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I will not be getting one due to the potential of serious, severe side effects. I have been burned by the medical community before due to extreme side effects of a medication, and I won't let it happen again. I know vaccines may not be a "medication", but I have heard that at least one child was paralyzed due to a vaccine. I think there are numerous cases like this.

I will get it becasue it will be around for more than 100 years.  We are still dealing with the original Spanish Flu every year.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 18, 02:12 PM 2020I will get it becasue it will be around for more than 100 years.  We are still dealing with the original Spanish Flu every year.

Are you going to get it every year/every time the medical experts recommend?

These are my theories on coronavirus/flu vaccines:

By the time the vaccine is manufactured, the next new strain of the flu or coronavirus is out. So, what’s the point? I’ll tell you the point.

Getting the previous strain injected into your body must still cause your body to be at least somewhat immune to the current/new strains. Then, what’s the point of getting a new flu shot every year? Probably because the strains start to change too much to where your body’s immunity of the virus goes down.

I don’t know if these theories are correct.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 18, 02:12 PM 2020We are still dealing with the original Spanish Flu every year.

What?
You mean it’s like mutating into new H1N1 viruses, like the one in 2009? The 2009 flu pandemic was the first global flu pandemic in 40 years
link:s://:.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html

Yes, I'm not scared of it. And I think it will be mandatory anyway, since this virus has ruined the world. And I can imagine that you will have to show proof that you are vaccinated before boarding a plane or crossing a border. Maybe even before entering a stadium or concert hall.

Hell No.
If the system forces me to comply I would make sure to get in on paper and land it in the trash bin.

The vaccine isn't about health. It's about control. Either get the vaccine, or the system will reject you.

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Any possible immunity from a vaccine would be temporary anyway. So you'd need to regularly get the vaccine. That's the whole idea.

This has been planned for decades. Even fauci said there would be a surprise pandemic, and he predicted it a year in advance.

Steve,

Can you explain why the Russian elite already got the experimental covid 19 vaccines back in April? How come they don't hesitate and willing to get it? I would have have a hard time to believe that they are all ignorant. (I personally would not get it, but very curious)

link:s://:.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-20/russian-elite-got-experimental-covid-19-vaccine-from-april

I'm sure there are many cures for probably every disease, that we're not told about.

Quote from: ati on Jul 19, 05:10 AM 2020this virus has ruined the world

No, the lies about it by groups with a nefarious agenda caused the problems. The vaccination is just part of it. So are the masks. It's a stepping stone to vaccination id. Ie get your vaccination, or stay at home.

It has been planned for decades.

This was never about lives. You really think they give a shit about the lives of old people??

Seriously, come on. Wake up.

I changed my mind into getting the vaccine, rationalizing that I don't want to risk permanent lung damage.

Then, I changed it back to not getting the vaccine, because there are parts of aborted fetuses in vaccines. This is sick, because I bet there is an alternative to this. It's just not right, imo.

To be clearer: I bet there is an alternative to putting parts of aborted fetuses in vaccines.

Viruses are an ordinary part of our bodies. Pumping our bodies with Frankenstein fragments of DNA, mixed with other likely long-term harmful ingredients, is not the right solution.

But maybe you're forgetting this is not a health issue. It's about CONTROL. It always has been.

There's no way i'm taking the vaccine. And if anyone tries to force a needle into me, I'll stab them in the neck with it. So that's a "no" from me.

I dont expect it will be "forced". At least, not initially. It's more about financial incentive, and "getting back to a normal life". Still, no thanks.

Again this has been planned for a very long time. If everyone knew what this was REALLY about, and what it was leading to, you'd be refusing too.

I changed my mind: I'm getting the vaccine/s. I am taking an educated guess that the benefits will outweigh the risks. The risk of coronavirus I am concerned about is permanent damage to the lungs.

I am guessing that the risk of vaccines from possible side effects is relatively low. No one really knows about the risks of anything, e.g., deodorant, toothpaste, ingredients/chemicals in the foods you eat, pollution in the air you breathe.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 11:48 PM 2020It's about CONTROL.

Maybe. I'm not discounting the possibility, but I just don't see it. Exactly how would this enable a group of people to control us? I suppose you could argue that it would make it easier.

I have reason to believe the following theory/theories I am about to type: I don't think they need an excuse to control anyone. Here's a theory/theories: their powers are so great, there is nothing you can do to stop them. They don't even need an excuse to do what they want. I told everyone on here how I am monitored (at the least) by a group of people 24/7. They can secretly drug you, implant you with anything they want, even vaccinate you without you ever knowing, read your thoughts, etc. They can implant and manipulate your thoughts and even reality with or without you knowing. If you have committed or been accused of a crime, they can manipulate everyone else's thoughts concerning your fate of being let off or charged. They can do this by psychic means and/or advanced technology. They can use the law of attraction, occult like tactics, and mind control technology with great accuracy to place you on the path they find suitable. There are already known cases of the CIA experimenting on the public like MK ultra. I think they or other secret agencies are light years beyond what they did concerning MK ultra.

Then you've given in, and decided to be weak, subservient, and fail to understand you have always been in control. It's your choice.

Basically pepper, you're not there yet. You will be, one day. We all come back to unity, in our own time. Even the people seeking to oppress us. It's just how it works.

From that perspective, which is the biggest picture, nothing really matters, except the experience itself.

Maybe 1 in 100,000 (on this planet) would properly understand what im taking about.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 09:34 AM 2020decided to be weak, subservient

Weak? Subservient? Do you pay your taxes? You may rationalize that you do, because you don’t want to get thrown in jail. If that’s your rationalization, then where do you draw the line? If you would be jailed for not getting a coronavirus vaccine (I know it won’t come down to this), would you accept it?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 11:48 PM 2020And if anyone tries to force a needle into me, I'll stab them in the neck with it.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you’d actually do this (you accepting jail and going through the legal system because of your strong views). I could be wrong, because you appear very adamant on your views.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 21, 10:41 AM 2020Weak? Subservient? Do you pay your taxes? You may rationalize that you do, because you don’t want to get thrown in jail. If that’s your rationalization, then where do you draw the line?

The skin. That's the line.

We are all in the matrix to some degree, for now. By choice. Aware or not. It's a fight to get out.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 21, 10:41 AM 2020If you would be jailed for not getting a coronavirus vaccine (I know it won’t come down to this), would you accept it?

My friend, if you held a gun to my head, i still would not accept it. I'm not scared enough of pain or dying. And i have the benefit of not being scared of a cell.

I will never roll over. I know who i am.

This is not about a stupid vaccine.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 21, 10:41 AM 2020Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you’d actually do this (you accepting jail and going through the legal system because of your strong views). I could be wrong, because you appear very adamant on your views.

You don't know me. I would clearly warn them first. And it's what i would do.

You don't understand, this is literally a war. It's just not like other wars.

I think I'll take it.  I've been red-pilled but it's so heavy, so challenging and troubling to have all the forbidden knowledge.
I prefer being comfortably numb and sink back into the mass.

( sarcastic ).

I think that Pepper did bring up some valid points, at least something to think about.

Is it a fact that covid actually damages the lungs? If so, that can have serious consequences on one's health.

If what you say Steve is 100% true, and things are looking that bad - isn't everyone fuccked anyway? Or what steps (actual action) that one should take in your eyes?

This is the problem with most "conspiracy theorists" - a lot of theories, but no practical info as to what one should do.

You got MSM on one spectrum, and on the other, people spewing very radical theories, (David Icke, Alex Jones, etc) my personal approach is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. David Icke for example totally denied that the virus even exists.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 10:48 AM 2020
The skin. That's the line.

We are all in the matrix to some degree, for now. By choice. Aware or not. It's a fight to get out.

My friend, if you held a gun to my head, i still would not accept it. I'm not scared enough of pain or dying. And i have the benefit of not being scared of a cell.

I will never roll over. I know who i am.

This is not about a stupid vaccine.

You don't know me. I would clearly warn them first. And it's what i would do.

You don't understand, this is literally a war. It's just not like other wars.

Neo?  Is that you?  Get me the oracle and I'll double check with her to verify.

In the Matrix there is very specific tasks to break out of this control.  What the f does Icke want us to do? 

Quote from: winforus on Jul 21, 05:26 PM 2020


You got MSM on one spectrum, and on the other, people spewing very radical theories, (David Icke, Alex Jones, etc) my personal approach is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. David Icke for example totally denied that the virus even exists.

Oh you mean like common sense?

The Future of Humanity. link:s://ia801308.us.archive.org/33/items/Idiocracy_201507/Idiocracy.mp4

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 21, 02:32 PM 2020I've been red-pilled but it's so heavy, so challenging and troubling to have all the forbidden knowledge.

Absolutely. It sucks, but it's the truth.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 21, 02:32 PM 2020I prefer being comfortably numb and sink back into the mass.

Ignorance is bliss.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Jul 21, 02:32 PM 2020( sarcastic ).

I fukn hope so.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 21, 05:26 PM 2020I think that Pepper did bring up some valid points, at least something to think about.

They are points of a submissive slave. It's the easy route.

It's the choice of temporary pain but freedom (maybe about 10 years of difficulty), OR smooth sailing but extreme limitation.

What's going to happen is the world will be split in two. It will be divided: people who see and resist, and the people who give-in. It's happening all around us.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 21, 05:26 PM 2020Is it a fact that covid actually damages the lungs? If so, that can have serious consequences on one's health.

Oh boy. The ongoing vaccinations will do far more harm.

Coronavirus is a damn flu. It has a mortality rate no worse than the seasonal flu. It is just being lied about, and made worse in every possible way. Like when the murderer Cuomo ordered over 4000 COVID patients into NURSING HOMES, where it could do the most damage. I mean could you make it any clearer?? It is not incompetence. It's deliberate murder, for an agenda.

That's just ONE thing. Once you know more, you CAN'T NOT conclude this is deliberate. Everything from the media lies, to official policies from the WHO, CDC etc. We are AT WAR. Literally.

It's all so convincing when the lies are everywhere. From Google, to your home TV. Everywhere except a few independent media companies, which cant compete with Google, Facebook, Twitter, CNN etc.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 21, 05:26 PM 2020If what you say Steve is 100% true, and things are looking that bad - isn't everyone fuccked anyway?

I hate to say it, but yes, we're fucked. We are fucked REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU CHOOSE. But you have to choose between temporary difficulty but freedom, OR relative ease but literal slavery.

So it's having balls, vs being chickenshit.

Most people don't see enough, to understand where being chickenshit will get them. It's not pretty. It's not just "going along with it".

We are on the edge of a massive change. It's an evolutionary leap. It's the turning point.

And while most people say "how can we beat this system that has us all hopelessly enslaved". And they're forgetting things like:

* These elite are losing control. The whole financial system is unsustainable and about to collapse. That's why the interest rates are so low. It's a house of cards.

* People are waking up. They elite have run out of time. They are not powerful like you think. They are WEAK. Their only power comes from us thinking they have the power. It's exactly like "The Wizard of Oz". In fact that story is all about the elite. The yellow brick road is the path. And in the end, all you really needed are things like brains (research and think), BALLS (courage), and a heart (wake up and understand yourself).

Consider how BLM movement washed over the USA and there wasnt a damn thing done about it. The elite deliberately allowed it though, and even funded it. But it wasn't resisted from the other side for some time. BLM even created their own micronation. But it didn't survive because it imploded. That was one small area. Now imagine if pockets like that happening ALL OVER THE WORLD. There is no way the elite could control it. We outnumber them like 10,000:1. Their power is all an illusion. With TV, internet, news etc.

The whole system is going down. The elite have been using "betting progression" for too long, and they're about to go broke. Like what has happened in countries like Venezuela. So the system needs to be replaced, for them to maintain control. And that's what the New World Order is.

These elite aren't all-powerful. They are on their knees. And we need to take advantage of that.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 21, 05:26 PM 2020This is the problem with most "conspiracy theorists" - a lot of theories, but no practical info as to what one should do.

I'm not a "theorist".

And you're absolutely right. That's how most of the awake people are. No solutions. Try this:

1. Stop blaming others.
You are in control. You always are.

2. Start using cryptocurrencies.
Use decentralized exchanges where privacy is maintained. They are the future of currency. The bankers are making their own digital currencies for use in government. Those are not decentralized cryptocurrencies.

3. Educate yourself and others.
Learn properly. And dont push "unsubstantiated theories", or you'll do more harm than good. Back up what you say.

4. Question everything.
There is bullshit all around you. Google, facebook, twitter and TV are the main parts.

5. Do NOT rely on violence.
It's not that kind of war. Violence will only give the elite more of an excuse to take power. That's why they literally pay agitators at things like protests.

6. Respect the police.
Don't defund them, or something far worse will replace them. Unless they continue to serve the wrong group.
Yes some police are cunts. But the vast majority of them are good people, just trying to do the right thing. And when they see who they've been the right arm of, they'll be more inclined to resist, in their own way. It's already happening. But for now, police that speak out are often fired. In other cases, entire police departments are standing. It will happen more.

7. Support technology development.
Do you really think an affordable house is $500k and a lifetime of debt (for most people)? Do you really think Earth is over-populated? Check out some satellite photos. Look carefully, then tell me we're over-populated.

8. Stop letting fear control you.
We all die. You'll die one way or another. When it's your time, do you really think you'll say "gee I'm glad I bent over for them, and let them control my life"?

9. Don't focus on anger.
Sure, be angry. But dont dwell on it.

10. Demand (TAKE) rights with your own land.
It's currently "illegal" to do certain things with your own land. Some parts are justified, most are not. In the end, most people are just going to do what they need to survive. The elite are already trying to control food supply. They want to forbid you from even growing your own food. That's the whole idea behind genetically modified plants.

11. Start standing up for others.
Stop worrying only about yourself. We are in this together. Helping others is helping you too.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 21, 05:26 PM 2020You got MSM on one spectrum, and on the other, people spewing very radical theories, (David Icke, Alex Jones, etc) my personal approach is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. David Icke for example totally denied that the virus even exists.

Alex Jones is not "radical". That's just how he looks, because he sees, and is rightfully mad as hell.

David Icke is mostly right, but most people are so far behind his understanding, that David looks like a kook.

Both of them have been wrong about some things, and you bet their mistakes are used to the advantage of MSM for propaganda. I find them about 95% accurate - pretty damn good. Their mistakes are no comparison to the outright and blatant lies of MSM like CNN, and the absolute atrocities of the elite.

A bit about how these vaccinations may damage your DNA forever:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=zI-5LIzdOB4

Some of you really need to start researching the shit out of this.

Coronavirus also may be damaging your balls and fertility.

link:s://:.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3087427/coronavirus-may-damage-testicles-without-entering-cells-study

There's a lot more. KEEP DIGGING.

Again, we are literally AT WAR. The vaccine is injecting you with Frankenstein DNA. We have no idea what this might do to us. This is not just like a measles or whatever vaccination.

Also BILL GATES is a known eugenicist. His FATHER was a eugenicist. There are some very odd things about the guy.

The vaccine could very well lead to significant drops in fertility rates, for POPULATION CONTROL. That's what Bill Gates and these people have said they want, many times. Watch Bill Gates slip up here:

link:s://youtu.be/JaF-fq2Zn7I?t=271

This guy wants the whole world vaccinated. Really, keep digging. It gets worse, and worse and worse. Until the point where you'll see what's happening is bigger than anything that has ever happened in our recorded history.

(link:s://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0WQWIGIAAAiO6f?format=jpg&name=small)



Track it back and you'll see Fauci's correlation to the Wuhan virus lab. This guy is definitely part of the agenda.

Got this one from Tony Robbins:

link:s://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/28/secondwave

It's a big read, take your time. Still only part of the picture.

What happening today will be tomorrow's history lesson. Wake up and be on the right side of history.

This one is interesting.

NIH study finds its actually possible to create coronavirus via 5G:

link:s://:.scribd.com/document/470042130/Fiora-Nell-i

Quote“DNA is built from charged electrons and atoms and has an inductor-like structure. This structure could be divided into linear, toroid and round inductors. Inductors interact with external electromagnetic waves, move and produce some extra waves within the cells. The shapes of these waves are similar to shapes of hexagonal and pentagonal bases of their DNA source. These waves produce some holes in liquids within the nucleus. To fill these holes, some extra hexagonal and pentagonal bases are produced. These bases could join to each other and form virus-like structures such as Coronavirus.”

“To produce these viruses within a cell, it is necessary that the wavelength of external waves be shorter than the size of the cell. Thus 5G millimeter waves could be good candidates for applying in constructing virus-like structures such as Coronaviruses (COVID-19) within cells.”

At the start, i thought it was theoretically possible because everything is vibration, but unlikely. And more on the side of crackpot stuff. Maybe we should look deeper.

We already know 5G can easily be used to decrease oxygen in blood, and viruses thrive with low oxygen (not helped by MASKS).

Remember, viruses aren't actually alive. They're just stands of shit like dna that replicate and need a host.

The way i see it, 5g isn't the cause. Maybe Icke was right though, we may never know. I'm not convinced at this stage. But i think easily it could make health and a pandemic far worse.  Still it wouldn't be as effective as forcing covid patients into NURSING HOMES.

Seriously, fucking wake up. There's so much more to it.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020

Oh boy. The ongoing vaccinations will do far more harm.

Can you describe in more detail, the major harm that it will do to one's health?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020
I hate to say it, but yes, we're fucked. We are fucked REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU CHOOSE.

If we are fucked and there is nothing that can be done to change the outcome, why should think and spend energy on this at all?

Wouldn't the time be better spent on personal development and spiritual growth, instead of on theorizing this?

I personally have not seen any known, highly conscious spiritual teacher/guru, talking about this stuff.  (people like Eckhart Tolle for example). Why do you think this is?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020

* These elite are losing control. The whole financial system is unsustainable and about to collapse. That's why the interest rates are so low. It's a house of cards.

That's what guys like Alex Jones have been saying for the past 20 years - that dollar was going to collapse, etc. But it hasn't happened. In fact, some predicted it would have already happened a long while back. Say 10 more years pass and nothing happens, are you going to continue saying this?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020
And you're absolutely right. That's how most of the awake people are. No solutions. Try this:

1. Stop blaming others.
You are in control. You always are.

2. Start using cryptocurrencies.
Use decentralized exchanges where privacy is maintained. They are the future of currency. The bankers are making their own digital currencies for use in government. Those are not decentralized cryptocurrencies.

3. Educate yourself and others.
Learn properly. And dont push "unsubstantiated theories", or you'll do more harm than good. Back up what you say.

4. Question everything.
There is bullshit all around you. Google, facebook, twitter and TV are the main parts.

5. Do NOT rely on violence.
It's not that kind of war. Violence will only give the elite more of an excuse to take power. That's why they literally pay agitators at things like protests.

6. Respect the police.
Don't defund them, or something far worse will replace them. Unless they continue to serve the wrong group.
Yes some police are cunts. But the vast majority of them are good people, just trying to do the right thing. And when they see who they've been the right arm of, they'll be more inclined to resist, in their own way. It's already happening. But for now, police that speak out are often fired. In other cases, entire police departments are standing. It will happen more.

7. Support technology development.
Do you really think an affordable house is $500k and a lifetime of debt (for most people)? Do you really think Earth is over-populated? Check out some satellite photos. Look carefully, then tell me we're over-populated.

These are the things that everyone should be doing regardless if anything that you said here is true or not.

But where are the practical steps and solutions, as in to stopping the "elites" from executing their plan?  If there is none - then what is the point of even thinking about it?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020

8. Stop letting fear control you.

The irony, is that the stuff that you mentioned in this thread, plus what guys like Alex Jones say, invokes fear in MANY people. And presidents like Trump, use fear to gain votes. I don't see how a person could read this stuff all day and think that they are at WAR - without being in fear!

What I personally found, is that I feel much better and present in my everyday life when I don't read or think about any of this stuff at all. Vs reading different theories and thinking about the outcomes.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020
9. Don't focus on anger.
Sure, be angry. But dont dwell on it.

This doesn't make any sense Steve. Most of the time, anger is an indication that a person is not present, and usually comes from the ego (identification with mind)

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020
Alex Jones is not "radical". That's just how he looks, because he sees, and is rightfully mad as hell.

I personally don't fully trust him or his inforwars website. While his site provides some truthful info, I have seen a lot of manipulations + lies to get people to buy his products.

When you observe how he interviews people - he is unable to stop himself from cutting others off. His behavior in general, is very much in line of somebody who is self-absorbed and narcissistic. Do you not see this?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 08:31 PM 2020

David Icke is mostly right, but most people are so far behind his understanding, that David looks like a kook.

While he may be right on a lot of things - denying that covid exists certainly undermined his credibility.

My view is that the truth is somewhere in the middle - thus I like to view things from different perspectives, without getting attached to one.

You're in a reasonable frame of mind. You just need more information, and to broaden your view. It's not an insult. It's more a compliment because you don't appear to be closed off.

I'll give a detailed response in time.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 06:52 AM 2020
You're in a reasonable frame of mind. You just need more information, and to broaden your view. It's not an insult. It's more a compliment because you don't appear to be closed off.

I'll give a detailed response in time.

I am open-minded to different perspectives, and certainly find a lot of interest in what you post in regards to this stuff - as you seem to be level headed, and spiritually developed. This is not the case for majority of other people who hold the same views as you.

I have met people though that are total nut heads, that read infowars all day, and live in total paranoia. 9 years ago, my friend who was living in USA, made a bet with me that within 6 months the dollar was going to crash, etc, and of course he lost the bet. He also lost his mind, and moved to a 3rd world country, later regretting his decision. When I kept asking him, where do you get this info from, how do you know, etc, he told me: you need to do your research man! Do the research! He sent me links from infowars, and youtube videos...

And another guy, was stocking up on food, guns, etc - he believed that all hell was going to break loose and of course he got all his info from sites like infowars.

This is why I am skeptical and don't totally buy into the narrative that infowars feed, but at the same time, I have the same skepticism when it comes to MSM.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020Can you describe in more detail, the major harm that it will do to one's health?

First, you need a lot of broad information about what has been happening. I can summarize things, but you'll need to do a lot of research to properly understand it.

The answer for this question is complicated, because there are many parts to it. Some parts are below:

1. Part is not about vaccines. This part has nothing to do with health. It has to do with compliance and control. IT IS A STEPPING STONE, like the masks arent really about health (it's a psychological thing).

The vaccinations wont just be one-time thing. It will be a regular thing, like maybe twice yearly. Even where the vaccinations wont be compulsory, life will be made difficult if you dont get vaccinations. Like already in some areas you cant even shop without a mask.

2. Some vaccinations do more good than potential harm. Those are thoroughly tested. The covid vaccination is rushed. Proper testing would literally take YEARS because some major effects may not be known for even 5 or so YEARS. When you consider the leading contending companies like Johnson & Johnson, and Moderna, there are some big questions. But that's a whole other story. I mean even Johnson & Johnson's BABY POWDER caused cancer, so they were ordered to pay over $6 billion in damages. I don't trust these companies.

I don't trust being injected with what is essentially improperly tested frankenstein DNA, that actually changes your DNA. Some of the ingredients of past vaccinations are appalling. I mean literally aborted baby cells. And back then, we were assured it was SAFE.

Do you know how many drugs are approved by the FDA, then later recalled because they're unsafe? The FDA approves drugs based on the testing from the company that made the drug. Look it up. Once the damage is done, the FDA recalls THOUSANDS of drugs each year. BECAUSE THE DRUG WAS NEVER PROPERLY TESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And you want to vaccinate the entire world, with a vaccination for a type of virus that has NEVER been done before, and rush it out, when the mortality rate is NO DIFFERENT TO THE SEASONAL FLU??

Are you fucking nuts?

And that's justr part of the story. You also have the rife manipulation, the pushing of the agenda by typical people, the banks and their sudden change in policies, the sudden changes in laws for bail-in, and the list goes on and on and on.

Like I said, you need a lot of background knowledge to understand what's really happening. And again, WE ARE AT WAR.

The average person has no fucking clue.

Based on what I know, all of this is headed towards vaccinations that use NANOTECHNOLOGY. I mean literally nanobots that modify your DNA.

It is all being done step by step. And because the steps are gradual, most people just dont see it. That's WHY it's step by step.

What's the end goal? Trans-humanism and connecting people to the smart grid, for the ultimate control over you.

But wait, it sounds like crackpot theory, right? Before you say that, thoroughly research Moderna and their nanotechnology in vaccinations.

I could spend all day here backing everything up with facts. Realistically I think maybe 1 in 50,000-100,000 people are aware of the information needed to really see what's happening. The average person has no idea at all. Because it takes DECADES to research and properly absorb the information. You can't realistically learn it all in months, at least to the point where you really see it.

But you can get a crash course. The problem with that is it leaves room for doubt and skepticism. A healthy dose of skepticism is important. I've been well through those stages, and am now at the point where I'm seeing "Holy shit, this is really happening. They're doing it. These people are fucking nuts."

I have a lot to say in these matters, but I'll try and keep it briefer for now. But I will say the information is already available. You will get a LOT from :.gaia.com. You will get some parts on Youtube, but largely censored - and mixed in with a pig shit mess. So you need to initially take everything with a grain of salt, and eventually piece it all together but only with the CREDIBLE AND VERIFIABLE INFORMATION.

Forget the "theories" without proof. Real proof includes things like company press releases, research papers, catching media lying, and new laws. It's all around us.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020If we are fucked and there is nothing that can be done to change the outcome, why should think and spend energy on this at all?

When the Nazis were trying to take over the world, maybe we should have just laid down. Right?

Or maybe, we realized we're fucked either way. They're coming. We can either roll over and comply, and HEIL HITLA!.... OR.... fight for our lives.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020Wouldn't the time be better spent on personal development and spiritual growth, instead of on theorizing this?

This IS exactly that. EXACTLY THAT.

But if you mean go meditate on a rock somewhere, you go do that. Why didn't people just do that when the Nazis were coming?

But this war is not so much physical. It's most a spiritual war. And the biggest threat to the elite is independent thought, from people who understand who they are. Because then they wont be fooled by the lies. The truth is a very simple and the best weapon in this case.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020I personally have not seen any known, highly conscious spiritual teacher/guru, talking about this stuff.  (people like Eckhart Tolle for example). Why do you think this is?

I find the opposite. I haven't seen a single truly spiritually enlightened AND educated person who cant see what's happening.

A spiritually enlightened person alone in the first might feel something isn't quite right. They might come to the city, and comply with rules because they aren't educated about what's happening.

An educated person in the city will look at the data, and see something isn't right. But if they're not spiritually evolved, they will probably just still OBEY.

A person who's both spiritually evolved AND educated will be jumping up and down, because they see what's happening, and blind clueless people are all around them, and they just wont wake up.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020That's what guys like Alex Jones have been saying for the past 20 years - that dollar was going to collapse, etc. But it hasn't happened. In fact, some predicted it would have already happened a long while back. Say 10 more years pass and nothing happens, are you going to continue saying this?

Do you know what has happened to Venezuela's currency? Do you know why?

The only reason it hasnt happened to the USD yet is because they keep printing money (quantitative easing), and there is still confidence in the USD.

The USD was doomed long ago. Just look at the debt level. Do you understand it means either the debt needs to be reset (with a new system in place), or the debt just keeps growing? The debt will NEVER be re-paid.

The financial system is in shambles.

In the last recession, banks went bankrupt (on paper). So we had bail-ins, where tax-payer money was used to help them. Remember what happened in Greece though, where funds were literally stolen by banks from people's accounts.

Now the bail-in laws (much the same shit as bail-out laws) were created, because people complained about bail-out laws.

What does it mean? It means the banks will literally steal funds from your account when shit hits the fan. Just considering Australia, we are now banned from $10,000+ cash transactions, so there's the push to cashless. There's the push towards digital currency - as has been for ages. And they're rushing through the bail-in laws, and the legislators REFUSE to put in writing that funds from ordinary people wont be used to prop up the banks. They refuse to do it and are lying because that's literally the whole point of bail-in laws.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020Say 10 more years pass and nothing happens, are you going to continue saying this?

Do you really think the economy is getting "better"? Do you really think perpetually-growing "debt" is just how things are going to be forever?

Things havent totally crashed because of reasons like every 7-10 or so years in recent times, there's a recession. Everything goes to shit, people lose lots of money in stocks etc. Those crashes are deliberate. They are what sustains the bankers.

You have to understand they keep propping themselves up with bail-outs, bail-ins, corrupt laws, orchestrated recessions that enable them to buy stocks for pennies, etc.

We are moving towards a cashless society. You ask "when", it's happening all around us.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020These are the things that everyone should be doing regardless if anything that you said here is true or not.

Should be doing, but are not doing.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020But where are the practical steps and solutions, as in to stopping the "elites" from executing their plan?  If there is none - then what is the point of even thinking about it?

The steps largely STARVE THE SYSTEM. They are leeches. They cannot survive without mass compliance. Maybe what you're not understanding is as these pockets of resistance grow, who dont depend on the system anymore, they will begin to lose control.

Through things like Agenda 21, they'll attempt to stop people living free. Whether they have no carbon footprint or not. Its not about the environment. If it was, they'd be planting lots more trees - forests. It's about control.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020The irony, is that the stuff that you mentioned in this thread, plus what guys like Alex Jones say, invokes fear in MANY people.

REALITY. Not fear.

What you say is like saying "The Nazis are coming. But dont alert people. We dont want people to be afraid." But it's different in this case, because it's more a spiritual war. So fear is the wrong word.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020And presidents like Trump, use fear to gain votes.

Holy shit, do you know what the elite do to get power? They are literally the biggest terrorist group in history.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020I don't see how a person could read this stuff all day and think that they are at WAR - without being in fear!

Fear is not the right word. Alex does not promote FEAR. If you think he does, you're not understanding him. He promotes awareness.

It is not "fear" to be aware and rightfully concerned. And it's not fear to be aggressively defiant - not because you're arrogant, but because you are passionate about life and freedom. Because your'e awake.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020What I personally found, is that I feel much better and present in my everyday life when I don't read or think about any of this stuff at all. Vs reading different theories and thinking about the outcomes.

Ignorance is never a good thing. Will it "make things better"?

Whether you like it or not, it's all on your doorstep.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020This doesn't make any sense Steve. Most of the time, anger is an indication that a person is not present, and usually comes from the ego (identification with mind)

Actually what you said doesn't make sense.

Anger is a natural human emotion. It has its place on Earth, but only if you dont dwell on it. Otherwise what could be a force to make you do something, it becomes counterproductive, because you would then always focus on what "they" are doing, instead of what you should be doing.

In other words, prolonged anger is a distraction and block.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020I personally don't fully trust him or his inforwars website. While his site provides some truthful info, I have seen a lot of manipulations + lies to get people to buy his products.

I havent seen him lie about his products. I find he's very transparent about the benefits and limitations of his products, and that sales are what fund infowars.

Quote from: winforus on Jul 23, 06:30 AM 2020When you observe how he interviews people - he is unable to stop himself from cutting others off.

I've been following Alex for about 15 years. Maybe you haven't seen him enough. Alex is a very passionate and knowledgeable person, and he clearly genuinely cares for people. That's partly why he's mad as hell.

I dont think he's narcissistic. I saw in his younger years, he was more arrogant and "in your face". That's partly an age thing. Now I see he has matured more. But his passion is rightfully relentless, and he despises with a passion these elite. And that spite towards them can be construed as arrogance or narcissism.

Anyway I hope people will start looking into this deeper. I want to explain a lot more, but the information is already available. You just have to research it. But again dont expect you'll know anywhere near enough, even in a few weeks. Keep digging, and you'll see more and more. If you want a good shortcut, subscribe the :.gaia.com but even then it's literally months of learning.

Again you really just need to do the research. Infowars does a great job. It's not just Alex Jones - he started it though. But with any source you need to actually check the information for yourself. I dont agree with everything they say, although again they're correct about almost everything.

This is part of where the vaccination is going:

link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5f1a266768370e02f29874b6

It is quite easy:

If you don´t like vaccine, then don´t get it.
If you die it is like vaccine for all others.

The truth about Alex Jones.

link:s://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alex_Jones

Any time anything interesting happens anywhere on Earth, there's a 100% chance Jones has found "proof" it is either (1) a false flag operation by the New World Order or (2) a "massive coverup operation" run by the New World Order. No exceptions. You would think the white coats would have taken him away in a straightjacket by now New World Order would've eliminated this widely-known bearer of all their secrets, but nope. For some reason they see fit to let him continue.    ;D

And anyone who takes infowars.com seriously shouldn't be taken seriously (yeah, I know Steve, I'm thick, asleep, etc)  ;D

It just goes to show, some people really are retarded.

You'll know. Eventually.

At some point, generations will look back on the stupid people and wonder what the fuck they were thinking.

Billionaires like Soros CARE about black lives.

Bill Gates CARES about your health.

Wall st. bankers CARE about you.

They all care about lives. Which is why they dont fund research to prevent major causes of death live heart disease and cancer. But they'll fund other things that just seem to expand their power. It's coincidence.

The covid infection rate is spiralling out of control, while the death rates are going down. It's all about the lives of people. BILLIONAIRES CARE ABOUT OLD PEOPLE.

There's no problem with the statistical reporting of covid infection and death rates. It's all good.

The censorship of the real data from doctors treating covid is for the best.

The Iraqi war was about freedom for Iraqis. Saddam had WMD. Not sure where, but he had them. And he was supporting terrorist and Osama. Not sure how, but he was.

Should I go on?

Some of you are REAL FUCKING STUPID. You don't even know WHAT you are criticizing.

The problem isn't just you are STUPID. It's also that you aren't even doing proper research, and are GULLIBLE. But that comes with being stupid.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 24, 04:09 AM 2020
It just goes to show, some people really are retarded.

Steve, insults are not arguments. Yes, I'll know 'eventually', just like you and Jones have been predicting for years.  :yawn:

To  be honest, I think you should get some help. You're into this shit so deep you can't see anything else. It's actually quite disturbing.  It's a great example of what can happen when someone spends hours and hours 'researching' crap on youtube.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 24, 04:23 AM 2020
The problem isn't just you are STUPID. It's also that you aren't even doing proper research, and are GULLIBLE. But that comes with being stupid.

How do you know that you know all the truth?

Joe, I made some "arguments" backed by fact. The problem is some people are literally too stupid to understand them.

If you cant understand simple things, you wont understand more. That's why I havent bothered.

Quote from: Joe on Jul 24, 04:29 AM 2020I'll know 'eventually', just like you and Jones have been predicting for years.

Seriously, WHAT?? It's happening right now you brainless moron. IT IS ALL AROUND YOU. IT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.

Holy shit, are you really THAT dumb? I mean wow. This world is fucked. I may as well get a drink, watch it unfold and laugh. It's incredible. Really.

Quote from: winkel on Jul 24, 04:31 AM 2020How do you know that you know all the truth?

I said that already. I consider fact to be things like law, legislation, REALITY, policies, research papers, company press releases etc.

Winkel, they don't know the truth, but conspiracies theories are comforting for people who like to think there's something or someone in control. It's less scary than the truth, which is nobody is really in control and we're all basically at the mercy of random stuff. Shit happens Steve, deal with it.

Quote from: Joe on Jul 24, 04:29 AM 2020To  be honest, I think you should get some help. You're into this shit so deep you can't see anything else. It's actually quite disturbing.  It's a great example of what can happen when someone spends hours and hours 'researching' crap on youtube.

In time Joe, you'll know better. You can criticize someone for swearing they have the HG with the Martingale, thinking they're utterly clueless. It's strange to you, because they really don't see it.

But you've got no idea you're a flat Earther.

Some shit "just happens". But you need to have brains and information to see when shit is caused by assholes.

Joe, I cant help you. So many of you really are completely lost. I'm speechless, at how utterly blind some of you are.

But again, you will know in time. And you'll look back here wondering WTF.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 24, 04:35 AM 2020
I said that already. I consider fact to be things like law, legislation, REALITY, policies, research papers, company press releases etc.

like FOX-News?

Steve, the last thing I need is your 'help'. Get out out a bit more, away from youtube. Go for a hike and enjoy some of your countryside before it's been burned to a crisp by global warming (something which Jones denies exists, BTW. It's clowns like him who are contributing to doing nothing about it).

Joe, it's not youtube. Good luck.

Winkel, fox news might report some of it. But that's not what i referred to. Read what i wrote.

FOX news is actually pretty honest; you can't compare it with inforwars.com which is just conspiracy theory crap. The NY Times is truthful too :

link:s://:.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/nyregion/alex-jones-coronavirus-cure.html

The man is a real piece of work.

And the brainless comments keep on coming.

Anything that helps your immune system fights viruses. Thousands of doctors say the same thing. Show me one doctor that said otherwise.

But because of confirmation bias, and a small mind, you cite a biased article taking Alex out of context.

Again joe, good luck.

No Steve, it's obvious you didn't even read the article because you're such a Jones fanboy.

Jones said his toothpaste “kills the whole SARS-corona family at point-blank range.”

Which is claiming a lot more than merely helping the immune system to fight viruses. He's trying to cash in on people's fear and ignorance. What a scumbag.

It's pointless arguing with you. You've been brainwashed.  ::)

I personally know the owner of a major company developing a vaccine. And they purchased a shitload of GARLIC for all their staff. They're a notable virologist. There was so much left over even I got some.

Did you want to attack them too? Call them a kook?

Btw, SOAP kills the coronavirus. Yes, soap. At point blank range.

Another thing is alcohol hand rub. And you do know, that the mouth is a lot more infectious than hands. Right? You've taken one twisted point, and that's all you have.

Wash your hands. But don't say wash your mouth. That's what kooks say, right?

Look joe, im on your side. But you're really too thick to understand.

As my friend said, a virologist, covid is piss weak. The only thing that makes it different is it's replication rate, and it's highly infectious. But it ain't that deadly.

I really do feel sorry for you joe. Much like when a flat earther professes earth to be flat. But i still look at them wondering wtf.

Seriously? He was claiming that his toothpaste prevented catching the virus, which soap can't do either. I guess the FDA are as thick as me too, then? Oh, I forgot, they're part of the conspiracy too.  :yawn:

And his dietary supplements have been shown to be worthless.

link:s://thecounter.org/would-you-buy-supplements-from-alex-jones/

Show me where he said his toothpaste prevented catching covid.

Yes, the FDA are thick. Or more that they're just business. That's exactly why they declare thousands of drugs are safe one year, then recall thousands when they're proven unsafe. Thousands.

Thats what happens when the FDA is competent, and all about safety. Right?

And that's why they conduct armed raids on people selling COW MILK. Deadly cow milk. Nothing to do with big business.

As for supplements, you do understand that supplements like zinc and vitamin c help the immune system, right? Except when "infowars" is on the bottle, of course.

What's the real issue here joe? You really think blm is about black lives?

You really think the world is spending Trillions because big business and pharma really care.... about the lives of old people?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
First, you need a lot of broad information about what has been happening. I can summarize things, but you'll need to do a lot of research to properly understand it.

The answer for this question is complicated, because there are many parts to it. Some parts are below:

1. Part is not about vaccines. This part has nothing to do with health. It has to do with compliance and control. IT IS A STEPPING STONE, like the masks arent really about health (it's a psychological thing).

The vaccinations wont just be one-time thing. It will be a regular thing, like maybe twice yearly. Even where the vaccinations wont be compulsory, life will be made difficult if you dont get vaccinations. Like already in some areas you cant even shop without a mask.

2. Some vaccinations do more good than potential harm. Those are thoroughly tested. The covid vaccination is rushed. Proper testing would literally take YEARS because some major effects may not be known for even 5 or so YEARS. When you consider the leading contending companies like Johnson & Johnson, and Moderna, there are some big questions. But that's a whole other story. I mean even Johnson & Johnson's BABY POWDER caused cancer, so they were ordered to pay over $6 billion in damages. I don't trust these companies.

I don't trust being injected with what is essentially improperly tested frankenstein DNA, that actually changes your DNA. Some of the ingredients of past vaccinations are appalling. I mean literally aborted baby cells. And back then, we were assured it was SAFE.

Do you know how many drugs are approved by the FDA, then later recalled because they're unsafe? The FDA approves drugs based on the testing from the company that made the drug. Look it up. Once the damage is done, the FDA recalls THOUSANDS of drugs each year. BECAUSE THE DRUG WAS NEVER PROPERLY TESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And you want to vaccinate the entire world, with a vaccination for a type of virus that has NEVER been done before, and rush it out, when the mortality rate is NO DIFFERENT TO THE SEASONAL FLU??

I agree with you here, I personally don't trust the vaccines and those are valid points. The question for me is - is there a plot with the "powerful elite" colluding and doing this on purpose, or is it done due to greediness and incompetence of the people?

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020

The average person has no fucking clue.

I could spend all day here backing everything up with facts. Realistically I think maybe 1 in 50,000-100,000 people are aware of the information needed to really see what's happening. The average person has no idea at all. Because it takes DECADES to research and properly absorb the information. You can't realistically learn it all in months, at least to the point where you really see it.

If only 1 out of 50-100k people know what you know and it takes decades to research and verify, then we are all fucked right? Unless you can convince a large amount of people to buy into what you are saying, without verifying 100% for it to be factual.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
I have a lot to say in these matters, but I'll try and keep it briefer for now. But I will say the information is already available. You will get a LOT from :.gaia.com. You will get some parts on Youtube, but largely censored - and mixed in with a pig shit mess. So you need to initially take everything with a grain of salt, and eventually piece it all together but only with the CREDIBLE AND VERIFIABLE INFORMATION.

Forget the "theories" without proof. Real proof includes things like company press releases, research papers, catching media lying, and new laws. It's all around us.

I am aware of gaia.com and I certainly trust this website, I will try to check out some of the stuff when I have time.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020

But if you mean go meditate on a rock somewhere, you go do that. Why didn't people just do that when the Nazis were coming?

Yes meditation is a big part. So is self-inquiry, yoga, psychedelics, etc. Have you studied anything related to non-duality? I am talking about real spirituality, where a person gets to the core of the being.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
I find the opposite. I haven't seen a single truly spiritually enlightened AND educated person who cant see what's happening.

A spiritually enlightened person alone in the first might feel something isn't quite right. They might come to the city, and comply with rules because they aren't educated about what's happening.

I don't think you understood my question, let me say it again more clearly:

How come, no known spiritual leader, teacher, or a highly conscious person is talking about this? If you are aware of somebody, then please give me a link.

I am talking about guys like Eckhart Tolle, Sadhguru, Rupert Spira, Wim Hoff, and the list goes on. NONE of them talk about this stuff. Why do you think this is? Are they just ignorant or maybe they don't view it the same way that you see this? All of those guys are highly educated, and their wisdom goes beyond intelligence. A guy like Alex Jones looks like a child compared to them, in terms of his level of consciousness.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
Do you know what has happened to Venezuela's currency? Do you know why?

The only reason it hasnt happened to the USD yet is because they keep printing money (quantitative easing), and there is still confidence in the USD.

The USD was doomed long ago. Just look at the debt level. Do you understand it means either the debt needs to be reset (with a new system in place), or the debt just keeps growing? The debt will NEVER be re-paid.

The financial system is in shambles.

In the last recession, banks went bankrupt (on paper). So we had bail-ins, where tax-payer money was used to help them. Remember what happened in Greece though, where funds were literally stolen by banks from people's accounts.

Now the bail-in laws (much the same shit as bail-out laws) were created, because people complained about bail-out laws.

Do you really think the economy is getting "better"? Do you really think perpetually-growing "debt" is just how things are going to be forever?

I agree it's not getting any better, but it certainly does not mean it will 100% crash. A new system may come into place or the debt may be reset.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020

REALITY. Not fear.

What you say is like saying "The Nazis are coming. But dont alert people. We dont want people to be afraid." But it's different in this case, because it's more a spiritual war. So fear is the wrong word.

The Nazis was a clear threat that everyone could see, once the war started. A person could be alert and aware, without panic, while taking practical steps to fight.

A person who is reading what you are writing or infowars, assumes BAD shit will happen to them in the future event, begins to stress out about it, while not taking any practical steps (because there aren't any). This is fear.

What good does it do to you worrying about the future, without not having the ability to change it? That is fear to me.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
Fear is not the right word. Alex does not promote FEAR. If you think he does, you're not understanding him. He promotes awareness.

It is not "fear" to be aware and rightfully concerned. And it's not fear to be aggressively defiant - not because you're arrogant, but because you are passionate about life and freedom. Because your'e awake.

I strongly disagree with you here. He may genuinely believe that he is promoting awareness, but he is actually promoting FEAR. Even if what he says is 100% true. Why? Look at the way that he talks and his energy. You can call it passion (and sure there is a mix of that), but the rhetoric that he uses, is VERY far from a conscious person. I don't even believe that he is a bad guy or says shit to harm people intentionally, but he certainly has fear energy, and a lot of narcissism involved.

The fact that you can't see this, is a red flag for me. I recommend for you to contemplate deeply what is fear, where it comes from, etc.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
Actually what you said doesn't make sense.

Anger is a natural human emotion. It has its place on Earth, but only if you dont dwell on it. Otherwise what could be a force to make you do something, it becomes counterproductive, because you would then always focus on what "they" are doing, instead of what you should be doing.

In other words, prolonged anger is a distraction and block.

Where does anger come from? If you contemplate it deeply enough, you will see that it is connected to thought. Without a thought, anger could not exist. While things like joy, laughter, and LOVE, all come from within being, and do not come from thought.

There are a lot of things that seem "natural". Sure it has it's place. The more conscious that you become thought, the less anger in general you will have. Like I said, to me Alex Jones is far from a conscious person (spiritually speaking).

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
I havent seen him lie about his products. I find he's very transparent about the benefits and limitations of his products, and that sales are what fund infowars.

I didn't say that he lied. And his products are not even bad. He surely needs to fund his website, there is nothing wrong with that. The issue is that at times he uses headlines in articles that promote fear, and in turn helps him sell his products by capitalizing on fear. Sometime I will find an example and show you.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
I've been following Alex for about 15 years. Maybe you haven't seen him enough. Alex is a very passionate and knowledgeable person, and he clearly genuinely cares for people. That's partly why he's mad as hell.

I dont think he's narcissistic. I saw in his younger years, he was more arrogant and "in your face". That's partly an age thing. Now I see he has matured more. But his passion is rightfully relentless, and he despises with a passion these elite. And that spite towards them can be construed as arrogance or narcissism.

I have studied narcissism for a good amount of time, both theoretically and in practice, by dealing with people in my life who are narcissists, including family members. There are different types of narcissists. Alex certainly seems very self absorbed to me, and has narcissistic tendencies. With that being said, I am not saying he is a bad guy or has bad intentions, but he is far from psychologically healthy person to me.

If you can't see these things, I will tell you in this case to do the research and study human psychology a bit more.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 23, 09:51 PM 2020
Anyway I hope people will start looking into this deeper. I want to explain a lot more, but the information is already available. You just have to research it. But again dont expect you'll know anywhere near enough, even in a few weeks. Keep digging, and you'll see more and more. If you want a good shortcut, subscribe the :.gaia.com but even then it's literally months of learning.

When I have time, I will surely check out gaia. Thank you for the detailed response.

Last question: How certain are you of what you said in this thread to be true? 100% 95%. Just curious.

I'm not taking sides or anything, because I don't know the truth, BUT

do you know how many damn times Alex Jones said there was going to be a false flag or something was going down, and nothing happened?!

Alex Jones probably puts profits over truth, so tries to create sensational stories. Here's proof: link:s://:.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/magazine/alex-jones-infowars.html

That guy worked for Alex Jones and exposes his lies.



P.S. I know I could be wrong, just like all of you can be wrong. For all we know the world is probably controlled by God and/or powerful aliens, psychic people, etc.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 24, 03:51 PM 2020
I'm not taking sides or anything, because I don't know the truth, BUT

do you know how many damn times Alex Jones said there was going to be a false flag or something was going down, and nothing happened?!

Alex Jones probably puts profits over truth, so tries to create sensational stories. Here's proof: link:s://:.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/magazine/alex-jones-infowars.html

That guy worked for Alex Jones and exposes his lies.



P.S. I know I could be wrong, just like all of you can be wrong. For all we know the world is probably controlled by God and/or powerful aliens, psychic people, etc.

That’s a great article and his ex-wife also reported similar things about him.

If you read this article carefully, you will see that it nails what I said about him - him being very narcasstic/employes walking on egg shells(not being able to accept any criticism is a huge one) and purposely spreading fear, in turn to help him sell the supplements and gain the most amount views. Also, a lot of the behaviour indicates that he is not a mentally healthy individual. I really have no reason to doubt the info written in the article, given that other people said similar things.

I'll respond later to other things.

But shouldn't you be looking at his specific claims, rather than attacking Alex personally? And look at the bigger picture. You really think CNN is better than Alex? Wake up.

You know, infowars is a collection of reporters, like Millie Weaver, David Knight, Paul Watson etc. It's not just Alex. But again you're making generic personal attacks. Focus on the message.

For example, the blatantly inaccurate covid reporting is... just severe incompetence, right? And Alex saying otherwise is a "conspiracy theory" and Alex is an alarmist, right?

You know, Alex is one of thousands of other reporters saying the same thing. Even thousands of doctors are.

And the big banks aren't legally stealing the world's wealth. That's just the policy. Alex is an alarmist. Right?

Wake up.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 24, 08:31 PM 2020But shouldn't you be looking at his specific claims, rather than attacking Alex personally? And look at the bigger picture. You really think CNN is better than Alex?

You can look at Jones’ claims, BUT…

People should know the real Alex Jones, because it gives a bigger overall picture of what's really going on, e.g., he highly likely over exaggerates and sometimes tries to create sensational stories out of nothing. He even engages in unethical practices to do this, like when he was doing things to paint a group of people as terrorists knowing they weren’t.

MSM/CNN is out of Jones' league when it comes to being unethical. They are pretty much professional liars at the best. After this thought, you’re right, I should and will give Alex Jones more credit.

I rely mostly on Fox, and don’t understand why people have such a problem with this. You can fact check and research Fox’s claims all you want, and they are pretty much spot on.

I am. I've been getting vaccines since I was born. I take my grandparents to get vaccines every year and they are 101 years old and are doing great.
Vaccines are safe they just help create antibodies for viruses. There may be some rare cases of bad reactions but some people are allergic to water, vegetables, and peanuts but we don't say they are the devil when they are offered at grocery stores. Vaccines are also the reason we don't see polio any more and basically cured 99% since 1953. I prefer to keep moving forward with health and science, not go backwards because of some stories created from people that are against the government.

These companies have to go through many many phases of tests especially safety tests.
And people say they only make vaccines for money, while all these companies creating the vaccines are publicly traded companies that you yourself can make money from.

None of it makes sense, people are worried about vaccines and wearing masks cause somehow it'll kill you, while they are smoking every day and over weight. All the "woke" people might get put to sleep by not wearing masks and getting vaccinated. Maybe that's the higher ups whole plan. :twisted:

Gandhi, well said. This ridiculous paranoia about vaccines is down to idiots like Jones. I'll certainly be taking the vaccine and I recommend that everyone does. Not to take it is irresponsible because you're then running the risk of not only getting the virus, but passing it on to others (who are also dumb enough to have not taken it).

Steve accuses me of being thick, but it's the conspiracy theorists who are stupid because they can't see the mountain of inconsistencies which always accompany their crazy ideas. The logic is simple : IF their conspiracies were true, there would be implications and certain other things would also be true. But we don't see these things, therefore the conspiracies are (most likely) false.

To quote the general : Logic. It's always in the way.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 24, 08:31 PM 2020
But shouldn't you be looking at his specific claims, rather than attacking Alex personally? And look at the bigger picture. You really think CNN is better than Alex? Wake up.

What I said, was not a personal attack. It was an observation, which people who worked for him, and known him for many years said the same thing.

Joe Rogan knew him for over 20 years and said the same thing - he sensationalises a lot of the stuff.

Just because I say that though, does not mean that CNN is better or more trust worthy.

It means that he is not fully to be trusted, and it’s good to double check any info that you get from him. Also, it’s very naive to automatically assume that he is a good guy, that does what he does only because he cares, etc.

Joe, you really don't know. You'll find out. We all do, in our own time.

The proof is already all around you and still most can't see. You aren't researching properly. You're not verifying. You're believing what you're fed. You think you're considering both sides, but don't know you only know one side. That's why you don't know better.

When it comes to covid, we're already seeing no mask no service. It will be the same with vaccinations. 20+ years anyone paying attention knew what was coming.  Most know vague surface information and really think they know something. They're clueless. Uneducated.

Covid is still just a stepping stone. It's not the end game. If it goes, it will be back. The "new normal". You'll hear a lot of that phrase.

WHO:

Quote‘There will be no return to the old normal for the foreseeable future,”  “going to get worse and worse and worse’

The majority will happen within then next 10 years. I mean the negative stuff. It already began. We're in it. The last major acceleration was 911.

I know, conspiracy theory. You're just going to need to walk through the door yourself. You're not even in the initial stages of waking up. In your own time.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 25, 04:20 AM 2020The majority will happen within then next 10 years. I mean the negative stuff. It already began. We're in it. The last major acceleration was 911.

I know, conspiracy theory. You're just going to need to walk through the door yourself. You're not even in the initial stages of waking up. In your own time.

What if the conspiracy theories are conspiracies themselves? Let's say the government or elite promotes these theories so that if they really do decide to do something, the conspiracy "nuts" will have lost all credibility. I know; crazy right?

Steve I agree 100%. I told my wife the exact same thing they want trans-humans connected to the cloud.

I want the members to view this clip of George Carlin (RIP) funny but oh so true. Not only for citizens of the USA, but all of us.

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

Quote from: pepper on Jul 25, 04:47 PM 2020
What if the conspiracy theories are conspiracies themselves? Let's say the government or elite promotes these theories so that if they really do decide to do something, the conspiracy "nuts" will have lost all credibility. I know; crazy right?

That is definetely possible. Some actually call Alex Jones the “controlled opposition”. Imagine getting a “crazy guy” to talk a lot of stuff that is exagerated on purpose, to discredit all “conspiracy” stuff.  That would be brilliant.

UK whistle blower- 97% of corona vaccine recipients will become infertile.
This is a global population reduction plan!

link:s://lbry.tv/@JohnThor:0/Heavily-Censored-Video---The-Corona-Vaccine-is-Planned-Population-Reduction:4

Quote from: winforus on Jul 25, 05:37 PM 2020That is definetely possible. Some actually call Alex Jones the "controlled opposition". Imagine getting a "crazy guy" to talk a lot of stuff that is exagerated on purpose, to discredit all "conspiracy" stuff.  That would be brilliant.

And they could do this without Alex or anyone knowing. They can use technology or psychic abilities to remotely manipulate their thoughts, e.g., "program" them while they're sleeping. So, it's not like Alex or anyone would actually be "in" on it.

I know some people may think I'm crazy, but it is these groups of secretive people that hold all the power, because they are not held accountable for any of their actions, because nobody knows. So, they have been building up all this power over hundreds or thousands (psychic abilities are not new) of years. Also, since nobody really knows, there are no "psychic laws", i.e., they can invade your privacy (remote viewing) and manipulate your thoughts and reality all legally. These same people have been doing this to me over the past decade. I would have to be stupid to not know (they mock me by making it known only to me), and I'm not crazy; I won't even respond to people who think I need help anymore or think I'm crazy, because I am so sick of it, so save your breath (or typing fingers, lol).

Quote from: Steve on Jul 24, 04:23 AM 2020
Billionaires like Soros CARE about black lives.

Bill Gates CARES about your health.

Wall st. bankers CARE about you.

They all care about lives. Which is why they dont fund research to prevent major causes of death live heart disease and cancer. But they'll fund other things that just seem to expand their power. It's coincidence.

The covid infection rate is spiralling out of control, while the death rates are going down. It's all about the lives of people. BILLIONAIRES CARE ABOUT OLD PEOPLE.

There's no problem with the statistical reporting of covid infection and death rates. It's all good.

The censorship of the real data from doctors treating covid is for the best.

The Iraqi war was about freedom for Iraqis. Saddam had WMD. Not sure where, but he had them. And he was supporting terrorist and Osama. Not sure how, but he was.

Should I go on?

Some of you are REAL FUCKING STUPID. You don't even know WHAT you are criticizing.

The problem isn't just you are STUPID. It's also that you aren't even doing proper research, and are GULLIBLE. But that comes with being stupid.

For the people who want to do research and learn.
This corona test it is not a black or white test, there is a grey area. A lab can create only positives or negatives if they want to.
The test that is being used is a pcr test and is actually a very powerful manufacturing technique. Kary Mullis who invented it said not to be used for medical diagnostics.

link:s://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=i9EEGPG5jJM

There's far too much information people need before they understand. And that's even if they want to see in the first place.  I mean it's literally decades of studying. And most people just watch tv. So there's no realistic hope the disaster will be avoided. Too many people are blind.

So i do accept we're on a crash course. Most people won't wake up. At least not initially. Everyone does eventually.

Another very important consideration... it's inevitable the truth will come out. No tyranny lasts forever. This is temporary. Everything on Earth is temporary. And if you're awake, you can try waking people up, but some just won't wake up. My point is that's their path. They'll learn in their own time. Im coming to understand we are all in our independent paths. Some parts are shared. How we ourselves learn from and grow in adversity is often the whole point, unless you're serving another purpose you choose. It doesn't mean sit and do nothing. Doing what we feel is right is part of it.

Take the time to watch this fully. Listen carefully. It's a good general explanation of what's going to happen. Food shortages are only part of it. And stupid people will still blame it all in covid.

I consider almost everything he says to be accurate. He has been banned before and will be again, so watch while you can.



I especially loved the part about the company name "they die" and Anubis as the logo. These elite are literally a cult. Literally a satanic cult. They love their occult symbolism and rituals. It's bizarre. I mean even if you see their bohemian Grove, you'd say that's odd for world leaders... but that's barely a fragment of the story.



Things like "they die" an anubus are mostly examples of their arrogance. They're mocking us, because they know how stupid and blind people are. It's right in our faces, all around us, and still not seen. Once you know what to look for, you see it everywhere.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 25, 08:37 PM 2020Take the time to watch this

This is why I've been touting God, praying, going to church, bible reading, etc. All those wacky occultist rituals they are trying to secretly put people through can’t affect them then. What I’m going to say next is may be really important.

It is not people that are behind all this, but other worldly beings that line everything up in such a way that it seems like obviously people are behind it. The people who are behind it are either being manipulated by the beings knowingly or unknowingly. The Bohemian grove example proves people who are knowingly colluding with satanic spirits and such.

I came to “know” this because the "demonic/aliens" try to get through to me 24/7, since the “CIA” has been hacking my mind, life, and reality.

Also let's not forget global warming. It's real, but part of a natural cycle. Like this virus it's real, but being exploited, and engineered. First probably financial crisis, then global warming.

If carbon dioxide was such a problem, plant more trees. Thats their air. And they make our air/oxygen. But it's not really about saving the planet, which is why they don't give a shit about reforestation. At least not until they have control. They only need to look like they care.

Weather modification will be used to justify further control, to push the agenda. Also to disrupt supply chains. It's not new technology. Consider HAARP and :.weathermodification.com

The whole plan was made long ago. Some parts are adapted as they go, but the basic plan has been the same for at least 40-50 years. manufactured crisis, disinformation, etc, it has many parts.

What makes you think it's the CIA? Why not just common negative entities that you've somehow let influence you? They are opportunists.

The elite generally have guidelines. i think they've agreed not to coerce. Only to manipulate. We need to give over control. For whatever reason. It could be that force doesn't work, because we rebell. So they know control is only sustainable if we willingly comply.

The CIA is a mixed organisation. Either way the elite generally won't murder someone directly, unless in a context of politics and war.  For the hidden agenda, they're more likely to influence someone to do it for them. Why, is a complicated matter.

If you feel your being attacked, it's almost definitely common negative entities that you've let yourself be vulnerable to. Or it could be nothing but yourself.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 25, 09:33 PM 2020i think they've agreed not to coerce. Only to manipulate

Manipulating is just as bad as coercion if you get someone else to use force for you.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 25, 09:33 PM 2020the elite generally won't murder someone directly

Convincing someone to murder someone for you is just as bad as doing it yourself.

Clearly, you do not know the truth. I don't blame you; I wouldn't believe someone with my claims either before experiencing them myself.

If someone as "awake" as you doesn't know about these things, there is no hope in stopping them.

If you mean the elite murdering someone, first understand there are many different groups.

Referring to the more powerful groups, murdering a child in ritual is ok for them. But when it comes to controlling the world, it's generally not done with their direct violence. They have their own twisted rules. That's another story, not so relevant to this topic.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 26, 06:48 AM 2020If you mean the elite murdering someone

I'm not talking about murder. I'm talking about them using extremely powerful methods (psychic and technological) to completely control people's, like my, life. They may be working with these alien-demon type beings to basically harass and control me, e.g., I can't tell if my thoughts are actually my own or they are being manipulated/implanted somehow. Thought forms and thought control is very well known in the satanic world.

The beings actually tell me who sent them (but they could be lying).
Like I already said, hold your fingers not to type things, like stating I need help or something, because I already know this is what’s really happening.

Btw, the cia nor any agency will contact me back about my issues. Yes, I've actually reached out to them. Talk about a total lack of transparency and them not giving a fvck, but they are probably the ones behind it and/or puppets to whoever controls them. At the very least, if they really thought I was crazy, they would say something even about that.

It's like dialing 911 during the mass riots and looting... no one comes.

Well who would have thought David Icke might have a point.

Researchers Find 5G Can Cause Coronaviruses
From :.nih.gov but recently taken down (censored). So it's being re-published elsewhere:

:.landsharing.org/covid-5g.pdf
Also at link:s://:.scribd.com/document/470581936/5G-Technology-and-Induction-of-Coronavirus-in-Skin-Cells1111 but requires joining Scribd.

(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27362.0;attach=44140;image)

Again this was published by :.nih.gov but now censored.
WHY?
Maybe the same reason they've been censoring doctors and whistleblowers.

More whistleblowers (doctors) to be censored soon.



** EDIT: And it is banned now. The full video is now at:
link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5f1fc7a468370e02f29f34cf

What happened to Sweden, with no lockdown (note the DAILY DEATHS):

(link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27362.0;attach=44144;image)

WHY isn't this in mainstream media? WHY is it censored on Youtube?

Seriously. Wake up. It's all around you.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 28, 12:27 AM 2020
What happened to Sweden, with no lockdown (note the DAILY DEATHS):

Source please.
Thanks

link:s://:.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Daily deaths for USA:

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I'm not saying the virus isn't dangerous.

I'm saying it's a flu. If you carefully consider the data, including all the blatantly misleading statistics that even count car accidents as COVID deaths, the coronavirus is no more deadly than the seasonal flu.

WHY is there so much censorship? WHY are the statistics being artificially inflated?

Take your vaccine. Check the autism rate, increase year after year.

link:s://:.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

link:s://banned.video/watch?id=5f1f56d068370e02f29f0021

Listen, and verify for yourself.

There's a lot more. These vaccines are very bad news.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 28, 02:29 AM 2020
link:s://:.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Thnx

More garbage from Steve. Get the truth.

QuoteThe idea of a link between vaccines and autism has been extensively investigated and conclusively shown to be false.[51][52] The scientific consensus is that there is no relationship, causal or otherwise, between vaccines and incidence of autism,[44][53][54] and vaccine ingredients do not cause autism.[55]

Nevertheless, the anti-vaccination movement continues to promote myths, conspiracy theories, and misinformation linking the two.[56] A developing tactic appears to be the "promotion of irrelevant research [as] an active aggregation of several questionable or peripherally related research studies in an attempt to justify the science underlying a questionable claim."[57]

Read about the other stupid reasons why people don't trust vaccines.
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_hesitancy

But of course, everyone who contributes to wiki is part of the elite who just want you to think that.  :xd:

Quote from: Joe on Jul 28, 11:39 AM 2020

But of course, everyone who contributes to wiki is part of the elite who just want you to think that.  :xd:

Exactly

The funny thing is Flat Earth society is this adamant as well or this good at acting.

The unprecedented rate of dying coral reefs are natural too. So lets keep pumping out babies.  Its God's will.   

Oh brother.

What's up with this viral video today?  It's started a storm on the internet.

link:s://:.publishedreporter.com/2020/07/27/group-of-americas-frontline-doctors-hold-press-conference-at-capitol-hill-about-covid-19-calling-out-massive-disinformation-campaign/?fbclid=IwAR1dRgx4os1OAUeRD5cAAkGl2nGoAK2syOG7YOQFHxsgYyetGBqJqy8NQfg

Editors note: This video will be replaced with the original when we hear back from America’s Frontline Doctors who we have reached out to for comment as well as the original version. It is being removed from several video platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube as ‘misinformation’. Additionally, this story itself was removed from Google.com in the early hours of July 28th, 2020. This video is related to COVID-19 and contains doctors “opinions” on what “they believe” is a massive misinformation campaign. This event in-fact happened on July 27, 2020. It cannot be removed or erased from history simply by being removed from Internet websites. The Published Reporter® is reporting a factual newsworthy event. Use your own judgement. The video displays the opinion of the speakers and not necessarily the opinion of the site itself. See our Terms of Service, Editorial Policies and Fact Checking Policies.

.. and the the first time in history, Twitter completely censored (removed) posts from the president of the USA that included a video from doctors.

Here's what the doctors said about the censorship (expect this video to be banned too):



Think about it. It's a drug that has been around for 60+ years, here are doctors successfully treating covid with it, and now suddenly you cant even say that or you'll be banned.

Twitter, Google, Youtube and all the other big tech companies will censor you. Censor doctors. Not even willing to look at the data.

Wake up, it's all around you.

Quote from: Joe on Jul 28, 11:39 AM 2020Read about the other stupid reasons why people don't trust vaccines.

Joe, I understand you believe sources you're told to believe, without proper investigation. Unfortunately it means your information is limited.

Vaccines are big business. And where there's big business, you'll almost always find corruption. I understand you believe in fairies and unicorns, and think banks and pharmaceutical companies care about you, old people and black people.

My opinion on vaccinations is some are good, some are not. As for whether or not they cause autism, clearly there's enough data to indicate they have something to do with the dramatically rising autism rates.

Do you really think the rising autism rates is "natural"? Is it the corn babies eat? The type of diaper they use? Come on Joe, do you have a brain?

A good resource is :.chiropractic.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/1200-studies-The-Truth-Will-Prevail-3.pdf

But whether or not vaccines cause or at least contribute to autism was not my main point. My main point was a rushed vaccination is not likely to end well.

In the case of covid, they want to skip animal trials and go straight to human trials. But a critical problem that hasn't been overcome in such vaccines is it may initially look ok, but when a vaccinated person is exposed to the real virus, the body craps itself, and you are even more likely to die than without the vaccine.

The same thing happened with SARS. There was a group of people who took the vaccine, and all of them died when they were exposed to the real virus. The ones that didnt take the vaccine lived. The case is cited by Dr Rashid Buttar. He explains it in his videos well. That's another heavily censored doctor.

Maybe that's why these pharma companies have no legal liability if you die, or have any side-effects.

Joe, I really dont care if you or any adult takes the vaccine. You put whatever you want in your body. I don't care. My problem with you is only that you're not bright, and your tiny scope reflects that of most people. And the ignorance is irritating. It's like I've been placed on a planet full of really dumb people. For now, only the minority understand. I'm not trying to insult you joe. Really I'm not. I just can't be indirect about it.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 28, 02:10 PM 2020The funny thing is Flat Earth society is this adamant as well or this good at acting.

Flat Earthers are morons because they don't understand basic science. They look at a narrow band of information.

People who debate the safety of vaccinations are labelled as "anti-vaxxers". The reality is most of these people do look at the broader information. It's the "pro-vaxxers" that dont look at broader information.

My personal stance on vaccines is some are good, but untested and rushed vaccines are a probable disaster. They cannot be rushed, for many reasons. Including often the negative effects are not known for some time.

Quote from: Joe on Jul 28, 11:39 AM 2020But of course, everyone who contributes to wiki is part of the elite who just want you to think that

Clearly "big tech" censors information on particular issues. Perhaps you dont have the foresight to understand when there's a genuine conspiracy, it rarely means more than big business protecting its interests. If you were to re-publish a video of doctors talking about a cure for covid, it will be censored again. And if you were to publish real scientific data, with an opposing viewpoint to key parts in the Wikipedia article, it wont be allowed. Try it. Then tell me it's not censorship. For whatever reason, it will not be allowed. It doesn't matter how factual and established test results or data may be.

That censorship alone may not be a "conspiracy". It may simply be it's a sensitive issue and they don't want to "rock the boat". But still, it's censorship. And censorship leads to ignorance. Because "not-so-smart" people go to wikipedia, expecting to find the full unbiased truth. Wikipedia is just a website for "official and politically-correct information". You may as well just watch CNN. It wont necessarily be unbiased the truth, especially with sensitive issues.

I need to waste less time on people like you Joe. At some point, what i and many others have been saying will be accepted as self-evident fact. But some people are really slow to come around. 

On the issue of vaccinations, nobody is stopping you or anyone from taking the vaccine.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 28, 07:15 PM 2020Here's what the doctors said about the censorship (expect this video to be banned too):

Fantastic video. I love how it ended.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jul 29, 01:10 AM 2020
Fantastic video. I love how it ended.

Uh, yeah. That's one mixed up guy. He has no idea what he stands for or what's going on. He represents the perfect brainwashed person with no clue.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 28, 07:48 PM 2020
Do you really think the rising autism rates is "natural"? Is it the corn babies eat? The type of diaper they use? Come on Joe, do you have a brain?

Steve, yes, do you? Apparently you don't know how to use it, or are just too absorbed in your own bullshit conspiracy theory fixation. There is no increase in autism rate, the apparent increase is due to greater public awareness and a reinterpretation of the diagnostic criteria. ie, the classic definition of autism was recognized as too narrow; we now know that there is a whole spectrum of autism.

What has greater risk - to get a vaccine or not?

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=zBkVCpbNnkU&t=300s

Quote from: Joe on Jul 29, 02:19 PM 2020There is no increase in autism rate

Was cancer always as common now as in the past, taking into account that we live longer?

Look at obesity stats: The prevalence of obesity changed relatively little during the 1960s and 1970s, but it increased sharply over the ensuing decadesâ€"from 13.4% in 1980 to 34.3% in 2008 among adults and from 5% to 17% among children during the same period

Quote from: Joe on Jul 29, 02:19 PM 2020are just too absorbed in your own bullshit conspiracy theory fixation

Theory? You confuse theory with fact, like law. For example, bail-in laws & fractional reserve banking are fact - not theory. I understand you think bankers and trillion-dollar businesses really care about old people.

Quote from: Joe on Jul 29, 02:19 PM 2020There is no increase in autism rate

Again, you need to do better research

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And with your logic, at this rate of increase, by 2030 or so, our understanding of autism will mean we'll finally understand about 30% of us are autistic. That would explain why the average Joe cant see what's happening all around them.

Quote from: Joe on Jul 29, 02:19 PM 2020What has greater risk - to get a vaccine or not?

That depends on the individual vaccination. Like I said, some are good, some are bad. Generally when it comes to a vaccine that has never been done before, and early attempts with SARS vaccines actually killed people who came in contact with the real virus, and the same happened in animal testing, and a lot more you need to learn about..... I'd say a newly developed covid vaccination is likely to do more harm than good.  :thumbsup:

Again Joe, I dont care about what you put in your body. And you're more concerned with appearing right, than knowing the truth. There are real conspiracies all around you, and I'm talking about big obvious ones. Fact, not theory. Like actual policy and law. Censorship. And much more, only you're not educated on it. And you're too lazy to do proper research.

And again, what I've been saying is probably not about the vaccination itself. It's more about CONTROL.

For example, Bill Gates has been blatantly denouncing "conspiracy theories" that he intends to microchip people with vaccinations, like a digital immunity certificate. He says there's absolutely no foundation to the theory.

And now, it's come out he's funding DIGITAL TATTOOS that planned to be used in places like airports, and eventually shops.

So Bill Gates says there's no truth to it at all. And see for yourself:
link:s://:.scientificamerican.com/article/invisible-ink-could-reveal-whether-kids-have-been-vaccinated/

Here, watch Bill Gates fumble and deny it (as he's done many times):


And then read this:
link:s://:.scientificamerican.com/article/invisible-ink-could-reveal-whether-kids-have-been-vaccinated/

Research, then tell me he's not lying. There's ample proof - no doubt - you just need to do the research. Don't rely wholly on CNN and Youtube.

Then look at his biologically embedded 060606 cryptocurrency patent:
link:s://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

It's all around us. Wake up. I could spend days giving proof, but it would waste my time considering the information is already available. Get off your ass and do the research. There's so much of it you could literally spend years going through it all, even if it was all compiled for you.

Basically what's happening is the technocracy (elite) and pushing us into an increasingly digital world, ultimately to control us. Just like they already do with big tech censorship, banking law etc. So it's just an expansion of their current system.

It's not theory. It is fact. Anyone who does the research will understand this.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 29, 07:26 PM 2020Was cancer always as common now as in the past, taking into account that we live longer?

Cancer is a deformation of DNA. It will probably have always existed. But as we have increased our exposure to incoherent radiation and toxins, inevitably cancer has become more common. This was discussed earlier. But really its not relevant to the discussion, and neither is autism - at least in the current context. The vaccinations are not about autism. Again it appears it's all about control.

You wont be able to buy, sell or travel without your tattoo, digital immunity or whatever. Similar to what we're seeing with masks, which are just a stepping stone to get us accustomed to the idea. And if you dare defy the system, you're hurting old people. If you dare tell the truth and report the statistics, doctor or not, you'll be censored. You're a dangerous person. Dangerous to the elite.

This plan was known a long time ago. It shouldnt be news. This covid crap is going to get much worse. I'm not talking specifically about the virus itself, although it may mutate or have a deadlier strain (if needed). One way or another, it's not going to just go away. It wont be allowed. It's being used for control.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 29, 08:09 PM 2020But as we have increased our exposure to incoherent radiation and toxins, inevitably cancer has become more common

Everyone should watch this guy; he is so informative, interesting, and intelligent. :thumbsup: The channel is WoodwardTV on Youtube.

What you need to know about MICROWAVE OVENS and ELECTROMAGNETIC CHAOS Killing you

Don't use microwaves... See what they do to you. Watch the Youtube video.

Radiation Facts
Radiofrequency (RF) energy is a type of electromagnetic radiation. It is used to transmit signals carrying information in the form of radio waves. ... In addition to cell phones, other wireless devices such as radios, Wi-Fi routers, satellites, radars and pacemakers can send or receive RF energy waves.

All life exists because of harmonic energy. Because it IS harmonic energy. DNA is harmonic energy.

ANY incoherent energy is likely to cause or at least contribute to disease, including but not limited to cancer.

Someone who knows the plan. Listen carefully. I don't think he got it all right though. Specifically how he speaks well of vaccines, but is very generic. Again, some are good, some not good. And they are certainly being used in agendas. Truth is only black and white, if you're specific, and have enough information. Otherwise it's grey.

The nano bots will play a big role in time: transhumanism. The problem is what if they're used for nefarious purposes? Who controls the AI that controls them?



I'm sure everyone who was there knew exactly what he was talking about. That why many smirked. But still i doubt many would truly know how deep the rabbit hole goes. It's not just some ambitious tech companies.

There are many different levels of knowledge. While the average joes have no clue, the people at the top know better. They don't question it. They're well past that point. The truth is self evident. But again there are different levels of awareness.

Wake up. 5 minutes of CNN or radio per day is all most people get. 5 mins isn't enough. And it's even worse when it's all bullshit.

Also watch the London olympic ceremony.



It's important to understand it's not all accurate. I think there are some obvious errors and genuine coincidences. So you need to keep digging to know the likely truth

Even with careful scrutiny of information, it's all around you. These people are nuts. They're a real cult. And they're all over the place. I'm not talking the performers. They'd have no clue.

Truth is much stranger than fiction. It's only theory, until you do proper research and realise "Holy shit, this is real.  Wtf?? Its crazy."

But don't be quick to judge either way. Be skeptical but balanced. There's a lot of bullshit information too.

We all get there, eventually.

Steve, this is getting embarrassing. Seriously man, you need some help.  :o

You're the poster boy for confirmation bias.

In your own time, Joe.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Steve on Jul 30, 07:34 AM 2020transhumanism

How do we know there aren't just bots walking among us? Trump could be a bot? I don't think he is, but it is very possible.

There's nothing to reasonably substantiate that.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 30, 09:23 AM 2020There's nothing to reasonably substantiate that.

There's nothing to reasonably substantiate many of the things that go undetected in our world. Like many of my posts, claiming people and/or spirits and/or aliens are hijacking all my electrical devices and conjuring spirits against me.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 30, 09:23 AM 2020
There's nothing to reasonably substantiate that.

There are levels to this.  Pepper believes w/out a doubt he's being harassed by demons/aliens/psychic vampires.  It's not schizophrenia to him.

Icke believes in reptilians among us.  Dames remote viewed an extinction level Solar Flare that never happened.  The point is each has their own convictions that may not line up with others or eventually blew up in their face but will take their beliefs to the grave. 

As a determinist, fatalist, shit will or will not happen.  It's been like that since before time.  We're just along for the ride.  We always had been if you catch my drift.  The only thing for sure is that entropy wins out in the end. 

Entropy always wins (in case parallel universes exist).

I could be wrong as well but I'm sticking to my guns. 

Quote from: pepper on Jul 30, 10:45 AM 2020There's nothing to reasonably substantiate many of the things that go undetected in our world.

I referring to Donald Trump being a "bot". I'm saying that's mere speculation. I don't know of any information to support that.

You need to be careful with speculation, or you'll discredit verifiable fact - especially for people who are too lazy or unintelligent to know the difference.

As for your claims of evil spirits and the CIA etc, until I have corroborating information, I personally find that hard to believe. I'm not closed to the possibility, but mere possibility is not enough for me. Anyway that's not relevant here.

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 30, 01:44 PM 2020Entropy always wins (in case parallel universes exist).

If that were true, then why is the universe expanding an an increasing rate?

If energy is neither created nor destroyed, then it's just in a constant state of change. Even when two polar opposites combine, they don't merely cancel each other out. The net effect may read as "0", but remember the energy is still there. It hasn't been destroyed. It's just in a state of balance.

Instead of saying entropy wins, you should say balance wins. In other words, unity wins. Everything at some point comes together.

The question is, what then?  A reset? A big bang?

Too many unanswered questions. But I'm coming to understand the answers arent external, in some distant galaxy. It's actually within, which is how creation works (implosion). But there are explosive forces too, like positive and negative, duality etc.

Either way, maybe leave that for much later. We have more pertinent issues.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 30, 08:17 PM 2020

Either way, maybe leave that for much later. We have more pertinent issues.

On that note, ex candidate Herman Cain (R) passed.  He was diagnosed back on june 30th after attending a Trump rally few days prior.

It was a mask-free zone free-for-all where he even tweeted about defiantly not wearing a mask.  I think he beat cancer years prior so he didn't have any pre-existing condition presently.  I'm waiting patiently for Trump's spin.

Not to mention he's asking for a moratorium on election night due to safety concerns yet is aggressively pushing for school to be on schedule in the fall, a complete contradiction. 
It confounds me that folks thinks he has more profound endeavors to not lose other than he's facing prosecution post election and he's delaying the inevitable.

Fox has shut down their comment section on YouTube as per usual.  Not looking good on all fronts for the right.

Moxy, vote Biden. He's a star. He'll look out for everyone. I mean his handlers will.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 30, 08:17 PM 2020
If that were true, then why is the universe expanding an an increasing rate?

Could be us growing smaller, like condensing matter.

Balance and stability is the end game, chaos is the process to get there.

Winners dont use drugs but some drugs are for weeners.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 30, 09:34 PM 2020
Moxy, vote Biden. He's a star. He'll look out for everyone. I mean his handlers will.

I told you I wasn't voting.  I stand by it. 

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 30, 10:05 PM 2020told you I wasn't voting.  I stand by it. 

Not even for Kanye West?

Quote from: Moxy on Jul 30, 08:51 PM 2020Not to mention he's asking for a moratorium on election night due to safety concerns yet is aggressively pushing for school to be on schedule in the fall, a complete contradiction.

There's no contradiction. Children = poor spreaders and extremely low risk. Adults=greater risk.

Even medical experts agree that schools should open. Schools in other countries have stayed open throughout the whole "pandemic" or pandemic without any negative repercussions.

Quote from: pepper on Jul 31, 11:50 AM 2020
There's no contradiction. Children = poor spreaders and extremely low risk. Adults=greater risk.

Even medical experts agree that schools should open. Schools in other countries have stayed open throughout the whole "pandemic" or pandemic without any negative repercussions.

No arguments from me.  Trump wants something even a potus has no say over (to delay polling day) for obvious reasons.  That's how kooky and desperate he is.  If he actually cared he would've mandated masks at his rally as an act of solidarity for all Americans.   Yet he keeps digging deeper desperately trying to appease his low brow voting base.  I respect his dying by the sword, I guess.

USA can get back to some normalcy if nincompoop mandated masks from the get go but instead politicized it by going against left leaning sentiment of erring on the side of caution and caused a public figure's death. 

He still addressed it the "chinese" virus which killed Herman Cain which doesn't help his cause any more in this age of "woke" culture in the court of p.o.

Moxy, where do you think the USA would be if potus listened to fauci and the democrats who attacked him for forbidding travel from china? The democrats called him racist, and some even encouraged pepple to hug Chinese people to show support because trump was "racist"

You watch too much CNN.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 31, 11:45 PM 2020Moxy, where do you think the USA would be if potus listened to fauci and the democrats who attacked him for forbidding travel from china? The democrats called him racist, and some even encouraged pepple to hug Chinese people to show support because trump was "racist"

You watch too much CNN.

This was all so obvious to me. But it is pointless to point out the facts. Idiots still listen to the lies and believe them. Literally, the only solution would be to defund the police, kill all the democrats, then build it back up again. It would be like Joe Biden's slogan, "build back better". Notice bbb (the build back better slogan) is close to 666.

Even this is probably no solution, because people will probably idiotically move back towards liberalism.

I'm not actually for killing people, because it's against my religion and I don't want police to see my post and get all control freaky on me, even though they let the democrats get away with murder and even encourage it by not speaking out against it, like Pelosi and Obama and Biden, etc.

BLM is not peaceful at all. Did you see one of its stupid leaders saying that they will burn the country down it they have to. He said that you can take this literally or figuratively. Yeah, BLM is peaceful. Also, its founder is literally a terrorist. People are stupid. All these major corporations that donate to blm are stupid. I can rant on and on...

I know this seems off topic Steve, but it could be related, e.g., the same people could be pulling the strings on coronavirus policies and blm agendas.

Quote from: pepper on Aug 01, 05:59 AM 2020the same people could be pulling the strings on coronavirus policies and blm agendas.

You mean like Soros, yes the same globalist assholes with a god complex.

Let’s not forget who started this PLADEMIC  China .
Communist party have been trying to take down Capitalism .
They own a lot of the world and this is just the beginning.

Quote from: pepper on Aug 01, 05:51 AM 2020
This was all so obvious to me. But it is pointless to point out the facts. Idiots still listen to the lies and believe them. Literally, the only solution would be to defund the police, kill all the democrats, then build it back up again. It would be like Joe Biden's slogan, "build back better". Notice bbb (the build back better slogan) is close to 666.

Even this is probably no solution, because people will probably idiotically move back towards liberalism.

Let me lay it out for you before I can even reply to you.  Demons do NOT exist.  I repeat Demons do NOT exist.  It's the 21 century.

Get help.  Your affliction is not actually making you more cognizant of anything, the least of which conspiracy theories.

Again, I am a practical nihilist.  Nothing you say most of the time will ever stick with me.  It's nonsensical in my realm. 

AntiFa is a JOKE.  BLM is also covert ruse of a joke.  No one is going to defund the police.  Only reactionary high school kids will have apprehension.  Government, in all facets, is necessary.  But it should be always for the people - which is the forever struggle.  Libertarian kooks who want the police state and not anything else are oblivious to their idiocy.

The middle class is dying, the top billionaires in America became half a trillion dollars richer, manufacturing jobs are losing out to automation, government employees are hoarding "free" healthcare while the uncovered are paying 5k+ out of pocket to get a a CV19 test.

The progressives are practically trying to save peoples live while the two low brow idiot party line are arguing about fringe topics.  Tons of people are low brow (posters here) and eager for fantastical dialogue but the it's baffling that Steve is leading the charge. 

There are actually sects who care for humanity and it's not FOX or CNN or Infowars.  It's all controlled opposition for the THOUSANDTH time.  They are called progressives.  Have you folks heard if it?  It's the new wave. 

Am I in some kind of bizzare Twilight Zone here?

Quote from: pepper on Aug 01, 05:53 AM 2020
I'm not actually for killing people, because it's against my religion and I don't want police to see my post and get all control freaky on me, even though they let the democrats get away with murder and even encourage it by not speaking out against it, like Pelosi and Obama and Biden, etc.

The murder rate is ZERO for both factions (BLM, AF).  They are non-starters and reckless low brow morons but they are not murderers.   Zero policy Joe Biden, who carries no political slant in his body, wouldn't know what to say to either group if he met them.  He's just another airhead pawn for hire.

If you are projecting, you are treading dangerous territory.   

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 12:43 PM 2020Demons do NOT exist.  I repeat Demons do NOT exist.  It's the 21 century.

Get help

It's probably demons. It's a slim chance that it's aliens or just people doing stuff psychically. I do not need help from people who have even less knowledge of what's going on than I do. Mental illness cannot magically make manifestations of foreign material appear before my eyes. If anybody needs help, it's people like you that need help to realize the truth. This isn't an insult; I wouldn't believe my claims either if they didn't happen to me.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 12:43 PM 2020Demons do NOT exist

Clearly whatever is doing these psychic feats is very intelligent and remains stealthy. I am saying this because I actually set out to take before and after pictures. First, I have the lights off in my bedroom. It will be mostly dark, except for light that's going under the door. Then, within minutes the room becomes flooded with more and more light despite no other lights being turned on. I took the before picture of this (only very little light coming in the room from under the door), then when I attempted to take the after picture (my room being flooded with light), the after picture just magically doesn't show up on my phone. Then, the usual skeptics just say that something is wrong with my phone, and nothing is wrong with it at all. This is just one example of what they do out of hundreds or probably thousands for the past decade of my life.

My point is that people like you do not think demons are real, and a major contributor to this is their ability and desire to remain hidden. They may even be controlling everyone's minds to make them believe they are not real.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 01:25 PM 2020he murder rate is ZERO for both factions (BLM, AF)

The property damage is in the billions and look up the stats on Chicago police officers being assaulted every weekend.

Quote from: pepper on Aug 01, 01:34 PM 2020
It's probably demons. It's a slim chance that it's aliens or just people doing stuff psychically. I do not need help from people who have even less knowledge of what's going on than I do. Mental illness cannot magically make manifestations of foreign material appear before my eyes. If anybody needs help, it's people like you that need help to realize the truth. This isn't an insult; I wouldn't believe my claims either if they didn't happen to me.

Aliens and the CIA are more feasible, believe it or not.  I wouldn't give those pesky demons the time of day just like I wouldn't for ghouls or goblins (hint: fairy tales)

Don't ever worry about your soul ever being compromised though because it doesn't exist either.  Their control will never extend past this brutal corporeal existence.  Resting in peace really does apply in my opinion.  They can go f*** themselves after that. 

Quote from: Steve on Aug 01, 06:12 AM 2020Soros

Soros owns Iceland. Iceland declared Christianity a public health hazard in 2016.
link:s://:.patheos.com/blogs/laughingindisbelief/2016/04/iceland-declares-christianity-a-public-health-hazard/

Quote from: pepper on Aug 01, 01:42 PM 2020
The property damage is in the billions and look up the stats on Chicago police officers being assaulted every weekend.

Somebody has to pick up the tab.  Soros would be great candidate. 

If you assault the police then you're a terrorist and vice versa.  It's up to the discretion of their precinct then.  But I'll have to look it up.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 01:43 PM 2020Don't ever worry about your soul ever being compromised though because it doesn't exist either.

Do you think our auras exist? They are considered part of the soul. Well everything has an aura, but do you think ours is more special than the aura of a book?

Astral projection is said to be traveling by using your soul.

Quote from: pepper on Aug 01, 01:53 PM 2020
Do you think our auras exist? They are considered part of the soul. Well everything has an aura, but do you think ours is more special than the aura of a book?

Astral projection is said to be traveling by using your soul.

Thermal imaging can give an "aura" for traces of dispensing heat molecules so don't see anything special about it past that. 

Astral projecting or remote viewing is possible.  But I think it's based on scientific phenomena that are millennia ahead of our time for the masses that only a few could master


The "supernatural" is just a construct to catalogue things like if people in the Middle Ages were to see a magic trick and then cataloguing it as such.

Not sure why you haven't talked to your local priest yet.  Your affliction needs tending to.  Really.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 31, 11:45 PM 2020
Moxy, where do you think the USA would be if potus listened to fauci and the democrats who attacked him for forbidding travel from china? The democrats called him racist, and some even encouraged pepple to hug Chinese people to show support because trump was "racist"

You watch too much CNN.

Being tough on travel restrictions from China is the proper stance.  If they actually defied Trump then they are the f-ing morons politicizing it.  It goes both ways.

I'm not taking either side as per usual, Steve. 

Had Trump mandated masks from the start, we may have had some semblance of an impending economy i.e. attending sports, restaurants, booking hotels, schooling, etc.

Trump is trying to ban TikTok for accusatory data mining users not unlike Facebook, Google, and every other conglomerate out there.   Microsoft is offering to acquire its US division.  There are only a small amount of giant "holding companies" buying sections of commerce, creating monopolies that would be tough to dissolve.

But typical social media data mining from a foreign company is more of a threat I guess?  Priorities, I guess.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 02:18 PM 2020Had Trump mandated masks from the start, we may have had some semblance of an impending economy i.e. attending sports, restaurants, booking hotels, schooling, etc.

More convenient histrionics. They purposely told people not to wear masks because they were dead scared that the average person would run the states out of medical grade masks for healthcare workers. Compare that to the run on toilet paper that they never suggested wearing. You have to take information both in context and in the sequence that it occurred. And since you did not, I have to consider your remark. You are either a pragmatic liberal operative or an opinionated uninformed voter. If the later than please don't vote. TDS, it infects everything.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 03:08 PM 2020But typical social media data mining from a foreign company is more of a threat I guess?  Priorities, I guess.

Are you a software engineer? This is not typical data mining gathered from your search history. It works like a keyboard mining Trojan Horse. It gathers stuff you write and sends it back to it's origin.

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There are two considerations with this type of data collection risk: the kinds of data that are being or might be collected; and Beijing's ability to access that data.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 01, 03:18 PM 2020
More convenient histrionics. They purposely told people not to wear masks because they were dead scared that the average person would run the states out of medical grade masks for healthcare workers. Compare that to the run on toilet paper that they never suggested wearing. You have to take information both in context and in the sequence that it occurred. And since you did not, I have to consider your remark. You are either a pragmatic liberal operative or an opinionated uninformed voter. If the later than please don't vote. TDS, it infects everything.

Face coverings.  The more common term is masks.  I have disposable ones, cotton ones, bandanas, etc.

It's an act of solidarity regardless of studies.  Even asthmatic folks can wear it.  Canada is downward whereas US is dramatically upward in trending in mortality count+rate because they carry solidarity in a simple task.

People wear shirts and shoes in an act of solidarity in stores.  People don't piss and shit on streets as an act of solidarity in public.  The only developed country that has a form of psychosis going on where one half of the pop. thinks it's an infringement on the constitution shopping in Costco/Walmart/Lowes with a mask on.

You clearly haven't been reading my posts based on your assessment of my "angle".

More on the risk of TikTok:

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Risk 1: TikTok Collecting Data on U.S. Government Employees

The first risk posed by TikTok is the collection of data on U.S. government employees (including those working as contractors). These are people who either have security clearances or could have clearances in the future or at the very least perform tasks that, if not classified, may still be considered sensitive in an unofficial sense. Data collection on these individuals and their activities can therefore reveal important national security information or be used in a coercive manner (that is, blackmail) to target those individuals.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 01, 03:34 PM 2020
More on the risk of TikTok:

Infiltrating Trojan horse server.  Cold War II?  Worst than the Russian 2016 election collusion and decryption of Hillary's emails.  Who are all the international bad guys meddling in US affairs?  Fill me in. 

hint:  I never believed in any of that. Never have and never will.  Obfuscation.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 03:31 PM 2020You clearly haven't been reading my posts based on your assessment of my "angle".

You said "Had Trump mandated masks from the start, we may have had some semblance of an impending economy i.e. attending sports, restaurants, booking hotels, schooling, etc."

I guess you missed the angle where New York City was in catastrophic meltdown? There were shortages of masks. The government went on a war footing to get them for healthcare workers and first responders. Manufacturing geard up like nothing seen since WWII.

Nobody was concerned about shutting down. New York City's mayor held daily briefings.  Hospitals were built, A Navy hospital ship came to port. The entire nation braced itself for them being next. and you suggest that Trump needed to tell everyone to wear masks. Well then why didn't Biden tell everyone to wear masks? Why did Nancy Pelosi tell everyone to go have a fun time during the Chinese New Year? It's all just the way you want to spin it. This is just basic hack opinion.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 01, 03:44 PM 2020

You said "Had Trump mandated masks from the start, we may have had some semblance of an impending economy i.e. attending sports, restaurants, booking hotels, schooling, etc."

I guess you missed the angle where New York City was in catastrophic meltdown? There were shortages of masks. The government went on a war footing to get them for healthcare workers and first responders. Manufacturing geard up like nothing seen since WWII.

Nobody was concerned about shutting down. New York City's mayor held daily briefings.  Hospitals were built, A Navy hospital ship came to port. The entire nation braced itself for them being next. and you suggest that Trump needed to tell everyone to wear masks. Well then why didn't Biden tell everyone to wear masks? Why did Nancy Pelosi tell everyone to go have a fun time during the Chinese New Year? It's all just the way you want to spin it. This is just basic hack opinion.

The POTUS has the upmost responsibility.  Not including allowing Americans to foot the bill for every nonsensical Florida briefing [at his hotel and golf course, a double whammy] or nepotism; allowing his henchman, I mean family, to do sweatshop deals in China. 

You got a weird angle.  The whole forum does. 

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 03:42 PM 2020Infiltrating Trojan horse server.  Cold War II?  Worst than the Russian 2016 election collusion and decryption of Hillary's emails.  Who are all the international bad guys meddling in US affairs?  Fill me in. 

*Hint:*  I never believed in any of that. Never have and never will.  Obfuscation.

It's OK snowflake. You can go to your safe place.

We use to call it hiding your head in the sand. 

What you are attempting to accomplish now is a defensive act of deflection. You are trying to feed back my comments as if they are fragmented and baseless and not worthy of discussion. But what you did was in fact side step giving a response to what I sent you. Talk about obfuscation?

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 03:52 PM 2020The POTUS has the upmost responsibility.  Not including allowing Americans to footing the bill for every nonsensical Florida briefing [at his hotel and golf course, a double whammy] or nepotism; allowing his henchman, I mean family, to do sweatshop deals in China. 

You got the weird angle.  The whole forum does. 

This clears everything up for me.  If we win you will remain miserable. If you win and get everything that you want from government then you will eventually be more miserable than ever. You are going to be miserable no matter what you get. It will all be ten times worse once the nation is run like liberal cities with liberal leadership only in control. There will be no place to escape to. Idiots like you don't look back at the things that they supported and ended up with such horrible unintended consequences.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 01, 03:52 PM 2020
It's OK snowflake. You can go to your safe place.

We use to call it hiding your head in the sand. 

What you are attempting to accomplish now is a defensive act of deflection. You are trying to feed back my comments as if they are fragmented and baseless and not worthy of discussion. But what you did was in fact side step giving a response to what I sent you. Talk about obfuscation?

Free Will doesn't exist.  All my arguments are moot as with yours.  Sorry to disappoint you, Chief.  I didn't have the heart at first but you called me a snowflake.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 03:58 PM 2020Free Will doesn't exist.  All my arguments are moot as with yours.  Sorry to disappoint you, Chief.  I didn't have the heart at first but you called me a snowflake.

You didn't accomplish anything.

OK, I'm sorry, dork.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 01, 04:02 PM 2020
You didn't accomplish anything.

OK, I'm sorry, dork.

My accomplishments, or lack thereof, was never mine anyways.  Take it out on my brain.

The "self" is also an illusion, an abstract construct, to rationalize the brain's own intelligence/consciousness. 

Hence, whenever anybody takes themselves too seriously, I interject.  I can't help it. 

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 04:07 PM 2020My accomplishments, or lack thereof, was never mine anyways.  Take it out on my brain.

The "self" is also an illusion, an abstract construct, to rationalize the brain's own intelligence/consciousness. 

Hence, whenever anybody takes themselves too seriously, I interject.  I can't help it. 

Don't look in the mirror, reflect.  Sounds sort of Gestalt to me. I'm not sure Trump will care.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 01, 03:52 PM 2020
Talk about obfuscation?

The ultimate obfuscation?  Yeah, it's having discourse about everything else except taxes.  Taxes.  Taxes.  Taxes. 

Everyone is oblivious.  Exactly how the .001 wants you to be.  Every billionaire can thrive on half their worth.  But greed is the name of the game.  It's a positive character trait even. 

Here's some proof of reincarnation... We don't just die when we die. I don't believe that everyone is reincarnated, though. I couldn't find the full video, but I'm sure there are others.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 03:31 PM 2020bandanas,

If you want to use anything at all, then I would suggest anything but a bandana. A medical expert said that bandanas pretty much do nothing, because they are so thin.

Quote from: Moxy on Aug 01, 04:34 PM 2020The ultimate obfuscation?  Yeah, it's having discourse about everything else except taxes.  Taxes.  Taxes.  Taxes. 

Everyone is oblivious.  Exactly how the .001 wants you to be.  Every billionaire can thrive on half their worth.  But greed is the name of the game.  It's a positive character trait even. 

Screw you. You are nothing but another looter.  The taxes and regulations  promised by the left will drive businesses off shore once again. Nobody is going to get their hands on the one percent's wealth. They will just pass on everything to the consumer, as is always the case. This time there will be a civil war. Idiots like you are not smart enough to survive. I was ready 30 years ago. A shit storm is headed right at you.

If Trump mandated masks everyone would just call him a dictator. It's bad enough that people were ratting on each other for exercising outdoors twice a day, not to mention various other ridiculous things.

Here's the reincarnation video. It replays itself at 15:02.

Quote from: pepper on Aug 01, 05:16 PM 2020
If you want to use anything at all, then I would suggest anything but a bandana. A medical expert said that bandanas pretty much do nothing, because they are so thin.

My bad.  I forgot the study I just read the other day.   A dishwashing cloth would make a good alternative.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Aug 01, 05:19 PM 2020
Screw you. You are nothing but another looter.  The taxes and regulations  promised by the left will drive businesses off shore once again. Nobody is going to get their hands on the one percent's wealth. They will just pass on everything to the consumer, as is always the case. This time there will be a civil war. Idiots like you are not smart enough to survive. I was ready 30 years ago. A shit storm is headed right at you.

Herp, derp.  I'm an old man who thinks capitalism is the end all be all.  Wait till we get ourselves our first trillionaire.

You do know that 80% of the world lives below the (US standards) poverty line and the richest 13(?) individuals equal the monetary worth of 3.5 billion humans. 

Sad sacks like you are prepping for some pointless animalistic endeavor of surviving for another day while the Rothchilds' collect their loot.  Have fun.

At least I'll sleep/die good that I'm on the right side of history.  I had no idea you were such a moronic ape.  Oh well.

My all time motto:

Die a hero, or live a coward?

I'm using a bandana.
The other masks are itchy

This whole coronavirus pandemic is starting to seem like baloney. After massive protests consisting of people practically on top of each other, democrats are saying there was no spike. If that didn't cause anything, then let people go to church and work. WTF?

Washington and Oregon did see spikes though. <<<"probably?" from protests

There were spikes in places like Florida, but this wasn't attributed to protests.

We don't even know the true coronavirus statistics, e.g., someone who was covid negative died in a motorcycle accident, and this was counted as a covid death, LOL!!!!

Quote from: Steve on Aug 01, 11:05 PM 2020I'm using a bandana.
The other masks are itchy

I'm going mask less. I mind as well as build up a natural immunity.

What? Do you expect me to worry about covid for the rest of my freaking life having to get vaccines EVERY year to risk a .001% chance of death?

If that's the case, then we need mandatory lockdowns, because you might get hit by a car on your way to work.

I'm I being serious? I don’t know. I'm just pointing out some things. Yes, I probably will still get the vaccines and wear masks.

Pelosi EXPOSED... She just waits for Trump to take a side on an issue, then goes the opposite, e.g., she says she's worried about the children getting sick, but if Trump was against opening schools she would say that she's worried about the things that are actually killing children at a higher rate than coronavirus, like suicide.

Pelosi is just a top level fraud. There are many just like her. She and many others are literally treasonous, and Trump needs to be more aggressive in dealing with this global cabal. But it exists well beyond the USA. Still he's is a better position than anyone to do something.

If i were president, id do some things very differently. Id definitely rip a few new ones.

I'm thinking of running for President.

First, Id legalize weed. Then Id abolish all taxes. Then Id double the defense budget, and drop some bombs on China. Then on Cuba, and Russia. Because I'm still bitter about the Cuban Missle crisis. I mean how dare they defy the authority of the USA.

Quote from: Steve on Aug 03, 06:54 AM 2020legalize weed

Pretty much all dangerous drugs are already legal. Anyone can just claim blah blah blah to some doctor and get their desired drug.

People think, "I'd legalize all drugs to take loads of money from criminals; drug users are going to get their drugs anyways, because they are hell bent on it from their brains and probably evil entities pulling on strings in the background." ~ minus the evil entity part because everyone is so clueless about them.

Id call on God's power to put a curse on all drugs to make them ineffective, thus saving generations of lives and people's livelihoods.

I actually like drugs being illegal, because they are more dangerous than you think. Also, they actually are legal; they are just moderated in doses. For example, anyone can claim it is hard for them to focus and get prescribed speed. Anyone can claim anxiety and get prescribed benzos. In many places it is or at least was very easy to even get prescribed opioids.

As far as weed goes, I cannot make a proper judgement on whether it should be legal or not.

No politician is going to make the changes needed.

Here's a notable Aussie presenter who says it like it is:



It has been discretely censored, which means you cant search for and find the video on Youtube. You can find copies that havent been censored yet.

What did he say that was so dangerous? And dangerous to who?

Quote from: Steve on Aug 03, 08:11 PM 2020Here's a notable Aussie presenter who says it like it is:

This guy argues/agrees with what I was saying: you might as well as make driving illegal b/c you could be killed in an accident. They should make smoking illegal b/c it's more dangerous than covid. I was semi-kidding, not sure, though. Because I'm pretty sure hospitals were being overrun by covid patients, so wouldn't at least some type of lockdown be necessary? I can't say whether I am for it or not, though, because the media can't be trusted for one.

Here's his world stats:
625,000 covid deaths, 7.2m communicable disease deaths, 4.5m+ cancer deaths, 2.7m+smoking deaths

The United States accounts for about 23% of covid deaths. This figure is uncertain, because the lying communist chinese party completely lies about their figures, like always and everything they do.

Putin announced today that the Coronavirus vaccine has been approved for use and that his daughter already got it. And that they plan to have mass vaccinations in Russia in October. This is all only from 2 months of testing.

Steve what is your opinion on this?

I saw that. I think it's rushed and unreasonable, considering what the credible doctors say.

But I'd trust a russian vaccine over one from a company like Moderna. Still, for a disease that's no worse that a typical flu, I dont see any need to take a vaccine. I'd rather rely on my body's natural defenses, rather than getting jabbed with something I know nothing about.

Quote from: Steve on Aug 11, 08:07 PM 2020
I saw that. I think it's rushed and unreasonable, considering what the credible doctors say.

But I'd trust a russian vaccine over one from a company like Moderna. Still, for a disease that's no worse that a typical flu, I dont see any need to take a vaccine. I'd rather rely on my body's natural defenses, rather than getting jabbed with something I know nothing about.

Why do you think Putin is so confident in it, that he would have his daughter already take it? (unless you think it's a lie).

Every politician appears confident. That's politics.

And finding a covid vaccine or cure first is like proclaiming the biggest wang. Like how china lied saying they eradicated covid.

So i personally wouldn't believe it's safe or effective yet. Everyone will be watching though.

I'm also watching sweden because of their policies of no lockdown (death rate now nearly 0), and madagascar as they claim they have a wonder herb.

Quote from: Steve on Aug 11, 09:28 PM 2020...and madagascar as they claim they have a wonder herb.

Yes, and it makes you penis grow bigger as a side effect.

You'd know.
I'm sure you've Googled the shit out of it.

Well said.


400k+ views in 24hrs.

yes, I will have to since its gon be mandatory in my country so..

People will contextually choose what resonates best with them.

Pepper.
2 thess 5 17

Steve.
It is far beyond reparable, as Im certain you already understand. Its because of the collective cognitive dissonance, but if you consider what was handed out to Pepper there, you will have what it shall ask for, to remain vertical until the very end of this.

It has been delightful to witness the beginning of your last stand. Admirable.

Who has the ears to hear, shall hear. Its that simple, mate.

Steve, I'm reading AUS and NZ are on crazy lockdown and splitting families apart now, although pandemia is a thing of the past.  How's the people's mood?  Are police enforcing this or do they use their common sense?

Its difficult to know what some people are thinking, because we arent allowed out. So there's not much of a social life.

But it appears most people are just fed up, and know now our state premier (Daniel Andrews) stuffed up and made things worse. Now he's lying to cover his ass.

There's a lot of propaganda from media (the major media owned by billionaires). Except on one of the news channels (Sky news) they're telling the truth about what's happening, and so that station has become far more popular than usual.

For now, most people are very unhappy with the situation and laws, but are going along with it - for now.

But when I look at New Zealand, I understand after this lockdown, it's far from the end. Because New Zealand had 100 days without ANY covid cases. Then there was one family that tested positive, and NZ prime minister immediately locked down the country again.

So with with Australian lockdowns, or any lockdowns anywhere, we can have 100 days of no cases, then immediate lockdowns again (back to square one).

This is complete bullshit. There is overall growing anger about it all. People are compliant for now. But I dont think it will continue much longer because the country is being ruined.

There are so many problems with the government covid responses. I mean Australia has about 1000 flu deaths every year. It's the flu season now. And they are saying the flu death is very low this year because of lockdowns. But the covid death rate has REPLACED the flu deaths. Covid is just another damn flu. And it has killed less people than the flu so far.

There's so much bullshit happening its hard to know where to start. Some people have seen it from the start. And some people are only starting to see the bullshit. But by the time enough people see it, the damage will already be done. It's already done now anyway.

In victoria state, almost all decisions are being made by 2 men: the health minister, and the premier. The premier is just covering his ass and is lying constantly. He has been caught out by the media numerous times now. And the advice of every other qualified professional is being outright ignored.

People need to go to jail over this. It really is treason.

Some police are blatant assholes about it. Most are just doing what they're told. They ahve literally broken the glass of some cars to arrest people who drove somewhere they werent allowed. They've started using drones to find people without masks. Its crazy. So much bullshit happening and its going to get worse. We already are in a police state. And the premier is pushing to extend emergency powers to have a lockdown for as long as he wants. If that happens, eventually we're going to see some serious civil unrest. The police even arrested people planning a protest about the lockdowns.

And dont think it wont happen to your country too. The same people behind it all are in every country. We're still at the start.

They are going to keep coming and coming.

The only way this is going to end is if enough people finally stand up and remove these people from power. And it will happen eventually. But the cost of it is more the concern. The longer we wait, the greater the cost.

Agree.  Being passive is being complicit.

I'm afraid it will take just too long for people to wake up. It pretty much depends on when those enforcing the orders will become conscious.  Not us vs them but all in the same boat. If nobody obeys, those up there cant do much but to bark.
Here too in Qc it comes down to two individues: prime minister and his medical advisor.
Most people are against the measures but few are ready to stand up or just ignore mandatory masks indoors, for example.  Some business arent too stiff but franchises go with the headquarter's views.   It's worse in the cities, I believe, although I'm not going there ever.  Stars are being fully bought or censored.

I'll just drop this: hang on,  Q and the White Hats are coming to get them mofos!

Hi guys. I'm new here. You must watch this:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyLMqoST_0

The benefits of the vaccine probably outweigh the risks. Our bodies are tolerant when it comes to toxins, like coronavirus and stuff in vaccines. I'm sure they will make sure the vaccine is safe and effective, so it won't cause cancer, etc. Most people will get over covid, but many patients can overwhelm the hospitals. Also, coronavirus has permanently damaged people's lungs in major ways.

Vaccines are nothing like psychotropic drugs; this is what I was afraid of. Psychotropic drugs can permanently alter your mind, which nobody or at least almost nobody will admit, like doctors, because they simply do not know. I don't believe that a vaccine will cause problems like cancer.

After I got sick with coronavirus, so decided to vaccinate. I had a cough of blood and was very frightened. After vaccination, I feel good. Stay healthy

If you took the jab, you're pretty darn uneducated and stupid. That's most of the world, hence the state of the world.

If you took the jab, the chances are you'll die within 1-10 years of some seemingly unrelated issue, like cancer.

And if you think you're fully vaccinated, there will be booster, and booster etc. It's ongoing.

You've literally changed your DNA to churn out dangerous spike proteins that harm other people, while slowly killing you.

It doesn't end there. A little bit of research, and you would have known better. But if you were gullible and didn't research, you'll eventually find out.

Understand this. It has been a plan for decades. To depopulate the world with a soft-kill bio-weapon. It is all very well documented.

I have no sympathy for stupid people. It also includes my own friends and family, who just have no idea.

The people doing this openly publish their plan, because they know most people are too lazy or stupid to do the research. In that sense, they see sheep as deserving of what they get.

Quote from: Tommyy on Aug 22, 07:23 PM 2020
Hi guys. I'm new here. You must watch this:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyLMqoST_0

Thanks, there's no shortage of proof. It's almost all completely removed from major networks like facebook, youtube, twitter. Content that is published can last for a while, then gets removed. But most people are completely utterly unaware of what's going on.

Have a good look. If you got jabbed, you've bought the lies. You have very little, if any, protection.

bitchute.com/video/1DEWwg9x0GqS/

The reality is a literally Satanic cult is pulling the strings. There's a lot more to it. The reality is so "out there" it's hard to believe. The truth has come out, but when it becomes more widespread, some people just aren't going to cope.

This all ends either with our extermination (including complete transhumanism where we integrate with computers), or the nwo will be wiped out. There's no middle ground.

1. The gain of function virus escaped the lab in China.

2. The CCG GCC GCC GCA codones aren't found naturally in nature, but they can be found on humanized mice.  Nations around the world reacted in panic because US intelligence satellite imagery and intel on the ground that suggested the virus had escaped the lab.  Every year, hundreds of virologists are accidently infected by the viruses they study while playing god.   This includes the last three SARS outbreaks.

3. The vaccine was extremely effective against Alpha.  By the time the virus evolved to Delta, it became less effective, but users were still left with significant T cell protection...meaning those that were infected suffered mild infections.  However, those that weren't often faced devastating illnesses.

4. The Omicron is a much milder infection.  Again, the vax doesn't protect against infection, just serious illness. As someone that been triple vaxed, my infection was just mild cold.  Everyone in my family caught it.  However, my friends that aren't vaxed at all are experiencing intense vomiting, horrible body aches and high temps.  Generally the Omicron is much milder than the others since it doesn't hit the lungs as easily.

5. Most of the people in the hospitals right now are suffering from the Delta. 

6. This whole notion that this is supposed to be some kind of population control is absurd.  Countries around the world need their populations to grow, not dwindle.  Most of the industrialized word is in population decline.  Declining population means a country is losing tax base and needed people to keep the supply chain up running.   Currently there's growing believe that the world population will never reach 10 billion that it will  likely peak below that mark.

5.  What should have everyone's attention is the fact that this virus can cross the blood brain barrier.  This means it can handily damage the brain, increasing the likelihood that those infected may face dementia later in life as a result of the infection.   The initial infection may be just the tip of the iceberg, much like a childhood Chicken Pox infection causes Shingles later in live, some of us may face something more horrific later in live as the damage to the brain begins to show.

6. Russia had Chernobly, China has Covid 19.  Hopefully the world will stop enabling communism and sanction China for their coverup!

Well, I can't edit my post further, sorry for the mislabeled numbers.

And Steve, why in the fuck am I still listed as watched?  This is my last post until you remove that crap.

Bye!

Quote from: Steve on Jan 14, 12:29 AM 2022
If you took the jab, you're pretty darn uneducated and stupid. That's most of the world, hence the state of the world.

If you took the jab, the chances are you'll die within 1-10 years of some seemingly unrelated issue, like cancer.

MRNA does NOT change your DNA.  It does NOT enter the nucleus it exists outside of it in the cytoplasm.   

Quote from: The General on Jan 15, 07:01 PM 2022This whole notion that this is supposed to be some kind of population control is absurd.  Countries around the world need their populations to grow, not dwindle. 

You'll know better soon enough.

Quote from: The General on Jan 15, 07:01 PM 2022Most of the industrialized word is in population decline

You should probably check the global population charts.

Quote from: The General on Jan 15, 07:08 PM 2022And Steve, why in the fuck am I still listed as watched?

Because over the years you've proven to be a troll, with little regard for rules or others. sometimes you're helpful, sometimes you're just trolling.

Lots of members left because of you, and my decision to allow you here. My decision was as I said before, because you were slightly more beneficial than harmful. On one hand, you mostly give accurate information about roulette. On the other hand, you drive people away from the truth because you're intentionally an asshole to people.

Quote from: The General on Jan 15, 07:26 PM 2022MRNA does NOT change your DNA

Actually yes it does. It inhibits your natural immune system, and programs your DNA to produce the spike proteins. The whole idea is unless you keep getting the vaccine, you're screwed. By the time most people realize it, it will already be too late. The unvaccinated will be targeted, and demonized as the problem. I'm ready for that, even if it means execution.

The vaccine protects you from covid for roughly 6-12 months. But it causes far greater problems that will likely eventually kill you.

If you don't get the vax in the first place, then you're more vulnerable to covid, but have better long-term prospects. Covid is really not much different from a common flu. And it's getting weaker.

Whether you believe it or not, covid has been in planning for a long time. I know many of you think its all just "theories". It's theories until you actually see and understand the proof. But no matter, all truth comes out eventually. What matters now is everyone chooses. The line in the sand is drawn. And it's not just about a damn jab.

I'm pretty sure I know how this story ends. The same way for any tyrant, which is freedom wins, after a shit storm. But it's all a cycle within a cycle.

Not acceptable.

Good bye.

Quote from: The General on Jan 15, 09:59 PM 2022Not acceptable.

Neither is your narcissism.

Here's what the INVENTOR of the vaccine's technology said:
bitchute.com/video/Imw45EjIuD0g/

You should see what he's saying. He's now fully aware of the New World Order and is warning people. Here's 3 hours of it on the Joe Rogan show, which now dwarf's CNN in ratings.
bitchute.com/video/GwELlYFhXIfZ/

If you took the vaccine, oops. You cant do proper research and still take the vaccine - unless you're really thick. It is literally designed to kill you.

There far more information. There's no doubt. If you havent yet woken up, you may as well roll over and die.

The NWO wont die quietly. They will fight to the bitter end. Everyone needs to prepare themselves. Most important is food and water supply.

Quote from: Steve on Jan 19, 02:06 AM 2022Here's 3 hours of it on the Joe Rogan show, which now dwarf's CNN in ratings.
bitchute.com/video/GwELlYFhXIfZ/

I watched that one, very interesting. Let's all get through this shit some day, some how.

Quote from: Steve on Jan 19, 02:06 AM 2022You should see what he's saying. He's now fully aware of the New World Order and is warning people. Here's 3 hours of it on the Joe Rogan show, which now dwarf's CNN in ratings.
bitchute.com/video/GwELlYFhXIfZ/

If you took the vaccine, oops. You cant do proper research and still take the vaccine - unless you're really thick. It is literally designed to kill you.

Then why did Malone take it? By the way, I tried posting a link to an article about him, but I get a message saying I'm using forbidden words?

Just tried again with another link, I guess I'm not allowed to post them because I'm a newbie.

Quote from: algojack on Jan 21, 05:06 AM 2022Then why did Malone take it?

That's a question I asked. Regardless, based on what he's saying now, he understands it was a mistake.

No clickable links are allowed by anyone. It's the only way to stop tonnes of spam.

QuoteDr Charles Hoffe MD, in his latest update of July 6, 2021 is reporting on the disturbing findings in his patients. He says the mRNA vaccines are plugging up thousands of tiny capillaries in the blood of those who took the ‘vaccine.’ Most will die in a few short years from heart failure.

The spike proteins injected, which are designed to be mass produced in the bodies of the vaccinated, are the cause of the clotting, which is having adverse effects on no fewer than 60 percent of people injected.

Dr Hoffe, who practices medicine at Lytton BC Canada explains:

“We now know that only 25 percent of the ‘vaccine’ injected into a person’s arm actually stays in your arm. The other 75 percent is collected by your lymphatic system and literally fed into your circulation so these little packages of messenger RNA, and by the way in a single dose of Moderna ‘vaccine’ there are literally 40 trillion mRNA molecules.  These packages are designed to be absorbed into your cells. But the only place they can be absorbed is around your blood vessels and the place where they are absorbed is the capillary networks â€" the tiniest blood vessels where the blood flow slows right down and where the genes are released. Your body then gets to work reading and then manufacturing trillions and trillions of these spike proteins. Each gene can produce many, many spike proteins. The body then recognises these are foreign bodies so it makes antibodies against it so your are then protected against COVID. That’s the idea.”


But here’s where the problem comes. In a coronavirus that spike protein becomes part of the viral capsule. In other words it becomes part of the cell wall around the virus. But it is not in a virus. It is in your cells. So it becomes part of the cell wall of your vascular endothelium.

This means that these cells which line your blood vessels, which are supposed to be smooth so that your blood flows smoothly now have these little spikey bits sticking out.


Dr Hoffe continues:

“So it is absolutely inevitable that blood clots will form because your blood platelets circulate round your blood vessels, and the purpose of blood platelets is to identify damaged vessels and stop bleeding.  So, when the platelet comes through the capillary it suddenly hits all these COVID spikes and it becomes absolutely inevitable that blood clots will form to block that vessel.”

Therefore, these spike proteins can predictably cause blood clots. They are in your blood vessels (if mRNA ‘vaccinated’) so it is guaranteed. Dr Bahrdi then said to me that the way to prove this is to do a blood test called a D-dimer blood test.

“The blood clots we hear about which the media claim are very rare are the big blood clots which are the ones that cause strokes and show up on CT scans, MRI, etc. The clots I’m talking about are microscopic and too small to find on any scan. They can thus only be detected using the D-dimer test.”

Dr Hoffe explains he has been performing D-dimer tests on his mRNA ‘vaccinated’ patients and he has worryingly identified that 62 percent of them had these microscopic blood clots.

“These people have no idea they are even having these microscopic blood clots. The most alarming part of this is that there are some parts of the body like the brain, spinal cord, heart and lungs which cannot re-generate. When those tissues are damaged by blood clots they are permanently damaged.”

The result, says Dr Hoffe, is that these patients have what is termed Reduced Effort Tolerance (RET) which means they get out of breath much easily than they used to. It is because the blood vessels in their lungs are now blocked up. In turn, this causes the heart to need to work harder to try to keep up against a much greater resistance trying to get the blood through your lungs.

This is called pulmonary artery hypertension â€" high blood pressure in the lungs because the blood simply cannot get through effectively.  People with this condition usually die of heart failure within a few short years.

In conclusion, Dr Hoffe lamented:

“These Shots Are Causing Huge Damage And The Worst Is Yet To Come.”

There are multiple fact-check sites which show that this is false.

QuoteA video posted on Facebook claims that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines inevitably cause blood clots.
The July 15 post says “blood clots are a silent killer” and includes a video of Canadian doctor Charles Hoffe, who claims mRNA vaccines cause blood vessels to be lined with COVID-19 spike proteins resulting in blood clots in the majority of vaccine recipients.
“(It’s) because your blood platelets circulate around in your blood vessels, and the purpose of blood platelets is to detect a damaged vessel and block that vessel to stop bleeding. So when the platelet comes through the capillary, it suddenly hits all these COVID spikes that are jutting into the inside of the vessel, it is absolutely inevitable that a blood clot will form to block that vessel,” Dr Hoffe says (video mark 2min 15secs).
At the time of writing, the post had been shared more than 1,400 times. It was posted by the Cameron Sar Fan Page account, which is primarily managed from Australia and has more than 95,000 followers. Mr Sar claims to be president of the Cambodian Broadcasting Network Inc, which is an Australia-based YouTube channel.
Dr Hoffe’s claim has been shared widely on social media, including by Facebook accounts in New Zealand and Australia

The Analysis

It’s true some COVID-19 vaccines have been linked to a small increase in the risk of a rare blood clotting disorder, however there is no evidence that mRNA vaccines increase the risk â€" let alone lead to “inevitable” clots, as claimed by Dr Hoffe in the video.
There are three main types of COVID-19 vaccines: mRNA vaccines, such as the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines; viral vector vaccines, including the Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines; and protein subunit vaccines, including the Novavax vaccine.
Both the mRNA vaccines and viral vector vaccines work by giving instructions to cells to make harmless copies of the SARS-COV-2 spike protein, which causes the body to develop antibodies to fight off the virus that causes COVID-19.
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine and the AstraZeneca viral vector vaccines have been linked to a very small increase in the risk of a rare blood clotting disorder.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said after the administration of more than eight million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the US there had been 15 cases where recipients developed a clotting condition called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS). All the cases were in women aged between 18 and 59.
Australia’s Department of Health says there is an established link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots, affecting about four to six people out of every million vaccinated. It recommends people aged under 60 receive the Pfizer vaccine instead due to the higher likelihood of the condition occurring in younger recipients.
The Australian government’s Health Direct website says the mechanism that causes TTS in vaccine recipients is not fully understood and is still being investigated.
In an April article, University of Western Australia associate professor of haematology Matthew Linden said the clotting was caused when the vaccine interacted with proteins in blood platelets, causing an immune response against the platelets â€" which in turn responded by clumping together.
The mRNA vaccines, however, have not been linked to blood clots.
In May, the European Medicines Agency reviewed the incidence of blood clots among mRNA vaccine recipients and found “their frequency is lower than the one occurring in people who have not been vaccinated” and the evidence did not suggest a causal relationship.
The CDC also said blood clots have not been linked to the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines after the administration of more than 210 million doses as of April 23.
University of Auckland vaccinologist Helen Petousis-Harris, who is chair of the World Health Organization’s global advisory committee on vaccine safety, told AAP FactCheck via email that “if mRNA vaccines ‘inevitably caused blood clots’ then we would inevitably see more blood clots occurring in people vaccinated with mRNA vaccines compared with those who are unvaccinated.”
“Given this is not the case, their hypothesis is not supported by epidemiological evidence, ” Dr Petousis-Harris said.
“The notion that there are spike proteins tearing around the vascular system and jutting out of cell walls is flawed. This is not what happens. The amount of spike that can be measured is in the order of picograms and transient.”
One study indicated that very low concentrations of spike proteins could be detected in mRNA vaccine recipients, however one of its authors told AAP FactCheck this did not mean the vaccine could cause harm â€" rather it showed it was working as intended.
Dr Linden also said there was no robust evidence to show that people who received mRNA vaccines were at higher risk of blood clots than the general population.
“To my knowledge spike protein subunit expression on vascular endothelium capable of activating platelets from the circulation has not been demonstrated following mRNA (or adenovirus) vaccine,” he said in an email to AAP FactCheck.
Similarly, the French Society of Haematology told AFP that the purported experiment on which Dr Hoffe based his claims was “not a scientific study, and does not fall under the heading of ‘evidence-based medicine.’ Therefore, no credit can be given to these results”.
University of Queensland biopharmaceutical professor Trent Munro, who worked as part of a team developing a COVID-19 vaccine candidate, told AAP FactCheck that he was “not aware of any statistical, confirmed association with clotting disorders for either the Moderna or Pfizer mRNA COVID-19 vaccines”.
He referred to a study published in Nature in June which looked at the incidence of blood clots following 2.53 million vaccinations in Scotland and found there was no link between the Pfizer vaccine and clotting events.
The Facebook post is an excerpt from a longer video in which Dr Hoffe claims his information comes from German microbiologist Sucharit Bhakdi (video mark 20min 40sec), who has previously spread misinformation about COVID-19 including claiming the pandemic is fake and vaccines will decimate the world’s population.
Dr Hoffe has also spread misinformation on COVID-19 vaccines, including that they are more dangerous than the illness.

The Verdict

Multiple studies have found no causal link between mRNA vaccines and blood clots, while experts also told AAP FactCheck the claim the treatments would lead to inevitable clotting was unsupported by any evidence.

False â€" Content that has no basis in fact.

Quote from: algojack on Jan 30, 04:11 AM 2022
There are multiple fact-check sites which show that this is false.

If someone prefers to trust sites that have been created and are financed by people who care about falsifying reality, instead of the opinion of a real DOCTOR who risks a lot to reveal an inconvenient truth, then this is only the problem of such a naive person.

Quote from: Ares289 on Jan 30, 06:52 PM 2022If someone prefers to trust sites that have been created and are financed by people who care about falsifying reality

Any evidence for that? He admits himself that his investigation wasn't a serious scientific study and was not peer reviewed. He is a known anti-vaxxer has made other false claims regarding covid. Only a naive person would get their "news" from facebook.

And it defies common sense. If 62% of people who have taken the vaccine have blood clots then this must amount to 100s of millions of people and hospitals would be flooded with them, yet there is no news about this. Is that a cover-up too??

Quote from: algojack on Jan 31, 03:33 AM 2022
He is a known anti-vaxxer has made other false claims regarding covid.

Any evidence for that?

QuoteAnd it defies common sense. If 62% of people who have taken the vaccine have blood clots then this must amount to 100s of millions of people and hospitals would be flooded with them, yet there is no news about this. Is that a cover-up too?

Where in his statement did you read that the negative effects resulting from the presence of blood clots would begin to become apparent IMMEDIATELY after taking this experimental medical preparation?

Quote from: Ares289 on Jan 31, 05:12 AM 2022Any evidence for that?

I asked first. Where is the evidence that fact-checking sites are funded by "people who care about falsifying reality"? And who are those people?

As for your second question, the vaccines have been around for well over a year, and yet there is NO evidence, apart from a very small number of cases relating to the Astrazenica (in younger people) that they cause blood clots. Right now literally billions of people (over half the world's population) have had at least one vaccine, but no alarm signals have been raised about blood clots. On the other hand, the vast majority of people who are still dying from covid have had no vaccine at. So the evidence is exactly the opposite to what this guy is claiming. So what if he is risking his livelihood by claiming it? There could be many reasons why he doesn't care.

Quote from: algojack on Jan 31, 05:51 AM 2022
I asked first. Where is the evidence that fact-checking sites are funded by "people who care about falsifying reality"? And who are those people?

I don't have to prove it to you because I never said I'd do it.

QuoteAs for your second question, the vaccines have been around for well over a year, and yet there is NO evidence, apart from a very small number of cases relating to the Astrazenica (in younger people) that they cause blood clots.

Here you have the answer:

QuoteThe blood clots we hear about which the media claim are very rare are the big blood clots which are the ones that cause strokes and show up on CT scans, MRI, etc. The clots I’m talking about are microscopic and too small to find on any scan. They can thus only be detected using the D-dimer test.

QuoteRight now literally billions of people (over half the world's population) have had at least one vaccine, but no alarm signals have been raised about blood clots.

How many cases do you know of people who have been tested for the presence of ANY blood clots after death?

This guy is a family doctor (from a Google search) from Lytton BC which, from another Google search is a village of around 250 people. Family doctors round here are known as GPs and generally spend their days  treating minor illnesses and yet he is an expert in micro biology and has seen something that thousands or more qualified scientists have missed.

Quote from: Klausy on Jan 31, 08:34 AM 2022
This guy is a family doctor (from a Google search) from Lytton BC which, from another Google search is a village of around 250 people. Family doctors round here are known as GPs and generally spend their days  treating minor illnesses and yet he is an expert in micro biology and has seen something that thousands or more qualified scientists have missed.

The fact that most experts and scientists are silent about this doesn't mean that they don't know it, anyone who dares to speak out loud about it's very quickly persecuted and effectively discredited so that other people will never dare.

Besides, it just doesn't pay off for them, because they can lose everything, and apart from the gratitude of a certain part of society, they have nothing to gain...

Quote from: Klausy on Jan 31, 08:34 AM 2022and yet he is an expert in micro biology and has seen something that thousands or more qualified scientists have missed.

Exactly. The people who researched all this are specialists and experts, not doctors in general practice. And to repeat, Dr Hoffe admits that his "study" wasn't peer reviewed and he didn't follow the scientific method. There are other explanations for his results. The guy is a conspiracy theorist.

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Hoffe's letter also echoes a common but thoroughly debunked talking point used in conspiracy theorist circles that suggests mRNA vaccines are actually a form of "experimental gene modification therapy."

These vaccines, which include the COVID-19 shots from Pfizer and Moderna, absolutely cannot alter someone's genes.

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The fact that most experts and scientists are silent about this doesn't mean that they don't know it, anyone who dares to speak out loud about it's very quickly persecuted and effectively discredited so that other people will never dare.

This just isn't true and it's not the way science and medicine works. There are procedures in place to allow doctors and other medical professionals to raise any concerns they may have about treatments. If "negative" feedback was banned and those who gave it were persecuted there wouldn't be any opportunity to investigate and put things right if issues came to light. Your attitude is clearly paranoid.

If this guy sincerely believes there is a problem he should do a proper study following the scientific method and not just submit some half-assed report, which is all he's done. The reason he's got into trouble is because he is persisting in his anti-vaxxer activities and clearly believes there's a conspiracy. He also thinks the vaccines are "experimental", which is another falsehood.

This article from The Lancet (the oldest and one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals) has this to say about vaccines-

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Rushing Vaccines: Reporting global efforts to develop COVID-19 vaccines as a “race” while tying it to national identities or imbuing the US COVID-19 vaccine program with Star Trek imagery were not helpful. For years, a central but false tenet of the antivaccine lobby has been that vaccines are not adequately tested for safety. In both the US and internationally, phase 3 trials were well-powered studies of 30,000 to 60,000 human volunteers, equivalent to other large vaccine clinical trials required to license vaccines.


An “average vaccine” requires a 10.7-year timeline beginning with the preclinical phase, whereas COVID-19 vaccine programs may complete clinical testing leading to EUA in less than a year. However, the research on COVID-19 vaccines did not first begin in 2020, but instead built on a decade of previous research on coronaviruses, leading to proof-of-concept for the spike protein as a lead vaccine target. Therefore, when Chinese scientists placed the SARS-2 coronavirus genomic sequence on preprint servers in January 2020, it was possible to quickly adapt previous vaccine concepts to this new virus pathogen. A second accelerant was the use of new mRNA and adenovirus technologies allowing a fast turnaround time from elucidating the genomic sequence to making early prototype vaccines. A third and bona fide speed component was building factories for vaccine manufacturing in parallel with clinical testing. Known as manufacturing “at risk”, this is in contrast to traditional approaches in which vaccines might typically go through full approval before embarking on manufacture. Finally, the first COVID-19 vaccines are already being released through EUA mechanisms due to the lengthy time often required for formal approval of a biologics license application (BLA). American, European, and British national regulatory authorities undertook extensive measures to approximate full BLA approval both in terms of adequately assessing COVID-19 vaccines for efficacy and safety, and inspection of vaccine manufacturing facilities. Ultimately, the COVID-19 vaccines are expected to complete the full licensure process.

Quote from: algojack on Jan 31, 11:10 AM 2022
This just isn't true and it's not the way science and medicine works. There are procedures in place to allow doctors and other medical professionals to raise any concerns they may have about treatments. If "negative" feedback was banned and those who gave it were persecuted there wouldn't be any opportunity to investigate and put things right if issues came to light. Your attitude is clearly paranoid.

It would be great to live in your imaginary world, but unfortunately...

- REAL LIFE looks completely different:

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Doctors Are Being Persecuted For Telling The Truth About COVID-19


The Great Barrington Declaration, the World Doctors Alliance, America Frontline Doctors â€" these are the stories of the growing movement of doctors whose freedoms are actively trampled on by the medical tyranny of global censorship.

Early on during the COVID-19 pandemic, when fear and uncertainties were running high, Dr. Simone Gold read up on a 2005 study published by the National Institute of Health showing how hydroxychloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread. There was also data coming from China and France that backed up the study showing the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treating the Wuhan Virus, as it was known at that time.

Following the guidelines from these studies, Dr. Gold successfully treated her patients who came into her practice with early onset of the novel coronavirus. Like any competent doctor, she was overjoyed when her patients recovered. Early treatment worked. COVID-19 was not a death sentence.

Feeling accomplished, Dr. Gold anticipated that she would gain recognition and praise for her work. But little did she know, in her mission to inform others of her lifesaving discovery, that she would instead end up being punished for her knowledge.

Not only was Dr. Gold fired by her hospital for daring to present evidence contrary to the ruling narrative, but she was also demonized and bashed throughout the media landscape for “spreading dangerous misinformation” about COVID-19. No one from the media establishment even bothered to interview her patients who had recovered from the virus through this course of treatment. 

However, not to be easily dissuaded, Dr. Gold stood her ground. This was a lifesaving discovery, and it was only right that the public should be made aware of it. In search of a prominent platform that would allow her to share her message (she was, after all, silenced and censored everywhere else), Dr. Gold agreed to give a speech about medical censorship at Capitol Hill on the fateful day of January 6, 2021.

Dr. Gold was fired by her hospital for daring to present evidence contrary to the ruling narrative.

For this, she’s now labeled a domestic terrorist by the FBI and was put on the No-Fly List. But Dr. Simone Gold isn’t the only medical personnel who has been punished for telling the truth about COVID-19.

Killing the Miner’s Canary 

Professor Sucharit Bhakdi, M.D, was the head of the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene of The Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz. It’s one of the leading medical universities in Germany and is also considered one of the most prestigious universities in the nation. Dr. Bhakdi has published over 300 research papers on immunology, bacteriology, virology, and parasitology, for which he has received numerous awards and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate.

In February 2021, Dr. Bhakdi and his colleagues warned the European Medicines Agency that the experimental gene-based injections could potentially cause blood clots and cerebral vein thrombosis. For this, Dr. Bhakdi was shamed and ridiculed.

Fast forward to today, and practically every COVID-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Pfizer have been reported to have triggered blood clots and cerebral vein thrombosis â€" just as Dr. Bhakdi previously warned would happen.

Dr. Bhakdi warned the European Medicines Agency that the vaccines could potentially cause blood clots.

But the damage to Dr. Bhakdi’s reputation was complete. He was already denigrated as a “pseudo-scientific nuisance" and given the negative award of the “Goldenen Brett vorm Kopf” by the Society for the Scientific Investigation of Pseudosciences in Germany. To put it simply, Dr. Bhakdi’s name is now forever defamed, even when he was right all along.

First, Do No Harm

If there’s one documentary you need to watch this year, it’s Seeing 2020: The Censored Science of the COVID-19 Pandemic. But don’t bother trying to search for it on Google, because the link to purchase and watch the film can’t be found on the front page of Google’s search engine.   

Court Koshar is a medical doctor and one of the producers of Seeing 2020. Dr. Koshar noticed the peculiarity in the world of medicine during the year 2020. For as long as he had been practicing medicine, he stated, “I had never before seen physicians that were placing blame on children for infecting and killing their grandparents. I’d never before seen physicians refuse to treat patients when they were too afraid themselves to let their patients come into their offices. And I’d never seen the media or politicians essentially drive the way that treatment and healthcare was practiced in America. And I was afraid of what I was seeing.”

Not Allowed To Save Lives

Another physician, Dr. Richard Urso revealed how during the early stage of the pandemic, following the data on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, he had advised doctors to send a patient with acceptable oxygen saturation home with a regiment of HCQ, Zinc, and Azithromycin, but doctors would refuse because they knew they would end up being investigated by the medical board and could potentially lose their license.

“I was quite frightened,” said Dr. Richard Urso, but nevertheless, he decided to go back to work because he felt a duty to heal his patients. “The whole COVID situation was co-opted to create fear not only in the populace, but also created fear in the doctors to treat these patients.”

Read that again: Doctors are afraid of prescribing a treatment that will work because they risk being punished for trying to save their patients’ lives.

Doctors Resisting the Propaganda

Unsurprisingly, there’s a growing movement of doctors and physicians who are tired of the propaganda behind COVID-19. Groups such as The World Doctors Alliance and The Great Barrington Declaration are some of the examples of an international movement of doctors who are raising skepticism about how the COVID-19 problem is being handled. Unsurprisingly, these groups are also demonized and censored by the media.

For example, according to their website, The World Doctor Alliance is “an independent non-profit alliance of doctors, nurses, healthcare professionals, and staff around the world who have united in the wake of the COVID-19 response to share experiences with a view to ending all lockdowns and related damaging measures.”

Just like the Seeing 2020 documentary, a quick search on Google for “World Doctors Alliance” will not return their website on the first page of Google's search results. Instead, you'll see article upon article denouncing this group of doctors as irresponsible quacks. But type in the same query on Bing or DuckDuckGo, and you'll see their website as the first one listed at the top of your search.

These doctors and healthcare professionals are doing as much as they can to voice their concerns, but they’re actively silenced by the media, targeted by Big Tech, and persecuted by the government for going against official recommendations.

Official Recommendations with No Relevance to Reality

Doctors have proof that they’re able to successfully treat patients, as well as research findings to back up their treatments. However, in May 2020, a study appeared in The Lancet (one of the most trusted medical journals) that began to cast doubt on the therapeutic treatment of hydroxychloroquine that had worked so well for so many patients.

“When that article came out, it was a body blow to all of us who were treating patients because we knew from what we had seen and observed ourselves, that there was no way that that could be the case. That it (the study) was not true. That it (hydroxychloroquine) was working for people” said Dr. Robin Armstrong, another doctor interviewed in the documentary.

Turns out, the study was outright deceptive, and The Lancet was forced to retract the study. To put this in a simpler perspective, the most prestigious medical journal which had preserved its trusted reputation as an unbiased source of knowledge had to withdraw the so-called “study” for being fraudulent. 

The Lancet published and then retracted a study that cast doubt on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine.

“Even after it was retracted, it was used by Facebook hundreds of times as the basis to block my and other doctors’ videos, statements, repost of legitimate journal articles and scientific publications documenting the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine,” said Dr. Mark McDonald.

As Dr. McDonald stated, “My opinion of the scientific community now is entirely different to what it was from last year. To be clear, what changed isn’t in my view of science, but rather those who speak on behalf of science. Nothing that I see published now can be taken at face value, but instead, I must assume that it has a high chance of bias.”

Dr. Urso concurred: “Hospitals are powerful. Insurance companies are powerful. Pharmaceutical companies are powerful. The outpatient doctor, the individual doctors, like me, we are not powerful. But we are smart. We know medicine much better than insurance and much better than the hospital. Hydroxychloroquine works.”

The Oppression of Medical Tyranny

Unfortunately, these are only a few stories of medical oppression that came up during the course of research for this article. For every one of these doctors, there are countless others who are also enduring the same persecution in silence. 

Dr. David Brownstein, for example, was forced by the Federal Trade Commission to take down videos of interviews he recorded of his own COVID patients whom he successfully treated because his course of therapy didn’t fit the accepted official narrative.

Doctors are afraid â€" losing their license to practice medicine could mean losing everything.

Doctors are afraid. Can you blame them? Apart from the high costs of malpractice insurance and bogus lawsuits, the average debt incurred by a medical student is around $241,000. Losing their license to practice medicine could mean losing everything they’ve worked for tirelessly their entire lives.

The combined powers of the state, Big Tech, the media establishment, and large institutions (like the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) have forced the men and women in medicine to react like an animal at the end of a whip  â€"  always in fear.

Closing Thoughts

While it’s an outright injustice for doctors to lose their licenses for trying to save lives, it’s worse for us because, at the end of the day, it’s we â€" their patients â€" who will end up paying for this growth of medical tyranny with the loss of our own lives.

Ares - Do you not agree that the Lytton doctor in your first article has almost no credibility to say the things he did? And if so, do you not worry that you may have been influenced by articles on other equally less qualified people?

Quote from: Klausy on Feb 02, 03:11 AM 2022
Ares - Do you not agree that the Lytton doctor in your first article has almost no credibility to say the things he did?

Everyone can have their own opinion about his credibility, but you have to consider that he's not the only example of a man who has the courage to speak out publicly about this, although of course there aren't many people like that, because when they take such a very brave step, they really risk losing everything...

QuoteAnd if so, do you not worry that you may have been influenced by articles on other equally less qualified people?

I would have to be a total ignorant to listen to the opinions of only those people who are officially considered credible enough, because these people have absolutely no reason to proclaim an inconvenient truth and unfortunately at the same time have too many reasons not to do so.

Roulette game and forum is for ppls have a normale IQ.
If you are An idiot,can never understand how to play and be.
Idiot is not an offense,but in sanscrit
mean:A Vida..
A Vida is mean not to see  more than our intelligent!.
The vaccin is for: not to get a lots ppls
Siek,and go massal to the intensive care ...
Give the time to experts to resolve
The virus...Amen!!

None of us know for sure (unless there are some roulette scientists among us), we can only go on what we read or hear on the internet and the media.

- They might be right, in which case they can be lauded as heroes by the unvaccinated for saving their lives and the rest of us are in for a pretty bleak time.

- They might be wrong, in which case they and those who shared their views will have to come to terms with the fact that people will have lost their lives as a result of being influenced by what they said.

Klausy,

Yes, we can know for sure what is the truth, or at least know beyond reasonable doubt, just by using common sense and some critical thinking, as you've already done regarding Dr Hoffe.

Look at Ares289's post in which he copied an article from an unknown website. Post the title of the article into google and you'll find the site (eviemagazine, which is a health & beauty magazine for women, so hardly a heavyweight and trusted source of information on Covid).

Next, google the three organizations mentioned in the article : The World Doctor's Alliance, the Great Barrington Declaration (Wikipedia has an article on them), and America's Frontline Doctors.

I think you'll agree with me after reading about all three that NONE of them are impartial or to be trusted regarding Covid. They all have their own twisted agenda, just like Ares289 seems to. Or maybe he sincerely believes it, in which case he's either not very bright or he's saying "screw you" to his own brain.

There is a massive amount of information out there but you need to be discriminating to get to the truth. Some people are for some reason intent on scaremongering and disinformation. But with a little thought and effort it's not hard to refute them.

I think that sums it up.

Quote from: algojack on Feb 02, 12:27 PM 2022
Yes, we can know for sure what is the truth, or at least know beyond reasonable doubt, just by using common sense and some critical thinking, as you've already done regarding Dr Hoffe.

What are your competence to claim that Dr. Charles Hoffe is not credible enough to be trusted?

QuoteLook at Ares289's post in which he copied an article from an unknown website. Post the title of the article into google and you'll find the site (eviemagazine, which is a health & beauty magazine for women, so hardly a heavyweight and trusted source of information on Covid).

The source of this article is irrelevant due to the fact that it's just a collection of relevant information that has already been confirmed.

QuoteI think you'll agree with me after reading about all three that NONE of them are impartial or to be trusted regarding Covid. They all have their own twisted agenda, just like Ares289 seems to.

Can't trust these real experts, doctors and professors just because what they say goes against what you believe?

QuoteThere is a massive amount of information out there but you need to be discriminating to get to the truth. Some people are for some reason intent on scaremongering and disinformation. But with a little thought and effort it's not hard to refute them.

This is absolutely TRUE, because that is exactly what governments and the media they run have done with the Coronavirus issue - SCAREMONGERING AND DISINFORMATION in order to justify their unlawful actions.

totally agree with Ares and steve

Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 04, 02:32 PM 2022
totally agree with Ares and steve

Thanks! :thumbsup:

Ares - What you have posted may or may not be true (extremely unlikely in my view, but that is just my view). You may have other compelling evidence to reinforce your view in which case well I can’t argue with that.

That however isn’t compelling testimony by any stretch of the imagination. If you can’t see that then well there isn’t anything more I can say.

Cheers

Over a year ago, on the first 2 pages of this thread I have posted my opinion and it hasn't changed. The truth is in the middle, and there is no plan/conspiracy.

Steve, I recommend to watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=-cZ5gGloYa8

In order to understand the problem with conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking, you need to have a proper understanding of epistemology, along with how confirmation bias works. Mind works in very tricky ways, and it's very easy even for a very intelligent person to fall into such delusional thinking.

Why are conspiracy theories so attractive and why do people fall for it? Because guys like Alex Jones, David Icke, etc sprinkle some truths in them, and people assume just because one thing is true, than everything else they are saying is true.

David Icke to this very day denies that covid exists, which is insanity. I myself had covid (it was like flu), and have met young people who had it very bad and were in the hospital.

Another observation that I have made, is that I haven't met one happy+healthy person in life who believes in conspiracy theories. Simply put, it is unhealthy to live in that paradigm, and it is not a way to build a good life.

For those wondering, no I haven't gotten the vaccine and won't be getting one, but that is not because I believe there is some evil conspiracy to depopulate the world, etc. And yes, there has been heavy propaganda going on in MSM, and fearmongering, but those things are independent, and not coordinated, like the conspiracy guys want you to believe.

If you go on an MSM news site, and Infowars and observe closely, you will find that they are very similar. Both are promoting their own agenda, with some truth being sprinkled along the way, and a lot of fearmongering. The best that one can do is read info from different sources, and make your own conclusions, without buying into a specific narrative/agenda.

Most importantly, the biggest evil/devil out there is your ego. It's not some "globalist cult" that is attempting to control the world, it is your ego, that divides everything, and distorts you from seeing the truth. It is your ego that always run it's own agenda. Understanding how your own mind works, epistemology, and actually wanting to know what is true, is what will give you this understanding.  Conspiratorial thinking is a great way for the ego to distract you from actual reality that is going on.

Quote from: Klausy on Feb 05, 06:22 AM 2022
Ares - What you have posted may or may not be true (extremely unlikely in my view, but that is just my view). You may have other compelling evidence to reinforce your view in which case well I can’t argue with that.

Okay, no problem.

I understand your approach to this topic because it's a very complex issue and I respect your point of view even if it's different from mine.