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Title: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 21, 06:55 AM 2022
I will share a good system. It will take some time. Stay if you're interested or leave if you're not.

This system targets repeaters with focus on 'numerical finales'. More to that, it also focuses on 'numerological base numbers'.

Hey, that's why I posted in "Outside The Box".

Finales:
0,10,20,30
1,11,21,31
2,12,22,32
3,13,23,33
4,14,24,34
5,15,25,35
6,16,26,36
7,17,27
8,18,28
9,19,29

Numerology Base Numbers:
1,10,28,19
2,11,20,29
3,12,21,30
4,13,22,31
5,14,23,32
6,15,24,33
7,16,25,34
8,17,26,35
9,18,27,36
0
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: algojack on Feb 21, 10:08 AM 2022
I' m interested.

QuoteI will share a good system.

What do you mean by "good"? How much have you tested it and what were the results?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: poluvolo on Feb 21, 10:54 AM 2022
i am serious interest
try to do your best about explanations
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: alexlaf on Feb 21, 12:44 PM 2022
+1
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: number25 on Feb 21, 04:30 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 21, 06:55 AM 2022
I will share a good system. It will take some time. Stay if you're interested or leave if you're not.

This system targets repeaters with focus on 'numerical finales'. More to that, it also focuses on 'numerological base numbers'.

Hey, that's why I posted in "Outside The Box".

Finales:
0,10,20,30
1,11,21,31
2,12,22,32
3,13,23,33
4,14,24,34
5,15,25,35
6,16,26,36
7,17,27
8,18,28
9,19,29

Numerology Base Numbers:
1,10,28,19
2,11,20,29
3,12,21,30
4,13,22,31
5,14,23,32
6,15,24,33
7,16,25,34
8,17,26,35
9,18,27,36
0
Amazing things can happen with these numbers!   Let's see how you make them come alive! 
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 21, 06:39 PM 2022
Quote from: algojack on Feb 21, 10:08 AM 2022What do you mean by "good"? How much have you tested it and what were the results?

It's good because once you get started you always have a bet on the table. You could be betting anywhere between 3 &16 numbers.

It's a high action system with an interesting mix of bets. No waiting around for hours before playing.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 21, 07:44 PM 2022
Only numbers 10 through 36 qualify as triggers.

Ignoring 0, look back no further than 5 spins for any new trigger.

Always a rolling search for newest trigger.

Always bet on most recent Finale repeat and or any numerology Base number repeat, or blending of the two.

This can mean 2, 3, or 4 single numbers are used to compile the whole bet.

The current bet is repeated continuously until a new trigger shows, then the bet is switched for every new trigger.



Include Finales & Bases for each bet.


Finale Example: 14,8,17,21,0,24. Repeat finale 4.(14,24)

14 base is 5, 24 base is 6.

Whole bet is (4,5,6),14,15,16,24,25,26,34,35,36



Base Example: 6,12,27,11,36. Repeat Base 9.(27,36)

27 is Finale 7, 36 is Finale 6.

Whole bet is (6,7,9),16,17,19,26,27,29,36



Blend Example: 5,6,12,27,11. Repeat Blend (12,11)

12 is Finale 2 Base 3. 11 is Finale 1 Base 2. The repeat is Finale 2/Base 2

Whole bet is (1,2,3),11,12,13,21,22,23,31,32,33



Both Example: 34,6,10,12,30. Repeat Finale 0 (10,30)

                         Repeat Base 3   (12,30)

10 is Finale 0 Base 1, 30 is Finale 0 Base 3
12 is Finale 2 Base 3, 30 is Finale 0 Base 3

Whole bet is, (0,1,2,3),10,11,12,13,20,21,22,23,30,31,32,33.


Two number Example: 19,0,14,0,7,7,19. Two number Repeat 19. (19,19)
 
19 is Finale 9 Base 1

Whole bet is (1,9),11,19,21,29

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 21, 08:21 PM 2022
Dominant Even Chance Filter.


Always place chips on 0 when included in a whole bet. For obvious reasons it is exempt from the EC filter.

Before betting on the most recent trigger, and ignoring 0 check last 5 spins for dominant ECs.

5 of same EC is most dominant.

Any ECs with 4 are next most dominant.

5 wins over 4.

From the whole bet only wager on those within the Dominant EC group or groups.


Example: 14,8,17,21,0,24. Repeat finale 4.(14,24)

14 base is 5, 24 base is 6.

Whole bet is (4,5,6),14,15,16,24,25,26,34,35,36

No dominant EC

Wager whole bet 4,5,6,14,15,16,24,25,26,34,35,36


Example: 15,13,19,4,31. Base repeat 4.(13,31)

13 is Finale 3, 31 is Finale 1.

Whole bet is (1,3,4),11,13,14,21,23,24,31,33,34

Dominant EC's, Black & Odd (4 each)

Wager only 1,3,4,11,13,21,23,24,31,33 Omit 14,34


Example: 16,3,21,5,12. Repeat Base 3 (21,12)

12 is Finale 2 Base 3, 21 is Finale 1 Base 3

Whole bet is (1,2,3),11,12,13,21,22,23,31,32,33

Dominant EC, Red. (5 Reds)

Wager only 1,3,12,21,23,32. Omit 2,11,13,22,31,33


On occasion an omitted number will show. When this happens add in the omitted numbers and

play the rest of the current game using the whole bets ignoring the EC filter.

The current game ends with new bankroll high, or progression completion. Yes, the system uses a progression.

Any new game started includes the dominant EC filtering once again.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 22, 02:21 AM 2022
I will leave it here for now.

I have shared enough for people to play around with or tweak to their own designs.

If there is enough interest I will post my progression and money management component for the system.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 02:26 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 22, 02:21 AM 2022
I will leave it here for now.

I have shared enough for people to play around with or tweak to their own designs.

If there is enough interest I will post my progression and money management component for the system.

I was excited about it,  but when you just mentioned the word „progression“ my excitement vanished
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 22, 02:45 AM 2022
That's ok, on the whole progressions are not popular, and the debate as to their worth has been going on forever.

I have always maintained that there is no advantage flat betting over progression betting.

Drawdowns can increase with progressions,but so can profits.

Take this simple example,

You bet 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1. You lose. You lost 20 units over 20 bets.

I bet, 1,1,2,3,5,8. I lose. I lost 20 units over 6 bets.

Your possible win gain was never more than 35 units. My possible win gain peaked at 268 units.

But we both lost this time.

In my opinion we both wagered and lost a flat bet of 20 units.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: poluvolo on Feb 22, 03:01 AM 2022
Firstly thanks for sharing your method
How many bets after each trigger?
what kind of progression?   +1,-1 for example?
Which of these different variations has the better results?
stoploss?

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 03:08 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 22, 02:45 AM 2022
That's ok, on the whole progressions are not popular, and the debate as to their worth has been going on forever.

I have always maintained that there is no advantage flat betting over progression betting.

Drawdowns can increase with progressions,but so can profits.

Take this simple example,

You bet 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1. You lose. You lost 20 units over 20 bets.

I bet, 1,1,2,3,5,8. I lose. I lost 20 units over 6 bets.

Your possible win gain was never more than 35 units. My possible win gain peaked at 268 units.

But we both lost this time.

In my opinion we both wagered and lost a flat bet of 20 units.


In the long run, any progression is simply a set of many different levels of flat bets.

So, if flat betting is long term negative, then progressions must be, too.

Since the underlying odds per decision never change, a large bet has just as much chance to lose as a small bet, so the actual amount of the bet doesn’t matter in the long run; the wins and losses will all cancel out anyway.

i have a system that is based on dealer signature ( see chart) in the first half of spins it is apparently clear that the dealers weren't consistent, the situation changed dramatically in the second half of spins..

fact is, before you start tweaking any progression, you need to make sure that the bet selections is very solid! this can be verified by checking the performance of the system using flat bets!



Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 22, 04:53 AM 2022
Quote from: poluvolo on Feb 22, 03:01 AM 2022
How many bets after each trigger?
what kind of progression?   +1,-1 for example?
Which of these different variations has the better results?
stoploss?

Bets continue non-stop. Keep betting the numbers only changing to new numbers with new triggers.

Win goals and stop losses are not my thing. People can learn the system if interested, then apply their own.

Having said that, soon I will post some played sessions from Rsim. I would use MPR but it's too f*cked up. Most but not all of the sessions I will end at around 100 units profit.

Only reason for this is time constraints. I don't get a lot of time to sit around playing for fun with fun money.

I will play and share sessions on Rsim when I can to show the system in action. I might even share the sessions before disclosing the progression and let people try work out what I'm doing. Could be fun.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 22, 05:04 AM 2022

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 03:08 AM 2022In the long run, any progression is simply a set of many different levels of flat bets.

So, if flat betting is long term negative, then progressions must be, too.

Like many others, you are mistaken. But that's fine. Let's agree to disagree on the flat bet V progression debate. At least we agree that both flat bet & progression are simply a set of many different levels of flat bets.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Klausy on Feb 22, 07:44 AM 2022
Another new progression system. All those years trying to find a system that works.

Maybe time to take up another hobby.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 22, 02:55 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 21, 06:55 AM 2022Stay if you're interested or leave if you're not.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: mohitomish on Feb 23, 06:26 AM 2022
The basic idea behind this hot repeaters correct?  So for example we can adapt this to dozens play

SUppose in last 3 spins it came as doz 112, color  red ,red , black
So here we can play red numbers in doz 1 as both red and doz 1 are dominants here?

Also please share the progression u r using, thanks
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 23, 05:38 PM 2022
Basically yes, but not quite the same. As far as the even chances go, yes I favour the 'hot' repeaters to filter the bets.

The numbers are selected from the 'most recent' repeater, not the hot repeaters. They can always change spin by spin to the new 'most recent' repeater.

Also, there is nothing outside the box in your take on the system. Good luck with trying it this way though.

I am reluctant to share the progression for now. Before deciding I will probably post Rsim sessions and let people figure it out themselves for a while.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 23, 06:25 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 23, 05:38 PM 2022Before deciding I will probably post Rsim sessions and let people figure it out themselves for a while.
Wow, you've turned in to the chief Riddler.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 23, 07:30 PM 2022
Thanks Notto, Hopefully I can do a better job than the other riddler.  ^-^

My progression is also a little bit outside the box. Although easy enough to use, it will be difficult to explain so I'm going to think about it for a while.

Maybe just watching for a while might help for when I try?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: poluvolo on Feb 24, 05:05 AM 2022
which is the recomented bankroll if betting with 1 euro unit value?
how many spins average of course until make 100 units net profit?
i think its worth testing
THANKS AGAIN
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 24, 06:28 PM 2022
Quote from: poluvolo on Feb 24, 05:05 AM 2022which is the recomented bankroll if betting with 1 euro unit value?
how many spins average of course until make 100 units net profit?

I use 5000 unit bankroll, but rarely need more than 1500.  Usually a few hundred units is enough and many sessions less than 100.

Average spins for 100 units profit is around 42.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: poluvolo on Feb 25, 12:09 AM 2022
ok now we are waiting for your post about mm and  then start testing
then we can make our decisions about stop loss, bankroll, e.t.c
but... because i am not newbie about finales  i think that requirement bankroll will be less.. because
after few test ... recovery not bad at all................
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 04:02 AM 2022
I tried to post a youtube video of the system examples but keep getting a blocked message saying I'm using forbidden language.

I Tried to message Steve to see what the problem is but it seems my messages don't go through??

I was hoping to share the working system by video but have hit a road block.
I will now stop sharing until I here from Steve as to what gives??

If Steve doesn't get back to me then you guys can do what you want with what I've shared here so far, and I will take anything more elsewhere.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 25, 04:13 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 25, 04:02 AM 2022
I tried to post a youtube video of the system examples but keep getting a blocked message saying I'm using forbidden language.

I Tried to message Steve to see what the problem is but it seems my messages don't go through??

I was hoping to share the working system by video but have hit a road block.
I will now stop sharing until I here from Steve as to what gives??

If Steve doesn't get back to me then you guys can do what you want with what I've shared here so far, and I will take anything more elsewhere.

ok, your message has been received!!
so lets talk business... and from the end, how much you want? :lol:
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 07:11 AM 2022
Here is a screen shot of the stupid message I get when trying to share my video..

If you want to watch, type the link into your browser. That's the best I can do given Steve's stupid forum editor.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 07:20 AM 2022
ok, try this..open the notepad document and paste the youtube link into you browser.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 07:23 AM 2022
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Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 07:41 AM 2022
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 25, 04:13 AM 2022
ok, your message has been received!!
so lets talk business... and from the end, how much you want? :lol:

I want you to fuck off, how about that?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 07:43 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 25, 07:41 AM 2022
I want you to fuck off, how about that?

See, no message about forbidden words there.

What a fuckingloadof shit.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 25, 08:55 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 25, 07:41 AM 2022I want you to fuck off, how about that?

Loser, don't piss me off... either you share or DO NOT POST

don't tease the poor people!!!
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: algojack on Feb 25, 09:36 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 25, 04:02 AM 2022I Tried to message Steve to see what the problem is but it seems my messages don't go through??

I was hoping to share the working system by video but have hit a road block.
I will now stop sharing until I here from Steve as to what gives??

I had the same problem a while ago. Steve said this:

QuoteNo clickable links are allowed by anyone. It's the only way to stop tonnes of spam.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Mister Eko on Feb 25, 11:47 AM 2022
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 25, 08:55 AM 2022
Loser, don't piss me off... either you share or DO NOT POST

don't tease the poor people!!!

Bro chill down he wanted to share just not allowed the forum. He uploaded the link in text. In video he has no voice unfortunately silent video.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 25, 01:22 PM 2022
EKO
You should know by now Bleatter is a troll. See Taotie is taking the bait; he don't like when somone else give it to him
Troll V Troll
A pair of cnuts
Like that Taotie/Bleatter
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 05:21 PM 2022
Quote from: algojack on Feb 25, 09:36 AM 2022I had the same problem a while ago. Steve said this:

Quote
No clickable links are allowed by anyone. It's the only way to stop tonnes of spam.

Thanks algojack, that makes sense. I'll just post the links in text file.

Cheers.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 25, 01:22 PM 2022EKO
You should know by now Bleatter is a troll. See Taotie is taking the bait; he don't like when somone else give it to him
Troll V Troll
A pair of cnuts
Like that Taotie/Bleatter
No bait taken notto, just stirring up the bleater.

I wasn't being serious he can stay, but you can fuck off!  haha..
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 25, 05:52 PM 2022
Anyway getting back to the system and leaving bleater & notto to themselves, I watched the video again and spotted 4 mistakes in the tracking. I also misspelt continuously, thanks to the grammar nazi for pointing that out in the comments, lol.

I will make some more videos soon and check them thoroughly for errors before uploading next time.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 26, 12:31 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 22, 04:53 AM 2022Having said that, soon I will post some played sessions from Rsim.
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 22, 04:53 AM 2022Most but not all of the sessions I will end at around 100 units profit.
Taotie, another Riddler said something similar. Denzie.
Here's what he said.
Lol. I'll go for 100 sessions and post my chart. Why ? Just to show others that's its possible to win EACH session and not to give up or listen to the dumb naysayers ( who obviously don't know what they're talking about).
Base =1u
Wingoal 100u/session

Den still has not posted the 100 session chart.
No doubt you'll not be posting one either.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 26, 05:59 PM 2022
Snotto, I don't have a problem with naysayers. I have a problem with contentious little twits like you, always popping your ugly head in other peoples business.

There is no reason for you to post here at all, other than to be a bothersome nuisance.

If I don't continue to share the system it will be because I know people like you are watching from the shadows.

For others, I've already written out much of the progression, but am currently away from home in my mountains cottage for a short break. When I return home I'll think about how to share more without little twits like snotto being involved.

Anyway, from the start I said this is a good system. I did not say it's a HG, so all the naysayers can relax.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Mister Eko on Feb 26, 06:15 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 26, 05:59 PM 2022
Snotto, I don't have a problem with naysayers. I have a problem with contentious little twits like you, always popping your ugly head in other peoples business.

There is no reason for you to post here at all, other than to be a bothersome nuisance.

If I don't continue to share the system it will be because I know people like you are watching from the shadows.

For others, I've already written out much of the progression, but am currently away from home in my mountains cottage for a short break. When I return home I'll think about how to share more without little twits like snotto being involved.

Anyway, from the start I said this is a good system. I did not say it's a HG, so all the naysayers can relax.

Bro. I am not in the group of nysyrs, just something. And that's for all forum members too.

When someone says good system. What does it mean exactly? He is winning sometimes, but losing sometimes, in the end profitable? In long run? Then he has a HG. Or at the end losing more then win? Then it is losing HG.

There is two kind of systems/methods/strategies.

1. HG
2. LOSING HG.

There is no good system, sometimes win, sometiems lose, quet decent method etc. Just  the two above.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 26, 07:24 PM 2022
Bombus, oops Taotie; how many other aka do you have? probably as many as the general.
Anyway you keep on riddling, leading them up the garden path. That's something you are good at
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 26, 07:27 PM 2022
Mister Eko

Well I haven't tested 1 million spins 4 times over and it does use a progression so I can't claim HG status.

Having said that, I haven't lost a bankroll yet, so....

I'm also currently manually playing 10,000 spins (uploaded by The General) flat betting just to see what happens. It will take some time because I've got a busy life outside roulette.

I've only played  21 sessions on Rsim, all winners but that doesn't mean much. I'm not used to Rsim so keep making little mistakes which would be misleading for someone watching. Eventually I'll post some of those sessions that are error free.


Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 26, 07:41 PM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 26, 07:24 PM 2022
Bombus, oops Taotie; how many other aka do you have?

Bombus
Taotie
Trilobite
Skakus_______________retired
Greenguy____________retired       
Marshall Bing Bell____retired

Marshall Bing Bell was funny. Had a lot of  laughs with that one.


Hey I've shared the bet selection process in a way that people can understand. Unlike your unintelligible dribble that leaves everyone scratching their heads.

If you tried to use your brain you might even be able to toss it around and come up with your own money management. No need to wait for riddlers.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 26, 07:55 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 26, 07:27 PM 2022I've only played  22 sessions on Rsim, all winners but that doesn't mean much.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: algojack on Feb 27, 04:16 AM 2022
Thanks Taotie for your efforts.

Folks, Bombus has been around for a long time (since the old VLS forum days) and knows how to create good systems. He hasn't posted a system in full detail for a long time, so you should be grateful that he's been kind enough to do so now. His systems are usually quite complex, but in my experience they are worth making the effort to understand and apply.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 27, 09:42 AM 2022
did you forget something
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 27, 05:31 PM 2022
Thanks algojack, for your kind words.

Notto, you're an idiot. I was going to post the billionloudspeak account once I stopped making silly mistakes.
Almost all of those 22 sessions contain errors, so they could be misleading for people trying to figure out the system correctly.

Oh well, once an idiot always an idiot..
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 27, 05:58 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 27, 05:31 PM 2022
Thanks algojack, for your kind words.

Notto, you're an idiot. I was going to post the billionloudspeak account once I stopped making silly mistakes.
Almost all of those 22 sessions contain errors, so they could be misleading for people trying to figure out the system correctly.

Oh well, once an idiot always an idiot..

It was a public account, now it's set to private until I'M ready to share it, not some twit.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 28, 02:58 AM 2022
Progression & Money Management.

Progression Stage 1.

1/2a
2b/4a
4b/10

Max Drawdowns:

1 = 35
2 = 71
4 = 143
10 = 359


In this stage change the bet on every new trigger.

In this stage if at any time adding in omitted numbers, turn off the EC filter until new bankroll high, or any win on 4b/10 level, because that ends the stage, or progression bust.
After which, turn EC filter back on for next stage.


Level 1, Bet 1 unit until the next bet would make the current drawdown 36 or more units.


Example: current dd for level 1 is 24 units, next bet is 1,2,3,11,12,13,21,22,23,31,32,33. Bet is 12 units

If bet that would bring the current dd for level 1 to 36 units (above max), so up the bet to level 2a (2 units).

Disregard the 24 units dd from level 1. Bankroll in minus 24 units.


Level 2a, Bet 2 units until the next bet would make the current drawdown 72 or more units.


We are now betting 2 units from level 2a. Bet is 24 units.

Skip ahead, current dd for level 2a is 56 units, next bet is 7,9,17,19,27,29. Bet is 12 units.

If bet that would bring the current dd for level 2a to 68 units (under max). Place bet.

Next bet level 2a is 6,7,8,16,17,18,26,27,28,36. Bet is 20 units.

If bet that would bring the current dd for level 2a to 88 units (above max), so up the bet to level 2b (2 units).

Disregard the 68 units dd from level 2a. Bankroll in minus 92 units.


Level 2b, Bet 2 units until the next bet would make the current drawdown 72 or more units.


We are now betting 2 units from level 2b. Bet is 20 units.

Skip ahead, current dd for level 2b is 56 units, next bet is 4,5,6,14,15,16,24,25,26,34,35,36. Bet is 24 units.

If bet that would bring the current dd for level 2b to 80 units (above max), so up the bet to level 4a (4 units).

Disregard the 56 units dd from level 2b. Bankroll in minus 148 units.


Level 4a, Bet 4 units until the next bet would make the current drawdown 144 or more units.


We are now betting 4 units from level 4a. Bet is 48 units.

Skip ahead, current dd for level 4a is 140 units, next bet is 0,3,10,13,20,23,30,33. Bet is 32 units.

If bet that would bring the current dd for level 4a to 172 units (above max), so up the bet to level 4b (4 units).

Disregard the 140 units dd from level 4a. Bankroll in minus 288 units.


Level 4b, Bet 4 units until the next bet would make the current drawdown 144 or more units.


We are now betting 4 units from level 4b. Bet is 32 units.

Skip ahead, current dd for level 4b is 100 units, next bet is 3,4,5,13,14,15,23,24,25,33,34,35. Bet is 48 units.

If bet that would bring the current dd for level 4b to 148 units (above max), so up the bet to level 10 (10 units).

Disregard the 100 units dd from level 4b. Bankroll in minus 388 units.


Level 10, Bet 10 units until the next bet would make the current drawdown 360 or more units.


We are now betting 10 units from level 10. Bet is 120 units.

Skip ahead, current dd for level 10 is 240 units, next bet is 3,4,5,13,14,15,23,24,25,33,34,35. Bet is 120 units.

If bet that would bring the current dd for level 10 to 360 units (above max). Progression bust. Up the bet to stage 2.

Disregard the 240 units dd from level 10. Bankroll in minus 628 units.


This scenario is a not common but typical 'stage' progression bust without any winners.


I will follow this up with a similar 'stage' progression bust, next time with some winners.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Feb 28, 04:24 AM 2022

There is still a ways to go, but so far I have put in a fair bit of effort to share what could turn out to be a valuable bit of kit for all you random strangers out there. So far I've have had 1 like, 1 jizz, and 2 fingers, and very little else.

C'mon, surely I at least deserve more jizz & fingers?  :twisted:

Much of the system has been laid out here in the public arena, but there are 5 more progression 'stages'.

Also, how to proceed after a mid stage win with an unresolved dd, and when to change triggers in advanced 'stages'  remains untold.

I'm going to contemplate all the jizz & fingers for a while.

Maybe the best thing would be to introduce the idiom, "you can take it from here".

:thumbsup:



Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on Mar 06, 08:06 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 25, 04:02 AM 2022
I tried to post a youtube video of the system examples but keep getting a blocked message saying I'm using forbidden language.

Post links without 'ht tps:/ /ww w'
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on Mar 06, 08:13 AM 2022
eg. youtube.com/watch?v=FF1hjJYuqXU
      youtu.be/FF1hjJYuqXU
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 07, 05:51 PM 2022
Proceeding with wins.



A win while betting 1 will result in profit, adjust bankroll and start new game.

A win while betting 2a could result in profit. If so, adjust bankroll and start new game.

A win while betting 2a could result in drawdown. If so, disregard drawdown and go to 2b.

A win while betting 2b could result in profit. If so, adjust bankroll and start new game.

A win while betting 2b could result in drawdown. If so, disregard drawdown and go to 4b. (skip 4a)

A win while betting 4a could result in profit. If so, adjust bankroll and start new game.

A win while betting 4a could result in drawdown. If so, disregard drawdown and go to 4b.

A win while betting 4b could result in profit. If so, adjust bankroll and start new game.

A win while betting 4b could result in drawdown. If so, adjust bankroll and go to progression stage 2.(skip 10)

A win while betting 10 could result in profit. If so, adjust bankroll and start new game.

A win while betting 10 could result in drawdown. If so, adjust bankroll and go to progression stage 2.


Progression stage 2:

2/4a
4b/8a
8b/20

If you get to stage 2 then the game is not cooperating with the triggers, so during this stage only change bets every 2nd trigger.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 07, 06:12 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 07, 05:51 PM 2022Progression stage 2:

2/4a
4b/8a
8b/20

If you get to stage 2 then the game is not cooperating with the triggers, so during this stage only change bets every 2nd trigger.


Forgot to mention, once betting stage 2 remain at stage 2 until new bankroll high or stage 2 progression bust.

Once achieving new bankroll high, return to stage 1. If stage 2 progression bust, go to stage 3.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 07, 07:25 PM 2022

Another thing, any break even situation is treated as a loss.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 11, 03:25 AM 2022
I'm going to post sessions on Rsim for those who are interested in learning the system.

In these videos you can see the system in action. I'll be playing each session for 100 units profit.


youtube.com/watch?v=kLZeUOggTJA
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 11, 06:32 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 11, 03:25 AM 2022
I'm going to post sessions on Rsim for those who are interested in learning the system.

In these videos you can see the system in action. I'll be playing each session for 100 units profit.


youtube.com/watch?v=kLZeUOggTJA

looks good, but are spins data onRSM random generated ? or they are real tables spins?

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 11, 05:59 PM 2022
Rsim uses rng. That's good enough for learning & practice.

The system is designed for arena play with real wheel spins.

At some point I'll video some sessions using real wheel spins. You can even send me your own spins if you want.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 03:00 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 11, 05:59 PM 2022
Rsim uses rng. That's good enough for learning & practice.

The system is designed for arena play with real wheel spins.

At some point I'll video some sessions using real wheel spins. You can even send me your own spins if you want.


So your system can beat randomness ?
Well that’s something difficult to believe, isn’t it ?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 12, 06:03 AM 2022
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 03:00 AM 2022
So your system can beat randomness ?

Well that's the idea, isn't it?

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 03:00 AM 2022
Well that’s something difficult to believe, isn’t it ?

What's difficult to believe is that I shared it openly on a public forum.

Anyway let's see where it goes, no hurry at all. And people can tweak it or do with it as they want. I just hope no scumbag scammers pick it up and try to sell it as their own work; a very real risk I suppose. Oh well, that's out of my hands now, and I won't lose any sleep.

In the end, as Nathan Detroit  says, play at your own risk.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 12, 10:31 PM 2022

Easy session again, briefly moving into stage 2.

youtu.be/a_C1aC11efM
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Toimeme on Mar 13, 03:21 PM 2022
Bonjour Taotie,
Merci pour le partage de ton système. Je suis très intéressée et j'essaie de m'en servir.

J'ai bien compris les premières conditions pour parier mais pas la suite.
Que faire quand on ne gagne pas le 1er coup? On continue avec les mêmes numeros et on attaque de suite la progression ?
Et une fois qu'on gagne, on recommence depuis le début ou on continue avec les mêmes numeros ?

Merci d'avance de ta réponse.

Désolé pour la langue, je suis français mais avec l'outil traduction ça passe pas mal.
À bientôt
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 14, 12:03 AM 2022

BTW, the only reason the system in these video sessions waits 5 or more spins at the start is because it's building the EC filter, then betting the most recent repeat. In real casino play there would already be spins on the board, so no need to wait. In real play you just kick off with the most recent repeat and bet non-stop. You are never actually waiting for 'triggers'.

Here's a session that reached stage 3, though never in any trouble of reaching the 100 unit test target.

FYI stage 3 is betting,

4/8a
8b/16a
16b/40

In stage 3, change the bet on every new repeat.


youtu.be/22QMwrtSA_4

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 14, 12:43 AM 2022
Another game reaching stage 3, but only for 10 spins near the end. The last spin is at new bankroll high and betting stage 1, then test target reached.

Don't forget, remain on any current stage until new bankroll high, in which case return to stage 1 or stop at win goal. And any stage progression end moves up a stage.


youtu.be/DC6bY8fPSkU
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: algojack on Mar 17, 09:41 AM 2022
Taotie,

Thanks for completing the system details. To date, what's the largest drawdown you've experienced?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 19, 04:07 AM 2022
My biggest drawdown to date is about 1300, but I haven't actually lost a session yet, so that figure could be unreliable. When I do eventually lose a session I expect you could possibly double that. It's hard to tell because you could lose a session and be close to where you started, or you could lose a session and be in some trouble. If you do the math, an absolute worst case scenario where you bet every round to max drawdown and never get a single win the loss would be 5635 units.

The system has 3 more stages that are not often needed and not yet disclosed.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 19, 12:31 PM 2022
Taotie
are you going public with BillionLoudspeak on R-sim; so we can see the graph
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 20, 10:06 PM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 19, 12:31 PM 2022
Taotie
are you going public with BillionLoudspeak on R-sim; so we can see the graph

Not planning on that anytime soon. I'll decide once I've reached 100 played sessions.


Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: airball1022 on Mar 21, 07:14 AM 2022
Dear Roulette Players,

I read this website for many years and lot of users are using lot of time to discuss on each topic every day. Why don't we think differently to identify whom really has a winning system?
I believe the winning system can't be coded or computerized. Only the brain can adjust the winning numbers accordingly. 
Most of people in here said, they found the system. But no one yet break the algorithm. Therefore, I call for system admin to make the competition among users in this website whom want to say found the system; If the real person with winning system can identify; others can listen or follow him rather than wasting time and money for useless.
The way of competition:
Admin need to attend for this or another volunteer. 
Give 25 or more examples at least 6 numbers of the history by admin/volunteer to predict the winning number within next 4 spins. (depends on others ideas, but max within 6 spins). Take these target numbers from many various roulette games. (online, real, airball etc)
Users can give max 12 numbers for each set of prediction.
Who has accurate winning numbers may has good winning system.

BR
Airball


Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 21, 07:30 AM 2022
Is that 100 winning sessions or showing losses as well
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 21, 08:50 PM 2022
Notto, I hope it's 100 winning sessions.

Even though my games were full of silly mistakes, I was at 30 winning sessions then made a fatal mouse click error.

I was betting 16 units and won. Next bet was back to 4 units but I didn't double click the bet changer properly and mistakenly ended up adding 4 to the 16. I wasn't paying attention and clicked spin before noticing the bet was 164 units on 10 numbers. It lost. That was the last straw for mistakes, so I spat the dummy and did a reset.

I'm still making mistakes here and there but will try my hardest not to make any more fatal errors like that.

Currently back up to 50 played sessions with 50 wins, half way home. It's a shame, I should have been at 80.

If I do lose any sessions they will be in the graph.

Here's what the graph looks like now. Ignore the big hump near the start, that was another stupid mistake, but it went my way that time so I'll live with it. It was a winning session anyway, just should be less.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 22, 05:12 AM 2022

Here you go,
I had a day off today so played some games. Now at 61 x 100 unit target wins.



Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: ludo8400 on Mar 22, 09:50 AM 2022
What is a blend example?
Ludo84
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: ludo8400 on Mar 22, 09:52 AM 2022
@taotie
What is blend example?
Ludo8400
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Mister Eko on Mar 22, 01:15 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 21, 08:50 PM 2022
Notto, I hope it's 100 winning sessions.

Even though my games were full of silly mistakes, I was at 30 winning sessions then made a fatal mouse click error.

I was betting 16 units and won. Next bet was back to 4 units but I didn't double click the bet changer properly and mistakenly ended up adding 4 to the 16. I wasn't paying attention and clicked spin before noticing the bet was 164 units on 10 numbers. It lost. That was the last straw for mistakes, so I spat the dummy and did a reset.

I'm still making mistakes here and there but will try my hardest not to make any more fatal errors like that.

Currently back up to 50 played sessions with 50 wins, half way home. It's a shame, I should have been at 80.

If I do lose any sessions they will be in the graph.

Here's what the graph looks like now. Ignore the big hump near the start, that was another stupid mistake, but it went my way that time so I'll live with it. It was a winning session anyway, just should be less.

You immediately reseted, when you made a mistake, but it was a loss, but you did not reset when you made again a mistake, but you won.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: alexlaf on Mar 22, 02:36 PM 2022
Blend=Finale+Base
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 22, 04:25 PM 2022
Quote from: Mister Eko on Mar 22, 01:15 PM 2022You immediately reseted, when you made a mistake, but it was a loss, but you did not reset when you made again a mistake, but you won.

It wasn't a loss it was a mistake. And the one I kept was a win without the mistake.

Once I reach 101 winning sessions I will reset the whole thing just for you.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Mar 22, 04:27 PM 2022
Quote from: ludo8400 on Mar 22, 09:52 AM 2022@taotie
What is blend example?
Ludo8400


Blend Example: 5,6,12,27,11. Repeat Blend (12,11)

12 is Finale 2 Base 3. 11 is Finale 1 Base 2. The repeat is Finale 2/Base 2

Whole bet is (1,2,3),11,12,13,21,22,23,31,32,33
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Mar 28, 12:16 PM 2022
Any news, good or bad
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 01, 11:56 AM 2022
Taotie or is it Bombus? Jono a fellow countryman of yours has shown me many graphs of winning 100 plus games.
This is just taking 1st profit; betting for repeats.
Have you managed to get BillionLoudspeak to 100 games no loss?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 02, 03:04 AM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 01, 11:56 AM 2022Have you managed to get BillionLoudspeak to 100 games no loss?

No. Lost game 78. I'll post the graph and data when I reach 101 played games.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 02, 04:26 AM 2022
That’s a barstard losing that game.
Not to worry In the KTF topic; it won 99 games and then lost the 100th.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 02, 04:31 AM 2022
Off topic, I watched Aussie superbikes the other day, Phillip Island. Nice crash for; is it Halliday, no:1 bike.
MotoGP what a fuck up over Argentina.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 03, 09:56 AM 2022
Taotie
I said Jono has shown many graphs of 100 games no loss.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 04, 03:08 AM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 02, 04:26 AM 2022That’s a barstard losing that game.

The losing game was a marathon of 781 spins, and there was a first profit of 17 units early on. If I was playing for 'first profit' as per Johno's test sessions then it wins. My test sessions are set up to win 100 units minimum, so I played the whole marathon because I want to show the extremes of the system. In the real world no one would play through that many spins, and there were many opportunities to stop along the way with minimal drawdown, but that would not be helpful for this demonstration.


Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 03, 09:56 AM 2022Taotie
I said Jono has shown many graphs of 100 games no loss.

Playing for 1st profit is a completely different kettle of fish. Once I finish this set of 100 I will do another 100 playing for 1st profit to see what happens. It will be much quicker that's for sure.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 13, 06:31 AM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 11, 08:47 AM 2022
Remember taotie is trying for 100 sessions of +100 units and it lost :lol:
That's all :thumbsup:

I have finished the 101 sessions trying for +100 units. Yes the system lost 1 session. The trial ended with a profit of 9643 units, not quite the LOSS Notto would have you believe.

The single losing session was a bloody marathon of 781 spins, not fit for human consumption. No excuses there though, it got beat that time.

Anyway I have made the BillionLoudspeak account public. Check it out if you want, and ask any questions if you have them.

I'm also doing a 100 sessions stop at first profit trial, results should be in soon.


roulette-simulator.info/profile/



Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 13, 07:44 AM 2022
Only 3 unit profit on a game. Bit short for 103 spins.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 13, 07:57 AM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 13, 07:44 AM 2022
Only 3 unit profit on a game. Bit short for 103 spins.

Yes, I was called away from that game for a family emergency (since buried), so bite me. That's why I did 101 sessions instead of 100,.. pos dickhead.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 13, 04:32 PM 2022
Ok shit for brains
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 13, 09:01 PM 2022
"roulette-simulator.info/profile/"
That link didn't work.

Go to the highscores page then search user BillionLoudspeak

roulette-simulator.info/en/highscores
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on Apr 14, 01:11 AM 2022
Since you are playing as the 8u base unit, or since at points you are using 6u/spin ..
making +100u normalizes to making +12.5 or perhaps +16.7u respectively at 1u base play.

What's the overall avg profit/spin ratio, normalized?
What's the overall avg in spin to reach the 100u goal?
What's the highest drawdown less the pronounced lost game, normalized?

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 16, 12:42 AM 2022
Quote from: TRD on Apr 14, 01:11 AM 2022

What's the overall avg profit/spin ratio, normalized?

About 24/9

Quote from: TRD on Apr 14, 01:11 AM 2022What's the overall avg in spin to reach the 100u goal?

About 42

Quote from: TRD on Apr 14, 01:11 AM 2022What's the highest drawdown less the pronounced lost game, normalized?

About 2950
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 16, 01:02 AM 2022
Ok, not much interest and even less feedback for this system. I hope anyone looking at the BillionLoudspeak public account discovered something useful. I will very soon put the account back on private and reset the record. The next effort will be playing 100 games for 1st profit.

That should be easy enough given the strength of this system, but we will see.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 16, 09:39 PM 2022
Here you go notto. 100 wins in a row going for 1st profit, as easy as pie. End profit was 2645 units.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Apr 17, 12:06 AM 2022
Next I will try for 100 games of 100 units profit, but this time starting a new game after each 1st profit. To do that I simply need to drop the current bet after profit, update the bankroll, and start betting again with the next new repeat.

This time I will make the BillionLoudspeak account public for the duration.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 17, 02:24 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Apr 16, 09:39 PM 2022
Here you go notto. 100 wins in a row going for 1st profit, as easy as pie. End profit was 2645 units.

Wow brown snake did it. Still poison thou.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on Apr 25, 01:52 AM 2022
See pm.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 05, 07:23 PM 2022
Here you go, 200 winning sessions in a row going for first profit, no losses.

Total earned, 5013 units.

It might take a while, but I'll try and get this to 1000 sessions in a row without a loss.

I'm also still going for another 100 sessions trying for 100 units each session, I'll post that result eventually.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on May 06, 01:45 AM 2022
Good work, now you can play the big game with 5000 BR and use a slightly bigger unit.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 07, 07:21 AM 2022
Nah, I'll keep using the same stake level all the way for this one. Profit and bankroll are not so important here.

I will use the big game from here though, for safety net if needed.


Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: roulettefan on May 15, 02:17 PM 2022
 O0 ping
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 15, 04:30 PM 2022
@Taotie .. how its going?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 16, 01:31 AM 2022
Quote from: TRD on May 15, 04:30 PM 2022
@Taotie .. how its going?

TRD, I've been busy so not making huge progress. I have several tests still in motion, but here you go...

300 winning sessions in a row going for first profit, no losses!

For those interested I am using my Rsim 'Street Party' account for this test. This account was set up for an experimental street bet, but I decided to use it for this instead. The first reset was with the street bets, the second reset was to clear the board for this test.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 16, 01:48 AM 2022
Set the account as public.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 17, 05:21 AM 2022
You say what?

Oh I see, you would like me to make the account public but you don't know how to ask nice.  :thumbsup:

I hope to eventually make it public when I reach 1000 winning sessions (no losses), if that ever happens.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 24, 08:02 PM 2022
Well what do you know?

Now at 400 winning sessions in a row, no losses. Bankroll is 10,469
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 25, 06:23 AM 2022
bu is?

I see about on average ≈70 games till first profit (or sessions as you call it),
to make 2000u.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 25, 06:38 AM 2022
The average units per session is currently 26.
2000u takes 77 games.

I haven't calculated the average session length yet, but I'm thinking it will be somewhere around 14 spins.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 25, 06:47 AM 2022
 & the games' max exposition & length is ..(see pm).
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 25, 11:13 PM 2022
I've had several requests to make the Rsim 'Street Party' account public, so I've decided I will put it up for viewing for a few days.

I was going to wait until I reached 1000 played games, but I'll do it now for while.

When I do get to 1000 games I'll make it permanently public.

Be aware many games are peppered with silly mistakes, sometimes several. One session I forgot I was going for 1st profit and played on until I reaches 100 units (which is another test). Sometimes I'll miss a number or forget to increase the bet, or miss a new repeater, etc. All in all though, these little errors have minimal impact on the game results. The system is always changing up the bets, so mistakes don't last long in the scheme of things.

There is one game, 72 I think, where the game froze after my first bet loss of 7 units. The wheel kept spinning around for about 15 minutes so I closed the browser and it logged the game with a 7 unit loss. I should have tried saving the score then continuing the game but didn't.

Remember, 'Street Party' is only a test for 1st profit performance. What it shows is that the system in current form can recover from almost any random outliers. I have three other tests running simultaneously to this. Pure flat bet, 100 unit goal with trigger purge on new highs, and 10,000 continuous spins session with trigger purge every new high for every progression level reached along the way.

It's gonna take me ages... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 25, 11:32 PM 2022
I've just been over the thread and realise I have yet to disclose the complete progression list.

I'll put it here for now.

I'll have to write up how to proceed through the progression chain, so I'll post that when it's done.


Progression Stage 1.

1/2
2/4
4/10

Stage 2.

2/4
4/8
8/20

Stage 3.

4/8
8/16
16/40

Stage 4.

6/12
12/24
24/60

Stage 5.

8/16
16/32
32/80

Stage 6.

10/20
20/40
40/100
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 26, 12:11 AM 2022
The process is simple. The goal is a new bankroll high.

The chain moves three steps forward one step back until win goal reached or stage 6 complete. The progression remains on each  step while winning, only moving forward with a loss. For example, if you reach 2Three2, you stay on 2Three2 for as long as it keeps winning, either until new bankroll high. Or a loss, in which case you move to 2Four1. Then remain on 2Four1 for as long as it keeps winning, either until new bankroll high. Or a loss, in which case you move to 3Three1, etc.

1,2,3,2,3,4,3,4,5,4,5,6

This gives four lines of play each with three progression steps. On the first & third step of each line the bet changes with every new repeater (shown ending with 1). On the second step of each line the bet only changes with every second new repeater (shown ending with 2). You don't have to do this, but I think it helps.


Line 1)  1One1  1Two2  1Three1
Line 2)  2Two1  2Three2  2Four1
Line 3)  3Three1  3Four2  3Five1
Line 4)  4 Four1  4Five2  4Six1


Looking at the four lines of betting above, you can see that in a lengthy session with a really bad varience the bulk of betting occurs with progression stages Three & Four. Those stages are the mid way point for the whole progression chain, which is how it should be when using up as you lose type progressions.


Done.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: alexlaf on May 26, 09:35 AM 2022
Are the steps ok TAOTIE!!!
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 01:36 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on May 25, 11:13 PM 2022The wheel kept spinning around for about 15 minutes so I closed the browser and it logged the game with a 7 unit loss. I should have tried saving the score then continuing the game but didn't.

sometimes the tab itself gets fucked up .. which is in itself an instance of browser = independent modules
â†' refresh, or alternatively copy the link into a newly opened tab (to reset the underlying code/cache)
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 01:39 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on May 25, 11:13 PM 2022What it shows is that the system in current form can recover from almost any random outliers.

√

keeping the game  in control
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 02:34 PM 2022
I know that you are still in another stage of system development;

nonetheless 'game length' reduction
(applicable to the longer/st games, others take care of themselves) ..

of how the system credit points are distributed amongst the three,
to assemble the best & most balanced recursion point = barycenter, centroid

triangular & recursive system parameters --
(avg &) max exposition .. (avg & ) max length .. avg profit/spin ratio


≈ similar to this Fallout game character build, distribution of credits
[strenght, perception, endurance, charisma, intelligence, agility, luck]
(link:s://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/938320481066129946/2FE99E00AA6CB9131ADB72143AAB180D92AC06AB/)
(link:://%5Bimg%5Dlink:s://preview.redd.it/14act7bhvnaz.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d8e2f28c61e1e85dcc0e30fbf08a6d71c983fbb5)
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 03:44 PM 2022
(link:s://i.redd.it/14act7bhvnaz.jpg)
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 04:01 PM 2022
Just for the sake of (having perspective)


3.78u/group = 1 base unit ← normalization
3.89u

for precision .. although it can be rounded up to ≈
                 4u = 1 base unit

===========================

[with zero]
7 x 4 numbers
2 x 3 numbers
.... 34/9 = 3.77777778

[without zero included in groups]
6 x 4
3 x 3
.... 35/9 = 3.888888889

===========================


thereof;
it can be said about 4u = 1 position ..
that then expands to 2-3 positions horizontally
(in horizontal progression dimension)


Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 05:38 PM 2022
If I can suggest something ..

(link:s://i.ibb.co/TkD02yS/Screenshot-20220526-234404-Browser.jpg) (link:s://ibb.co/nbq1mpv)

I think;
that you are raising vertically much too soon .. meanwhile you can have much more controlled descent ..

ie.
see spin35, still playing at  2 units (let's say situationally vertically flat),
then at spin36, doubling the base unit vertically to 4u
.. which impacts the exposition increase rate drastically

what I am getting at here, is that the above doesn't offer you any real advantage in case of hit ..


spin34 .. 4930 (-24)  .. 2u
spin35 .. 4906 (-48)  .. 4u
spin36 .. 4858 (-48)     â†"
spin37 .. 4810 (-48)
spin38 .. 4762 (-48)  .. 4u
spin39 .. 4858 (+96)  .. 8u
spin40 .. 5050 (+192)   .. 8u,  or 50/4≈  +12.5u normalized profit
                                                                               at max exposition of (-238)or (-59.5) normalized


.. meanwhile continuing to play at the same unit amount vertically onwards
a) in case of hit --it brings the exposition pretty much at the same exposition level as the above
b) in case of no-hit -- it offers you a much better 'base' for postponed vertical increase
    (or what is really necessary the game asks of you for ..)


spin34 .. 4930 (-24)  .. 2u
spin35 .. 4906 (-24)  .. 2u
spin36 .. 4882 (-24)     â†"
spin37 .. 4858 (-24)
spin38 .. 4834 (-24)  .. 2u
spin39 .. 4858 (+24)  .. 2u    (here games requires 142 to (±0) .. 146 to profit (+1u norm.)
•  spin40 .. 5002 (+144)  .. 6u/position @12 SU position, or 3u/pos normalized
                                                         so still normalized units away, where EC 4u would bring in +
•  spin40 .. 5026  (+168)  ..  7u/position, or 26/4≈ +4u normalized profit
                                                          at max exposition of  (-166) or (-41.5) normalized ..
                                        at same game length of 40 spins& 0.302 â†'30.2% exposition improvement



.. which is a much better 'base' for those much longer rarer games ..50 -80 -100 spins,
& especially those +100, even more so on those of +200 spins (the most extreme)
                                                                                 

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 05:50 PM 2022

to put it in the larger context

   .. & thus decreases the vertical increase rate ≈volatility rate by much ..
   (very important for long/extreme games' self-created impact on the triangle or
   paramount performance system parameters -- exposition, length â†' u/spin profit ratio)

   .. thus also by decreasing ultimately minimizing the max exposition, & length parameters,
      & thus improving the total average performance parameters as well

â†'  minimizing the bankroll requirement â†' maximizing the compounding effect in the longest run
                                                                                                               (bu increase)
             


that's for my insight, back to you ..
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 06:23 PM 2022
Correction

Quote from: TRD on May 26, 05:38 PM 2022spin34 .. 4930 (-24)  .. 2u
spin35 .. 4906 (-48)  .. 4u
spin36 .. 4858 (-48)     â†"
spin37 .. 4810 (-48)
spin38 .. 4762 (-48)  .. 4u
spin39 .. 4858 (+96)  .. 8u
spin40 .. 5050 (+192)   .. 8u,  or 50/4≈  +12.5u normalized profit
                                                                               at max exposition of (-238)or (-59.5) normalized


.. meanwhile continuing to play at the same unit amount vertically onwards
a) in case of hit --it brings the exposition pretty much at the same exposition level as the above
b) in case of no-hit -- it offers you a much better 'base' for postponed vertical increase
    (or what is really necessary the game asks of you for ..)


spin34 .. 4930 (-24)  .. 2u
spin35 .. 4906 (-24)  .. 2u
spin36 .. 4882 (-24)     â†"
spin37 .. 4858 (-24)
spin38 .. 4834 (-24)  .. 2u
spin39 .. 4858 (+24)  .. 2u    (here games requires 142 to (±0) .. 146 to profit (+1u norm.)
•  spin40 .. 5002 (+144)  .. 6u/position @12 SU position, or 3u/pos normalized
                                                         so still normalized units away, where EC 4u would bring in +
•  spin40 .. 5026  (+168)  ..  7u/position, or 26/4≈ +4u normalized profit
                                                          at max exposition of  (-166) or (-41.5) normalized ..
                                        at same game length of 40 spins& 0.302 â†'30.2% exposition improvement
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 26, 06:44 PM 2022

controlled descent ..

(link:s://i.ibb.co/0YKrQRR/i-Markup-20220527-004138.jpg) (link:s://ibb.co/CV6QW33)
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 26, 09:59 PM 2022
Quote from: alexlaf on May 26, 09:35 AM 2022
Are the steps ok TAOTIE!!!

Alexlaf, your numbers would play like this...


5
11
4
25
14     bet here 4,5,7,14,15,17
4       Win  +30.  bet again 4,5,7,14,15,17
9       Lose -6.   bet again 4,5,7,14,15,17
35     Lose -6.  bet here 4,5,8,14,15,18,24,25,28,34,35
8       Win +25. bet again 4,5,8,14,15,18,24,25,28,34,35
35     Win +25. bet here 5,8,15,28,35
15     Win +31

Total profit = +99
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on May 27, 06:27 PM 2022
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Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: mohitomish on May 28, 04:59 AM 2022
@normy or anybody else, is it possible to create software for this system or like an excel spreadsheet?

Thank You
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: mohitomish on May 30, 12:03 PM 2022
Hi Taotie,

What is the total bankroll u wud recommend for this?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on May 30, 12:24 PM 2022
Quote from: TRD on May 26, 06:44 PM 2022
controlled descent ..
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 01, 09:30 AM 2022
Quote from: mohitomish on May 30, 12:03 PM 2022
Hi Taotie,

What is the total bankroll u wud recommend for this?

I recommend 5000 unit bankroll, I prefer more. If you are ever behind beyond 8000 units then consider running away and forgetting you ever heard of Taotie and his Bonkers Outside The Box System.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 03, 05:07 AM 2022
Quote from: mohitomish on May 28, 04:59 AM 2022@normy or anybody else, is it possible to create software for this system or like an excel spreadsheet?

I'm currently having a go at this myself, but anyone else trying to code the system will more than likely need my input. I'm happy to help, just ask.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: d80 on Jun 03, 03:20 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 03, 05:07 AM 2022
I'm currently having a go at this myself, but anyone else trying to code the system will more than likely need my input. I'm happy to help, just ask.

I can try make the system.See pm.I sent to you.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 04, 03:45 AM 2022
Now finished 500 games in a row, all winners. Half way to 1000....see you there!  8)
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 04, 03:54 AM 2022

Quote from: d80 on Jun 03, 03:20 PM 2022
I can try make the system.See pm.I sent to you.

Hey D80 Thanks for the offer, I will keep it in mind. For now I'm going to keep trying to nut it out myself. I've made some good progress so am confident I can get it done.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: d80 on Jun 04, 01:07 PM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 04, 03:54 AM 2022
Hey D80 Thanks for the offer, I will keep it in mind. For now I'm going to keep trying to nut it out myself. I've made some good progress so am confident I can get it done.

Ok Taotie.The strategy still have the same rules or do you have modified some rules still not posted here at forum?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 04, 07:34 PM 2022
Strategy the same and all rules posted.
Just tweaking around to find the best way to start & stop sessions.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 17, 03:49 AM 2022
So here we are again, at 600 this time.  :)
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 17, 03:52 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 17, 03:49 AM 2022
So here we are again, at 600 this time.  :)

One question please
600 games are completed, ist that equivalent to exactly 600 spins ?
If not, how many spins (effectively played) does each game include ?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 17, 06:31 AM 2022
I don't know where you get exactly 600 spins?

If I could win 600 bets in a row my name would be Spike, not Taotie.  ;D

Then again, Spike would only have 600 units and I have 15k units.  :thumbsup:

I haven't run the numbers lately but I think the average number of played spins per game is around 14. That means this exercise is approaching 8500 played spins.

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 17, 07:34 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 17, 06:31 AM 2022
I don't know where you get exactly 600 spins?

If I could win 600 bets in a row my name would be Spike, not Taotie.  ;D

Then again, Spike would only have 600 units and I have 15k units.  :thumbsup:

I haven't run the numbers lately but I think the average number of played spins per game is around 14. That means this exercise is approaching 8500 played spins.


Fuc* that’s huge !
If system is still ahead after 8500 spins then I would definitely red flag it
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Mister Eko on Jun 17, 11:21 AM 2022
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 17, 07:34 AM 2022

Fuc* that’s huge !
If system is still ahead after 8500 spins then I would definitely red flag it

I am trying now one system, which is after 10k manually tested spins still ahead, but need to set the progression and not play mechanically. All mechanic shit dies sooner or little later. I need to optimise the rules, count the WL ratios plus set few things too to make a possible HG.

If anyone interested to test with me drop a mail
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 17, 04:16 PM 2022
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jun 17, 11:21 AM 2022
I am trying now one system, which is after 10k manually tested spins still ahead, but need to set the progression and not play mechanically. All mechanic shit dies sooner or little later. I need to optimise the rules, count the WL ratios plus set few things too to make a possible HG.

If anyone interested to test with me drop a mail

its all about the bets selection ... what and how many numbers are you betting?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Mister Eko on Jun 17, 05:10 PM 2022
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 17, 04:16 PM 2022
its all about the bets selection ... what and how many numbers are you betting?

3 streets (9 numbers), very rare 2 street+corner if i cover 0+123 corner....66% hit rate constantly over 10k spins in 4 spins
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 19, 07:57 AM 2022
Quote from: algojack on Feb 27, 04:16 AM 2022Folks, Bombus has been around for a long time (since the old VLS forum days) and knows how to create good systems.
Yeah, if he had a brain.
Look at the shite he's used on MPR
Hard shit for one.
I suppose like his mate Bleat-Bleat-Bleater, Purile comment now.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 19, 08:05 AM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 19, 07:57 AM 2022Purile comment now.

Puerile, the word is puerile.  :girl_to:
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 19, 11:21 AM 2022
Thanks CUNTY
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 20, 01:34 PM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 19, 11:21 AM 2022
Thanks CUNTY

Is this a comment from you after you drank your “ late night fat burning tea” ?  ^-^
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 23, 06:54 PM 2022
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 19, 07:57 AM 2022Yeah, if he had a brain.

700 winning games in a row without a single loss and with a bankroll from 0 to 17183. Not bad for no brains.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 24, 03:36 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 23, 06:54 PM 2022
700 winning games in a row without a single loss and with a bankroll from 0 to 17183. Not bad for no brains.

Come on dude !!!
Put it up for sale ….
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jun 24, 07:00 AM 2022
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 24, 03:36 AM 2022Come on dude !!!
Put it up for sale ….

Nothing for sale here, move along...
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: TRD on Jul 10, 06:01 PM 2022
1000?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Mister Eko on Jul 11, 03:16 AM 2022
Quote from: TRD on Jul 10, 06:01 PM 2022
1000?

My bid is 17.000$
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jul 11, 03:25 AM 2022
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jul 11, 03:16 AM 2022
My bid is 17.000$

Sold!

PM for wire transfer details.   :xd:
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Jul 11, 03:30 AM 2022
Quote from: TRD on Jul 10, 06:01 PM 2022
1000?

Not yet, still working towards.

Busy time for me right now and not much forum interest in this anyway, so I will finish the trial and post at the end.
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Mister Eko on Jul 11, 04:55 AM 2022
Quote from: Taotie on Jul 11, 03:30 AM 2022
Not yet, still working towards.

Busy time for me right now and not much forum interest in this anyway, so I will finish the trial and post at the end.

You will post here for free?
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Aug 24, 03:04 AM 2022
Hi, been a while. I managed to the finish 1001 games trying for 1st profit.


Sorry to report the excercise ended with 3 losses in the last 300 games. There were errors involved but I'm not going to make any excuses. The system tanked 3 times.

In the end it won 998 times with an overall profit of 8539 units.

You can see the 3 losses in red. The blue is not a loss, I forgot to hit 'big game' and went beyong 3k drawdown so had to make it up with next sessions, still pulled back and won.


Now I have switched it up with a minor tweak or two (explanation pending) and have reverted back to session goals of minimum 100 units. So far 41 sessions successful, no losses. Not resetting this time because 3000 units is not safe and makes things complicated.


I told youz it was a good system.


Anyway, I have made the account public again, so check it out. Best system in town, with no riddles and no one's asking for money! Haha!

Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Aug 24, 03:05 AM 2022
Quote from: Mister Eko on Jul 11, 04:55 AM 2022You will post here for free?

Already have, wake up!
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Herbyx on Aug 24, 04:14 AM 2022
Hi Taotie,
many thanks for the great stuff.
Surely you need no support.
But if (tweaks, permutations, obfuscating, ...) ... feel free ...

Herby
Title: Re: Bonkers Outside The Box System
Post by: Taotie on Oct 31, 05:16 AM 2022
Hello again, been a while.

What's that saying; If only I knew then what I know now?

I've been testing this method on Rsim for a while now and put in a good effort so far, leaving the profile set to public so people could check it out and watch the games if interested. Now Rsim has announced any account with any resets has been removed from public viewing. No more resets allowed.
The account I used was an old account set up to test a street betting idea, hence the name of the account Street Party. The account had 1 reset and a few more sessions played peppered with losses. I had long given up on the street bet idea, so I did a second reset to clear the slate for this system test.
I'm currently well over 1000 played sessions while trying a few different formats with the betting. Now that Rsim admin have moved the goal posts, my Street party account record is rendered unviewable.
Like I say, if only I knew then what I know now, I would have created a new account with no resets.
Oh well, life's a bitch.
For the record I have attached a screenshot of the account. Sadly the account will now be left lamenting. I will make a new account and start all over again....I'll keep you posted with new account details and results.street party over.jpg