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Title: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 29, 06:33 AM 2020
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 29, 08:56 AM 2020
Thank you Steve, 95% of the players on this forum really need to watch this and contemplate it. If people would have understood these fundamentals, they wouldn't be losing and wasting their time on developing methods that don't work.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 29, 10:35 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 29, 08:56 AM 2020
Thank you Steve, 95% of the players on this forum really need to watch this and contemplate it. If people would have understood these fundamentals, they wouldn't be losing and wasting their time on developing methods that don't work.

You just won the contest!

The prize is in the attachment
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Herby on Jun 29, 10:40 AM 2020
Steeefan2014

You nailed it  :xd:
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 29, 10:45 AM 2020
 >:D  :lol:
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 29, 12:36 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 29, 10:35 AM 2020
You just won the contest!

The prize is in the attachment

You can laugh all you want, but that's the truth. If you are not willing to learn and accept the truth, then you got a lot bigger problems to deal with that go far beyond Roulette. The video was well done in my opinion, it's not a typical boring video where a person just breaks down the numbers.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Herby on Jun 29, 01:41 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 29, 12:36 PM 2020The video was well done

Not the quality of the video is questioned...
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: ati on Jun 29, 02:20 PM 2020
Yeah, there are many truths and facts in the video. From my own experience and by reading the forum for many years, I can tell that most people are unable to accept some provable facts, they need to see the data themselves and study randomness. Just learning to use 4 or 5 of the most basic excel functions and filters can help with that.

One thing I don't agree with is that you need to run a test for millions of spins. Especially if the system only flat bets.
If a flat bet system is able beat the game(that is winning consistently), then it must have a very good reason why and how it can do it. As we know that each spin is independent and each bet has negative expected value. If it cannot be explained, it doesn't even need to be tested.
As I said not so long ago, the possible number combinations are so large that maybe we don't even have a word for that number. So a million spins consists only a tiny amount of all possible spin sequences. So a system in theory could win five times 1 million spins tests, and fail every time after the next five times 1 million spins.

Let's say your progression system can survive 10 consecutive losses before losing all your bankroll or hitting the table limits. You only need a pen and paper. After each spin check what numbers can make you lose on the next spin. Can any of those numbers come up? The answer is always yes!
You can always choose one number that make you lose and write it down. After the 10 spins look at the sequence. Is it random? It is! Can it happen? It can! Will it happen? Eventually it will! So a 1 million spins test does not prove much, when there are like a quintillion different possibilities in just 10 spins.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 29, 02:41 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 29, 01:41 PM 2020
Not the quality of the video is questioned...

Exactly! I never said that it wasn't a good video!  :lol:
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 03:01 PM 2020
So Steve's conclusion is that you must increase the accuracy of your predictions in order to have an edge.

Reading Randomness deliberately targets the wave forms caused by random guessing. These waves have a typical range of motion characteristic to them that can be speculated on, just like stock market moving averages. To deny their existence is nonsensical. In fact it's borderline manipulation and control thinking.  (insert a chicks body here) Flash Flash Sex sex... Don't see my point, see the polka dotted unicorn.

By playing these uptick and moving averages in your bet selections you can ride these moving averages waves to micro wins. A full year of micro wins has the tendency to suggest a winning strategy.  (insert a chicks body here) Flash Flash Sex sex...   Don't see my point. It's just mind control. I increase the accuracy of my monetized bet selections by targeting them in their uptick performance cycles. Therefore Reading Randomness has an edge and is in fact advantage player tactics. Now prove that it is a mistake. Your videos are there to do that now aren't they.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: pepper on Jun 29, 04:12 PM 2020
Quote from: ati on Jun 29, 02:20 PM 2020If it cannot be explained, it doesn't even need to be tested
If you really think that is the case, then there is no need to test anything, other than things like outside of the box methods, because you can explain your reasoning as precognition. Using this reasoning thinking, there would be no reason to test anything, because the math already proves it wrong. You contradict yourself, because in a previous post, you say something along the line of, "no one knows if there's a winning system because they haven't tested everything." At least I think it was you who said that. On the other hand, people can always claim there is some delusional reason or reason that their method works. So, all in all, reasons seem unimportant; testing is.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 29, 05:02 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 29, 01:41 PM 2020
Not the quality of the video is questioned...

I didn't say that you questioned the quality. You simply are too stubborn to accept the facts and the truth. Instead of learning what works, and what doesn't, from a person who is a winner in Roulette and who's teams make a living from it, you instead choose to remain ignorant.

If at any point you will realize it, you will be kicking yourself for being so dumb and wasting so much time. Like I said, the joke is on you and you don't even know it.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: ati on Jun 29, 05:04 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 29, 04:12 PM 2020You contradict yourself, because in a previous post
I know it sounds contradicting, but in this post I was only talking about the traditional approaches that 99.99% of the players are using. I did not want to go into different possibilities. Even though it might appears to be in contradiction to my previous statements, I do believe that it's possible to win with a mechanical system. But it's impossible to beat the odds.  :o
I could spend hours writing essays of why I believe this, but all the information is already on the forum. In short, traditional systems are only looking at spins, and trying to guess what comes in the next spin, or hoping to hit a winner before losing the bankroll. Every spin event is always equally likely and independent. A less used alternative is looking at certain events that are not equally likely to happen and statistically dependent. These two things won't change the odds of the game, but in theory can avoid the law of large numbers, therefore the house edge catching up. But only if you find the right combinations and betting plan. This is extremely hard, and not many people can get there. I've been trying to do it for years.
Now this is something I think should be tested. But not for a million spins. If this approach works, the chart should show a more or less linear line in only 1000 or less spins, every time. And a logical explanation should be able to back the results.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 29, 05:22 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 03:01 PM 2020
herefore Reading Randomness has an edge and is in fact advantage player tactics. Now prove that it is a mistake. Your videos are there to do that now aren't they.

I see that RR has worked out very well for you: link:s://prnt.sc/t8qhi7  -94k on Roulette Simulator. Not to mention, tons of excuses as to why you lost, which you changed as the time went on. Same thing as with on MPR - couldn't beat it either.

The proof that it doesn't work is right in your games. Using progression and eventually crashing, just like majority of systems.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 05:28 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 29, 05:22 PM 2020I see that RR has worked out very well for you: link:s://prnt.sc/t8qhi7  -94k on Roulette Simulator. Not to mention, tons of excuses as to why you lost, which you changed as the time went on. Same thing as with on MPR - couldn't beat it either.

The proof that it doesn't work is right in your games. Using progression and eventually crashing, just like majority of systems.
Thank you tool. Why should just the democrats get a kick out of manipulating people.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 29, 05:37 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 05:28 PM 2020
Thank you tool. Why should just the democrats get a kick out of manipulating people.

I am convinced that you have schizophrenia or some other mental disease, just like your idol Trump.

Anyone with a brain, can read your thread, take a look at your games and chart, and easily conclude what I have already said here.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 06:57 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 29, 05:37 PM 2020I am convinced that you have schizophrenia or some other mental disease, just like your idol Trump.

Anyone with a brain, can read your thread, take a look at your games and chart, and easily conclude what I have already said here.
That's pretty important for you to be that smart. You are just smart enough to get nothing from my sharing. Thank you for buying into that Spandex Boy Parade. You belong.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 29, 07:38 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 06:57 PM 2020
That's pretty important for you to be that smart. You are just smart enough to get nothing from my sharing. Thank you for buying into that Spandex Boy Parade. You belong.

Facts still remain the same, which you continue to ignore. Your claims of RR being an AP was disproven, given that you couldn’t win on mpr nor on roulette simulator. Your losing results on roulette simulator were very similar to any other progression system, it wins and then crashes.

You can write all the nonsense you want, it won’t change these facts.

If your “reading randomness” is a winning, AP method, then you should be easily able to win and show winning results. Instead you create countless number of excuses.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:19 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 29, 07:38 PM 2020Facts still remain the same, which you continue to ignore. Your claims of RR being an AP was disproven, given that you couldn’t win on mpr nor on roulette simulator. Your losing results on roulette simulator were very similar to any other progression system, it wins and then crashes.
No it has not been disproved. I did 50 sessions without a loss twice and then fuked the world up just to catch peons like you in the trap. So don't plan on winning this. I already destroyed your impressions. Before I ever shared this last July I already confirmed it all. This is not about comparing dicks.  It's about sharing it in a world of skeptics.  Those that reject it are dogshyt to me. You are nothing but road kill along my way.  Your presence is like that of an idiot expressing his needs ant a Mensa meeting.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 29, 09:25 PM 2020
Gizmo, Exactly what verifiable proof of your claims have you provided? (that your system is the HG/works)
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:57 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 09:25 PM 2020Gizmo, Exactly what verifiable proof of your claims have you provided? (that your system is the HG/works)
Absolutely none. All I did was instruct people that want to learn it. I don't care what the naysayers have concerns about. I just teach and they show results. That's how it's going to be. People will learn this and they will be the truth in the long run. Those that don't want to learn it can do what they do. I don't care.  I proved that I could teach it to another person and that is the only proof that I need.  I'm using human nature. People want to win. There is nothing stopping them and nothing to pay for.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Herby on Jun 30, 12:48 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 29, 05:02 PM 2020You simply are too stubborn to accept the facts and the truth.

Really ridiculous is your licking and sliming behaviour.
You are not able to reflect yourself but you tell us the truth.

The result is, if there was any truth in your words it's not acceptable from a person with such a poor behaviour you show. (Dry your tears you are not the only one)

Don't TALK about truth, SHOW some.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 02:01 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:57 PM 2020All I did was instruct people that want to learn it

All I've seen is clues.  I havent seen anything solid people can test. If I'm wrong, exactly what actionable information have you taught people?

Like is there a very clear resource explaining a principle people can test?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 30, 03:52 AM 2020
Good video, this will again go over peoples heads.

Winforus, you are right. Too many system junkies who have been on these forums for over 10 years still don't understand these basic truths.

I sometimes wonder at the IQ Levels. You have people on other roulette forums who still think progressions are the holy grail. It is pathetic.

Repeaters and progressions do not work!
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 03:57 AM 2020
If people don't want to learn, they won't.

Im looking forward to getting to more advanced stuff instead of grade 3 math.  Again people understand things when its really basic like red/ black. But the logic goes with crap like repeaters.

And it won't all be traditional AP. There will be a lot about suggested new approaches.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 30, 08:20 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:19 PM 2020
No it has not been disproved. I did 50 sessions without a loss twice and then fuked the world up just to catch peons like you in the trap. So don't plan on winning this. I already destroyed your impressions. Before I ever shared this last July I already confirmed it all. This is not about comparing dicks.  It's about sharing it in a world of skeptics.  Those that reject it are dogshyt to me. You are nothing but road kill along my way.  Your presence is like that of an idiot expressing his needs ant a Mensa meeting.

50 sessions is still short term, you can find other people on there who won 50 sessions, then losing it all.

And no, you didn’t lose on purpose. That is a lie. At first you claimed you were bored, then something else, and then you claimed it was all part of your plan - which is a lie. If you were telling the truth, you wouldn’t need to lie.

Like Steve said, you provided 0 proof that what you preach is AP method - so far you lost both on MPR and Roulette Simulator. You talk the talk, but can’t walk the walk.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 30, 08:24 AM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 30, 12:48 AM 2020
Really ridiculous is your licking and sliming behaviour.
You are not able to reflect yourself but you tell us the truth.

The result is, if there was any truth in your words it's not acceptable from a person with such a poor behaviour you show. (Dry your tears you are not the only one)

Don't TALK about truth, SHOW some.

The truth has been shown to you many times on this forum, the latest video is one of the examples.

If you are not willing to accept the truth and verify it for yourself (you can do the same thing Steve shown in his videos), then that is your problem.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 08:37 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:19 PM 2020I did 50 sessions without a loss twice

How long is a session? How many spins?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:19 PM 2020and then fuked the world up just to catch peons like you in the trap

Do you mean then you deliberately lost, just to mess with people?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:19 PM 2020This is not about comparing dicks.  It's about sharing it in a world of skeptics.

In this industry, skepticism is a good thing.

Exactly what have you shared that can be verified as accurate?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:19 PM 2020Those that reject it are dogshyt to me

Reject what exactly? Your claims? Please be specific.

If you mean your claims alone, without verifiable information, why should people believe claims alone?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 29, 09:19 PM 2020You are nothing but road kill along my way.  Your presence is like that of an idiot expressing his needs ant a Mensa meeting.

He is rightfully challenging your claims. Speaking like this to him isn't justified.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 09:31 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:37 AM 2020He is rightfully challenging your claims. Speaking like this to him isn't justified.
I built an entire teaching thread where anyone can go and read it. All the questions get answered there. But people just want to troll and argue without learning the skills. That is like justification these days, that's for sure. I even created a practice software for anyone to use. It's all there. But blanket accusations and wrong conclusions only verify that these people have not spent any time trying to prove it for themselves. They want their hands held and to be spoon fed. They want it proved to them before they will try it. There is a way to do this and it is not to get a rise out of me. So I squish them like bugs. Why be nice to someone that just wants to troll?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: pepper on Jun 30, 09:36 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 03:57 AM 2020Im looking forward to getting to more advanced stuff instead of grade 3 math.
I can't really watch this videos. It's all obvious stuff and the same stuff every mathematical expert will tell you: you cannot beat roulette.

I like to look at the opposite of everything. If people claim the world is round, I like to look at the possibility of it being flat. All conjure against flat earthers like they are sooo stupid, yet they accept the fact that they may not even be real or be where they actually are, like the video precogmiles posted demonstrates. Your reality may not be what it seems.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Herby on Jun 30, 09:37 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 30, 08:24 AM 2020that is your problem
The first true part of a sentence from you.

Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Herby on Jun 30, 09:56 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 30, 09:36 AM 2020I like to look at the possibility of it being flat.
In a first approximation the earth is flat. Hundreds of thousends of years people thought like that.
In the second step of approximation the earth is a sphere.
In the third step of approximation the earth is a rotational ellipsoid.

and so on
last step: the earth is the earth: every approximation is only an approximation .

Mankind is not able to know the truth. ( some slimeheads just think they are )

The only thing we can talk of is the quality of our approximation .
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 10:06 AM 2020
Pepper, you're not understanding what im saying.

35 will NEVER be greater than 37.

Its not an opinion. Its not a theory. Its not debatable.

Like i said, don't think you're different. Almost everyone on forums makes the same mistakes, because they still don't understand BASICS.

Yes, basics are boring. But if you don't even understand basics, youve got no hope for anything else.

We're in orbit, im pointing out the window saying "look, its round". And you're still thinking it might be flat.

It shows again, you can lead a horse to water. But you can't make it drink.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 10:08 AM 2020
Gizmo, can you post here just one testable principle?

I don't mean theory like there will be some reds and some blacks. I mean something of substance.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 10:21 AM 2020
And peper, im fully aware many people won't like what i say. But like i said, id rather just tell the truth than make people feel warm amd fuzzy.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 11:54 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 10:08 AM 2020
Gizmo, can you post here just one testable principle?

I don't mean theory like there will be some reds and some blacks. I mean something of substance.

Here is an example of a common characteristic. It's "singles on the weak side." It's found in the Low / High section at spin 29 and goes on for 30 spins.  I have taught people to win their session with just this sequence. That's not a theory.


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W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP
X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  01  --  05 ( $ 90 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  02  --  13 ( $ 0 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  03  --  09 ( $ 90 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  04  --  18 ( $ 180 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  05  --  34 ( $ 270 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  06  --  25 ( $ 360 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  07  --  05 ( $ 450 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  08  --  02 ( $ 360 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  09  --  04 ( $ 270 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  10  --  35 ( $ 180 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  11  --  20 ( $ 90 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  12  --  03 ( $ 180 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  13  --  11 ( $ 90 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  14  --  05 ( $ 180 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  15  --  15 ( $ 90 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  16  --  07 ( $ 180 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  17  --  17 ( $ 90 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  18  --  02 ( $ 0 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  19  --  35 ( $ -90 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  20  --  20 ( $ -180 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  21  --  18 ( $ -90 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  22  --  09 ( $ 0 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  23  --  22 ( $ -90 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  24  --  10 ( $ -180 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  25  --  22 ( $ -270 ) Red
   |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  26  --  37 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  27  --  35 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  28  --  32 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  29  --  15 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  30  --  05 ( $ -360 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  31  --  16 ( $ -270 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  32  --  23 ( $ -180 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  33  --  06 ( $ -270 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  34  --  01 ( $ -180 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  35  --  24 ( $ -270 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  36  --  16 ( $ -180 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  37  --  30 ( $ -90 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  38  --  12 ( $ 0 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  39  --  06 ( $ -90 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  40  --  14 ( $ 0 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  41  --  24 ( $ -90 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  42  --  02 ( $ -180 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  43  --  15 ( $ -270 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  44  --  09 ( $ -180 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  45  --  22 ( $ -270 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  46  --  18 ( $ -180 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  47  --  11 ( $ -270 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  48  --  16 ( $ -180 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  49  --  18 ( $ -90 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  50  --  08 ( $ -180 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  51  --  01 ( $ -90 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  52  --  08 ( $ -180 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  53  --  24 ( $ -270 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  54  --  06 ( $ -360 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  55  --  16 ( $ -270 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  56  --  04 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  57  --  11 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  58  --  36 ( $ -360 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  59  --  16 ( $ -270 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  60  --  35 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  61  --  31 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  62  --  19 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  63  --  08 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  64  --  18 ( $ -360 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  65  --  09 ( $ -270 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  66  --  31 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  67  --  04 ( $ -450 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  68  --  16 ( $ -360 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  69  --  15 ( $ -450 ) Red
   |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  70  --  37 ( $ -540 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  71  --  10 ( $ -630 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  72  --  18 ( $ -540 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  73  --  17 ( $ -630 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  74  --  21 ( $ -540 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  75  --  24 ( $ -630 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  76  --  36 ( $ -540 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  77  --  36 ( $ -450 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  78  --  17 ( $ -540 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  79  --  30 ( $ -450 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  80  --  33 ( $ -540 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  81  --  06 ( $ -630 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  82  --  29 ( $ -720 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  83  --  32 ( $ -630 ) Red
   |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  84  --  37 ( $ -720 ) Red
   | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  85  --  15 ( $ -810 ) Red
X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  86  --  16 ( $ -720 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  87  --  34 ( $ -630 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  88  --  26 ( $ -720 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  89  --  33 ( $ -810 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  90  --  03 ( $ -720 ) Red
   | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  91  --  04 ( $ -810 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  92  --  35 ( $ -900 ) Red
X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  93  --  21 ( $ -810 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  94  --  29 ( $ -900 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  95  --  22 ( $ -990 ) Red
   | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  96  --  28 ( $ -1080 ) Red
X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  97  --  36 ( $ -990 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  98  --  01 ( $ -900 ) Red
   | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  99  --  35 ( $ -990 ) Red
X |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  100  --  09 ( $ -900 ) Red


If you need it to be a computer algorithm and millions of spins then you write the software. I have found that it is much easier to program people. It's all there for you. You can or you can't see the singles on the weak side in this chart. It would be a simple thing to target that sequence with a computer and to develop a strategy to take advantage of it.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 12:08 PM 2020
Steve, I'll even give up the most important feature of a computer based strategy for attacking that sequence. Your computer app must stop on any loss of two in a row.  If a swarm of two in a row losses occur the software must have the capacity to not try for a while. In fact it must test the waters for a change from that swarm. It must find a way to get into a swarm of wins configuration. The human brain can do this easily. Not so easy to write all that code in software. But it is doable. There is your testable principle. It's just specifically and strategically targeting the effectiveness conditions for singles on the weak side.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 30, 01:17 PM 2020
Steve, Gizmontron2 is clearly lying and not telling the truth. Very convenient of him to accuse me of trolling, after I was supportive from the very beginning, told him about Roulette Simulator, but ended up calling him out on the BS.  You can see his games, and see that he won with progression, only to crash after the variance has caught up. He refused to answer to you in this thread - weather he lost deliberately.

Here are his posts in chronological order, where he changed the reasons/explanations for him losing, the latest one that it was done on purpose:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 02:52 PM 2020
Just bored to death with grinding out the wins. My real play is to take small amounts from the casinos. I forced it up there pretty quick though. I have other things I want to do and this was a distraction. I just use small earnings to offset travel costs. If you go online and grind out just $15 per session you can get $450 in 30 sessions. This lock down looks like it will need to go for another year for me, if I live that long. Casinos are out for now, even though they are opening.  It's stay put. I'm stuck and bored.

Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2020

So you got bored and you lost on purpose?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 18, 03:22 PM 2020
No, not exactly. I just picked a long shot bet and would ride it down and up and down like a jackass. It was pure dummy-dick tactics. It could have gone on a wild win streak. I didn't care anymore. I had already made my point.  If people look at how I started out with those games at 54 then they will see what to do.

Quote
Back to Roulette :
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"Been having a blast self destructing on R-sim. Have had huge wins streaks only to hit the self destruct flat betting on long shots.

Might try flat betting only, combined with a minimum bet. In other words no double down on attacks. Let's see if I can win every time with that method."

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 02:33 PM 2020
You are right. I can't win without the attacking bet.  I had three easy sessions and then just an outright war that had tons of doubling down bets that I did not make. I guess I have to stick to my style. Interesting though.  Each session has its own features.  Other sessions don't matter. You fight the one you are in. I just want to beat the math.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:23 PM 2020
Where the heck were you when I won the first 50 in a row? I got bored winning. It all shows my doubling down at times to recover. Was 50 in a row luck?  Hey, I hope you pass it up. You need to find that hot repeater and chase Turbo's banana on a stick. OOPs, you aren't one of the Turbo freaks. Sorry. I can mask my work if I want to. Masking works best if it is not believed.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:34 PM 2020
Just look at the first 50. I did the same thing at MPR. I didn't start winning until I stopped going after the double dozens and added the 7 / 3 method to the sessions. I no longer chase the monster sized win streaks that I clearly talked about for years. I also carry three bankrolls of 7 net losses. I have never lost three 7 net losses in a row. I average 5 wins at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. That's more than 2 to 1 or 66% to 33% in net valued bets. But deliberate attempting to win all those 50 sessions with a 3,000 bankroll against 54 for each session win was not supposed to be possible. Yet you guys were as quite as a mouse fart. Now you are all fired up after I fired you up.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 03:37 PM 2020
Have you looked at how people have taken 1's place. It's all wild ass't play.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 23, 04:13 PM 2020
No I wouldn't. It's clear to me that you don't know what the RR is. You can clearly see me making dumb wild progression bets heading up to the top. I was just mimicking what the others have done to get there. But you didn't see that and now you can't take it back. And the con man bit. I have conned you. I told you what it takes to really win and then I masked it. And that conned you. Perfect. You guys always say that nobody would give away a working method. So you were conned as soon as you looked at it. Ha ha. This was all meant for the mathBoyz. But I got you too. Glad you are now giving yourself permission to pass it up. I do get a kick out of human nature. Control freaks manipulate people because they need so badly to do that to protect their illusion of themselves. But I have controlled this so that I could share it and fuk with the mathZombies heads all at the same time.  In other words there is a good way to manipulate people. I told people a way to beat Roulette and then made it look fake. It's still sitting there , easy to learn, and nothing is stopping you other than the fear that you might be getting played.  Don't want to be anyone's fool now do we? That is the con job. You are conning you. Ha ha. This si my way of sharing it and protecting it. You are my cop on the beat. Thank you for your service.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 30, 01:30 PM 2020
He uses progression in all of his games. When he is losing, he increases the bet size, and when he gets even or is up, he goes back to the same bet size.

Here is the 100k losing session, where the variance finally caught up:
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/0654c8ad69d924edaefd68e892affcf4

Here is the winning session right before this losing one:
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/d9a524af46c1fb508b5b39ead10b5e2e

You can go through all of his sessions and you will find the same thing. To me, this shows that the accuracy of his predictions are no better than random bets and the same as all systems that use progression. This is also the reason why he couldn't win on MPR (he said the same thing then, that he was bored LOL)
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Richard Meisel on Jun 30, 02:33 PM 2020
Wow, Giz must have hurt you very deeply for you to look up his past posts and post them. You sound like the people on CNN talking about President Trump. Playing games can be quite boring. Go see Giz play at a casino. By the way, what is your Losing System?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: pepper on Jun 30, 02:47 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 10:06 AM 2020We're in orbit, im pointing out the window saying "look, its round". And you're still thinking it might be flat.
You're exactly right Steve. I can see a ball and still think it might be flat. I don't like characterizing things like this, because you never really know. I have been through things that nobody else has that clearly defy reality beyond explanation, e.g., I went forward in time before. My thinking is probably classified by most people as illogical, but God/Satan/spirits have shown me otherwise. Perhaps my own paranormal experiences have shaped my mind to think like it does.

At first glance, I agree with you, 35 can never be greater than 37. Are we so sure? What if God changed the rules for a while to mess with us? What if he only changes the rules for certain people and not others, allowing only certain people to see things that others can't? There are many other possibilities that are equal or complete different than these that may occur.

What if the earth really used to be neither flat nor round, maybe it was just what you thought it to be, BUT once further human consciousness reacted to it, it changed or developed into being round?

I'm sure you or many have seen signs of certain numbers and/or things happening in their lives, BUT once you measure these things, they occur no better than random. So, was it a sign or just our brains being delusional and processing it incorrectly? Perhaps, the answer is both, neither, one of those, or something else entirely.

Btw, I do hope people get positive/useful information from your videos. I only want the best for everyone. I'm just sharing some of my thoughts and perhaps experiences.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: pepper on Jun 30, 02:57 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 30, 09:56 AM 2020Mankind is not able to know the truth. ( some slimeheads just think they are )

The only thing we can talk of is the quality of our approximation
I agree. I like to be humble in knowing that I never really know anything with 100% accuracy.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 03:42 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 30, 01:17 PM 2020Steve, Gizmontron2 is clearly lying and not telling the truth.
Funny. So the power of recruitment is your best hope.  I might try it out on you. Winforus is obviously unskilled in singles on the weak side. That qualifies him to criticize. He does nothing and then excuses himself. Should he be allowed to declare what the truth is?

Here is a clue for your next few decades. If you don't like it then leave it. When it gets validated you can tell everyone that you  were always against it.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 30, 04:53 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 03:42 PM 2020
Funny. So the power of recruitment is your best hope.  I might try it out on you. Winforus is obviously unskilled in singles on the weak side. That qualifies him to criticize. He does nothing and then excuses himself. Should he be allowed to declare what the truth is?

Here is a clue for your next few decades. If you don't like it then leave it. When it gets validated you can tell everyone that you  were always against it.

I am saying that you were lying as to why you lost on Roulette Simulator. You kept making up and changing the reasons back and forth as to why you lost.

Couple of posts above, I provided many of your quotes - where there were clear contradictions and lies - as all of them cannot be true.

It looks very shady and like I said - you lost because you were using progression, and eventually variance caught up to you.

If your RR was an advantage play, winning method, you would win, without having to lie and create excuses for losing.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 05:08 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jun 30, 04:53 PM 2020If your RR was an advantage play, winning method, you would win, without having to lie and create excuses for losing.
Please explain the direct change in tactics right after the 50 wins. What's that bloodhound nose of yours tell you?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 30, 05:33 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 05:08 PM 2020
Please explain the direct change in tactics right after the 50 wins. What's that bloodhound nose of yours tell you?

There was no change in tactics. To be exact, you have reached your 50 wins on June 6th.  You were still "reading randmoness" and using progression. In fact, you bragged about reaching top #20 and said that your plan is to take it to #1 on Roulette Simulator. Here are your quotes:

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 07:54 AM 2020
I've already planned to take it to number 1. I'll be at 50,000 soon enough. That means that I can double my bets and still stay inside my comfort zone and bankroll.  I'm still trying to figure that out. I like to double up on bet attacking. I also like to have 20 bets in reserve in order to descend in a session. So it looks like it's around 600 for bets and 1200 for attacking bets that are doubled up for 25,000 in bankroll. When I get to 50,000 I can double those amounts and still remain viable. Just trying to figure out the right bankroll to bet ratio. I don't stop at 7 net losses. I stop at 21 net losses. I have never lost three 7 net loss sessions in a row. That is where I get my 21.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 17, 10:41 PM 2020
:twisted:

Top 20

Then you lost, and said that you lost on purpose. These are the contradictions that I am talking about, it's beyond hilarious.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jun 30, 05:50 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:37 AM 2020
How long is a session? How many spins?

In his first 50 sessions, there was a total of 1103 spins.

Here is how some of his winning sessions looked like (taken directly from his games):

link:s://prnt.sc/t9f498

link:s://prnt.sc/t9f4za

Going down, and recovering with progression for a small profit, and then ending the session in plus. Is this Advantage Play method? Looks like any typical progression system that wins in short term sometimes, but eventually loses.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 30, 06:10 PM 2020
Really??? Deleting my posts???

I did not insulted anyone, I just stated the truth, the way a lot of persons here see it, including myself! And, in a funny way!

I thought this was a free public forum! But I guess is too full of princesses that don't like the truth...

No need to delete my posts anymore. I will do that for you!

Heil Steve! :)
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 07:17 PM 2020
Steefan, you were trolling. Your deleted post was just counterproductive agitation.

By your logic, nobody can agree with me, without ulterior motives. 
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 30, 06:10 PM 2020I did not insulted anyone

Yes you clearly did.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 30, 06:10 PM 2020I just stated the truth

No, it was purely your opinion.

Anyway I'm not discussing using it further.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 07:41 PM 2020
Gizmo, You've said previously you don't bet on the future, and aren't "predicting" spins. But you'd have to be predicting something, otherwise your next bets are based on nothing.

It appears you're looking at trends with things like Reds, Blacks, Highs, Lows etc.

When we put these things together, it looks like you're betting on the formation of patterns like:

RRBRR
RRRRB
BBBBR etc

Like they MUST happen or something. But that's as pointless as saying the ball MUST fall.

What you MUST do to beat roulette is win more frequently than random bets.

You cant prove your theories by specifying a small fragment of spins that suit your theory. Much more testing is needed.

When I asked for something I can verify, I was asking specifically for a principle that people can verify may be used to increase accuracy. But then you'll obviously say you wont release secrets. In that case, we're back to square one - you're making un-provable claims, and expect people to just believe you, and follow your clues.

That's the same stalemate that happened with Turbo.

So what's left is other ways for you to prove your claims. One way, albeit not a great way, is win play money on RS or MPR and become #1.

It appears you planned to be #1, but then later you lost. Now you claim you meant to lose just to mess with people's heads.



When Turbo was winning on MPR, he was obviously loving it because he played regularly. Until he began to lose. Then he started criticizing MPR and making excuses like I might steal his system.

.... So he went to RS where the admin can see a perfect video recording of his secret sessions. Later he lost after a bug in RS was fixed. And he played on Parx where you're mathematically guaranteed to profit. Nobody with a brain would believe Turbo.

It's a similar situation with you. I'm not meaning to offend you. I'm not saying you're lying, but I am saying I dont find your claims credible. If this was about someone else, would you believe it?

Having said that, is there something more specific you can provide to prove your claims? Or are we at the stalemate I expected?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Azim on Jun 30, 08:02 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 12:08 PM 2020
Steve, I'll even give up the most important feature of a computer based strategy for attacking that sequence. Your computer app must stop on any loss of two in a row.  If a swarm of two in a row losses occur the software must have the capacity to not try for a while. In fact it must test the waters for a change from that swarm. It must find a way to get into a swarm of wins configuration. The human brain can do this easily. Not so easy to write all that code in software. But it is doable. There is your testable principle. It's just specifically and strategically targeting the effectiveness conditions for singles on the weak side.

gizmotron2, where else have you said something like the above quote?  Its the first time I have read in all your posts.

Is there something else you want to add to prove that your theory is right? Any specific number or range to go after?

Is there a specific count, that you normally go after and stop when you reach a certain destination in both directions?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 08:05 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 12:08 PM 2020Your computer app must stop on any loss of two in a row.  If a swarm of two in a row losses occur the software must have the capacity to not try for a while. In fact it must test the waters for a change from that swarm. It must find a way to get into a swarm of wins configuration.

This isnt exactly an algorithm. It's not specific enough.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Azim on Jun 30, 08:13 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:05 PM 2020
This isnt exactly an algorithm. It's not specific enough.

Totally agree that's why I asked him what I did, not sure if he will answer me.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:27 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:05 PM 2020This isnt exactly an algorithm. It's not specific enough.
It's completely specific. If you lose two in a row. That is specific. If it is part of a swarm of two losses in a row. That is specific. So to make that for sure if it aggregates downward as apposed to flattening, like evening out, then it must be stopped until it begins to enter a stronger than flat toward the winning side. A human would see it as grinding upward or grinding downward. You must teach the computer to see this condition as it only relates to finding singles on the weak side.  I don't really care if you are not good enough to program it. I'm good enough because I know how to do it as a human. I can't expect a person to program it if they don't already know how to do it in real live play.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:31 PM 2020
Quote from: Azim on Jun 30, 08:13 PM 2020Totally agree that's why I asked him what I did, not sure if he will answer me.
Since I was talking to Steve I answered him.  You have another need that I can't answer. Whatever I say you argue and say that it is not good enough. So I see you as a dysfunctioning algorithm that demands others to fix it. Not my job to satisfy you.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 08:36 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:27 PM 2020So to make that for sure if it aggregates downward as apposed to flattening, like evening out, then it must be stopped until it begins to enter a stronger than flat toward the winning side

Define "aggregates downward" and "flattening", and "when it stops" and "stronger than flat" and "winning sides".

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:27 PM 2020grinding upward or grinding downward

When I think of "grinding", I'm probably thinking of the wrong thing. Please define it clearly.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:27 PM 2020I don't really care if you are not good enough to program it

Nobody can program with vague algorithms like these.

If a human can do the logic, it can be coded. But you arent giving clear logic. It's very vague.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:27 PM 2020I can't expect a person to program it if they don't already know how to do it in real live play.

Yes but no human can understand what you've said without clear definitions.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:51 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:36 PM 2020Yes but no human can understand what you've said without clear definitions.
I said people are easier to program. Do you really think that a quick description here will replace what I teach in stages regarding how to use the effectiveness states? You have not tried to learn my method thru the effort that I went to in order to teach it. But you want a full rendition of my teaching process all just to satisfy you. Tell you what. You go over there. Not just read everything in the thread but also practice real sessions and develop your own win to loss ratio. Use the 3 / 7 session method. After you have developed your own understanding of the effectiveness states then come back and ask me questions. 
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:54 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:36 PM 2020Define "aggregates downward" and "flattening", and "when it stops" and "stronger than flat" and "winning sides".
try to visualize the process and your progress as if it were a graph like a stock market moving average chart. Relate to it that way.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:55 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:36 PM 2020When I think of "grinding", I'm probably thinking of the wrong thing. Please define it clearly.
Slow transitions up or down as apposed to huge swings in a moving averages chart. Once you keep data like this you can relate to it and then program it.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 08:59 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 08:36 PM 2020Nobody can program with vague algorithms like these.

If a human can do the logic, it can be coded. But you arent giving clear logic. It's very vague.

I created graph charts and images for every set in my playing charts and put them on display here somewhere. These where charts for the exact same sequence of spins. I did this to show the moving averages for every set as it would be visualized for flat betting on each set to win. My problem is that I'm not getting followed here. I don't expect anyone who has their own winning method to waste they time on my information as it is an acquired skill that requires much work.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 09:19 PM 2020
I'm just looking for one simple example that can be tested, to see if accuracy is better than random. Even if it's just one particular situation or repeating pattern.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jun 30, 09:27 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 09:19 PM 2020I'm just looking for one simple example that can be tested, to see if accuracy is better than random. Even if it's just one particular situation or repeating pattern.
Then go for it. I gave you singles on the weak side combined with effectiveness conditions. To me is is very simple.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jun 30, 09:53 PM 2020
You gave a bunch of undefined variables that nobody can use. And when I asked you to define them, you didnt.

Also your claimed you'll be #1 on the leaderboard. Then later you lost, and appear to have said you deliberately lost to mess with people. I find that hard to believe.

This is going nowhere.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:38 AM 2020
Gizmo, unless you use a roulette computer, anything else is useless and as long as it can't be exactly defined in the smallest details it will not be good!

One question to you Steve and I hope you will not get it as an insult: if you're so set on the exactly dedined things - please, explain precognition (@Precogmiles - nothing agains you or your method - just proving a point).

I also hope that this will not be considered trolling.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 12:46 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:38 AM 2020Gizmo, unless you use a roulette computer, anything else is useless and as long as it can't be exactly defined in the smallest details it will not be good!

That's a useless bullshit comment people make WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO SAY.

If you really think Gizmo has provided anything verifiable and effective, then go win money. If you really think he said he'd be #1 on the RS leaderboard, and then deliberately lost just to mess with people, then pay Gizmo to become his student.

Gizmo has made some big claims. Like Turbo has. And I'm asking for anything that substantiates his claims.

Fair?

Or should we just believe everyone's claims without verification?

It's not personal. At all.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:38 AM 2020One question to you Steve and I hope you will not get it as an insult: if you're so set on the exactly dedined things - please, explain precognition (@Precogmiles - nothing agains you or your method - just proving a point).

Genuine questions wont insult me. I've answered this many times now. Basically, precog has scientific merit, and substantiating data (to what is possible with short term data). It's sure a LOT better than 1+1=3.

You're making the classic mistake of thinking MY way or the highway. I dont give a shit if you or anyone doesn't like MY way. But I AM saying you cant make 35 greater than 37. You dont appear to have learned from the videos.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:54 AM 2020
Steve, I told you countless times that you probably have the best winning method at the roulette table and nobody can deny that.

But you really are loosing it. One day you say you want facts/specific details to program it or to track or to... whatever else. Another day... you say you see precognition better than any other system here. Precognition that not even science can explain it exactly! (also, I never said it's not ok)

What's the conclusion here??? No offence but you sound like a person with a double personality! And there are other examples on the forum that holds this up. I don't have time now to state them
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 01:19 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:54 AM 2020But you really are loosing it

It's "losing".

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:54 AM 2020One day you say you want facts/specific details to program it or to track or to.

Actually that's every day, whenever I want to verify something.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:54 AM 2020Another day... you say you see precognition better than any other system here.

I knew you'd say that.

Does Precog have more potential than the Martingale, or 1+1=3? You can answer that.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:54 AM 2020No offence but you sound like a person with a double personality

Really?

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:54 AM 2020No offence but you sound like a person with a double personality

No way.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:54 AM 2020No offence but you sound like a person with a double personality

Maybe.

Or maybe it's that you're not understanding me.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 02:21 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 01:19 AM 2020
It's "losing". - sorry, English is not my mother language. My mistake

Actually that's every day, whenever I want to verify something.

I knew you'd say that.

Does Precog have more potential than the Martingale, or 1+1=3? You can answer that. - No, I can't! But I guess you - the man of the exact science can!

Really?

No way.

Maybe.

Or maybe it's that you're not understanding me. - Or maybe you don't know how to make yourself understood! Saying one thing today and a contradiction to that tomorrow.....
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 02:53 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 02:21 AM 2020Does Precog have more potential than the Martingale, or 1+1=3? You can answer that. - No, I can't! But I guess you - the man of the exact science can!

I'll reword it. Which is a greater number:
1 or 0?

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 02:21 AM 2020Or maybe you don't know how to make yourself understood! Saying one thing today and a contradiction to that tomorrow.....

Maybe it's an English problem. I haven't contradicted myself.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 08:16 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 09:53 PM 20201.) You gave a bunch of undefined variables that nobody can use. And when I asked you to define them, you didnt.

2.) Also your claimed you'll be #1 on the leaderboard. Then later you lost, and appear to have said you deliberately lost to mess with people. I find that hard to believe.

3.) This is going nowhere.

1.) Try not to see this too. When you recognize singles on the weak side you want to look at characteristics on the strong side also. Many times there is a condition where there is a total absence of singles on the strong side while the singles on the weak side remains. If this happens you can eliminate the losses that occur during the betting strategy. You take two in a row and then wait for the single on the weak side.  You can get to your three net win session stop point faster and easier by avoiding the losses that exist in the pattern.  Or you can remain un-programmable out of ignorance or deliberate lack of cooperation. I must include motivation as a condition for discussion here. My motive is to pass on information for free. I can't teach a person that acts as a full cup. You want to establish it as fact that I failed to teach you. I accuse you of failing to learn. It's a standoff. All I get from you are excuses. You accuse me of the same. I must ask you. Did you ever get as far as seeing singles on the weak side?  If it comes down to that then I can see your point.

2.) Have you looked at how long it would take to get to #1 at a beginning bankroll of 3,000? Forget it. It would be like watching a glacier move. But just see it as an excuse to forget it.  If I made it to #1 I realize that it would have just conjured up another excuse for you to proclaim your logical dismissal of the topic. I accuse you of being unteachable for motivations of personal interest. 50 wins in a row has never been seen for RR. It went way beyond anything taught in the original RR thread. It was long before boring set in and I went for 50 just to establish a milestone.

3.) this is going nowhere. I don't fault myself for failing to communicate.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 08:29 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 12:46 AM 2020then pay Gizmo to become his student.
Yes, you can pay me. I will charge you up the wing-wang for privately holding your hand. Or you can have it all for free at your own pace. So far everyone having been given this offer has chosen the free path. Funny how I made it all available with the practicing and discussion software too, all for free. That should put an end to any of my motivations regarding money. The first student took 30 days to learn it, 2 hours per day, and 30 more days to validate the learning at the same daily rate.  I'd charge at least $50 per hour to baby sit you and change your diapers. Or you can bottle feed yourself and start at the bottom at no charge. That should deal with the accusation that I'm scamming people out of their money.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 08:36 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 08:29 AM 2020I will charge you up the wing-wang for privately holding your hand.

My toes?

Either way you still didn't give required definitions. To me it looks like Falkortalk - his very own language.

Nevermind the goose chase following vague clues. I've done that too many times like with turbo. It got nowhere. I dont have time for that, especially when there's absolutely no substantiating information to encourage investigation. That's what i was asking for.

Anyway if you don't intend to get #1 spot, dont tell people you will, then deliberately lose.. just to mess with people. It doesn't make sense. And it gives the wrong impression.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 08:44 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:36 AM 2020Either way you still didn't give required definitions. To me it looks like Falkortalk - his very own language.
Did you ever see singles on the weak side? When I hold a students hand I don't continue until I make sure that the student can see, demonstrate, and prove to me that they see singles on the weak side in the chart. Now take that fKing bottle and shove it in your mouth. Do you see singles on the weak side in a chart of spin results?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 08:46 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:36 AM 2020It got nowhere. I dont have time for that, especially when there's absolutely no substantiating information to encourage investigation.
BS. You asked for an example of something that you could program.  And now you don't have time. Too boring for you Steve? PKB
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 08:52 AM 2020
Steve, I will make it easy for you. Do you see singles on the weak side in the chart below?


| B  R |    #
|    X | -- 01
|------| -- 02
|    X | -- 03
|    X | -- 04
|    X | -- 05
| X    | -- 06
|    X | -- 07
|    X | -- 08
| X    | -- 09
|    X | -- 10
|    X | -- 11
|    X | -- 12
| X    | -- 13
|    X | -- 14
| X    | -- 15
|    X | -- 16
|    X | -- 17
|    X | -- 18
| X    | -- 19
|    X | -- 20
| X    | -- 21
|    X | -- 22
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| X    | -- 24
|    X | -- 25
| X    | -- 26
| X    | -- 27
| X    | -- 28
|    X | -- 29
| X    | -- 30
|    X | -- 31
|    X | -- 32
| X    | -- 33
| X    | -- 34
| X    | -- 35
|    X | -- 36
|    X | -- 37
| X    | -- 38
|    X | -- 39
|-----| -- 40
| X    | -- 41
| X    | -- 42
| X    | -- 43
|    X | -- 44
| X    | -- 45
|    X | -- 46
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|    X | -- 51
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|    X | -- 70
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| X    | -- 74
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| X    | -- 76
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|    X | -- 78
| X    | -- 79
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| X    | -- 83
| X    | -- 84
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| X    | -- 86
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| X    | -- 94
| X    | -- 95
|    X | -- 96
| X    | -- 97
| X    | -- 98
| X    | -- 99
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 10:19 AM 2020
What's a single?
What's a weak side?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 11:10 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 10:19 AM 2020What's a single?
What's a weak side?
If you ignore the zeros, just for the sake of communication, you have side A the Reds for instance. Side B is the Blacks. The two sides make up a group. Each group in this version of an "even chance" bet selection method consists of two sets of numbers. The 1, 3, 5 etc... are all red numbers as well as odd numbers and low 18 numbers. They are also just slots if you take the paint off of them and just see them as individual slots on the Roulette Wheel. But once they become identifiable as belonging to a set of a group they take on a quality of identification. That process occurs in the player's brain as well as the casino dealer's brain. This is so validated that the casino will give you chips that can be changed for money if your set hits when you have chips on the section on the table layout that corresponds to the slot identified by painted markings in the wheel and your bet selection. If you notice that a single is occurring you are noticing that it is hitting once on one set of a specific group and then hitting the opposite set from that same group. This notion of singles comes from the idea of noticing a series in a sequence. If I say doubles or triples I mean that two or three reds in a series of a sequence has occurred. Here is an example of singles combined with doubles from one set to the opposite set of the same group. Red, Black, Black, Red, Black, Black, Red, Black, Black. The red hit once so that is a single. The black hit twice so that is a double. If the Black hit three times that would be a triple in series. So Singles are ones, Doubles are twos, Threes are triples, etc... 

The weak side is the set that is hitting less than the opposite set in any group during any sequence. 

None of these observations implies an ability to predict the future. All it does is allow a person to confirm with real data that a condition is still in a state of continuing. Math has no power over the next outcome. It does however reveal to us an average of occurrences over thousands of trials. But math has no power over the next spin. The zero has an ability to change the payout on sets that don't contain the zero.  So for an example I could have a set that contains the zero and the opposite set for that group that does not contain the zero. I could have 18 numbers in the set with the zero and 19 numbers in the set that does not. On a win I either win or lose 17, 18, or 19  units of equal value if betting equal valued chips.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Jul 01, 03:30 PM 2020
Quote from: Herby on Jun 30, 09:56 AM 2020
In a first approximation the earth is flat. Hundreds of thousends of years people thought like that.
In the second step of approximation the earth is a sphere.
In the third step of approximation the earth is a rotational ellipsoid.

and so on
last step: the earth is the earth: every approximation is only an approximation .

Mankind is not able to know the truth. ( some slimeheads just think they are )

The only thing we can talk of is the quality of our approximation .

But why male models?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 08:43 PM 2020
Gizmo, it looks like your approach relies on a kind of balance. I don't see how that's any different to other such approaches.

Whether you get RRBRB or BBBBR or whatever doesn't matter. There's no correlation to future spins.

You cant not use past spins to determine where to bet next, and say you aren't predicting something. It's like saying drink the dry water.

Its not that math has any power. Math is just the expression of probability and reality.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jul 01, 09:05 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:43 PM 2020
Gizmo, it looks like your approach relies on a kind of balance. I don't see how that's any different to other such approaches.

Whether you get RRBRB or BBBBR or whatever doesn't matter. There's no correlation to future spins.

You cant not use past spins to determine where to bet next, and say you aren't predicting something. It's like saying drink the dry water.

Its not that math has any power. Math is just the expression of probability and reality.

Boom, you nailed it. I also couldn’t understand his language, but after he explained what does a “single” and “weak side” mean, it’s very clear that’s exactly what he is doing. Like I said before, it’s no different from other progression systems.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Jul 01, 09:20 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jul 01, 09:05 PM 2020
Boom, you nailed it. I also couldn’t understand his language, but after he explained what does a “single” and “weak side” mean, it’s very clear that’s exactly what he is doing. Like I said before, it’s no different from other progression systems.

If you don't understand "singles" on the "weak side" then...  I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 09:25 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:43 PM 2020Gizmo, it looks like your approach relies on a kind of balance. I don't see how that's any different to other such approaches.
There are no other approaches like this. It does not depend on balance and I need a definition for that from you. What is balance?

I'm just trying to see if you understand what singles are and what the weak side means. There is no equilibrium with regards to patterns. They come and they go. There is no signal that they are coming. They don't signal how long that will last or when they will end. One day they are monstrous and other days they are pussy cats. You get what you get and it's you that must adjust to what you are getting. Balance is for those looking for an instance of normally to be expected averages. I don't look for average conditions. I look for identifiable characteristics of patterns. They occur. I seek them out. They have a nature to them how long they last. The length that they last occur in swarms some times. I guess you will need long winded definitions for all those terms and concepts? You are very difficult to talk to. You want to teach when it is you that needs to listen and figure out what I mean. I'm trying.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 09:28 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jul 01, 09:05 PM 2020Boom, you nailed it. I also couldn’t understand his language, but after he explained what does a “single” and “weak side” mean, it’s very clear that’s exactly what he is doing. Like I said before, it’s no different from other progression systems.
You don't know crap. First you must go all the way back to dumb. But you are too cool to start at the bottom. So you are a Spandex boy. You are nothing but a mathZombie. You are the reason that I'm teaching people willing to learn. You are not willing to learn. Did you get that message?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 09:30 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jul 01, 09:20 PM 2020If you don't understand "singles" on the "weak side" then...  I don't know what to say.
"You buy the boy books and send him to school and all he wants to do is fuk the teacher."
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Jul 01, 09:34 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 09:30 PM 2020
"You buy the boy books and send him to school and all he wants to do is fuk the teacher."

Hence why I asked if your were a masochist the other day which I know now apparently.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 09:46 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jul 01, 09:34 PM 2020Hence why I asked if your were a masochist the other day which I know now apparently.
Do you think that trying to have a conversation with Steve is a waste of time?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Jul 01, 09:58 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 01, 09:46 PM 2020
Do you think that trying to have a conversation with Steve is a waste of time?

Putting me on the spot here, huh.  I kid.

In general overall, I mean.  But it's defensiveness and jabs on both sides so I'm staying out of it.


Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 10:36 PM 2020
I'm actually really easy to have a conversation with. Unless you're saying something that's not true.

Again I think it's going nowhere. You're saying many things that contradict, don't make sense, I know to be false, appear to be fallacy etc. Anyway Gizmo if you're winning, just keep doing it. But again I suggest if you tell people you'll be #1 on RS, MPR or whatever, if you lose and say you deliberately lost to mess with people, expect people to be skeptical.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Azim on Jul 01, 10:46 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 10:36 PM 2020
I'm actually really easy to have a conversation with. Unless you're saying something that's not true.

Again I think it's going nowhere. You're saying many things that contradict, don't make sense, I know to be false, appear to be fallacy etc. Anyway Gizmo if you're winning, just keep doing it. But again I suggest if you tell people you'll be #1 on RS, MPR or whatever, if you lose and say you deliberately lost to mess with people, expect people to be skeptical.

Here, instead of going back and forth with wasting time and frustration, let's do what Gizmotron2 wants to do:

This is what his ground work is:


Someone needs to get their hands on say 100 spins, single zero wheel. I would list them as comma delimited with no empty space, example: 1,34,5,23, Don't include any carriage returns or line breaks. The last character should be a comma. Copy the list to be used in the session and hash convert it telling everyone the link where you did the hash function. Post the hash before the session starts. Give me the first 10 spins in order to save time. I always chart the first 7 to 10 spins with no bets just to get a grasp of the current trends. I will then make a guess as to what the next winner will be and from what group of 18 to 19 numbers will be in the winning group. All chip values will be in $5 chips where 18 numbers bet on to win will be $90. I will end all sessions once I reach 3 net wins, around $260 to $270. I will end all sessions that reach -$630 or around that number. In that way I can do what I say I can but not teach why I select what I do. For some reason people need proof first or they won't consider this. I feel the same way about global warming. Prove it first, then I will consider it. That's just the way people are. So the basic groundwork is established if any of you consider this a fair test.


I am sure we all should agree to it.

Anyone against it?



Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 10:51 PM 2020
Quote from: Azim on Jul 01, 10:46 PM 2020100 spins

You dont see a problem with that?

Quote from: Azim on Jul 01, 10:46 PM 2020I will then make a guess as to what the next winner will be

Then why does he say he doesnt PREDICT numbers?

Quote from: Azim on Jul 01, 10:46 PM 2020Anyone against it?

Me. It's ridiculous. Im wasting time on it.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Azim on Jul 01, 11:06 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 10:51 PM 2020I will then make a guess as to what the next winner will be


I knew that was coming.. 
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Azim on Jul 01, 11:09 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 10:51 PM 2020100 spins


Steve, he can do that with MPR too and play 100 spins with a larger chip value and be on the leaderboard.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 11:19 PM 2020
I'm not interested in anything so short-term unless there's other supporting data.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 05:12 AM 2020
Quote from: Azim on Jul 01, 10:46 PM 2020Here, instead of going back and forth with wasting time and frustration, let's do what Gizmotron2 wants to do:
There is no point in asking for the specifics of a simple algorithm if you can't handle a simple concept like singles on the weak side. So I'm forced to change my beliefs a little. Some people are easier to program than a computer but not all people. 
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 07:35 AM 2020
Gizmo, your explanations about RR are adequate and easy to understand, but there are too much noise and too little essence in your main topic.

Anyone, even a small child can grasp it when properly communicated.

The way I see it, most guys are not interested in reading your long-winded essays of self-promotion on how awsome and brilliant and savy gambler/adventurer you are, or your flooded thread over there at gf.com with your fascination of bullying "spandex boys", basically anyone who have a disagreement with what you say, or what they falsly presume about it.

Having said that they arrogantly assume they know better to form a fair opinion.
Frankly there is no point to blame them. If you would really care to communicate your ideas in a concise and streamlined way. They would care to read and test it.
All it takes is to be sincere, consistent with your claims and publishing a short, but well organized and concise pdf guide with examples.

Secondly you need to show up some tangible evidence, so others can relate and supply them with enough motivation to validate your "experiments", until then no one will take you seriously.

Cheap entertainment what is; what you put out is what you get back. It is as simple as that.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: precogmiles on Jul 02, 07:48 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 07:35 AM 2020
Gizmo, your explanations about RR are adequate and easy to understand, but there are too much noise and too little essence in your main topic.

Anyone, even a small child can grasp it when properly communicated.

The way I see it, most guys are not interested in reading your long-winded essays of self-promotion on how awsome and brilliant and savy gambler/adventurer you are, or your flooded thread over there at gf.com with your fascination of bullying "spandex boys", basically anyone who have a disagreement with what you say, or what they falsly presume about it.

Having said that they arrogantly assume they know better to form a fair opinion.
Frankly there is no point to blame them. If you would really care to communicate your ideas in a concise and streamlined way. They would care to read and test it.
All it takes is to be sincere, consistent with your claims and publishing a short, but well organized and concise pdf guide with examples.

Secondly you need to show up some tangible evidence, so others can relate and supply them with enough motivation to validate your "experiments", until then no one will take you seriously.

Cheap entertainment what is; what you put out is what you get back. It is as simple as that.

Well said.. But he seems to purposefully want to hide it, as seen by his posts in relation to roulette simulator.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 09:16 AM 2020
That does not make sense, unless he behaves in a self-sabotaging manner to maintain his trying too hard to convince others of his worth frame. It is a sick mind-game in that case, or could be unintentional.

He acts like in his posts that he wants to get attention, and someone who do cares about recognition of his work and himself by extension. He regularly bumps his own threads and relentlessly promotes his ideas and achievements.
I hope he see this as tough love.

It is challanging task as most people reject him. This must be his life template of being unrecognized and lonesome, so he had to find his own meaning and prove his worth to himself.

I can partially relate, he may refute this and accuse me of projecting though.

Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Azim on Jul 02, 09:22 AM 2020
This is his quote
"I will then make a guess as to what the next winner will be and from what group of 18 to 19 numbers will be in the winning group."

Look at what he has said, It's a quote of his that I found on one of the forums.

If he did have an approach, there would be no guessing. It would have been a calculated bet.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:02 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 07:35 AM 2020
Gizmo, your explanations about RR are adequate and easy to understand, but there are too much noise and too little essence in your main topic.

Anyone, even a small child can grasp it when properly communicated.

The way I see it, most guys are not interested in reading your long-winded essays of self-promotion on how awsome and brilliant and savy gambler/adventurer you are, or your flooded thread over there at gf.com with your fascination of bullying "spandex boys", basically anyone who have a disagreement with what you say, or what they falsly presume about it.

Having said that they arrogantly assume they know better to form a fair opinion.
Frankly there is no point to blame them. If you would really care to communicate your ideas in a concise and streamlined way. They would care to read and test it.
All it takes is to be sincere, consistent with your claims and publishing a short, but well organized and concise pdf guide with examples.

Secondly you need to show up some tangible evidence, so others can relate and supply them with enough motivation to validate your "experiments", until then no one will take you seriously.

Cheap entertainment what is; what you put out is what you get back. It is as simple as that.

All true and all good advise if I wanted to wreck my own opportunity to use it.

I used the base aspects of human nature to both share it and to protect it at the same time. 

Having been denigrated for over 14 years it was my choice to crap on every naysayer while sharing it. I was under attack from the very start of that thread.  It's all there, the information and the distractions.

My experiences in life goes to my lifestyle as it is compared to people that live out their lives watching TV from their couches. People are lazy and want free stuff. But if the same person comes along that has always been ignored as a crackpot and then explains everything in detail, while also still being marginalized or ignored, then that person would naturally be treated like the boy that cried wolf too many times. So I used that as a weapon against them.

I would tell the truth and show them what really beats Roulette and they would be compelled to reject it.

I have used basic human nature as a weapon in all of this. That includes all the bragging about extreme sports.

None of you were there during those activities. None of you know why I did all those sports. I learned in the very first year of the very first sport that there are no rewards from people that don't understand why to do it. So you actually ignore them and their sedentary existences.

I regard all people this way. I hold them all in contempt but at the same time allow them to throw away their lives, be it sports, greed, salvation by self affirmation, or hatred of others. It's not me that is arrogant. I am humbled by the revelation of my own limitations. Human nature is the enemy. It is like a disease that we all must deal with on our own.

I knew that I would be able to use it on almost all of you. I knew it would protect RR.  This notion came to me last July at the suggestion of another member of that other forum. And it turns out that he was so right. I could share it all, explain it all, answer all questions and it would not wreck things. 

I have always wanted to stuff a dump truck of crap down the throats of the mean spirited and arrogant mathBoyz.

Telling the truth will lead to them discovering one day that in this case the world is no longer flat. And you will have all my indignation in these forums to look back at as to just how I have treated them for their mathematical dogma. So you can decide if I brought all this on myself or if things like "past spins can't prevent future outcomes."  These were presented to me as reasons why I'm defective and that it is always OK to marginalize the messenger.

Some of it I took personally and have long since gone to war over. I'm well versed in the world on Malignant Narcissism, Codependency, and control freaks.  There are people that want to play those games and there are people that want to debate the merits of my information shared. I try to ferret out the motives and then treat according to the mentality exposed.

Most people are normal, even the mathNazis and mathZombies. We all know that players are in different stages of playing experience. We all suffer the little children that adventure off into the lands of progressions.  That's part and parcel of all gambling forums. Their newfound love of a life changing system to gamble by is always the same thing. We don't know because we didn't discover it. It's my secret and I'm only going to give you hints. Or I have a computer that tells me where the ball will come down out of the track. Anything else is baloney. It's all human nature and you are all exposed by your own activity during discussions, including me, a confirmed asshole that could care less.

I just want to thank those that have rejected it. Thank you for your cooperation and your service. To those that are learning it I admire your actions to keep it a secret and in so doing  protecting it in that way. It has value. That is the real secret.

To watch people get confused over the existence of singles on the weak side is interesting. It begs me to wonder the motivation or needs of a person flipping out over the danger that it represents to them or to others that might come near to it. The need not to see it is almost comical. No wonder a discussion can't occur.  It's an interesting level of stupid. I suppose it's just kidding, right? They have to be kidding.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:16 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 09:16 AM 2020That does not make sense, unless he behaves in a self-sabotaging manner to maintain his trying too hard to convince others of his worth frame. It is a sick mind-game in that case, or could be unintentional.

He acts like in his posts that he wants to get attention, and someone who do cares about recognition of his work and himself by extension. He regularly bumps his own threads and relentlessly promotes his ideas and achievements.
I hope he see this as tough love.

It is challanging task as most people reject him. This must be his life template of being unrecognized and lonesome, so he had to find his own meaning and prove his worth to himself.

I can partially relate, he may refute this and accuse me of projecting though.
All logical observations and conclusions. That all makes sense. It just goes to show that you can think.  I know that it works. I know that I can teach it to a student one on one over several months. I already have my validation to convince myself.

I've been dying of the same heart failure for the past ten years.  I want credit for changing the world of gambling and of mathematics. The notion of the absolutism of the "house's advantage" is BS. I'm convinced that I can give away a HG and it will be rejected until it is too late to use it. That pleases me the most. So my motivations are pure selfishness. I'm walking the jerks right into their own constructed trap. I hope you understand that in a land still filled with cops this is the most civil and pragmatic that I can be, Hand them the truth knowing that they will reject it, tell them to their faces, and watch them eat the big one once they find out I was right. It's far better than wiping them out. They get to congratulate themselves and it's all published for everyone to see across several forums and archives of forums. It's a truth bomb.  Try to consider this in your conclusions. I have been on the same path for decades. I exposed the global effect and the elegant pattern 14 years ago. It's been my thing for at least that long. 

I do get a kick out of people dismissing and rejecting bags of gold waiting to be picked up by skilled experts.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 10:18 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:02 AM 2020All true and all good advise if I wanted to wreck my own opportunity to use it.
I think if you would think deep enough about it, you would realize the truth. Even if It would be the holy grail indeed, sharing it openly would not affect you in any bad way.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:23 AM 2020
Quote from: Azim on Jul 02, 09:22 AM 2020If he did have an approach, there would be no guessing. It would have been a calculated bet.
Want to go climbing? I want to show you the bottom of a 1,000 foot deep crevasse. BTW, they don't make many ropes that long.

So you are now an expert on what has been described as making an educated guess. I can tell from all this just how far you got from my teaching thread.  You went searching for something that confirms your already predisposed beliefs. Why should anyone take your advice?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:35 AM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 10:18 AM 2020I think if you would think deep enough about it, you would realize the truth. Even if It would be the holy grail indeed, sharing it openly would not affect you in any bad way.
That's exactly what Junket King said a year ago. I thought about it and concluded that he was right. You are right.

So I started the RR thread over there. A bunch of people here went after it. Who knows how many Guests here are or have worked on it?  But one thing is for sure. It's a s quiet as a mouse fart in the wind. 

I know I can teach it one on one and bring a person along, one step at a time, like making sure they know what singles on the weak side means and looks like in a play chart. Funny how motivated students never get into arguments with me over guessing.

It all comes down to if people have become skillful at it or not. It has very little to do with how I have presented the information. The skill matters. My antagonizing the riff-raff is just me keeping my space free of dirt and debris.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: precogmiles on Jul 02, 10:46 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:35 AM 2020
That's exactly what Junket King said a year ago. I thought about it and concluded that he was right. You are right.

So I started the RR thread over there. A bunch of people here went after it. Who knows how many Guests here are or have worked on it?  But one thing is for sure. It's a s quiet as a mouse fart in the wind. 

I know I can teach it one on one and bring a person along, one step at a time, like making sure they know what singles on the weak side means and looks like in a play chart. Funny how motivated students never get into arguments with me over guessing.

It all comes down to if people have become skillful at it or not. It has very little to do with how I have presented the information. The skill matters. My antagonizing the riff-raff is just me keeping my space free of dirt and debris.

lol

Gizmo do you understand you have not provided any evidence so far?

You attempted to prove it on MPR but failed.

You attempted to prove it on roulette simulator but failed.

If all you want is recognition then that is your own personal psychological issue. It has nothing to do with a winning method.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 10:53 AM 2020
There is a pseudo-science to motivation and understanding. People want common experience they can relate first. It needs to be reasonably communicated for it to be easily duplicated. When duplicated properly it leads to increased affinity.

Based on the following concepts you do not want to be understood. There is something opposing in the way inside you.
In this example you said it would ruin it for you.
Also as you said you use it is a form of "vengence" against others for not understanding and rejecting your experience the whole time.

Do you realize that anything you wish to retaliate outside of you is just the outside reflection what is inside you?
So there must be an aspect of yourself that you reject therefore project outside and externalize, so you can validate your experience.

Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:56 AM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 02, 10:46 AM 2020lol

Gizmo do you understand you have not provided any evidence so far?

You attempted to prove it on MPR but failed.

You attempted to prove it on roulette simulator but failed.

If all you want is recognition then that is your own personal psychological issue. It has nothing to do with a winning method.
Funny. The thread teaches a 3 / 7 stop win and stop loss strategy where I tell how at least two people have reached a confirmed by me 4.66 sessions won at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. I then go on to win two times at 50 wins in a row. Explain those 50 wins in a row without a loss. I did it twice. Then I laid the groundwork for people to use their own human nature to reject it. If you look at the telemetry you can see the tactical changes. Or, don't look. You have all the evidence that you need to conclude what you have. There's something there for everyone. That's 50 wins in a row showing every bet placed. That's far more than I ever gave any student, ever.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: precogmiles on Jul 02, 11:31 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 10:56 AM 2020
Funny. The thread teaches a 3 / 7 stop win and stop loss strategy where I tell how at least two people have reached a confirmed by me 4.66 sessions won at 3 net wins to each lost session at 7 net losses. I then go on to win two times at 50 wins in a row. Explain those 50 wins in a row without a loss. I did it twice. Then I laid the groundwork for people to use their own human nature to reject it. If you look at the telemetry you can see the tactical changes. Or, don't look. You have all the evidence that you need to conclude what you have. There's something there for everyone. That's 50 wins in a row showing every bet placed. That's far more than I ever gave any student, ever.

Ok I see, so any wins in the telemetry means RR works and any losses also mean RR works.

I can't argue with that sort of logic. Imagine if everyone claimed the same thing then all systems are the same as RR?

Or are you saying RR never losses?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: precogmiles on Jul 02, 11:33 AM 2020
Actually I give up on this conversation.

Good luck gizmo I hope you get well soon and get recognition for whatever you want.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 12:55 PM 2020
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 02, 11:31 AM 2020Ok I see, so any wins in the telemetry means RR works and any losses also mean RR works.

I can't argue with that sort of logic. Imagine if everyone claimed the same thing then all systems are the same as RR?

Or are you saying RR never losses?
Don't worry about it. It all comes down to it becoming too late. Funny things about casinos. They get with it every time. They will signal the end or defeat of RR.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Jul 02, 01:01 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 12:55 PM 2020
Don't worry about it. It all comes down to it becoming too late. Funny things about casinos. They get with it every time. They will signal the end or defeat of RR.

Are you still married Giz?
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Steve on Jul 02, 01:15 PM 2020
Gizmo, what you're not understanding is:

1. I do understand what you're saying about singles etc. I just know better and that your theories dont hold water.

You constantly provide "proof" like really short term charts showing loss, then recovery. I mean whats the point? It's meaningless, and you lost on rs anyway.

2. Nothing you've provided in any way substantiates your claims. I mean literally you provided nothing valid. Evem with RS, all you provided was a claim you'd be #1, then you lost and said it was deliberate to mess with people.

So literally you've provided nothing valid to back your claims. Don't get shitty at me for that. I'm not being difficult about it either.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jul 02, 02:45 PM 2020
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 09:16 AM 2020
That does not make sense, unless he behaves in a self-sabotaging manner to maintain his trying too hard to convince others of his worth frame. It is a sick mind-game in that case, or could be unintentional.

He acts like in his posts that he wants to get attention, and someone who do cares about recognition of his work and himself by extension. He regularly bumps his own threads and relentlessly promotes his ideas and achievements.
I hope he see this as tough love.

It is challanging task as most people reject him. This must be his life template of being unrecognized and lonesome, so he had to find his own meaning and prove his worth to himself.

I can partially relate, he may refute this and accuse me of projecting though.

One of the best posts written in this thread, bravo. This is why I think he uses such weird language and concepts to describe what he is doing - “attacking”, “doubling”, “weak side”, “swarms”, etc - it makes him feel special and powerful, while nobody else has any idea of what he is saying.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 02, 02:48 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jul 02, 02:45 PM 2020One of the best posts written in this thread, bravo. This is why I think he uses such weird language and concepts to describe what he is doing - “attacking”, “doubling”, “weak side”, “swarms”, etc - it makes him feel special and powerful, while nobody else has any idea of what he is saying.
Sorry, no baby sitting. Read it, learn from it, or don't. I do not care. Every one of those concepts is either explained or answered by questions in the thread. You are not special enough or important enough to rate. So hug your excuses. They are enough to keep you.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Jul 02, 02:55 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 01:15 PM 2020
Gizmo, what you're not understanding is:

1. I do understand what you're saying about singles etc. I just know better and that your theories dont hold water.

You constantly provide "proof" like really short term charts showing loss, then recovery. I mean whats the point? It's meaningless, and you lost on rs anyway.

2. Nothing you've provided in any way substantiates your claims. I mean literally you provided nothing valid. Evem with RS, all you provided was a claim you'd be #1, then you lost and said it was deliberate to mess with people.

So literally you've provided nothing valid to back your claims. Don't get shitty at me for that. I'm not being difficult about it either.

Gizmontron - you can’t escape these points. I told you a week ago that you lost any credibility that you had, after you claimed you will reach #1 on RS, then lost and then said that you did it on purpose.

Nobody is stopping you from winning on RS now.

Your method uses a progression, with bet selection accuracy no better than random. No thanks - I don’t want to learn that, they are plenty of systems that use progression that do the same.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Jul 02, 05:47 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jul 02, 02:55 PM 2020
Gizmontron - you can’t escape these points. I told you a week ago that you lost any credibility that you had, after you claimed you will reach #1 on RS, then lost and then said that you did it on purpose.

Nobody is stopping you from winning on RS now.

Your method uses a progression, with bet selection accuracy no better than random. No thanks - I don’t want to learn that, they are plenty of systems that use progression that do the same.

Quit being such a jerk.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Ross on Sep 16, 02:50 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Jul 02, 02:45 PM 2020One of the best posts written in this thread, bravo. This is why I think he uses such weird language and concepts to describe what he is doing - “attacking”, “doubling”, “weak side”, “swarms”, etc - it makes him feel special and powerful, while nobody else has any idea of what he is saying.

Many years ago on VLS I described Gizmo's posts as being written in "Gizlish", a language known only to one person in the universe and for which there is no dictionary.

So no change there.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 16, 03:19 PM 2020
Let's play more Gizlish:

QuoteI'm still waiting for the advocate of the trendings/guessings style to show me that they can guess/trend at at a clipm of better than 50 percents, hey hey.

Let's actually put that to a test. Let's see if you can listen.

This thread is about MM and not so much about bet selections, right?

So if I just make blind bet selections I'm going to get waves of win streaks and waves of losing streaks say 25% of the time. Are you with me so far or does that mess with your ability to listen?

Just for the sake of making an example here let's say that a win streak or a losing streak lasts 5 to 7 spins in a row or hands in a row. That makes these little streaks smaller than any super streaks and larger than micro streaks like 3 or 4 in a row. Never the less you can see these win streaks and losing streaks all over the place while you play. I'm saying you can see both types about 25% of the time and that's all. Just for the sake of an example.

Now these streaks came from blind random guesses with no notion that a trend or a pattern was used to find them. No trends were used to see these mini or micro streaks. Are you with me so far? Yet these streaks are all win streaks interspersed with losing streaks. You want proof that using these streaks of wins are expected to do better than using streaks of losing. I'm listening to what you want here.

When I look in my multi group play chart that has six groups made from 12 unique sets I see trends and patterns. If I can make bet selections while a trend or pattern is continuing in a single section of the playing chart then that coincidence is a win streak phase so far . So I can read the chart and see phases of wins and phases of losses.

What you want is proof that I can fund the win streaks and not fund the losing streaks that should at best even things out. That would be my money management over this bet selection process. I chose to fund only the coincidences that are in a win phase. If it is not in a win phase it does not get funded. If I lose at any time after starting to bet a streak I stop funding that win phase. Now you can do the math and say that I must lose half of all first attempted bets on any trend / win phase condition. But that is not true. You must allow for variable change. The math for all spins or hands works out for all the spins or hands. It does not work at all if I don't fund the losing streaks or the chaos streaks.

So I take one net win off of all the win streaks that I bet on, money management. I only want three net wins at the funded price to win a session that then is done, more money management. For you to be right I must lose half of all attempts to take a one net win off of each win phase in a current state of continuing.

I have people that have worked on this at length and are producing a 2 to 1 win to loss averages over many many session tests, that's all of them but one person that prefers ESP. That guy did better than 1 to 1 before he gave up on it.

So I think you must prove to me and everyone that these people getting 2 to 1 win to loss ratios are fooling themselves. There is more evidence that my notion of variable change applies to only funding win streaks while they occur.

I know what I'm suggesting is mathematical. But why does it apply to the game show host problem and not to when all active losing streaks are eliminated from the full possibility.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=cXqDIFUB7YU
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Sep 17, 02:21 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 16, 03:19 PM 2020
Let's play more Gizlish:

Let's actually put that to a test. Let's see if you can listen.

This thread is about MM and not so much about bet selections, right?

So if I just make blind bet selections I'm going to get waves of win streaks and waves of losing streaks say 25% of the time. Are you with me so far or does that mess with your ability to listen?

Just for the sake of making an example here let's say that a win streak or a losing streak lasts 5 to 7 spins in a row or hands in a row. That makes these little streaks smaller than any super streaks and larger than micro streaks like 3 or 4 in a row. Never the less you can see these win streaks and losing streaks all over the place while you play. I'm saying you can see both types about 25% of the time and that's all. Just for the sake of an example.

Now these streaks came from blind random guesses with no notion that a trend or a pattern was used to find them. No trends were used to see these mini or micro streaks. Are you with me so far? Yet these streaks are all win streaks interspersed with losing streaks. You want proof that using these streaks of wins are expected to do better than using streaks of losing. I'm listening to what you want here.

When I look in my multi group play chart that has six groups made from 12 unique sets I see trends and patterns. If I can make bet selections while a trend or pattern is continuing in a single section of the playing chart then that coincidence is a win streak phase so far . So I can read the chart and see phases of wins and phases of losses.

What you want is proof that I can fund the win streaks and not fund the losing streaks that should at best even things out. That would be my money management over this bet selection process. I chose to fund only the coincidences that are in a win phase. If it is not in a win phase it does not get funded. If I lose at any time after starting to bet a streak I stop funding that win phase. Now you can do the math and say that I must lose half of all first attempted bets on any trend / win phase condition. But that is not true. You must allow for variable change. The math for all spins or hands works out for all the spins or hands. It does not work at all if I don't fund the losing streaks or the chaos streaks.

So I take one net win off of all the win streaks that I bet on, money management. I only want three net wins at the funded price to win a session that then is done, more money management. For you to be right I must lose half of all attempts to take a one net win off of each win phase in a current state of continuing.

I have people that have worked on this at length and are producing a 2 to 1 win to loss averages over many many session tests, that's all of them but one person that prefers ESP. That guy did better than 1 to 1 before he gave up on it.

So I think you must prove to me and everyone that these people getting 2 to 1 win to loss ratios are fooling themselves. There is more evidence that my notion of variable change applies to only funding win streaks while they occur.

I know what I'm suggesting is mathematical. But why does it apply to the game show host problem and not to when all active losing streaks are eliminated from the full possibility.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=cXqDIFUB7YU

Still spinning numbers, 👀 see.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Sep 17, 09:28 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 01:15 PM 2020
Gizmo, what you're not understanding is:

1. I do understand what you're saying about singles etc. I just know better and that your theories dont hold water.

You constantly provide "proof" like really short term charts showing loss, then recovery. I mean whats the point? It's meaningless, and you lost on rs anyway.

2. Nothing you've provided in any way substantiates your claims. I mean literally you provided nothing valid. Evem with RS, all you provided was a claim you'd be #1, then you lost and said it was deliberate to mess with people.

So literally you've provided nothing valid to back your claims. Don't get shitty at me for that. I'm not being difficult about it either.

Gizmo, nothing has really changed. There is still no proof, and you still have not addressed this post. Nobody is stopping you from showing a winning record over a large sample size, or inviting one of your students showing proof that they win consistently using RR.

Since you have been doing and teaching this for over 10 years - you should easily be able to do that.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 17, 10:50 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 17, 09:28 AM 2020Gizmo, nothing has really changed. There is still no proof, and you still have not addressed this post. Nobody is stopping you from showing a winning record over a large sample size, or inviting one of your students showing proof that they win consistently using RR.

Since you have been doing and teaching this for over 10 years - you should easily be able to do that.
Nothing is stopping you from finding out for yourself. Please don't. Stay stuck on stupid like the general in New Orleans once said. You don't need me to prove anything. But if I can encourage you to be last in line and too late then I already have what I want in all this.  You are one of the mathZombies that I have decided to torture. That's fun for me. You are my kicking toy. And you are acting perfectly miserable for me. Thank you. Keep it up. Complain all you want. Hahahaha!
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: winforus on Sep 17, 12:26 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 17, 10:50 AM 2020
Nothing is stopping you from finding out for yourself. Please don't. Stay stuck on stupid like the general in New Orleans once said. You don't need me to prove anything. But if I can encourage you to be last in line and too late then I already have what I want in all this.  You are one of the mathZombies that I have decided to torture. That's fun for me. You are my kicking toy. And you are acting perfectly miserable for me. Thank you. Keep it up. Complain all you want. Hahahaha!

I have already found out that you are full of shit and getting a kick out of it. All the people  that have any clue about Roulette know your theories don't hold any water - Steve also has the same opinion. I guess we are all Math Zombies then? Hahaha!
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 17, 12:59 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Sep 17, 12:26 PM 2020I have already found out that you are full of shit and getting a kick out of it. All the people  that have any clue about Roulette know your theories don't hold any water - Steve also has the same opinion. I guess we are all Math Zombies then? Hahaha!
Perfect. Stay cool.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Sep 17, 03:11 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 17, 12:59 PM 2020
Perfect. Stay cool.

Please get some TnA + RnR.  That penultimate post might be a sign of overwork or cognitive stress.  My head hurts from that.  This is not the first time.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 17, 05:22 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Sep 17, 03:11 PM 2020Please get some TnA + RnR.  That penultimate post might be a sign of overwork or cognitive stress.  My head hurts from that.  This is not the first time.
It's just a sign that you are Anal-Retentive.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: Moxy on Sep 17, 06:22 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Sep 17, 05:22 PM 2020
It's just a sign that you are Anal-Retentive.

Let's get a consensus here.  An intervention, if you will.
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: gizmotron2 on Sep 17, 06:49 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Sep 17, 06:22 PM 2020
Let's get a consensus here.  An intervention, if you will.

Let's not
Title: Re: VIDEO 4: Roulette Strategy Secrets | Mistakes to AVOID
Post by: pepper on Sep 18, 10:42 AM 2020
Gizmotron, do you think you're a millionaire?