lies, the biggest one him turning many students of his into winning players.

Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 09:47 AM 2020
They only jump in to situations where they have a positive ev.

If you will read through the threads, you can easily see that his bets are -EV. He himself stated that he can't win by flat betting, and that he needs to use progression to win. Any professional or competent Roulette player knows that if the system/method can't win with flat bet, it means that it's a -EV win and eventually it will lose - as you have seen countless of times on RS.

Also, If his bets were +EV, he wouldn't have a trouble with getting killed in casinos due to bankroll.

His method, along with countless of other losing methods have one thing in common - they do not increase the accuracy of predictions (bet selections). And that is the only way to have +EV bets.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 10:16 AM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 09:51 AM 2020Please do that. I can't believe u didn't know that already. I still play when tired or bored, but I can easily put those feelings behind me and continue to wait for my opportunistic opportunity.


You might not know where I'm coming from over the years. It's only been 3 years since I changed everything. I use to play to get the giant win streak. I would allow myself to descend deep into my bankroll before hitting that huge win streak. That was my normal style. I would attack the coincidence and murder the casino for a while. It always happened like that. I could count on one huge win streak in every ten hour session.

That was not working for me. I was only playing the double dozens and mainly looking for the super sleeping dozen or the streak of singles. I became use to losing a session for a very long time before winning it in the end.  That is why I have a weakness for letting myself lose while still expecting to win.  I don't mind sharing this. Before I was a great skier I sucked. Before I was a daring mountain climber I was a chicken. All these things you must start at the bottom and become aware of every pitfall as you learn from it.  Gambling is no different for me. All I have to do to go pro is to beat this laziness thing. Heck, when I was doing my research with my practice software I had endless bankroll. I could just start another practice session. But at RS with the 3,000 points. for me, that was an endless bankroll too.  I don't care if I contradict myself. I'm not trying to prove to anyone that this works. I'm just figuring out how to make it work for me. That must include overcoming my weakness to allow myself to descend deep into the bankroll.

I'll answer questions but I'm done trying to explain this. That work is pretty much done. But RS is in fact a great practice tool. I don't mind embarrassing myself in public. I once cartwheeled out of control on a 45 degree face at Squaw Valley back in the early 70's in front of a thousand spectators. I could hear them yelling their oohs & ahhs as I tumbled endlessly down 500 ft to the top of a 150 ft drop off. ... where I stopped, and lived to fight another day.  This gambling stuff is just a bunch of skills to master.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 10:18 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 10:03 AM 2020He has contradicted himself more times than one can count. Not to mention the amount of lies, the biggest one him turning many students of his into winning players.
You don't count. Your opinion is nonproductive and leads to a hole in the ground full of crap.

I'm going to master this skill and leave you in the dust.  You are going to be captain of the jerks. Go away. you are like a fly. You eat shit and you bother people.

I'm just going to try my new idea over at RS. No point in descending deep any more. I'll just let myself out of losing sessions without trying to win every one.

You can have winforus to teach you if you want. He's one of the best losers there is.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 10:34 AM 2020
Gizmo, if you are still learning, and testing, how could you have taught this to people, charged them money for it, and turned them all into winners, if you can't win yourself? 

I am not making it up, here are your direct quotes:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 18, 09:41 AM 2019
That's fair. It's one man, not they. I was given $5,000 by a person that was interested in what I was doing with the understanding that I would fly to Macau and be given $50,000 to do some high roller gambling. The person giving the money and I both had self control issues that we were both interested in solving. It took years too solve it too. I did solve it and then posted Reading Randomness in the wide open for free. My name is Mark and it has been well known across many gambling forums as gizmotron and Mark. I charged under $1000 for all the students in the first school. In that first school was my first software charting system. I use to go after the huge win streaks and was prone to digging deep holes waiting for it back then.

I ran a second school for $800 as a private accessed forum. That is where I developed my AI software for double dozens. That software is now free as well. But I found the self control I needed in stop points and minimum win goals after that school was done. I developed new training and practice software to teach it with. That software and training is now free also. So I managed to find a way to get paid a small amount for my computer programming time. Last year I took on one student at $1,000 and spent 120 hours, one on one, training him with the new software. He was the proof to me that I could teach people to break all known knowledge of mathematical house advantage beliefs. I've discovered something earth shattering regarding gambling and I shared it with the world for free. If all that makes me a conman then I'm a conman. The man that was trashing my reputation is in fact a mean and dangerous person that likes to get personal information on others and "DOX" them in public. Last night he was discovered by another at the other website where we found out that this man has 16 convictions for crimes. We have his real name now. We have his picture now. We have his relatives, his bankruptcies, his divorces. We have his failed businesses and we have 33 liens against him. We have the power to DOX him. He was told to take down all the accusations or he would get published in the wide open. That threat worked because of a few hours ago all the stuff against me is gone from his website.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 23, 10:37 AM 2020
That's not true at all. I personally trained the first student one on one and he proved that it could be taught. The RR teaching thread is a simplified version of that original training. Everyone there has succeeded except you. You showed your telemetry of your progress. I watched you break the basic strategy. I wanted you to feel free to work it out or not on your own. I stayed silent when you gave up. I have my own opinion on how you failed. But I'm not going there. You came to it with your precognition interests more concerning to you. You went back to your primary interests. Your progress is there to see. You can't take it down.

If I get validated then they will be able to see if they can tell why you failed at something that works.  Nobody else there has failed. All their work on it confirms that it works. I did the arithmetic. Almost all of them reached 4.66 won sessions at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. That equates to a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. Go back and do the math on all your own examples. You quit while you were above 1 to 1 win to loss ratio. You also admitted that you tried to apply precognition to it. I'm happy with all the results, even yours. I want to thank you again for trying it in the public view.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 10:57 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 10:34 AM 2020
Gizmo, if you are still learning, and testing, how could you have taught this to people, charged them money for it, and turned them all into winners, if you can't win yourself? 

I am not making it up, here are your direct quotes:

You just don't get it. I'm not trying to hide anything. People have demonstrated 4.66 win to loss rate. You don't like that? Take it up with them. I don't mind working out all this in front of people. It's free. You would say it's worthless anyway.  Why don't you get a life. I'm tired of carrying you.

I have no idea what anyone has done with Reading Randomness in real casinos. You don't either. Only a few are talking and one of them failed. Does that mean that you are the Grand Inquisitor? This is funny. You are like the self proclaimed savior of the gambling forum. It must be a terrible responsibility. Glad that you have risen to such a higher stature.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 11:09 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 10:57 AM 2020
You just don't get it. I'm not trying to hide anything. People have demonstrated 4.66 win to loss rate. You don't like that? Take it up with them. I don't mind working out all this in front of people. It's free. You would say it's worthless anyway.  Why don't you get a life. I'm tired of carrying you.

I have no idea what anyone has done with Reading Randomness in real casinos. You don't either. Only a few are talking and one of them failed. Does that mean that you are the Grand Inquisitor? This is funny. You are like the self proclaimed savior of the gambling forum. It must be a terrible responsibility. Glad that you have risen to such a higher stature.

So what you are saying, is that people paid you money, to teach them how to win with play money?

How does " 4.66 win to loss rate" prove that RR is a winning method, if people can't win in casino with it?

The problem is that you positioned yourself as a Guru, advocating for a method that has 0 proof of being a winning one. It's a losing method, for which you charged people money and now using as a way to get validation/attention.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 11:30 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:59 AM 2020The trick to all this is admitting that the trend or pattern on its own can't predict the future. I've tried to explain that it doesn't have to. The way to beat the casino is to bet bigger when you are in a win streak. If it's just a single small isolated win streak amongst a bunch of failed trends then don't bet on it. But if you wait for it you will see a bunch of small trends or patterns signal a swarm of mini win streaks. This is a definite change. You must become skilled at looking for these changes and these conditions.   None of this is about prediction. It's all about coincidence.
Sound advice. Thanks Gizmo
I go to the casino like a soldier going into battle. I look for opportunities that no one else sees. By the time anyone notices a “trend” I have already made my money and left. When there is nothing there, I just place no bets and leave.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 09:59 AM 2020Randomness just produces them out of common coincidence
It definitely does.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 11:35 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 10:03 AM 2020they do not increase the accuracy of predictions (bet selections).
With all due respect, I know where you are coming from. I have studied randomness for several years and am doing a similar thing to Gizmo. I cannot make any predictions, but I am able to win more than I lose. I just adjust to whatever randomness is throwing at me.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 11:41 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 10:16 AM 2020All I have to do to go pro is to beat this laziness thing
I totally agree.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 10:16 AM 2020I don't mind embarrassing myself in public. I once cartwheeled out of control on a 45 degree face at Squaw Valley back in the early 70's in front of a thousand spectators. I could hear them yelling their oohs & ahhs as I tumbled endlessly down 500 ft to the top of a 150 ft drop off
It is true strength to allow yourself to be embarrassed by others. I have done such things deliberately just to test myself and to prove to myself that I don't care what others think... Being able to humble yourself is a great quality. Everyone else just want to look and feel cool.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 11:54 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 11:09 AM 2020How does " 4.66 win to loss rate" prove that RR is a winning method, if people can't win in casino with it?

You don't know that and I have never claimed that. I created a self teaching thread and answered a few questions. People on their own demonstrated at least that much. You don't like it? Too bad. That's your problem.

QuoteThe problem is that you positioned yourself as a Guru, advocating for a method that has 0 proof of being a winning one. It's a losing method, for which you charged people money and now using as a way to get validation/attention.

What a joke you are as a human being. First I taught the characteristics of randomness. That alone was an original idea in the gambling world. Sure people have been using trends for centuries. But where are all the characteristics that I brought up? They are for the most part just light suggestions and without specifics in all the best gambling books. Nobody made a science out of it. Does that alone make me a guru. No. You are projecting ego tripping. I hope you never figure that out.

As far as proof goes you can do that yourself. But you are afraid it might actually work, making you a bozo act if you can do it.  I put this out there for free and provided the practice software and all the information to begin getting better at it. It's a skill. It's not another endless hints here and there festival. It takes you through it step by step starting with the importance of visual dexterity in reading a live play session chart. it then goes on to pattern and trend recognition in these playing charts. It then supports the importance of reading the current state of effectiveness of these observed trend characteristics. It then goes into using three net wins as a stop win and 7 net losses and a stop point.

It then asks a simply trained with the basics person to practice with the software a couple hours per day for a full month before making up your mind.

From that you want me to be a liar and some kind of a scam artist that needs attention.  Try looking in the mirror. You will probably find better answers there.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 12:02 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 11:54 AM 2020First I taught the characteristics of randomness
There is only one characteristic. It's unpredictable.👍
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 12:09 PM 2020
Gizmotron, you are attacking the messenger, instead of the message, because you know what I said is true.

If you want, I can dig up past posts of people claiming that you are a conman, who charged them money for a losing method.

I know that RR is a losing method, because it is based on fallacy. You have demonstrated it on RS very well.

Like I said, if you can't win by flat betting (which you said yourself that you can't), and need to rely on progression to win, then it's a losing method. Clear and simple.

If you don't understand why it's true, you should stop spreading ignorance, and go back to learning the basics of the Roulette.

For anyone that falls for this crap and ends up losing - then you deserve it, that's all I have to say.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 12:11 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 11:54 AM 2020
You don't know that and I have never claimed that. I created a self teaching thread and answered a few questions. People on their own demonstrated at least that much. You don't like it? Too bad. That's your problem.

There are people who claimed that RR has not worked for them. There are people claiming that you conned them into paying money for this crap. These people are even on this forum.

Where are the people that have demonstrated the win to loss ratio that you are talking about? Why is there not a single person found?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:12 PM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 11:41 AM 2020Everyone else just want to look and feel cool.
Well at least a lot of people are afraid of not looking cool.  OMG, they won't like me if I don't buy this car that will impress them. I think it's so funny how much is spent on trying to impress people that you don't even know. People enslave themselves with endless attempts to achieve happiness. It's everywhere, and in just about everything. Suckers. I climbed Tioga Pass at the Eastern boundary of Yosemite one winter after a monster sized avalanche tore  down into Lee Vining Canyon. It left behind a natural accruing Half-Pipe that was carved out of a 45 degree face. It had ten foot high walls and was about 30 ft wide. I was all alone. My friends were down below climbing the ice walls. That was one of the greatest rewarding experiences I ever had. This was 1983-1984 and only one ski resort allowed snowboarding at the time. It was Donner Ski Ranch.  The idea of a half pipe was just getting started and nobody ever thought a skier would try it. 45 degrees, ten foot tall side walls, and 1000 vertical feet to get down. It was epic.

I lived for moments like that. That is what is called getting a life. You are a far cry from ever living large. You won't get it from riding me.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:15 PM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 12:02 PM 2020There is only one characteristic. It's unpredictable.
Try this:
singles on the weak side.
"Chop" which is a stretch of singles.
sleeping dozens
absence of singles
absence of anything larger than triples
perfect occurring patterns ( B, B, r, B, B, r, B, B, r, etc...)

None of these characteristics predict anything.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:18 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 12:09 PM 2020Gizmotron, you are attacking the messenger, instead of the message,
I'm not attacking anyone, martyr.  I'm just pointing out that you are not right in your facts.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:20 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 12:11 PM 2020Where are the people that have demonstrated the win to loss ratio that you are talking about? Why is there not a single person found?
They are documented at the instruction thread.

Don't worry dickhead. I'm going back to what works the best. I'm ignoring you and going back to silence.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 12:24 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:18 PM 2020
I'm not attacking anyone, martyr.  I'm just pointing out that you are not right in your facts.

Here is a fact:

You said that you can't win by flat betting and that you need to use progression to win. This mean that it's a losing method (-EV). If you do not accept this fact, it means that you still don't understand the basics, as majority of losing roulette players.

This is the reason why you get killed in casinos and why you got killed on Roulette Simulator + MPR.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 12:29 PM 2020
Gizmotron, Steve explained it many times over and over again on his site and videos:

link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-betting-progression-systems/

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=vbbKbf-HUxA

Until you understand this fact, you will continue to waste your time on RR and in turn, spreading the ignorance to others.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 01:13 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:12 PM 2020People enslave themselves
Yes. It's everywhere. Every weakling is their own worst enemy.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:12 PM 2020I climbed Tioga Pass at the Eastern boundary of Yosemite one winter after a monster sized avalanche tore  down into Lee Vining Canyon. It left behind a natural accruing Half-Pipe that was carved out of a 45 degree face. It had ten foot high walls and was about 30 ft wide. I was all alone. My friends were down below climbing the ice walls. That was one of the greatest rewarding experiences I ever had. This was 1983-1984 and only one ski resort allowed snowboarding at the time. It was Donner Ski Ranch.  The idea of a half pipe was just getting started and nobody ever thought a skier would try it. 45 degrees, ten foot tall side walls, and 1000 vertical feet to get down. It was epic.
👍
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:12 PM 2020You are a far cry from ever living large.
Not really. Not that I care if I ever don't live large. I'm perfectly content with my life.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:12 PM 2020You won't get it from riding me
Obviously
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 01:17 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 12:15 PM 2020singles on the weak side.
"Chop" which is a stretch of singles.
sleeping dozens
absence of singles
absence of anything larger than triples
perfect occurring patterns ( B, B, r, B, B, r, B, B, r, etc...)
You can pick out and label patterns all day; they will never teach one how to win.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 01:19 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 12:24 PM 2020You said that you can't win by flat betting and that you need to use progression to win.
Progression is a great way to hide a winning method.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 02:48 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 12:24 PM 2020Here is a fact:

You said that you can't win by flat betting and that you need to use progression to win. This mean that it's a losing method (-EV). If you do not accept this fact, it means that you still don't understand the basics, as majority of losing roulette players.

This is the reason why you get killed in casinos and why you got killed on Roulette Simulator + MPR.
I don't know why you waste so much time on this. I think Giz is making all of this up to be honest.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 02:51 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 21, 12:24 PM 2020You said that you can't win by flat betting and that you need to use progression to win.
Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

I said I use 2 units and 1 unit interchangeably depending on the quality of the trends and if I'm recovering during a good patch.  If that is a progression to you then you are a horse's ass. Stop trolling chump. or not....
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 02:52 PM 2020
back to nothing......
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 02:58 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 02:51 PM 2020I said I use 2 units and 1 unit interchangeably depending on the quality of the trends and if I'm recovering during a good patch.  If that is a progression to you then you are a horse's ass. Stop trolling chump. or not....
You used progression on rs. You said you never lost more than 3 sessions in a row and used progression.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 03:07 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 02:51 PM 2020
Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

I said I use 2 units and 1 unit interchangeably depending on the quality of the trends and if I'm recovering during a good patch.  If that is a progression to you then you are a horse's ass. Stop trolling chump. or not....

You are clearly using progression on RS. If you don't want to call it "progression" that is fine, but here is the definition for you, taken from roulettephysics.com:

"Roulette betting progression is when you vary the bet size after either win or loss. "

And here is your direct quote, where you claim that you failed at flat bet:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 24, 10:45 AM 2020
I have failed at flat bet. I tried to explain what I do now after you left. I use a fragmented part of John Patrick's up & pull. I start with 2 times my base big bet value and if I win I use half that on the next try. If that wins I'm done with my three net wins and out.

If I lose that bet at 2 times the base value then I stay at 2 times until I recover around half way. I then go between 1 time and 2 times the value. This is why I do that. It is stupid to not press when you are in a win streak, specially a good win streak. I tried to flat bet only at RS and got killed because I was  trying to recover a slow grind downward with single valued flat bets. It's stupid to play for six or seven wins from a win streak to try and get ahead. I play micro streaks and only take one net win off of them at a time. There are more first try net wins than there are two in a row wins. I'm sorry you tried this with just flat betting.  I can't do it either. But I killed it at RS with all of those tests of 50 sessions using (2, 1) or (1, 2, 2, 2, 2,)  John Patrick Up & Pull. I really expected to get trashed for appearing to double my bets on that. But nobody wanted any explanation of the Up & Pull and attacking strong win streaks.

In fact the word "attacking" is a trigger word for Spandex boys.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 03:20 PM 2020
Progression is the fallacy of increasing your bet size in attempts of recovering losses. Since Giz can't win flat bet, he also can't win with progression.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 03:20 PM 2020
Then why is Giz even allowed to post here?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 21, 03:23 PM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 02:48 PM 2020
I don't know why you waste so much time on this. I think Giz is making all of this up to be honest.

You may be right, although he has been peddling this shit for over 10 years.I personally think that he is very deluded, and suffers from NPD. His behavior, grandiose stories, lies, arrogance, thirst for validation are pretty good indicators of that. Unfortunately a lot of people who don't have experience with roulette fall for this crap and in the past people even paid him money - who later had some very bad things to say.

Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 03:20 PM 2020
Then why is Giz even allowed to post here?

Because he is not selling anything directly or charging people money for it anymore. Steve is very lenient and even allows people to sell their systems in the systems section.

Also, I don't think he has bad intentions of hurting anyone - I think he genuinely believes in his method of "reading randomness" and also cares very much about his self image, thus he makes up a lot of lies, stories etc, to try to keep up the story. Just very deluded and suffers from NPD.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Ross on Oct 21, 04:45 PM 2020
Why is anyone wasting time posting in this thread ???
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 05:00 PM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Oct 21, 04:45 PM 2020Why is anyone wasting time posting in this thread
Because giz claims to be able to predict numbers better than random. When you prove him wrong, he just plays with words and ideas to escape and counter our valid arguments.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: mma on Oct 21, 05:01 PM 2020
He'll say something like he doesn't "predict" numbers but wins by coincidentally having his bets where the ball lands. Stupid stuff like this that makes no sense and is contradictory.

Always changing his story. This is what liars do when they're busted. Have you ever watched "Cops"?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Oct 21, 09:32 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 21, 11:54 AM 2020
You don't know that and I have never claimed that. I created a self teaching thread and answered a few questions. People on their own demonstrated at least that much. You don't like it? Too bad. That's your problem.

What a joke you are as a human being. First I taught the characteristics of randomness. That alone was an original idea in the gambling world. Sure people have been using trends for centuries. But where are all the characteristics that I brought up? They are for the most part just light suggestions and without specifics in all the best gambling books. Nobody made a science out of it. Does that alone make me a guru. No. You are projecting ego tripping. I hope you never figure that out.

As far as proof goes you can do that yourself. But you are afraid it might actually work, making you a bozo act if you can do it.  I put this out there for free and provided the practice software and all the information to begin getting better at it. It's a skill. It's not another endless hints here and there festival. It takes you through it step by step starting with the importance of visual dexterity in reading a live play session chart. it then goes on to pattern and trend recognition in these playing charts. It then supports the importance of reading the current state of effectiveness of these observed trend characteristics. It then goes into using three net wins as a stop win and 7 net losses and a stop point.

It then asks a simply trained with the basics person to practice with the software a couple hours per day for a full month before making up your mind.

From that you want me to be a liar and some kind of a scam artist that needs attention.  Try looking in the mirror. You will probably find better answers there.

The hubris.   Er...  I mean humility.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 21, 10:44 PM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Oct 21, 04:45 PM 2020
Why is anyone wasting time posting in this thread ???
Winforus goes around systems thread to troll.

Steve, this guy is spoiling your forum with his trolling on systems thread.

He has gone beyond stating the math.
He deliberately provoke system betting members.

This type of behaviour can't be acceptable.

Pls put his post on moderation.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Ross on Oct 22, 05:10 AM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 05:00 PM 2020Because giz claims to be able to predict numbers better than random. When you prove him wrong, he just plays with words and ideas to escape and counter our valid arguments.

But Gizmo has been making the same claims for at least ten years.
Do you think anything your say will make any difference?
Hence a waste of time.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 08:27 AM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Oct 22, 05:10 AM 2020But Gizmo has been making the same claims for at least ten years.
Do you think anything your say will make any difference?
Hence a waste of time.
Get your facts straight. I admit that you can see all this as the same thing for the past ten years. Make that 15 years and the global effect and the elegant pattern are still exactly what they have always been. If you don't know what these things are or if you are sure that they don't exist then it is not my fault for trying to explain them. All I can say is that one day you will see these things and find out I was right all along.  That does not make me stupid or a lying story teller.

As far as 10 or 15 years going back goes, I showed everyone that three years ago, somebody showed a video on trading stocks like a casino by Adam Khoo. I decided to go back to EC betting after watching that. That was a change from the same old thing. Are these words too difficult for you to understand? Something changed and I clearly gave Adam Khoo the credit for making that radical adjustment.

Because of that video and the concept of trading stocks on the support and resistance factors found with "moving averages"  I decided to use the same kind of stop sell and start buy rules in my Reading Randomness strategy. Are you capable of comprehending the difference between that and my old style of hunting & waiting for the super win streaks? I hope you can see that this is different too.

Some things are the same and some things for the past year since July are different. Now you have been schooled on how your understanding is errant. I don't like having to do it. But your reality is not really the reality that everyone else sees.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 08:42 AM 2020
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 05:01 PM 2020He'll say something like he doesn't "predict" numbers but wins by coincidentally having his bets where the ball lands. Stupid stuff like this that makes no sense and is contradictory.

Always changing his story. This is what liars do when they're busted. Have you ever watched "Cops"?
I'm sure that you are congratulating yourself on how smart you look right now.

Only problem is that I figured out what math applies to the Reading Randomness strategy. It's variable change. If you are going to argue for being so bright why don't you take on that. Let's see you debunk sitting out 50% of the losing streaks and what that does to the odds?  You claim that I'm saying that I know when "wins by coincidentally having his bets where the ball lands."  I'm sure you would rather have that discussion as you use a "straw man" argument to make yourself look better. You don't.

You can't prove that I don't have the skill to see win streaks and losing streaks just by claiming that nobody can see these conditions.  So I will ask you skilled idiots one more time. Why do the pit bosses see win streaks? How can they do that?

Arguing with you is like first having to bottle feed you and change your diapers full of crap each time.  You make up stuff you think is true and then act like you discovered the truth.  This is lame. It reveals a total lack of self respect for what you want from life. The best part is that you will get nothing from Reading Randomness. That was predicted by a well known gambler on another forum too. People could be told a working system and it would go right over their heads. He even predicted that people would attack it. You are just fodder in my over all plan. Now flip out on that why don't you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: pepper on Oct 22, 09:42 AM 2020
Einstein is famously quoted as saying: “The only way to beat roulette is to steal money when the croupier isn't looking.”

Btw, I'm mma. I admit I fibbed a bit about the winning bet. It wound up losing. At least I can man up to my mistakes.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 22, 04:47 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 08:42 AM 2020
Why do the pit bosses see win streaks? How can they do that?

A pattern or streak can be seen only after it already happened. That is that.
If you disagree then I have a question for you: why do pit bosses still stay on that job for a salary if they developed a skill that could bring them limitless wealth?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 04:49 PM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 22, 04:47 PM 2020A pattern or streak can be seen only after it already happened. That is that.
Brilliant. If you see the same dozen sleeping for 10 spins in a row and it is part of 30 spins in a row of the same dozen sleeping then you are just seeing things.

Don't bother. This is way too complicated for you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 22, 04:53 PM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 22, 04:47 PM 2020
Why do pit bosses still stay on that job for a salary if they developed a skill that could bring them limitless wealth?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 22, 04:55 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 04:49 PM 2020
Brilliant. If you see the same dozen sleeping for 10 spins in a row and it is part of 30 spins in a row of the same dozen sleeping then you are just seeing things.

Don't bother. This is way too complicated for you.

You don't know it was sleeping for x times untill it did, where is the edge?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 22, 05:09 PM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 22, 04:55 PM 2020You don't know it was sleeping for x times untill it did, where is the edge?
I don't care what you don't learn. This is not for you. You go to where I shared it. You learn what I show you. You practice to see if you have the skills. Then you will know. That is the only proof that matters.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 06:29 PM 2020
OK, I should have done this from the start. I'm playing strict 3 net win or one 7 net loss at around 360 to 400 per bet that allows for 7 net losses in a rated game with a 3000 unit starting point. This is pure Reading Randomness. I'm not trying to win every session or 50 wins in a row. I will lose a few times. I'm just trying to prove that I can average 4.66 net wins at 3 & out to each seven net lost session of around 2600 to 2800 units.

I'm now at 6 wins to 1 loss.  So this is just getting started. It's very close to flat betting. I take long shot bets when I see an occasional combo bet. There are no progressions. You can see every bet. Some times I bet on 24 numbers so the risk is higher but hitting has better odds. It all balances out. It just takes two wins to equal one lost bet.

This should work out as the proof that some people want to see. I'm using 20 unit chips on the straight up numbers. 18 of those comes to 360. So that is where I'm trying to stick all the bets.

We'll have to wait to see if I flip out and go lazy, as usual. But this is a good start.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 07:33 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 06:29 PM 2020
OK, I should have done this from the start. I'm playing strict 3 net win or one 7 net loss at around 360 to 400 per bet that allows for 7 net losses in a rated game with a 3000 unit starting point. This is pure Reading Randomness. I'm not trying to win every session or 50 wins in a row. I will lose a few times. I'm just trying to prove that I can average 4.66 net wins at 3 & out to each seven net lost session of around 2600 to 2800 units.

I'm now at 6 wins to 1 loss.  So this is just getting started. It's very close to flat betting. I take long shot bets when I see an occasional combo bet. There are no progressions. You can see every bet. Some times I bet on 24 numbers so the risk is higher but hitting has better odds. It all balances out. It just takes two wins to equal one lost bet.

This should work out as the proof that some people want to see. I'm using 20 unit chips on the straight up numbers. 18 of those comes to 360. So that is where I'm trying to stick all the bets.

We'll have to wait to see if I flip out and go lazy, as usual. But this is a good start.

When you lose you always seem to blame something. First excuse was you were bored, next excuse was you were trying to hide your method, then it was you were lazy.

If you so convinced that reading randomness works and that the only time you fail is when you fail on purpose, then how is anyone supposed to judge if it works or not?

It is a complete contradiction.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 07:41 PM 2020
Gizmo I have a challenge for you. This will prove if reading randomness has a genuine edge.

Get to 1st position on the rankings and don't make excuses if you lose.

The same challenge also goes out to a certain Mr Clown who is obsessed with repeaters and horses, who has a million accounts RSim.

It is that simple.

Instead of bitching and crying about my results on Rsim, prove you can do better.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:41 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 07:41 PM 2020Get to 1st position on the rankings and don't make excuses if you lose.
The same goes for you too. I'm using only rated games with 3,000 units at the start of each session. So let's see if you can get to first place using rated games only. I'm making around 1000 per game. I will win at a rate of around 2 to 1, hopefully a little better. That means for every 1,000 lost I will make 2,000. It works out at 14 bets won for every 7 bets lost. This is nearly all flat betting when bets are placed. There are no progressions. It's just guessing.

It would take around 1400 sessions to reach 1,000,000 units won. At 3 sessions per day that would be 4 years.  You do that in a day some times.  I don't think you can do it in one year with just rated games that start at 3,000.

So I challenge you to start from 0 and try with rated games only and we will see how good you think you are too.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 08:56 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:41 PM 2020
The same goes for you too. I'm using only rated games with 3,000 units at the start of each session. So let's see if you can get to first place using rated games only. I'm making around 1000 per game. I will win at a rate of around 2 to 1, hopefully a little better. That means for every 1,000 lost I will make 2,000. It works out at 14 bets won for every 7 bets lost. This is nearly all flat betting when bets are placed. There are no progressions. It's just guessing.

It would take around 1400 sessions to reach 1,000,000 units won. At 3 sessions per day that would be 4 years.  You do that in a day some times.  I don't think you can do it in one year with just rated games that start at 3,000.

So I challenge you to start from 0 and try with rated games only and we will see how good you think you are too.

I am already in 1st position. Use progression if you think it helps. We are waiting.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 07:33 PM 2020When you lose you always seem to blame something. First excuse was you were bored, next excuse was you were trying to hide your method, then it was you were lazy.

If you so convinced that reading randomness works and that the only time you fail is when you fail on purpose, then how is anyone supposed to judge if it works or not?

It is a complete contradiction.
I get to treat people any way that I want to. Why would I ever give skeptics and mathZombies proof? The funny part is I have a nice group of people that don't think that it works. I did this while explaining how it works.  All I'm doing now is proving 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1 in long run testing.  Your concerns are nothing to me. And I could care less who you convince that you are right. If I can prove 4.66 wins at 3 net wins to one loss at 7 net losses then I will have only proved that I can do it.  You will have some wonderful excuse for not liking it then, that's for sure.

This time I'm allowing myself to end a session at 7 net losses as a loss. I never did that at RS before. This is a test of the 3 / 7 technique.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:59 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 08:56 PM 2020I am already in 1st position. Use progression if you think it helps. We are waiting.
Are you daffy? You are not using Rated games. You are not anything unless you prove that you can do it all with 3,000 sessions.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 25, 09:00 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:41 PM 2020I will win at a rate of around 2 to 1,
No, you won't.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:41 PM 2020It's just guessing.
You can't win by "guessing."
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 25, 09:05 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2020I get to treat people any way that I want to.
Let's treat you for what you are: a loser.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2020Why would I ever give skeptics and mathZombies proof?
You are literally unable to do that.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2020All I'm doing now is proving 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1 in long run testing.
Another lie
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2020If I can prove 4.66 wins at 3 net wins to one loss at 7 net losses then I will have only proved that I can do it. 
IF. And IF I can prove that I can jump to the moon, then I will have proof I can do it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:06 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2020
I get to treat people any way that I want to. Why would I ever give skeptics and mathZombies proof? The funny part is I have a nice group of people that don't think that it works. I did this while explaining how it works.  All I'm doing now is proving 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1 in long run testing.  Your concerns are nothing to me. And I could care less who you convince that you are right. If I can prove 4.66 wins at 3 net wins to one loss at 7 net losses then I will have only proved that I can do it.  You will have some wonderful excuse for not liking it then, that's for sure.

This time I'm allowing myself to end a session at 7 net losses as a loss. I never did that at RS before. This is a test of the 3 / 7 technique.

Ok, You basically want to prove it to yourself because you are unsure it works. I understand. You may continue.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:08 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 08:59 PM 2020
Are you daffy? You are not using Rated games. You are not anything unless you prove that you can do it all with 3,000 sessions.

It is ok if you refuse to take the challenge  because you are not sure reading randomness works.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 25, 09:10 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:08 PM 2020It is ok if you refuse to take the challenge  because you are not sure reading randomness works.
RR is proven to not work. There are no magical patterns that the roulette wheel produces for anyone to take advantage. Giz knows this. He is a liar.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:13 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:08 PM 2020It is ok if you refuse to take the challenge  because you are not sure reading randomness works.

This is pointless. You are not really a challenger.

This is you a week ago. You would get killed on Rated games.



Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:15 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 25, 09:10 PM 2020RR is proven to not work. There are no magical patterns that the roulette wheel produces for anyone to take advantage. Giz knows this. He is a liar.
Get prepared to change your mind. You will. Perhaps you will need a safe place for snowflakes?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:18 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:13 PM 2020
This is pointless. You are not really a challenger.

This is you a week ago. You would get killed on Rated games.

You are desperate. You are so uncertain that reading randomness works that you want to prove it to yourself. 15 years of failed attempts, no wonder you are so unsure about it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:20 PM 2020
Gizmo just give up. You failed the challenge and reading randomness has a track record of failed attempts both on MPR and roulette simulator.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:32 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:20 PM 2020Gizmo just give up. You failed the challenge and reading randomness has a track record of failed attempts both on MPR and roulette simulator.
If I was destined to take advice from you I would give up. Just exactly what is your job here? You make as much sense as a pretend super hero.

All I have to do is demonstrate 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1 in long run flat betting. That's bets from 360 to 420 depending on how many numbers I cover at a time.  That picture of you descending into the Mariana's Trench was exciting.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:36 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:18 PM 2020You are desperate. You are so uncertain that reading randomness works that you want to prove it to yourself. 15 years of failed attempts, no wonder you are so unsure about it.
Just keep telling yourself that. You are a pretend person depending on putting me down. I give you meaning. You are a sucker because you think what you see is clear and that you are important. It's all a joke.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:39 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:32 PM 2020
If I was destined to take advice from you I would give up. Just exactly what is your job here? You make as much sense as a pretend super hero.

All I have to do is demonstrate 4.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1 in long run flat betting. That's bets from 360 to 420 depending on how many numbers I cover at a time.  That picture of you descending into the Mariana's Trench was exciting.

I am 1st place on Roulette simulator. That means I am better than you. I win and you lose.

Don't cry like a baby when you lose on Roulette simulator again. Be a man and come back here to admit reading randomness does not work.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:48 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:36 PM 2020
Just keep telling yourself that. You are a pretend person depending on putting me down. I give you meaning. You are a sucker because you think what you see is clear and that you are important. It's all a joke.


Putting you down? Pot calling kettle black?

You were the one talking shit about me on another forum and now want to cry about my response. Both you and Mr Clown have wasted years on repeaters and reading randomness. Losers.

End of discussion. Now go losr on Roulette simulator. Again.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 25, 10:08 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:15 PM 2020You will.
I have open ears if you want to actually say something useful. Singles on the weak side is an example of something no one can take advantage of. If you could, you would be a billionaire by now.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 25, 09:32 PM 20204.66 to 1 that equates to 2 to 1 in long run flat betting
How did you come up with this 4.66 figure? Are you implying that you make more with progression? Did you have a lucky streak that gave you a 4.66 to 1 ratio?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:07 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 25, 10:08 PM 2020How did you come up with this 4.66 figure? Are you implying that you make more with progression? Did you have a lucky streak that gave you a 4.66 to 1 ratio?
This just confirms that you didn't bother to read the thread.  I guess you are just imbued with sparkle and elegance. Just wait a few months as I impugn your best effort at sophistry. Don't forget to watch what is right in front of your face. It will explain itself.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:14 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:48 PM 2020You were the one talking shit about me on another forum and now want to cry about my response. Both you and Mr Clown have wasted years on repeaters and reading randomness. Losers.
It was Turbo talking shit about you. I just agreed with his conclusions. Certainly you saw all this coming in the entrails of an owl.

You have been challenged. How about a real test of your ESP skills with "Rated" games only. It's the same requirement suggested that I try to do long ago by others. OH, make sure it's flat betting. It won't count unless it is something close to the same amount, their rules.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:17 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:39 PM 2020I am 1st place on Roulette simulator. That means I am better than you. I win and you lose.
HAHAHA! Boy are you hooked. So the general consensus here is that you are without question the future of gambling. All you have to do is get a magic wand and a gazillion dollar bankroll. LOL
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:28 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 25, 09:18 PM 2020You are desperate. You are so uncertain that reading randomness works that you want to prove it to yourself. 15 years of failed attempts, no wonder you are so unsure about it.
No. Some other asshole here wanted proof that 4.66 to 1 on sessions run with 3 / 7 exists.  RS is best for that purpose. Even you consider RS as proof. It's just my opinion though that "Rated" games are part of that proof. So what are you afraid of? You don't want to be shown that you are wrong do you?  "Just wait" for me to blow up or millions of spins bet to prove it won't be good enough anyway.

So wait then.  Do you really need to ride me to get your thrills in life? Getting to 1st place with 30,000 bets and wild losses proves what? My bets are from 360 to 450 depending on how many numbers I select and they all start at 3,000 bankroll in order to determine the outcome. If you are number 1 it is only because you are all over the place with your session's bankrolls. It's the same as a progression, just like Turbo says.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 26, 06:19 AM 2020
I will remind everyone that Gizmotron already tried to get 1st place on RS, which he failed at miserably. He now has 13 resets on RS.

Take a look at those graphs and excuses that he had at the time:

Quote from: winforus on Jun 23, 04:58 PM 2020
To add, here are the graphs:

link:s://prnt.sc/t58nqu - current graph
link:s://prnt.sc/t58t46 - 100k losing session

You lost your 100k in 162 spins, not in 1 or 10 spins. Yet you claim it was due to "boredom and laziness". If you lost it in 10 spins, then your claim would be far more credible. You realized that it wasn't credible, so then you changed to saying that you lost on purpose.

link:s://prnt.sc/t58ubv

After your initial 100k loss, you were still up 1.6k. Yet you went from being up 1.6k to being down -14k. These remaining losses came in ~700 spins. What excuse would you have for those losses after the 100k? More boredom or that you have so much time on your hands, to play for 700 spins and lose on purpose?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 26, 06:36 AM 2020
Precogmiles has 1st place on RS and MPR. Gizmo has a losing record on both, and a history of making excuses for losing.

Gizmo can talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

Thanks to this thread, Reading Randomness was proven to be a losing method. At this point, Gizmo is trying his best not to let the ship totally sink, as he has invested a lot into this nonsense for the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:36 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:07 AM 2020Just wait a few months as I impugn your best effort at sophistry.
You've been saying this for 10 years.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:07 AM 2020Don't forget to watch what is right in front of your face. It will explain itself
Oh Brother
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:38 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:14 AM 2020How about a real test of your ESP skills with "Rated" games only.
What's your excuse for losing every challenge?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 05:14 AM 2020OH, make sure it's flat betting.
So he has to flat bet, but you can use stupid progressions.
Math Zombie!🤣
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 06:19 AM 2020I will remind everyone that Gizmotron already tried to get 1st place on RS, which he failed at miserably.
I'm not trying to get first place. I'm just validating 4.66 to 1 which will equate to 2 to 1 win to loss ratio in a game that can't be beaten or even tied at 1 to 1.

Complain all you want.  I told everyone that I don't let failure stop me. I just wonder what the excuses for dismissing this will be. After say two months and three sessions per day go by I will have a consistent track record, That will be the equivalence of the first student that proved it to me before I ever shared RR.  So what will it take to validate that at least I did it? I'm flat betting at 350 to 450 depending on the number of bet locations I try with an average of 20 units per number selected. 18 numbers = 360. I often cover the zero for 10 units and add an extra 10 units on any outside bets if they apply.  This is almost dead on flat betting.  I'm not supposed to be able to do that, right? Like nobody is. 

Just think. You know for sure that I'm going to fail. You can't wait. But you sure want to make sure what you think will happen is documented. So it is.

So how long will it take to change your minds if I go ahead and do it.  I call 4.66 wins to 1 loss at 4.66 times 3 and 1 times 7 net losses a full cycle. This represents my long term average. How many cycles would it take to impress you math wizards with this flat betting method? Don't give me that millions of spins crap either. I should not be able to have a lucky streak of 100 cycles flat betting. Or should I ?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:41 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 06:36 AM 2020as he has invested a lot into this nonsense for the last 10 years.
He hasn't invested anything, just empty promises and lies.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:42 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 06:36 AM 2020Precogmiles has 1st place on RS and MPR
Is this good? I am unconvinced he has an edge.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:43 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 26, 06:38 AM 2020So he has to flat bet, but you can use stupid progressions.
Math Zombie!
I'm not using a progression. Get the wax out of your ears.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:43 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020I'm not trying to get first place.
Liar. I've read your post saying you were aiming for 1st on RS when you were winning and do good.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:44 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:43 AM 2020I'm not using a progression. Get the wax out of your ears.
Grow up and get a life. Get a real job. Loser
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:45 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 26, 06:44 AM 2020Grow up and get a life. Get a real job. Loser
Shit sandwich. Your going to love it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:45 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 06:36 AM 2020Gizmo is trying his best not to let the ship totally sink
The ship has sunk long ago for anyone with half a brain that goes through his posts. I don't know why he is even allowed to pull this BS
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:45 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:45 AM 2020Shit sandwich
Makes more $ than RR, a way to flush your money down the toilet
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:47 AM 2020
Gizmotron aka math zombie aka spandex boy doesn't even know how to beat roulette after wasting a lifetime on it. Good job "spandex boy". You have made my day.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:48 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 26, 06:45 AM 2020The ship has sunk long ago for anyone with half a brain that goes through his posts. I don't know why he is even allowed to pull this BS
Because your BS is so much better. It's too funny.  You are afraid I might just validate this at a place where every bet can be seen. You can't possibly be trying to save the world.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:49 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 26, 06:47 AM 2020Gizmotron aka math zombie aka spandex boy doesn't even know how to beat roulette after wasting lifetime on it. Good job "spandex boy". You have made my day.
Pathetic. You lose this one troll freak.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:50 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020After say two months and three sessions per day go by I will have a consistent track record,
Another fucking lie.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020That will be the equivalence of the first student that proved it to me before I ever shared RR.  So what will it take to validate that at least I did it? I'm flat betting at 350 to 450 depending on the number of bet locations I try with an average of 20 units per number selected. 18 numbers = 360. I often cover the zero for 10 units and add an extra 10 units on any outside bets if they apply.  This is almost dead on flat betting.  I'm not supposed to be able to do that, right? Like nobody is. 

Just think. You know for sure that I'm going to fail. You can't wait. But you sure want to make sure what you think will happen is documented. So it is.

So how long will it take to change your minds if I go ahead and do it.  I call 4.66 wins to 1 loss at 4.66 times 3 and 1 times 7 net losses a full cycle. This represents my long term average. How many cycles would it take to impress you math wizards with this flat betting method? Don't give me that millions of spins crap either. I should not be able to have a lucky streak of 100 cycles flat betting. Or should I ?
Do you get off on posting bullshit?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 26, 06:51 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
I'm not trying to get first place. I'm just validating 4.66 to 1 which will equate to 2 to 1 win to loss ratio in a game that can't be beaten or even tied at 1 to 1.

That's another lie. You tried to get 1st place and you failed. Here is your direct quote before you ended up losing:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 07:54 AM 2020
I've already planned to take it to number 1. I'll be at 50,000 soon enough. That means that I can double my bets and still stay inside my comfort zone and bankroll.  I'm still trying to figure that out. I like to double up on bet attacking. I also like to have 20 bets in reserve in order to descend in a session. So it looks like it's around 600 for bets and 1200 for attacking bets that are doubled up for 25,000 in bankroll. When I get to 50,000 I can double those amounts and still remain viable. Just trying to figure out the right bankroll to bet ratio. I don't stop at 7 net losses. I stop at 21 net losses. I have never lost three 7 net loss sessions in a row. That is where I get my 21.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:51 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:48 AM 2020Because your BS is so much better. It's too funny.
You're right
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:48 AM 2020You are afraid I might just validate this at a place where every bet can be seen
Your only hope is by getting extremely lucky. You don't have a positive expected value.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:52 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:48 AM 2020You can't possibly be trying to save the world.
The world would be better off if you get off gambling forums and do something productive for society. Cheers!
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 06:56 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:49 AM 2020troll freak
You're just talking about yourself. You're the troll that constantly posts bullshit about roulette on the regular.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 26, 07:00 AM 2020
Gizmotron, you are not flat betting and have been using progression. Why do you continue to lie? You can't say that you don't know what "progression" and "flat bet" means, because this has been explained to you many times.

Not long ago I showed screenshots of your sessions from RS, where we can see that you are using a progression:

Quote from: winforus on Sep 24, 08:53 AM 2020

2)You claimed that you were flat betting, and that turned out to be a lie. You were using progression and recovery to win in short term.

Here are the screenshots from your last session on RS:
link:s://prnt.sc/umeq0x
link:s://prnt.sc/uml3nf

As you can see, you have been doubling your bets upon losses.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:06 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 07:00 AM 2020As you can see, you have been doubling your bets upon losses.

How clever of you. That was two months ago.  Your problem is now.  You will never see proof even if it demonstrated for you.  That is exactly my plan too. Thanks for playing butt boy in the student show. You are perfect.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:11 AM 2020
Just getting started. I just thought I would let you weasel farts have a go at me from the beginning. It's so fun to watch you all flip out and save the world of probability.  Like it needs saving, really?

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 26, 07:11 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
I'm not trying to get first place. I'm just validating 4.66 to 1 which will equate to 2 to 1 win to loss ratio in a game that can't be beaten or even tied at 1 to 1.

You have already tried to get 1st place and failed miserably. It is documented in this thread, where I have already posted the graphs.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
I just wonder what the excuses for dismissing this will be.

What will the excuses for failure be this time? That you were bored? That you lost on purpose? That you were too lazy? You have a history of always creating excuses for losing.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
After say two months and three sessions per day go by I will have a consistent track record

You have been talking a lot of BS, with a lot of empty promises. All talk, and no action.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
That will be the equivalence of the first student that proved it to me before I ever shared RR.

There is not a single documentation of any people that you taught, that turned out to be winning players. There is also not a single student of yours that came in to vouch for you in this thread.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
So what will it take to validate that at least I did it? I'm flat betting at 350 to 450 depending on the number of bet locations I try with an average of 20 units per number selected. 18 numbers = 360. I often cover the zero for 10 units and add an extra 10 units on any outside bets if they apply.  This is almost dead on flat betting.  I'm not supposed to be able to do that, right? Like nobody is. 

You would need to keep the same unit bet size for inside bets, and the same for outside bets. If you will change them, that means you are using progression (even if only for a few spins).

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
Just think. You know for sure that I'm going to fail. You can't wait. But you sure want to make sure what you think will happen is documented. So it is.
You have reset your RS account 13 times, it is well documented and losing graphs can be found throughout this thread.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:13 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 07:11 AM 2020You have already tried to get 1st place and failed miserably. It is documented in this thread, where I have already posted the graphs.
I moved on because you made me see the light. You are so effective.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:16 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 07:11 AM 2020What will the excuses for failure be this time?
Eat the shit sandwich. I won't fail. You had better be right or you are going to look real stupid. Imagine you being outfoxed by me.

So how many cycles will it take to validate 4.66 to 1, or a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:18 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:11 AM 2020There is not a single documentation of any people that you taught,
I have all the emails and all the session results. Just because I did not publish them does not mean that they are not in existence. I'm not dumb enough to drop off my laptop and forget where I dropped it off. Vote for the Biden Crime Family if you really want to be fucked.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 26, 07:22 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:16 AM 2020
Eat the shit sandwich. I won't fail. You had better be right or you are going to look real stupid. Imagine you being outfoxed by me.

So how many cycles will it take to validate 4.66 to 1, or a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio?

You have 13 resets on your RS account. So you will need to show a LOT more evidence for winning than usual, given your 13 resets and history of losing.

Nobody is asking you to validate "2 to 1 win to loss ratio". People want to see you win by only flat betting.

When you lose though, don't create another excuse.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:25 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:11 AM 2020You would need to keep the same unit bet size for inside bets, and the same for outside bets. If you will change them, that means you are using progression (even if only for a few spins).
I am. It's not a perfect range. Some of my sets have 19 numbers instead of 18, (outside bets). Sometimes I also cover the single zero. Some times, very few I target the sleeping dozen of the swarm of singles in double dozens. But each chip value is 20 unless I'm also backing a bet with a few at 10 as insurance bets.

Your only hope is to convince everyone that this is not flat betting. But you wont see 700 to 900 used. That would be doubling the base rate between 350 and 450. I'm not doubling down. I'm not self destructing.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:27 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 07:22 AM 2020Nobody is asking you to validate "2 to 1 win to loss ratio". People want to see you win by only flat betting.
Yes, somebody did. They insisted that nobody ever reached 4.66 to 1 in session stop win /stop losses points. You would not believe it if it was not done at RS. So I'm doing it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:28 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 26, 07:22 AM 2020When you lose though, don't create another excuse.
When I succeed you do the same.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:50 AM 2020
Gizmotron, enough it enough. Stop deluding people with the same old typical gambler's fallacies. You can't beat roulette with math.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:50 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:11 AM 2020Like it needs saving, really?
You need saving, you old fart
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:51 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:13 AM 2020I moved on because you made me see the light.
I moved on because you get brewing darkness. You should do the same.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:52 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:16 AM 2020You had better be right or you are going to look real stupid.
Gizmotron, stop trying to win the lottery to look good for one day on a stupid gambling forum nobody even cares about.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:53 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:18 AM 2020I have all the emails and all the session results.
Stop making things up; it doesn't make you look smart.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:53 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:18 AM 2020Vote for the Biden Crime Family if you really want to be fucked.
So says the master scammer
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:54 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:25 AM 2020I am. It's not a perfect range. Some of my sets have 19 numbers instead of 18, (outside bets). Sometimes I also cover the single zero. Some times, very few I target the sleeping dozen of the swarm of singles in double dozens. But each chip value is 20 unless I'm also backing a bet with a few at 10 as insurance bets.

Your only hope is to convince everyone that this is not flat betting. But you wont see 700 to 900 used. That would be doubling the base rate between 350 and 450. I'm not doubling down. I'm not self destructing.
More gibberish to cover up his previous gibberish.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 08:55 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:28 AM 2020When I succeed you do the same.
You wouldn't be able to be successful if it (success) came crashing through your window and sat on your lap.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 09:40 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 26, 08:55 AM 2020You wouldn't be able to be successful if it (success) came crashing through your window and sat on your lap.
troll
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 02:23 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 09:40 AM 2020troll
The weakling Gizmotron calls me a troll. I am so .......... This is boring; come up with some more roulette nonsense.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 26, 02:24 PM 2020
 :lol:
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 27, 06:11 AM 2020
I think I get it. Gizmo just gets bored and gets off by acting like he has something special. He is as special as a bag of rocks. I would rather be a math person and grounded in truth than a deluded idiot.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Richard Meisel on Oct 29, 04:58 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 07:16 AM 2020
You had better be right or you are going to look real stupid. Imagine you being outfoxed by me.

So how many cycles will it take to validate 4.66 to 1, or a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio?
Hey Giz, I know you're having fun with all these dissenters. I forgive them for they know not what they're doing. It took a long, long, time for me to be a nice guy. I win around a little under 80% with your Reading Randomness method. I don't have to prove it. I just tell others to please try it before downgrading it. Try the system, then if you lose, tell all the roulette gamblers how you lost using this method. Try it before you criticize.    About your 4.66 (x3) to 1 (x7) =  (14 to 7) method of betting, I do like my method of 4.66 (x2) to 1 (x5) = (9.3 to 5) better, because after 2 wins sometimes there's a grind getting that 3rd win. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 05:42 PM 2020
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 29, 04:58 PM 2020I forgive them for they know not what they're doing.
We don't need forgiveness from people who are deluded.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 29, 04:58 PM 2020I win around a little under 80% with your Reading Randomness method.
This doesn't mean anything. You lose more in the long run from progression.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 29, 04:58 PM 2020I don't have to prove it.
I can fly to the moon by flapping my arms, but I don't have to prove it.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 29, 04:58 PM 2020I just tell others to please try it before downgrading it
I tried it. It's a bunch of vague nonsense of typical stuff that doesn't work.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 29, 04:58 PM 2020tell all the roulette gamblers how you lost using this method.
I lost, because it's as good as guessing.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 29, 04:58 PM 2020because after 2 wins sometimes there's a grind getting that 3rd win.
With that kind of logic, there's also a grind getting your 2nd win after your 1st and from going from zero units to one unit, etc.

Have fun at the casinos; they love you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020
MEAN is irrelevant attempting to obtain relevance.

I just completed 50 games at R-Sim. I did it flat betting at the 2 level of ( 1, 2 ) or ( 2, 1, ) of my own style of John Patrick's published method of "Up & Pull." Those bet location amounts are at from 350 to 450 for each bet placed. I cover the zero when I think it might be active. My "1" level bets will be around 170 to 210.

I had explained that I can't win flat betting in the long run with Reading Randomness. This 50 games pretty much confirms that. I will leave those first 50 up and go back to what works for me. From the beginning, going back decades, I attack the best opportunities. Some people here need to see that as using a mindless progression.  I have been attacking the super win streaks for more than 25 years. Reading Randomness is really about that. It's not a mindless, rule based, progression. You don't just bet bigger after a loss for no reason. You only bet bigger when you can see a strong likelihood that a win streak is in phase.  If you don't know what that means then you are in no position to criticize what you clearly don't understand. What you mathZombies understand is something that you are convinced is the only possibility that can exist. So you act out as if it is gospel.

But go ahead trolls. You need what you need.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 09:14 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020MEAN is irrelevant attempting to obtain relevance.
Randomness is chaos; you attempt to find order.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020I had explained that I can't win flat betting in the long run with Reading Randomness.
Classic misdirection move from Gizmotron, i.e., changing his story
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020I attack the best opportunities
There are no opportunities; you said so yourself.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020I have been attacking the super win streaks for more than 25 years. Reading Randomness is really about that.
Another contradiction. You just recently said you don't attack "super win streaks" because they only come infrequently.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020You only bet bigger when you can see a strong likelihood that a win streak is in phase.
Congratulations. You are the only person in the universe that has ever been able to predict a win streak. Now, go make your trillions.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020If you don't know what that means then you are in no position to criticize what you clearly don't understand.
You, a confirmed liar, are in no position to place rules on other people.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020What you mathZombies understand is something that you are convinced is the only possibility that can exist.
This makes no sense. Please rephrase.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020So you act out as if it is gospel.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that each spin is independent, and each bet has the same probability of winning/losing each spin.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020But go ahead trolls
Who are you?

Well that was lame. Anyone up for some poker?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:26 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 29, 09:14 PM 2020Classic misdirection move from Gizmotron, i.e., changing his story
Look it up. I know it's talked about somewhere. It's one of the things used to dismiss RR. It's called telling the truth. The fact that you see it as misdirection makes you some kind of user of a hysterical red herring or a new smarmy form of erecting a strawman argument. You are one of those guys that needs to win a "fake" argument. When will the parade come down the street with you as the queen of the float arrive?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:30 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 29, 09:14 PM 2020You are the only person in the universe that has ever been able to predict a win streak.
I don't need to predict what will happen in order to see what is currently happening. That's the crap between your ears helping you to be the very best that you can be. Join the Army. You are clearly no good at this.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:34 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 29, 09:14 PM 2020You, a confirmed liar, are in no position to place rules on other people.
I actually I am in a position to place rules on people that I want to make an impression on. I doubt that you are in a position to make anyone even remotely happy other than your grandmother when she wants her oatmeal and applesauce. Such is life in the basement when you reach 40.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:37 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 29, 09:14 PM 2020Well that was lame. Anyone up for some poker?
Anyone up for stepping on the dickheads face?

Good, now the thread is trolled again.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 09:38 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:26 PM 2020It's one of the things used to dismiss RR. It's called telling the truth.
You actually told the truth for once. I agree, telling the truth does dismiss "reading randomness" fallacies.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:26 PM 2020You are one of those guys that needs to win a "fake" argument.
This argument is real. You keep make up lies about being able to predict random outcomes better than random.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:26 PM 2020When will the parade come down the street with you as the queen of the float arrive?
You suffer from grandiosity. No one cares about this stuff, because everyone already knows the truth, i.e., that you cannot predict future roulette spins.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:30 PM 2020I don't need to predict what will happen in order to see what is currently happening.
You cannot make money on things that are currently happening when it comes to roulette. It's unpredictable. Trends, patterns, streaks, etc. are just things your brain creates out of randomness.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:30 PM 2020Join the Army
I have it much better than a soldier.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:30 PM 2020You are clearly no good at this
No one on the face of our planet is good at doing things that are impossible.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 09:40 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:34 PM 2020I actually I am in a position to place rules on people that I want to make an impression on
Bullshit.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:34 PM 2020I doubt that you are in a position to make anyone even remotely happy other than your grandmother when she wants her oatmeal and applesauce.
And who do you make happy? Losers and deluded people?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:34 PM 2020Such is life in the basement when you reach 40.
U probably live in the basement. I have more money, power, and success than you'll ever have.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:37 PM 2020Anyone up for stepping on the dickheads face?
Try it. I have a nice little surprise waiting for you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 09:41 PM 2020
Btw, one can actually achieve a positive expected value with poker. I wouldn't expect some "reading randomness" idiot to understand that though.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:46 PM 2020
bah blah blah... didn't even read it meaningless troll
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 09:48 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:26 PM 2020Look it up. I know it's talked about somewhere
Maybe Winforus will look it up if he feels like it, but it's pointless. You'll just make a lame excuse and move on to the next lie and/or diversion.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 09:48 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:46 PM 2020bah blah blah... didn't even read it meaningless troll
How old are you?
God forbid you read anything from one with some commonsense. Right?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 29, 09:49 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:46 PM 2020bah blah blah...
This is all you've been saying for your past 1,006 posts on here. What a great recap/highlights.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 09:56 PM 2020
Don't feed the troll.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 30, 12:22 AM 2020
Im a new member but I have been reading this forum for a few months and one thing is clear for me, everytime someone states that they can beat the game but don't need to prove anything to anyone:
a. you can check their history and see that they tried to sell silly gimmicks
b. they are selling in private
c. sooner or later they will try to sell something

25 years of reading randomness succesfully yet spending so much time in here instaed of raking bags of cash, smh
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 01:33 AM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 30, 12:22 AM 2020
Im a new member but I have been reading this forum for a few months and one thing is clear for me, everytime someone states that they can beat the game but don't need to prove anything to anyone:
a. you can check their history and see that they tried to sell silly gimmicks
b. they are selling in private
c. sooner or later they will try to sell something

25 years of reading randomness succesfully yet spending so much time in here instaed of raking bags of cash, smh
Not everytime. Most (99%) of the time.

This is the problem with forums.

ALL forums have come to a state where systems bettors are not allowed to claim they can beat this game.

Strictly not allowed.
If any system bettor makes this claim he is 100% a scammer or liar or he made a mistake somewhere or attention seeker.
It must be the case.

Not wrong given that the math of random roulette spins are independent and unbiased. No prediction is possible.

System bettors claims contradict the math. Fact.

Where do we go from here as a forum where system betting is a large part of forums ?

This stand taken by forums has effectively silenced the system bettors.
Discussion of system betting has gone underground outside of forums in private groups.

Does this benefit gambling forums as oppose to preventing scammers, liars, attention whores from misguiding forums ?
In this noble name of saving the stupid, uneducated, desperate and naive from con.
What balance does forums want ?
Up to forum owners how they decide their path forward.

As things stand now gambling forums will die a natural death.
We see that happening now.

I predict current forums will disappear, new gambling forums will take their place where this noble crusade will not be a priority.
It's gambling forums we are talking about.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 01:55 AM 2020
I am 100% certain about one thing.

Steve, this forum owner doesn't give a damn about some stupid got scammed.
So long as the noose is not on his neck.

Naysayers give a fark about other people losing their money to some scammer.

Nobody give a fark.

Lets get down to the truth.

Tell us why the fark you keep on this crusade posting shit at system bettors ?

What's your beef ?

Ofc you didn't fool us either.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 30, 03:29 AM 2020
What a rant. Honestly I don't have time to check you right now if you sold/are selling systems.
Why? Because you are looking for something that is not there. If we were talking 200 years ago okay maybe most of us would be clueless and and try to find the HG but today, with all the tools available, you can test as many spins as your heart desires if you ignore the fundamental principles of the game and you will arrive at the same conclusion.
I tried to fool you? How so? I will provide proof for all my claims. I will upload my progress every 10k 20k spins. I have nothing to sell cause it is not something that could be sold.
Reading randomness, say it aloud for a few times and realize how dumb it sounds. These kind of things can make someone ignore the reality and chase the tail for a long time, 25 years even.
If it works, okay, prove it! That is all we ask Proof. Then you come and say you don't need to prove anything to internet strangers, why tf gather them and put yourself on a pedestal claiming you have a winner? Funny question eh?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 03:59 AM 2020
No rant.

Specific about this matter call PROOF.

I guarantee 100% no system bettor will post proof on forums. None, zero, nada.

No proof does not mean scammer, liar, mistake or attention whore.

If you have brains between your ears you will not ask for proof on Internet environment. You are stupid like shit to ask for proof. Your stupidity shows big time.

Answer my simple question to convince the reading public,

What's your(naysayers) beef against system bettors?

Reveal your true motive what's biting your arse?

Quoting math is a lame excuse that fooled nobody.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 04:01 AM 2020
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 01:55 AM 2020Tell us why the fark you keep on this crusade posting shit at system bettors ?
Why do you keep posting this meaningless nonsense?
I agree that systems cannot beat roulette, but even a monkey should know that.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 04:04 AM 2020
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 03:59 AM 2020You are stupid like shit to ask for proof. Your stupidity shows big time.
Not at all. If they can talk the talk, then they should be expected to walk the walk. Proof is expected of everything in our world: would you swallow some random pills that purportedly cure you of illness? No, you would want proof.
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 03:59 AM 2020What's your(naysayers) beef against system bettors?
I have no beef. They can go to the casinos themselves and lose. The beef comes when they spread their false information, delusions, lies, etc. to others.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 04:06 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 30, 04:01 AM 2020
Why do you keep posting this meaningless nonsense?
I agree that systems cannot beat roulette, but even a monkey should know that.
Everybody knows the math.

Why do you(naysayers) continue your crusade against systems bettors?

Stop avoiding my question.

Give a direct answer to my question..

System bettors question your(naysayers) real motive behind your forum activity.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 04:08 AM 2020
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:06 AM 2020Stop avoiding my question.
Stop asking dumb questions and acting like you have some authority. It "proves" your ignorance, grandiosity, and schizophrenic type behavior.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 04:11 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 30, 04:04 AM 2020They can go to the casinos themselves and lose. The beef comes when they spread their false information, delusions, lies, etc. to others.
It means nothing to none of us.

It means everything to you(naysayers), your continuous vigilant naysaying forum activity can't fool us.

Stop lying, answer my simple question,

what's your beef?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 04:17 AM 2020
Steve, members of this forum, reader public

Don't be fooled by this naysaying activity who claim a noble crusade of math against system bettors.

We all know what the math says.

Excessive naysaying activity under the cover of fraudulent noble crusade has a sinister motive behind it. Don't be fooled.

â€"-----------end of discussion--------------
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 04:28 AM 2020
For the record I respect Joe's posts.

He is not a naysayer.

His math posts are educational in nature. Include Bayes, Firefox, and Jerome in this group.

The rest posters who claim math are bullshit posters who know nothing about math. Bullshit
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 04:45 AM 2020
Looks like CHT is spamming once again. His attention dose is running low, the craving has kicked in and he is looking to get some attention.

He is the guy who claimed to have HG and that he will leave this forum not so long ago - should say everything that you need to know about him.

Another big mouth who claims to have positive edge, but is not making any money, nor has shown any proof.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 04:46 AM 2020
I will report excessive naysaying post to Steve.

If Steve doesn't take action the same way with excessive claims, I'm done with this forum.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 04:47 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 04:45 AM 2020
Looks like CHT is spamming once again. His attention dose is running low, the craving has kicked in and he is looking to get some attention.

He is the guy who claimed to have HG and that he will leave this forum not so long ago - should say everything that you need to know about him.

Another big mouth who claims to have positive edge, but is not making any money, nor has shown any proof.
I reported your post.

Excessive naysaying...... Confrontational that has nothing to do with roulette.

Let's see if Steve will take action.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 04:53 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 26, 06:40 AM 2020
I'm not trying to get first place. I'm just validating 4.66 to 1 which will equate to 2 to 1 win to loss ratio in a game that can't be beaten or even tied at 1 to 1.

So what will it take to validate that at least I did it? I'm flat betting at 350 to 450 depending on the number of bet locations I try with an average of 20 units per number selected. 18 numbers = 360. I often cover the zero for 10 units and add an extra 10 units on any outside bets if they apply.  This is almost dead on flat betting.  I'm not supposed to be able to do that, right? Like nobody is. 

Just think. You know for sure that I'm going to fail. You can't wait. But you sure want to make sure what you think will happen is documented. So it is.

So how long will it take to change your minds if I go ahead and do it.  I call 4.66 wins to 1 loss at 4.66 times 3 and 1 times 7 net losses a full cycle. This represents my long term average. How many cycles would it take to impress you math wizards with this flat betting method? Don't give me that millions of spins crap either. I should not be able to have a lucky streak of 100 cycles flat betting. Or should I ?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 29, 08:41 PM 2020
MEAN is irrelevant attempting to obtain relevance.

I just completed 50 games at R-Sim. I did it flat betting at the 2 level of ( 1, 2 ) or ( 2, 1, ) of my own style of John Patrick's published method of "Up & Pull." Those bet location amounts are at from 350 to 450 for each bet placed. I cover the zero when I think it might be active. My "1" level bets will be around 170 to 210.

I had explained that I can't win flat betting in the long run with Reading Randomness. This 50 games pretty much confirms that. I will leave those first 50 up and go back to what works for me. From the beginning, going back decades, I attack the best opportunities. Some people here need to see that as using a mindless progression.  I have been attacking the super win streaks for more than 25 years. Reading Randomness is really about that. It's not a mindless, rule based, progression. You don't just bet bigger after a loss for no reason. You only bet bigger when you can see a strong likelihood that a win streak is in phase.  If you don't know what that means then you are in no position to criticize what you clearly don't understand. What you mathZombies understand is something that you are convinced is the only possibility that can exist. So you act out as if it is gospel.

But go ahead trolls. You need what you need.

Gizmotron, my point stands. Reading Randomness is unable to win by flat betting. If you can't win by flat betting, this means that it's a losing system. Why is this? Because the bet selections that you are making have the accuracy of no better than random.

Reading Randomness would work, only if you were able to predict the winning steaks which you are targeting. If you are unable to know when high/low/red/even comes, then you are making random -EV bets. Progression will only mask it, until you lose.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 05:04 AM 2020
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:47 AM 2020
I reported your post.

Excessive naysaying...... Confrontational that has nothing to do with roulette.

Let's see if Steve will take action.

I reported your posts as well, for excessive spamming.  Your game plan: spam the shit out of the forum, and when a person who can see through your bullshit calls you out, you run to the admin.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 05:25 AM 2020
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:11 AM 2020what's your beef?
What are they putting in your food?
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:17 AM 2020Excessive naysaying activity under the cover of fraudulent noble crusade has a sinister motive behind it. Don't be fooled.
Oh god, they caught me. Now what am I going to do?
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:28 AM 2020who know nothing about math. Bullshit
You don't need to know a lot about math to know 1+1=2. It's not rocket science. I could waste time and get into the math, like Joe if I wanted to.
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:46 AM 2020I'm done with this forum.
Good. Leave. Bye. Have a great life.
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:47 AM 2020Confrontational that has nothing to do with roulette.
Kind of like all your posts.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 30, 06:12 AM 2020
Cht you need professional help.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 06:36 AM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 30, 06:12 AM 2020Cht you need professional help.
Perhaps he can ask for money from Gizmotron, who must be a trillionaire by now, to seek help.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 06:37 AM 2020
@Gizmotron
What's your excuse for not being a trillionaire? Do you feel too much empathy for the casinos?  :xd:
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:17 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 04:47 AM 2020Gizmotron, my point stands. Reading Randomness is unable to win by flat betting.
But does your stand on this actually consider that winning is more important than making restrictive qualifications? I'm glad that you are consistent on this, not in any mean way. You think it must be by a conditional rule in order to ever be valid. But what if it wins by targeting opportunities with an increased sized bet and mitigates losses by a lower priced bet? This would be multi level type flat betting. You can't allow that to exist? OK, I get that. So if I just go ahead and put up better numbers now what will be your conclusion? I did the first 50 games flat just for you. I did it flat because people like to call me a liar. What I just did is proof enough. I'm sure I'll have to do thousands of games in order to show the difference with multi level flat betting.  You know I'm going to show improvement. But it looks like it will still go as nothing impressive. That's just the nature of people and their beliefs.

It looks like people will just have to make up their own minds despite all this cheerleading.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:22 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 04:53 AM 2020Why is this? Because the bet selections that you are making have the accuracy of no better than random.

I guess you have never seen me say that you will lose the correct number of bets that math says you should lose. So we are in full agreement on these numbers.  I'm clearly saying that you can make unfunded bet selections that lose at the mathematical rate. I'm saying that this is a form of math known as "variable change."  In other words I have math on my side.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:29 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 04:53 AM 2020Reading Randomness would work, only if you were able to predict the winning steaks which you are targeting.
So instead of arguing with you regarding prediction, which would be some kind of magic that does not exist, other than some claim for ESP, I will agree with you.  You say I must have the power to predict. I say that I must have a simple skill to observe conditions that already exist. So I will clarify this in that you can't really predict when a losing streak will start but you can see one already occurring. You can only get out of the damage of a losing streak then if one is already occurring.

I can't make this clearer than that. There are no magical powers. So I use what is already there.  I fund the winning streaks and I defund the losing streaks. I play off of micro streaks with John Patrick's "Up & Pull" techniques.  I'm not attempting to predict anything. Nobody can do that. Well, except those gifted ESP types that is. The jury is still out on that.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:37 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 04:53 AM 2020Progression will only mask it, until you lose.
So let's discuss this out. Is ( 2, 1, ) and  ( 1, 2, ) combined with the defunded virtual bet a progression or a modified form of flat betting?

We can just leave out if it works for me or not, having already demonstrated three times that I deliberately set about to win 50 games in a row using it. When I self destructed I used the marti or the exact same bet that would eventually hit its inevitable sequence of death. I know how to lose on purpose. I can't think of a better way to fuck with the trolls heads. Just give them the ammo that they expect and watch them jump through hoops like circus dogs. It's fun. You should try feeding the trick dogs. It's better than rehashing some strawman argument about prediction for the past 25 years.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 10:03 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:17 AM 2020
But does your stand on this actually consider that winning is more important than making restrictive qualifications?

There is two types of winning. One is due to variance/luck, and the other type of winning - is when you have an actual edge. Meaning, you increase the odds of winning in your favor. When you have an edge, you will win in the long run, weather it's 10k spins or 1 million. When you win due to luck, you will due so in short term, until the luck evens out and you will lose.

I am interested in verifying that your system gives you an edge. And in order for you to have an edge - you will need to increase the accuracy of your bet selections.

And how do you see the accuracy of your bet selections? By making flat bets and winning over a decent sample size.

So far, you have not played that many spins, and your results are slightly better than break even. Here is how your graph looks like: link:s://prnt.sc/va50fc Given your bet sizes, you won around 10 units or less.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:17 AM 2020

But what if it wins by targeting opportunities with an increased sized bet and mitigates losses by a lower priced bet?  So if I just go ahead and put up better numbers now what will be your conclusion?

if you are targeting opportunities is accurate and it gives you an edge - there is no need to make lowered priced bets at all. You could stick to the same unit size (flat bet), and skip the lowered price bets all together. Do you see what I mean?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:17 AM 2020

I did the first 50 games flat just for you. I did it flat because people like to call me a liar.

Yes I appreciate the fact that you did flat betting this time - hopefully it will make you understand more, what I've been trying to say.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 10:12 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:22 AM 2020
I guess you have never seen me say that you will lose the correct number of bets that math says you should lose. So we are in full agreement on these numbers.  I'm clearly saying that you can make unfunded bet selections that lose at the mathematical rate. I'm saying that this is a form of math known as "variable change."  In other words I have math on my side.

I don't think you are understanding what I mean. Let me give you an example:

You have 10 red balls in the bag and 10 black balls in the bag. The bag is closed, and the balls are not visible. The dealer every round picks out a ball at random, and if you get the color right, you get paid $0.90. If you get the color wrong, you lose $1. Afterwards, the ball goes back in the bag.

Would you take the bet?  A professional player wouldn't - because in this case, the casino has the edge.

Now, if a player had a way to predict, even with slight accuracy, which ball would be picked next - then he would take the bet. Because then he would have the edge.

Now, what if the ball doesn't go back in the bag? Then that would be a variable change, and weather you take the bet, will depend.

Did you understand my example?

With the way that you are doing RR, you are taking the bet when the casino has the edge, as in the first example. There actually is no variable change - you have confused the math concept imo. And you have no way to predict in anyway, what color or number is likely to come out.

This is what I been trying to tell you all along.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 10:17 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:29 AM 2020
I say that I must have a simple skill to observe conditions that already exist. So I will clarify this in that you can't really predict when a losing streak will start but you can see one already occurring. You can only get out of the damage of a losing streak then if one is already occurring.

I can't make this clearer than that. There are no magical powers. So I use what is already there.  I fund the winning streaks and I defund the losing streaks.

You are observing the patterns (such as red,red,red,black,black,black,high,high,high) and you think that they have a correlation, and to you it is "variable change", while in fact they are independent of each other and that is not a variable change.

Again, if that was the case - then you would be able to win by flat betting (not betting at all on the bets you think will lose).
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 10:27 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:03 AM 2020if you are targeting opportunities is accurate and it gives you an edge - there is no need to make lowered priced bets at all. You could stick to the same unit size (flat bet), and skip the lowered price bets all together. Do you see what I mean?

I will explain the unfunded bets and the lower priced bets then. First off the unfunded bets, if accurately placed, actually change the odds according to the logic behind "variable change." So that alone comes down to accurately placing those non funded bet selections. I have demonstrated that mindless blind bet selections will produce win streaks and losing streaks. I have also shown that they can be visualized like carrot and sticks charts in the stock market where traders search for patterns in moving averages. This is not mumbo-jumbo. Stock traders bet on the stocks based on these moving averages and the effects of support and resistance.

I do the same thing. I'm hunting for consistent resistant sequencing where I defund my selections, no matter what they are, be it fantastic looking trends or not, so that it acts like I have placed a stop sell point. But in Roulette you are not forced to sell or get killed. You can just defund the bet selections for a while and wait for the swarming uptick in the values. This process of waiting outside of any damage is what causes the variable change to occur.

I have no problem visualizing a losing streak based on mindless or well structured bet selections. According to math these guesses are meaningless anyway. Nevertheless  I can demonstrate how they can be useful and meaningful at the same time. But that will have to be a different discussion. The point I'm trying to make is that you can know when you are in a losing streak. You can't know how long it will last. But I'm saying you don't have to know how long it will last. There is such a thing as the bigger picture. You can see when your bet selections are doing well and when they are not doing well. These are big movements, over all movements, in the sequence of any gambling session. I can easily target these big picture movements.  Now if that is true then you have just been shown my necessary edge.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 10:40 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 10:27 AM 2020
You can see when your bet selections are doing well and when they are not doing well. These are big movements, over all movements, in the sequence of any gambling session. I can easily target these big picture movements.  Now if that is true then you have just been shown my necessary edge.

Except, that  Roulette is not the stock market. In Stock market the amount that people buy/sell is not random. I know a Forex professional trader personally and he explained that it's about predicting when to buy/sell, based on a lot of studying that they do.

You are not playing in a stock market. You got numbers coming out at random. And you are not predicting either - meaning you don't have an edge.

And I will mention this fact : the traders at stock markets don't use progression until they can see that they have been making money consistently with flat bets.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 10:47 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:17 AM 2020You are observing the patterns (such as red,red,red,black,black,black,high,high,high) and you think that they have a correlation, and to you it is "variable change", while in fact they are independent of each other and that is not a variable change.
No, not even a little. I guess this is the time to show how trends can signal a win streak. First off the variable change math comes from defunding any losing streak. It does not matter what causes that losing streak. It just happens. I'll give you an example for instance. Let's just guess at the numbers but say that I must lose 53 times for each bet placed on Red and win only 47 times for the same bet selection. Now because of variance  let's say that there will be maybe one streak of ten losses in a row. There might also be 2 sequences where 6 losses in a row occur. So if I can stay out of 5 of the losses from the big losing streak and 1 loss from each of the 6 sized losing streaks then I have protected my self from 7 of those necessary losses in the 100 spin sequence. So when I subtract those 7 unfunded losses from the expected 53 I get 46 losses to my 47 wins. This is what happens as a result of variable change.

Now go further with this logic and consider a few bets at twice as much on the big and few smaller win streaks. I now get a net value of say 6 added to my wins because a few bets were at twice the value. So I have an aggregate win value of  47 + 6 for a total of 53 wins against 46 losses. So it's not just the non funded losing streak bets but the double funded win streak bets too.

Now add the logic of a real stop win point of 3 net wins and value 1.   All I'm asking you to do is see the wave formations of common ups and downs caused by simple variance. Three bets beyond breaking even is a very small distance.  I use the 7 net losses because some times the first bet placed on a guess losses and that there can be swarms of lost first attempt bets. It's all part of randomness where nobody knows what will happen. There can be a rare perfect storm of first attempt losses.  But most of the times you can see win streaks and losing streaks and they just happen regularly.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 10:47 AM 2020
To give you a better example Gizmo:

You got 10 black balls, 10 red balls, and 1 green ball in the bag. You can make a bet on the black or red ball. The payout is 1 to 1. If you win, you get $1. If you lose, you lose $1. (the ball goes back into the bag)

Would a professional take the bet? No, unless if he had a way to increase his accuracy, of predicting when the red or black ball comes out.

Would you (Gizmotron) take the bet? Yes, you would track when red, black, and green come out, and increase your bets during a certain "pattern" that you notice. The problem, is that the pattern doesn't exist - balls come out at random.

You will win some with progression in short term, but in the long run, you will lose big time.

In this example, there is no variable change. There would be a variable change if the ball would not go back in the bag or some other factor.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 10:52 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 10:47 AM 2020
No, not even a little. I guess this is the time to show how trends can signal a win streak. First off the variable change math comes from defunding any losing streak. It does not matter what causes that losing streak. It just happens. I'll give you an example for instance. Let's just guess at the numbers but say that I must lose 53 times for each bet placed on Red and win only 47 times for the same bet selection. Now because of variance  let's say that there will be maybe one streak of ten losses in a row. There might also be 2 sequences where 6 losses in a row occur. So if I can stay out of 5 of the losses from the big losing streak and 1 loss from each of the 6 sized losing streaks then I have protected my self from 7 of those necessary losses in the 100 spin sequence. So when I subtract those 7 unfunded losses from the expected 53 I get 46 losses to my 47 wins. This is what happens as a result of variable change.

The problem, is that you have no way to tell when the losing streak ends and when one begins. How are you going to stay out of the losing streaks? Just blindly guess? This means that your bets are no better than random bets - the payouts and the odds are still the same - those are the most important variables that don't change.

And like I said - if your method wins, you should be able to win by flat betting. It's simple - don't do any "lowered price bets", skip out on those, and keep the bet size the same for all other bets that you think would win.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 10:54 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:40 AM 2020Except, that  Roulette is not the stock market. In Stock market the amount that people buy/sell is not random. I know a Forex professional trader personally and he explained that it's about predicting when to buy/sell, based on a lot of studying that they do.
I know that that is true. There is cause and effect. People act on fear. "The chickens run scared." This is a buying opportunity.  All these things occur because of some external force. Randomness has no external force.  But, randomness still acts like the same kind of movements. I'm just saying to take advantage of the moving averages even though there is no cause and effect.  There are no chickens collapsing the market like in a sell off.  I'm just asking you if you can see up & down volatility in Even Chance bet selections and if you can see dominate patterns of up or down movements? If you can't see these bigger picture patterns then I would be interested in why you can't see them, regardless if they can be exploited or not.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 30, 10:59 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 10:54 AM 2020
But, randomness still acts like the same kind of movements. I'm just saying to take advantage of the moving averages even though there is no cause and effect. 

If the moving averages have no cause and effect - then it means they cannot exploited. And if they cannot be exploited, then they are meaningless, and play no role in you winning/losing.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 10:54 AM 2020
I'm just asking you if you can see up & down volatility in Even Chance bet selections and if you can see dominate patterns of up or down movements? If you can't see these bigger picture patterns then I would be interested in why you can't see them, regardless if they can be exploited or not.

Of course I can see them - but they are meaningless, because there is no cause/effect. The roulette wheel has no memory, and there are no other variables that change.

If there was a cause and effect - then you would be able to have an edge, and win with flat betting.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:05 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:52 AM 2020The problem, is that you have no way to tell when the losing streak ends and when one begins. How are you going to stay out of the losing streaks? Just blindly guess? This means that your bets are no better than random bets - the payouts and the odds are still the same - those are the most important variables that don't change.
It's actually very simple. I can only stay out of a losing streak that is already occurring and then demonstrates that it is continuing. Now this evidence for continuing always demonstrates itself with facts. It either continues on the very next spin or it does not.  The adds are actually better for that first try bet losing. But you can't get continuation unless it has already been in a state of continuing. So I can know when it ends. It ends on the first loss. I also can't know how long a win streak will last.  But if I win the first try bet then all wins after that are without damage. Once you get two wins in a row you are always going to get at least one net win in the aggregate from the sequence. So there is even a deeper level of understanding these win sequences. They often swarm in sizes. You must use this coincidence if it presents itself.  Suppose you are using four in a row as a trigger for win streak detection. Now suppose there has been a swarm of 7 wins in a row as a coincidental pattern for win streaks.  You could go for two or even maybe three wins in a row and then stop and not take that last lost bet.  There are times when randomness works for you like this. To ignore these coincidences is just ignorance.  There is no cause or effect. There is just coincidence.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:10 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:59 AM 2020If the moving averages have no cause and effect - then it means they cannot exploited. And if they cannot be exploited, then they are meaningless, and play no role in you winning/losing.
So keep the rule in your head and go without. It takes skill to do what I am doing. That comes from seeing win streaks and losing streaks and knowing that even with that there is no certainty of winning. But if I play the coincidences well then the casino has no chance of using math against me because I know I will lose that sight number of bets, funded or not.  I will also double my base value for unit size a few time on the way to a minimal stop point.  Math has no chance against me because I'm going to effectively use variable change to my advantage.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:12 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:47 AM 2020You will win some with progression in short term, but in the long run, you will lose big time.
Stay smarter than the rest of us. I can tell that I have failed to get to you in any productive way. You are a losing streak. I can see that.

Thanks for the discussion anyway. It was lively and well discussed.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:16 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:59 AM 2020Of course I can see them - but they are meaningless, because there is no cause/effect. The roulette wheel has no memory, and there are no other variables that change.
Why do these streaks need a cause and an effect?

I will give you their cause then. They happen because of coincidence and randomness. Now you have the cause. As far as a conversely expected effect goes, why does it have to have meaning. You are looking for prediction where there can't be any.

But you are flat out wrong that you can't use them.  A person just has to decide to use them. You have decided not to use them.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:20 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 30, 10:59 AM 2020If there was a cause and effect - then you would be able to have an edge, and win with flat betting.
I have already demonstrated a way for you that flat betting is nearly useless. You must have a way to defund losing streaks or variable change is not possible. If you add to that attacking the stronger patterns of coincidence then you are even better off than just flat betting & defunded bets.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:28 AM 2020
All and all this has been a great discussion today. It seems to come down to being able to use streaks by targeting them when they show evidence that they are occurring.  That is possible because you also use their effectiveness states. There are times when it works and there are times when it does not. Those are absolute certainties and they can be known.  They are facts. I can use those facts to continue or not. The casino can't make me sit there and lose. I can get up and leave the session. I can also leave with my miniscule 3 net wins. They can't lay a guilt trip on my like poker players can.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 12:21 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:17 AM 2020But what if it wins by targeting opportunities with an increased sized bet and mitigates losses by a lower priced bet?
You can't predict when there's an "opportunity" or when you are more likely to lose. In fact, opportunities don't even exist in roulette; it's all random.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:17 AM 2020I did the first 50 games flat just for you
Contradiction alert: you just posted last night that you had to use progression for RR to work.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:22 AM 2020I guess you have never seen me say that you will lose the correct number of bets that math says you should lose
This means you cannot win at a better rate than random.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:22 AM 2020I'm clearly saying that you can make unfunded bet selections that lose at the mathematical rate.
Both your unfunded and funded bets lose at the same rate.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 09:22 AM 2020I have math on my side
How? You cannot beat the house edge by guessing or using your reading randomness system.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 12:25 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:16 AM 2020They happen because of coincidence and randomness
They happen because of randomness alone. Why do you throw this coincidence idea into the mix? What is your motive of trying to deceive us?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:20 AM 2020I have already demonstrated a way for you that flat betting is nearly useless.
You keep flip flopping. Now, you're back to flat betting not working again.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Moxy on Oct 30, 12:38 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 30, 04:04 AM 2020
Not at all. If they can talk the talk, then they should be expected to walk the walk. Proof is expected of everything in our world: would you swallow some random pills that purportedly cure you of illness? No, you would want proof.I have no beef. They can go to the casinos themselves and lose. The beef comes when they spread their false information, delusions, lies, etc. to others.

The Freudian blindspot of people asking for proof on a public forum is astoundingly tone deaf...  Or... 

That there are actual obliging is inexplicable.  It's an exercise in futility regardless.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 01:17 PM 2020
and now the trolling starts up again.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: cht on Oct 30, 01:32 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 30, 12:38 PM 2020
The Freudian blindspot of people asking for proof on a public forum is astoundingly tone deaf...  Or... 

That there are actual obliging is inexplicable.  It's an exercise in futility regardless.
Best to step back from the forum, watch this farcical show this coordinated fraudulent naysayers group display to us on this forum lately. Enjoy the movie.  :)
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 02:58 PM 2020
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 01:32 PM 2020Best to step back from the forum, watch this farcical show this coordinated fraudulent naysayers group display to us on this forum lately. Enjoy the movie. 
What's "fraudulent" about proving you system junkies wrong?
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 01:32 PM 2020Best to step back from the forum
Why don't you leave already? Why do you always have to say I'm leaving? I'm done with this forum. Blah, blah, blah. Just shut your trap and go already.
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 01:32 PM 2020naysayers
I'm not a naysayer. I already told you I can flap my arms to the moon. I don't have to prove it. Gizmotron gets immunity; we all get immunity.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 05:47 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 30, 11:16 AM 2020
Why do these streaks need a cause and an effect?

I will give you their cause then. They happen because of coincidence and randomness. Now you have the cause. As far as a conversely expected effect goes, why does it have to have meaning. You are looking for prediction where there can't be any.

But you are flat out wrong that you can't use them.  A person just has to decide to use them. You have decided not to use them.

They have no cause and effect, thus they cannot be used to beat roulette. In stock market there are, thus people are able to make money.

Cause and effect is what is needed to increase the accuracy of your bet selections. If you cannot increase the accuracy of your bet selections - then you have no edge. 

And this is why you couldn’t win by flat betting.

If you disagree, then you need to go back and study the fundamentals that Steve talks about.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:12 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:47 AM 2020Cause and effect is what is needed to increase the accuracy of your bet selections. If you cannot increase the accuracy of your bet selections - then you have no edge.
Or, I can increase the chance that I can target win streaks and losing streaks, thus giving me an edge. I can only get a few unfunded bets during a losing streak. I can't target them during chaos. The same goes for win streaks. They can only be doubled down on for an attack during a win streak.  All you are trying to say is that you can't know these conditions for sure.

Nobody on planet earth has suggested variable change this way. So not even Steve has the absolute math that solves everything, including standing up for you. I know that I'm right. It's just you that insists that it must be done flat betting. So how does that work. I'm supposed to put my mind in a sling and do what you say I must do. I don't think so. I believe I will just not care what your concerns are and go about my business. I can use streaks and you say that I can't. Big deal. We are getting nowhere.  You think that you are right and have the responsibility to inform me and others. I share what I know is true and the world can go fuck itself. It's doing a pretty good job of that anyway. I'll just do what you say I can't do for you at R-Sim. Let that speak for itself.  You will then have the freedom to pull it all apart, hopefully not with lame arguments and sophistry.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 06:28 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:12 AM 2020Or, I can increase the chance that I can target win streaks and losing streaks
It's impossible to target what you can't see.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:12 AM 2020They can only be doubled down on for an attack during a win streak.  All you are trying to say is that you can't know these conditions for sure.
Will you ever stop spreading lies and gambler's fallacies?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:12 AM 2020It's just you that insists that it must be done flat betting.
One day you say that your system wins by using flat betting; another day you need progression. You keep flip flopping.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 06:39 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:12 AM 2020
Or, I can increase the chance that I can target win streaks and losing streaks, thus giving me an edge.

No you can't, because you don't know when they start and when they end. You have no ability to tell when the next number is more likely to come, color, column, etc. That's why your bets are no better than random bets. Steve said it as well.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:12 AM 2020
It's just you that insists that it must be done flat betting. So how does that work

Seek first to understand, than to be understood. Do you understand why I am insisting on flat betting? Do you think it's just to make you jump through extra hoops or just because I want to discredit you?

If a system cannot win by flat betting - it's a losing system, period. This applies not just to RR but to every system out there. This has been explained many times already on this forum, on roulettephysics.com, and in Steve's videos.

If the system wins by flat betting, it means that it has an edge. If the system cannot win by flat betting, it means that it has no edge. This is how we know if the wins come through variance/luck, or they actually have an edge.

What is so hard to understand this? This is really basic and fundamental stuff.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:33 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 06:39 AM 2020No you can't, because you don't know when they start and when they end.
I'm not as stupid as the pit bosses or you for that matter. Yet the pit bosses see every one of my win streaks. How is that?  You do play in real casinos, right? You have seen this haven't you? I really wonder.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:34 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 06:39 AM 2020Seek first to understand, than to be understood.
Or just tell the mathZombies to eat shit.  Don't forget to vote.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:39 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 06:39 AM 2020If the system wins by flat betting, it means that it has an edge. If the system cannot win by flat betting, it means that it has no edge. This is how we know if the wins come through variance/luck, or they actually have an edge.
Bullshit! The advantage of beating Blackjack is not from flat betting. You bet bigger when the cards are in favor and less when it is not. They use teams that come in and give up the count. The searcher uses a small bet to get the count and the big player comes in with the count handed to them and takes over with huge bets. This alone refutes your beliefs.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 10:43 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:33 AM 2020
I'm not as stupid as the pit bosses or you for that matter. Yet the pit bosses see every one of my win streaks. How is that?  You do play in real casinos, right? You have seen this haven't you? I really wonder.

Pit bosses see them when they have already happened. Pit bosses don't make any bets. You make your bets before it happens, not after it has already happened. That is the difference.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 10:45 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:39 AM 2020
Bullshit! The advantage of beating Blackjack is not from flat betting. You bet bigger when the cards are in favor and less when it is not. They use teams that come in and give up the count. The searcher uses a small bet to get the count and the big player comes in with the count handed to them and takes over with huge bets. This alone refutes your beliefs.

This is a very bad example - apples and oranges. Blackjack players get their edge from counting cards! That is where their advantage comes from. They turn a -EV bet into +EV bet by increasing odds in their favor.

To increase the odds in your favor in Roulette, you need to increase the accuracy of your predictions/bet selections.

If you are unable to predict when the win streak happens or ends - it means you don't increase the odds in your favor.

Gizmo, Steve and other winning players all talk about these things. For some reason you are unwilling to face the truth.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:33 AM 2020You do play in real casinos, right?
You fail to understand the very basics. With each spin of the wheel, about half of the people win, and the other half losses.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 10:45 AM 2020To increase the odds in your favor in Roulette, you need to increase the accuracy of your predictions/bet selections.
Says you and that horde of rats that think they are enlightened. I don't need to increase the odds in my favor for each spin. I need to increase the odds in my favor for a session.  In the session I'm expected to lose more than I win. So I accept that. To win I must know when to likely defund parts of a losing streak. I can do that. You can't. That is because I have a skill that you don't have.  You openly admit to being able to see win streaks and losing streaks. I will assume that you are not so bone headed as to be able to tell if your bet selections are working or if they are not working. It's not too hard. When you see that steak dinner go across the table to the dealer and get raked away you know that your bet selection is not working.

My mathematical edge is in session awareness and has nothing to do with independent spin results.  You are stuck only looking at one spin at a time.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 12:03 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:39 AM 2020The advantage of beating Blackjack is not from flat betting.
You can beat blackjack by flat betting. You only bet when you have the edge.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:04 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020With each spin of the wheel, about half of the people win, and the other half losses.
You are a troll. You are always a loser. Now flip out.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:06 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 31, 12:03 PM 2020You can beat blackjack by flat betting. You only bet when you have the edge.
Clueless. How old are you? Have you ever been in a casino?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 12:07 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020To win I must know when to likely defund parts of a losing streak.
You can't predict when that will happen. You said so yourself.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020as to be able to tell if your bet selections are working or if they are not working
Anyone can see if something "worked" after the fact. In fact, no bet selection works; you just get lucky.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020When you see that steak dinner go across the table to the dealer and get raked away you know that your bet selection is not working.
This doesn't mean shit. You still have the same probability of winning/losing your next bet/s.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020My mathematical edge is in session awareness and has nothing to do with independent spin results.  You are stuck only looking at one spin at a time.
You keep trying to blend your losing method by throwing around the term "session" as if that has anything to do with this.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 12:08 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:04 PM 2020You are a troll. You are always a loser. Now flip out.
This is an accurate description of yourself.
You are behaving as an elementary school student.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 12:09 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:06 PM 2020
Clueless. How old are you? Have you ever been in a casino?
How old are you, and have you ever been in a casino?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:19 PM 2020
Don't feed the troll !
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:22 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 31, 12:07 PM 2020You can't predict when that will happen. You said so yourself.
So I use the entrails of an owl.

What does it matter. I win you lose. All is well with the world.

Don't feed the troll !
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 01:46 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:22 PM 2020So I use the entrails of an owl.

What does it matter. I win you lose. All is well with the world.

Don't feed the troll !
Who taught you reading randomness? Why did you ever look toward gambling as a source of income to begin with? I am genuinely curious; you pique my interest.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 02:23 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020
Says you and that horde of rats that think they are enlightened.

Steve and other professional roulette players say this as well.  Are they a horde of rats too? Have you thought, that since they have won more than you, they may be right? Steve explains it on his site, and videos very clearly.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:02 PM 2020
I don't need to increase the odds in my favor for each spin. I need to increase the odds in my favor for a session.

That is a plain fallacy. What you call a "session" consists of individual spins. How can can you increase the odds for a session, without increasing the odds for spins?

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:12 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 02:23 PM 2020Steve and other professional roulette players say this as well.  Are they a horde of rats too? Have you thought, that since they have won more than you, they may be right? Steve explains it on his site, and videos very clearly.
Where has Steve managed to exclude variable change from strategic awareness in randomness. He just dismisses it as some kind of Zen master and therefore has no need to address it.  I have you mathZombies exactly where I want you. I've told you what is what and you have rejected it. I don't care. One day you will all see this. You will remember that I showed it to you and that you could not see it.  I have even told you the math that applies. Where was everyone at before Ed Thorp and "Beat the Dealer" came out? He changed everything about Blackjack and all he did was discover something that had always been true.

You can't imagine using streaks of wins and streaks of losses so you reject it. You ask completely lame questions about how this and how that. I find that telling on its own.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:15 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 02:23 PM 2020That is a plain fallacy. What you call a "session" consists of individual spins. How can can you increase the odds for a session, without increasing the odds for spins?
I hope that you are really that stupid. I can't believe that you are just a shill that has trashing duty twice a week. Tag team sycophants patrolling the computer sales forum. Now that's a plausible picture.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 05:22 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:12 PM 2020
Where has Steve managed to exclude variable change from strategic awareness in randomness.

When did I say this? Why are you saying the stuff that I didn't say? This was my original quote and Steve has hammered this point very frequently:

Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 10:45 AM 2020

To increase the odds in your favor in Roulette, you need to increase the accuracy of your predictions/bet selections.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:12 PM 2020
You can't imagine using streaks of wins and streaks of losses so you reject it.

I reject plain delusion. You packed things into "streaks", yet you don't see that those streaks consists of numbers - and you still need to increase the accuracy of your bet selections on those numbers, to produce a winning streak.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 05:40 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:15 PM 2020
I hope that you are really that stupid. I can't believe that you are just a shill that has trashing duty twice a week. Tag team sycophants patrolling the computer sales forum. Now that's a plausible picture.

Whenever you are backed into a corner and you run out of bullshit to say - you immediately start insulting others.

I have broken down your fancy packed BS into pieces, and now everyone can see the full picture.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 06:07 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:15 PM 2020I can't believe that you are just a shill that has trashing duty twice a week.
Only twice??? A week. More like twice every four hours.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:45 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:40 PM 2020Whenever you are backed into a corner and you run out of bullshit to say - you immediately start insulting others.

I have broken down your fancy packed BS into pieces, and now everyone can see the full picture.
All you have done is attempted to create a construct that has you as the brilliant protagonist. You are still ignorant of what I have given to others freely. That is the missing thing in all this. You already know it can't work so your best scientific approach is confirmation bias. That makes you simply a doo doo head.

I just laugh that if I use you as a whipping boy you then have proof that you are brilliant.  It's so one stepped.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 06:53 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:45 PM 2020
All you have done is attempted to create a construct that has you as the brilliant protagonist. You are still ignorant of what I have given to others freely. That is the missing thing in all this. You already know it can't work so your best scientific approach is confirmation bias. That makes you simply a doo doo head.

I just laugh that if I use you as a whipping boy you then have proof that you are brilliant.  It's so one stepped.

Fact remains: You have done this for 20 years and have a losing record on both RS (13 resets)and MPR.Countless of excuses and BS.

Anyone with a brain could tell you are not making any money with RR - you are just craving attention and admiration.

As others have said, you should get some professional help.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 07:28 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 06:53 PM 2020Fact remains: You have done this for 20 years and have a losing record on both RS (13 resets)and MPR.Countless of excuses and BS.
It must be rewarding presenting sophistry and then polishing your spandex. Everything changed three years ago. I'm tired of telling what.

And I'm just getting started with what works for me at R-Sim.

Let's try this from another angle. You are a loser because you only have old fashioned absolutism formed probability. You don't have Reading Randomness, and you probably need a few more years before Steve will give you one of his computers. Keep up the home front.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 01, 04:44 AM 2020
“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. “ â€" Mark Twain
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 01, 05:56 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 01, 04:44 AM 2020It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. “
Ignorance is bliss
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 01, 09:27 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 01, 05:56 AM 2020
Ignorance is bliss

"Bliss." That's your mom's name. It's a contraction of Bling & Liss.
Your name is a contraction too. It comes from Meaning & Liss. The long form of your name is Meaningliss.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 01, 10:11 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 01, 09:27 AM 2020The long form of your name is Meaningliss.
That was meaningless. This is meaningless. We're all meaningless.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 01, 10:23 AM 2020
What's a troll? Do you just label anyone a troll who vehemently disagrees with you?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Nov 01, 07:02 PM 2020
Quote from: cht on Oct 30, 04:46 AM 2020
I will report excessive naysaying post to Steve.

If Steve doesn't take action the same way with excessive claims, I'm done with this forum.

You reported your own post. Report posts you think are a problem.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Steve on Nov 01, 07:04 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 30, 06:37 AM 2020
@Gizmotron
What's your excuse for not being a trillionaire? Do you feel too much empathy for the casinos?  :xd:

This post was reported, but not removed. It borders between trolling and a fair question. Again it's borderline.

There have been lots of reporting lately. Please everyone carefully consider the rules, and my examples of borderline, before reporting.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 01, 07:39 PM 2020
I'm glad that somebody reported some of this stuff. I was just going to let him blab and blab along.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 02, 08:44 AM 2020
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Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 02, 08:48 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 01, 07:39 PM 2020I'm glad that somebody reported some of this stuff. I was just going to let him blab and blab along.
You act like a baby. You cry whenever someone challenges your delusions.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 09:24 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 02, 08:48 AM 2020You act like a baby. You cry whenever someone challenges your delusions.

You are not contributing to discussion. Where is your money making expertise?

I'm coming for you guys.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 02, 09:26 AM 2020
@Gizmotron
If you had anything, you’d be able to clearly state what you have. You wouldn’t have to encode it in a bunch of nonsense.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 09:34 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 02, 09:26 AM 2020@Gizmotron
If you had anything, you’d be able to clearly state what you have. You wouldn’t have to encode it in a bunch of nonsense.
It's a skill. "The best way to Carnegie Hall is practice, practice, practice."

The schooling starts with seeing trends and patterns in a live play chart by use of the skill of visual dexterity. That is not encoded nonsense. That instruction is not at this gambling forum. It's at another location so that I would only have to write it once. What is here are questions and answers because people here wanted to discuss it.  With that comes know-it-all mathZombies that have everything in gambling all worked out. Just ask them. They will tell you why discussion is so unnecessary. I know that you hope one day to be significant. Just keep trashing. You will impress somebody.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Ross on Nov 02, 02:36 PM 2020
     "the skill of visual dexterity"

Well that's an aspect of playing roulette that I
haven't come across before.  Joke of the week.

Got any more like that Gizmo?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 03:55 PM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Nov 02, 02:36 PM 2020Well that's an aspect of playing roulette that I
haven't come across before.  Joke of the week.
Oh no, another uninformed voter.

Perhaps a picture is at least worth a few words. This is from page one of the teaching thread. That is the place were real people get informed before they open their traps and show how smart they really are.  I go on to show and explain everything without it ever leaving anyone with a mystery. So this is your first lesson.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Ross on Nov 03, 04:21 AM 2020


  "the skill of visual dexterity"

So it just means moving your eyes.. who'd have guessed?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 04:51 AM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Nov 03, 04:21 AM 2020So it just means moving your eyes.. who'd have guessed?
Yeah, hahaha LOL. It's nothing more than seeing trends and patterns in a chart.  There are people that keep track of results in matrix style. To analyze them you must think what it means. Try to think what 6 independent groups mean times 20 different primary trend or pattern types, then look at the effectiveness chart for w / L, wins and losses, and come up with the best looking condition in 10 to 20 seconds. You can't do it with a matrix. That would take 20 minutes.  You must have a skill to see these trends and patterns in a quick glance without trying to assemble them in your mind first.

It's like this: red, red, red, black, red, red, red,  black, red, red, red, black,

Or this:  X X X * X X X * X X X *

One way you must think it together the other you can just quickly see it. That's what visual dexterity is used for in Reading Randomness.

At a real live B&M casino I have to watch for the dealer not to wipe any winning bets. Once that is cleared I can look down at my playing chart and enter the results of the latest spin. While the dealer is paying off I can look for a best opportunity. I then check that I have been paid off correctly. Now the dealer picks up the dolly and you can start placing the next bets. All this takes about 30 to 90 seconds . You only have a short time before "no more bets." There is no time to reason out what trends or patterns there might be.

Example chart:


W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |
   | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  01  --  02 ( $ -45 ) Red / Low
   |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  02  --  25 ( $ -90 ) Red / Low
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  03  --  16 ( $ 45 ) Red / Low
   | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  04  --  31 ( $ 0 ) Red / Low
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  05  --  18 ( $ 135 ) Red / Low
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  06  --  22 ( $ 90 ) Red / Low
   |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  07  --  27 ( $ 45 ) Red / Low
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  08  --  04 ( $ 0 ) Red / Low
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  09  --  22 ( $ -45 ) Red / Low
X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  10  --  05 ( $ 90 ) Red / Low
   |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  11  --  21 ( $ 45 ) Red / Low
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 03, 05:50 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 04:51 AM 2020At a real live B&M casino I have to watch for the dealer not to wipe any winning bets.
If you could really beat roulette, you'd just focus on the 3 even chance groups and bet big. There'd be no need to watch for swiped bets; everything would be so much easier. Btw, you would be a billionaire or trillionaire as well.

Your system doesn't beat the math of roulette, and there's no getting around that.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 11:36 AM 2020
For those of you looking into Reading Randomness a situation happened today where the Global Effect was in strong form and I still lost because I read it wrong and didn't use it much at all. Let's see if you can see it? Here is the live play chart for that losing game today at R-sim:


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It's a magnificent example of the Global Effect too.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 03, 02:21 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 11:36 AM 2020
I still lost because I read it wrong
It's a magnificent example of the Global Effect too.

...or of the nature of randomness...
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Nov 03, 03:51 PM 2020
Gizmotron's EC bets are 400 (highest I seen). He is currently up 435. This mean that he is only up around 1 unit, after all of these games.

Here is how his chart looks like: link:s://prnt.sc/vcusfz

His results indicate once again that his bet selections are no better than random (he is break even, won 1 unit lol).

This time he wants to blame his losses on the fact that "he read it wrong". He will always find the next excuse, but will never admit that RR is a losing method.

Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 04:36 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Nov 03, 03:51 PM 2020This time he wants to blame his losses on the fact that "he read it wrong". He will always find the next excuse, but will never admit that RR is a losing method.
It's very good that you have your proof that it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 03, 04:38 PM 2020
Gizmo
Just using sequences from the mat.
So, fcuk em, you keep at it.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 03, 04:39 PM 2020
ND aka tam
thought you gave up RF
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 03, 04:54 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 04:36 PM 2020It's very good that you have your proof that it doesn't work.
I have my proof. It's in the math. You cannot predict better than less than 50% for each spin, 25% for two spins in a row, etc. You lose; math wins.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Nov 03, 06:18 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 04:36 PM 2020
It's very good that you have your proof that it doesn't work.

You have 13 resets on RS + currently breaking even. You also have a losing record on MPR. How does this not serve as proof that it doesn't work?

Or do you think that people are that stupid, that they would ignore this proof right in front of their eyes?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 03, 06:24 PM 2020
"When you get the answer you are looking for, hang up."

link:s://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d48572c2-6027-4822-8010-a860658bae43
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 04, 01:51 PM 2020
Gizmo
This should be on other forum, where Dr dickhead, AKA too many to type, The General.
On red/black betting.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 04, 01:56 PM 2020
Carried on watching how the red/black is trending.
The red did well; didn't get 37 red in a row.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 04, 03:02 PM 2020
There's one bet that is the very best. There is the weak side and there's the strong side. It changes back and forth for every Even Chance bet location.  It just chugs along all day long going from one side to the other.  All you have to do is figure out how to get on them and to ride the waves if you can.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 05, 07:42 AM 2020
For you Gizmo, what's trending?

Perhaps Chips could code it in 10 mins, over at GF
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 09:16 AM 2020
Yes, it's always fun to start a conversation by ridiculing's of Dr. Dickhead.

The trick in all this is nothing more than probing for effective moments and pouncing on them when they work.

There really is no need to program this. You just get better and better at getting on early and getting off quickly at hitting the strong sides. Yep, I search for chop as well. It has nice streaks too.

I have found that there are two ways to play. You can get out on the first moment that you reach your stop win point in each session or you play for a fixed amount of time, say 3 to 4 hours where you get from 120 to 150 spins. In this case you just take whatever your aggregate win total brings you based on the quality of that session's streaks pay.

Like I have suggested for more than a decade, there are times when similar sizes of things swarm even when each type of characteristic may be different. It's important to become aware of these things. Most people never see these rhythmic type of coincidences. They never look for this type of quality so it goes non exploited.

I always laugh at how smart people try to present themselves while ignoring bags of gold sitting right underneath their noses. This somehow make me the idiot.  Even when you show them clear examples of these they can't see them. I suppose human nature is far more important than opportunity squandered.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 05, 12:59 PM 2020
You never explain how you can win. There's an uneven payout, 35 to 1 for each number. There are 37 numbers. Math wins in the long run.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 05, 01:05 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 09:16 AM 2020I suppose human nature is far more important than opportunity squandered.
I could spend all my time and effort running a business and actually make money or I can waste my life trying to do what's impossible, like beating roulette by reading randomness.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 02:35 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 05, 01:05 PM 2020I could spend all my time and effort running a business and actually make money or I can waste my life trying to do what's impossible, like beating roulette by reading randomness.
I could possibly be the first poly extreme athlete ever. I could have had three careers, worth satisfaction, Skilled craftsman to real-estate developer, computer research and development, music industry recording studio designer and builder, pilot, musician, golfer with a single digit USGA handicap, and in this area a gambler. I set out to accomplish things and try to reach a highest degree of skill and capability. This is no different. Your obvious greatness comes from being a very good irritating pest. I congratulate you on this and hope that this is your greatest  achievement in life. Perhaps the molded surface of your backside has melted into the couch in grandma's basement serves you best. That would make a good impression of you as well.

So why are you like you are?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 02:40 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 05, 12:59 PM 2020You never explain how you can win.
Bet bigger amounts when you are winning and bet smaller amounts when you are losing.  I don't know how to explain to you winning and losing because you have never registered a capacity to understand these simple concepts.

Proof of that is in your very statement just now. I have clearly explained these simple concepts. It sort of begs many questions. But if I ask them some people might think I'm picking on you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: precogmiles on Nov 05, 02:50 PM 2020
Gizmo have you demonstrated anything yet?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 03:54 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Nov 05, 02:50 PM 2020
Gizmo have you demonstrated anything yet?

So far three times 50 wins in a row without a loss. But that style of betting became subject to a claim of using a progression. Then I did 50 games in a row flat betting and showed what I said that I could hardly break even. Then I started doing something now with John Patrick's 2, 1, 2 "Up & Pull" method.

But I have a better idea. I'm thinking of just going after strong side weak side in the EC's and flat betting. I will use virtual bets, spins without bets, and one size bets from 90 to 110 units. I'm also considering not stopping at 3 net wins. Just going to go after 100 to 150 spin sessions and see what I can see.

How about you? I see you on top sometimes and then your missing. Then you are back again on top. Does R-Sim not show all the people on top at times?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 05, 05:27 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 02:35 PM 2020I could possibly be the first poly extreme athlete ever. I could have had three careers, worth satisfaction, Skilled craftsman to real-estate developer, computer research and development, music industry recording studio designer and builder, pilot, musician, golfer with a single digit USGA handicap,
These things are all great and all.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 02:40 PM 2020Bet bigger amounts when you are winning and bet smaller amounts when you are losing
How do you know when you're winning/losing? Obviously, there isn't a magical number, where say I won the past 3 or 4 spins, so now I should start betting big. Right?

Can you wait til you see something within 20 spins to determine if something is working?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Nov 05, 05:41 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 02:40 PM 2020
Bet bigger amounts when you are winning and bet smaller amounts when you are losing.  I don't know how to explain to you winning and losing because you have never registered a capacity to understand these simple concepts.

Proof of that is in your very statement just now. I have clearly explained these simple concepts. It sort of begs many questions. But if I ask them some people might think I'm picking on you.

You clearly don't understand these concepts either, as you are currently only up 1.5 units after playing for a considerable amount of time.

You bet 370 on EC, and you are up 515, or just breakeven. Here is the screenshot of your results so far: link:s://prnt.sc/vebawc

If RR had any merit and was legit, you would be up now 100+ units easily, if not more. Your proof is on RS and this time, you had ran out of excuses.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 07:18 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Nov 05, 05:41 PM 2020If RR had any merit and was legit, you would be up now 100+ units easily, if not more. Your proof is on RS and this time, you had ran out of excuses.
I'm not making excuses. I'm just getting you on record. Thank you.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Nov 05, 07:31 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 07:18 PM 2020
I'm not making excuses. I'm just getting you on record. Thank you.

Explain then why are you having such poor results with RR? Why are you only breaking even?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 05, 07:33 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 07:18 PM 2020I'm not making excuses. I'm just getting you on record. Thank you.
You aren't really recording this, are you?
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 05, 07:35 PM 2020
N/A
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 09:10 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Nov 05, 07:31 PM 2020Explain then why are you having such poor results with RR? Why are you only breaking even?
I get lazy and because it's not real money I get tired of slogging away for a win. I haven't been to a live casino in almost a year. Just look at my losses. I just sit there repeating the same bet for a while because it's a hassle to load all those inside bets. My practice software is a single button click and it loads my custom sets automatically.  I can switch from chart mode to graph mode instantly and back again. All my losses are apathy related. That's why I'm going to attempt to use a method that allows me to use the hold feature that keeps the last bet and places it for you. I know this sounds lame but you can see that I stop trying and just start pressing the repeat button.  It doesn't matter If I prove I can win. It only matters if I can teach others to win. It's fun to tease some people that are irritating at times. All I have to do is lose just enough to give them ammunition and they take pot shots at me. So it's not a total loss.

Just let me use R-sim to see if I can play strong side weak side with lots of repeated bets using the hold feature.  I should get less lazy, hopefully.  Plus this will allow me to do a lot of spins in a very short time.  With my practice software I can get my 4.66 win to loss ratio because the bets are easy to place. I've learned a lot about me because of R-sim.  At a live casino there's like 2 minutes between spins. That's 30 spins in an hour. 
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 06, 12:18 AM 2020
I have the holy grail. I can win 60% of the time. I'm just too lazy to play it. Does anybody want to see me play it on RS. Btw, if I lose, it's just because I was too lazy to use it properly. But that doesn't matter, because I'm teaching people where to bet.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Nov 06, 03:20 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 09:10 PM 2020
I get lazy and because it's not real money I get tired of slogging away for a win.

Again with the same old excuse? When you are winning, it's RR, and when you lose - it's you getting bored, losing on purpose, or some other BS reason.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 09:10 PM 2020
It doesn't matter If I prove I can win.
That's not what you said in beginning. In beginning, you clear goal was to show yourself winning. It matters when you win, but doesn't matter when you lose - you are a funny guy.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 05, 09:10 PM 2020
It only matters if I can teach others to win.

You can't teach something others, something that you can't do yourself.

The difference between winners and losers, is that winners don't make excuses and that they win. You talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

Precogmiles has been winning, without a single excuse. You can learn a lot from him.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 06, 06:31 AM 2020
OK, now it's official. Reading Randomness does not work.

Goodbye
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 06, 07:58 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 06, 06:31 AM 2020OK, now it's official. Reading Randomness does not work.

Goodbye
It works...for the casino.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 06, 12:33 PM 2020
As i said Giz, you carry on.
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: Mean on Nov 07, 06:31 AM 2020
I won three units by reading randomness  :o
Title: Re: Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator
Post by: winforus on Nov 07, 11:56 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 06, 06:31 AM 2020
OK, now it's official. Reading Randomness does not work.

Goodbye

Gizmotron you are now at -5485 : link:s://prnt.sc/vf7uwa Those 3 last losing sessions came in yesterday, so I hope that you finally realized that RR doesn't work.

There is no shame in admitting that your mistakes. Maybe you can now move on to a better method, like precognition? Precogmiles have had success with it, and I am also having decent results so far with it.