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Trump or Biden, who would you vote and why?

Biden won't be around by November anyway...

Trump is excellent.

I don't want Sleepy Joe's finger on the TV controller button much less the nuclear button!

I want Biden. I like watching liberals run things.  It will bring the next civil war. Snowflakes are going to get mean and tough and start calling people harsh names. But people are going to move up to clever ways to wipe out VIP liberals and not get caught. Yes, abolish the cops. That way open season on the wacky left will no longer be a no no. Give them what they want and we can get rid of them. Start with the left wing media mob. A vote for Biden is a vote for eventual rule of law. Become an assassin now. Start your training now. You will need it. Uncle Fuking Sam needs you.

Both have signs of dementia (Biden has more).

I wouldn’t vote for either, thank god I don’t live in that country.

Quote from: winforus on Jun 26, 10:02 AM 2020
Both have signs of dementia (Biden has more).

I wouldn’t vote for either, thank god I don’t live in that country.

Agree with that!  :xd: :xd:

Quote from: winforus on Jun 26, 10:02 AM 2020Both have signs of dementia (Biden has more).

Name one sign of dementia that Trump has. I always watch him, and there's nothing. Fake news points out complete bs like him walking down a ramp slowly, because it was slippery and had no hand rail. Another bs story shows him using two hands to hold his cup while drinking water; he does this to not spill it on his tie. He explained all this at his rally, and it seems like logical, common sense stuff.

He also demonstrated at the rally that he can easily drink water with one hand.

I learned all these polls in the news media are likely rigged. They all show Biden ahead, like they showed Hillary ahead in 2016. From what I heard, they only poll people who aren't even voting. They only poll 33-23% republicans. They ask who the person will vote for after a series of racial questions, such as questions that involve George Floyd.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 02:45 PM 2020
Name one sign of dementia that Trump has. I always watch him, and there's nothing. Fake news points out complete bs like him walking down the ramp and him using two cups to hold his water. He explains himself.

You're cult of personality worship is showing.  They are both cognitively compromised controlled opposition and perfect for corporate cronymism and the status quo to go on untethered. 

George Soros mandated sjw liberals are a distraction.  But you knew that.  You really don't give a shite about the middle class at all do you.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 04:00 AM 2020Trump or Biden, who would you vote and why?

Trump, because he is against abortion. This is my top reason; I want to be a voice for the unborn, the most vulnerable, the people you are supposed to protect.

Other reasons may include that the media is so shady and dishonest towards him, making up tons of lies and seemingly purposefully taking him out of context on everything he says. His border wall idea makes sense and is working in that it is effectively keeping out dangerous criminals. He broke historical records across the board concerning the economy.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 02:56 PM 2020
Trump, because he is against abortion. This is my top reason; I want to be a voice for the unborn, the most vulnerable, the people you are supposed to protect.

Other reasons may include that the media is so shady and dishonest towards him, making up tons of lies and seemingly purposefully taking him out of context on everything he says. His border wall idea makes sense and is working in that it is effectively keeping out dangerous criminals. He broke historical records across the board concerning the economy.

There has on record been less illegal crossing then there has ever been in decades.   Your wall will bankrupt America.   Those unborn lives saved  with no future universal healthcare in tow will suffer regardless.  More and more automation will displace humans and UBI will be necessary.  Does the GOP have any though on that?

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 02:54 PM 2020You really don't give a shite about the middle class at all do you

My church tought me to care about the most vulnerable, the unborn. Somehow, perhaps by divine intervention, everything else aligns with the republicans helping and caring about everything else, like the middle class. Does the middle class not benefit off a better economy due to Trump? Does the middle class not benefit off of better education? Does the middle class not benefit off of having less violent criminals in the country? Does the middle and lower class not benefit off of opportunity zones?

You go straight for the grand conspiracy theories before going after facts that are right there. The conspiracies may be real, but it doesn't matter, because you still want to choose the candidate that's going to make your life better, right?

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 03:06 PM 2020Your wall will bankrupt America

The wall may just pay for itself

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 03:10 PM 2020
My church tought me to care about the most vulnerable, the unborn. Somehow, perhaps by divine intervention, everything else aligns with the republicans helping and caring about everything else, like the middle class. Does the middle class not benefit off a better economy due to Trump? Does the middle class not benefit off of better education? Does the middle class not benefit off of having less violent criminals in the country? Does the middle and lower class not benefit off of opportunity zones?

You go straight for the grand conspiracy theories before going after facts that are right there. The conspiracies may be real, but it doesn't matter, because you still want to choose the candidate that's going to make your life better, right?

The elephant in the room.  Exhorbitant military spending equal to the next top ten countries military.  Tax cuts for the rich.  Tax increase for the middle class.  No Universal Healthcare.  As I said, ypu really don't cate about the middle class if you're GOP.

Opposite of what every other progressive nation is doing.

I care about the third trimester unborn but conception does not qualify.  There are tons of poor children in developing countries that Christians can worry about instead of the technicalities of what makes a baby.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 03:20 PM 2020Tax cuts for the rich.  Tax increase for the middle class.  No Universal Healthcare.

Are these facts or what? I am serious. It seems every republican/democrat claims they cut/increased taxes for the rich/middle class/poor. You know; they take the better looking side. It seems every republican says they slashed taxes for the middle class and poor, while every democrat says the exact same thing. Trump says he cut taxes and that Biden wants to increase them. I guess I will look this up.

Who wants universal healthcare? Do you know how long people in Canada have to wait to see a doctor because of universal healthcare? I have seen plenty of reasons to abandon this socialistic idea.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 03:25 PM 2020
Are these facts or what? I am serious. Every republican/democrat claims they cut/increased taxes for the rich/middle class/poor. I guess I will look this up.

Who wants universal healthcare? Do you know how long people in Canada have to wait to see a doctor because of universal healthcare? I have seen plenty of reasons to abandon this socialistic idea.

Wow. GOP Jesus is really a thing. 

You forgo the homeless, the minimum wage worker, the war asylum seeker, the abused runaway teens, the appalachian unemployed coal minors, the produce pickers that put food on your table, etc., when you don't have U.H.  Waiting periods be damned, isn't it the Christian thing to lobby for?

WWJD?

Biden nor Trump want UH.
If you want to lobby for this, go ahead, no one's stopping you.
Maybe it is a good idea, maybe not. From what I remember seeing and hearing, it isn't. I would have to look again.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 03:25 PM 2020
Are these facts or what? I am serious. It seems every republican/democrat claims they cut/increased taxes for the rich/middle class/poor.

Historically, yes.  If I'm wrong I will humbly apologize. 

I'm not sure why Christians aren't aware of the fact that Jesus was a socialist-leaning altruist.  As an atheist, I have no stake in religion.  Just stating my interpretation.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 03:42 PM 2020I'm not sure why Christians aren't aware of the fact that Jesus was a socialist-leaning altruist.  As an atheist, even I know that.

I'm 100% familiar of the socialistic aspects. You're expected to renounce everything and share it. Nobody actually does this.
Do you think Christians have to fully follow or even believe the bible 100%? Does anybody of any organization adhere to everything 100%? Of coarse not. I know I can't even come close to what the bible expects of you, but what ever I am a human being, why would God create something that can't even follow his words?

I have an important question though: As an atheist, do you believe in spirts?

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 03:47 PM 2020
I'm 100% familiar of the socialistic aspects. You're expected to renounce everything and share it. Nobody actually does this.
Do you think Christians have to fully follow or even believe the bible 100%? Does anybody of any organization adhere to everything 100%? Of coarse not. I know I can't even come close to what the bible expects of you, but what ever I am a human being, why would God create something that can't even follow his words?

I have an important question though. As an atheist, do you believe in spirts?

And that, my friend, is why I don't partake in religion.  I can't hold my self to that high of a standard so atheism is the natural route.  Plus, I don't believe in religion.  GOP christians don't care either way.  They can be racist and still justify their Christianity.

I respect your propensity for valuing human life but you can misguided.  I personally value anti-suffering.  Meaning, what ever hardships, sins, suffering, pain we committed/endured on this plane should not affect our next step in "consciousness" ascension.  So no eternal hell for anybody.  Even Hitler or my worst enemy.  The concept is primal and outdated.

But I'm confident were just flora and fauna and when the lights go out, that's all she wrote.  Not unlike that tree outside or that ant over there.  Quite fascinating if you ask me.

Do u believe astral projection? Would this prove you have a soul? If you have a soul, do u think it would just die with your body?

Do u think remote viewing is different and this is actually just your consciousness traveling outside your body?

I find it hard to believe we just die. I, for one, know there are spirits that can read your every thought and instantly react. They have psychically attacked me for years, and only holy things help, like prayer. This ties in to me being monitored by a powerful group of people. There is 100% agreement with everyone that I am crazy. This proves everyone is ignorant about this topic. Can you imagine?; nearly 100% of people ignorant on a topic (of coarse, the powerful people monitoring me know, but that's about it). I suppose these "powerful people" are able to remain so powerful, because people don't know about it. Can you imagine having no privacy to even use the f*cking bathroom in your own house?

The powerful group of people could be the government, cia, or some secret military group?

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 04:15 PM 2020
Do u believe astral projection? Would this prove you have a soul? If you have a soul, do u think it would just die with your body?

Do u think remote viewing is different and this is actually just your consciousness traveling outside your body?

I find it hard to believe we just die. I, for one, know there are spirits that can read your every thought and instantly react. They have psychically attacked me for years, and only holy things help, like prayer. This ties in to me being monitored by a powerful group of people. There is 100% agreement with everyone that I am crazy. This proves everyone is ignorant about this topic. Can you imagine?; nearly 100% of people ignorant on a topic (of coarse, the powerful people monitoring me know, but that's about it). I suppose these "powerful people" are able to remain so powerful, because people don't know about it. Can you imagine having no privacy to even use the f*cking bathroom in your own house?

Two things.  You're schizophrenic paranoid delusional or its true.

Either way.  You need help.  Maybe a psychiatrist first then a shaman later perhaps. 

Catholic priests still practice in exorcism if I recall so there's that.  Whatever "spiritual" help you need.

Go on on Coasttocoast AM with George Noory.  Spread awareness.  He is pretty open to those things.  He'll definitely help you.

I have seen manifestations of foreign materials. This is enough proof. I have never kept such concret proof, because I become really fearful and throw it away.

I can't seek help from ordinary ways, like physicians, or at least I would rather not go this route, because it involves the use of drugs, like antipsychotics, which have dire side effects. They shrik the brain, cause permanent movement disorders, etc. I get my help from good entities, like God and angels and saints. I know they are real because I have had experiences, such as demonic entities completely, intelligently "tormenting" or antagonizing me.

Possibly, I could seek some kind of therapy, like cbt, but they want you to take drugs, too. Also, it is frustrating speaking to most people, because they just won't accept the fact of my paranormal experiences, e.g., they say that reading the bible just helps calm my mind and that's why it helps; in reality, it it helping because of another or other reasons entirely. I don't know for sure why it helps. Perhaps, God's word drives them away, because they are unholy. Perhaps there are certain holy energies circulating and/or are being activated, thus warding off the evil entities.

I used to be deeply into Buddhism and Christianity. Now, I am a Christian to the best of my abilities. Both religions warded off the entities, e.g., Buddhist suttras and fasting helped a great deal, and reading the Christian Bible helps.

   Random energies couldn't possibly antagonize me like the evil entities. The evil entities clearly read my every thought and react to it. For example, exercise helps me, so as soon as it pops up in my head to exercise, they ramp up the psychic attacks in an attempt to distract me from doing so. There are many other things they do like this.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 04:19 PM 2020Catholic priests still practice in exorcism if I recall so there's that.  Whatever "spiritual" help you need.

Go on on Coasttocoast AM with George Noory.  Spread awareness.  He is pretty open to those things.  He'll definitely help you.

Thanks. I'll look them up.

I've learned there is no magical cure; I just have to fight by doing things like praying and exercising. The "magical cures", like exorcism are only temporary. For about a whole day, it completely silences the spirits/aliens/whatever they are, then they come back.

When I compare my experiences to ghost hauntings on tv, it leads me to believe tv is lying, because my severe experiences are nothing like theirs. Of coarse, I have an open mind, so perhaps they are just experiencing something different. I haven't seen anything mainstream that's similar to my experiences. Bill Bean's experiences seemed similar in some aspects, but completely different in others.

I'm glad we both agree on psychotropic medications which is big pharma's biggest sham so as even as an atheist even I would turn to spiritual outlets (if at least for positive reinforcement) over prescription drugs.

I'm not arrogant enough to be completely confident of any stance, i.e. atheism or religion, so go see a priest or a shaman.  You have nothing to lose.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 04:37 PM 2020I'm glad we both agree on psychotropic medications which is big pharma's biggest sham

You're right, they would sell meth if they could. Oh wait, they do, it's called desoxyn.

DESOXYN (methamphetamine hydrochloride tablets, USP)

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 04:35 PM 2020
Thanks. I'll look them up.

I've learned there is no magical cure; I just have to fight by doing things like praying and exercising. The "magical cures", like exorcism are only temporary. For about a whole day, it completely silences the spirits/aliens/whatever they are, then they come back.

When I compare my experiences to ghost hauntings on tv, it leads me to believe tv is lying, because my severe experiences are nothing like theirs. Of coarse, I have an open mind, so perhaps they are just experiencing something different. I haven't seen anything mainstream that's similar to my experiences. Bill Bean's experiences seemed similar in some aspects, but completely different in others.

I feel like Im getting trolled here but I'll respect you. 

There is no stronger force in Christianity than the Holy Trinity so go for broke.  Call upon "God" himself.  Have you?  You're running out of recourse. 

I have personally experienced "paranormal", but not anything close to what you described. So there is no way for me to tell, if this is something like schizophrenia, or it's all as you are describing.

Have you tried meditation? ( I mean proper meditation). Look also into the wim-hof method (can find plenty on youtube) and perhaps give that a try. Also, consider reading some books on non-duality, such as Eckhart Tolle's 'The Power of Now'.

This may help you get grounded. Other than that, this sounds like a very complex issue, and you will need to seek help from non-ordinary people. I also agree with you on big pharma medications - they would make things a lot worse.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 26, 04:35 PM 2020I've learned there is no magical cure; I just have to fight by doing things like praying and exercising. The "magical cures", like exorcism are only temporary. For about a whole day, it completely silences the spirits/aliens/whatever they are, then they come back.

There's a secret to beating these people that monitor you. Learn to ignore them by not caring what they hear when they do remote viewing of you. Make them hear you loud and clear. You don't care what they hear. Just go on and ignore them. Look for the truth in all things. Think about what is true. Make them hear the truth when you think.  Make them listen to every time you make fun of them. They are like a roaring lion. They just want to rattle your cage. Ignore them. Be stronger than they are. That is how you beat them at their own game. Make them listen to what's in your head. Make them get bored. After a while you will get use to dumping your mind garbage on them and ignoring all of it.  That is how schizophrenics move up to high function.

link:s://:.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/joe-biden-masks-mandatory-coronavirus/index.html

Here's one topic that is polarized.  Who do you vote for after reading this!

A vote for Biden is for an empty shell, that does what he's told. And its 100% for new world order. Civil war, famine, the whole lot.

Trump is not a refined person, but he actually cares to make right decisions for the US people. Biden, or more the people controlling him, is literally the complete opposite. And cnn and almost all media have been constantly lying to attack Trump. It's absolutely true.

Pelosi and that whole bunch should be shot for treason. Literally.

If you're voting for Biden, you're truly lost. You dont know what it would mean.

This is probably the most important election in history. But even if trump wins, they'll still try get get rid of him any way possible. Whether that's lying about russia collusion, bullshit impeachment, the list goes on. Trump's opposition are literally treasonous. Most people have no idea.

If America votes biden, they'll get what they deserve. But the whole world will suffer too.

And the whole mask shit is purely a stepping stone, getting us mentally prepared to submit to things like forced vaccinations, vaccination ID to shop etc.

It has nothing to do with health at all.

And these self righteous morons who think the maskless people are the problem have no f*cking idea at all.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 06:49 PM 2020And cnn and almost all media have been constantly lying to attack Trump. It's absolutely true.

Yes, they take it to the extreme, to the point that's it's sickening.

80% of the media is controlled by liberals. Shouldn't this be saying something? Wouldn't this indicate that the most powerful people in the world (wealth wise) are using liberals as their puppets?

It goes much deeper than media. Its an entire system. Its actually beyond treason, or even any one nation.

 :twisted:

Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 09:58 PM 2020
It goes much deeper than media. Its an entire system. Its actually beyond treason, or even any one nation.

Hold the presses Steve.  Get your message to America before we make a grave mistake come November.  Trump needs to win.  Trump.  Needs.  To.  Win.

Simple as that.  Biden is a stuttering tool who can't keep his wandering hands to himself.  He's a dirty old man in essence.  But Trump? He really cares in the depths of his heart.  We just know it.  Why is the world so blind to see that?

He is the only thing between NWO and sanity.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jun 26, 06:17 PM 2020

link:s://:.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/joe-biden-masks-mandatory-coronavirus/index.html

Here's one topic that is polarized.  Who do you vote for after reading this!

you are living in Canada and I guess you are not American
So why are you speaking as you would be an American with deep knowledge of the political system there ?

Ozzi, even an idiot with good intentions is better than a group of globalist mass murderers committing blatant treason.

Yes, thats what they literally are.

How about vote for neither Trump or Biden.

Ron Paul would be much better.

Yes he'd be excellent.

And seriously, anyone who votes for Biden is dumb as shit. You've really got no idea.

Defund the police? What will replace them? Martial law?

Black lives matter? They couldn't care less about any lives. The list goes on.

Wake up. They are bent on destroying the world, so they can rebuild it to have total control. If they need to kill billions, they will.

Literally. No exaggeration.

And if they get their way, many people who later see will ask why didn't anyone tell them. You are getting the ultimate teabag. Wake up. This is serious.

Fox news appears to be the only major media company telling the truth. There are smaller companies, but they're competing against giants like Google and Facebook.

Even every major media company in Australia is heavily against trump and lying their asses off.

What's happening is beyond epic proportions. Far bigger than hitler, ww2 or anything we've seen before. These people brought hitler to power. Literally. He was an unwitting tool.

If you want to vote for banks, destruction of society, and your slavery, vote Biden.

If you think im exaggerating, holy shit you've got lots to learn. Im actually sugarcoating it.

Steve

It’s better you focus on your roulette computers than making a campaign here on forum.

Are you you selling that much so you have plenty of spare time to make such posts ?

Roulettebeater (false advertising), you're stupid. You just dont know it yet. All in time.

Vote Biden. :thumbsup:

You stupid

This forum is for roulette and not for politics.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 27, 03:49 AM 2020
you are living in Canada and I guess you are not American
So why are you speaking as you would be an American with deep knowledge of the political system there ?

USA is right across the border and they're big.  Economically, when they sneeze we get pneumonia.
Also, the same puppet masters are operating in Canada. So whatever happens down there concerns us too.  Actually it's the same masters in any country.  If the battle/show takes place in USA, that is where to look.

Biden is in deep trouble because of what he did in Ukraine.  He won't make it to the elections.  Michelle might replace him.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 27, 08:37 AM 2020
You stupid

This forum is for roulette and not for politics.

You're too slow to understand its not politics.

Vote Biden  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Steve on Jun 27, 09:03 AM 2020
You're too slow to understand its not politics.

Vote Biden  :thumbsup:

Not politics ? What then ... Whataboutism?
Right ?

In the attachment , there are the wars during  USA president's services of the last 40 years .
Those are wars that  USA caused or offensively  involved in.
Trump was the first that caused no war!!
To whoever cares about peace....
I think,  even if Trump is insane, he doesn't belong to the globalization  system. That's why he is under attack by the  intertwined media system from the early days of his service .

Quote from: Steve on Jun 27, 04:26 AM 2020
Ozzi, even an idiot with good intentions is better than a group of globalist mass murderers committing blatant treason.

Although I agree with you on a lot of points, what makes you so convinced that Trump has good intentions and that he cares?

To anyone who has a solid understanding of human psychology, it is obvious that he is a narcissist, who only cares about his image. He is a classic example of a grandiose narcissist. Although the media coverage has been unfair and biased against him, he has also been caught in many lies and has dug his own grave to a certain degree. He is also corrupt, just like many other politicians.

Are you familiar with spiral dynamics? You probably are, and imo, he would be somewhere along stage red - with a mix of orange, and pretending to appeal to stage blue (a lot of his voters in USA)

link:s://erickson.edu/sites/default/files/Spiral-Dynamics-Tiers-01_1.png

Imo, it is not so white and black. Having said that - he is the lesser of the two evils

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 27, 08:37 AM 2020You stupid

This forum is for roulette and not for politics.

This is like when Bernie Sanders spoke negatively against Trump, saying, "doesn't Trump have better things to worry about than the democratic elections." It's stupid. You're not supposed to put everything else off to the side and hyperfocus on one thing. Everyone has to be well rounded and spend time on a multitude of things.

Also, if this is so big, it is important to spread the message and talk about it.

You're telling the owner of this forum what the forum is for. Hahaha.
It's his forum. He can talk about anything he wants and lets anyone else do the same. If you don't like it, go create your own forum.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 27, 05:44 AM 2020Defund the police? What will replace them? Martial law?

To be fair, Biden does say that he is against defunding the police. Of coarse, the far left might try to change this or he might be lying. Obviously, politicians blatantly lie, like when Obama was running, he said he was going to pull the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 27, 08:04 AM 2020
Roulettebeater (false advertising), you're stupid. You just dont know it yet. All in time.

Vote Biden. :thumbsup:

You put too much stock on this forum.  The fate of the planet is at stake.  Use your influence to do something.  Wtf are we supposed to do on here?  Nod our heads.  Your conviction of claiming the enormity of the situation does not match your effort. 

No one knows wtf you know and it will stay that way except for in this forum.
Or you care more about being right then the consequence itself?  Like, it's just a game, if you will.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 27, 12:53 PM 2020You put too much stock on this forum.  The fate of the planet is at stake.  Use your influence to do something.  Wtf are we supposed to do on here?  Nod our heads.  Your conviction of claiming the enormity of the situation does not match your effort.

No one knows wtf you know and it will stay that way except for in this forum.
Or you care more about being right then the consequence itself?  Like, it's just a game, if you will.

Nothing against Steve, but I don't think his influence is all that great. What can he do that you can't? It's easy to say this person should do this and that, but what about yourself?

I don't know if my reply is valid, because it actually depends on how you interpret what you're saying Moxy.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 27, 04:15 PM 2020
Nothing against Steve, but I don't think his influence is all that great. What can he do that you can't? It's easy to say this person should do this and that, but what about yourself?

I don't know if my reply is valid, because it actually depends on how you interpret what you're saying Moxy.

I put stock in what Steve says.  But I also expect people who make grand statements about our lives being altered to that extent to make some waves. 

Like in the movie "Knowing" where Nicholas Cage took it upon himself to warn of impending catastrophes he predicted from a cryptographic sheet of paper only to fail time and again but at least he tried.

Just had this idea: create a website and then buy some ads to get traffic to that website.  He's got enough in the think tank to fill a page I presume what with his Coronavirus threaf posts.

Wow you guus watch a lot of cnn, and dont do proper research. Thats why you really don't know.

Nobody can influence sleeping people.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 27, 05:10 PM 2020
Wow you guus watch a lot of cnn, and dont do proper research. Thats why you really don't know.

Nobody can influence sleeping people.

Well that includes the millions of other Americans I guess cause Biden seems to have the lead in the prelim polls.

Yes the US people keep electing the same shit, and wonder why the country is messed up. But to be fair, other countries are the same. Because so far only the minority are awake and have brains.

Trump isn't bright, but he's one on the few that isnt part of the group. Another was JFK.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 27, 05:32 PM 2020
Yes the US people keep electing the same shit, and wonder why the country is messed up. But to be fair, other countries are the same. Because so far only the minority are awake and have brains.

Trump isn't bright, but he's one on the few that isnt part of the group. Another was JFK.

I've lost faith in the two party system we have a long time ago.  Most of the liberals and conservatives just toe the line of their party to just fit in with the in-group.  No one really shakes things up or cares.

But, start from the beginning of what you really think of the zeitgeist of American+world politics in a mini-thesis, if you will.

I don't watch or read politics or take sides but I can try to gain some critical thought from a less political (and more human-centered) point of view such as yourself.

Quote from: huskerdu on Jun 27, 10:28 AM 2020
In the attachment , there are the wars during  USA president's services of the last 40 years .
Those are wars that  USA caused or offensively  involved in.
Trump was the first that caused no war!!
To whoever cares about peace....

Ended the endless wars: retreating troops from Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 27, 05:28 PM 2020
Well that includes the millions of other Americans I guess cause Biden seems to have the lead in the prelim polls.

That's the point: ''seems'' to have the lead.  I would not trust poll results that are presented on TV.  Probably biased as hell.

Look at how many people showed up at Trump's rallies.  Even more people now, as it starts over again in Oklahoma.  1 million wanted to book, 5 millions watched live.  Yet medias telling ''oh there were empty seats''.
I bet if Biden tried to start rallies, the faggot wouldn't fill a room, just like it happened in the winter.  Now they're throwing the idea that we should ''rethink'' debates.  Obviously this would equate to a goat confronting a lion.  No chance for Ds.  Would love to see this though.
So meh, cancel debates, meh, push vote-by-mail: the only way not to lose for Ds is to cheat.  In the meantime they lose face every time they're trying something.
I mean, how can you come up with the idea of vote by mail?!? In Canada, and probably in most countries, one has to show ID to go voting, to make sure it's all fair.  Trump now talks of voter ID, Ds say it's a racist idea.  Who wants fairness now?

Trump in a landslide.  My guess: 60+% in November

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jun 27, 07:19 PM 2020
That's the point: ''seems'' to have the lead.  I would not trust poll results that are presented on TV.  Probably biased as hell.

Look at how many people showed up at Trump's rallies.  Even more people now, as it starts over again in Oklahoma.  1 million wanted to book, 5 millions watched live.  Yet medias telling ''oh there were empty seats''.
I bet if Biden tried to start rallies, the faggot wouldn't fill a room, just like it happened in the winter.  Now they're throwing the idea that we should ''rethink'' debates.  Obviously this would equate to a goat confronting a lion.  No chance for Ds.  Would love to see this though.
So meh, cancel debates, meh, push vote-by-mail: the only way not to lose for Ds is to cheat.  In the meantime they lose face every time they're trying something.
I mean, how can you come up with the idea of vote by mail?!? In Canada, and probably in most countries, one has to show ID to go voting, to make sure it's all fair.  Trump now talks of voter ID, Ds say it's a racist idea.  Who wants fairness now?

Trump in a landslide.  My guess: 60+% in November

You can keep toeing the line of your party if you want but I don't really give two hoots about Biden nor Trump and couldn't care less about petty politics.

Steve's take has kind of crept into my wheel house and I'm hoping his impartiality stays on the up and up.

Moxy, maybe you're not understanding me.

I'm not partial to any political party or leader. In partial to reality.

And reality becomes clear with proper research. There are still missing pieces, but enough is abundantly clear.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 27, 08:37 AM 2020This forum is for roulette and not for politics.

USA elections is far beyond politics.
It's an global event that influences the future of the whole world. Economics, war or peace, labour, social effects, civilization....
It's not just politics.
It's a major event with complex and chained   effects to every country.
So I believe that we all should have a focus on this  and worry about it with critical view, wherever we come from.
That's my humble opinion.

Here’s Trump’s re-election playbook, in 25 simple steps:

1) Declare yourself above the law.

2) Use racist fearmongering. Demand “law and order” and describe protesters as “thugs”, “lowlife” and “rioters and looters”. Describe Covid-19 as “kung-flu”. Retweet posts from white supremacists. In your campaign ads, use a symbol associated with Nazis.

3) Appoint an attorney general more loyal to you than to America, and politicize the Department of Justice so it’s lenient on your loyalists and comes down hard on your enemies. Have it lighten the sentence of a crony convicted of lying under oath. Order investigations of industries you dislike.

4) Fire US attorneys who are investigating you.

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5) Fire independent inspectors general who are looking into what you’ve done. Crush any whistleblowers you find.

6) Demean and ignore the intelligence community. Appoint a director of national intelligence more loyal to you than to America. Demand that the head of the FBI pledge loyalty to you.

7) Pack the federal courts with judges and justices more loyal to you than to the constitution.

8) Politicize the Department of Defense so generals will back whatever you order. Refer to them as “my generals”. Have them help clear out protesters. Order the military to surveil protesters. Tell governors you’ll bring in the military to stop protesters.

9) Purge your party of anyone disloyal to you and turn it into a mindless, brainless, spineless cult.

10) Get rid of accumulated experience and expertise in government. Demean career public servants. Hollow out the state department, the Departments of Justice, Health and Human Services, and public health.

11) Reward donors and cronies with bailouts, tax breaks, subsidies, government contracts, regulatory rollbacks and plum jobs. Put their lobbyists in charge of your agencies. Distribute $500bn in pandemic assistance to corporations in secret, without any oversight.

12) Coddle dictators. Don’t criticize their human rights abuses. Refuse to work with the leaders of other democracies. Withdraw from international treaties.

13) Create scapegoats. Demonize migrants and lock up asylum seekers at the border, even if they’re children. Put a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy. Blame Muslims, Mexicans and Chinese.

14) Denigrate and ridicule all critics. Describe opponents as “human scum”. Attack the mainstream media as purveyors of “fake news” and “enemies of the people”.

15) Conjure up conspiracies supposedly led by your predecessor and your opponent in the last election. Without any evidence, accuse your predecessor of “treason”. Fabricate a “deep state” out to get you.

16) Downplay real threats to the nation, such as a rapidly spreading pandemic. Lie about your utter failure to contain it. Muzzle public health experts. Urge people to go back to work even as the pandemic worsens in parts of the country.

17) Encourage armed supporters to “liberate” states from elected officials who disagree with you.

18) Bribe other nations to investigate your electoral opponent and flood social media with lies about him.

19) Use rightwing propaganda machines like Fox News and conspiracy-theory-peddling One America News to inundate the country with your lies. Ensure that the morally bankrupt chief executive of Facebook allows you to spread your lies on the biggest media machine in the world.

20) Suppress the votes of people likely to vote against you. Intimidate voters of color. Encourage Republican governors to purge voter rolls, demand voter ID and close polling places.

21) Seek to prevent mail-in ballots during the pandemic. Claim they will cause voter fraud, without evidence. Threaten to close the US postal service.


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22) Get Vladimir Putin to hack into US election machines, as he did in 2016 but can now do with more experience and deftness. Promise him that in return you’ll further destabilize America as well as Nato. Let him even place a bounty on killing US troops in Afghanistan.

23) If it still looks like you’ll be voted out, try to postpone the election.

24) If you’re voted out of office notwithstanding all this, refuse to leave. Contest the election, claim massive fraud, say it’s a conspiracy, get your cult of a political party to support your lies, get your propaganda machine to repeat them, get your justice department to back you, get your judges and justices to affirm you, get your generals to suppress any subsequent rebellion.

25) Declare victory.

Memo to America: beware Trump’s playbook. Spread the truth. Stay vigilant. Fight for our democracy.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His new book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a columnist for Guardian US

Winkel, did you copy that from cnn's website or something? Which major news company?

You've really got no idea. Lost.

Firstly, you posted twisted garbage.

Secondly, if you really knew what Bidens pals have done and plan, youd be horrified, and see everything you posted even if it were true would be no comparison.

I mean seriously winkel, holy shit.

That list is so full of shit. Are you really that uneducated and gullible?

Where on earth are you getting your information? I think I'll pull it apart for you, to help you when i have time.

You'd need to be a brainwashed fool to believe that list really.

Its not politically correct to call someone stupid. But what if they literally are stupid?

Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 06:27 AM 2020
Winkel, did you copy that from cnn's website or something? Which major news company?

You've really got no idea. Lost.

Firstly, you posted twisted garbage.

Secondly, if you really knew what Bidens pals have done and plan, youd be horrified, and see everything you posted even if it were true would be no comparison.

That´s the problem with trump-fans. they can´t read and grab what is written. The author and the publishing newspaper is written btl

Trump fan? No. Trump is often an arrogant moron.

He's just far better than the other option.

Again you're lost. You really don't understand what's going on.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 07:04 AM 2020
You really don't understand what's going on.

What about you?

I understand pretty damn well whats going on.

You just cut and pasted propaganda without understanding it.

Winkel, I suspect your opinion on Trump is based on the BILD magazine you read in the S-Bahn.

Here’s Trump’s re-election playbook, in 25 simple steps:

"1) Declare yourself above the law." (answer) This is a lie that you actually believe because you are part of the generations that were both brainwashed in government manipulated schools in order to teach you to like being lied to. You don't know what truth is and regard any so called truth as viable.

"2) Use racist fearmongering. Demand “law and order” and describe protesters as “thugs”, “lowlife” and “rioters and looters”. Describe Covid-19 as “kung-flu”. Retweet posts from white supremacists. In your campaign ads, use a symbol associated with Nazis." (answer) You have been brainwashed to believe that this is evidence of  of the imperfections of a failed culture that needs to be canceled. Only this truth exists in your head because you have been created in a deliberate brainwashing social experiment. If you can be lied to from your childhood then you can be told what to believe and believe it.

"3) Appoint an attorney general more loyal to you than to America, and politicize the Department of Justice so it’s lenient on your loyalists and comes down hard on your enemies. Have it lighten the sentence of a crony convicted of lying under oath. Order investigations of industries you dislike."  (answer) Russia Russia Russia. TDS.

"4) Fire US attorneys who are investigating you." (answer) Fire everyone that instigated spying on a dully elected president. Perhaps even incarcerate them for breaking already existing laws. No Less that Biden suggesting the Logan Act from a meeting in the White House. That's more information than you are capable of processing. You know, those weapons of truth that are meant to support the establishment.  You are a tool that can ignore them as you are instructed to do so by your handlers.

"5) Fire independent inspectors general who are looking into what you’ve done. Crush any whistleblowers you find." (answer) You are going to love what is about to blow up your corn balled beliefs, tool. Biden and Obama are already caught up in all this. But being liberals that get a free pass from your handlers.

"6) Demean and ignore the intelligence community. Appoint a director of national intelligence more loyal to you than to America. Demand that the head of the FBI pledge loyalty to you."  (answer) Your warped opinion of reality is funny to watch. You are a perfect mind numbed robot. You try so hard to sell, crap as fact. It's your tell.

"7) Pack the federal courts with judges and justices more loyal to you than to the constitution." (answer) Yes, funny how elections have consequences. Those with the power get to do just what they want. "We won." Remember what Obama said?

"8) Politicize the Department of Defense so generals will back whatever you order. Refer to them as “my generals”. Have them help clear out protesters. Order the military to surveil protesters. Tell governors you’ll bring in the military to stop protesters." (answer) You mean upset the playing table for the war mongering military complex? The tables have turned on the new and improved Democratic Party. Now they are the war hawks. That's just as long as the money goes into the hands of their corporate donors that is.

"9) Purge your party of anyone disloyal to you and turn it into a mindless, brainless, spineless cult." (answer) Funny that coming from a brainwashed idiot.  You can't see yourself because you would see that the pot kettle black implication means you. This is exactly the tactic of the left. You will not be liked specially if "you are not black enough" to vote for Biden.

"10) Get rid of accumulated experience and expertise in government. Demean career public servants. Hollow out the state department, the Departments of Justice, Health and Human Services, and public health." (answer) Drain the swamp.

"11) Reward donors and cronies with bailouts, tax breaks, subsidies, government contracts, regulatory rollbacks and plum jobs. Put their lobbyists in charge of your agencies. Distribute $500bn in pandemic assistance to corporations in secret, without any oversight."  (answer) You mean like the libtards have done for the past 50 years?

"12) Coddle dictators. Don’t criticize their human rights abuses. Refuse to work with the leaders of other democracies. Withdraw from international treaties."  (answer) You mean like bow to them during an "Apology Tour" and send them hundreds of billions of dollars on pallets of cash. Funny how real history needs to be torn down in order to protect your illusions.

"13) Create scapegoats. Demonize migrants and lock up asylum seekers at the border, even if they’re children. Put a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy. Blame Muslims, Mexicans and Chinese." (answer) Don't forget the next civil war to purge the nation of its brainwashed Marxist anarchists. Will you bleed for your beliefs? Real freedom has always come at a cost. You are asking for this fight. I hope you can own up to it.

"14) Denigrate and ridicule all critics. Describe opponents as “human scum”. Attack the mainstream media as purveyors of “fake news” and “enemies of the people”." (answer) Just getting mad enough to end the outbreak. Targeting the VIP of liberal control freaks is nothing less than calling in a bug exterminator. Are you ready to fight yet? It's coming.

"15) Conjure up conspiracies supposedly led by your predecessor and your opponent in the last election. Without any evidence, accuse your predecessor of “treason”. (answer) Fabricate a “deep state” out to get you."  Keep your eyes open. Our pet top law enforcement officer is about to blow up your illusions. BTW, Trump and his election team were really spied on.

"16) Downplay real threats to the nation, such as a rapidly spreading pandemic. Lie about your utter failure to contain it. Muzzle public health experts. Urge people to go back to work even as the pandemic worsens in parts of the country." (answer) Yes, it's unfortunate for black people that really matter isn't it?

"17) Encourage armed supporters to “liberate” states from elected officials who disagree with you." (answer) ANTIFA

"18) Bribe other nations to investigate your electoral opponent and flood social media with lies about him." (answer)  "You will not get these billions in support unless you fire the prosecutor investigating my son." ... and bragging about it on TV.

"19) Use rightwing propaganda machines like Fox News and conspiracy-theory-peddling One America News to inundate the country with your lies. Ensure that the morally bankrupt chief executive of Facebook allows you to spread your lies on the biggest media machine in the world." (answer) Oh, you don't like effective control freaks. Is that it? haha tool.

"20) Suppress the votes of people likely to vote against you. Intimidate voters of color. Encourage Republican governors to purge voter rolls, demand voter ID and close polling places." (answer)  BKB it's the left's usual MO.

"21) Seek to prevent mail-in ballots during the pandemic. Claim they will cause voter fraud, without evidence. Threaten to close the US postal service."  (answer)  Seams like a perfect reason to have a civil war. Are you ready to bleed to death for your baloney? It's coming to that. There is already factual evidence of millions of extra ballets mailed out in liberal run states.

"22) Get Vladimir Putin to hack into US election machines, as he did in 2016 but can now do with more experience and deftness. Promise him that in return you’ll further destabilize America as well as Nato. Let him even place a bounty on killing US troops in Afghanistan."  (answer) Russia Russia Russia -- TDS

23) If it still looks like you’ll be voted out, try to postpone the election." (answer)  Try to force a crisis in the next election by actually committing mail fraud during that election. We all need a reason to burn the cities and loot. Are you ready to get killed? Your Lives Don't Matter.

"24) If you’re voted out of office notwithstanding all this, refuse to leave. Contest the election, claim massive fraud, say it’s a conspiracy, get your cult of a political party to support your lies, get your propaganda machine to repeat them, get your justice department to back you, get your judges and justices to affirm you, get your generals to suppress any subsequent rebellion." (answer)  You mean the 65+ millions of us that actually vote or the silent majority that has had just about enough of you Marxist agitators. Yes, let's have that debate.

"25) Declare victory." (answer) Like the last election that was never accepted? Do you remember Hillary Clinton?

Memo to America: beware Trump’s playbook. Spread the truth. Stay vigilant. Fight for our democracy. (answer)  Die for your Marxist magical fantasies. Recruit the Snowflakes and their safe places.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His new book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a columnist for Guardian US (answer) Robert Reich, who are you kidding. He's just pandering to the new age Democrats. I see that he faked you out. Hahaha.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jun 28, 08:26 AM 2020
Winkel, I suspect your opinion on Trump is based on the BILD magazine you read in the S-Bahn.

I don´t even touch this piece of used toilet-paper.

Very well!

What is your opinion based on?  Facts or reporters repeating other reporters?

Our state-sponsored tv/radio channels never challenged the narrative coming out of USA, probably same money feeding both.

Which media challenged Russiagate? Or 9/11 narrative?  If they don't, they're biased.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jun 28, 11:48 AM 2020
Very well!

What is your opinion based on? 

Watch him, listen what he is talking, watch his U-turns,

no reliable sense says drink chlor.....
no relible sense follows grapewines
no reliable politician acts like him.
no relible politician moves his troops near to the russian border
no politician criticises Kim and then calls him a friend.

His behaviour is strange, very stange. it is not sane.

Quote from: winkel on Jun 28, 05:29 PM 2020Watch him, listen what he is talking, watch his U-turns,

no reliable sense says drink chlor.....
no relible sense follows grapewines
no reliable politician acts like him.
no relible politician moves his troops near to the russian border
no politician criticises Kim and then calls him a friend.

His behaviour is strange, very stange. it is not sane.

You are a bigot.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 28, 05:50 PM 2020
You are a bigot.

if that is an argument, I´m fine with it.

Reading through several forums around the world it seems that gambleers are natural right-wingers. hard right wingers.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 07:04 AM 2020
Trump fan? No. Trump is often an arrogant moron.

He's just far better than the other option.

Again you're lost. You really don't understand what's going on.

Ah . Every knowledge is just belongs to you and others eat grass. Just stick with roulette business.

There is no better than other. No such thing.A goat is a goat. Small or big goat all r same. The nominator and selector are also considered  goat.

I think it’s also very important not to turn anything into ideology or a belief system. Which is what we often most see now a days in politics - left wing or right wing.

Being able to see things from different perspectives with minimal bias and not be married to any idea, is also needed to see things more accurately. Also comes with questioning any idea that you hold “true”, unless backed up direst experience.

For this reason, people like Alex Jones for example are a big turn off for me and sites like infowars. They seem to be very ideological and just not very conscious, even though a lot of the stuff that they share definitely contains a lot of truth (but far from full).

I personally knew a guy from US, who 9 years ago was following info wars religiously, was telling me that the dollar was going to crash and that he was stocking up on food, and guns preparing for a war. He was a total nut case, super ideological.

The key is to be able to take the information from different places and see it for what it is - not turning it into ideology/identity.

Some examples:
Trump vocal supporters vs Trump haters, Left wing vs Right wing, Democrat vs Republican, Liberal vs Conservative, Black lives matter vs Racsists , Antifa vs Fascits.

All of them are false ( as ideologies and when taken on as an identity by a human) and only cause more division.

Here is an example of Trump fans vs haters:

link:s://youtu.be/eCHfe-Ij5YM

They are both brainwashed and trapped in the same Illusion.

Trump actually retweeted this video but later he deleted it, which of course the mainstream media is using to attack him, as one of his supporters on video shouted “white power!” This was a very dumb mistake on his part and an example of him digging his own grave.

Quote from: Madi on Jun 28, 06:27 PM 2020Every knowledge is just belongs to you and others eat grass

No Madi. It's a bit like me saying some roulette systems dont work. You can whinge and pout like a child for being told you've made a mistake. You can attack me. But what I've said is the truth.

Some people understand what's going on in the world - enough to know Biden, the people behind them, and what they stand for.

And some people are truly clueless.

All truth will come out eventually. If Biden wins, and their agenda is pushed further, those voters deserve what they get. But people who understood what was going on will suffer too, and they don't deserve that.

US politics is more like a sport for many people in the US. People get fanatical about their political party. I've never liked politics. My support for Trump is only because there's a choice between "not great" (Trump) and "a disaster" (Biden and the people controlling him.

As for the Guardian article, it may very well be a parody. Because it says some truly stupid things. But it also says things that are based on fact, with dumb comments that people have really said.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 08:09 PM 2020
My support for Trump is only because there's a choice between "not great" (Trump) and "a disaster" (Biden and the people controlling him.

Same here, it would have been way better if there was another outsider in place of Trump - a lot more conscious and with more brain cells. The stupid shit that he says and does, unfortunately is a huge turn off for many people and some side with Biden just for that fact alone.

Also have to add, that David Icke is leaps ahead of Alex Jones in terms of consciousness(spiritually speaking) - he mentioned many times during his latest interviews that everything ultimately is one (consciousness is the substance which reality is made of, it’s fundamental) and that the divison and tactics of rule/divide is something that people should be more aware of. While Alex comes off as fanatic and ideological.

Quote from: winforus on Jun 28, 09:09 PM 2020

Also have to add, that David Icke is leaps ahead of Alex Jones in terms of consciousness(spiritually speaking)

They both have their use once you start questioning the spoon-fed answers provided by the narrative.  Alex Jones was ok for a while but then it all rimes the same after some time.  David Icke is much further out (deep) in Woohooland.  Although important to read and learn about what Icke wrote, it has its limitations in the sense that he hardly offers any hope.  '' Here's what's going on, been going on, see how they all cross-fist themselves'' but very little on what to do about it.
  And to be honest I don't think there is anything we can do about it individually.  Collectively, united, there is enough power to overcome most evil, hence the push to divide:  Us and Them.

I think if people want to still be able to vote in the future, they better think twice and go for Trump.  It's no longer R vs D, it's liberty vs slavery, now more than ever.

As for Trump, people might not like the character, but one must concede that he has leadership and charism.  I do not understand how people can get to the conclusion that he's ill or crazy.  I have not seen the signs.

It'S like we've had 10 years worth of news in just a few months....

You people that feign outrage really need to get into the real game. Liberal operatives manipulate their followers by pretending to believe  the lies that they tell. But they know they are lies and have no concern whatsoever that they will be caught telling them. If they get caught they just come once again with another attack, a new lie. They keep striking while the few individuals on the right act concerned that they have caught the left in their hypocrisies. That's all that ever happens too. The Republicans think that they have won something. But all they have done is to have some not well publicized outrage that never gets out the message to the people that never look for the truth anyway. But the lies get out to those that feed off of it.  Look how long they dragged out the Russia Hoax. Now it's doesn't even matter because they have new lies to tell. Just catching them time and time again is actually a losing strategy. They don't care. In fact they love it. There are no consequences for lying. So why not do it. We need a better retribution on the right for this tactic on the left. Catching them and feigning outrage is a sucker's game. We think we are making progress but we are not. You can tell because the brainwashed never get the truth. Better wake them up with something that they do respect. They are scared to death to be disliked, to be alienated from the party collective. Blacks are afraid to be an Uncle Tom. Whites are afraid to be a racist white supremacist. It's all a game of name calling and labeling.  The actual "gotcha" information is unimportant. It's who you destroy with it that counts.  If you are not destroying someone then you are just a tool of the propaganda that they want you to perpetuate.  Don't you get it yet. If a Republican sins against society then they must go but if a Democrat sins against their own legalistic principles then there are no consequences. This outrage over a double standard means nothing to a Democrat operative. They just keep coming and keep attacking.

 :question:

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jun 28, 09:44 PM 2020
They both have their use once you start questioning the spoon-fed answers provided by the narrative.  Alex Jones was ok for a while but then it all rimes the same after some time.  David Icke is much further out (deep) in Woohooland.  Although important to read and learn about what Icke wrote, it has its limitations in the sense that he hardly offers any hope.  '' Here's what's going on, been going on, see how they all cross-fist themselves'' but very little on what to do about it.
  And to be honest I don't think there is anything we can do about it individually.  Collectively, united, there is enough power to overcome most evil, hence the push to divide:  Us and Them.

Agreed, also any information taken from Icke should still be verified and not taken as gospel (just like with anyone else).

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jun 28, 09:44 PM 2020
As for Trump, people might not like the character, but one must concede that he has leadership and charism.  I do not understand how people can get to the conclusion that he's ill or crazy.  I have not seen the signs...

Leadership and charism - don't automatically make you a conscious or an honest person. Like I said, he is a clear example of a grandiose narcissist, and narcissism is a disease, any way you look at it.

Narcissistic personality disorder â€" one of several types of personality disorders â€" is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others.

A solid understanding of basic human psychology, would tell you that he perfectly fits that description. That is one thing that Trump supporters are blind to (due to self bias).

Like I said, if I could vote, I would still vote for him over Biden - but it's really a shame that we are left with this choice.

Quote from: winkel on Jun 28, 06:21 AM 2020describe protesters as %u201Cthugs%u201D, %u201Clowlife%u201D and %u201Crioters and looters%u201D

Trump was calling the arsonists, looters, and rioters thugs. He repeated over and over that he protects the 1st amendment right to protest. There was universal agreement on this like there was universal agreement that George Floyd's death was due to the officer's actions.

Winkel's whole post is full of bs from fake news

Btw, someone who burns down a building is not a protester, etc.

Trump and Biden are tied here, yet no one can point out ANY reason to vote Biden. The only reasons people might/can give are they don't like Trump, and there's no reason for this unless you think he is a narcissist or something.

Quote from: pepper on Jun 29, 12:46 PM 2020
Trump was calling the arsonists, looters, and rioters thugs. He repeated over and over that he protects the 1st amendment right to protest. There was universal agreement on this like there was universal agreement that George Floyd's death was due to the officer's actions.

Winkel's whole post is full of bs from fake news

Btw, someone who burns down a building is not a protester, etc.

Trump and Biden are tied here, yet no one can point out ANY reason to vote Biden. The only reasons people might/can give are they don't like Trump, and there's no reason for this unless you think he is a narcissist or something.

Cult of personality.  It's real.  Otherwise they're wouldn't be a term for it.  What better example of it then here.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 29, 02:56 PM 2020Cult of personality.  It's real.  Otherwise they're wouldn't be a term for it.  What better example of it then here.

What's your point? If you're implying I am somehow worshipping Trump, you are utterly wrong. If you're implying I am into Trump rallies and the way Trump is running things, then yeah, totally; why wouldn't I love a thriving economy, etc, and a chance to celebrate it? Why wouldn't I defend Trump? He is attacked and falsely accused of things 24/7. He does a great job as president of the United States. I suppose you would just love it if I hated our country or someone (Trump) for no good reason.

Your vague statements and lack of facts are vague and baseless.

See my comments below with >>>>>>>>>

Quote from: winkel on Jun 28, 06:21 AM 2020
Here’s Trump’s re-election playbook, in 25 simple steps:

1) Declare yourself above the law.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>You mean like Obama and his illegal spying of Trump's campaign? Or Hillary's illegal use of email servers? Im not aware of any time Trump broke laws. The others commit treason.

2) Use racist fearmongering. Demand “law and order” and describe protesters as “thugs”, “lowlife” and “rioters and looters”.

>>>>>>>>>> There is no racist fear-mongering from Trump. He's talking about the people looting and burning stuff down. And why shouldnt he demand law and order?  If you mean wanting a border like CHAZ erected immediately, yes nations need borders.

Describe Covid-19 as “kung-flu”. Retweet posts from white supremacists.

>>>>>>>> This isnt ok, but its nothing compared to more important issues.

In your campaign ads, use a symbol associated with Nazis.

>>>>>>>>> I've seen a lot more Nazi symbols in campaigns from Democrats.

>>>>>>>>>Why dont you hear much about ANTIFA's banners promoting NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association". Its a fuc*ing pedophile ring. And Pelosi, Biden and that whole group support it.

>>>>>>>>>You dont know how disgusting these people are. They are literally evil and anyone who knows could write a book about their atrocities.

>>>>>>>>>Start with link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-YjGmpO4Q

>>>>>>>>>If you dig deeper, you come to see many of the Elite have a history of pedophilia. These are very sick people. I wont go into too much detail about this, but these are really sick people. At least Trump likes older women.

3) Appoint an attorney general more loyal to you than to America, and politicize the Department of Justice so it’s lenient on your loyalists and comes down hard on your enemies. Have it lighten the sentence of a crony convicted of lying under oath. Order investigations of industries you dislike.

>>>>>> EVERY president hires their own staff. And when Trump say even some of his staff were part of collusion against him and the interests of the USA, he fired them. They had no valid legal against against him which is why it got nowhere. He wanted to drain the swamp, but the swamp is far worse than he thought.

4) Fire US attorneys who are investigating you.

>>>>>> As above

5) Fire independent inspectors general who are looking into what you’ve done. Crush any whistleblowers you find.

>>>>>> As above

6) Demean and ignore the intelligence community. Appoint a director of national intelligence more loyal to you than to America. Demand that the head of the FBI pledge loyalty to you.

>>>>>> As above

7) Pack the federal courts with judges and justices more loyal to you than to the constitution.

>>>>>> As above

8) Politicize the Department of Defense so generals will back whatever you order. Refer to them as “my generals”. Have them help clear out protesters. Order the military to surveil protesters. Tell governors you’ll bring in the military to stop protesters.

>>>>>> As above. And if you mean ANTIFA, they are a clear domestic terrorist organization. They incite and use violence. They are not "peaceful protestors".

9) Purge your party of anyone disloyal to you and turn it into a mindless, brainless, spineless cult.

>>>>>> As above. And law-abiding people are not a spineless cult. If you want to talk cult, look into nthe Bohemian Grove: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=FpKdSvwYsrE

10) Get rid of accumulated experience and expertise in government. Demean career public servants. Hollow out the state department, the Departments of Justice, Health and Human Services, and public health.

>>>>>> As above (draining the swamp)

11) Reward donors and cronies with bailouts, tax breaks, subsidies, government contracts, regulatory rollbacks and plum jobs. Put their lobbyists in charge of your agencies. Distribute $500bn in pandemic assistance to corporations in secret, without any oversight.

>>>>>>>>> No citations? Are you sure he's not referring to Obama and his friends?

12) Coddle dictators.

>>>>>>>>> Actually he bombs them. I didn't agree with that though.

Don’t criticize their human rights abuses.

>>>>>>>>> Of course he's against them. You cant blame everything in the world on Trump.

Refuse to work with the leaders of other democracies.

>>>>>>>>> Like what country? He's been friendly to every nation as far as I'm aware, until they lied their assess of to him. At least Trump doesnt want to invade other countries. Instead he wans to focus on America first.

Withdraw from international treaties.

>>>>>>>> Hell yeah when they monopolize trade and steal from the US people. That's what these trade pacts do. They weaken America.

13) Create scapegoats.

>>>>>>>>> Speaking out of his ass. Is Pelosi a scapegoat, or is she part of a treasonous plot?

Demonize migrants and lock up asylum seekers at the border, even if they’re children.

>>>>>>>>>  He's said before he's not against immigration. He's against ILLEGAL immigration. He is protecting america not from children, but from crininals and terrosists who would otherwise easily cross the border. I suppose you think they should be allowed, right?

Put a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy. Blame Muslims, Mexicans and Chinese.

>>>>>>>>>>  The media lied about him. His policies are appropriate, to prevent illegal immigration of people like terrorists.

14) Denigrate and ridicule all critics. Describe opponents as “human scum”. Attack the mainstream media as purveyors of “fake news” and “enemies of the people”.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all critics, just the ones like CNN who routinely lie their assess off about Trump, and his staff that support him.

15) Conjure up conspiracies supposedly led by your predecessor and your opponent in the last election. Without any evidence, accuse your predecessor of “treason”. Fabricate a “deep state” out to get you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean Obama? What he did was blatantly illegal. He clearly illegally ordered spying on Trump's campaign. There IS evidence, and I hope he doesnt get away with it. But he and his group have a history of getting away with murder.

16) Downplay real threats to the nation, such as a rapidly spreading pandemic.

>>>>>>> No, the real threat is the effect of the lockdowns. The Democrats dont give a shit about lives of old people. I mean wake up. COVID is being used to bring in chaos, leading to the NWO.

Lie about your utter failure to contain it. Muzzle public health experts. Urge people to go back to work even as the pandemic worsens in parts of the country.

>>>>>>>> Trump took various action earlier than he was advised to. And Covid was in the USA well before they originally thought. The reason covid data looks bad for the USA is because he has done more TESTING. And if he did a lockdown, it would destroy the county. Already limited lockdowns have just about done that. The right decision is keep the country open, and lockdown only the vulnerable old people.

17) Encourage armed supporters to “liberate” states from elected officials who disagree with you.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Horseshit. He has never incited a revolution.

18) Bribe other nations to investigate your electoral opponent and flood social media with lies about him.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Horseshit again. If you're talking about Russia collusion, they investigated him and found no evidence. It was a bullshit goose chase. And why not talk about censorship and bias from facebook, twitter, and youtube? How about CNN? Let's forget about all that, right?

19) Use rightwing propaganda machines like Fox News and conspiracy-theory-peddling One America News to inundate the country with your lies. Ensure that the morally bankrupt chief executive of Facebook allows you to spread your lies on the biggest media machine in the world.

>>>>>>>>> Fox news is just about the only major honest news company in the USA. CNN etc are the most blatantly dishonest news company there is.

20) Suppress the votes of people likely to vote against you. Intimidate voters of color. Encourage Republican governors to purge voter rolls, demand voter ID and close polling places.

>>>>>>>>>> Seriously? What a muddled up piece of crap statement. Trump wants secure voting so there is no voter fraud.

21) Seek to prevent mail-in ballots during the pandemic. Claim they will cause voter fraud, without evidence. Threaten to close the US postal service.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail in ballots open the floodgates for voter fraud. If you understand how it works, you see the holes. Again Trump wants the american people properly represented. The reason democrats push things like mail-in ballots is because they know it can help them. It's not the only thing they do.

Covid-19 survivors could lose health insurance if Trump wins bid to repeal Obamacare

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obamacare is a scam that protects big companies, and forces people to pay more. It's mostly about making money for big companies, whi should be taking care of the health of staff.

22) Get Vladimir Putin to hack into US election machines, as he did in 2016 but can now do with more experience and deftness. Promise him that in return you’ll further destabilize America as well as Nato. Let him even place a bounty on killing US troops in Afghanistan.

>>>>>>>>>>> What a load of deceptive bullshit. There have been many investigations, and despite the Democrat's best efforts, and with their people in powerful places, they still got nowhere.

23) If it still looks like you’ll be voted out, try to postpone the election.

>>>>>>>>>>>> He has never indicated he'd do that. He clearly said the OPPOSITE.

24) If you’re voted out of office notwithstanding all this, refuse to leave. Contest the election, claim massive fraud, say it’s a conspiracy, get your cult of a political party to support your lies, get your propaganda machine to repeat them, get your justice department to back you, get your judges and justices to affirm you, get your generals to suppress any subsequent rebellion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again a load of shit. Maybe he's talking about what BUSH did when he lost the election.

25) Declare victory.

Memo to America: beware Trump’s playbook. Spread the truth. Stay vigilant. Fight for our democracy.

>>>>>>> Memo to the world. Do proper research, and see how blatant the lies are from people like "Robert Reich" and CNN.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His new book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a columnist for Guardian US

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding "Professor" in front of a name does not make false statements true. Anyone who knows anything about the above topic should see it's loaded with bullshit and manipulation.

I wish I had more time to tear his crap apart, but anyone with basic knowledge can. America and the world is under attack from globalist elite, of which Biden is a part of. That includes Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bush (both of them), Bill Clinton etc,  (oh look, it runs in the FAMILY) most of the media, the list goes on.  A vote for Biden is literally a vote for chaos, then even worse slavery. But they are mostly "frontmen". The real people behind it are rarely seen.

Thank you Steve.

Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 08:13 PM 2020
See my comments below with >>>>>>>>>


I wish I had more time to tear his crap apart, but anyone with basic knowledge can. America and the world is under attack from globalist elite, of which Biden is a part of. That includes Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bush (both of them), Bill Clinton etc,  (oh look, it runs in the FAMILY) most of the media, the list goes on.  A vote for Biden is literally a vote for chaos, then even worse slavery. But they are mostly "frontmen". The real people behind it are rarely seen.

David Icke is knee deep in this sort of stuff and with conviction apparently.  I'm going to read up on him first.  You seem to be toeing the party line as well and just preaching to the choir here.

1. Agreeing is not toeing the line. I'm one of the people with my own brain.

2. Half the people aren't in the choir.

3. David Icke comes across as a nutcase. Still I agree with him on about 95% of things. That's roughly the same as what people like Alex Jones say.

I agree with about 80% of what Fox news says.

That's in stark contrast to almost everything CNN says about these issues being manipulative biased bullshit.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 02:47 AM 2020
1. Agreeing is not toeing the line. I'm one of the people with my own brain.

2. Half the people aren't in the choir.

3. David Icke comes across as a nutcase. Still I agree with him on about 95% of things. That's roughly the same as what people like Alex Jones say.

I agree with about 80% of what Fox news says.

That's in stark contrast to almost everything CNN says about these issues being manipulative biased bullshit.

Alex Jones has admitted to embellishing and lying about Sandy Hook and Pizzagate and such to some extent.  He knows he full of shit. 

David Icke is either cuckoo for cocoa puffs or he has a specific key to all this, reptilians aside.

You watch too much cnn, who perpetuate blatant lies daily. Internationally. Maliciously. Literally all the important stuff is treasonous.

Alex being wrong about 5% doesnt change the 95%. Who's ever 100% right?

And if you knew better, you'd understand most of what David says is spot on.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 03:28 AM 2020
You watch too much cnn, who perpetuate blatant lies daily. Internationally. Maliciously. Literally all the important stuff is treasonous.

Alex being wrong about 5% doesnt change the 95%. Who's ever 100% right?

And if you knew better, you'd understand most of what David says is spot on.

I reiterated time and again I don't watch MSM period.  They're made for TV controlled opposition.  And I said believe in Icke whereas Jones is a fundamentalist kook.  How could one listen to him when he is oblivious to the biggest conspiracy of them all which is religion which he dearly adheres to.  The irony.

You do realize that most of the world believes in a god, and even judges and presidents swear on the bible, right?

Religion is neither bad or wrong. The message from Jesus, whether or not he was real, is accurate. But the message is corrupted.

So don't blame Alex for those beliefs.

You're probably more likely to criticize Alex than Obama, Bush, Clinton etc

You've really got no idea what's going on. But you're not alone. Good luck.

And did you know Clinton,Bush and that whole side are literally Satanic. I mean literally they worship Satan. You know, the bad guy in the bible.

Its really interesting. I wonder what they know that we dont.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 04:38 AM 2020
And did you know Clinton,Bush and that whole side are literally Satanic. I mean literally they worship Satan. You know, the bad guy in the bible.

Its really interesting. I wonder what they know that we dont.

Being a pedophile (Clinton, Trump, Epstein, Lolita Island) is what gets me.  Worshipping Satan is low brow and kind of preposterous.  Also, remember when Trump would sneak into the Miss Teen USA's dressing room to take a peak which was the reason he owned those pageants.  Straight from the horse's mouth.  They're all complicit.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 01, 05:20 AM 2020Worshipping Satan is low brow and kind of preposterous.

If you mean it's not true, well truth really is stranger than fiction. Do proper research.  Its a big tangled web, but i mean literally they are satanic.

And trump was a billionaire playboy who loves women. That's a big difference to a pedophile.

Also i dont think trump is paedophile. I believe he was at one point behaving inappropriately to women. But again thats nothing like the paedophiles

Ozzi, I'm not allowing that bullshit propaganda. You'd need to be super thick to believe it. Stop believing the bullshit you're fed. Actually do some digging.

There's a lot more.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 06:13 AM 2020
Also i dont think trump is paedophile. I believe he was at one point behaving inappropriately to women. But again thats nothing like the paedophiles

Just speaking facts.  He was quoted (or even recorded) cavalierly saying that about his 17 & under pageants.  No dog in this fight.  Obama was a exposed for a moderate shill puppet through and through and might even ordered drone strikes on innocent people.

But being mass murderers, both Bush's might take the cake over everything else.   So joining bizarre cults would not be beneath them.

 

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 04:32 AM 2020
You do realize that most of the world believes in a god, and even judges and presidents swear on the bible, right?

Religion is neither bad or wrong. The message from Jesus, whether or not he was real, is accurate. But the message is corrupted.

So don't blame Alex for those beliefs.

You're probably more likely to criticize Alex than Obama, Bush, Clinton etc

You've really got no idea what's going on. But you're not alone. Good luck.

Religion is tribal by nature and pits conflict against one another e.g. Muslim vs Christianity for millennia.   It also delegates who gets into "heaven" and who doesn't.  Don't even get me started with the 72 virgins in heaven in the Islamic faith for blowing up infidels i.e. innocent people.  Or vice versa with the Christian right-wing mistaken-identity killings of peaceful Sikhs inside American border.  Religion is a scourge.   More bad than good.

The rest of the world has to catch up and join the secular humanist movement.  I am guilty too.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 04:32 AM 2020
You do realize that most of the world believes in a god, and even judges and presidents swear on the bible, right?

Religion is neither bad or wrong. The message from Jesus, whether or not he was real, is accurate. But the message is corrupted.

So don't blame Alex for those beliefs.

You're probably more likely to criticize Alex than Obama, Bush, Clinton etc

You've really got no idea what's going on. But you're not alone. Good luck.

I'm a fan of Jesus, don't get me wrong.  It's religion that irks me. 

Your are correct about Alex.  He's a nutcase but you can't really pin anything egregiously criminal on him. 

He would qualify as a typical innocent bystander, as compared to the recent group of presidents we've had to endure, who just happens to spew a good amount of partisan diatribe. 

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 01, 02:10 PM 2020Religion is tribal by nature and pits conflict against one another e.g. Muslim vs Christianity for millennia. 

Sorry but I must disagree. It's not one religion against another. It's God against all mankind. All the religions are fake. But only God provides the one thing that makes the difference. We are all vessels designed to be filled by the Holy Spirit.  All the bullcrap good that people do trying to save themselves by living their impressions of piety all adds up to just junk between themselves and what actually works. Mankind is meant to screw it all up and to get faked out. It all comes with the territory of free choice.  Only God can fill that void, that empty space where the Holy Spirit must go. Without that Spirit there is no transformation. I'm talking about religious bull sh*t that people grasp onto in order to attempt to save themselves and others. They even go as far as making themselves into theocracies of torment. People love power and control in order to achieve happiness. It's like blinders to prevent a person from seeking the only thing that works. It's not about being so good that you shine in your spandex holiness. It's all about being set free from the one thing that screws everything up. Your own human nature is your very worst religious enemy. I could care less what religion of the world thinks it has the mandates to save the world. It's all bullsh^t. Religion is a trap that snare a person and allows them to try to save themselves. Only God offers the escape. He sent the manual on how to do that 2000 years ago. He presented it as a living person in first person. But it's that Holy Spirit that comes to dwell inside of you that takes the blinders off. Do that and you are sitting pretty. Don't do that and you fall for all the bullcrap that arguing over religion brings with it, including wars. The world is a joke because most people of it do not get it. They say that 70% of the world believes in a God or supreme being. That's not enough. It takes getting filled with the Holy Spirit. There are fake prophets that try to impress people. But they don't know the secrets set forth by that transformation process provided by God. It's God's planet, creation, will, and judgment. Take it up with him. I believe that all mankind will at some point do that. Meanwhile I do not give a rat's ass what you do with your life. Throw it away, con people that you are a spiritual guru, tell others how to live by attempting to fill in that gap where the Holy Spirit was made to go. Planet earth is a single activity processing machine. You get the Holy Spirit or you don't. After that you get what you get.  I do enjoy the crash test dummies though. They barge ahead with no doubt that God does not exist. Good for them. At least they are not trying to fool anyone how good they are. It's a wacky planet.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 02:54 PM 2020
Sorry but I must disagree. It's not one religion against another. It's God against all mankind. All the religions are fake. But only God provides the one thing that makes the difference. We are all vessels designed to be filled by the Holy Spirit.  All the bullcrap good that people do trying to save themselves by living their impressions of piety all adds up to just junk between themselves and what actually works. Mankind is meant to screw it all up and to get faked out. It all comes with the territory of free choice.  Only God can fill that void, that empty space where the Holy Spirit must go. Without that Spirit there is no transformation. I'm talking about religious bull sh*t that people grasp onto in order to attempt to save themselves and others. They even go as far as making themselves into theocracies of torment. People love power and control in order to achieve happiness. It's like blinders to prevent a person from seeking the only thing that works. It's not about being so good that you shine in your spandex holiness. It's all about being set free from the one thing that screws everything up. Your own human nature is your very worst religious enemy. I could care less what religion of the world thinks it has the mandates to save the world. It's all bullsh^t. Religion is a trap that snare a person and allows them to try to save themselves. Only God offers the escape. He sent the manual on how to do that 2000 years ago. He presented it as a living person in first person. But it's that Holy Spirit that comes to dwell inside of you that takes the blinders off. Do that and you are sitting pretty. Don't do that and you fall for all the bullcrap that arguing over religion brings with it, including wars. The world is a joke because most people of it do not get it. They say that 70% of the world believes in a God or supreme being. That's not enough. It takes getting filled with the Holy Spirit. There are fake prophets that try to impress people. But they don't know the secrets set forth by that transformation process provided by God. It's God's planet, creation, will, and judgment. Take it up with him. I believe that all mankind will at some point do that. Meanwhile I do not give a rat's ass what you do with your life. Throw it away, con people that you are a spiritual guru, tell others how to live by attempting to fill in that gap where the Holy Spirit was made to go. Planet earth is a single activity processing machine. You get the Holy Spirit or you don't. After that you get what you get.  I do enjoy the crash test dummies though. They barge ahead with no doubt that God does not exist. Good for them. At least they are not trying to fool anyone how good they are. It's a wacky planet.

I am not reading that unless you're intention is to give me a migraine.

Paragraphs are you're friend.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 01, 04:13 PM 2020I am not reading that unless you're intention is to give me a migraine.
 
Paragraphs are you're friend.

Haha, Paste it into a text editor and make your own paragraphs.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:28 AM 2020
Ozzi, I'm not allowing that bullshit propaganda. You'd need to be super thick to believe it. Stop believing the bullshit you're fed. Actually do some digging.

There's a lot more.
Mentality of trump supporters. :lol:

QuoteYou'd need to be super thick to believe it.

I rest my case.

You're not smart enough to understand Trump is the only recent president who's actually looking out for you.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 05:40 PM 2020You're not smart enough to understand Trump is the only recent president who's actually looking out for you.

Wonderful. Bravo. So true. You make perfect sense. I agree completely. He's also the only president in decades that cares more about Black people than any that have come along since Eisenhower. That includes the beloved JFK too.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 04:26 PM 2020
Haha, Paste it into a text editor and make your own paragraphs.

I'm on a phone.  Too bad.  Could've been some morsels of good points you made.  Oh well.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 05:58 PM 2020
Wonderful. Bravo. So true. You make perfect sense. I agree completely. He's also the only president in decades that cares more about Black people than any that have come along since Eisenhower. That includes the beloved JFK too.

Really, like this.

No. I think those were photoshopped.

I think Trump is far better than the Democratic party, which is basically Keyser Soze.




Having said that he is a traitor to the values and essence of the US constitution which he put his oath to serve.
He acts as it is something arbitrary, or something that can be suspended under emergency. He should be removed and replaced with someone better.

Sadly Ron Paul is out of question, as he is a freemason and betrayed his followers when he run against Mitt Romney during GOP.

Freemasons aren't exactly bad. They've been infiltrated.

And in emergencies, the constitution is suspended.

Trump is all for America. He might be half stupid but its still far better than the other option.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 08:29 AM 2020
Freemasons aren't exactly bad. They've been infiltrated.

And in emergencies, the constitution is suspended.

Trump is all for America. He might be half stupid but its still far better than the other option.

Trump is all for his public image and secondly his vision of being a leader of a powerful America, whatever it means to him and the public. He do not care enough about the Constitution or integrity. If he could get away with it he would proudly become a dictator. He has repeatedly shown evidence of blame-shifting.

He is not as bad as the "Democtatic" rogues. We are in agreement in that.

While I do not pretend to be a constitutional lawyer, but it must hold in all case, even in emergency. It was designed to be that way, to maintain the freedom of the nation as best as it is possible. The founding fathers thought about emergencies.
A president can lead by example, he can offer suggestions, but not declarations.
The US supposed to be the land of free. The US president main responsibility is to keep the law of Constitution going. He did a poor job in the time of great chaos. He is just a power hungry traitor.

Ron Paul already shown his cards during GOP.

Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 10:02 AM 2020
Trump is all for his public image and secondly his vision of being a leader of a powerful America, whatever it means to him and the public. He do not care enough about the Constitution or integrity. If he could get away with it he would proudly become a dictator. He has repeatedly shown evidence of blame-shifting.

He is not as bad as the "Democtatic" rogues. We are in agreement in that.

While I do not pretend to be a constitutional lawyer, but it must hold in all case, even in emergency. It was designed to be that way, to maintain the freedom of the nation as best as it is possible. The founding fathers thought about emergencies.
A president can lead by example, he can offer suggestions, but not declarations.
The US supposed to be the land of free. The US president main responsibility is to keep the law of Constitution going. He did a poor job in the time of great chaos. He is just a power hungry traitor.

Ron Paul already shown his cards during GOP.

I agree 100% - to him it’s all about his public image (like I mentioned he is a narcissist). He is corrupt and far from the hero that FoxNews presents him to be.

Now a days, it is very rare to find people who understand these nuances - they are either pro trump or anti trump ( pro democratic rogues).

Ok, so vote Biden.

He's much better, right?

If you don't dig deeper, and if you believe CNN, yes he's much better. But do a bit of research, and you'll understand he'd be a disastrous puppet. I mean parts of society will collapse. That's what they want, so they can rebuild it with total control. Thats the point behind the whole defund the police crap. Think I'm exaggerating? It's already underway, even with the president fighting against it. Becaue he doesnt control the media etc.

Also, Biden is not "all there", and in my view is likely a pedophile.

I do not think that democratic voters are necessarily bad people. I think they are just fed with lies and social conditioning, so they are simply clueless about the deeper nature of power dynamics and the level of corruption and evilness.

Personally I think democracy is a horrible oppressive system, that is easily twisted by the control of the media, culture in general and the educational system.

You seem to skim through posts without properly reading them and get easily carried away by emotions when it comes to criticizing the current president.
He did a great job at many things, but abandoning the constitution under any reason is treason. It is as simple as that.
We are on the same page regarding Biden.

I dont give a rats ass about Trump. It's more I don't want a group of people who are ruthless mass murderers.

Exactly how has Trump abandoned the constitution?

Me neither.

For one, under the US Constitution, the American government may not shut down businesses or issue stay-at-home orders, force people to wear masks and social distancing.
Under the Constitution, neither the nation or state governments may invade your private property, your body and force vaccines or any medical treatment upon the people. This is how the president needs to speak, and he is not doing so.

If the president cherished the Constitution, when the American state governors violated the Constitution, which most did, the president would have ordered his justice department to have them arrested at once for treason. He would also have had his justice department arrest all judges and Supreme Court justices for treason who did not issue injunctions stopping the shut down orders.

QuoteDid the founders of America and many other brilliant thinkers before them intend that the rights of the people can be suspended if it is flu season, or perhaps if there is a hurricane or some other emergency? If so, why didnt they say so? Were they so stupid they forgot?

The answer is no. They were well aware of disease epidemics, which were much worse in past times than they are today. However, they realized that a free society requires absolute limits on government power. Otherwise, tyrants always find an excuse to take away the peoples rights.

That's not Trump doing all that. He's against all that.

What I don't approve of is his inaction with some points. He's not doing enough. But no matter what he does, he's screwed both ways.

I see Trump as being walked over and overwhelmed. The guy has a shitload going on. But still, there are things that can be handled better. Like for example, the CHAZ crap. He just demanded the governor do something. I would have made an executive order to take control of that shit the moment it became clear people were in danger, and that residents in that area wanted action.

Biden's whole side is far worse. They were actively encouraging it, and the whole defund police crap.

So Trump isn't great. But still, he's a far better option than Biden and the people controlling him.

Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 08:37 PM 2020
Me neither.

For one, under the US Constitution, the American government may not shut down businesses or issue stay-at-home orders, force people to wear masks and social distancing.
Under the Constitution, neither the nation or state governments may invade your private property, your body and force vaccines or any medical treatment upon the people. This is how the president needs to speak, and he is not doing so.

If the president cherished the Constitution, when the American state governors violated the Constitution, which most did, the president would have ordered his justice department to have them arrested at once for treason. He would also have had his justice department arrest all judges and Supreme Court justices for treason who did not issue injunctions stopping the shut down orders.

Lot of good all that rebellion did.  Idiots at the beach, Karenism, Trump rallys with no social distancing and masks, rioting, looting, etc., pretty much sealed Americas fate as the runaway leader in Covid contractions+deaths.

Happy now?  Don't tell me your a libertarian?

He is the president. It is his duty to take appropriate actions. Remember actions speak louder than words.

If I were an US citizen, I would probably vote for Trump as well to avoid or lessen the impeding doom.

He should stop the illegal riotings and use the military to restore order.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 02, 08:57 PM 2020
Lot of good all that rebellion did.  Idiots at the beach, Karenism, Trump rallys with no social distancing and masks, rioting, looting, etc., pretty much sealed Americas fate as the runaway leader in Covid contractions+deaths.

Happy now?  Don't tell me your a libertarian?

link:s://calebjonesblog.com/why-im-not-an-anarchist/

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 02, 08:57 PM 2020
Lot of good all that rebellion did.  Idiots at the beach, Karenism, Trump rallys with no social distancing and masks, rioting, looting, etc., pretty much sealed Americas fate as the runaway leader in Covid contractions+deaths.

Happy now?  Don't tell me your a libertarian?

Don't tell me you still believe the Plague was upon us and still is. 
They're pushing for wave2 but they wont get it.
Social distancing doesn't help, masks make matters worse.  Its just another virus.  Shut the tv off.

Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 09:14 PM 2020
link:s://calebjonesblog.com/why-im-not-an-anarchist/

Government is the greater good. Optimal police state is greater good.
Regulations are the greater good. 
Delegated taxes are the greater good.

Right now the left has gone bonkers with their demands, I agree with that much.  Steve has a point.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 02, 09:37 PM 2020
Don't tell me you still believe the Plague was upon us and still is. 
They're pushing for wave2 but they wont get it.
Social distancing doesn't help, masks make matters worse.  Its just another virus.  Shut the tv off.

Im glad some people are aware.

And Moxy, it is almost impossible to stop this virus. But it is just a virus, not much worse than a typical flu. We could lock down the whole world for a month with nobody going anywhere, and it could very easily just start up again. Lockdown is not the answer. Lockdown is a fraud to destroy the middle class, among other things.

Don't blame Trump. He's about on par with the rest of the world. The US has had the most results because it has done the most testing.

And yes as above, shut off the tv. It's full of shit.

Many people see it. This election is probably the most important election in modern history.

I think if Trump still wins, they'll assassinate him. It shouldn't be like this, but his position of power, as stupid as Trump is, at the moment he's needed.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 11:06 PM 2020
Many people see it. This election is probably the most important election in modern history.

I think if Trump still wins, they'll assassinate him. It shouldn't be like this, but his position of power, as stupid as Trump is, at the moment he's needed.

Again, your conviction doesn't seem to line up with your actual lobbying.  I'm just not sure you can change my mind. 

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 02, 09:37 PM 2020
Don't tell me you still believe the Plague was upon us and still is. 
They're pushing for wave2 but they wont get it.
Social distancing doesn't help, masks make matters worse.  Its just another virus.  Shut the tv off.

They did a side by side comparison of two Scandinavian countries and the one with minimal lockdown and lenient social distancing practices testing the herd immunity route way back when suffered way higher contraction rate and mortality then the other country with strict lockdown and rigid practices.

This was no accident.  Americans are entitled and glib hence the number one ranking.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 03, 12:12 AM 2020Again, your conviction doesn't seem to line up with your actual lobbying.  I'm just not sure you can change my mind. 

1. Then you dont understand what I'm saying. Again, I dont like Trump. I think he's arrogant and pigheaded. But he's far better than Biden, who he works for, and what he wants to do.

2. It's not like I'm trying to sell something Moxy. If you held a gun to your head, I might say "you better not pull the trigger". And you might say "umm I'm not sure if you'll convince me". And I'll say "You're thickheaded. But that's about to change".

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 03, 12:23 AM 2020Americans are entitled and glib hence the number one ranking.

On the whole, I find Americans immature, arrogant and stupid. Not all. It's a culture thing. They're COWBOYS who think they're hot shit. Some are really as dumb as a post, probably because they watch too much TV. It's more the young ones though. This and the USA international policy is why half the world hates America.

I'm just generalizing, like saying most Asians can't drive.

I know there are Asians who can drive. And there are also "awake Americans".

You could also say Greek people are generally hairier. Also true. But I do find my hair is lost in some regions, and sprouts in other places. Humans are defective.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 02:03 AM 2020
1. Then you dont understand what I'm saying. Again, I dont like Trump. I think he's arrogant and pigheaded. But he's far better than Biden, who he works for, and what he wants to do.

2. It's not like I'm trying to sell something Moxy. If you held a gun to your head, I might say "you better not pull the trigger". And you might say "umm I'm not sure if you'll convince me". And I'll say "You're thickheaded. But that's about to change".

That's straw man-esque.  That must mean you would be trying to convince millions of Americans to not pull the trigger which should be obvious but they are just too thick.

Id love to convince them. But it's more like I want them to wake up. Then they wouldn't need convincing.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 02:09 AM 2020
On the whole, I find Americans immature, arrogant and stupid. Not all. It's a culture thing. They're COWBOYS who think they're hot shit. Some are really as dumb as a post, probably because they watch too much TV. It's more the young ones though. This and the USA international policy is why half the world hates America.

I'm just generalizing, like saying most Asians can't drive.

I know there are Asians who can drive. And there are also "awake Americans".

You could also say Greek people are generally hairier. Also true. But I do find my hair is lost in some regions, and sprouts in other places. Humans are defective.

Obviously.  Relatively speaking, we are more entitled and glib then say S. Korea or Denmark.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 03:12 AM 2020
Id love to convince them. But it's more like I want them to wake up. Then they wouldn't need convincing.

Being cryptic and surface level won't wake anyone up.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 03, 03:19 AM 2020
Being cryptic and surface level won't wake anyone up.

Actually I'm being blunt as hell. But some people are so stupid they think it's being cryptic.

Another win for Trump:
link:s://:.infowars.com/msm-forced-to-admit-president-trump-right-hydroxychloroquine-fights-covid-saves-lives/

If you want to stay ahead of the MSM news, :.infowars.com and :.banned.video are overall the two best websites. Never believe everything though because sometimes they're wrong, but very rarely. Whereas MSM like CNN is deliberately and routinely biased and manipulative.

Sorry to interrupt here, but steve do you speak greek? Because your last name is greek

Souvlaki.
Malaka.
Skata.

I can undeestand the topic of discussion, but and these words. Thats about it. I'm aussie.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 07:28 PM 2020
Souvlaki.
Malaka.
Skata.

I can undeestand the topic of discussion, but and these words. Thats about it. I'm aussie.

Ye thats how 3,4 generation immigrants ended in USA, Australia, to far away from the mother country so they forget completly the language and their heritage...

Yeah but you dont need to be a malaka about it.

And besides, our real heritage is not cultural.

I think you would really like to speak greek, very few speak in larger greek communitys (like sydney, melbourne i think?) but also bad with a heavy accent

I have no need for greek. I never put effort into learning it because i never saw the point.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 07:43 PM 2020
I have no need for greek. I never put effort into learning it because i never saw the point.

(sorry for getting more private, but i am curious) Did your parents not speak greek at home?

Yes, but not to me. When my dad tried, i would just say "english".

My favorite colours are green, blue, and indigo.

So you were a stubborn aussie since a child xD

I dont think im stubborn. More persistent and confident once i properly understand something, unless i know of new information that changes my understanding.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 08:02 PM 2020
I dont think im stubborn. More persistent and confident once i properly understand something, unless i know of new information that changes my understanding.

Just made fun buddy, ofc to be stubborn about the roulette facts is the right thing to do, even if you must say it 1000 times  8) ....i think members who want outside the box ideas where you tell the "right" direction getting more or are already a lot.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 06:50 PM 2020
Actually I'm being blunt as hell. But some people are so stupid they think it's being cryptic.

You do know Infowars is a laughing stock in American media right?  Jones got banned from YouTube and Lauren Southern turned "heel".  Not a good track record of late.   And a lawsuit was presented for his colloidal silver Covid cure if I'm not mistaken just like those religious peddlers on TV.  Prayer seems like a better idea in comparison.

The consensus is leaning towards Biden at this point in the battleground states so we're running out of time.  Just saying...

Moxy, you're a real moron.

YouTube is banning even doctors who tell the truth about covid. They're banning every major player who opposes the lies.

But because youre gullible and not smart enough, you buy into the bullshit that Alex is the laughing stock.

You really need to switch off the tv. It's rotting your brain.

And they said Hillary was winning too. I think this will be a close election. Half the people are really dumb enough to vote biden.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 08:58 PM 2020
Moxy, you're a real moron.

YouTube is banning even doctors who tell the truth about covid. They're banning every major player who opposes the lies.

But because youre gullible and not smart enough, you buy into the bullshit that Alex is the laughing stock.

You really need to switch off the tv. It's rotting your brain.

And they said Hillary was winning too. I think this will be a close election. Half the people are really dumb enough to vote biden.

Who's the idiot?  I'm not voting anyone in.  They are all from aristocratic lineage spanning since inception of this country.  Obama, Clinton's, Bush's, Kennedy's (they are good people mostly though), etc.

Trump may be an outsider but the guy is getting bludgeoned right now from many facets.  He refuse to comment on the Russian bounty set towards American soldiers, calling BLM thugs, niece wrote a tell all of the bickering for Trump Sr. Estate, rumors of him dropping out, Republicans Against Trump blowing up YouTube ads.  This isn't the typical news cycle; these are all bombshell's.  Facts.  Not opinion. Died in the wool Right wingers are the only people and you right now standing by him.   

WTF are you?  Roddy Piper in "They Live"? 

Youtube hasn't banned any colloidal silver peddling yet (because it's pointless anyways) so you may have a point on the gag ordered doctors.  But Jones is still a party line shill.

Moxy I'm sorry i dont have time to educate you. You're clueless. The information is already available anyway. But frankly your either too lazy to research properly, or not too bright.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 09:35 PM 2020
Moxy I'm sorry i dont have time to educate you. You're clueless. The information is already available anyway. But frankly your either too lazy to research properly, or not too bright.

You're lobbying attempts on this forum won't move the needle anywhere.  It may make you feel validated but most Americans really don't care either way except stay steadfast to their party with Trump being the exception.

Moxy, i started this thread not to convince anyone. I started it to see how many people really had no clue. I mean to see if as the polls suggest, half the people are really that thick. It may be a small sample, but even a few clueless people perplexes me.

I'm well aware i have no power compared to cnn out any msm.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 09:48 PM 2020
Moxy, i started this thread not to convince anyone. I started it to see how many people really had no clue. I mean to see if as the polls suggest, half the people are really that thick. It may be a small sample, but even a few clueless people perplexes me.

I'm well aware i have no power compared to cnn out any msm.

If Republicans Against Trump and Lincoln Project (R) had a clue then they wouldn't be lobbying him out with crowdfunded ads this late in the juncture as well then.

Consider how stupid the average person is. They think half the people are even stupider.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 10:00 PM 2020
Consider how stupid the average person is. They think half the people are even stupider.

You are the only smart one. 

Well, it's all relative. To you im like Einstein.

Quote from: Steve on Jan 23, 03:13 PM 2475
Well, it's all relative. To you im like Einstein.

No, more like God.  You know the omnipresent creator that we should all be baptized to.  He scares me.

in that case you watch CNN 24/7.

 

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 10:48 PM 2020
in that case you watch CNN 24/7.

No, but I'm a huge Richard Dawkins fan.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 10:13 PM 2020
Well, it's all relative. To you im like Einstein.

At least you didn't type "Epstein"...

Trump  PEDO  :o

Ozzi, i don't know if that's true. It's possible.

You should observe biden's behavior around children. Its entirely possible that both biden and trump have been down that road. Looks like biden still is, if you see his strange behavior like hair sniffing and groping.

But as it is, there are 2 candidates. Neither a good choice. But one is far better than the other.

How do we know? Their policies.

And of course it's possible the allegations against trump are from paid women. The allegations seemed to all happen around election time.

Even if it never went to court, damage is done from allegations.

13yo Ivanka lookalike testified:

"Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened Plaintiff that, were she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual & physical abuse of her by Defendant Trump, Plaintiff & her family would be physically harmed if not killed."                   Yes, Joe Biden is same bird.

I saw that. Refer to what i said.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 02:59 AM 2020
I saw that. Refer to what i said.

The guy practically professed attraction towards his daughter hypothetically on The View.  And it's not the fatherly kind if you caught his drift.  Even I cringed.  It takes a lot for me to cringe.  The guy carries zero shame.

Moxy, If you really think Trump is worse than Biden and what he and his controllers will do, vote Biden.

And what he said sounds like it was taken out of context. He's allowed to say his daughter is beautiful. Sounds like he didn't say it in an appropriate way. That photo is also propaganda, to look bad. Why did all the shit come out at election time? Do you think she seems to have a problem with her dad?

Also even the accusers story doesn't seem right about Epstein. Every legit accuser i know of never said there was violence. It was all manipulation. That was Epstein's MO.

You're just slinging shit at the guy. Why, who knows.

Maybe focus on his policies compared to Biden.

True.

Black ppl have been dehumanized, brutalized, criminalized + terrorized by America for centuries, & are expected to join your commemoration of “independence”, while you enslaved our ancestors. We reject your celebration of white supremacy & look forward to liberation for all. ✊🏾

I suppose we shouldn't celebrate the end of ww2 either?

We shouldn't celebrate anything. Because it's a mockery to anyone doing it tough.

Yes, black people have been oppressed. But dont be thick and but into the propaganda designed to cause hatred and division. That's why George Soros funds BLM. He doesnt give a shit about black people.

The only proper way forward of these matters is equality. Not hate. And to understand everyone is being oppressed, black and white. By the monetary system and bankers, censorship and corrupt media.

Black lives matter. All lives matter. And this blm movement is a sham. Plenty of black people are smart enough to see through it.

Quote from: ozzi43 on Jul 04, 02:46 PM 2020celebration of white supremacy

4th of July has nothing to do with white supremacy. Are you that gullible?? It has to do with defeating the British and declaring freedom for all people. Read the damn declaration. Stop watching cnn. I'm not even a US citizen and still know better.

You need to be smart enough to understand what's really going on. Divide and conquer.

Here. He has a brain. He sees what Biden supporters have no f*cking idea about. A vote for Biden is a vote for your slavery. Literally.

link:s://:.instagram.com/tv/CA_l_yrnohf/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=6BDCF483-E9BC-4145-9FFF-B690B3D1C093

Biden supporters dont see it.

This is not about politics. This is no ordinary election.

Biden supporters are really no different to flat earthers. How can you get through to them? No matter what proof you give them, they still don't get it. Theyre genuinely thick and blind. They buy the propaganda and brainwashing.

And even if biden wins, they'll still be too stupid to understand what unfolds. They'll maybe only understand it later. We have the same problem in Australia too, but the US affects the world. 

Eventually you'll understand it. By then it'll probably be too late.

Quote from: ozzi43 on Jul 04, 02:46 PM 2020
Black ppl have been dehumanized, brutalized, criminalized + terrorized by America for centuries, & are expected to join your commemoration of “independence”, while you enslaved our ancestors. We reject your celebration of white supremacy & look forward to liberation for all. ✊🏾

It's all too messy to change things as it is.  I'm all for free speech and your right to counter-celebrate that.  But let others celebrate it.  Nobody really sees that as White supremacy this day in age.  There was Juneteenth last month which was greatly needed.   There is the kneeling during the anthem which is greatly needed as well since the anthem was pro-slavery + anti-british colonialism.  Any person who still opposes kneeling is just personally projecting at this juncture with all that's happened or quite ignorant.

I'm for confederate flag as well as long no one is openly discriminated but we all know what it really stands for. 

George Soros is not doing anybody any favors here though and BLM should be adopted away from him and given new direction.

In summary, everyone should have the right to protest, congregate, celebrate peacefully as long as it doesn't negatively affect anybody on a personal level, even Nazis.  You can't deny anyone their existence.  You just have to learn to respect each other's protected rights.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 04:08 PM 2020
Biden supporters dont see it.

I, in good conscience, will not vote for either.  The only exception is if Jesse The Body Ventura runs Independent in the last second.  I will be a protest vote.

A vote for Biden would imo improve the morale of both the US and the rest of the
world.  People need the assurance the bloodletting will stop (re: the Coronavirus). 

Trump has a zero-confidence vote for many.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 04, 08:37 PM 2020A vote for Biden would imo improve the morale of both the US and the rest of the
world.  People need the assurance the bloodletting will stop (re: the Coronavirus). 

It will improve morale of the blind and stupid people, only to eventually crush them. And all of us.

You dont understand Biden and his globalist friends have created this crisis, through the media, world health organization and CDC. The same group pushed Germany into crisis, which enabled Hitler to take control. They did this mostly by financially crippling Germany. Too create such bad conditions that they'll accept tyranny.

Proof, unfortunately you're just another person fooled by the narrative.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 04, 08:37 PM 2020Trump has a zero-confidence vote for many.

Yes for the sleeping people.

Proof, if Biden wins, eventually you'll see. Mostly US citizens will suffer. I'll personally probably be fine, although still affected to some degree.  We all will. But I'm not worried about me.

No need to argue. Everyone will see in time.

But the really dumb ones will blame thing like a virus. They'll only see way down the track.

How in the hell does anyone vote for Biden? Is there some kind of split reality where people are getting different information or something of that nature? It is the only logical explanation.  I do not believe people are that dumb. Maybe they are. Maybe we're in different realities, and the one I'm in consists of people who would vote for Biden despite him not being able to even talk without messing up his words. I mean, what are the odds for Biden to make it through a single interview without having a serious gaffe?

Is it the media that's brainwashing people or is something else going on? Maybe if people would watch some other news, like Fox once in a while, they would see how they're being lied to.

Liberals control 80% of our news. They do so with great bias.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 04, 11:19 PM 2020How in the hell does anyone vote for Biden?

I found it hard to believe too. I started the poll because i had to see for myself.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 04, 11:19 PM 2020Is there some kind of split reality where people are getting different information or something of that nature?

Yes, its cnn and about 85% of other media.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 04, 11:19 PM 2020I do not believe people are that dumb.

Unfortunately, thats the way it is.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 04, 11:19 PM 2020Biden despite him not being able to even talk without messing up his words. I mean, what would the odds bet be for Biden to make it through a single interview without having a serious gaffe?

What was the last one?

link:s://nypost.com/2020/06/26/joe-biden-wrongly-says-we-have-120-million-dead-from-covid/

So there's:

- "150 million dead from gun violence"

- "120 million dead from covid"

- "I dont have dementia. I get tested all the time"

NO WONDER WHY THE LIBERALS WANT TO CANCEL THE LIVE DEBATE

And we want this old clueless dementia man the most powerful leader in the world?

He's just a front man. He has controllers.

And i have little doubt from his behavior even on camera he's a pedophile.

And lets not forget the policies he and his handlers want.

Vote Biden. Yes, the US is around 50% retarded morons. That includes people here that voted Biden. Literally, you're stupid. I can't and won't sufarcoat it.

Its no coincidence NAMBLAs logo was in Antifa's banner. These are sick people.

NORTH
AMERICAN
MAN-BOY
LOVE
ASSOCIATION

There's more. These people are sick f*cking pedophiles. Dig and find the truth is crystal clear.

And if you don't find out now, you'll learn later, and ask why someone didn't just f*cking tell you.

You are being told. These are sick people. They will gladly lie to and kill billions if they need.

It's not an exaggeration. Its reality. They make Hitler look like childsplay. They are just hidden.

(link:s://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1440,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_655/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1509470498/171031-weill-nambla-hero_ef9dsn)

Eddie Murphy for president. :)

"Yes! Yes! F*ck you too!"
Prince Akeem, Coming To America

Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 11:36 PM 2020Yes, the US is around 50% retarded morons.

I didn't read the entire thread but this line got my attention. You know how people think?

"With Trump there were bad times! We had this, we had that, we had covid and so on. Let's not vote for Trump, let's vote for the other."

This is the way most of the people think. No research, no nothing! Simple as that!

Yep that sums up most people. Just add they're easily influenced by viewpoints they see on tv. They were empty shells to begin. Brainless foolish gullible sheep.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 05, 04:16 AM 2020
Yep that sums up most people. Just add they're easily influenced by viewpoints they see on tv. They were empty shells to begin. Brainless foolish gullible sheep.

Agree with that!

Quote from: Steve on Jul 05, 04:16 AM 2020
Yep that sums up most people. Just add they're easily influenced by viewpoints they see on tv. They were empty shells to begin. Brainless foolish gullible sheep.

The boogeyman is real.  But its not the Rothschilds.  Its not the Bilderberg group.  It's not the dying corral reefs.  It's not a potential first trillionaire effectively cannibalizing billionaires and millionaires and down the line until the middle class is effectively wiped out. It's not the coastal cities that'!l be submerged in 2100. 

It's the evil taxation on the .1% who will have had enough and will finally commence their underground bunker retreat at Denver International before the impending Reptilian infiltration i.e. War of the Worlds-lite.

link:s://:.theguardian.com/music/2020/jul/05/kanye-west-declares-he-will-run-for-us-president-in-2020

:twisted: :twisted:

Information from link:s://:.stevemoxham.com/articles/trump-israel-seven.htm

There are a number of remarkable 'number' coincidences relating to Donald Trump, Israel and the number 7. Here are some of the key points:
•   Donald Trump was born exactly 700 days before the founding of Israel on May 14, 1948, (Confirm) and on his first full day in office he was exactly 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old. (Confirm). If you count the day he was born as 'day 1', he was inaugurated on his 70th year, 7th month and 7th day of life. (Confirm) (See the note on calculating time below to see how this was calculated.)
•   He was elected on Prime Minister Netanyahu's 7th year, 7th month and 7th full day in office! (Prime Minister of Israel) Netanyahu was sworn in just before midnight on March 31, 2009, and his first full day in office was April 1, 2009. (Confirm)
•   He even beat Hillary Clinton by 77 votes in the Electoral College because of 7 "faithless" electors. (Two voted against Donald Trump, while five voted against Hillary Clinton, bringing the final tally to 304-227 votes.)
•   Exactly 7 months later from his first full day in office on January 21, 2017, a total solar eclipse occurred - the first since before the nation was formed in 1776 to be seen exclusively in the United States.
•   All these most recent events occurred in the Hebrew year 5777. (Oct 2, 2016 - Sep 20, 2017)
•   On July 7, 2017 (7/7/17), Donald Trump met with Vladimir Putin for the first time, face-to-face, when Vladimir Putin was exactly 777 months old to the day, in the Hebrew year 5777 (Confirm). On the 75th anniversary of Israel's independence, Vladimir Putin will turn 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old on May 14, 2023.
•   On July 11, 2018, in the 77th week since Donald Trump's inauguration, he was the 777th richest person in the world, according to Forbes.
•   On Donald Trump's 700th day in office (December 20, 2018), his defense secretary Jim Mattis resigned on the day that Israel turned 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old - (December 21, 2018). He was due to depart exactly 70 days later on February 28, 2019, on Donald Trump's 770th day in office, however this has since been brought forward to January 1, 2019.
•   On President Trump's 777th day since the election on November 8, 2016, Israel announced that they would dissolve Parliament and hold elections 7 months early on April 9, 2019. (November 8, 2016 = day 1 - December 24, 2018 = day 777 - Confirm)
•   On Donald Trump's 770th day in office, Israel's Attorney General announced that Benjamin Netanyahu will be indicted on bribery and fraud charges, pending a hearing. This marks the first time a sitting Prime Minister is facing criminal charges. The announcement comes exactly 40 days before Israel's elections on April 9, 2019.
•   On May 29, 2019, exactly 7 weeks to the day since the initial results of the election became clear, and Benjamin Netanyahu's main rival Benny Gantz, conceded defeat on April 10, Benjamin Netanyahu failed to form a coalition government before the midnight deadline, following a two-week extension. The Israeli Knesset was dissolved in the early hours of Thursday morning, May 30 (Ascension Day). This marks the 40th day of the Omer from the Feast of Firstfruits and Easter Sunday. New elections are now scheduled to be held on September 17, 2019. This marks the first time in Israel's history that new elections have been called without forming a Government first.
•   Mark Esper is sworn is as the new U.S. secretary of defense, exactly 7 months to the day that Donald Trump brought forward James Mattis's departure to January 1, 2019. (Dec 23, 2018 - Jul 23, 2019) Read more...
•   The Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump began on January 21, 2020, exactly three years to the day from his first full day in office when he was 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old. He was 73 years, 7 months and 7 days old on the first day of his trial. Exactly 7 weeks to the day since the U.S. House of Representatives voted to impeach him on December 18, 2019, Donald Trump was acquitted in the Senate on February 5, 2020.
•   On April 20, 2020, an agreement was signed between Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz to form a national emergency government, exactly 7 weeks to the day since Israel's election on March 2nd.

This info was copied and pasted from link:s://:.stevemoxham.com/articles/trump-israel-seven.htm

Memes are meaningless

Ozzi, there's no other way to say it. YOU ARE THICK. YOU ARE LITERALLY TOO STUPID TO SEE THROUGH THE PROPAGANDA.

Elect pedophiles. Elect people who literally want you either a slave, or dead. You've got no idea.

Whether you see it now or later, you will see it.

Ozzi, again you're a moron. Trump is neither Democrat or Republican. He is just piggybacking the republicans to get into power in attempt to protect you, me and everyone.

Again you're too thick to understand how the political system really works (it doesnt work). And again you're buying into the propaganda. You still think this is about politics.

Nothing you've posted compares to Biden and what his handlers have done, and want to do. But you get your material from one-sided people as blind as you, incapable of thought for themselves.

Ozzi, now you're just trolling. You don't have sound arguments - just regurgitated crap. You're lost. You're thick. I'll leave it at that. Piss off.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 11:36 PM 2020NO WONDER WHY THE LIBERALS WANT TO CANCEL THE LIVE DEBATE

Biden says he can't do rallies, because "doctor's order."

How can he get out of live debates? Have all computers and technology vanished? Obviously, you (Trump and Biden) could go head-to-head live stream or something. Trump and Biden could just social distance to debate. If Biden truly uses some excuse to not debate Trump, how blind and stupid must his supporters be!!!!

Quote from: pepper on Jul 14, 02:42 PM 2020how blind and stupid must his supporters be!!!!

I’m not talking about the democrats that may just be using Biden as a Trojan horse to impose their will through him, but people who may actually support this man that “has been working like the devil.” I know he didn’t mean it like that, but it’s kind of funny.

Is there a link between evil and democrats? Think: demonic democrats. They’re for abortion. Their color is blue: the color known by Satanists as demonic and satanic. This is just kind of interesting, but I’m not sure that you could conclude anything from these facts.

Democrats and republicans are still the same system. Politics is a show. A distraction. The real power isn't in politics. It's just to make people think they have a choice.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 14, 06:27 PM 2020Democrats and republicans are still the same system. Politics is a show. A distraction. The real power isn't in politics. It's just to make people think they have a choice.

Maybe.

But it seems like democrats will go out of their way and do everything to deliberately destroy us/cause havoc.

de Blasio is creating the perfect storm right now in New York. He decides to "fight" crime/problems by defunding the police and actually creates more problems. The violence (gun violence and homicides) is through the roof, like hundreds of percentages higher than it should be, because of his war against law enforcement. Also, there is at least one new bogus law in place to prevent cops from doing their jobs. The New York cops are even saying that if someone resists arrest, they will just let them go, because the new laws are confusing and prevent the police from using any force whatsoever if someone resists.

Since the cops are being defunded, what was going to be new recruitments for them are cut off. Since cops are being attacked by everyone, many have retired.

Members of the same group are in both democratic and republican parties, but mostly democratic.

And the whole idea of blm, defund the police, covid, and more to come, is to destroy the current system, to replace it with one where we have even less freedom. It's all about control.

Charles said something like, "Communism, democracy, any form of government... the chains are just more or less visible." I agree with this, but for reasons that are probably far more bizarre than you'd think, e.g., the government using advanced mind control technology and psychic warfare to manipulate peoples' thoughts on a mass scale.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 14, 06:27 PM 2020Democrats and republicans are still the same system. Politics is a show. A distraction. The real power isn't in politics. It's just to make people think they have a choice.

That's true. I was forced to answer someone this way:

"It's the kind of truth that you like. It presses your button. You are more than likely a tool of theirs. You like the source that told you this story. You want it to be true. It gives you permission to suspend disbelief. So you ask it as a question in a sort of smarmy condescending affirmation of your intellect. How do you like this answer? Most suckers don't know that others see right thru them. It pays to know the real truth. There are far too few that actually seek it or value it."

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 15, 08:40 AM 2020It pays to know the real truth. There are far too few that actually seek it or value it.

What is the real truth and how does one find it? There are so many sources that contradict one another, but I suppose there are similarities as well, e.g., most religions have the same fundamental ideas. Many people, like Alex Jones, appear to put profits above the truth. I can’t say for sure, but I read an article about him pretty much painting a group of people as terrorists (knowing that they weren’t), pushing a stereotype, just to create a sensational story, for profits.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 15, 08:40 AM 2020"It's the kind of truth that you like. It presses your button. You are more than likely a tool of theirs. You like the source that told you this story. You want it to be true. It gives you permission to suspend disbelief.

I agree with this. Everyone says that their truth is the truth; it kind of dilutes the whole idea of something being true.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 15, 10:57 AM 2020What is the real truth and how does one find it?

For me it started decades ago watching people run for office, make promises, and then checking their actual voting record. From just that you can tell if you were lied to.  You of course have to remember who lied to you and who carried water for them in the media.  Today it's all about your own set of facts. Add to that for three generations of schooled kids you have the mind control thing where they are taught that there are many truths and they are all subjective. They even teach that truth is a weapon that keeps the establishment in power. So they are actually desensitized to real objective critical thinking.

Real truth is not a weapon to cause you harm. And this BS game of catching liberals in their misdirection and hypocrisy is a joke too. It's just a straw man argument to keep the other side occupied while they go about wrecking everything.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=eSijB9-Hw7g

The types of questions the media asks republicans and Trump: are you upset that the North won the civil war? To Reagan: are you on hardcore drugs?

To Biden: are you nervous because you are doing so well?

Fake news constantly creates straw man fallacies about Donald Trump, like claiming he's an advocate to drink bleach to prevent or cure coronavirus? The media does the opposite for Mr. Biden and doesn't pressure him, like they do to Trump. They'll ask Trump questions like, "are you upset the North won the civil war?" They ask Joe Biden softball questions like, "are you nervous that you are doing so well?"

At least Trump knows what state he's in, and he is brilliant.

MSNBC tells more lies in a day than.... "you know, the thing"~fake news covering up for and giving a free pass to Biden, who doesn't even know what state he's in. If Trump didn't know what state he was in, you would never hear the end of it. CNN would be going blah blah blah all day long about it. Btw, have you seen all the racist things Biden has said over the years and how he lied/plagiarized someone else's story of graduating top in his class and stealing his whole life story, then getting caught?

Fox is fair and balanced. They even get sucked into some of fake news' lies, like poor rally support, while he breaks the television record from having the most viewers watching his rally.

Trump is bad if he doesn't take away enough of our god given rights to prevent covid spread, but a dictator if he takes away too many rights. I guess he just can't win.

Also, all these negative thoughts about Trump are probably straw man fallacies and lies created by fake news.

When I said, "you know, the thing" I was mocking Joe Biden who gaffed like this, if you don't already know. He gaffs on a regular basis.

Anyone who's awake can see the blatant manipulation and bias against trump.

The problem is too many people are really thick.

Fox is generally fair and balanced. But they still have some individuals who actually play for the other team. The two main sides are freedom and slavery. It really is that dramatic.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 07:41 PM 2020
Anyone who's awake can see the blatant manipulation and bias against trump.

The problem is too many people are really thick.

Fox is generally fair and balanced. But they still have some individuals who actually play for the other team. The two main sides are freedom and slavery. It really is that dramatic.

I've seen attacks on Trump the moment he stepped foot in office.  I've seen Obama lambasted for having a Muslim sounding name and being Black.

As I've said, MSM is toxic.  The two party system is owned by the plutocratic "oligarchs".  It's not dictatorship they want, it's generational wealth hoarding,  contemporarily, the more practical and one of the more basic of human motivation.  The fact that you take Fox to heart pretty much discredits your stance imo.   It's subterfuge as with CNN, etc.  They're on the same team.  Occam's Razor works most of the time.

Also, having a mini-rally on here that affects barely anything also questions your conviction of what you say.  Circle jerking comes to mind politically speaking - not derogatorily.

The fact that "progressives" isn't even in the lexicon of this message board comes off dubious as well.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 20, 01:58 PM 2020
I've seen attacks on Trump the moment he stepped foot in office.  I've seen Obama lambasted for having a Muslim sounding name and being Black.

As I've said, MSM is toxic.  The two party system is owned by the plutocratic "oligarchs".  It's not dictatorship they want, it's generational wealth hoarding,  contemporarily, the more practical and one of the more basic of human motivation.  The fact that you take Fox to heart pretty much discredits your stance imo.   It's subterfuge as with CNN, etc.  They're on the same team.  Occam's Razor works most of the time.

Also, having a mini-rally on here that affects barely anything also questions your conviction of what you say.  Circle jerking comes to mind politically speaking - not derogatorily.

The fact that "progressives" isn't even in the lexicon of this message board comes off dubious as well.

Oh brother.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 20, 05:13 PM 2020
Oh brother.

From another mother.

God help us.

Watched the debates, it's almost unwatchable - Trump continued to interrupt Biden time after time.

For the next debates, they gotta have a button where they switch off the mic.

Both candidates are a joke.

And Steve - this is why I think infowars is trash for the most part.

Look at this article: link:s://:.infowars.com/chris-wallace-interrupted-trump-5-times-more-than-he-interrupted-biden/

"Debate moderator displays flagrant bias throughout."

"According to a count of how many times Chris Wallace interjected when Trump was speaking compared to Biden, the debate moderator interrupted Trump 5 times more. "

Like wtf? They had a limit of only speaking for 2 minutes, and Trump has went over the limit too many times to count. Of course he has to interrupt him going on his long rants.

And "Despite the media attempting to create the narrative that Trump was constantly trying to interrupt Biden, the President could be forgiven for doing so given how he was treated by Wallace."

LOL, Trump actually interrupted the moderator and Biden far more than 5 times - in fact the moderator wasn't hard enough on Trump.

When I see articles like this, I don't think Infowars is any better than CNN. Just pure lies.

Want to know how Gizmotrons look like in real life? Watch Eric Andre troll the brainwashed Trump base. He is not even anti-Trump, nor has he said anything political, yet they gang up against him like a mob LOL:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=vL8Dz4mGv1g  starts from 1:00

And Eric reminds me of Moxy. This is gold.

Quote from: winforus on Sep 30, 02:17 PM 2020
Want to know how Gizmotrons look like in real life? Watch Eric Andre troll the brainwashed Trump base. He is not even anti-Trump, nor has he said anything political, yet they gang up against him like a mob LOL:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=vL8Dz4mGv1g  starts from 1:00

And Eric reminds me of Moxy. This is gold.

Ha.  I love it.  This guy is the bee's knees.

Look, it's simple.

Vote Biden. He and the people he works for really care about the people.

Basically, some of you are so thick, you deserve it.

And Moxy, that guy is just a troll making a fool of himself. If you find that entertaining, it doesn't say much for you.

Vote Biden  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Steve on Sep 30, 08:15 PM 2020
And Moxy, that guy is just a troll making a fool of himself. If you find that entertaining, it doesn't say much for you.

Vote Biden  :thumbsup:

He apparently trolled you as well.

Eric Andre trolls everyone.  He's a "nihilist".  My kind a guy.  Also, you missed his 2016 DNC segment. 

This has Hegelian dialect written all over it.

1 in 37, héhé!

Anyone Anyone!

It appears quite clear Trump won, and Biden's side cheated. There's lots of proof (beyond reasonable doubt for any reasonable mind), but I don't think it's solid enough to turn the results in court. Still definitely imo there's enough other grounds to turn the results, like refusing poll-watchers the right to monitor. That alone makes votes illegitimate. There's much more to it.

What I don't get is how much of a mess US voting is. For the most powerful nation in the world, you have the dodgiest and clumsiest procedures. They are wide open to fraud.

So I expect we'll have 4 years of Biden. Although Harris will probably take over at some point because Biden is an old senile man.

Some people who voted Biden will eventually understand their mistake. And the really thick ones will genuinely believe the increasing problems just happened from things beyond Biden's control. But actually Biden is nobody. He's just a puppet, not making any decisions. Half the time it appears he doesn't even know where he is, literally.

Up next is the great reset.

If you dont know about the great reset yet, see this:



As for all the morons who think it's conspiracy "theory", holy shit you're stupid. But all truth comes out, eventually. Lots of people see what's happening. Few people know on a deeper level. But still there are far too many people that have no clue at all. They are going to wake up eventually. By then, let's hope it's not too late.

When the best of your group is a senile old man who constantly falls over himself, and is losing his mind, here's what happens. He lets things slip:



The main problem hasn't been people are literally stupid. The main problem has been 95% of media, including Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, CNN, have been blatantly censoring, and lying their asses off. And most people are misinformed, and too lazy to find the truth. Although that comes from being stupid, gullible, and just damn blind. Biden is such a bad candidate I honestly think getting him elected is the elite's idea of a sick joke. Like their way of saying they can do anything.

link:s://twitter.com/i/status/1328035735287558144

I think they have it all and been monitoring the software fraud in real time.

And Supreme Court is on their side. 

Just need a bit of patience.  This week will see some action.

People are waking up. Anyone who doesn't pay attention to the overwhelming evidence behind the evil scenes of a 'cabal' attempting to continue to run this country are about to wake up.

Remember... "Nothing Can Stop What's Coming"

QANON?
The Harvest/Acension? (Good News!!!)
ET's/Extra-dimensional people
People from other Places beside earth helping us with spiritual growth
As well as a 5% negative population of negatively orientated ET's here on earth?
Does this 5% work through the Cabal/Illuminati?
Are alot of democrats and Hollywood into a Luciferian religion that includes human trafficking and sickening baby blood practices?
Is there a solar flare predicted to happen the next solar maximum?
What if we lived on a planet that is underdeveloped in comparison to the divine star trek universe we live in.
What if we are coming into the "day time" of the universal cycle?

I believe Trump was approached as a man able to run against the last throws of the negatively orientated cabal. So yes. I voted for Trump and will am happy to hear all the evidence coming forward of voter fraud.

I respect everyone's right to their own opinion and these are my humble thoughts.

I wonder if all the damning evidences Powell and Guiliani have are going to be released before they get to the Supreme court or if we are to have drips before...
When?  This week or later?  Clock is ticking.

How?  All contested states together or one after the other?

To be continued I guess.

As I understand it, they are likely to have initial cases rejected because they are asking states to reject their own work. But national-level courts are likely to be different. We'll see. Although Biden's side likely cheated (globalists), proving it with enough evidence to overturn election results is another matter. I'm 50-50 on whether or not they'll succeed.

On the bright side, 4 years of Biden is likely to wake more people.

Quote from: Steve on Nov 18, 09:02 PM 2020On the bright side, 4 years of Biden is likely to wake more people.

Hahaha. You're funny.

Quote from: Steve on Nov 18, 09:02 PM 2020On the bright side, 4 years of Biden is likely to wake more people.

It will if they don't control the senate. But if they do, then America will likely end. They are just dumb enough to believe that the rich has  enough to pay for everything. Businesses will all shut down and those employees will get fired. You can have all the living wages that you want but you won't get anything if you don't have a job. They can't see this coming. And they will never listen to the warnings.  A greatest depression will be worst this time than the first one. They think it's all scare tactics.

My favorite part is that Canada and Mexico will be forced to comply with the green new deal or they will be taken over. It's all good though. Because I'm old and have enjoyed my "white advantage" and taken from society as much as I could get. There won't be anything left in a few years. If I'm alive I will get to watch as idiots get to find out that they were used as tools to slit their own throats.  That has to be funny. All you have to do is become America's equivalent Nazi of the last century, whatever that might be. Then you get to torture and maybe do worse to the people that caused it all. That's good too, because there is no chance that believing all the lies would ever imply that it's you that did all this to yourselves. History will once again repeat itself.  So laugh it up. These are the good times. Burn a few cities. Loot like there's no tomorrow.

I think this dispute will be eternal. I really notice how my friends argue at parties. Lol. The main thing is not to anger them and let them speak out.

Trump may be a "double agent". If he means well, then he's genuinely stupid mostly from arrogance. He isn't the solution. No politician is the solution. If anything, the right person can start the ball rolling.

If you voted Biden, you're among the dumbest f*ckers on earth.