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Title: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 07:37 AM 2020
I know I said I will not post here anymore but... I've been thinking about it and it's a public forum so... I couldn't care less about the ones that called me a scammer, a lier and so many other things.

Considering this, I have attached some things (and I know that I will not miss the ones that think that I'm a scammer)  ;D ;D

Except the one with 10k spins (from random.org) all the other ones are real live spins.

So... eat this!

Special thanks to a friend that helped me code my system! I will not say the name of that person...
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 18, 07:46 AM 2020
Your drawdowns are like a typical martingale. The only difference is the scale.

Also you have significant periods of no bets. So it means the system survived fewer spins.

The curve isnt indicative of a winning system. But if im wrong, play for real and win.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 07:50 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 07:46 AM 2020
Your drawdowns are like a typical martingale. The only difference is the scale.

Also you have significant periods of no bets. So it means the system survived fewer spins.

The curve isnt indicative of a winning system. But if im wrong, play for real and win.

1. No martingale, but there is a progression.
2. I haven't said that there is a bet at every spin.
3. I am playing for real! And winning!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: RayManZ on Jun 18, 08:12 AM 2020
Risking 3753 to win 8105 in 300.000 spins. Yes it is winning but the risk/reward doesnt make sense at all.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 08:16 AM 2020
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 18, 08:12 AM 2020
Risking 3753 to win 8105 in 300.000 spins. Yes it is winning but the risk/reward doesnt make sense at all.

If someone wants with 5bucks to win 1million... better chances are at lottery :))
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: pepper on Jun 18, 08:19 AM 2020
I'm highly skeptical anyone would publicly post results of a winning system. Then again, maybe not? If you have genuinely found a winning system, kudos to you, great job!!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 08:21 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 18, 08:19 AM 2020
I'm highly skeptical anyone would publicly post results of a winning system. Then again, maybe not? If you have genuinely found a winning system, kudos to you, great job!!!! :thumbsup:

Why not? I just wanted to prove something to someone(s) ! Nothing more!

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 18, 09:37 AM 2020
To make it short and from the end :

How much you want ?

:twisted:
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 11:16 AM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 18, 09:37 AM 2020
To make it short and from the end :

How much you want ?

:twisted:

:xd: :xd: :xd:

Let's make an auction!  8) 8)

Meanwhile, here's another 48k spins downloaded from RX...
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 11:19 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 11:16 AM 2020Let's make an auction!

I'm just joking!

I didn't post this in order to sell it. For the moment, it's priceless and nobody here can afford it! :)))

I'm not gonna give it for free either.

As I said earlier... I just wanted to prove that I have it, I'm not a scammer and it can be done!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Moxy on Jun 18, 11:50 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 11:19 AM 2020
I'm just joking!

I didn't post this in order to sell it. For the moment, it's priceless and nobody here can afford it! :)))

I'm not gonna give it for free either.

As I said earlier... I just wanted to prove that I have it, I'm not a scammer and it can be done!

Geez Louise.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: daddyPIG on Jun 18, 01:38 PM 2020
that was a good one Steefan.

its priceless and nobody can afford? lol

your 2446 for 48k spins is wayyyy. . . . . .  too long.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 18, 02:36 PM 2020
Quote from: daddyPIG on Jun 18, 01:38 PM 2020
that was a good one Steefan.

its priceless and nobody can afford? lol

your 2446 for 48k spins is wayyyy. . . . . .  too long.

Show me a better one! But to survive all the previous tests I showed!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 19, 04:10 AM 2020
Surviving is progression and luck. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 19, 05:52 AM 2020
Steve, you know I respect your opinion and -not only once - I admitted that you might have the best "strategy" to win at roulette.

But not even you are 100% sure that your way and (possibly) precognition are the only ways to win. Personally, I don't believe in precognition, but... I'm not against it.

Anyway... if there's only luck, I'm open to test it more. Luck has to end sometime, right?

Anyone that wants to send real spins results... message me here

I will test and post here.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 19, 06:38 AM 2020
I know i dont know everything.

I at least know the basics, so i know what has already been proven to fail. Most people don't even know these basics.

So they repeat the same mistakes, each tine thinking they tried something new.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 19, 07:11 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 06:38 AM 2020
I know i dont know everything.

I at least know the basics, so i know what has already been proven to fail. Most people don't even know these basics.

So they repeat the same mistakes, each tine thinking they tried something new.

As far as I know, I like to think that I know the basics and I try not to repeat the same mistakes I've done before. I never said that I rediscovered the fire, just the I found something that it's working... on the long run! And I don't think that more than 500k spins (what I showed here and other tests that I've done) are just pure luck. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm playing for real money and it's working up until now!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: ati on Jun 19, 07:31 AM 2020
Good luck!
I notice on your charts that there are very long waiting periods. It's pointless to test only, or mostly against real wheel spins, I assume you would never wait 500 spins at a real wheel to place one or two bets. And I know that there is no difference between a fair RNG and an unbiased wheel.

Here's a tip to speed up the game. You can play basically unlimited independent games at the same time with one random number generator. So you'd have more betting opportunities. E.g. normally you have numbers 0 to 36, but you could also pair double streets in two spins, like 1-1, 1-4, 5-3, etc. there are 36 possible outcomes, and those have the exact same randomness as the regular roulette numbers. I'm sure you can figure out how to place the bets. The funny thing is that after the first double street, you already know if your created outcome is going to be low or high number.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 19, 09:03 AM 2020
Quote from: ati on Jun 19, 07:31 AM 2020
Good luck!
I notice on your charts that there are very long waiting periods. It's pointless to test only, or mostly against real wheel spins, I assume you would never wait 500 spins at a real wheel to place one or two bets. And I know that there is no difference between a fair RNG and an unbiased wheel.

Here's a tip to speed up the game. You can play basically unlimited independent games at the same time with one random number generator. So you'd have more betting opportunities. E.g. normally you have numbers 0 to 36, but you could also pair double streets in two spins, like 1-1, 1-4, 5-3, etc. there are 36 possible outcomes, and those have the exact same randomness as the regular roulette numbers. I'm sure you can figure out how to place the bets. The funny thing is that after the first double street, you already know if your created outcome is going to be low or high number.

Thanks!

You are right, there are times when you have to wait longer until you place a bet. But... with a bot that can be solved. You don't have to stay forever in front of the PC. Yes, it might be an issue when you go to a real casino.

Anyway, I am playing online only so it's ok for me. I don't mind waiting as long as I am winning. Thanks for the tip  though! :)
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: daddyPIG on Jun 19, 12:13 PM 2020
Steefan - Will post my results soon! not a 48k spins on rx-code but in real game!

don't think you can use a bot with a long waiting playing online!? they'll kick you off for inactivity!

unless you can find a casino that never kicks you out without doing anything for a long period of time?

Anyway... why dont you show us your real game results and not just graphics?
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 19, 12:56 PM 2020
Quote from: daddyPIG on Jun 19, 12:13 PM 2020
Steefan - Will post my results soon! not a 48k spins on rx-code but in real game!

don't think you can use a bot with a long waiting playing online!? they'll kick you off for inactivity!

unless you can find a casino that never kicks you out without doing anything for a long period of time?

Anyway... why dont you show us your real game results and not just graphics?

1. A bot can be programmed to place a non-lose bet from time to time (e.g. 1 unit on red, 1 unit on black) and this shows activity on the table
2. I will not show any of my real playing activity! This will disclose my system.
3. There will always be something more that you will need in order to prove something. You'll never be satisfied.
4. You still haven't shown any better results.... until then... forget it.
5. Why are you interested in seeing more proofs?
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: daddyPIG on Jun 19, 03:13 PM 2020
typical... cant prove anything.. forget it.

don't need proof of videos.. don't need that.

and keep it to yourself.. good luck on making a fortune...


Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 19, 06:05 PM 2020
Quote from: daddyPIG on Jun 19, 03:13 PM 2020
typical... cant prove anything.. forget it.

don't need proof of videos.. don't need that.

and keep it to yourself.. good luck on making a fortune...

Up until now, RX graphs were mandatory! Now that they are showed, account status is required! What next? My bank account and the pin code of my credit card? Really??

It's easy to talk and throw stones. I showed stats of my system. Aprox 400k spins. I asked for more spin files to prove that it's working!

Anyway, it's crystal clear to me: if it's free, it's bs. If it's not free, you need proofs. You get proofs, you ask for more proofs. You get more proofs, you ask for something more. If you don't get it, we're back to square 1 - it's bs.
And all this w/o showing something better or even close to that!

Whatever...
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 19, 09:24 PM 2020
It's not hard for a system to win in 10k,100k or even 1m spins. Mostly it can be done by repeating tests.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 19, 11:05 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 19, 06:05 PM 2020Up until now, RX graphs were mandatory! Now that they are showed, account status is required! What next? My bank account and the pin code of my credit card? Really??

The point is anyone can show a winning chart or bankroll trend. They aren't showing the bigger like mpr is designed to do. That's why the talkers cant beat mpr.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 20, 01:13 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 11:05 PM 2020
The point is anyone can show a winning chart or bankroll trend. They aren't showing the bigger like mpr is designed to do. That's why the talkers cant beat mpr.

One of my charts had 300k spins. Not 100 or 500.
Today I will run a file with 500k spins and post it here.

Steve, not even you, in your challenge, said anything about MPR! Now, suddenly, MPR is the mother of all tests? What's the point of RX then?

Ok, let's say I will play on MPR! What will be next?
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 20, 01:52 AM 2020
Nope. read back what I've said in many posts.

And don't test repeatedly with the same spins, or source. Or you can get unrealistic results.

In any event, if you can win, just do it.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 20, 01:56 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 01:52 AM 2020

And don't test repeatedly with the same spins, or source. Or you can get unrealistic results.


I'm testing with different sets of spins from different sources. Otherwise, I would be lying myself. It's in my interest too to have a winning system.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: pepper on Jun 20, 09:28 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 20, 01:13 AM 2020MPR
I would really like if mpr would at least indicate how many numbers players are betting on and if they're using progression. This would be really useful, because, e.g., someone flat betting and winning over thousands of spins proves a lot more than someone using progression.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: pepper on Jun 20, 09:37 AM 2020
Perhaps the win rate is a good measure to counter what I just said
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 04:43 AM 2020
Here are updated test! I guess this concludes everything. It's working without any doubts!

To answer some of your possible questions:

1. Max bet - a lot lower than the max table limit required by Steve in his challenge.
2. No, it doesn't bet every spin, there is a trigger involved and it's not a very rare event!
3. There is a progression involved and it's very reasonable.
4. I will not share it for free.


Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 26, 04:54 AM 2020
1. The horizontal flat movement in the charts is a dead giveaway the events are rare enough to significantly reduce the "playable" spins. The 100,000's of spins "looks" impressive though. That's why if you continue one chart for much longer, the system loses.

2. The massive drawdowns and recoveries mean you're risking your house, just to recover losses.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 04:43 AM 2020I will not share it for free.

Is it $9.95? Maybe just go win money with it.

If I had just discovered the HG, my FIRST thought would not be publishing it here, and selling it. It would be USING it.

I dont mean to be cynical, just realistic.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 26, 04:58 AM 2020
I'll release a new video early next week. The one after it should be shortly after, and both will address these kind of charts.

And I'm not wrong. It is easy to create these kind of charts.

If you publish the full statistics, and RX settings, I'll highlight the holes.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 05:02 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 04:54 AM 2020
1. The horizontal flat movement in the charts is a dead giveaway the events are rare enough to significantly reduce the "playable" spins. The 100,000's of spins "looks" impressive though. That's why if you continue one chart for much longer, the system loses.

2. The massive drawdowns and recoveries mean you're risking your house, just to recover losses.

Is it $9.95? Maybe just go win money with it.

I dont mean to be cynical, just realistic.

1. I said that there is a trigger involved, I didn't lie about that.
2. The drawdrowns are not so massive! They are according to the amount you play! There is risk involved, no matter what system you play! In the end, it's a winner. Nobody will play 2,5,10,100 million spins ever!
3. You sound a bit cynical. Or... if I may say... a bit subjective. You have your own system (nothing to blame here) and in some way it's normal to be subjective.
4. A few times more than $9.95!  8)

To conclude... show me the perfect system without any loss and bets every spin and I will retract everything I said!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 05:04 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 04:58 AM 2020And I'm not wrong. It is easy to create these kind of charts.

Now you made me curious! How? Playing fair, I mean!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 26, 05:07 AM 2020
I'll show some ways in the next video.

One way is skip a shitload of spins, then the chart looks like you survived or even won over the long-term.

Another is use a massive progression, like your full stats would show.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 26, 05:15 AM 2020
Addressing every detail would waste more time. Maybe just go win money. You have the hg.

And im not loyal to any method. Being loyal or subjective is way off. There's simply what does and doesn't work.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 05:25 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 05:07 AM 2020
I'll show some ways in the next video.

One way is skip a shitload of spins, then the chart looks like you survived or even won over the long-term.

Another is use a massive progression, like your full stats would show.

There are no spins skipped and there is neither a massive progression! I'm not an idiot! If the system is a winner is a winner. If not... that's it! I'll look further!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 26, 05:59 AM 2020
The charts show otherwise. But no need to argue. Just go make a fortune.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 06:04 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 05:59 AM 2020
The charts show otherwise. But no need to argue.

Depends on what you want to see. Exactly, no need to argue!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steve on Jun 26, 06:07 AM 2020
Id start with the more detailed stats. But the chart shows enough anyway, to know the results aren't rare or unusual.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 06:33 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 06:07 AM 2020
Id start with the more detailed stats. But the chart shows enough anyway, to know the results aren't rare or unusual.

I repeat, depends on what you want to see! Take any chart.

For example... let's take the chart with the lowest value. In my opinion, with 600USD (at 0.1USD/unit) you will make around 4200USD. Program a bot to do the job for you and just wait for the money to come! Simple as that!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Moxy on Jun 26, 01:12 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 06:33 AM 2020
I repeat, depends on what you want to see! Take any chart.

For example... let's take the chart with the lowest value. In my opinion, with 600USD (at 0.1USD/unit) you will make around 4200USD. Program a bot to do the job for you and just wait for the money to come! Simple as that!

The people that need to code their system and mass distribute or sell it for 500 dollars flat always has red flags.

Very few are unavoidable circumstances like old age or they're trapped on an island and can't get to a casino.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 01:43 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 01:12 PM 2020
The people that need to code their system and mass distribute or sell it for 500 dollars flat always has red flags.

Very few are unavoidable circumstances like old age or they're trapped on an island and can't get to a casino.

....says a true knower of the life waves!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Moxy on Jun 26, 01:58 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 01:43 PM 2020
....says a true knower of the life waves!

Ok Sparky.  What are you still doing here then?
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 02:03 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 01:58 PM 2020
Ok Sparky.  What are you still doing here then?

Money! You?
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Moxy on Jun 26, 02:07 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 02:03 PM 2020
Money! You?

It's the pandemic.  I'm bored asf. 

Again, what money?  No one here has money.  At least enough.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 02:08 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 02:07 PM 2020
It's the pandemic.  I'm bored asf. 

Again, what money?  No one here has money.  At least enough.

Really? You know the bank status of everyone here???? Wow! You're good!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Moxy on Jun 26, 02:10 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 02:08 PM 2020
Really? You know the bank status of everyone here???? Wow! You're good!  :twisted:

My bad.  Were all a bunch of billionaires acting like a bunch of noobs for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 02:25 PM 2020
If you're bored, you really have to get other people bored too?

Get a life!
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Moxy on Jun 26, 02:34 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 02:25 PM 2020
If you're bored, you really have to get other people bored too?

Get a life!

There are only a few people that actually plays with actual money.  Everyone else are noobs getting their kicks on here.  What's not to like?
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: huskerdu on Jun 26, 04:02 PM 2020
I think that most of forum members have lost a lot of money playing roulette, and they never give up trying and hoping that someday they will find a way to get their money back. That's the reason that they are still here in this forum. Personally I belong to this kind of members. I have lost thousands playing almost every system, method the last 13 years. But I don't give up, I still hope. I still research. I read regularly the posts here waiting for something new, innovating, something triggering. If I have a.new idea, I share it with the other members by making a post.  After all, this is the essence of this forum.  And  I think most of us are in the same situation. There are also a few others that they are losers but they don't admit it. They are trying to prove to themselves and to the other members that they are successful players. No, they aren't. They are just arrogant.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Azim on Jun 26, 04:13 PM 2020
huskerdu,

You are 100% correct on this.

However, having said that, there are plenty of systems on this forum that can win you money. The key is for people to learn and avoid the basic mistakes that get repeated every single time.

People don't want to put in the time to learn a few fundamentals about numbers.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 26, 04:36 PM 2020
I agree with both of you.

Also I had to learn the hard way a lot of things about roulette. But, every kick in the ass is a step forward. That if you are not trully a dumbass and keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: pepper on Jun 26, 09:33 PM 2020
I thought people on this forum didn't gamble. I always figured they were just looking for a way to win before placing any bets. Just don't spend any money until you thoroughly test a method. Mathematically figure out how many spins you would have to beat to achieve an edge beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe it is hard for some people to not gamble, though.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: winforus on Jun 27, 09:52 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 09:33 PM 2020
I thought people on this forum didn't gamble. I always figured they were just looking for a way to win before placing any bets. Just don't spend any money until you thoroughly test a method. Mathematically figure out how many spins you would have to beat to achieve an edge beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe it is hard for some people to not gamble, though.

I agree with you, this always seemed like common sense to me. Apparently not, as a lot of people think that the math stuff is BS and they are convinced that they can win with progression, while making -EV bets.
Title: Re: Tested and surviving!
Post by: RouletteKnight on Jul 01, 01:30 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 27, 09:52 AM 2020
I agree with you, this always seemed like common sense to me. Apparently not, as a lot of people think that the math stuff is BS and they are convinced that they can win with progression, while making -EV bets.

You can absolutely win with some modified progression. But then "winning" is very subjective cause there is no definite anything in the universe.