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Title: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Oct 30, 10:20 PM 2020
One cannot achieve a positive expected value by following pattern nor trends. These things are just created in one's mind. The randomness produced by rng or roulette wheels does not follow any laws or rules that can be taken advantage of. Gizmotron has been attempting to distort such said facts with lies, delusion, and disinformation.

You can only achieve a positive expected value with advantage play. May I suggest poker or outside the box type thinking...
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:26 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 30, 10:20 PM 2020One cannot achieve a positive expected value by following pattern nor trends. These things are just created in one's mind.
I have said all along, from the very beginning, that these trend or pattern formations only exist in my mind. I'm not trying to say they are magical. It's just you suggesting that I'm saying that they have some kind of deterministic power. So you have an illusion of you being right by saying pigs can't fly. So when are you going to stop beating your wife? That was a classic response styled question, rhetorical.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 05:50 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:26 AM 2020
I have said all along, from the very beginning, that these trend or pattern formations only exist in my mind. I'm not trying to say they are magical. It's just you suggesting that I'm saying that they have some kind of deterministic power. So you have an illusion of you being right by saying pigs can't fly. So when are you going to stop beating your wife? That was a classic response styled question, rhetorical.

If they are all in your mind, that means that they are totally irrelevant. The bets that you are making have no better chance of winning than random bets.

There are 37 numbers, but the payout is 36 to 1. Those patterns do not give you an edge to make your bets profitable.

If they did, then you would be able to win with flat bets.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:17 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:50 AM 2020If they are all in your mind, that means that they are totally irrelevant.
That's right. They are irrelevant. You have just concluded that they have no power to predict. So please stop saying that I'm claiming such a power. I know it's the argument that you want to win. It does not matter.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:21 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:50 AM 2020There are 37 numbers, but the payout is 36 to 1. Those patterns do not give you an edge to make your bets profitable.

If they did, then you would be able to win with flat bets.
I can see that I will never be able to explain this too you.

Variable Change is a known math. Yet they argue still to this day over it. It's just your rule to ignore conditional awareness and then say "you must flat bet" or I will not be happy.  So be sad. I have blown the lid off of all this by suggesting the math. It's no longer a mystery. It's Halloween. "Trick or treat."
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:23 AM 2020
I'm not blowing any more brain cells arguing with mathZombies. I'll save them for R-sim.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 06:31 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:17 AM 2020That's right. They are irrelevant. You have just concluded that they have no power to predict. So please stop saying that I'm claiming such a power.
Then how are you getting a positive expected value?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:21 AM 2020ignore conditional awareness
It's impossible to apply conditional awareness to an unbiased roulette wheel or real rng.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 06:42 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:17 AM 2020
That's right. They are irrelevant. You have just concluded that they have no power to predict. So please stop saying that I'm claiming such a power. I know it's the argument that you want to win. It does not matter.

I am not claiming that you have such power. That is your own projection. You are clearly not understanding me at all.

If you have no power to predict - it means you have no edge. It means that it's a losing system.

Actual advantage play methods have a way to increase the accuracy of their predictions. Those are physics, and precognition.

RR is not an AP method, now you understand why.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:28 AM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 06:42 AM 2020RR is not an AP method, now you understand why.
That's just according to you. Variable Change is a mathematical advantage and an odds changer.  You just refuse to recognize it or admit it. It's not really a problem. You will just have to be shown it to believe it.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 10:48 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:28 AM 2020
That's just according to you. Variable Change is a mathematical advantage and an odds changer.  You just refuse to recognize it or admit it. It's not really a problem. You will just have to be shown it to believe it.

No, you are not understanding what a "variable change" is in Roulette context. In Blackjack, the variable change happens when certain cards come out. On a roulette wheel - once the green 0 hits, it doesn't mean it has lower chances of hitting the next spin - the odds remain the same of that happening on every spin, regardless of past spins.

Roulette Wheel has no memory.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 12:14 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020That alone is a delusion. You are just regurgitating something that has been held up for a long while as truth. It's not.
How is it not truth? You can look at everyone's bets, and they all come out to around the expected value according to the house edge.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020Guess what Mr. Wizard?
If you can win, you'd be able to take these system challenges and earn tons of free easy money. I'm sure they won't care if it's not a mechanical system.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020If I can sit out parts of a losing streak then I have changed the odds.
This is simply not true. You will never know when a losing streak will end.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020I'm taking losses out of a sequence of spins.
This is a typical gambler's fallacy.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020"Mother" insults were a vast pleasure of the 60's & 70's
They still are.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:18 PM 2020
Don't Feed the troll !
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 02:28 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020
If I can sit out parts of a losing streak then I have changed the odds. That process is variable change. 

How can you sit out a losing streak, if you can't predict when it will start and when it will end? In this case, you are sitting out at random times, and your bet selection is no better than random.

I don't understand how can someone be so deluded.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 31, 03:50 PM 2020
It's just like betting that reds will continue when they hit x times, just in a fancy way that sounds complicated and impossible. They don't need to prove but it works, losing sessions on r-sim are only to make us confused so we don't get this HG, why play there anyway? I don't know. To me all this sounds beyond stupid.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:00 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 02:28 PM 2020
How can you sit out a losing streak, if you can't predict when it will start and when it will end? In this case, you are sitting out at random times, and your bet selection is no better than random.

I don't understand how can someone be so deluded.

Just look in the mirror.

You can't sit out the whole losing streak. But you can sit out small parts of them. Once again there's that all fired prediction problem again. Man you are totally hung up on prediction.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 05:13 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:00 PM 2020
Just look in the mirror.

You can't sit out the whole losing streak. But you can sit out small parts of them. Once again there's that all fired prediction problem again. Man you are totally hung up on prediction.

What consits of small parts of streaks? Individual numbers.

In order to sit out the small parts, you will still need to increase the accuracy of your bet selections.

Masking and packing numbers into “streaks”, doesn’t change the fact that you need to increase the accuracy of bet selections. The math is still the same and your bets are still as good as random.


Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:18 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:13 PM 2020What consits of small parts of streaks? Individual numbers.
I can't deal with you. Your mind is so closed up. We'll just pretend that you are smart. Why not? After all you are pretending to be smart.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 05:24 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:18 PM 2020
I can't deal with you. Your mind is so closed up. We'll just pretend that you are smart. Why not? After all you are pretending to be smart.

Typical gizmotron, you revert every time to ad hominem, when you don't have a response.

I will ask you again:  What consists of small parts of streaks? Individual numbers.  If not, then I want you to tell me what consists of small parts of those streaks.

Checkmate.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Oct 31, 05:33 PM 2020
Many people think that "random" is means the same as "illogical" and "chaotic", and these naive people don't understand that if it were true, then reality in its present form could not exist.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 31, 05:35 PM 2020
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 05:33 PM 2020
Many people think that "random" is means the same as "illogical" and "chaotic", and these naive people don't understand that if it were true, then reality in its present form could not exist.

Wut? My hair hurts when I read you
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 31, 05:39 PM 2020
Show proof then you don't need to explain anything, you can say it's beyond our dumb brains but only if it works, so far it doesn't and if you add 25 years of experience it looks like a wasted life
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Oct 31, 05:45 PM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 31, 05:35 PM 2020
Wut? My hair hurts when I read you

Someone forcing you to read me..? -  Weird.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: stranger90 on Oct 31, 05:51 PM 2020
If random is not chaotic then why are you wasting time on a game with house edge? Go to poker and make a bag of cash whenever you snap your fingers
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Oct 31, 06:02 PM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 31, 05:51 PM 2020
If random is not chaotic then why are you wasting time on a game with house edge? Go to poker and make a bag of cash whenever you snap your fingers

Casinos kick you out for card counting.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 06:16 PM 2020
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 05:33 PM 2020Many people think that "random"
Random is unpredictable.
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 05:33 PM 2020"illogical" and "chaotic"
Illogical supposedly means to lack sense. Chaos is complete disorder and confusion.
One can find logic in illogical things. One can find order in chaos.
What can one find in randomness? Delusion and illogical manipulation by the human mind.
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 05:33 PM 2020Many people think that "random" is means the same as "illogical" and "chaotic", and these naive people don't understand that if it were true, then reality in its present form could not exist.
You're right, reality couldn't exist if that statement is true (statement: random is the same as illogical and chaos ~ < false statement). The statement is false, because randomness is different from chaos and illogical ideas.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 31, 05:39 PM 2020Show proof then you don't need to explain anything
Yes. Like how we can use electricity even if we don't understand it.
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 06:02 PM 2020Casinos kick you out for card counting.
Poker isn't against the casinos, it's against other players. There is no cheating nor card counting with poker, just skill and luck. Professional poker players don't get kicked out.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Oct 31, 06:33 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 31, 06:16 PM 2020
Random is unpredictable.

There are no unpredictable things in this reality.

QuoteWhat can one find in randomness?

It depends what you are looking for.

Quoterandomness is different from chaos and illogical ideas

It's true.

QuotePoker isn't against the casinos, it's against other players.

It does not matter.

QuoteThere is no cheating nor card counting with poker, just skill and luck

It depends on what you mean by "card counting."
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:38 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:24 PM 2020I will ask you again:  What consists of small parts of streaks? Individual numbers.  If not, then I want you to tell me what consists of small parts of those streaks.
I did all the teaching already. I'm not going to spoon feed anyone.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Oct 31, 06:48 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:38 PM 2020
I did all the teaching already. I'm not going to spoon feed anyone.

I asked a very simple question, which backed you into a corner and now you want to troll?

RR is a losing system because in order to avoid losing streaks and to produce winning streaks, you need to increase the accuracy of predictions - as those individual numbers make up those streaks.

Your predictions are no better than random, and thus you are unable to win by flat betting and have had over 13 resets on RS, making up lies and excuses for why you lost.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 07:32 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 06:48 PM 2020I asked a very simple question,
You are a waste of time. You have a closed mind and have no interest in my answers.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Oct 31, 08:25 PM 2020
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 06:33 PM 2020There are no unpredictable things in this reality.
Not even the lottery?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Oct 31, 09:19 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Oct 31, 08:25 PM 2020
Not even the lottery?

Lottery is a scam when it comes to number results, so that makes it an even more predictable game - just not for us in this case.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 01, 10:19 AM 2020
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 09:19 PM 2020Lottery is a scam when it comes to number results,
Define scam. It does have terrible odds, but it's not a scam. The lottery is a tax on the stupid.
Quote from: Ares289 on Oct 31, 09:19 PM 2020that makes it an even more predictable game
Lottery workers got caught cheating in the past, but I believe it is mostly, if not entirely fair.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 01, 10:20 AM 2020
Even the predictable can become unpredictable and you cannot predict when.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Nov 01, 01:05 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 01, 10:19 AM 2020
Define scam.

Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Nov 01, 02:24 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 01, 10:20 AM 2020
Even the predictable can become unpredictable and you cannot predict when.

Nothing has to be COMPLETELY predictable to be predictable.
Everything is predictable to a greater or lesser degree - depending on the circumstances.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 02, 08:51 AM 2020
Quote from: Ares289 on Nov 01, 02:24 PM 2020Nothing has to be COMPLETELY predictable to be predictable.
True, but if you look at Gizmotron's posts you don't even have to go as far as being able to predict anything to be able to determine that he's lying. The constant contradictions and lies point to the truth, i.e., you cannot beat roulette by "reading randomness" nor using systems.
Quote from: Ares289 on Nov 01, 02:24 PM 2020Everything is predictable to a greater or lesser degree - depending on the circumstances.
Everything?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 09:17 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 02, 08:51 AM 2020True, but if you look at Gizmotron's posts you don't even have to go as far as being able to predict anything to be able to determine that he's lying. The constant contradictions and lies point to the truth, i.e., you cannot beat roulette by "reading randomness" nor using systems.

Oh, you are so bright. Just watch what is happening. You can validate your predictions. That's 50 games in a row, "Flat Betting" for one other member here, and now I'm just getting going on Reading Randomness with my own version of John Patrick's published "Up & Pull" technique, ( 2, 1, 2, ).  You can begin trashing real data now.



Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 02, 09:29 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 09:17 AM 2020You can begin trashing real data now.
These are very short term results that any random betting can get. Furthermore, RS is not a trustworthy source.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 09:38 AM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 02, 09:29 AM 2020These are very short term results that any random betting can get. Furthermore, RS is not a trustworthy source.
Ah, that explains everything.  You can see every one of my bet selections. Do you not trust the telemetry there?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ares289 on Nov 02, 12:29 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 02, 08:51 AM 2020
True, but if you look at Gizmotron's posts you don't even have to go as far as being able to predict anything to be able to determine that he's lying.

I don't comment on this man because I don't know him and I don't know his way of playing roulette.

Quoteyou cannot beat roulette by "reading randomness" nor using systems.

It depends on what you mean by "beat roulette".

QuoteEverything?

Of course, but that doesn't mean that it's possible for EVERYONE - You need to have the right set of information.

Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 02, 01:14 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 09:38 AM 2020Do you not trust the telemetry there?
Steve said there are too many millionaires there, and they have a motivation to get players to think they have an edge.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Moxy on Nov 02, 01:23 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 09:17 AM 2020
Oh, you are so bright. Just watch what is happening. You can validate your predictions. That's 50 games in a row, "Flat Betting" for one other member here, and now I'm just getting going on Reading Randomness with my own version of John Patrick's published "Up & Pull" technique, ( 2, 1, 2, ).  You can begin trashing real data now.

Child's play.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 02, 02:10 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Nov 02, 01:23 PM 2020Child's play.
How did you get around the parental controls?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 04:13 PM 2020
Quote from: Mean on Nov 02, 01:14 PM 2020Steve said there are too many millionaires there, and they have a motivation to get players to think they have an edge.
You can look at every bet they placed and how they got that high. There is a feature there they call "The Big Game." It allows a player to start out with a very high bankroll on each game. If you get above 150,000 units then you can start each game with 150,000 units. This allows them to make wild bets to recover.

There is also another feature there called a "Rated Game." In that format you can only start each rated game with 3,000 units per game tried. This is much more in line with flat betting. So it becomes important to look at how the millionaires got what they got. Some people just start over and play for a wild good luck start out and then milk it with little wins after that. Some of those players have huge crash and burn spots and then huge recoveries in just one or two games after that. You can see that they are not grinding away at a steady pace. So you must analyze their play to see if they are just milking a high score that they lucked into getting going.

There are a few there that are proving that they can grind away with a few hot numbers on rated games. It can be a fascinating way to watch what others do.  The picture below is the only millionaire there right now. I don't know why precogsmiles is not showing. He was above 2 million yesterday. But this picture shows how this guy reached 1 million on the first game.

I bothered to read his first game. He clearly is using a progression of some kind as he goes higher and higher.

Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Moxy on Nov 02, 04:27 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 02, 04:13 PM 2020
You can look at every bet they placed and how they got that high. There is a feature there they call "The Big Game." It allows a player to start out with a very high bankroll on each game. If you get above 150,000 units then you can start each game with 150,000 units. This allows them to make wild bets to recover.

There is also another feature there called a "Rated Game." In that format you can only start each rated game with 3,000 units per game tried. This is much more in line with flat betting. So it becomes important to look at how the millionaires got what they got. Some people just start over and play for a wild good luck start out and then milk it with little wins after that. Some of those players have huge crash and burn spots and then huge recoveries in just one or two games after that. You can see that they are not grinding away at a steady pace. So you must analyze their play to see if they are just milking a high score that they lucked into getting going.

There are a few there that are proving that they can grind away with a few hot numbers on rated games. It can be a fascinating way to watch what others do.  The picture below is the only millionaire there right now. I don't know why precogsmiles is not showing. He was above 2 million yesterday. But this picture shows how this guy reached 1 million on the first game.

I bothered to read his first game. He clearly is using a progression of some kind as he goes higher and higher.

eh...
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 03, 01:05 AM 2020
Hey
What a long time i haven't been here
You guys are still here?
Go home!
There's no way to beat roulette.
The wheel has no memory.
Trends and patterns are only in you heads.
The wheel don't give a shit about repeaters or non hit.
It's just an illusion...

Asta la vista!!!
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 03, 05:52 AM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Nov 02, 04:27 PM 2020eh
eh is the even high bet. Don't play it, unless you feel like burning some cash.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Steve on Nov 03, 07:57 PM 2020
Andre, you should know there are legitimate ways to beat roulette. It just doesn't include the typical attempts.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 03, 09:44 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Nov 03, 07:57 PM 2020
Andre, you should know there are legitimate ways to beat roulette. It just doesn't include the typical attempts.

Yes, selling roulette computers. 
If you really beat the roulette using your computers, you would already be rich and wouldnt need to sell them.  Oh, are you already rich?  So go enjoy life, your fancy cars, mansion yacht, etc.

There are no excuses for you are still here in this forum trying selling your products/services.

Not personal
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Steve on Nov 04, 02:04 AM 2020
Yeah. If banks already have lots of money, they don't need to continue. Bankers should just retire to an island now. The fact they continue
or even offer any additional service means they don't really make money. And no banker has multiple revenue streams. That's your logic Andre.

Andre, you've really got no idea. About me, my life, what I do, how I make my money, or anything to do with roulette. You should know I'm selling my roulette "sales" component (about $500k/year alone), because I don't need it. I could go on, but it's not your business. Just focus on your own life instead.

People like you attack success of other people because of you're unhappy with your own life. Again, focus on your own life or you'll repeat the same mistake.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Mean on Nov 18, 09:29 PM 2020
Gizmo's still on here making shit up about beating roulette.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 19, 09:54 AM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 12:18 PM 2020
Don't Feed the troll !
Giz, he wouldn't see a bet if it was staring him in the face
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 19, 10:34 AM 2020
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 19, 09:54 AM 2020he wouldn't see a bet if it was staring him in the face
So true. If a dozen went to sleep for 15 spins in a row he would miss out on it.

So let's see if he can get this one. There has been a little discussion on using a sleeping dozen or a streak of singles to play a 50 /50 game while the condition continues. And for the great unwashed you will know when the condition ends on the first spin that it ends on.  The moment has just past so stop wishing it will continue. It's over. The event is done. You lost on a 50 / 50 bet.

But let me show you something even more interesting. When a dozen sleeps you get more repeats of the same dozen in the other two active dozens. You can verify that by observing thousands of spins or even by simple binomial distribution percentages.

So look what happens if you bet on just one of the two active dozens to repeat once more after a win on a single dozen bet.

If I place a bet on the first dozen to win while the third dozen is sleeping then it's a 50 / 50 bet as long as the third dozen stays asleep.

But if I let that first dozen win and let the bet, including the winnings, ride then I win 8 from the repeater.

So 1 becomes 3

and next 3 becomes 9

That all comes from guessing two single dozen bets correctly in a row.

Now let's see if Mean can figure out what I mean?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: carvigno on Nov 19, 12:56 PM 2020
Brilliant. Now you are on the right track for once.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 19, 10:34 AM 2020That all comes from guessing two single dozen bets correctly in a row.

Or two winning bets in a row which has the same outcome but is not the same thing.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 19, 01:32 PM 2020
Quote from: carvigno on Nov 19, 12:56 PM 2020Or two winning bets in a row which has the same outcome but is not the same thing.
How true. You can put two bets together without them needing to be connected back to back.

For anyone struggling with the odds just look at this.

Two in a row at 33% chance:

.33 X .33 = 10%
You have a 10% chance of hitting  two single dozen bets even when you stager them or not.

.50 X .50 = 25%
But when a sleeper or singles are used you have a 25% chance of hitting two in a row or two staggered in a row. That pays 8 to 1 if you win the parlay.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: carvigno on Nov 19, 03:15 PM 2020
In the end all is about observation.
If you are able to catch up with the rythm of random outcome the wheel is producing you'll have an edge.
You need to play an event, a non randomn event for that matter, with statistics in mind.
Unbalance in those statistics will happen more often than not and you are there to watch them and profit from them.
if you know what to bet and you are sharp enough to know when  to bet, taking into account the favorable windows that will show up, you'll succed in this game.
Conventional math wont solve the problem how to beat roulette.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: travis on Nov 19, 03:35 PM 2020
Toda secuencia aleatoria estará contemplada en las probabilidades teóricas pero su aparición solo la verán muy pocos. Los criterios, los sistemas, la lectura promete mas de lo que realmente da, ahí es donde entra el factor estadístico para el manejo de la gestión para que una simple ola no te lleve mar adentro

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Any random sequence will be considered in the theoretical probabilities but its appearance will only be seen by very few. The criteria, the systems, the reading promise more than it really gives, that is where the statistical factor comes in for the management of the management so that a simple wave does not take you out to sea
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: carvigno on Nov 19, 03:50 PM 2020
Just to ilustrate what Gizmotron and me are talking about let me show you what ive seen a moment ago in a european roulette live stream.

7
35
25
0
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34
29
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Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 19, 07:46 PM 2020
So I took your list and formatted it for two of my practice apps.
7,35,25,0,18,21,34,29,22,14,34,28,14,23,18,18,29,24,4,  and I got two kinds of results.

The first picture is EC's and the second one is Dozens.

Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ross on Nov 19, 08:34 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 19, 07:46 PM 2020
The first picture is EC's and the second one is Dozens.

So?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 19, 11:42 PM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Nov 19, 08:34 PM 2020So?
Normally I'd say something crass and just wonder off laughing. Something like stick your head back up your ass and forget about Roulette. I don't think that fits here though.

So oohh...

Look at the second picture and the sleeper in the 1,2,3 first column on the left.  If you notice there is a streak of doubles in the active dozens.  This allows you to take advantage of them for a few spins. But what is much deeper in this logic is something most people don't think about. Whenever there is a sleeper you get about 50 % of one dozen and 50% the other of the active dozens while the sleeper continues.

So you flat bet this  section on one side of the active bets and get a net of say 50% wins and 50% losses for an aggregate win of say 12 net units won. That comes to 4 times 3 if you do the step one math.  So you now have 4 attempts at step two of the progression on the next sleeper. This is at a later time. If you bet those four attempts during a later sleeping dozen then you might win two of them. So your 12 net wins grow to 18.
Now that's simplification. You can win many step one net wins off of many sleeping dozens and then increase your bet as your bankroll grows.

So I I win half the bets at 2 to 1 and lose half the bets at 1 I will grow my bankroll just on the simple odds.

It all comes down to observing basic conditions and watching for things that continue and figuring out how to exploit them if they do continue. Things continue or they end. It's so simple to observe.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: carvigno on Nov 20, 03:52 AM 2020

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 19, 11:42 PM 2020Look at the second picture and the sleeper in the 1,2,3 first column on the left.  If you notice there is a streak of doubles in the active dozens.  This allows you to take advantage of them for a few spins. But what is much deeper in this logic is something most people don't think about. Whenever there is a sleeper you get about 50 % of one dozen and 50% the other of the active dozens while the sleeper continues.

So you flat bet this  section on one side of the active bets and get a net of say 50% wins and 50% losses for an aggregate win of say 12 net units won. That comes to 4 times 3 if you do the step one math.  So you now have 4 attempts at step two of the progression on the next sleeper. This is at a later time. If you bet those four attempts during a later sleeping dozen then you might win two of them. So your 12 net wins grow to 18.
Now that's simplification. You can win many step one net wins off of many sleeping dozens and then increase your bet as your bankroll grows.

So I I win half the bets at 2 to 1 and lose half the bets at 1 I will grow my bankroll just on the simple odds.

It all comes down to observing basic conditions and watching for things that continue and figuring out how to exploit them if they do continue. Things continue or they end. It's so simple to observe.

If a Casino let you write down this quote on a wall inside its facilities or in flyers given for free at the entrance there would be the same amount of losers as ever.

Most gamblers lose not because of 2.7 tax but for their lack of a good attitude while playing.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ross on Nov 20, 04:35 AM 2020
" Things continue or they end. It's so simple to observe."

Trouble is that you can only observe after the event.

Guess I'll have to buy those magic "see into the future" specs I saw
advertised in the magicians magazine.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 20, 10:02 AM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Nov 20, 04:35 AM 2020Trouble is that you can only observe after the event.
Knowing when a trend ends is not magic.  I advise that the first loss is the end unless you are using singles on the weak side. In that case two losses in a row indicates the end of the pattern.  I suggest that you give up on gambling.

I also can also see a pattern already in a condition of continuing.  There is no point in starting to bet on a streak of reds if there is an active streak of blacks going on. But perhaps magic glasses will fit your style of gambling.  You tried to be condescending but you failed. Nobody cares if you are a neo-mathZombie.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 20, 10:13 AM 2020
Quote from: carvigno on Nov 20, 03:52 AM 2020If a Casino let you write down this quote on a wall inside its facilities or in flyers given for free at the entrance there would be the same amount of losers as ever.

Most gamblers lose not because of 2.7 tax but for their lack of a good attitude while playing.
There might actually be more losers. There is an example of this in gambling already. When card counting took off big after the book 'Beat The Dealer' the casinos first panicked right off the bat. But later they discovered that most wannabe card counters sucked at it. So they let people count cards as long as they are not skilled at dealing with common variance. They run out of headroom in their bankrolls for instance.  They panic and get desperate when a losing streak is more powerful than a slight mathematical edge. These kind of amateurisms are wide spread and all across all gambling games.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: Ross on Nov 20, 02:15 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 20, 10:02 AM 2020There is no point in starting to bet on a streak of reds if there is an active streak of blacks going on.

A streak of red and a streak of black at the same time?

How can that be?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 20, 03:01 PM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Nov 20, 02:15 PM 2020A streak of red and a streak of black at the same time?
 
How can that be?
Really?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: stranger90 on Nov 20, 04:59 PM 2020
Gizmo when you gonna just quit the talk and walk the walk? What do you have to show so far? You keep avoiding this question and come with excuses. The wheel put you on your knees and made you blind, gives you a strike from time to time bur you still dreaming that you're a winner.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 20, 05:26 PM 2020
Quote from: stranger90 on Nov 20, 04:59 PM 2020Gizmo when you gonna just quit the talk and walk the walk? What do you have to show so far? You keep avoiding this question and come with excuses. The wheel put you on your knees and made you blind, gives you a strike from time to time bur you still dreaming that you're a winner.
It really doesn't matter what I do. What really matters is did I share something with others that actually works. If I did share something that other people have working for them then what does that make you? You are a detective that could not find his dick. I get a certain happiness from watching all these saviors that have a meaningful purpose for protecting the rest of us gamblers. You could accuse me of the same for sharing Reading Randomness. But I have a good reason. Do you have a good reason to stop people from discovering for themselves?
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: stranger90 on Nov 20, 05:34 PM 2020
What works? Can you or someone that you thaught show that it works? You are more and more delusional day by day and keep showing trends after they happened. Actually yeah I have an interest, to see something constructive on the forum, a scratch that others can develop and make something of it. So far you are pulling everything down with your fallacyes.
The only thing that I have found so far to work better than random is precognition, thanks to this forum. When I will share my results after a decent ammount of spins it will look like magic to you. I wish more folks get into it instead of falling prey to your fantasy. You are trying to fight on math's playground but also don't understand it, you are a danger for yourself brother.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: winforus on Nov 20, 06:28 PM 2020
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Nov 20, 05:26 PM 2020
It really doesn't matter what I do. What really matters is did I share something with others that actually works.

You proved that it doesn't work by having a losing record on RS. How can it work, if you when you play with it, you lose?

And where are the people posting that they tried it and it turned them into winning players? Nowhere to be found.
Title: Re: Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play
Post by: gizmotron2 on Nov 20, 06:57 PM 2020
Quote from: winforus on Nov 20, 06:28 PM 2020
You proved that it doesn't work by having a losing record on RS. How can it work, if you when you play with it, you lose?

And where are the people posting that they tried it and it turned them into winning players? Nowhere to be found.

Perfect. Thanks for cooperating.