I'm not big on "thought experiments" as much as those before me but wondering what ideas you may have on WHEN we can start spins and how results may differ in a set of roulette numbers and a set of derived numbers. Would this make a difference, change the results, create more opportunities?
Thoughts?
Hi Blueprint,
Not sure what you mean, i understand the set of roulette numbers but not the set of derived numbers.
Can give any example. Maybe you talk about derived events from that set of numbers, not sure.
hi blueprint....how do you want to interpret the actual derived numbers for this thought process?....the second set is positions which those numbers are moving in at each given spin..
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 21, 01:57 PM 2021
I'm not big on "thought experiments" as much as those before me but wondering what ideas you may have on WHEN we can start spins and how results may differ in a set of roulette numbers and a set of derived numbers. Would this make a difference, change the results, create more opportunities?
Thoughts?
Derived numbers have same stat like regular numbers. We need combine them somehow.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Sep 21, 03:39 PM 2021
hi blueprint....how do you want to interpret the actual derived numbers for this thought process?....the second set is positions which those numbers are moving in at each given spin..
Can we create a game where we start them at different points and get different derived for the same set?
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 21, 06:54 PM 2021
Can we create a game where we start them at different points and get different derived for the same set?
Yes and no
Yes it can be done but using different numbers (same original numbers but different representation)
No I can’t be done with the same Even if you start 3 spins later. Eventually it will synchronize
Example of a a different representation
Game 1 Original/ derived
Game 2 distance / derived distance
There’s more ways to add more games using the same set. But the issue is still the same. Look at the blog I started. I had 3 games at the same time but the progression takes to long if you use less games. More games and progression is shorter but more numbers
The best way I’ve found to control and put an end to things is by using a smaller group.
Ec/Lines
Lines/streets
Ec/straight
Lines/ straight
Lines/splits
Streets/straight
Etc
The bigger group is dependent on the smaller group
I prefer to start betting straight away. I just look back a few spins (my feedback loop is about 5 spins) then structure the bet, and play.
If I can't look back enough spins, then I'll play the first round of bets with minimal feedback. Within a few spins the feedback loop will present, then I'll adjust the bet and play on as usual.
A bad start with inadequate data won't make much difference to my losses, and sometimes it will lead to healthy profits. In this case, variance is my friend.
Distance, nice.
What about increasing/decreasing?
I track /bet like this: track distances/gaps on streets and splits, important ones 4,5,6,7,8,9( and 10,11 for splits)
Game 1 : streets ( attack few missing /important distances /gaps)
Game 2 : splits ( attack few missing distances /gaps , but different from the streets distances)
Or
Game 1 : streets ( few important distances )
Game 2 : streets but ( few Movements from last street to next one, total are 12 mov./ bet few)
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 22, 07:15 AM 2021
I track /bet like this: track distances/gaps on streets and splits, important ones 4,5,6,7,8,9( and 10,11 for splits)
Game 1 : streets ( attack few missing /important distances /gaps)
Game 2 : splits ( attack few missing distances /gaps , but different from the streets distances)
Or
Game 1 : streets ( few important distances )
Game 2 : streets but ( few Movements from last street to next one, total are 12 mov./ bet few)
See little example from streets /splits
Thanks, K. Pls see this thread for how to create the derived.
“Outside the box.. a different viewâ€
I’m unable to post links.
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 22, 06:06 AM 2021
Distance, nice.
What about increasing/decreasing?
Yea if you can find a practical way to apply it.
*a repeat messes everything up
But I tried maybe twice and just confused myself so I never went that route
maybe a bigger picture right across the board... table and wheel side...group numbers ..table sectors etc basically everything rather than looking at basic the normal streams
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 22, 11:42 AM 2021
Yea if you can find a practical way to apply it.
*a repeat messes everything up
But I tried maybe twice and just confused myself so I never went that route
Mel what's your take on the pigeonhole principle and Dyksexlics post at which you pointed at in the past:
No matter how many times I repeat the experiment, I always end up with a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper with (at least) one number written down TWICE. ALWAYS the same, 36 numbers written down once, and one number written down twice..Is it possible to organize numbers like that, or what was he trying to convey here?
As you rightly said, repeat messes everything so how to exploit it then?
Is it possible to manipulate roulette outcomes to get a unique sequence without the possibility of anything repeating, like in Dyksexlics example?
Cheers
If Lines came 1,2,3,4,5,6 you would not have a repeat on derived.
The key is to have unique numbers and every attack will end with a cycle.
no repeat of what exactly? there would be a repeat of a few partitions with that example..or am i missing something
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 22, 03:39 PM 2021
If Lines came 1,2,3,4,5,6 you would not have a repeat on derived.
Hm.. but derived numbers can repeat more than once before all options are drawn?
Dyksexlics example would be something like drawing numbers out of a hat without putting them back, right?
Quote from: Drazen on Sep 22, 03:54 PM 2021Hm.. but derived numbers can repeat more than once before all options are drawn?
In the example I shared there is no repeat on derived. Simple example but true.
Or in other words, is it possible to play roulette like drawing cards from a deck and not putting them back?
How do we know that's the correct question? And if it is, what is it to say we can't add more cards to a deck, too? Or even to take from one deck and add to another?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Sep 22, 01:21 PM 2021
maybe a bigger picture right across the board... table and wheel side...group numbers ..table sectors etc basically everything rather than looking at basic the normal streams
The issue I’ve had with the bigger picture that there is so much going on it’s hard to look at it all for me personally.
Quote from: Drazen on Sep 22, 03:37 PM 2021
Mel what's your take on the pigeonhole principle and Dyksexlics post at which you pointed at in the past:
No matter how many times I repeat the experiment, I always end up with a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper with (at least) one number written down TWICE. ALWAYS the same, 36 numbers written down once, and one number written down twice..
Is it possible to organize numbers like that, or what was he trying to convey here?
As you rightly said, repeat messes everything so how to exploit it then?
Is it possible to manipulate roulette outcomes to get a unique sequence without the possibility of anything repeating, like in Dyksexlics example?
Cheers
Dyksexlic was just explaining the repeat principle. He used the example to show that a number must repeat.
I do believe there is a way to make it that you don’t get repeats but the method is to complicated to do without an excel. It will require stitching bets and adding more numbers. But the issue here is what will be your bet? Also you cant play the same way you play 36 numbers because you will have the same outcome using more numbers
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 22, 03:39 PM 2021
If Lines came 1,2,3,4,5,6 you would not have a repeat on derived.
The key is to have unique numbers and every attack will end with a cycle.
I came to the conclusion that many times the word repeat and unique is thrown around but we don’t know what is being said exactly.
Dyksexlic method is not based on a number repeating! This is just the principle used. The whole idea! But he isn’t betting a number repeating. He is betting one a whole event repeating
The odds are a little different when it comes to events!
If you can take two events and play them and know when to bet one or the other or play both where one compliments the other you can beat this game.
Everything and anything is an event… combining groups can be made into events. Combining spins! Combining regular number and derived numbers!
Whatever you want can be made to an event! And each event has repeats and uniques!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 22, 05:04 PM 2021
Dyksexlic was just explaining the repeat principle. He used the example to show that a number must repeat.
It's like there is more to that there...
Repeats are definitely not necessary to use the pigeonhole principle and they don't have to happen. It's like saying we can't use Php on unique sequnce?
But that is the whole essence here, isn't it? The pigeonhole principle can't hold anymore as soon as we have the possibility of a repeat!
Dyksexlic spoke about a two twins….one was winning and one was losing
Let’s say the twins are U=unique(game 1) and R=Repeat(game 2) we combine the games and they are happening at the same time!
UU
RR
UR
RU
Is it possible for you to bet and win???
Here is a real example
UU
UR
UR…. How would you have won here? The same number that gave you U for one method also has to give you R for the other method
It’s not easy to accomplish but it’s possible….. :thumbsup:
Based on the odds you will have more UR or RU then UU or RR.
Uu=40%
RR= 10%
Ru/UR= 50%
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 22, 05:33 PM 2021
The same number that gave you U for one method also has to give you R for the other method
I said it wrong lol…. After you have 3 uniques in one method you can only have so many uniques left that will also give you a repeat in the other method so you can cross out which ones not to play or which ones to play
To get here you have to understand everything else.
Mel I was talking about understanding the basic principle and why it works and what I see as a problem regarding roulette outcomes. I could create a template that wins 100% of the time using the pigeonhole principle way before all options would be drawn. However, as soon as we have a possibility of any repeat, that cant work.
Your examples have the possibility of a repeat, hence I cant understand how to apply the pigeonhole principle there? I am focusing on bare basics here.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 22, 05:33 PM 2021
It’s not easy to accomplish but it’s possible….. :thumbsup:
Also may I ask, what do you mean by this? Which part isn't easy?
If we look at what Pri, Red, Vaddi said about how easy it is, it seems it is very easy and simple. Red said you don't even need a spreadsheet once you know what to look for. He said he can explain the system in just a few sentences, or that betting patter is so obvious that anyone can figure it out straight away. Vaddi said his system is so simple that even 10 years old can play it....
On the other hand, Dyksexlics explanation and example with Marry Poppins for example looks so incredibly hard and complex.... Also dynamic sequnces from Red of anything related to that is very hard without spreadsheets or software... So where the hell is the trick in all that?
Quote from: Drazen on Sep 22, 06:03 PM 2021
Also may I ask, what do you mean by this? Which part isn't easy?
If we look at what Pri, Red, Vaddi said about how easy it is, it seems it is very easy and simple. Red said you don't even need a spreadsheet once you know what to look for. He said he can explain the system in just a few sentences, or that betting patter is so obvious that anyone can figure it out straight away. Vaddi said his system is so simple that even 10 years old can play it....
On the other hand, Dyksexlics explanation and example with Marry Poppins for example looks so incredibly hard and complex.... Also dynamic sequnces from Red of anything related to that is very hard without spreadsheets or software... So where the hell is the trick in all that?
The reason I say it’s not easy is because it takes a different type of thinking to get there. And of course if a method is explained to you then you can do it. But it’s not as simple trying to put it together without knowing what to look for
Redd method in out the box is easy and I can do it with just looking at the numbers. All it is; is betting most recent numbers out.
The current number is always 1 the number after is always 2 etc
Quote from: Drazen on Sep 22, 05:49 PM 2021
Mel I was talking about understanding the basic principle and why it works and what I see as a problem regarding roulette outcomes. I could create a template that wins 100% of the time using the pigeonhole principle way before all options would be drawn. However, as soon as we have a possibility of any repeat, that cant work.
Your examples have the possibility of a repeat, hence I cant understand how to apply the pigeonhole principle there? I am focusing on bare basics here.
Ok let’s create a simple pigeonhole method using out the box method.
I attached an imagine…
Notice how in spin 4 we are betting on the same number because both the original numbers and the derived numbers have it but only one spot can be occupied
There are only 6 possible positions to fill but by using both sets some numbers are being picked 2 times to fit into 1 position
I forgot to label it but column C is the derived set
Column B shows the spins
Column E shows the ordering of the number after each outcome
Yellow highlight is ending and beginning of a cycle
This specific game made 14 units
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 22, 06:39 PM 2021
But it’s not as simple trying to put it together without knowing what to look for
But that way of saying to "look for" is interesting. I get it that you can't spell it out but is there a way to say it with one word? What is that that we are looking for?
Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it? Bc it seems it is very versatile and can be used in so many different ways and that is why everyone who made it, has a different way of playing.
Now for example the way of playing I mentioned wouldn't be looking for anything... It is just a mechanical way of playing and win is guaranteed bc it has to happen, and you have the same options all the time. (But only if the sequence is unique at all times, so that won't work like that.) But again you wouldn't be looking for anything, you are doing it that way.
On the other hand, let's say playing the previous defining dozen to close the next cycle. That's something I would call "looking for" bc first it has to appear for me to say aha, that is what I am looking for so I will look to bet on that again. Or like looking for a distance to repeat.
But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.
I am sorry I did my best to explain the question and am not sure if it still makes any sense :)
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Sep 22, 07:56 PM 2021
But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.
Or it even doesn't have to have many steps. Let's take playing Martingale on red all the time. You don't have to "look for" anything to do that
Hello, again a reply from cht , he can't post here so i do for him.
"Drazen's post is spot on correct. The aim is to apply this fundamental principle in your roulette betting system to gain an edge.
nolikn://nolink.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=28116.msg250930#msg250930
Mel is moving in the wrong direction.
"Parachute" idea to lengthen or shorten the length has nothing to do with PhP.
You perspective of what "stitching" is is wrong. You have to correct your thinking or else you repeat the same mistake every time. This is another of your problems of going down the wrong path repeatedly.
Think in terms of fundamental principle how to apply PhP to solve Drazen's idea.
This is all you have to solve.
Learn how PhP is applied in this link.
nolink://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/11/25/16-fun-applications-of-the-pigeonhole-principle/#:~:text=The%20pigeonhole%20principle%20is%20a%20powerful%20tool%20used%20in%20combinatorial%20math.&text=The%20pigeonhole%20principle%20states%20that,evident%2C%20its%20implications%20are%20astounding.
"
The betting system must show net positive using flatbet to show true positive edge."
Quote from: Drazen on Sep 22, 07:56 PM 2021
But that way of saying to "look for" is interesting. I get it that you can't spell it out but is there a way to say it with one word? What is that that we are looking for?
Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it? Bc it seems it is very versatile and can be used in so many different ways and that is why everyone who made it, has a different way of playing.
Now for example the way of playing I mentioned wouldn't be looking for anything... It is just a mechanical way of playing and win is guaranteed bc it has to happen, and you have the same options all the time. (But only if the sequence is unique at all times, so that won't work like that.) But again you wouldn't be looking for anything, you are doing it that way.
On the other hand, let's say playing the previous defining dozen to close the next cycle. That's something I would call "looking for" bc first it has to appear for me to say aha, that is what I am looking for so I will look to bet on that again. Or like looking for a distance to repeat.
But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.
I am sorry I did my best to explain the question and am not sure if it still makes any sense :)
Cheers
"Hi Drazen, you are the only person on all forums who understand how to apply PhP although your understanding is incomplete.
The problem why you have yet to attain complete understanding is 2 fold,
1. Your instinct created fear in you to step towards the direction where the solution lie ahead.
Why does this happen to you?
Because you have been indoctrinated with the wrong interpretation of PhP by the many misleading posts on forums. You fear contradicting those wrong interpretation therefore you accommodate. This held you back.
Detox yourself from misleading interpretation. Accept interpretation that is in line with the principle. Remove the rest that's wrong and unconnected to the principle.
Important - remember not to detour from your current path. Every other path posted on forum is incorrect.
2. Although your instinctive understanding is correct you still have to expand your understanding how to apply PhP in roulette permutation. Read the link I posted.
Good luck."
FROM CHT
Quote from: Drazen on Sep 22, 07:56 PM 2021
But that way of saying to "look for" is interesting. I get it that you can't spell it out but is there a way to say it with one word? What is that that we are looking for?
Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it? Bc it seems it is very versatile and can be used in so many different ways and that is why everyone who made it, has a different way of playing.
Now for example the way of playing I mentioned wouldn't be looking for anything... It is just a mechanical way of playing and win is guaranteed bc it has to happen, and you have the same options all the time. (But only if the sequence is unique at all times, so that won't work like that.) But again you wouldn't be looking for anything, you are doing it that way.
On the other hand, let's say playing the previous defining dozen to close the next cycle. That's something I would call "looking for" bc first it has to appear for me to say aha, that is what I am looking for so I will look to bet on that again. Or like looking for a distance to repeat.
But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.
I am sorry I did my best to explain the question and am not sure if it still makes any sense :)
Cheers
""Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it?"
HI Drazen,
This constant is denoted by X in the equation I posted on the other thread.
Yes you have to figure it out from the perspective of PhP. PhP help guide you to this next principle."
FROM CHT
I’m loving the exchange here but still wondering about the initial question. Can we start spins at different times with the same set of spins to create different derived numbers?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Sep 22, 05:33 PM 2021
Based on the odds you will have more UR or RU then UU or RR.
For those wondering, if this is:
RR
BB
RB
BR
They are equally likely to happen.
are they ..
correlaid.org/blog/markov-chains/
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 23, 06:49 AM 2021
I’m loving the exchange here but still wondering about the initial question. Can we start spins at different times with the same set of spins to create different derived numbers?
To follow up on this, if you are able to answer this question, what would you do with this information? Would that offer any additional opportunities? I'm not entirely sure but intend on finding out.
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 25, 12:11 PM 2021
To follow up on this, if you are able to answer this question, what would you do with this information? Would that offer any additional opportunities? I'm not entirely sure but intend on finding out.
Game 1
Spin 1
Spin 2
Spin 3
Spin 4
Spin 5
Spin 6
Game 2
Spin 1
Spin 3
Spin 5
Game 3
Spin 2
Spin 4
Spin 6
You can use the same set of numbers and each will give you different derived numbers
Thanks.
What about another way of viewing things.
Is “apple†“banana†“cherry†the same set as “cherry†“apple†“banana�
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 26, 09:00 AM 2021
Thanks.
What about another way of viewing things.
Is “apple†“banana†“cherry†the same set as “cherry†“apple†“banana�
Depends what you mean by same set… but yes they are the same sequence
Fruit 1 , Fruit 2, Fruit 3
Each fruit is unique so you can even do banana, cherry, apple and it’s the same nothing changes :thumbsup:
Hi, guys :D
Hi there!
Place is quiet.
Any other ideas here or shall we move on to next topic
Quiet? There's more life in the local cemetery.
Has the search for the HG of roulette ended?
Quote from: Ross on Oct 07, 05:36 PM 2021
Quiet? There's more life in the local cemetery.
Has the search for the HG of roulette ended?
Yes finally!
The search for the HG ended and forever buried !
Popele have now more time to spent with families
Ok, great.
For those who are serious about this do reach out... I'm in the process of sharing everything I have with those interested (time permitted).
Unlike Pri who stated, "I don't care if what you know makes a difference or not" I do intend to be helpful and share what I have.
always interested .....just not had much time this week.....as for when to start betting the actual derived has a very stable even ratio of lower half and higher half of hitting when you disregard the repeat...so ratio betting on that is a possible option....
debating myself if i should put up here the actual streams tracker...the ayk one and excel more in depth one showing what and where a partition actually is in real time so members can see what to look at and know where you are coming from..and join in your thread properly with a more informed perspective
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 08, 09:50 AM 2021
Ok, great.
For those who are serious about this do reach out... I'm in the process of sharing everything I have with those interested (time permitted).
Unlike Pri who stated, "I don't care if what you know makes a difference or not" I do intend to be helpful and share what I have.
We need try again even that will spread out but we will prove that bet exist.
First we know that without 2+ streams we cannot win
Because those streams we can create PHP and Birthday paradox
Dependency also coming when we will use streams.
Plus stats...
we will continue
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 21, 01:57 PM 2021
I'm not big on "thought experiments" as much as those before me but wondering what ideas you may have on WHEN we can start spins and how results may differ in a set of roulette numbers and a set of derived numbers. Would this make a difference, change the results, create more opportunities?
Thoughts?
Another message from CHT:
Hi guys, this is the real RRBB tootb betting strategy in action. No one knows this, not even priyanka or Dyslexic. only possibly RRBB himself.So, work together to try solve RRBB's mystery which is the only true edge played flatbet in roulette game.nolinkss://i.imgur.com/xfkot2j.png
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 08, 09:50 AM 2021
For those who are serious about this do reach out... I'm in the process of sharing everything I have with those interested (time permitted).
I'm pretty happy with my game but am always willing to learn more, so consider me as "reaching out". I'm not very familiar with the terminology being used here though. PHP is Pigeonhole principle right? Is that what your system is based on?
Quote from: nichedelico on Oct 09, 01:55 AM 2021
Another message from CHT:
Hi guys, this is the real RRBB tootb betting strategy in action. No one knows this, not even priyanka or Dyslexic. only possibly RRBB himself.
So, work together to try solve RRBB's mystery which is the only true edge played flatbet in roulette game.
nolinkss://i.imgur.com/xfkot2j.png
This is incorrect as I have personally shared the basis for rrbb’s games with Priyanka.
Quote from: nichedelico on Oct 09, 01:55 AM 2021
Another message from CHT:
nolinkss://i.imgur.com/xfkot2j.png
Looks like 7SU strategy to me .. the hits are almost too frequent, I wish you could have shown at least 200-1000 spin picturesque.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 08, 10:45 AM 2021
always interested .....just not had much time this week.....as for when to start betting the actual derived has a very stable even ratio of lower half and higher half of hitting when you disregard the repeat...so ratio betting on that is a possible option....
debating myself if i should put up here the actual streams tracker...the ayk one and excel more in depth one showing what and where a partition actually is in real time so members can see what to look at and know where you are coming from..and join in your thread properly with a more informed perspective
Can you upload tracker would be helpfull
and excel more in depth one showing what and where a partition actually is in real time √
saihtaM, you messaged me, then blocked my PMs. What's that about?
btw, some people think you are rrbb... feel free to clear the air and message me again (pm is fine).
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 10, 05:40 AM 2021saihtaM, you messaged me, then blocked my PMs. What's that about?
My apologies. When I left a few months ago, I changed (restricted) my PM settings and forgot to change it back. It should work now.
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 10, 05:40 AM 2021btw, some people think you are rrbb... feel free to clear the air and message me again (pm is fine).
I'm not rrbb. I never wrote here under any other name.
Quote from: saihtaM on Oct 10, 05:59 AM 2021I'm not rrbb. I never wrote here under any other name.
Good ;)
LOL LOOL
here is ..lets say ...the version ayk streams tracker but with built in position on derived streams for splits ..
streets...ds ..the 4 quads..and dozens...which show underneath the tracker...
users of the normal ayk tracker will notice its pretty much the same features...but slightly laid out differently ..as in top bar is below table input...there is also no step button..though you can import and export your spins...
the white column next to the coloured main numbers shows when either side closes a cycle...
left hand side of each is main stream results...right hand side is the derived positional results...
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER...POSITIONAL RESULTS IS POSITIONS..AND POSITIONS ONLY ..
the results from main stream dictate what is in those positions and what from last spin actually moves into that position...make sure you read that properly and understand
extract rar file and open folder then click on index...
Wonderful tracker. Thanks for the share, 6th!
If we not playing for repeat and not playing for unique then for what we playing?
will have to see what blueprints ideas are now buddy...the tracker is there for all to see and use
Rrbb mentioned in the second stream(dynamic stream) a repeat would happen 99.7% on the low side.
His quote
How? For example: when we have a repeat in the first set on the straights, in the second set, this will occur in 99.7% of the cases on "low". Or, even stricter: a repeat on straights in one system will will occur in the second system for 99.99994% on the first two dozens.
So are we talking about betting on positions on the low end of the dynamic stream?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 11, 03:49 AM 2021
will have to see what blueprints ideas are now buddy...the tracker is there for all to see and use
There is no shortage of ideas.
Quote taken from Nichedelico's post from a couple of pages back ( quoting CHT )
" ""Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it?"
HI Drazen,
This constant is denoted by X in the equation I posted on the other thread.
Yes you have to figure it out from the perspective of PhP. PhP help guide you to this next principle."
FROM CHT "
Where is the equation posted on the other thread ? Can anyone point me in the right direction ?
Cheers.
So just take the 6 lines as an example. You start with 123456. That’s the first stream.
8 comes out. That’s line 2
The new stream 213456
Then 24
New stream is
421356
And so on….it is said that repeats come from the most recent numbers or low end of the partition of the stream.
So you just bet the first 3 numbers of the new stream? I don’t know. Just thinking aloud. Could be worthless.
Quote from: klw on Oct 12, 11:13 AM 2021
Where is the equation posted on the other thread ? Can anyone point me in the right direction ?
Cheers.
The pigeonhole principle translated into math when applied to roulette outcomes is:
nlog2(1/37)+.....+nlog2(1/(37-(r+1))+.....nlog2(1/(x-r+1))+.....nlog2(1/2)
Hope that helps
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Oct 12, 11:51 AM 2021
The pigeonhole principle translated into math when applied to roulette outcomes is:
nlog2(1/37)+.....+nlog2(1/(37-(r+1))+.....nlog2(1/(x-r+1))+.....nlog2(1/2)
Hope that helps
Cheers
Hi Drazen , thanks for that. Tbh , that type of equation does not come easily to me , I think I was hoping for the other thread that was mentioned.
This statement made by you seems to be key.
" Or in other words, is it possible to play roulette like drawing cards from a deck and not putting them back? "
You have to narrow down the options by eliminating other choices , this is what I understand by pigeon hole principle from reading the link given.
Look at this example :-
" If you pick five numbers from the integers 1 to 8, then two of them must add up to nine.
Let's say 1 of our multiple streams comes out 1,2,3,4. then no matter which one of the 5,6,7,8 comes out first then we have a pigeon hole created/filled according to our rule above. Now how do we know what to bet and when? I don't have the answer yet. The answer might be to combine this pigeon hole with something else like a cycle , another stream creating another pigeon hole that we can cross reference etc., or something else ?
Just throwing this out there.
Cheers.
Quote from: Drazen on Oct 12, 11:51 AM 2021
The pigeonhole principle translated into math when applied to roulette outcomes is:
nlog2(1/37)+.....+nlog2(1/(37-(r+1))+.....nlog2(1/(x-r+1))+.....nlog2(1/2)
Drazen, thanks but to be an equation there should be an = sign with something on either side of it, so it's not complete. It's just a series of terms. Can you show how it is derived?
Quote from: algojack on Oct 13, 03:32 AM 2021
Drazen, thanks but to be an equation there should be an = sign with something on either side of it, so it's not complete. It's just a series of terms. Can you show how it is derived?
Hi
I am not the one who came up with it and I don't understand how to apply it to roulette. Sorry about that.
As much clueless but ..
roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,3465.msg66069.html#msg66069Quoteby CHT
I posted this video on the other forum. It's about information entropy. The key is to understand the state of entropy given the information at hand.
youtu.be/9r7FIXEAGvs
In roulette this 2 formulas are relevant,
1/37 * 35/37 *...(n=35) * 1/37
= ln2(1/37) + ln2(35/37) +...ln2(n=35) + ln2(1/37)
And 18/37 *...(n=18) * 18/37 *...(n=18) * 1/37
= ln2(18/37) +...ln2(n=18) + ln2(18/37) +...ln2(n=18) + ln2(1/37)
Watch the video to understand the meaning of both these equations.
I always thought that The equation must contain The "equal" sign. =
There are errors in the tracker - I calculated the position incorrectly.
Those black in white shows you the length of the cycle, till the first repeat.
Quote from: Person S on Oct 15, 02:54 PM 2021
There are errors in the tracker - I calculated the position incorrectly.
I haven’t looked at that tracker in a while but I believe it reads from the bottom up so the length is correct here.
YES, this is the length of the cycles, I was wrong. Thanks.
the tracker is 100% accurate....
its been a while since i put it up now....i,m surprised no one has come up with a game plan or any idea how it could be possibly used...
with this thread being soooo quite i might carry it on on my old thread back to basics and throw a few ideas around on there...
thats if anyone wants to participate....
You can post your ideas here.
could do..but with not much input from blueprint i,d like to keep most my stuff in my own thread so i can have it in one place..
the ideas are mostly linked towards back to basics ..so if i,m going to continue it,ll be there...
if you have ideas please post here or anyone else for that matter
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 18, 12:14 PM 2021
could do..but with not much input from blueprint i,d like to keep most my stuff in my own thread so i can have it in one place..
the ideas are mostly linked towards back to basics ..so if i,m going to continue it,ll be there...
if you have ideas please post here or anyone else for that matter
The intent of the thread was for everyone to share ideas, which has barely happened... I'm not the only one with a brain (some may argue half a brain, but still). I'm in the process of compiling everything I have from Priyanka and RRBB/Reddwarf. In the meantime, would love to hear other contributions.
Great stuff blueprint,,,look forward to seeing that ,,I'll hang off my thread and stay on here if your going to put that compiled stuff here ,,,
i did 450 live spins yesterday....william hill live casino...now going through the numbers
still have a lot to go through yet but using the rrbb tracker and bearing in mind pryankas funny sequences thread and flatbetting i,ll see how it ends up...pretty time consuming until i get the hang of it...but slowly speeding up as i do the process by hand...yes by hand....betting every spin...i,ll probably do it in stages and upload the number text file when done...if it finishes in plus...
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 19, 03:23 PM 2021
i did 450 live spins yesterday....william hill live casino...now going through the numbers
still have a lot to go through yet but using the rrbb tracker and bearing in mind pryankas funny sequences thread and flatbetting i,ll see how it ends up...pretty time consuming until i get the hang of it...but slowly speeding up as i do the process by hand...yes by hand....betting every spin...i,ll probably do it in stages and upload the number text file when done...if it finishes in plus...
Why by hand and not coded and let it run over thousands of spins?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 18, 11:50 AM 2021with this thread being soooo quite i might carry it on on my old thread back to basics and throw a few ideas around on there...
thats if anyone wants to participate....
+1
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 18, 04:26 PM 2021I'm in the process of compiling everything I have from Priyanka and RRBB/Reddwarf. In the meantime, would love to hear other contributions.
+1
I can't code whatsoever,,,although I'm hoping to have it done,,
By hand is a good way especially if you are at bm casino so it's possible it can be done manually
Its not complicated but does take concentration
Lets see how it looks after the total amount of spins are finished
Another view, according to Pri:
Imagine there are two streams. One stream has 0 numbers and one stream has all 37 numbers. As spins happen you keep moving numbers from one stream to other. One stream is increasing and other is decreasing. They are both dependent on each other because only when a number is removed from one it can be added to other.
One could also add up the numbers until a certain sum is reached/exceeded, and then start over. Creates another form of cycles and dependencies.
Example:
3...3
7...10
11...21
32...53
23...76
1...77
13...90
35...125 (we exceeded 100, which is just an example, and start over)
12...47
Etc.
(I'm not claiming this is the basis for a winning method.)
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 21, 10:06 AM 2021
Another view, according to Pri:
Imagine there are two streams. One stream has 0 numbers and one stream has all 37 numbers. As spins happen you keep moving numbers from one stream to other. One stream is increasing and other is decreasing. They are both dependent on each other because only when a number is removed from one it can be added to other.
OK Blueprint, this actually makes sense;
since its sets the fundamentals of a balanced betting strategy, betting unhits on one side & the hits+repests on the other - providing both streams are bet simultaneously.
However, two things:
•
the only stream that would effectively keep changing its sequence order is the hit+repeats meanwhile, the unhit would effectively stay the same the change being its size only
•the above is already all achieved simply by looking at the rrbb's derived stream, precisely at the first portion of it & the unchanged, less in size, the second portion of it
So my question is, besides (inadvertendly? )pointing this out - are you implying at anything else ?
Quote from: saihtaM on Oct 21, 12:50 PM 2021One could also add up the numbers until a certain sum is reached/exceeded, and then start over. Creates another form of cycles and dependencies.
saihtaM, this vaguely correlates to the PhP Pair-Completion, precisely the sum-up of pairs values to a unified sum value for each & all pairs, perhaps implying to limit the cycle to only so-many spins before starting the cycle anew, irregardless if in positive or not; the advantage being keeping the drawdowns recoverable.
Is this it, or is there something else you had on mind or envision this differently?
Quote from: TRD on Oct 21, 01:57 PM 2021OK Blueprint, this actually makes sense;
Glad to hear that!
Quote from: Person S on Oct 15, 02:54 PM 2021
There are errors in the tracker - I calculated the position incorrectly.
You shoud try To install English version for screenshots.
I also had problems with tracker when i make screenshots on russian version of Android.
Quote from: Blueprint on Oct 21, 10:06 AM 2021
Another view, according to Pri:
Imagine there are two streams. One stream has 0 numbers and one stream has all 37 numbers. As spins happen you keep moving numbers from one stream to other. One stream is increasing and other is decreasing. They are both dependent on each other because only when a number is removed from one it can be added to other.
Neve Read this one. But i did tried similar things and this one also.
As rrbb Said " its a breathing thing. .. like the tides " ....or something like that.
If you code it you Will See a straight Line somewhere in The middle 18/19.
You can try to do cycles on those twins But it Will bring you nowhere. But it is still fun
Blueprint, sharing The info that you have is unproductive. After each your share The goodfellows Will test their idea And if it Will work They Will keep It for themselfs.
Try this instead:
"Look At The carpet. You have TWO halves....."
And than add this:
"....Till lenght eight it holds."
And this :
-1,-1,-1,-1,+35
Message me if You find something valuable, as i dont have time for this sh't anymore.
Quote from: praline on Oct 23, 02:15 PM 2021
Blueprint, sharing The info that you have is unproductive. After each your share The goodfellows Will test their idea And if it Will work They Will keep It for themselfs.
Try this instead:
"Look At The carpet. You have TWO halves....."
And than add this:
"....Till lenght eight it holds."
I could
Quote from: praline on Oct 23, 02:18 PM 2021
And this :
-1,-1,-1,-1,+35
Message me if You find something valuable, as i dont have time for this sh't anymore.
Yea, I don’t have time for it either but I’m compelled to share for various reasons.
You can thank Pri and RRBB for abandoning ship. Doubt they have time for it either though.
They have plenty of time lol
I dont know man if Im pointing you in The right direction, But It is different from what we have tried with You And others from this forum.
To be more explicit:
You have 2 halves high And Low.
When cycle started on Low You have more than 50% that the repeat is on that half And Less then 50 that uniques Will be from that half, so Just base on this You dont need To think about what half To Bet for repeat or forse uniques.
Quote from: praline on Oct 23, 05:54 PM 2021
They have plenty of time lol
I think you’d be surprised
Quote from: praline on Oct 23, 02:05 PM 2021
Neve Read this one. But i did tried similar things and this one also.
As rrbb Said " its a breathing thing. .. like the tides " ....or something like that.
If you code it you Will See a straight Line somewhere in The middle 18/19.
You can try to do cycles on those twins But it Will bring you nowhere. But it is still fun
I think i posted this way back with some graphs. The cycles go on wave. But it doesnt work in the long run. You need something extra. The missing key. Something to bet less numbers
Yes, perhaps we need to find a way to not bet on L’s.
Guys,
If You are whilling To disclose years of OUR hard work, nobody Can denie You to do that. But If You are going to put parts of puzzle here hopin that somebody Will help You, i Will post everything, And Not only parts of rrbbs And Pri letters.
So all of You Can decide Now. Or You start to putting in The hard work And think, or The roulette rules Will be changed over Night.
Have a Nice evening!
And trust me!
Three are a Lot of Smart people that Can find The solution in Less than 24h whith all The info that some of You have for years. :girl_to:
Quote from: praline on Oct 24, 11:06 AM 2021So all of You Can decide Now. Or You start to putting in The hard work And think, or The roulette rules Will be changed over Night
Testings And discoveries included btw.
Quote from: praline on Oct 23, 05:54 PM 2021
They have plenty of time lol
I dont know man if Im pointing you in The right direction, But It is different from what we have tried with You And others from this forum.
To be more explicit:
You have 2 halves high And Low.
When cycle started on Low You have more than 50% that the repeat is on that half And Less then 50 that uniques Will be from that half, so Just base on this You dont need To think about what half To Bet for repeat or forse uniques.
This idea goes waaaayyyy back to dyslexic himself...it was me actually debating with him and gave this example which is when he promptly deleted his thread...i was a newbie then known as commonsense 1968 ..here is the only known screenshot of my reply ...and of the thread
6th, what about running 3x games on each dz with separate expositions, playing them in turn only once a dz shows for its repeat - covering'em shown numbers with various positions besides SUs, whatever to resolve; the dz guard can relax to EC as well upon discretion, since it recovers double
still better, last two dzs overcoming long-term chop
& pausing the after after 2-3 same dz repeats
6th thanks for your comments
No, my comments won't work.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 24, 02:07 PM 2021
This idea goes waaaayyyy back to dyslexic himself...it was me actually debating with him and gave this example which is when he promptly deleted his thread...i was a newbie then known as commonsense 1968 ..here is the only known screenshot of my reply ...and of the thread
I didn’t know it was you who posted that :)
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 25, 08:16 PM 2021
Ok so just to give an update… every method or approach has something missing.
And we (I speak of every member looking for a way to win using non random events) haven’t quite figured out WHAT!
So it’s not that the overall method that fails. Our approach towards the method has been wrong.
What I mean is….
The overall method involves cycles, combining spins, differential betting, pigeonhole principal. This is still correct!
Now the way we are trying to get to the end is wrong.
Posting this here cause I’ve commented recently
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 25, 07:59 PM 2021
I didn’t know it was you who posted that :)
I thought I had told you ,,,dyslexic at the time was just another poster and he got a lot of stick ...I tried to get involved how he did it and after that example he deleted thread,,,
In hindsight maybe I should of just have pmd him...
I would love a one on one chat with him ...
I'd say he is still around reading the forums so who knows,,maybe one day
Members need to realise that those days everyone was giving ideas out left right and centre,,,and it was sometimes good sometimes bad
The heydays of this forum are truly past
I agree with you Gordon , I think Dyslexic is definitely the key with his pigeon hole principle. Take a look at one of his old posts , it even gives a template of how to apply PH to roulette. Unfortunately I don't have the time to investigate this further. Surely some maths guru out there can go some way to resolving it. I would say to forum members , have a read of his old posts , some interesting bits to chew over. He was also a member on VLS but looking through the members list on there he doesn't appear as Dyslexic. Looks like he was deleted ? Very strange.
"
General Discussion / Re: The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 26, 03:38 PM 2010 »
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 01:41 PM 2010
Well, that's all well and good if you have pigeons but do you apply this concept to roulette?
The 'pigeons' are merely a mathematical metaphor.
Consider the principle a 'conceptual visualisation tool'.
A 100% Mathematically guaranteed roulette bet is possible with the correct application.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 01:41 PM 2010
Please give us some specific examples of how to use it with roulette. It would be most helpful, since I feel confident that many of us reading your post, have no idea what on earth you are referring to. It sounds interesting though.
Scooby Doo
This thread is ONLY concerned with the Pigeonhole Principle itself.
For 'winning bet selections', kindly refer to Norman Bates... [Sarcastic smile :twisted:]!
However, consider the following example..
QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b).
ANSWER -
Let the 'pigeons' be the 10 spins selected.
Define nine 'pigeonholes' corresponding to the odd spins 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17.
Place each spin selected into the pigeonhole coresponding to its largest odd divisor (which must be one of 1, 3, 5, . . . , 17).
Notice that if x gets placed in the pigeonhole corresponding to the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0.
Since 10 spins are selected and placed in nine pigeonholes, some pigeonhole contains two spins a and b, where a < b.
Suppose this pigeonhole corresponds to the odd spin t. Then, a = 2rt and b = 2st, where are < s, so that a2s−r = b.
Since s−r is a positive spin, it follows that a|b.
Welcome to the Magical Land of Mathematics..!
8)
KLW can y make an example with your last post with 10 and 9...!!!
Hi Alexlaf -- No I can't at the moment and not sure I ever will be able to lol with my basic maths knowledge.
I can't get past the first equation :-
" QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b). "
I understand the " largest odd divisor " e.g if #14 was the first number to be pigeon holed then it would go into PH 7
If # 13 was the next number , I'm not sure if this would go into PH 5 or 13 ? #18 next , that would go into PH 9 , #3 would go into PH 3 and so on.
Not sure about the rest of the post, looks above my understanding.
Hope this is of some help to somebody and they can take it further.
Cheers.
Quote from: klw on Oct 26, 10:21 AM 2021
Hi Alexlaf -- No I can't at the moment and not sure I ever will be able to lol with my basic maths knowledge.
I can't get past the first equation :-
" QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b). "
I understand the " largest odd divisor " e.g if #14 was the first number to be pigeon holed then it would go into PH 7
If # 13 was the next number , I'm not sure if this would go into PH 5 or 13 ? #18 next , that would go into PH 9 , #3 would go into PH 3 and so on.
Not sure about the rest of the post, looks above my understanding.
Hope this is of some help to somebody and they can take it further.
Cheers.
This goes back to where I believe drazen asked a question talking about how to find a way so we can bet and only get unique numbers!
You cannot play dyksexlic example you posted because the game of roulette has repeats
So you need to figure out how to make it that each spin is giving unique numbers long enough to win for this method to work
So far I know two ways to accomplish this, not saying they work or that it’s correct. Just saying to accomplish it so that I barely get repeats. The information was shared by pri on this forum and it’s in one of those videos where the excel was showing next to the roulette table
Hi Moneyt101 -- So you are saying that Pri has full knowledge of Dyslexic's work based on the post he made which I have copied above ?
If so then I would have to read through all of Pri's older posts ( and his other Id's ) to develop this further ?
Cheers.
Quote from: klw on Oct 26, 11:07 AM 2021
Hi Moneyt101 -- So you are saying that Pri has full knowledge of Dyslexic's work based on the post he made which I have copied above ?
If so then I would have to read through all of Pri's older posts ( and his other Id's ) to develop this further ?
Cheers.
I don’t know if pri has the full knowledge for a fact but I believe so. Pri style is different so was rrbb and dyksexlic.
The way I see dyksexlic started and shared the idea. I never really saw anything very detailed from him because the threads were deleted. So I’m not sure what other info he shared. Everything was pretty cryptic. I know he helped a few ppl but that info isn’t anywhere.
But Pri to me shared more detail to how things work. Pri shared the possibilities with data and examples and showed more clearly the route to understanding concepts. Pri also was a mathematician!
klw, What are your thoughts?
Hi MoneyT101.
It's a bit confusing tbh. From years of reading forums and usually being able to know a genuine winner or not I firmly believe Dyslexic was a winner from the few posts he wrote. What he says makes sense to me and has logic it's just I am not that advanced in Maths or clever enough atm to work out the post I copied above.
I am not familiar with Pri's work. Is it based on the PH principle of Dyslexic ? If so then when I have time I'll try to catch up with that. If you have detailed notes on his work are you prepared to publish them here ? Many brains are better than 1.
Or are we going down 2 separate roads here ?
Cheers.
Dyslexic was the forerunner ,,Rrbb and red dwarf were next in line I presume,,
Dyslexic deleted tons of stuff across the platforms,,that's why it's hard to get his methods of thinking
I believe he even had to prove it was him when he came back for a while to maybe upsurp an imposter using his name
I think what's interesting to me is dyslexic was for number groups,,older members will remember this,,
And Rrbb could possibly be d's cycles groups,,,
There are only 4 number groups
Red odd
Red even
Black odd
Black even
Ds has a cycle count of 6
Number groups within the d's has a cycle count of 4
Which apart from ec and the 4 quads which is on par with the group numbers bets happens most in the ds,,,
Or would it be a dozen with the lesser cycle ,,,
The mind boggles taking it all in
Could it all be a combo of all
But to be fair a 5 year old kid could be taught it in 10 mins so it doesn't need to complicated or overthought
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 26, 03:02 PM 2021
I think what's interesting to me is dyslexic was for number groups,,older members will remember this,,
I’m not saying you are wrong because I came to this conclusion before…
But what made you think this? Did he speak about groups?
Quote from: klw on Oct 26, 01:49 PM 2021
I am not familiar with Pri's work. Is it based on the PH principle of Dyslexic ? If so then when I have time I'll try to catch up with that. If you have detailed notes on his work are you prepared to publish them here ? Many brains are better than 1.
Or are we going down 2 separate roads here ?
Cheers.
rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.0
That’s the link for the thread Random Thoughts which is where Pri started sharing information
I don’t have any notes on it, I just come back to the forum and read but some of the stuff you will see in this thread that’s good to know
-Understand the difference between non-random vs Random
- what and how to create cycles?!
- what are stitched bets?
-what are constant bets?
- is there such a thing as dependent bets?
â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"-
Now my question to you….
If I get my spins from RNG roulette or if I go to BM casino or if I just put 37 numbers in a hat and pick a number/put it back.
After 37 spins of each game… would one game be more random then the other?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 26, 04:01 PM 2021
I’m not saying you are wrong because I came to this conclusion before…
But what made you think this? Did he speak about groups?
Yes this was his main point,,,I'm pretty sure older members can confirm this
It was using a layoff bet ...
I only gave that example up to 18 Numbers and one ec layoff bet he was using the group numbers in his thread
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 27, 01:36 AM 2021
Yes this was his main point,,,I'm pretty sure older members can confirm this
It was using a layoff bet ...
I only gave that example up to 18 Numbers and one ec layoff bet he was using the group numbers in his thread
Wow so he actually gave examples with numbers
Does anyone still have this information? :o
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 02:08 AM 2021
Wow so he actually gave examples with numbers
Does anyone still have this information? :o
Yes I’d like to see it too if anyone has it?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 02:08 AM 2021
Wow so he actually gave examples with numbers
Does anyone still have this information? :o
he deleted everything...maybe some older members can confirm ...but yes..he was giving basic examples....but with number groups
not how it was actually done....
thats why i gave the example in the picture how it could be done on one half on table and with single numbers..
then the thread got deleted
group numbers were lightly touched upon here
Thanks for that Gordon -- If a repeat ends a cycle is he betting to avoid the repeat ? I wonder if anyone did pay the £10,000 !
@MoneyT101
I am more interested in the PH principle as provided by Dyslexic , as I stated we are going down 2 different roads. I have started re-reading Pri's thread. Interesting. I did some research on VDW theory a while ago. It has legs but I have other things on the boil atm.
Cheers.
Quote from: klw on Oct 27, 05:23 AM 2021
I wonder if anyone did pay the £10,000 !
He claimed to made 800K £ but sold for 10K...lol
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 27, 06:25 AM 2021
He claimed to made 800K £ but sold for 10K...lol
And that is one of the reasons he got slated
And one of the reasons people thought he was talking rubbish
I mean its logical if you advertise a HG without any proof...
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 27, 08:28 AM 2021
And that is one of the reasons he got slated
And one of the reasons people thought he was talking rubbish
I believe him! People need to learn to ignore the noise and and try things for themselves. You can prove if it’s all bs by looking at facts.
Let’s forget that we are trying to win a game. Let’s forget that we are playing roulette! -can we look at math data analysis to interpret results and make decisions based on information we see?
-Is the pigeonhole theory a real mathematics concept?
Let me rephrase it….
-can the pigeonhole be used as proof in mathematics?
-if I have numbers 1-37 in a hat. I take one number out; put it back. I do this 38 times. Will one of my numbers repeat?
NOW LOOKING AT WHAT THE ACTUAL MATH SAYS….
- If I run the above hat experiment 1,000,000 times. Is it more likely I get a repeat before pulling all 37 numbers?
-do I have a higher then 50% chance of getting a repeat before I reach 18 numbers pulled?
Now if you answered
No to any of these questions I would like to know your reasoning.
If you answered
Yes to all these questions. Focus on what dyksexlic was saying and forget all the drama behind his claims.
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 27, 10:55 AM 2021
I mean its logical if you advertise a HG without any proof...
Answer my questions in my last post… your answer is all the proof you need
Yes to all, although when getting back at roulette;
I wonder what the real value of >50% really is;
what are implying, why do you think that 50%, its actually way more & even though why is that more than enough MT101?
Quote from: klw on Oct 26, 05:24 AM 2021He was also a member on VLS but looking through the members list on there he doesn't appear as Dyslexic. Looks like he was deleted ? Very strange.
Dyk was banned several times and he had a number of different usernames. Here's a few, but there could be more
rouletteforum.cc
Dyksexlic!
roueletteforum.net
Dyksexlic
D.y.k.s.e.x.l.i.c
vlsroulette.com
Dyksexlic
No More Bets
Hugh Demann
cilxeskyd
one more
roueletteforum.net
Doctor Dyk
Quote from: Dyksexlic! on Dec 27, 10:56 AM 2010
Certainly.
Yes, my 'session' is like the rollercoaster ride,
Meaning its guided on 'unmoveable' rails, (Mathematics)
And even though the ride is full of 'surprises', (Randomness)
It is still somewhat 'predictable' (Pigeonhole Principle), plus,
I have no doubt of a safe and positive return at the end.
My opening 'Balance' is comparable to my heartbeat,
It fluctuates during the course of the ride,
At some points dropping right through the floor,
At others, shooting through my chest.
But in the end, ALWAYS beating faster and stronger (100% guaranteed).
The scenario is the same regardless of which 'rollercoaster' (Casino) I choose.
Note, that I don't have to be a rollercoaster 'designer' (Playtech) to enjoy the ride,
Also, that I don't have ANY limit to how often I can ride,
Or, how many times I can choose to 'thrill' my heart (Profit),
Plus, I don't need to PREDICT the 'path' (RNG spins) of the rollercoaster,
AND, Once my rollercoaster has begun, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to stop me..!
Now perhaps you'll understand why I feel so darned HAPPY all the time.
:thumbsup:
Hmmm .. implying the (very) slight possibility of not completely bulletproof, although in math languange that degree of confidence, or better≠non-confidance might be fairly neglectable.
Quote from: ati! on Dec 27, 10:56 AM 2010
one more
roueletteforum.net
Doctor Dyk
Nope. The only DoctorSudoku. Other forums?
Ati, none of those exist any longer .. did you pull that up from the saved material, upload?
Quote from: TRD on Oct 27, 01:09 PM 2021
Yes to all, although when getting back at roulette;
I wonder what the real value of >50% really is;
what are implying, why do you think that 50%, its actually way more & even though why is that more than enough MT101?
I will answer your question to the best of my ability. I don’t know all the answers I just play with ideas based on what I see. Also from what I understand when I read the info. Then I try to come up with the best way to use the result to get what I want.
This information might or might not open your eyes to ideas. But if you go through messages shared by dyksexlic, Rrbb and Pri you will notice this message is there, but not clear.
Now I don’t know if you ever heard the term “free spin†Also known as break even
First and last time I will speak about this on the forum so directly. If you can find a way to take advantage of the >50% repeat value but also on the losing spins break even.
Would that be enough?
Hmmmmm .. yes, I am aware of it as in general concept.
Since you've mentioned 'first & last' I'll abstain from going deeper into it writing by further clarifying what I exactly mean.
However, here we ain't the working with spin .. the concept is transponded over a cycle, as you've mentioned SU of 18 spins constitute the ≈50% or 37.. By then the exposition is high enough that no hit after can brake-even, unless a high vertical progression is used resulting in a big bankroll requirement.
Of course there's the potential utility of the guaard or laying of bets to regard ..
& 50% applies to 8th in.
So, no, I don't see how the general concept applies to this practically & sufficiently, yet.
Quote from: TRD on Oct 27, 02:19 PM 2021
Quote from: ati on Oct 27, 01:36 PM 2021
one more
roueletteforum.net
Doctor Dyk
Nope. The only DoctorSudoku. Other forums?
It's almost impossible to find any of his old posts. I used to have a few saved, but I seem to have lost them.
I would post a link, but it's not possible anymore on this forum. So I've attached a screenshot of the web archive, where Doctor Dyk's name is visible. Sadly that topic won't open, so don't waste your time with it.
Fun fact: It was posted almost exactly 10 years ago. :)
Quote from: TRD on Oct 27, 03:32 PM 2021
By then the exposition is high enough that no hit after can brake-even, unless a high vertical progression is used resulting in a big bankroll requirement.
Why do you feel that your way of thinking is the ONLY way to accomplish this?
I thought the same thing, I admit it. So let me help you kill your thoughts and everyone else that thought the same thing.
I’ve been thinking of posting this for 15 mins and I came to the conclusion that it’s not something I want to say directly so I will share it in this way and pay attention to the details…Flatbet=2000+ units ? ? ?
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Why do you feel that your way of thinking is the ONLY way to accomplish this? [/quote]
I wish I knew better.. mentioning what I've contemplated ..
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Why do you feel that your way of thinking is the ONLY way to accomplish this?
I wish I knew better.. mentioning what I've contemplated ..
It’s alright I don’t have all the answers. I wish I knew better too. The issue is to much information from different perspectives.
Quote from: ati on Oct 27, 04:44 PM 2021
Nope. The only DoctorSudoku. Other forums?
It's almost impossible to find any of his old posts. I used to have a few saved, but I seem to have lost them.
I would post a link, but it's not possible anymore on this forum. So I've attached a screenshot of the web archive, where Doctor Dyk's name is visible. Sadly that topic won't open, so don't waste your time with it.
Fun fact: It was posted almost exactly 10 years ago. :)
Would be fun to read that topic? I wonder if they archived it here and still have access to bring it back 🤔
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 24, 02:07 PM 2021yyy back to dyslexic himself...it was me actually debating with him and gave this example which is when he promptly deleted his thread...i was a newbie then known as commonsense 1968 ..here is the o
Do you have any idea how to do this with lines? An example?
I'm put on the spot here,,
Now this is just off the top of my head
As there is lots if ways to do I would say ..
Dyslexic had a progression so he needed to hit at some point ...
A random example would bet the ds as you know it would repeat to close the cycle but could the number groups that are out and not in that ds and following ds be bet on at the same time off laying on the lines pay out?
Trying to make money t101 break even bet
A sort if differential bet,,,
As I say lots of different ways to look at it
The end if the cycle is the key to break even I would say ,,sort if closing a loop on one way or another ,,,
That is only an idea not a bet
3 posts that I have of Dr Dyk :)
Something really strange happened at the casino last night..
I met a woman who claimed she could 'Magic' money out of thin air.. (!)
So, I stopped playing my usual '100% Consistent Winning Roulette System' to hear more..
Anyway, to cut a short story long, we had a nice meal together, and the bill was £25.
We both paid £15 each, and the Waiter gave £30 to the Cashier.
The Cashier handed back £5 to the Waiter.
But, the Waiter kept £3 as a tip and handed back £1 to each of us
So, we paid £14 each for the meal, for a total of £28.
The Waiter had £3, and that made £31...!!
So, where did the other 'Magical' £1 come from?
..and (more importantly), can we build a HG roulette system out of this..?
Wait, that's not the whole story..
Her horny sister joined us later for a sexy threesome.. (!)
Anyway, we all had to get a taxi back to the hotel.
The taxi bill came to £25
We each paid £10, which her sister gave to the taxi Driver
The Driver handed back £5 to the girl..
But she couldn't split £5 three ways, so she gave everyone £1 each and stuck £2 in her panties for 'luck'.. lol
So therefore, we all paid £10 and got £1 back. £10-£1 = £9
There were three of us, 3 X £9 = £27
If we paid £27 and her nasty panties held £2: £27+£2=£29.... then,
Where did the other £1 go? £30 - £1 = £29
..and can we use this as a betting trigger...?
DR DYK : 10 Commandments for winning
1. W
2. L
3. L
4. L
5. L
6. L
7. L
8. L
9. L
10. L
Hehehehe..
Lol,,,,he's added the waiter to the bill already then again,,,,
The money is right
Hmm .. if all his other posts are based on the same thing; only here is obvious ..
100% winning system in what -- getting attention !?
Quote from: Badger on Oct 29, 07:50 AM 2021
3 posts that I have of Dr Dyk :)
Something really strange happened at the casino last night..
I met a woman who claimed she could 'Magic' money out of thin air.. (!)
So, I stopped playing my usual '100% Consistent Winning Roulette System' to hear more..
Anyway, to cut a short story long, we had a nice meal together, and the bill was £25.
We both paid £15 each, and the Waiter gave £30 to the Cashier.
The Cashier handed back £5 to the Waiter.
But, the Waiter kept £3 as a tip and handed back £1 to each of us
So, we paid £14 each for the meal, for a total of £28.
The Waiter had £3, and that made £31...!!
So, where did the other 'Magical' £1 come from?
..and (more importantly), can we build a HG roulette system out of this..?
Wait, that's not the whole story..
Her horny sister joined us later for a sexy threesome.. (!)
Anyway, we all had to get a taxi back to the hotel.
The taxi bill came to £25
We each paid £10, which her sister gave to the taxi Driver
The Driver handed back £5 to the girl..
But she couldn't split £5 three ways, so she gave everyone £1 each and stuck £2 in her panties for 'luck'.. lol
So therefore, we all paid £10 and got £1 back. £10-£1 = £9
There were three of us, 3 X £9 = £27
If we paid £27 and her nasty panties held £2: £27+£2=£29.... then,
Where did the other £1 go? £30 - £1 = £29
..and can we use this as a betting trigger...?
DR DYK : 10 Commandments for winning
1. W
2. L
3. L
4. L
5. L
6. L
7. L
8. L
9. L
10. L
Hehehehe..
Thank you badger for that! Anybody else has old messages from him?
Atleast these riddles have more detail because they show an exchange of money. The twins riddle only spoke about 1 winning and 1 losing but here we can see where the money is going
The first riddle is an ec bet with straight. The second riddle is a dozen bet with straight
The 10 commandments I’m a need more from that but I think it just shows the opposite has more value
I think that everyone has these posts of Dyksexlic.
1* There are 37 separate numbers, in a run of 38 consecutive numbers, at LEAST one of the 37 numbers MUST repeat a minimum of one time.
2* If you base a roulette strategy on this guaranteed principle, you'll have a system which cannot be beaten.
26* Did I ever say the "event" is a number repeating ? NO,(so number repeating is NOT an event) I said the system is based on a PRINCIPLE. Not an EVENT
39* Imagine I have a big bag of 37 numbered balls (each ball has a different number from 0 to 36 printed on it). I cant see the balls in the bag. They are 'randomly' mixed up.
40* I place my hand in the bag to pick a ball, then write the number down on a sheet of paper. I then place the ball back in the bag, then shake the bag up and mix up the 37 numbers, then place my hand back in the bag and pick another ball, again write the number down on the paper and place the ball back in the bag, and so on...
41* I keep on picking numbers in this way until I have a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper..
42* When I look at the list of 38 numbers on the paper, I find to my surprise that they are all different numbers EXCEPT one which is written down TWICE.
43* No matter how many times I repeat the experiment, I always end up with a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper with (at least) one number written down TWICE. ALWAYS the same, 36 numbers written down once, and one number written down twice..
(consecutively or not)
44*I discovered that ALL roulette RNGs (Random Number Generators) MUST follow this repeating number principle. This suddenly took away any UNCERTAINTY associated with placing a bet on roulette.I had done it ! I had BEATEN roulette..
51* Question "Why can't we MOVE the 100% Winning "future" EVENT back in time, to NOW ?" --> answer: No cant do, We're not
waiting for any Winning future "EVENT". So there's nothing to move. You want me to use 100% coverage for something that
DOESN'T even exist ? Why ? There are too many POSSIBILITIES
to give you any profit at 35:1. There has to be another way..
3* You don’t win every spin, but in a win you are in profit
4* My system doesn't wait for an event. It is a PRINCIPLED idea. No sequence of possible spins can change this principle.
7* when I win a cycle, I start again with the previous winning bet now
becoming the 1st bet in the new cycle etc.
5* I use FLAT BETS. (Progressions pave the road to Hell).
I SOMETIMES cover ALL numbers.
I ALWAYS cover SOME numbers. .
I treat all numbers the same (including the zero).
No individual roulette number has greater or lesser significance
6* It's NOT a DUMBA$$ progression that bets $1000's to make just 0.10 cents profit.
It's NOT AUTOMATED "magic" software.
It's NOT so called "luck". lol
It's NOT utilising some cheat / loophole / idiosyncracy in RNG casino software
It's NOT waiting 2 hours for a "trigger" event.
It's NOT some lame probability theory.
It's NOT essential to have a ma$$ive bankroll to play
It's NOT based on casino "BONUS" money - (go tell the casino to shove it up they a$$).
It's NOT awaiting 6 months of rigorous system "testing". lol
It's NOT going to fall apart if the casino RNG CHEATS... !!!
It's NOT concerned with "the house edge". Who CARES ?
It's NOT recording the patterns of red / black / high /low / odd / even etc.
It's NOT doubling up if you win / lose etc.
It's NOT waiting for "HOT" numbers or any other 'essential' event.
It's NOT restricted to casinos using Playtech software
It's NOT based on pseudo-random number sequences for success
It's NOT to do with calculating wheel bias. (Give me a $%#@ing break!)
It's NOT about calculating the velocity / wind direction / density of the ball / varnish on the wood etc.
It's NOT BS, or a figment of my imagination.
It's NOT for sale, but it IS REAL. I swear.
8* I can't predict the outcome of the roulette, but I dont need to
9* It’s just a solution to the problem of how do you secure a win regardless of sequence of numbers.
10* Roulette has NOTHING to do with numbers if you replaced the numbers with pictures of bunny rabbits, this mathematical principle would STILL hold true.
11* "What's NOT an EVENT, but can still HAPPEN ?"
12* After 3 consecutive dozens 1-2-3 the next spin COULD also be a zero
13* Fixed progression, that has regular betting amounts I.e 1,2,4,8,16,32---->My system doesn't work on that basis, it isn't a STATIC thing that doesn't change. It's a DYNAMIC system. (another clue)
So one example wouldn't hold for every sequence of numbers.
14* "PROGRESSIVE BET"-->progressively INCREASING the stake amount on any given bet (or group of bets) to recoup all monies lost thus far and either achieve a profit OR break even.
15* "FLAT BET" --> betting in such a manner that the stake amount on any given bet (or group of bets) DOESN'T INCREASE regardless of monies lost thus far.
16* "HELD BET" ---> betting in such a manner that EITHER a PROGRESSIVE BET, GROUP of PROGRESSIVE BETS, FLAT BET, or GROUP of FLAT BETS is repeated just as the PREVIOUS bet/bets.
17* A roulette table can contain any COMBINATION of Progressive / Flat / Held Bets.
18* A FLAT BET can be a HELD BET...
19* A HELD BET is NOT 'neccessarily' a FLAT BET !!!!!!!!
20* A HELD BET is NOT 'neccessarily' a PROGRESSIVE BET !!!!!!!!
21* FLAT BETS can ACCUMULATE without becoming PROGRESSIVE BETS !!!!!!!!
22* FLAT BETS added to HELD BETS dont 'neccessarily' become PROGRESSIVE BETS !!!!!!!!!!
23* A 'PROCESS' is NOT an 'EVENT', but CONTINUALLY happens.
24* All apparently UNCONNECTED continuum 'EVENTS' are CONNECTED both spatially and temporeally by space and by TIME
25* Out of DISORDER ('random' CHAOS) comes ORDER ('pattern')... "Ordo Ab Chao", RNG ---------------->CONTINUAL WINNING BETS
27* On the roulette table are several OPPOSITES. For example LOW/HIGH, EVEN/ODD, BLACK/RED.
28* Every morning, the SUN rises. We call this 'EVENT' -------> SUNRISE
29* Every evening, the SUN sets. We call this 'EVENT' --------> SUNSET
30* Sunrise and sunset are ALSO two OPPOSITES.
31* In the course of a day, at some places on our planet it is SUNRISE, and at the same time in ANOTHER place it is SUNSET
32* the sun is both, sunset and sunrise at the same time to two observers in two different places, but time is independent..
33* The two observers are still looking at the same 'EVENT'
34* sunset and sunrise are essentially the SAME 'EVENT' being simultaneously viewed from two different perspectives. "No man is an island..."
35* Two twin brothers were sat playing roulette in a Las Vegas casino. One twin was having incredibly good 'luck'. He'd won BIG money, the other twin was having an 'unlucky' time of it, losing continuously.
36* The Loser brother said: "Please brother, tell me the secret of how you always KNOW which number the roulette ball will land on.
37* The winner brother said: "I will answer your question if YOU answer me just ONE question first..".."how you 'KNOW' where to bet to ALWAYS lose.. ? "
38* I couldn't care less 'WHICH' number is spun after 37th spins as long as one gets spun...
45* quote: "somethimes playing on all numbers--- why losing 1 unit? for no reson?"
Even the cheating RNG doesn't win EVERY spin (it has losses too !)--- losing 1 unit to make 2 ? sounds good to me !
46* Every spin of the roulette wheel is an 'EVENT'. None of these 'EVENTS' are connected. Meaning if number 13 comes up, the next spin could be 13 too, as the last spin has no connection to this new 'EVENT'
47*So if we cant 'PREDICT' the 'EVENT', based on past spins ('EVENTS'). What can we do to win ?
48* We can look closer at the 'PROCESS' of 'EVENT' selection. This 'PROCESS' follows RULES. It isn't 'random'. It produces apparently random 'EVENTS', but it itself isn't 'random'.
49* the minimum bankroll to secure a win in 38 spins is around 2736 UNITS, that's mathematically sound
50*ASK YOUR SELF:
How do the 'MATHS' experts apply the principle ?
Are there any further ideas regarding this principle on Google ?Does the principle (which IS a given) hold true for all number sets ?
What number sets exist on a roulette table ?
Could a reduced / increased number set assist you ?
What other maths principles might apply to a roulette table ?
Who created roulette ? To serve what purpose ?
Is there more to betting roulette than a stepped progression ?
Were the creators of roulette 'AWARE' of the pigeonhole principle ? Why ?
What is the point of roulette ? Does it achieve this ? How ?
Why is the number "0" seperated from the other numbers ?
Is Dyksexlic really 'full of it' ? ..or is there 'something' out there ?
52* The game of roulette is an ancient one which hides a mathematical secret which is not at first apparent to the casual eye.
It is hidden in plain sight.
53* HIS LAST RESUME:
The system is a 38 spin repeating cycle betting routine. 38 spins is the maximum allowable length of one cycle. The minimum estimated bankroll required is 2736 units and bets are placed on every spin of the roulette wheel. The number of bets and coverage varies over the course of the cycle. The betting style is a form of flat betting which returns a 100% guaranteed profit over the course of any spin cycle. The system relies on the 'pigeonhole' principle of repeating number distribution. The object of the system is to return a single repeat of a roulette number within the spin cycle. Once a repeating number is achieved, the 38 spin cycle starts again. While it is extremely rare to run the entire 38 cycle from beginning to end, the system ALLOWS for this possibility, ensuring no loss of bankroll could possibly occur at the end of any given cycle. The system DOES return losing spins during the course of the 38 spin cycle, but it is MATHEMATICALLY impossible to produce an overall loss of bankroll at the end of any cycle. The system itself cannot be broken by ANY sequence of pseudo random numbers. The system is, to the best of my knowledge, the ONLY way to consistently win the game of roulette 100%. The system doesn't use a fixed progressive betting plan nor is it waiting for any particular event (high/low/odd/even etc.).
54*
The reason that I think that NoMoreBets was Dyksexlic, is that his bet also required 10 banks.
Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this forum but not to roulette (although a little rusty). I played in a real casinos on my 18th birthday and had quite a few ups and downs since then (I'm now 52). Best Win: £11,500 in one hour playing in Nice, France. Worst Loss: £19,000 in one week at the "old" Loews Hotel in Monte Carlo.
About 25 years ago, I made friends with a system architect (computing) who had a unique betting formula for winning on the horses. After seeing his system in action we became close friends (as you do LOL), and I agreed to fund further development of his system providing he could adapt it for roulette. Several months and a few thousand pounds later, we tested the new system in casinos from Surfers Paradise to Las Vegas, via Monaco and London. Results were rather hit and miss, and at times it was costly to run (requiring a £10,000 bank roll), but overall it was profitable and paid for our outrageous 12 week world tour!
For three years my friend made small changes to the system until it became more consistent and risk-effective. During that time we played it and each earned in excess of £100,000 a year. However, we decided that the casino lifestyle wasn't for us (hotels - travel - cigarette smoke - poor diet - no family life) so we agreed to complete a final year of roulette, win as much money as possible, then leave the system behind us and do other things with the capital. For my part, I went into trading the Futures markets. My friend decided to go into database software development. For the past 20 years we have both been relatively successful, and neither of us has ever had cause to use the roulette system... until now!
I'm sure you've all heard about the sub-prime situation in the U.S. Unfortunately, I was on the wrong side of that trade and the past year has hit my finances badly, with prospects in the short-term not looking too good at all. So, I've decided to take the roulette system out of moth-balls, and see if it's still the "nice little earner" that it was all those years ago.
Here's the thing... I was told that Internet casinos are the place to go now, but I don't know anything about them! I hadn't given them a serious moment's thought until recently. I've tried a place called Spin Palace Casino (using the FREE Play game). The system appears to work very well there (makes anything from $200 - $1000 per hour depending on bet size), but as you can imagine, I have so many questions about these computer based casinos.
So, here I am asking for your help.
In particular, I would be very grateful to know what you think about:
1) Internet roulette vs a real wheel.
2) Can Internet computer wheels be trusted? Surely, they can manipulate the results and let you win on the free games, then take your cash on the real money tables?
3) Are there any new rules out there concerning table limits and betting sequences?
4) Which casinos have high table limits (dozens) with low minimum bets?
5) Are there any casinos that I should avoid?
6) Can the Internet tables know when I am using a system? If so, what are the consequences, usually?
7) What would you do if you were in my position?
I look forward to hearing from you, and in return will be happy to share more of my experiences.
Cheers - DM - a.k.a. NoMoreBets
Thanks to everyone who has responded.
Let me say right now that there is not any possibility---------even the most slightest, tiniest, most minute, hey, I'm talking smaller than an amoeba's arsehole-----chance on God's green earth that I will ever sell this system... LOL (Sorry, TwoCatSam) Why would I want to sell the system when I can make a lot of money, for a lot less trouble, by simply playing it!!!
Mind you, I am that much older now and the idea of travelling and hanging around the casinos again doesn't fill my heart with glee. I was hoping that Internet casinos would remove that aspect AND allow me to make money faster. But from your feedback it doesn't look like RNG is the answer. Then again, if live wheels can be trusted, at least I won't have to do the travelling bit again.
As regards some of your questions:
To mattymattz: The system doesn't run on a computer (but maybe it could be adapted to do that - is it possible to have computerised systems run automatically on Internet roulette tables?? Could be very interesting!).
My system is currently written on paper. I only need to memorise the betting sequences again to use it in a real-world casino. Mind you, in my day it wasn't frowned upon to sit at the table with notebook in hand. I even used to tell pit bosses that I was betting using a system. NEVER was I told that I was cheating and NEVER was my table closed down! Do you think it's still like that or would I be kicked out for "cheating"?
My relationship with casino managers was excellent. In fact, in many casinos they went to some lengths to let people know that someone was winning BIG on roulette. Of course, they knew perfectly well that what ever we won, others would lose several time more. And either way, they had table limits to protect themselves. If I was winning, they had to put it down to LUCK - Right? LOL
To Carlitos: Thanks for the suggestions. When I didn't have a family (now married with three kids) the idea of flying off to a tropical paradise like Nassau (Bahamas), enjoying the sun, sea, booze, and women, before a hard slog at the tables was a VERY atractive proposition. In fact, I did that on a number of occasions... but I never won at the tables there because I wasn't focused and made too many mistakes playing the system! I think it's the same in anything we do. Take your eye off the ball for a second and you'll get kicked in the a**!
To VLSroulette: Your feedback has been very enlightening. I am truly grateful. I will follow up the various references as soon as I finish writing this and will revert in due course. I hope Casinowebcam.com is not typical of Internet casinos, otherwise, I will have to go back to real-world ones. Bummer!
As regards the system itself, I am somewhat limited as to what I can tell you. Not because I don't want to share (although I would be a fool to give away the secret), but it was my friend who spent years developing it and I never really wanted to know the technical details.
Nonetheless, here is what I can share at the moment:
1) The system requires up to 10 banks (although we only ever had to use a maximum of three - I think).
2) Each bank represents a number of chips, not a dollar value.
3) What separates the system from other systems - so I was told - is that bet size is based upon a mix of probability analysis, trend analysis, and money management (funny really, because without knowing it, I developed a very similar algorythmic system for trading Futures and Forex).
4) I think the system uses a grind progression but I can't be sure if that's what it's called. Suffice to say that bet size increases after each loss, although, we don't use a set multiple (e.g., 2,4,8,16 etc). Because bet size is based upon additional factors it uses is variable progression. In some instances, the return on the first winning bet can be ZERO. However, normally within the next two or three bets the system can return a profit of 5 - 10 times the losses of an entire progression (subject to table limits etc.) - If that makes sense.
So, there you have it. I hope I have not been too secretive, although I'm sure you can understand why I can't share everything with you.
I'm off now to review some of your feedback and will return later.
Cheers & Thanks to all - DM (a.k.a. NoMoreBets )
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To Spike: I'm not sure I fully understand your question/statement. As regards being a money management system, you are probably correct, but I know it's not that simple (after all it took many hundreds of man hours to perfect). We don't select individual numbers and place bets on them. We only play the outside 2:1 bets. However, we do record every spin and periodically determine a betting sequence, bet sizes for that sequence, and where to place the bets.
I think the only systematic feature is that it wins more often than it loses (about 55%). However, the wins are significantly greater on key spins, than the losses. If someone was watching my bets, I am sure they couldn't tell that I was using a system. The bets and placements are so entirely random. But then again, I can't be positive about that. Suffice to say that we never had any negative issues with the casinos we played in.
It's worth noting that we visited at least 30 casinos a year, and never won enough at any one casino to be noticed. Possibly that went in our favour. I was hoping that if there were similar numbers of Internet casinos I would be also able to play the system again without being noticed.
By the way, the reference you quoted to the system being "hit and miss and requiring a £10k bank roll" was only at the beginning. After my friend refined the calculations, it became very reliable. As regards the bank roll, that was relative to the winnings we wanted to make. As I mentioned previously, we require 10 banks. If I'm betting £1 chips the bank roll will be £10k. From that £10k I would hope to make about £1000 within 500 spins. But it doesn't work all the time and the system went down £25K at one point.
As regards the math... I don't know what to say. My friend is a genius so I didn't need to know any more than that. What I do know is that there are plenty of people who say that financial markets are random and that it shouldn't be possible to predict price movements. Let me tell you that I have lived very well for the past twenty years trading Futures and Forex. How? Not by predicting price movement but by developing and sticking religiously to a trading strategy that determines optimum entry and exit timing, bet size, position sizing (scaling up and down), and strong entry and exit efficiency. Something that, without realising it, is very similar to the roulette system. My trading profits (up until last year) made an average annual return of 48%.
It's a shame that Internet casinos appear to be hard nuts to crack. I'm still going to look into them further. At the moment I'm trying to determine whether they are mostly owned by one company, or if there are many "players". If I can find 20 or more players, then I might still have a chance to play the system and slip under the radar.
Do you think that winning £5K at any one Internet casino would get me noticed?
Cheers for now.
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You said you were living the casino lifestyle but you go on to say that you could average between $200 and $1000 per hour.
Please note that $200 - $1000 per hour was only the result of recent tests I carried out on an Internet Casino. I was getting substantially more spins per hour than at the real-world tables from years ago. You also forget that we had plenty of losses, all of which had to be recovered. As I've just mentioned in my previous post, the system only wins about 55% of the time. The remaining 45% is also spent at the casino. I can't remember exactly how many days we played each month (it certainly wasn't every month), but when we were playing, we spent at least 8 - 10 hours per day at the tables... and yes, on occasion we had our mail forwarded to the casinos too!
I'm sorry that you are sceptical about my post. But then again, I can understand. Either way, I have nothing to prove and don't feel that I should have to. I only wanted to get some advice about Internet casinos, and thanks to this forum I am making some good progress.
Cheers again - DM.
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hi NoMoreBets,
you are talking about winning $5K per day? or per week or per month?
I can safely tell you so far $5K per month is nothing.. safe.. and successful :-)
Thanks BobbyBobby,
I was talking about £5K per casino. The time frame for winning that amount is unpredictable but sometimes it could take about a week. Then I would move on to the next casino. I never really wanted to spend more than about 10 days at any one casino. If I hadn't won by then, I would move on regardless, and return at a later date (if needs required).
From the sound of it, you don't think that Intenet casinos would pay me any attention if I cleared £5k profit. If you don't mind me asking, what do you base that opinion upon? Is it simply from personal experience, or do you know of other information resources on the Internet?
I wish there was a truly reliable and verifiable source of Internet gambling data. Fom what I can gather this is still a poorly regulated area, and people's experiences vary dramatically. But I appreciate the feedback to date. Thanks
Cheers. DM
This was from a forum member by the name of Nobody. In 2009 he seemed to show a deeper understanding of non random. By Spin repeat, I think he was referring to the derived positions as in RRBB's thread.
Brainstorming / Pigeonhole of the pigeonhole
« on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »
Hi all,
It has been awhile since I really start a post.
I have a theory which I hope someone can help me test.
It is about the pigeonhole theory.
Condition:
1. In 38 spin there will 100% a repeating number (spin 38 is the max)
2. 38 spin = one session
3. Every session will show us on which spin the number repeat
4. In 39 session, there will 100% be a repeating "spin repeat"
Example A
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 12th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 11th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 19th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 7th spin ( Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat")
Example B
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 6th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 13th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 8th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 9th spin
Session 7: numbers repeat on the 13th spin (Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat"
Playing method:
We know there will 100% be a repeat in the "spin repeat", so we need to catch the spin repeat.
Play one using example A:
Session 1: we wait and got the first Spin Repeat (SR) which is 4
Session 2: we bet on spin 4 on the 1st,2nd and 3rd number on this session to catch a repeat (no win so,SR=12)
Session 3: we bet on 4th spin of this session using 1st,2nd & 3rd number of this session(no win so SR 11 - we dont need to bet on the 12th spin because there is already a SR)
Session 4: we bet on 4th spin, 11th spin & 12 spin (no win , SR=19)
Session 5: we bet on 4th spin (no win, SR=7)
Session 6: we bet on 4th spin, then caught the SR on the 7th spin!!!
So here, the main theory is to catch the SR.
As you can see, if the SR is small, we need to bet more.
If the SR is big, a new SR will hit before that SR, so no bet.
This is still on brainstorming.
We don't have to bet on straight numbers. It is too high progression.
I am still looking at ways to play betting on even, dozen, column, corner, or split depending on the numbers of each session!
Constructive opinion is welcome.
Possitive feedback or suggestion, will improve the play.
Negative feedback or suggestion remind us of the how this will fail.
If we can find a solution or minus drawdown to the bottleneck or negative side of the play, we have a better play.
What do you think of it? Share and everyone can brainstorm.
All the best to you all.
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
Was debating to post that stuff myself Badger...
But you've done it saves me deciding
Quote from: Badger on Oct 29, 03:05 PM 2021
The reason that I think that NoMoreBets was Dyksexlic, is that his bet also required 10 banks.
Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this forum but not to roulette (although a little rusty). I played in a real casinos on my 18th birthday and had quite a few ups and downs since then (I'm now 52). Best Win: £11,500 in one hour playing in Nice, France. Worst Loss: £19,000 in one week at the "old" Loews Hotel in Monte Carlo.
About 25 years ago, I made friends with a system architect (computing) who had a unique betting formula for winning on the horses. After seeing his system in action we became close friends (as you do LOL), and I agreed to fund further development of his system providing he could adapt it for roulette. Several months and a few thousand pounds later, we tested the new system in casinos from Surfers Paradise to Las Vegas, via Monaco and London. Results were rather hit and miss, and at times it was costly to run (requiring a £10,000 bank roll), but overall it was profitable and paid for our outrageous 12 week world tour!
For three years my friend made small changes to the system until it became more consistent and risk-effective. During that time we played it and each earned in excess of £100,000 a year. However, we decided that the casino lifestyle wasn't for us (hotels - travel - cigarette smoke - poor diet - no family life) so we agreed to complete a final year of roulette, win as much money as possible, then leave the system behind us and do other things with the capital. For my part, I went into trading the Futures markets. My friend decided to go into database software development. For the past 20 years we have both been relatively successful, and neither of us has ever had cause to use the roulette system... until now!
I'm sure you've all heard about the sub-prime situation in the U.S. Unfortunately, I was on the wrong side of that trade and the past year has hit my finances badly, with prospects in the short-term not looking too good at all. So, I've decided to take the roulette system out of moth-balls, and see if it's still the "nice little earner" that it was all those years ago.
Here's the thing... I was told that Internet casinos are the place to go now, but I don't know anything about them! I hadn't given them a serious moment's thought until recently. I've tried a place called Spin Palace Casino (using the FREE Play game). The system appears to work very well there (makes anything from $200 - $1000 per hour depending on bet size), but as you can imagine, I have so many questions about these computer based casinos.
So, here I am asking for your help.
In particular, I would be very grateful to know what you think about:
1) Internet roulette vs a real wheel.
2) Can Internet computer wheels be trusted? Surely, they can manipulate the results and let you win on the free games, then take your cash on the real money tables?
3) Are there any new rules out there concerning table limits and betting sequences?
4) Which casinos have high table limits (dozens) with low minimum bets?
5) Are there any casinos that I should avoid?
6) Can the Internet tables know when I am using a system? If so, what are the consequences, usually?
7) What would you do if you were in my position?
I look forward to hearing from you, and in return will be happy to share more of my experiences.
Cheers - DM - a.k.a. NoMoreBets
Thanks to everyone who has responded.
Let me say right now that there is not any possibility---------even the most slightest, tiniest, most minute, hey, I'm talking smaller than an amoeba's arsehole-----chance on God's green earth that I will ever sell this system... LOL (Sorry, TwoCatSam) Why would I want to sell the system when I can make a lot of money, for a lot less trouble, by simply playing it!!!
Mind you, I am that much older now and the idea of travelling and hanging around the casinos again doesn't fill my heart with glee. I was hoping that Internet casinos would remove that aspect AND allow me to make money faster. But from your feedback it doesn't look like RNG is the answer. Then again, if live wheels can be trusted, at least I won't have to do the travelling bit again.
As regards some of your questions:
To mattymattz: The system doesn't run on a computer (but maybe it could be adapted to do that - is it possible to have computerised systems run automatically on Internet roulette tables?? Could be very interesting!).
My system is currently written on paper. I only need to memorise the betting sequences again to use it in a real-world casino. Mind you, in my day it wasn't frowned upon to sit at the table with notebook in hand. I even used to tell pit bosses that I was betting using a system. NEVER was I told that I was cheating and NEVER was my table closed down! Do you think it's still like that or would I be kicked out for "cheating"?
My relationship with casino managers was excellent. In fact, in many casinos they went to some lengths to let people know that someone was winning BIG on roulette. Of course, they knew perfectly well that what ever we won, others would lose several time more. And either way, they had table limits to protect themselves. If I was winning, they had to put it down to LUCK - Right? LOL
To Carlitos: Thanks for the suggestions. When I didn't have a family (now married with three kids) the idea of flying off to a tropical paradise like Nassau (Bahamas), enjoying the sun, sea, booze, and women, before a hard slog at the tables was a VERY atractive proposition. In fact, I did that on a number of occasions... but I never won at the tables there because I wasn't focused and made too many mistakes playing the system! I think it's the same in anything we do. Take your eye off the ball for a second and you'll get kicked in the a**!
To VLSroulette: Your feedback has been very enlightening. I am truly grateful. I will follow up the various references as soon as I finish writing this and will revert in due course. I hope Casinowebcam.com is not typical of Internet casinos, otherwise, I will have to go back to real-world ones. Bummer!
As regards the system itself, I am somewhat limited as to what I can tell you. Not because I don't want to share (although I would be a fool to give away the secret), but it was my friend who spent years developing it and I never really wanted to know the technical details.
Nonetheless, here is what I can share at the moment:
1) The system requires up to 10 banks (although we only ever had to use a maximum of three - I think).
2) Each bank represents a number of chips, not a dollar value.
3) What separates the system from other systems - so I was told - is that bet size is based upon a mix of probability analysis, trend analysis, and money management (funny really, because without knowing it, I developed a very similar algorythmic system for trading Futures and Forex).
4) I think the system uses a grind progression but I can't be sure if that's what it's called. Suffice to say that bet size increases after each loss, although, we don't use a set multiple (e.g., 2,4,8,16 etc). Because bet size is based upon additional factors it uses is variable progression. In some instances, the return on the first winning bet can be ZERO. However, normally within the next two or three bets the system can return a profit of 5 - 10 times the losses of an entire progression (subject to table limits etc.) - If that makes sense.
So, there you have it. I hope I have not been too secretive, although I'm sure you can understand why I can't share everything with you.
I'm off now to review some of your feedback and will return later.
Cheers & Thanks to all - DM (a.k.a. NoMoreBets )
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To Spike: I'm not sure I fully understand your question/statement. As regards being a money management system, you are probably correct, but I know it's not that simple (after all it took many hundreds of man hours to perfect). We don't select individual numbers and place bets on them. We only play the outside 2:1 bets. However, we do record every spin and periodically determine a betting sequence, bet sizes for that sequence, and where to place the bets.
I think the only systematic feature is that it wins more often than it loses (about 55%). However, the wins are significantly greater on key spins, than the losses. If someone was watching my bets, I am sure they couldn't tell that I was using a system. The bets and placements are so entirely random. But then again, I can't be positive about that. Suffice to say that we never had any negative issues with the casinos we played in.
It's worth noting that we visited at least 30 casinos a year, and never won enough at any one casino to be noticed. Possibly that went in our favour. I was hoping that if there were similar numbers of Internet casinos I would be also able to play the system again without being noticed.
By the way, the reference you quoted to the system being "hit and miss and requiring a £10k bank roll" was only at the beginning. After my friend refined the calculations, it became very reliable. As regards the bank roll, that was relative to the winnings we wanted to make. As I mentioned previously, we require 10 banks. If I'm betting £1 chips the bank roll will be £10k. From that £10k I would hope to make about £1000 within 500 spins. But it doesn't work all the time and the system went down £25K at one point.
As regards the math... I don't know what to say. My friend is a genius so I didn't need to know any more than that. What I do know is that there are plenty of people who say that financial markets are random and that it shouldn't be possible to predict price movements. Let me tell you that I have lived very well for the past twenty years trading Futures and Forex. How? Not by predicting price movement but by developing and sticking religiously to a trading strategy that determines optimum entry and exit timing, bet size, position sizing (scaling up and down), and strong entry and exit efficiency. Something that, without realising it, is very similar to the roulette system. My trading profits (up until last year) made an average annual return of 48%.
It's a shame that Internet casinos appear to be hard nuts to crack. I'm still going to look into them further. At the moment I'm trying to determine whether they are mostly owned by one company, or if there are many "players". If I can find 20 or more players, then I might still have a chance to play the system and slip under the radar.
Do you think that winning £5K at any one Internet casino would get me noticed?
Cheers for now.
Quote
You said you were living the casino lifestyle but you go on to say that you could average between $200 and $1000 per hour.
Please note that $200 - $1000 per hour was only the result of recent tests I carried out on an Internet Casino. I was getting substantially more spins per hour than at the real-world tables from years ago. You also forget that we had plenty of losses, all of which had to be recovered. As I've just mentioned in my previous post, the system only wins about 55% of the time. The remaining 45% is also spent at the casino. I can't remember exactly how many days we played each month (it certainly wasn't every month), but when we were playing, we spent at least 8 - 10 hours per day at the tables... and yes, on occasion we had our mail forwarded to the casinos too!
I'm sorry that you are sceptical about my post. But then again, I can understand. Either way, I have nothing to prove and don't feel that I should have to. I only wanted to get some advice about Internet casinos, and thanks to this forum I am making some good progress.
Cheers again - DM.
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hi NoMoreBets,
you are talking about winning $5K per day? or per week or per month?
I can safely tell you so far $5K per month is nothing.. safe.. and successful :-)
Thanks BobbyBobby,
I was talking about £5K per casino. The time frame for winning that amount is unpredictable but sometimes it could take about a week. Then I would move on to the next casino. I never really wanted to spend more than about 10 days at any one casino. If I hadn't won by then, I would move on regardless, and return at a later date (if needs required).
From the sound of it, you don't think that Intenet casinos would pay me any attention if I cleared £5k profit. If you don't mind me asking, what do you base that opinion upon? Is it simply from personal experience, or do you know of other information resources on the Internet?
I wish there was a truly reliable and verifiable source of Internet gambling data. Fom what I can gather this is still a poorly regulated area, and people's experiences vary dramatically. But I appreciate the feedback to date. Thanks
Cheers. DM
Hmm I’m not sure
Quote from: Badger on Oct 29, 03:09 PM 2021
This was from a forum member by the name of Nobody. In 2009 he seemed to show a deeper understanding of non random. By Spin repeat, I think he was referring to the derived positions as in RRBB's thread.
Brainstorming / Pigeonhole of the pigeonhole
« on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »
Hi all,
It has been awhile since I really start a post.
I have a theory which I hope someone can help me test.
It is about the pigeonhole theory.
Condition:
1. In 38 spin there will 100% a repeating number (spin 38 is the max)
2. 38 spin = one session
3. Every session will show us on which spin the number repeat
4. In 39 session, there will 100% be a repeating "spin repeat"
Example A
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 12th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 11th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 19th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 7th spin ( Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat")
Example B
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 6th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 13th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 8th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 9th spin
Session 7: numbers repeat on the 13th spin (Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat"
Playing method:
We know there will 100% be a repeat in the "spin repeat", so we need to catch the spin repeat.
Play one using example A:
Session 1: we wait and got the first Spin Repeat (SR) which is 4
Session 2: we bet on spin 4 on the 1st,2nd and 3rd number on this session to catch a repeat (no win so,SR=12)
Session 3: we bet on 4th spin of this session using 1st,2nd & 3rd number of this session(no win so SR 11 - we dont need to bet on the 12th spin because there is already a SR)
Session 4: we bet on 4th spin, 11th spin & 12 spin (no win , SR=19)
Session 5: we bet on 4th spin (no win, SR=7)
Session 6: we bet on 4th spin, then caught the SR on the 7th spin!!!
So here, the main theory is to catch the SR.
As you can see, if the SR is small, we need to bet more.
If the SR is big, a new SR will hit before that SR, so no bet.
This is still on brainstorming.
We don't have to bet on straight numbers. It is too high progression.
I am still looking at ways to play betting on even, dozen, column, corner, or split depending on the numbers of each session!
Constructive opinion is welcome.
Possitive feedback or suggestion, will improve the play.
Negative feedback or suggestion remind us of the how this will fail.
If we can find a solution or minus drawdown to the bottleneck or negative side of the play, we have a better play.
What do you think of it? Share and everyone can brainstorm.
All the best to you all.
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
Yes this was dyksexlic and yes this is same as rrbb out the box topic
Conclusion based on what ..
Quote from: TRD on Oct 29, 05:58 PM 2021
Conclusion based on what ..
What are you asking exactly?
If it’s about nobody here is one of his post and you can tell by reading his sarcasm
vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=17110.0
Quote from: Badger on Oct 29, 03:09 PM 2021
This was from a forum member by the name of Nobody. In 2009 he seemed to show a deeper understanding of non random. By Spin repeat, I think he was referring to the derived positions as in RRBB's thread.
Brainstorming / Pigeonhole of the pigeonhole
« on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »
Hi all,
It has been awhile since I really start a post.
I have a theory which I hope someone can help me test.
It is about the pigeonhole theory.
Condition:
1. In 38 spin there will 100% a repeating number (spin 38 is the max)
2. 38 spin = one session
3. Every session will show us on which spin the number repeat
4. In 39 session, there will 100% be a repeating "spin repeat"
Example A
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 12th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 11th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 19th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 7th spin ( Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat")
Example B
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 6th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 13th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 8th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 9th spin
Session 7: numbers repeat on the 13th spin (Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat"
Playing method:
We know there will 100% be a repeat in the "spin repeat", so we need to catch the spin repeat.
Play one using example A:
Session 1: we wait and got the first Spin Repeat (SR) which is 4
Session 2: we bet on spin 4 on the 1st,2nd and 3rd number on this session to catch a repeat (no win so,SR=12)
Session 3: we bet on 4th spin of this session using 1st,2nd & 3rd number of this session(no win so SR 11 - we dont need to bet on the 12th spin because there is already a SR)
Session 4: we bet on 4th spin, 11th spin & 12 spin (no win , SR=19)
Session 5: we bet on 4th spin (no win, SR=7)
Session 6: we bet on 4th spin, then caught the SR on the 7th spin!!!
So here, the main theory is to catch the SR.
As you can see, if the SR is small, we need to bet more.
If the SR is big, a new SR will hit before that SR, so no bet.
This is still on brainstorming.
We don't have to bet on straight numbers. It is too high progression.
I am still looking at ways to play betting on even, dozen, column, corner, or split depending on the numbers of each session!
Constructive opinion is welcome.
Possitive feedback or suggestion, will improve the play.
Negative feedback or suggestion remind us of the how this will fail.
If we can find a solution or minus drawdown to the bottleneck or negative side of the play, we have a better play.
What do you think of it? Share and everyone can brainstorm.
All the best to you all.
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
Well, how does this enclose the meta-cycle on a sure win?
Let's say we play DS district.
If zero, lost spin but ignored in the count.
Let's skip easy wins, look at the worst-case scenario.
1st Cycle - Repeat on a spin 6 (SR=6)
2nd cycle - SR=5
here we have to bet 5DS on 6th spin (for a cycle to constitutionally repeat itself)
3rd cycle - SR=4
here we have to bet 4DS on 5th spin
5DS on 6th spin
4th cycle - SR=3
​here we have to bet 3DS on 4th spin
​4DS on 5th spin
5DS on 6th spin
5th cycle - SR=2
​here we have to bet 2DS on 3rd spin
3DS on 4th spin
​4DS on 5th spin
5DS on 6th spin
6th cycle - SR=1
​here we have to bet 1DS on 2nd spin
2DS on 3rd spin
3DS on 4th spin
​4DS on 5th spin
5DS on 6th spin
you can see that the 6th spin is always skipped, no-bet
great, as is always the trouble at using cardinal+ordinal streams
also only 5 out of the first 6 cycles are bet upon7th cycle - should inevitably repeat one of the 6 constitutional permutations
​here we have to bet 1DS on 2nd spin
2DS on 3rd spin
3DS on 4th spin
​4DS on 5th spin
5DS on 6th spin
What if the 7th cycles' SR=6, as well.
And the one after that, & the one after that, multiple all-unique cycle can happen at any time.
oops, the trouble's back ..yes, it might give you greater binomial certainty of meta-cycle completing successfully with a 'cycle repeat' over playing over one cycle only for a DS to repeat .. but what exposition have you accumulated till then?
worst case scenario, flat-bet
2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th
(5)+(5+4)+(5+4+3)+(5+4+3+2)+(5+4+3+2+1)+(5+4+3+2+1) = 5+9+12+14+15+15 = 70
-70, notwithstanding the Zero coincidental outcomes
& potential consequent SR=6 (-15) cycles added on top of that,
provided you don't accept a loss & continue till win inevitable win
If you do, you can pretty much count on the same won't happen again 2x or 3x times in a row.
Someone would have to calculate the binomial certainty for that to be precise) + (-70 flatbet) ain't that bet, but what's the gain (+5 at first spin at most & by spin4 ie. 4th cycle at the latest is already break-even, could be neg in the first)
If you don't -- the progression to win with one hit at the e.g. modified 5DS (+1) would be by then astronomical.
If you decide to add another bet structure to complement it along the way .. it might win .. it might lose too adding extra debt.
All this fun views might be fun, but serving who & for what purposes.
All I see is praline jumping up, 6th stepping it with a redirection, & a then lot of smudging on top.
Bottom line, although it adds a lot of complexity its just a streched PhP within a cycle,
the concept has a hole ultimately. & luck won't hermetically close it into '100% consistent winning system'.
Nice summary,,,those conclusions of your examples were reached many years ago ,,
Do you think redhots example of the high percentage hit rate of ds of the low repeating is just that
The low repeating in all the ds,,
All it really means is the last 3ds out,,
Do you think if it went on further for a cycle closure it disregards the furthest ds out ? And a repeat in the latest 3ds is included in his hit rate
QuoteAll it really means is the last 3ds out,,
Sure.
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Do you think if it went on further for a cycle closure it disregards the furthest ds out ? And a repeat in the latest 3ds is included in his hit rate
?? rephrase
using only last 3DS invalidates the PhP, & the whole structure outlined as well.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 30, 01:29 AM 2021
The low repeating in all the ds,,
All it really means is the last 3ds out,,
Well it’s last 3ds but for a cycle! Meaning once a 4th ds shows up you ignore the ds farthest out and only play the most recent 3.
Example with spins 12345
After First spin you play 1
After second spin you play 12
After third spin you play 123
After 4th spin you play 234
After 5th spin you play 345
thnx for the suggestion & clarification; always up to three latest DS, correct?
further, this modifies the core concept & although it still maintains the SR structure, it has nothing to do with hermetically sealing the game into a template with a sure repeat in a predefined number of spins. any ideas about achieving/attaining that?
Like I told a few ppl already… all this new information is messing with everything I was doing before. It’s not easy for me to switch my old ways and this new info requires it. So many of the ideas I came up with still use the old thinking.
I said it a couple of post back… we have been doing this all wrong!
Dyksexlic even clearly stated in his old messages. Number repeating is not the winning event. He even said he doesn’t bet 1 unit on all 37 numbers.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 30, 12:18 PM 2021
Number repeating is not the winning event. He even said he doesn’t bet 1 unit on all 37 numbers.
Correct .. a form of flat betting, positions can?be overlayed, one SU repeat does not resolve the game, but is based on the 'must repeat' principle.
Quote5* I use FLAT BETS. (Progressions pave the road to Hell).
I SOMETIMES cover ALL numbers.
I ALWAYS cover SOME numbers. .
I treat all numbers the same (including the zero).
No individual roulette number has greater or lesser significance
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2* If you base a roulette strategy on this guaranteed principle, you'll have a system which cannot be beaten.
He's obviously adding numbers as they come out - sometimes up to the whole board covered - according to the 'sure hit' principle which -- SOMETIMES ALL .. I doubt that he ever encountered 37 uniques, even above 30 -- which kind of implies the core Vaddi structure too (attack+block), possibly multiple concurrent & filling the board up after a hit. Although this is a speculation.
He doesn't say anything about neither up to how many stacked nor removed, & in what manner; but if a single SU hit ain't resolutive + always covering SOME numbers, that implies upon a hit removing some of them only meanwhile others persist (as block); & each group, of yet unknown & to be determined amount of numbers, is based on the core 'sure hit' principle â†' multiple blocks.
Concurrent blocks might get added numbers alternately!
Always SOME numbers .. can some include or is some by definition more?
[13* Fixed progression, that has regular betting amounts I.e 1,2,4,8,16,32---->My system doesn't work on that basis, it isn't a STATIC thing that doesn't change.
It's a DYNAMIC system. (another clue)
So one example wouldn't hold for every sequence of numbers.[/quote]
Also
QuoteThe system is a 38 spin repeating cycle betting routine. 38 spins is the maximum allowable length of one cycle. The minimum estimated bankroll required is 2736 units and bets are placed on every spin of the roulette wheel. The number of bets and coverage varies over the course of the cycle. The betting style is a form of flat betting which returns a 100% guaranteed profit over the course of any spin cycle. The system relies on the 'pigeonhole' principle of repeating number distribution. The object of the system is to return a single repeat of a roulette number within the spin cycle. Once a repeating number is achieved, the 38 spin cycle starts again. While it is extremely rare to run the entire 38 cycle from beginning to end, the system ALLOWS for this possibility, ensuring no loss of bankroll could possibly occur at the end of any given cycle.
Maximum allowable length .. 38 spins -- Are there more types?
Bankroll ..2736u --
Object .. return a hit, restart the cycle.
Full cycle .. extremely rare.
A bankroll of 2736u & flat betting with 1+2+...+36+37=703, definitely implies potentially carrying the debt beyond the cycle's max lenght.
What I ain't clear about, the mentioned Vaddi speculation above, is "Once a repeating number is achieved, the 38 spin cycle starts again." -- does that mean resetting all the positions, I would say most likely not due to "always SOME numbers".
&, another thing, most importantly
The betting style is a form of flat betting which returns a 100% guaranteed profit over the course of any spin cycle.
What does the 'cycle' here mean?
It obviously ain't 38-spin cycle. We know that eg. betting SUs on its own is profitable only stacking'em up to 7, 8 is a break-even. Anything beyond that, 7th spin, is not 100% profit. May be a sure hit, but definitely not 100% profit.
What he's saying implies both!
This can be interpreted, in two ways
• those potential structural subcycles (partly) overlay for the guaranteed profitm although I have bo idea about a congruent way to do so
• that at every hit max 7 positions are taken offboard, satisfying both conditions -- sure hit, no matter how late in the 38-spin cycle + 100% guaranteed profit. The huge bankroll is in accordance to this as well. Although, without any other modification(s) it would sometimes take ages to recover the outstanding debt flat bet. ??
Yep pretty mind boggling dyslexic...
Maybe you would have done better than me with him ....on that thread,,,
Who knows ,,,but has it transgressed further than his original idea
Finally instead of focusing on how crazy it sounds I can see we are heading in the right direction by asking the proper questions
:thumbsup:
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General Discussion / Re: Dyksexlic, proof of identity
« on: Dec 14, 09:48 PM 2010 »
Quote from: Bayes link=topic=2884. msg27047#msg27047 date=1292358951
in no way can using the PP help you to win.
No matter how authoritative they may sound, don't let anyone tell you that the PP is the gateway to roulette riches - it isn't.
I beg to differ Bayes.
Interesting post tho'.
Albeit a little misleading. .
Yes, the Pigeonhole Principle is somewhat intuitive, but do NOT underestimate its power!!!
Put simply, the Principle states that if more than n pigeons are placed into n pigeonholes, some pigeonhole must contain more than one pigeon.
Big deal.
So, what does that have to do with winning roulette. . ?
EVERYTHING!!!!
While the Principle itself is evident, its implications are astounding.
The reason is that the Principle proves the existence (or impossibility) of a particular phenomenon.
Another version states -
"the maximum value is at least the average value, for any non-empty finite bag of real numbers. . "
Hmmmmmmmm. . the plot thickens.
For typical data sets, the average is the ââ,¬Å"middleââ,¬Â value, so clearly the maximum should be at least as big.
Incidently, many forum members have asked me why I called myself 'Dyksexlic'
Simple.
It was out of respect and admiration of the man who opened my eyes to the possibility of a 100% winning roulette bet.
His name was Professor Dijkstra.
Go ahead.
Google it. .
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General Discussion / Re: Dyksexlic, proof of identity
« on: Dec 15, 12:14 PM 2010 »
@flukey luke and VLS
Yes, I was referring to Professor Edsger Djikstra. A beautiful mind.
@Bayes
There is NO conspiracy at work.
Your perverse virtue of humility is intoxicating.
For the record, I had no prior knowledge of this Dyksexlic 'imposter' chappie, as verified by several independant sources. Victor and Ka2 will attest.
So, why do you seek to persecute me? Your crass cynicism amounts to intellectual treason..!
I make NO errant claim. Mathematics is the lost key to all of roulette's hidden treasures.
As far as I am concerned, there is NO need to to discuss either my 100% winning bet selection method or the mysterious Pigeonhole Principle.
Be that as it may, certain forum members have expressed an desire to debate this maths topic. I was therefore prepared to engage in an open discussion.
Discerning minds need only a hint, as understatement leaves the imagination free to build its own elaborations.
Make no mistake. Roulette needs ME..!
Permanent success cannot be achieved except by incessant intellectual labour, always inspired by the ideal.
Where better than here, on an OPEN roulette forum..?
But, if you believe my prescence will somehow antagonise the power-drunk moderators, then I'll consign this intellectual debate to history..!
Good day to you Sir.
@Ka2
Yes, the foundation of the bet is the Pigeonhole Principle.
You're correct, all roulette systems are subject to the maths of the game.
This is actually a GOOD thing as the casino is ALSO subject to the same maths of the game.
No 38 spin sequence can therefore cause the Pigeonhole Principle to fail.
The Principle 'underwrites' the system's 100% win guarantee.
So, if a rogue RNG played 100% against the system, it would STILL win.
100% Guaranteed. No 'luck' involved.
Yes, I know exactly what you're thinking..
"odds of 35:1"
"negative expection"
"rigged RNG"
blah, blah, blah
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General Discussion / Re: Winter solstice marked by eclipse
« on: Dec 21, 01:10 PM 2010 »
Yeh, I noticed that eclipse too..
We held a 'special' celebration.
That ol' black magic has me in its spell..
Hehehe
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General Discussion / The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 26, 04:22 PM 2010 »
Disclaimer - "The following thread contains mathematical ideas which you may not agree with. If this is likely to cause you anxiety, please refrain from reading any further. If you continue, you implicitly acknowledge that Dyksexlic is not responsible for any harm caused to your cerebral cortex."
How to prove ANYTHING with the Pigeonhole Principle:
There are FOUR steps involved.
1) Decide what the 'pigeons' are. They will be the things that youââ,¬â,,¢d like several of to have some 'special property'.
2) Set up the 'pigeonholes'. You want to do this so that when you get two 'pigeons' in the same 'pigeonhole', they have the property you want. To use the Pigeonhole Principle, it is necessary to set things up so that there are fewer 'pigeonholes' than 'pigeons'.
(Sometimes, the way to do this relies on some 'astute observation'. )
3) Give a rule for assigning the 'pigeons' to the 'pigeonholes'. It is important to note that the conclusion of the Pigeonhole Principle holds for any assignment of 'pigeons' to 'pigeonholes', so it holds for any assignment you describe. Pick the rule so that when enough 'pigeons' occupy the same 'pigeonhole', that collection has the property you want.
4) Apply the Pigeonhole Principle to your system and get the desired conclusion.
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General Discussion / Re: The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 26, 08:38 PM 2010 »
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 06:41 PM 2010
Well, that's all well and good if you have pigeons but do you apply this concept to roulette?
The 'pigeons' are merely a mathematical metaphor.
Consider the principle a 'conceptual visualisation tool'.
A 100% Mathematically guaranteed roulette bet is possible with the correct application.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 06:41 PM 2010
Please give us some specific examples of how to use it with roulette. It would be most helpful, since I feel confident that many of us reading your post, have no idea what on earth you are referring to. It sounds interesting though.
Scooby Doo
This thread is ONLY concerned with the Pigeonhole Principle itself.
For 'winning bet selections', kindly refer to Norman Bates... [Sarcastic smile ]!
However, consider the following example..
QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b).
ANSWER -
Let the 'pigeons' be the 10 spins selected.
Define nine 'pigeonholes' corresponding to the odd spins 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17.
Place each spin selected into the pigeonhole coresponding to its largest odd divisor (which must be one of 1, 3, 5, . . . , 17).
Notice that if x gets placed in the pigeonhole corresponding to the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0.
Since 10 spins are selected and placed in nine pigeonholes, some pigeonhole contains two spins a and b, where a < b.
Suppose this pigeonhole corresponds to the odd spin t. Then, a = 2rt and b = 2st, where are < s, so that a2s−r = b.
Since s−r is a positive spin, it follows that a|b.
Welcome to the Magical Land of Mathematics..!
General Discussion / Re: What have you learned about roulette in 2010?
« on: Dec 27, 11:33 AM 2010 »
Quote from: flukey luke on Dec 25, 01:12 PM 2010
Have you made any significant breakthroughs in your game in 2010.
It could be regarding bet selection, money management, philosophy etc....
Anything that you think has helped to improve your play.
I've learned....that it wasn't enough to want to see Uncle Henry and Auntie Em...
And that if I ever go looking for my heart's desire again,
I shouldn't look any farther than my own back yard.
Because if it isn't there, then I never really lost it to begin with.
General Discussion / Re: The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 27, 11:45 AM 2010 »
Quote from: Fripper on Dec 26, 08:45 PM 2010
You lost me in the question but it was a nice read tho.
Maybe if I had read it in my own language it may have been easier to understand
Thanks for sharing the pigeon principle
You're welcome.
Mathematics sounds the same in ANY language.
The Pigeonhole Principle is a roulette players secret weapon.
In general, it may not be so clear how to apply the Principle.
Sometimes we need to cleverly construct the 'pigeons' and the 'holes'.
If we do this correctly, the proof should be slick.
Otherwise, the problem may seem forbiddingly difficult.
When stuck, do not give up so easily!
You learn and improve the most when you are stuck.
Keep thinking of possible approaches, perhaps for a few hours,
And you might be rewarded with an elegant solution.
This is the ONLY way to learn mathematical problem solving.
Cheers.
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General Discussion / WINNING SYSTEMS? HOLY GRAILS?
« on: Dec 27, 12:07 PM 2010 »
Quote from: A3on on Dec 27, 12:55 AM 2010
Many people confuse a winning system with a holy grail.
In my way of seeing it, an holy grail have a simple definition:
System who can never lose a single session !
I don't believe in a "holy grail" system.
but I do believe in a winning one
The ONLY difference between a Winning System and the Holy Grail is this:
Any roulette system can win (no matter how ludicrous the bet selection method),
However, ONLY the Holy Grail is MATHEMATICALLY guaranteed to win each session.
Consider it an insurance policy.
My roulette sessions are just like riding a rollercoaster,
Yes, there are twists, turns and scary moments,
But, I NEVER fall off the rails,
And, I ALWAYS get back to where I started from,
Walking away with my heart pounding and a BIG grin on my face..
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General Discussion / Re: Game everyday life ââ,¬â€œ a diary of the roulette player -Russian-speaking forum
« on: Dec 27, 12:21 PM 2010 »
Quote from: Xoomax on Dec 27, 10:02 AM 2010
Thanks for an interesting forum. I read much, I test ââ,¬Â¦
Zdravstvuj Xoomax
K sozhaleniyu, ya poka ne govoryu po russki.
Mathematics sounds the same in ANY language.
Zhelayu vsego khoroshego.
Uspekhov!
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General Discussion / Re: Everything's a flat bet!
« on: Dec 27, 12:42 PM 2010 »
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General Discussion / WINNING SYSTEMS? HOLY GRAILS?
« on: Dec 27, 03:56 PM 2010 »
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 27, 03:04 PM 2010
Pardon for asking, the ride sounds quite interesting,
but is there any point to it if you end up back at exactly the same point?
Or is there a little gain that your not telling Us about?
Please tell me there's a point to the journey!?!
Certainly.
Yes, my 'session' is like the rollercoaster ride,
Meaning its guided on 'unmoveable' rails, (Mathematics)
And even though the ride is full of 'surprises', (Randomness)
It is still somewhat 'predictable' (Pigeonhole Principle), plus,
I have no doubt of a safe and positive return at the end.
My opening 'Balance' is comparable to my heartbeat,
It fluctuates during the course of the ride,
At some points dropping right through the floor,
At others, shooting through my chest.
But in the end, ALWAYS beating faster and stronger (100% guaranteed).
The scenario is the same regardless of which 'rollercoaster' (Casino) I choose.
Note, that I don't have to be a rollercoaster 'designer' (Playtech) to enjoy the ride,
Also, that I don't have ANY limit to how often I can ride,
Or, how many times I can choose to 'thrill' my heart (Profit),
Plus, I don't need to PREDICT the 'path' (RNG spins) of the rollercoaster,
AND, Once my rollercoaster has begun, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to stop me..!
Now perhaps you'll understand why I feel so darned HAPPY all the time.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 30, 12:18 PM 2021
Number repeating is not the winning event. He even said he doesn’t bet 1 unit on all 37 numbers.
Hi
So do we know what is the event he was using?
QuoteHow to prove ANYTHING with the Pigeonhole Principle:
There are FOUR steps involved.
1) Decide what the 'pigeons' are. They will be the things that youââ,¬â,,¢d like several of to have some 'special property'.
2) Set up the 'pigeonholes'. You want to do this so that when you get two 'pigeons' in the same 'pigeonhole', they have the property you want. To use the Pigeonhole Principle, it is necessary to set things up so that there are fewer 'pigeonholes' than 'pigeons'.
(Sometimes, the way to do this relies on some 'astute observation'. )
3) Give a rule for assigning the 'pigeons' to the 'pigeonholes'. It is important to note that the conclusion of the Pigeonhole Principle holds for any assignment of 'pigeons' to 'pigeonholes', so it holds for any assignment you describe. Pick the rule so that when enough 'pigeons' occupy the same 'pigeonhole', that collection has the property you want.
4) Apply the Pigeonhole Principle to your system and get the desired conclusion.
The trouble, as Bayes pointed out, in my words is the standard determination of a pidgeonhole, where the number of pigeonholes equals the number of constuting parameters in the payout eg. DS=6, where the last bet returns nothing at all, & add to this the Zero possibility as well.
There has to be some other way of defining the pidgeonholes properly -- to fit the roulette payouts & 100% assured profit accordingly.
Here's an example some type of alternative, but yet I don't know what to make of it.
Quote
This thread is ONLY concerned with the Pigeonhole Principle itself.
For 'winning bet selections', kindly refer to Norman Bates... [Sarcastic smile ]!
However, consider the following example..
QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b).
ANSWER -
Let the 'pigeons' be the 10 spins selected.
Define nine 'pigeonholes' corresponding to the odd spins 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17.
Place each spin selected into the pigeonhole coresponding to its largest odd divisor (which must be one of 1, 3, 5, . . . , 17).
Notice that if x gets placed in the pigeonhole corresponding to the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0.
Since 10 spins are selected and placed in nine pigeonholes, some pigeonhole contains two spins a and b, where a < b.
Suppose this pigeonhole corresponds to the odd spin t. Then, a = 2rt and b = 2st, where are < s, so that a2s−r = b.
Since s−r is a positive spin, it follows that a|b.
Welcome to the Magical Land of Mathematics..!
Then again, if I take in your suggestion 6th sense, about 3DS having ≈99.x% or probability of hitting in 6x spins .. although I don't know if this really fits the below yet, & would need a modification of some sort till both PhP & the model in total resonance
Playing DS district:
eg.
our DS cycle is of the lenght of four spins only.
going for a repeat of cycle structure, as per the nobody's SR concept
on 2nd cycle we place only 1 bet, on third 2 bets, on fourth 3 bets
how do we surpass the possibility of cycle no-hit ..
how many permutations initial spin+three-spins of DS permutations - order of no significance, are that would still assure a repeat of one of them ! that still includes a repeat of the initial spin within itself -- I got the calculator, got 56. 56x3 is out of the question ..
Anyone got any tacit 'abstute observation' about creating PhP alternatively to the most common application?
The concept has to be sealed by itself & in itself, assured hit + different that total payout parameters pigeonhole, before even going into practical execution of it.
I’m still in the thinking stage of the route I want to use but I don’t feel personally this is the only way to apply the pigeonhole principle.
I posted before about the example professor dijkstra used and I tried to demonstrate it with dozens
Without knowing which will repeat In 13 spins we are guaranteed a dozen to repeat 5 times minimum!
So if we can find some form of betting where we can take advantage of the hits and minimize the losses we can beat every 13 spins of dozens
The same can be applied for other number groups
Dyksexlic just found a way to apply this principle to 38 spins!
Is this ok for the pigeonhole.. So if there are to pigeons what next?
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 31, 08:13 AM 2021
Is this ok for the pigeonhole.. So if there are to pigeons what next?
Nice visual btw :thumbsup:
It all comes down to your application and how you are playing this.
From the looks of it you are putting the numbers into there matching positions and 11 was the repeat but I can be wrong…
But once you have two pigeons you should have finished a cycle and start over. So you need to figure out how to bet? When to bet? What to bet on? ( it’s possible the opposite bet might have more value)
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 31, 08:13 AM 2021
Is this ok for the pigeonhole.. So if there are to pigeons what next?
what order did the numbers come out?
also is this just a visual sheet or a program /excel
Sorry for my english,I remember Dyksexlic say when a repeat come that session end..At the start i was playing every number that came out untill i had 8 in total,from that point is (the What to do?)..
6TH-SENSE is there any conection for the order to the Pigeonhole!
Also this pick has to be part of the calculation to pigeohole!!!
I am ok with that or i am on the wrong path?
Quote from: alexlaf on Nov 02, 07:37 AM 2021I am ok with that or i am on the wrong path?
Hi Alexlaf -- I personally don't think you are as all you are doing is re-hashing ( great visual by the way ) a standard roulette way of thinking which loses to the house edge. Of course I might be wrong. I think he was predicting what is likely to come.
Take a look at this, it should give you some help to go down a different path.
Hmm , can't post the link , are they banned or something ?
I will re-produce the opening post of the thread here OR put " Dyksexlic's RNG Roulette Demo - HATE FREE ZONE !!
9 May 2009 " into google and the thread should come up.
Cheers.
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Dyksexlic's RNG Roulette Demo - HATE FREE ZONE !!
May 09, 2009, 09:20:55 PM
SHUT AND SIT YOUR HAPPY A$$ DOWN..
Welcome to Dyksexlic's 100% Winning Roulette Demonstration.. (please open your closed 'loser' minds... just a little!)
If you can't understand this simple roulette experiment, then please STOP playing roulette .. You're just plain STUCK on stupid !
RNG Roulette Vs. Word Roulette
RNG Roulette as we all KNOW consists of 37 SEPERATE numbers. However, as I previously explained, the numbers are really just 'PLACE' holders,
and could easily be replaced with ANY other 37 'PLACE' holders (e.g 37 colours, 37 animals, 37 pictures of 'Forum Haters' etc.)
The game of RNG Roulette (contrary to 'EXPERT' oppinion) is based on unchangeable MATHEMATICAL principles and NOT random numbers.
For today's experiment I have REMOVED the numbers from the roulette wheel / table , and replaced them with '37 RANDOM ENGLISH WORDS'.
This in NO WAY changes the 'RULES' of the game of roulette in the slightest.
GET IT ?
GOT IT ?
GOOD !
The English language consists of over 500,000 words. This number is growing daily as new words continue to be added.
To form a 38 word sentence in ENGLISH requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' grammar rules !!!
To form a 38 spin repeating cycle using the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle in roulette requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' betting rules !!
Am I Going Too Quickly For You?
In the game of roulette, certain 'numbers' BELONG to certain sub sets (e.g RED/BLACK/HIGH/LOW/ODD/EVEN etc).
In the English language, certain 'words' BELONG to certain sub sets (e.g NOUNS/VERBS/ADJECTIVES/ADVERBS/CONJUNCTIONS etc).
Yeh, I KNOW - You knew that 'ALREADY' right ? Silly Me.
In RNG roulette, in any group of 37 seperate 'NUMBERS' the CHANCES of anyone being able to form a coherent 38 spin cycle in a
'PIGEONHOLE' principally 'CORRECT' manner would be staggeringly HIGH, or (if you are a member of this forum, Hmm...'IMPOSSIBLE'!)
Likewise, In WORD roulette, in any group of 37 seperate WORDS, the 'CHANCES' of someone being able to form a coherent passage
using ALL 37 WORDS in an 'ENGLISH' grammatically 'CORRECT' manner would also be staggeringly HIGH ,
(funny then how members of this forum STILL manage to talk sh*t ! - Hmm...'POSSIBLE'!)
Still with me ?
:scratch_ones_head:
Time For A CHALLENGE !!!!
Now, using just one set of 37 RANDOM WORDS would be difficult enough, but supposing we added a 'CONTINUAL' SECOND data stream of random words (composed of the 37 original word 'VOCABULARY' data set) and fed them into a roulette table composed of the FIRST set (to act as our roulette 'SPIN' event) !
Would it be possible for any roulette 'System' to be able to take the SECOND data stream of words and accurately PREDICT the correct relevance of each of the 37 place holders (roulette table bets) BEFORE 1 of the words REPEATS ? - thus ORDERING them into a COHERENT English Sentence that used the 37 WORDS in the CORRECT order.
Now the 'CHANCES' of being able to do this are so high, that no computer in the world could POSSIBLY calculate the odds. If I used a machine to create the second data stream of roulette 'SPIN' words, I could be accused by 'EXPERTS' of cheating. So I thought of a better solution. Supposing I took words (which could be found on the original 37 word roulette (table') from forum posts (in the order they were posted) to act as 'RANDOM' spin events ?
Could anyone then accuse me of cheating ? I didn't choose the 'spin' words myself, did I ?
YOU DID !!!!!
STEP 1.
I chose the First Set (37 words). I selected the following passage:
Lyrics Taken from "A Spoonful Of Sugar" from the Disney movie - "Mary Poppins" -------> Hey, that sounds familiar..
"RIGHT CHILDREN, LETS PLAY A GAME.."
- "THIS IS 'FUN' ISN'T IT Mary Poppins ?"
"WELL, THAT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW.."
"YOU SEE, IN EVERY JOB THAT MUST BE DONE, THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF FUN.."
BTW- THere are EXACTLY 37 words in the above passage !----------------------> Well that's LUCKY isn't it ?
STEP 2.
I arranged the 37 WORDS on my 'roulette' table / 'roulette' wheel. The ordering on the carpet was unimportant as the WORDS are unrelated, however as number roulette uses a CHRONOLOGICAL ASCENDING number pattern, I used an ALPHABETICAL ASCENDING word pattern.
STEP 3.
I fed words that matched those in the 37 word set into my 100% Winning roulette system from the posts in the thread on the forum. My system created the 38 spin cycle and calculated the 'bet' amounts.
STEP 4.
I converted the 'bet' amounts to a relevance percentage for the 37 words, and ran the 100% guaranteed roulette algorithm searching for a correlation.
STEP 5.
When the system returned a REPEATER word via the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle, I translated the completed cycle into a sentence, using Babs posts as seed 'EVENTS'..
The completed 37 WORD TRANSLATION WAS THIS : -
ALL THIS FUN GAME DEPENDS ON IS A VIEW. I SEE YOUR POINT THERE ! ISN'T IT THAT CHILDREN MUST BE IN PLAY, Mary Poppins ? AN ELEMENT OF EVERY JOB IS FUN, RIGHT ? WELL DONE, YOU !!! LET'S START..
BTW - MY ANSWER USED ALL THE EXACT SAME 37 WORDS and correctly mapped them in a grammatically correct sentence. Iit is also a PERFECT answer to Babs post.. (BOTH LOGICALLY AND GRAMMATICALLY).
GO AHEAD CHECK FOR YOURSELF !!!!!!!
:yahoo:
BUT, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!!!
The odds of this happening by 'CHANCE' are astronomical..
:yahoo:
A CHALLENGE FOR THE HATERS...
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT I AM LYING, I DARE YOU TO TRY AND REPLICATE THIS EXPERIMENT, GENIUS !
TRY TO MAP A 37 WORD PASSAGE CORRECTLY TO ANOTHER 37 WORD PASSAGE IN A GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT WAY..
MAKE SURE YOUR 37 WORD PASSAGE CORRECTLY ANSWERS A LIVE FORUM POST, BABS !!!!!!!!!
SHOULD BE EASY FOR ALL YOU 'EXPERTS' RIGHT ?
WELL COME ON THEN 'RANDOMNESS EXPERTS', IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT...
NOW ITS TIME FOR YOU TO 'PUT UP OR SHUT UP' !!!!!!!!
:yahoo:
Oh, BTW,
I had a PERFECT roulette system -----------------------> Mary Poppins is (Practically PERFECT in every way !)
I refer to believers as 'CHILDREN'------------------------> Mary Poppins (a nanny) looks after two CHILDREN
My teaching style has been called unconventional--------> Mary Poppins uses MANY unconventional magic 'methods'
The secret of my System is a mystery-------------------> Mary Poppins secrets remain a mystery.
My System appears to do the IMPOSSIBLE---------------> Mary Poppins does several IMPOSSIBLE stunts
I have INSPIRED MANY forum members-------------------> Mary Poppins INSPIRES the children in her care
Nah, Its ALL just a coincidence !!! ;D ;D ;D
Check Babs Original Post People...
Quote from: babs on May 09, 2009, 02:08:12 PM
I never thought that you should simply hand it over, and I do no expect you to do this. You did however start the thread and boasted about being a teacher and being willing to teach us to come to a better understanding of your system, and even learning to discover your system, through your teaching. It was my understanding that you will guide us on the path to finding the truth for ourselves. It started very promising, but now you give the impression that you were never serious about sharing your knowledge at all. I hope that you will return to your original purpose.
A lot of us took you very serious from the beginning and we even suggested that you continue your teaching in a more private area where only those who you choose could continue. Instead you dropped the ball by getting into useless ramblings with those who oppose your ideas. We even suggested running this via an email address (thereby bypassing the members on this forum who try to "suppress your ideas") The sad part is that you treated everybody on this forum the same way, the haters and the followers. Instead of teaching those who took you serious you submitted us to the same verbal gibberish. I am taking you very serious and I have no reason to doubt your claim, even if some experts claim it is impossible. I have stated in numerous posts that a huge number of impossibles have been proven possible in the past.
ok. I just hope it is not another verbal attack on those who do not believe you. I simply hope that you will take your promise seriously and give us something usefull to work with. That is all we are asking. In the beginning you gave us clues and you answered our questions honestly thereby giving us material to ponder and work with. If you never planned to continue this, then you lied when you told us that you are a teacher... then you are simply a boaster. I believe you want to teach us, otherwise you would not have posted in the first place. Again I beseech you: leave the useless verbal debates and teach. Quite a large number take you very seriously.
Are you being deliberately thick ? Look here Mary Poppins... :girl_wacko:
ALL THIS FUN GAME DEPENDS ON IS A VIEW. I SEE YOUR POINT THERE ! ISN'T IT THAT CHILDREN MUST BE IN PLAY, Mary Poppins ? AN ELEMENT OF EVERY JOB IS FUN, RIGHT ? WELL DONE, YOU !!! LET'S START..
:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
This will ALL make sense when you see the thread of my Roulette System Demo, Babs !!
Enjoy
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For 37 numbers to repeat themselves the probability is low .. astronomically.
Is he/she=it whatever, saying to simply bet the derived stream 37 spin as it was assembled by roulette itself !?!
As there simply ≈no chance for the roulette wheel to reproduce itself, repeating itself saying the fkcuing sentence. Someone once said roulette has no memory .. might be correct.
QuoteNow, using just one set of 37 RANDOM WORDS would be difficult enough, but supposing we added a 'CONTINUAL' SECOND data stream of random words (composed of the 37 original word 'VOCABULARY' data set) and fed them into a roulette table composed of the FIRST set (to act as our roulette 'SPIN' event) !
This acknowledges & defines the 37-cycle as ONE event only; in fact, goes as far as saying one EVENT = one SPIN. SPIN by SPIN the roulette randomizes its signature anew or =randonly resets itself anew.
For the new SEED to repeat itself ..
QuoteNow the 'CHANCES' of being able to do this are so high, that no computer in the world could POSSIBLY calculate the odds.
& a whole lot of camouflage.
Is anyone smart enough to rearrange the numbers in the way there's no repeat in the next SPIN?
Btw, I didn't choose the order so don't accuse me of cheating .. you-roulette did.
RIGHT
CHILDREN
LETS
PLAY
A
GAME
THIS
IS
FUN
ISNT
IT
Mary
Poppins
WELL
THAT
ALL
DEPENDS
ON
YOUR
POINT
OF
VIEW
YOU
SEE
IN
EVERY
JOB
THAT
MUST
BE
DONE
THERE
IS
AN
ELEMENT
OF
FUN
I copied the phrase into notepad, separated the words(one per line), pasted into a spreadsheet
and sorted the words alphabetically
Total of 4 words repeat
FUN
IS
OF
THAT
As first letter of each word
Seven letters did not appear (HKNQUXZ)
Nine letters others occurred once (BCGJLRSVW)
Five letters others occurred twice (DEFMY)
Five letters occurred multiple times (AIOPT)
Any ideas ?
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Alex, Please explain what the numbers within the red box represent
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Nov 02, 03:15 PM 2021
Alex, Please explain what the numbers within the red box represent
The position in the original table
Yes the position of the first 37...
The point of the exercise is .. is its ≈impossible, its just a derailment, & a sarcastic one .. the real point of value is made before that.
CHT relays:
"There are few issues that are misleading that Dyslexic posted that's mathematically incorrect.
The first is the application of PhP.
It's not the complete cycle of 37+1 spins to get a repeat that PhP is about.
It's about" x" spins that is lesser than 38 spins that use PhP principle to get a repeat. The larger value of "x" gives a higher confidence level vv.
The second is this misleading suggestion of 100% winning hermetically at 38spins.
This is not the application of PhP.
Independent trials means this is a stochastical model with uncertainty which is expressed probabilistically with confidence interval.
Third, PhP defines the probabilistic certainty of "x". By itself, it can be exploited but the edge is small.
To get the higher edge you have to define "x" with another math principle. That's not discussed on RRBB's thread.
That's why I conclude that Dyslexic does not have proper understanding of PhP and RRBB more likely does not know the complete solution.
Finally, since you guys are attempting to find a solution the first thing is to correct your understanding about "stitching". In the context of math, the current interpretation of "stitching" is wrong.
Second, the understanding about cycles is wrong. It's not about cycles per se but "PhP cycle", that is cycles with the application of PhP.
Thirdly, there's no such thing as a non-random game of independent trials. This is wrong.
For starters correct your current understanding of PhP which is wrong."
The way I see it is simply this.. bs
Feed the original 37 numbers (=words) into rng, to make you a new batch = derived stream.
Regarding rng generated words =numbers, the only question is =37-spins including repeats played, or using 37-marquee uniques as appeared skipping the repeats.
Rng its ≈incapable of doing =reproducing the thing all over again; some numbers ?must coincide.
There might be a detail to it of betting multiple su positions changed at each spin according with the current derived stream to bet:
eg. #26 B H E - all SUs matching the parameter,
it might be accompanied with other positions matchimg it as the guaard or laying off bets
eg: a combination of ... B H E, 3rd DZ, 2nd CL, 5th DS , Q?
But he clearly states,let the wheel randomize = choose for you the defining parameter.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 02, 03:30 PM 2021
The position in the original table
Quote from: alexlaf on Nov 02, 03:35 PM 2021
Yes the position of the first 37...
Ok, first (and last,if word appears more than once) position of the original
Quote from: TRD on Nov 02, 04:25 PM 2021
CHT relays:
"There are few issues that are misleading that Dyslexic posted that's mathematically incorrect.
The first is the application of PhP.
It's not the complete cycle of 37+1 spins to get a repeat that PhP is about.
It's about" x" spins that is lesser than 38 spins that use PhP principle to get a repeat. The larger value of "x" gives a higher confidence level vv.
The second is this misleading suggestion of 100% winning hermetically at 38spins.
This is not the application of PhP.
Independent trials means this is a stochastical model with uncertainty which is expressed probabilistically with confidence interval.
Third, PhP defines the probabilistic certainty of "x". By itself, it can be exploited but the edge is small.
To get the higher edge you have to define "x" with another math principle. That's not discussed on RRBB's thread.
That's why I conclude that Dyslexic does not have proper understanding of PhP and RRBB more likely does not know the complete solution.
Finally, since you guys are attempting to find a solution the first thing is to correct your understanding about "stitching". In the context of math, the current interpretation of "stitching" is wrong.
Second, the understanding about cycles is wrong. It's not about cycles per se but "PhP cycle", that is cycles with the application of PhP.
Thirdly, there's no such thing as a non-random game of independent trials. This is wrong.
For starters correct your current understanding of PhP which is wrong."
Nice summary jake,,giving you the thumbs up :thumbsup:
Quote from: TRD on Nov 02, 04:25 PM 2021
CHT relays:
"There are few issues that are misleading that Dyslexic posted that's mathematically incorrect.
The first is the application of PhP.
It's not the complete cycle of 37+1 spins to get a repeat that PhP is about.
It's about" x" spins that is lesser than 38 spins that use PhP principle to get a repeat. The larger value of "x" gives a higher confidence level vv.
The second is this misleading suggestion of 100% winning hermetically at 38spins.
This is not the application of PhP.
Independent trials means this is a stochastical model with uncertainty which is expressed probabilistically with confidence interval.
Third, PhP defines the probabilistic certainty of "x". By itself, it can be exploited but the edge is small.
To get the higher edge you have to define "x" with another math principle. That's not discussed on RRBB's thread.
That's why I conclude that Dyslexic does not have proper understanding of PhP and RRBB more likely does not know the complete solution.
Finally, since you guys are attempting to find a solution the first thing is to correct your understanding about "stitching". In the context of math, the current interpretation of "stitching" is wrong.
Second, the understanding about cycles is wrong. It's not about cycles per se but "PhP cycle", that is cycles with the application of PhP.
Thirdly, there's no such thing as a non-random game of independent trials. This is wrong.
For starters correct your current understanding of PhP which is wrong."
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So what is CHT saying ? Are we to ignore everything Dyksexlic has ever written ? Is he a fraud ? Which bits are worth following ?
Are we wasting our time trying to find a solution to his riddles ?
TRD , we are all waiting to be guided by CHT through you. Perhaps he could give us some guidance in the right direction. He seems to have a lot of knowledge of the subject.
Cheers.
Quote from: klw on Nov 02, 06:31 PM 2021
He seems to have a lot of knowledge of the subject.
Maybe if you want stock indicators. I prefer to learn from those actually doing what they speak of.
Quote from: Blueprint on Nov 03, 07:55 AM 2021Maybe if you want stock indicators. I prefer to learn from those actually doing what they speak of.
Totally agree Blueprint.
I am waiting for CHT to reply. After all he or someone he knows has done independent trials, so he must have the exact same model that Dyksexlic used for his system. It would save collectively hundreds of man hours if we are all wasting our time. So come on CHT help us out as the thread has ground to a halt.
Cheers.
Quote from: Blueprint on Nov 03, 07:55 AM 2021
Maybe if you want stock indicators. I prefer to learn from those actually doing what they speak of.
can you advise?
I've simply received that in inbox .. & posted it as soon as seen. Its up to CHT about that.
Quote from: Badger on Oct 29, 07:50 AM 20213 posts that I have of Dr Dyk
Thanks for the content Badger!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 29, 12:51 PM 2021
The first riddle is an ec bet with straight.
Hello MoneyT101...
Just wondering how you came to that conclusion??
When do I have (6 uniques AND minimal 3 friends) OR (repeats and minimal 3 friends)?
This is the only question in mind these days. I still wonder why...
Quote from: Blueprint on Nov 05, 08:37 AM 2021
When do I have (6 uniques AND minimal 3 friends) OR (repeats and minimal 3 friends)?
This is the only question in mind these days. I still wonder why...
20 H - friend unique
15 L - stranger unique
11 L - stranger unique
23 H - friend unique
1 L - stranger unique
1 L - stranger
repeat26 H - friend unique
8 L - stranger unique
32 H - friend unique
6 L - stranger unique
5 L - stranger unique
16 L - stranger unique
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 05, 09:32 AM 202126 H - friend unique
8 L - stranger unique
32 H - friend unique
6 L - stranger unique
5 L - stranger unique
16 L - stranger unique
3 friends?
Quote from: Blueprint on Nov 05, 11:22 AM 2021
3 friends?
The theory says you will have either 3 friends or 3 strangers….
Just cause I labeled it stranger shouldn’t matter we have 3 friends 6 uniques and we have 3 friends with repeats
Forget theory.
I read it as needing ... "AND minimal 3" friends with both repeats and uniques. Semantics, I guess.
I still don't get how this helps though.
is this Biased Wheel?
Quote from: Blueprint on Nov 05, 08:37 AM 2021
When do I have (6 uniques AND minimal 3 friends) OR (repeats and minimal 3 friends)?
This is the only question in mind these days. I still wonder why...
The question is, repeats of what? Maybe you need to consider other streams. When a line repeats, we can still have a unique straight friend.
I'm not really a fan of publicizing private messages and in-depth discussions, but there was a mention about two bets, so we probably need to consider more streams when we talk about friends & strangers.
Also, did you ever wonder why it works 66% of 6 spins, and why 6 uniques is a precondition? Maybe because 34% of straight cycles repeat within 6 spins, and 66% are longer than 6 spins?
Quote from: ati on Nov 07, 03:03 PM 2021
The question is, repeats of what? Maybe you need to consider other streams. When a line repeats, we can still have a unique straight friend.
I'm not really a fan of publicizing private messages and in-depth discussions, but there was a mention about two bets, so we probably need to consider more streams when we talk about friends & strangers.
Also, did you ever wonder why it works 66% of 6 spins, and why 6 uniques is a precondition? Maybe because 34% of straight cycles repeat within 6 spins, and 66% are longer than 6 spins?
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Quote from: ati on Nov 07, 03:03 PM 2021
The question is, repeats of what? Maybe you need to consider other streams. When a line repeats, we can still have a unique straight friend.
I'm not really a fan of publicizing private messages and in-depth discussions, but there was a mention about two bets, so we probably need to consider more streams when we talk about friends & strangers.
Also, did you ever wonder why it works 66% of 6 spins, and why 6 uniques is a precondition? Maybe because 34% of straight cycles repeat within 6 spins, and 66% are longer than 6 spins?
It’s all cardinals and ordinals.
Publicize whatever you want. If Pri ever finds proof, that will be published, too.
I know I will no longer put anyone on a pedestal. This is their own doing and the only proof right now is Pri is full of sh it.
QuoteI know I will no longer put anyone on a pedestal. This is their own doing and the only proof right now is Pri is full of sh it.
Quote from: ati on Nov 07, 03:03 PM 2021did you ever wonder why it works 66% of 6 spins, and why 6 uniques is a precondition? Maybe because 34% of straight cycles repeat within 6 spins, and 66% are longer than 6 spins?
Why wondering if i can wonder others on this forum?! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Blueprint on Nov 07, 07:26 PM 2021This is their own doing and the only proof right now is Pri is full of sh it.
"More you read, more iteractions you do"
Or something like this.
If "ph" sounds like "f" it's not their fault, btw.
All of them were writing about the same things.
You are the only one to decide if it was useful or not. So no need to blame others ( like i was blaming them). They don't own you anything, you will find a solution or you won't, they gave you the basics. Btw more then to others.
After years of searchibg i understood that i am more priveleged then those who had a chance to speak directly with pri, red or dyk. I am not limited with time to respond their messages to get mor info like all of you did!!! Most of you are selfish pieces of this world, that tryiyng to cheat to get the solution, and nobody denie you to STOP and think about what was written. Again, most of you demand that the solution is in those PMs, WHY???
Why should anyone share with unknown person the HG? They shared the way of reasoning!!! And I'm happy just with that one, even without a holly grail. You can't get the solution by cheating or "sharing" (not the correct word because this "sharing" is done only to obtain more info).
More info for what?? It was explicitly said that you can't win by guessing, so maybe you should STOP guessing. Just, maybe, all those posts were meant to "get rid of old habits ", like predicting or waiting.
You are stuck in finding solutions, guys.
While i am enjoying my life and new discoveries, without any HG.
Pri and RRBB are cowards. Pure and simple.
Take care and good luck.
Quote from: praline on Nov 08, 03:58 PM 2021
You are stuck in finding solutions, guys.
While i am enjoying my life and new discoveries, without any HG.
Realist post in a while but I am also a victim of this 😂
Quote from: Blueprint on Nov 08, 05:40 PM 2021
Pri and RRBB are cowards. Pure and simple.
Take care and good luck.
I do agree with praline tho… each one share the concepts in their own way. But none of them owe us anything.
No reason to be mad at them! The forum has evolved a lot because of their messages.
Really? It’s a cesspool.
I won’t waste another second here. Take good care.
6TH-SENSE:
Do i count that green box as a 6..?
Hi NOTTO;
Betting non-hit after 37 untill +net