I´ve seen the Fibonacci discussed again.
This is the ultimate way to win on nearly every chance on roulette. (It is not recommended for EC or Plein)
let´s explain it at Double Streets.
The last chance to win 1 unit is the 5th bet. 6th bet you were equal, 7th bet you were 1 unit down.
So we spread the Fibonacci by 5 steps.
1 1 1 1 1
If you lose this bet-row give it another chance
1 1 1 1 1
now we have to increase our bet to 2 units but we also increase our bet length to 10 steps
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
if we are not in Plus after this we increase size and length 3 units 15 steps
3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
and then
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
The rule is:
Follow the Fibonacci 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55
Take the last chance to win 1 unit
multiply both to get the betlength
for Doz or Col
1 1
1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
When you calculate this, you will see that you go far beyond the longest statistical miss of every chance.
The idea is: After every missing row there is the chance of a minimal equation.
This is nearly a win guarantee
very useful would be automation for roulette xtreme
Quote from: winkel on Feb 17, 09:18 AM 2022
for Doz or Col
1 1
1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
First of all, thanks for your time and help.
I have one question though. Let's say a dozen sleeps for 18 times in a row, then using the progression, you are -50 units. How do you recover then?
Can you be more specific?
And when you win, but you are 1 or 2 units down, do you keep playing the progression until you are in front, or you start for the very beginning?
Thx again!
Perm DS Bet on Prog Result BR max
13 3 1 1 -1 -1 -1
26 5 1 1 -1 -2 -1
26 5 1 1 -1 -3 -1
34 6 1 1 -1 -4 -1
28 5 1 2 -2 -6 -1
15 3 1 2 -2 -8 -1
16 3 1 2 -2 -10 -1
21 4 1 2 -2 -12 -1
28 5 1 3 -3 -15 -1
34 6 1 3 -3 -18 -1
24 4 1 3 -3 -21 -1
32 6 1 3 -3 -24 -1
10 2 1 3 -3 -27 -1
21 4 1 3 -3 -30 -1
18 3 1 5 -5 -35 -1
35 6 1 5 -5 -40 -1
12 2 1 5 -5 -45 -1
2 1 1 5 15 -30 -1
32 6 1 5 -5 -35 -1
10 2 1 5 -5 -40 -1
16 3 1 5 -5 -45 -1
10 2 1 5 -5 -50 -1
7 2 1 5 -5 -55 -1
18 3 1 5 -5 -60 -1
6 1 1 8 24 -36 -1
1 1 1 8 24 -12 -1
5 1 1 8 24 12 12
way to recover see example.
I win and I am still down 5 Units and next prog-step would be 89 units .... think about!
How many times do you have to lose to see that this is the wrong DS or the wrong table?
sorry the example is wrong I mixed DS and Doz up with the calculation
This Table is now on Doz and Doz-payout
This shows 6 win 23 spins
Perm DS Bet on Prog Result BR max
13 2 1 1 -1 -1 -1
26 3 1 1 -1 -2 -1
26 3 1 1 -1 -3 -1
34 3 1 1 -1 -4 -1
28 3 1 2 -2 -6 -1
15 2 1 2 -2 -8 -1
16 2 1 2 -2 -10 -1
21 2 1 2 -2 -12 -1
28 3 1 3 -3 -15 -1
34 3 1 3 -3 -18 -1
24 2 1 3 -3 -21 -1
32 3 1 3 -3 -24 -1
10 1 1 3 6 -18 -1
21 2 1 3 -3 -21 -1
18 2 1 5 -5 -26 -1
35 3 1 5 -5 -31 -1
12 1 1 5 10 -21 -1
2 1 1 5 10 -11 -1
32 3 1 5 -5 -16 -1
10 1 1 5 10 -6 -1
16 2 1 5 -5 -11 -1
10 1 1 5 10 -1 -1
7 1 1 5 10 9 9
That makes perfect sense. You are right, there is a very small chance to lose... Eventually
Thanks for explanation.
Can you please explain how to calculate the betting length? Not able to get you. Thanks
1 1 2 3 5 8 13
Betting Length = Units * 5
1 * 5 = 1 1 1 1 1
1 * 5 = 1 1 1 1 1
2 * 5 = 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
3 * 5 = 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
5 * 5 = 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
8 * 5 = 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
The above is for the line
Thx Azim
for Doz/ col last poss win flatbet spin 2
Line/Doublestreet 5
Quads 8
street 11
Not for EC (or at your own risc)
Not for Pleins / Splits (or at your own risc)
Hi Winkel,
aswesome! thank you for the tip
can you check if your progression can come ahead with this betting result (~ 500 bets )
Note: here are 14 numbers bet! --- Total bet = 14 units
--- Profit = 22 units
1 MISS
2 HIT
3 MISS
4 MISS
5 HIT
6 HIT
7 HIT
8 MISS
9 MISS
10 MISS
11 MISS
12 HIT
13 MISS
14 MISS
15 MISS
16 MISS
17 HIT
18 MISS
19 HIT
20 MISS
21 MISS
22 MISS
23 MISS
24 HIT
25 HIT
26 MISS
27 HIT
28 MISS
29 MISS
30 MISS
31 MISS
32 HIT
33 MISS
34 HIT
35 MISS
36 MISS
37 MISS
38 MISS
39 MISS
40 HIT
41 MISS
42 MISS
43 MISS
44 MISS
45 MISS
46 MISS
47 MISS
48 MISS
49 HIT
50 MISS
51 HIT
52 MISS
53 HIT
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55 MISS
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57 MISS
58 HIT
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62 MISS
63 MISS
64 HIT
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68 HIT
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74 HIT
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82 HIT
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89 HIT
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95 HIT
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101 HIT
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104 HIT
105 HIT
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110 MISS
111 MISS
112 HIT
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115 HIT
116 HIT
117 HIT
118 MISS
119 MISS
120 MISS
121 MISS
122 MISS
123 HIT
124 MISS
125 MISS
126 HIT
127 MISS
128 HIT
129 HIT
130 HIT
131 MISS
132 HIT
133 HIT
134 HIT
135 MISS
136 HIT
137 MISS
138 MISS
139 MISS
140 HIT
141 MISS
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143 MISS
144 HIT
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148 HIT
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150 HIT
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159 HIT
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175 HIT
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179 HIT
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185 HIT
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189 HIT
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194 HIT
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202 HIT
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212 HIT
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219 HIT
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222 HIT
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224 HIT
225 MISS
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233 HIT
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237 HIT
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258 HIT
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263 HIT
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271 HIT
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275 MISS
276 HIT
277 HIT
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285 HIT
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291 HIT
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310 HIT
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399 HIT
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466 HIT
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473 HIT
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477 HIT
478 HIT
479 MISS
480 HIT
481 HIT
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483 MISS
484 HIT
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486 MISS
487 HIT
488 MISS
489 MISS
490 HIT
491 HIT
492 MISS
493 MISS
494 MISS
495 MISS
496 HIT
497 MISS
498 HIT
I think the idea is to stay on the progression until in plus or break even. Will test. Thanks Winkel!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 19, 03:32 AM 2022
Hi Winkel,
aswesome! thank you for the tip
can you check if your progression can come ahead with this betting result (~ 500 bets )
Note: here are 14 numbers bet! --- Total bet = 14 units
--- Profit = 22 units
1 MISS
2 HIT
3 MISS
4 MISS
5 HIT
6 HIT
7 HIT
8 MISS
9 MISS
10 MISS
11 MISS
12 HIT
13 MISS
14 MISS
15 MISS
16 MISS
17 HIT
18 MISS
19 HIT
20 MISS
21 MISS
22 MISS
23 MISS
24 HIT
25 HIT
26 MISS
27 HIT
28 MISS
29 MISS
30 MISS
31 MISS
32 HIT
33 MISS
34 HIT
35 MISS
36 MISS
37 MISS
38 MISS
39 MISS
40 HIT
41 MISS
42 MISS
43 MISS
44 MISS
45 MISS
46 MISS
47 MISS
48 MISS
49 HIT
50 MISS
51 HIT
52 MISS
53 HIT
54 MISS
55 MISS
56 MISS
57 MISS
58 HIT
59 MISS
60 MISS
61 MISS
62 MISS
63 MISS
64 HIT
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67 MISS
68 HIT
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81 MISS
82 HIT
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112 HIT
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280 MISS
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284 MISS
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386 HIT
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388 HIT
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391 MISS
392 HIT
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395 HIT
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484 HIT
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487 HIT
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490 HIT
491 HIT
492 MISS
493 MISS
494 MISS
495 MISS
496 HIT
497 MISS
498 HIT
From your calculations, looks like a straight-up number bet.
Winkel has said no straight up, splits or even chance bets
I think we can make this progression even more stable by incorporating virtual win/wins after consecutive losses.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 19, 06:06 AM 2022
From your calculations, looks like a straight-up number bet.
Winkel has said no straight up, splits or even chance bets
Yes these are straight numbers
But why can’t we use the Progression proposed by Winkel ? I don’t get it, straight numbers have the best odds !
Quote from: mohitomish on Feb 19, 06:41 AM 2022
I think we can make this progression even more stable by incorporating virtual win/wins after consecutive losses.
Why do you wanna make a nearly always winning progression "more stable"?
Of course it will have losing streaks. If the chance you are playing is underrated (e.g. longest losing streak ever watched) an it stays underrated which means there is no turn to an equation.
possible ways to select:
DS:
bet the last
bet against the last
bet the last before last
bet against the last before last
bet only the first DS (2.; 3.; and so on.)
don´t bet Ds1 Ds2 Ds3 Ds4 Ds5 Ds6
When the bet-size is increasing and the gap of underrating is also increasing you can change your selection to another Ds
@Winkel,
spielst du roulette online?
How would you handle this scenario, this is from real spin and very much possible for any bet selection playing dozens
lll lll w lll w lw lll lll lll lw lw lll
This progression won't survive this
You won 5 out of 28 bets, which is around 0.17 (half the standard probability of 0.33), so I guess there is no system to win this bet selection.
Quote from: Serendipity on Feb 22, 05:55 AM 2022
You won 5 out of 28 bets, which is around 0.17 (half the standard probability of 0.33), so I guess there is no system to win this bet selection.
you're right! look at this simulation.. (both system use 12 numbers bet )
HIT MISS STDEV
System_1 36 64 0,5625
System_2 31 71 0,4366
what do you think about the above result? system_1 can win without progression while system_2 can't...
do you think the fibbonaci progression can work here?????
Although both systems outpeform !!
Quote from: mohitomish on Feb 22, 04:37 AM 2022
How would you handle this scenario, this is from real spin and very much possible for any bet selection playing dozens
lll lll w lll w lw lll lll lll lw lw lll
This progression won't survive this
It is a losing HG. My first test was also -400 units.
Dozens Bet:
1 1
1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
This is 2+2+4+6+10+16 total 40 bets.
Actually you could go and say : Look L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L THIS SYSTEM LOST THIS BET1
Crazy people here!
(Fibo-stage) (Nr. of bets)
1 2
1 2
2 4
3 6
5 10
8 16
13 26
21 42
34 68
55 110
89 178
144 288
233 466
377 754 (depends on table-limit)
610 1220 (depends on table-limit)
up to bet stage 233 you can bet 1218 spins
Who can tell me that in this range never ever would be a streak with wins that that form a nearly euation of 1/3rd for a doz.
for example betting on street
this is the way and idea of this prolonged way to bet: survive all missing streaks
Coup PMZ TvP Spiel TvP Prog Eins Gewinn GuV Saldo max
1 31 11 6 1 -1 0 -1 -1 -1
2 34 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 -2 -1
3 19 7 6 1 -1 0 -1 -3 -1
4 26 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 -4 -1
5 31 11 6 1 -1 0 -1 -5 -1
6 36 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 -6 -1
7 17 6 6 1 -1 12 11 5 5
8 26 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 4 5
9 26 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 3 5
10 29 10 6 1 -1 0 -1 2 5
11 15 5 6 1 -1 0 -1 1 5
12 25 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 0 5
13 34 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 -1 5
14 1 1 6 1 -1 0 -1 -2 5
15 17 6 6 1 -1 12 11 9 9
16 22 8 6 1 -1 0 -1 8 9
17 7 3 6 1 -1 0 -1 7 9
18 36 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 6 9
19 7 3 6 1 -1 0 -1 5 9
20 11 4 6 1 -1 0 -1 4 9
21 2 1 6 1 -1 0 -1 3 9
22 20 7 6 1 -1 0 -1 2 9
23 24 8 6 1 -1 0 -1 1 9
24 30 10 6 1 -1 0 -1 0 9
25 25 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 -1 9
26 4 2 6 1 -1 0 -1 -2 9
27 23 8 6 1 -1 0 -1 -3 9
28 7 3 6 1 -1 0 -1 -4 9
29 11 4 6 1 -1 0 -1 -5 9
30 6 2 6 1 -1 0 -1 -6 9
31 32 11 6 1 -1 0 -1 -7 9
32 17 6 6 1 -1 12 11 4 9
33 10 4 6 1 -1 0 -1 3 9
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-54 9
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Quote from: winkel on Feb 22, 04:04 PM 2022
Dozens Bet:
1 1
1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
This is 2+2+4+6+10+16 total 40 bets.
Actually you could go and say : Look L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L THIS SYSTEM LOST THIS BET1
Crazy people here!
(Fibo-stage) (Nr. of bets)
1 2
1 2
2 4
3 6
5 10
8 16
13 26
21 42
34 68
55 110
89 178
144 288
233 466
377 754 (depends on table-limit)
610 1220 (depends on table-limit)
up to bet stage 233 you can bet 1218 spins
Who can tell me that in this range never ever would be a streak with wins that that form a nearly euation of 1/3rd for a doz.
Okay but the progression should be practical not just theoretical.
Winkel is right. If you come with a bet selection that gives you 3 wins out of 30 spins, you can never even think you can be in front. It's impossible. But in the long run, you'd be in front, of course with discipline and a good money management.
Winkel,
What Progression should we use if we want to bet on two streets per round ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 02:26 AM 2022
I was excited about it, but when you just mentioned the word „progression“ my excitement vanished
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 03:08 AM 2022fact is, before you start tweaking any progression, you need to make sure that the bet selections is very solid! this can be verified by checking the performance of the system using flat bets!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 03:08 AM 2022So, if flat betting is long term negative, then progressions must be, too.
So you post the above discrediting progression on my thread and then here you are sucking up to winkel for a suitable progression to use with his method.
:xd: :twisted: :twisted: :xd: :o ....What a douche.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 04:19 AM 2022
Winkel,
What Progression should we use if we want to bet on two streets per round ?
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 23, 04:29 AM 2022
So you post the above discrediting progression on my thread and then here you are sucking up to winkel for a suitable progression to use with his method.
:xd: :twisted: :twisted: :xd: :o ....What a douche.
No my friend !
I would like to prove to everyone that progressions are bad !
I wanted to run a simulation test with 1 million spin and show it here !
That’s why I asked for the Progression
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 04:19 AM 2022
Winkel,
What Progression should we use if we want to bet on two streets per round ?
It´s easy to calculate:
Which is the spin flatbet 1 unit, you could gain a win?
With 2 Streets it is spin 5: Bet 10 poss win 12
so the prolongation/Multiplikator of the Fibonacci is 5
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 04:58 AM 2022
No my friend !
I would like to prove to everyone that progressions are bad !
I wanted to run a simulation test with 1 million spin and show it here !
That’s why I asked for the Progression
You got it totally wrong. this is no negative Progression and no positive progression it is a combination. A bet variant.
The idea is to survive the longest sleeper without touching the table-limit.
create win when the sleeper come back to its average win-rate.
Testing 1 million spins is for idiots.
The idea is based on gamblers intelligence.
If I start betting a chance and I see it is sleeping to long, I just change to a "not slepping" transporting the bet-size and regain the losses.
Take a bet-selection run it over 1million spins an wank when it has lost.
Quote from: mohitomish on Feb 22, 05:53 PM 2022
Okay but the progression should be practical not just theoretical.
this is a practical betvariant. But not for people who think they can beat the 1million units of the casino with a bankroll of 10 units.
@Winkel
sorry but no progression! i always want to play safe - this chart is ONLY FLAT BETS!
Thanks anyway for your contribution,
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 02:21 PM 2022
@Winkel
sorry but no progression! i always want to play safe - this chart is ONLY FLAT BETS!
Thanks anyway for your contribution,
What system are you using?
Always nice to read original ideas. Thanks.